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  No ID is meant for a sane audience. No ID may
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  contain Liberty oriented content. PINCO discretion
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  is advised. Now, here's no ID with Paul Banducci
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  and Scott Moskowitz. All right, here goes nothing.
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  It's no ID. Yes, no ID with Scott. And Paul.
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  There you go. Inaugural show now from our respective
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  compounds. And both of my fingers and both of
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  my toes are crossed. So Scott from the Post Falls
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  Compound. I'm Halen here from the Clark Fork
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  Castle. I hope you all are as excited about the
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  show as we are. We are very excited because I
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  think it took us a week and a half to figure
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  out the audio, Scott. Embarrassingly, yes. And
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  what's so pathetic about it is these are all
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  just a few button clicks. But it's just knowing
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  about which button to click and where to send
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  this audio source to this headset or out to this
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  feed. It's all just a bunch of settings that
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  just need to be clicked properly. And if I knew
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  what I was doing, the whole thing would have
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  taken about two and a half minutes. But instead,
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  it took like eight days. It turns out audio is
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  really, really complicated and really, really
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  simple. Who knew? And when I've done audio stuff
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  in the past, it's been hardware. It's been, you
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  know, a mixer board with, you know, potentiometer
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  sliders and XLR inputs and outputs. And you just,
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  I can see where the cable is going. I plug the
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  cable in and I drag it across the room and up
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  behind the desk and plug it into the other thing.
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  That made a lot of sense to me. Cable make noise.
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  I know, I felt like Zoolander, like I'm like
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  whacking the computer with a club. Like, it's
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  so simple. I actually used that meme. When describing
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  it to a family member yesterday, he works in
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  the video audio industry as well and I picked
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  his brain a little bit and Sent him that meme
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  so it's perfect also now is a great time to put
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  a call out if any of you guys happen to be audio
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  engineers that we could have on tap in case we
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  have more struggles the pay is terrible and We
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  are really bad bosses. Do we require a drug test?
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  No, no the opposite of a drug test. We don't
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  hire you unless you do drugs with us I'm hoping
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  that once we this is should be good. I mean,
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  this is not something that should change or require
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  maintenance. It should just now famous last words,
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  but this should just be the setup. So I'm hoping
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  we have a minimal need for our stoner audio tech.
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  But I guess you never know. So no, no, I think
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  this is why our dynamic works so well, though.
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  You're ever the pessimist, Scott. We're set up.
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  We're good to go. It's going to work now. There's
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  like a really fine line between pessimism and
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  realism, you know? Oh, yes, yes. Sometimes I
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  feel like I'm just being realist. Actually, my
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  mom used to call me a pessimist, and I said exactly
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  that to her. Well, not exactly, but close enough.
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  I said, I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. She
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  didn't buy it. The world keeps giving me feedback
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  that actually I'm not nearly pessimistic enough.
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  I have very little faith, and that's much too
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  much. At times I'm inclined to agree with you,
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  but here we are. What can we do, right? You know,
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  we're both men of faith, and I think a lot of
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  our audience are also people of faith. So, but
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  speaking of faith, last week the Sandpoint City
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  Council showed that once in a while, common sense
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  actually prevails. Barely. Barely. But it did
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  prevail. In North Idaho tonight, the city of
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  Sandpoint is looking to make some big changes
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  at tonight's City Council meeting, amending an
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  ordinance that's supposed to protect people from
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  discrimination. CREB 2's Christian Garza went
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  to Sandpoint to talk with city leaders, leaders,
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  leaders, leaders about what's on tonight's agenda.
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  in the north Idaho city o are set to be addressed
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  to the non discrimination ordinance more than
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  13 years ago, the quote unquote full b Amy Midstock,
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  one of the with the Sandpoint Allia says a change
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  of this magn effect community members t affect
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  the city's future. a much broader community as
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  by reversing or amending Republican. We really
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  run part of what brings vitali to our broader
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  community. Amending the ordinance no comes after
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  a lifeguard w told city officials, she changing
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  in the woman's lo Changing in the locker room
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  the the mainstream news speak What did they say
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  YMCA told city officials? She saw a trans woman
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  changing in the woman. She saw a guy Oh, those
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  are actually the words that the lifeguard used
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  that that is what caused the issue because it
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  was it was a Because it articles came out. So
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  before this vote took place There was already
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  hula blue going on and this vote happened fast
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  It all happened within the span of about a week
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  of this popping off. So I live up in Bonner County
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  And Sandpoint is the county seat of Bonner County.
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  It's kind of the one big city. It's a very blue
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  city. They're very proud of that, as you can
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  tell already. They're very proud of themselves
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  in general. It's an interesting place. And the
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  YMCA is where this happened. And it was a man
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  in the women's bathrooms. And the surrounding
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  area of Bonner County is pretty deep red. Most
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  people still have some common sense outside of
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  Sandpoint. them go into Sandpoint for things
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  like the YMCA. So at some point this was going
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  to be a problem and lo and behold a man uses
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  the women's bathroom and wouldn't you know it
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  some people don't like that so a lot of noise
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  was made about it. Fast forward a week after
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  that and the city council has to have this vote
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  because they realize a lawsuit is coming. Lawsuits
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  are coming. That's why they did it. So Sandpoint
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  was considered like a Oh, what do you call it
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  when you're harboring illegals and you're not
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  supposed to sanctuary? Yeah, you know, we live
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  in a weird time where everybody talks about the
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  letter of the law, but then depending on how
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  you feel about the law, you've got sanctuary
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  cities for illegal immigrants, you've got sanctuary
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  cities for gun rights. And now you have sanctuary
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  cities for men who want to dress up like women
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  and go to the women's bathroom. You know, I'm
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  thinking about it. I'm actually wondering why
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  the YMCA has even been allowed to continue being
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  called the Young Man's Christian Association.
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  Isn't that like racist and sexist? Shouldn't
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  it be the Young Person's Non -denominational
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  Association? Local YMCA told city officials she
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  saw a trans woman changing in the woman's locker
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  room back in mid -October. Sandpoint Mayor Jeremy
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  Grim says no formal complaint has been filed
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  with the city or the police department for the
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  situation. He clarifies that no complaint has
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  ever been formally filed since the ordinance.
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  was established back in 2012. What my ordinance
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  does quite simply is it just reflects state and
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  federal law. Under current Idaho state law, people
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  must use the bathrooms consistent with their
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  gender at birth at specific locations like schools
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  and other state run facilities. And while the
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  situation that started this conversation had
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  to deal with something that happened in a locker
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  room, Midstock says this ordinance is bigger
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  than that, not just for the LGBTQ plus community,
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  but for everybody there. Just to clarify. There
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  is no LGBT start up, down, left, right, start,
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  select community. Because if you talk to LGBT
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  people who do not agree philosophically with
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  the activist sect of the people who would refer
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  to themselves as LGBT, it becomes clear there
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  is no community. I've had many of these conversations.
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  These people don't speak on my behalf. They're
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  communist activists. They simply use the gay
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  thing to, and now all the other letters, they
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  hide behind it. And they use it to to sort of
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  bludgeon you into silence. And that's evidenced
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  by also a number of there's a lot of groups that
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  are like gays against groomers or gays against
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  trans movement, because imagine imagine being
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  a gay person. So we laugh about like we make
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  a lot of gay jokes on this podcast, you know,
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  get used to it. But ultimately, we also believe
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  that, you know, you do you boo just don't legislate
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  it down my throat. Come over for a gay time.
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  Oh, I will. But because I choose to not because
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  it's the law. So you like imagine being a gay
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  person now where you've worked since, you know,
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  I don't know, the 30s, 40s, 50s. And, you know,
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  people can be arrested for being gay. And then
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  you had the gay marriage fight. And then you
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  had all the all these different fights for essentially,
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  you know, equality. And you finally get there.
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  And after you get there in the early 2000s, it
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  takes less than a decade. For it to not matter
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  anymore because like what is the point if men
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  can be women and women can be men? Same thing
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  with feminism if you call yourself a feminist
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  What is even the point anymore if if anybody
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  can be whatever they feel in the moment if a
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  man can be a woman? Feminism is moot. What are
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  you doing? That's why there was never a T The
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  T was not a part of it originally was LGBT or
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  LG the T as soon as you added the T in the whole
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  thing became Oh, this whole thing is about commies
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  got it Midstock says this ordinance is bigger
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  than that, not just for the LGBTQ plus community,
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  but for everybody. It protects also people from
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  housing opportunities or for housing opportunities,
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  employment opportunities, receiving services,
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  using public facilities, et cetera, et cetera,
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  et cetera. So the reductionist idea that it really
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  is just about protecting people in locker rooms
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  is pretty my This, by the way, just to clarify,
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  that's from earlier. This is the lady from the
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  activist organization. She has like a nose ring
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  and she sounds like a miserable person. It's
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  the same. Does she have four names with hyphens?
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  What? Good question. What was it? It was Amy
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  Midstock, one of the board directors for equality
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  says a change of this magnitude. So ultimately,
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  the city council and the mayor met over it. And
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  this was, let's see, just a week. I think it
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  was just a week ago today. And the city council
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  voted three to three to roll back the non -discrimination
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  ordinance, which of course, you know, here we
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  are breaking down mainstream narrative. I love
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  how they call these things non -discrimination
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  ordinances, which at face value sounds like a
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  great thing, right? Because discrimination at
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  face value is bad. At least we're told it's bad.
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  But any time the non -discrimination is used
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  as a term anymore, really what it means is somebody
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  is getting discriminated against. It's just usually
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  whatever the out crowd is and of course now.
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  So which in this case tends to be white straight
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  Christians. They're the out crowd. So non -discrimination
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  just means you know get fucked you guys and everybody
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  else has the protection of the law behind them
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  and they can do what they want. So Sandpoint
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  had a very strong one in favor of the LBGTQ folks
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  and they had to roll it back. They realized there
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  was an issue. There hasn't been official complaints
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  yet, but they knew it was coming with the advent
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  of this YMCA issue. Let me clarify. That wasn't
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  just it like maybe you meet this is what you
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  mean by rolled back. It wasn't eliminated. My
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  understanding is that it was just the language
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  about people confused about what sex they are.
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  Those are no longer like the protected class
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  that they were as far as the statute goes. Well,
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  and it also it was specifically pertained to
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  so you're right Thank you for making sure we
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  explained when I say roll back when I say roll
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  back I mean bring it in alignment with the current
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  state law Which is in alignment, I think with
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  federal law, but I'm not actually sure about
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  that I just know that Sam what Sam point did
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  last week was to take their ordinance and realign
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  it so that it matches Idaho state law and the
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  only thing that changed which was is the gent
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  the The gender confused or whatever the hell
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  term they use just those persons are not Must
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  use a bathroom that is consistent with your gender
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  at birth. So the gender you've been us that you
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  You know, they clearly were... You almost said
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  assigned. Did you hear that? You almost said
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  assigned. You see how effective the propaganda
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  is? Well, it sucks because assigned actually
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  is the proper term. You are assigned it, but
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  you're assigned it based on immutable biological
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  characteristics. By God, yes. For shame, I know,
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  the very fucking idea. Oh, look, there's a wiener.
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  It's a boy. Who knew? Whoa. What do we put on
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  his birth certificate? Mail. Fast forward to,
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  you know, 40 years later, and this dude with
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  a wiener is in the women's locker room in the
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  YMCA. And we're the crazy ones for going, Hey,
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  you shouldn't do that. So state law in Idaho
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  says you shouldn't you can't do that, because
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  we should protect women from psychologically
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  disturbed men, and vice versa. And like even
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  for my son, if it was the other way around, like
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  I don't want my 11 year old son. You know, he's
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  doing in the locker room and we're playing sports
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  or doing the thing. And, you know, that's a that's
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  a place for for the boys. You know, and all of
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  a sudden some chick walks or some chick who thinks
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  she's a man walks in. What the hell is my poor
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  11 year old kid supposed to try and figure out
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  and do? What do you how do you navigate that
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  situation? The only situation where I find myself
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  in the bathroom with a woman and I know what
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  to do is when it's my wife. I'm thinking back
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  to the movie Porky's, the the famous like early
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  80s. sex comedy. It might have been a little
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  before your time. I don't know if you've ever
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  seen it. I've only ever seen the one scene from
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  it. that matters, which is the part where all
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  the teenage boys have discovered the little people,
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  you know, there's like a hole in the drywall,
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  whatever, and they've discovered the people into
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  the women's locker room. And it's it's an 80s
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  sex comedy. So it's just a reason to have full
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  frontal nudity for like seven consecutive minutes,
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  you know, as part of the movie. That was back
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  when they had movies that were rated PG. But
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  now they would be are. Yeah. Yeah. An airplane,
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  the lady shaking her boobies around like airplane
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  PG suitable for five year olds. Yeah. But great
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  is uh imagine like the notion of going back and
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  being like hey actually you don't need to be
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  like crouched in the crawl space peeking through
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  this hole in the sheetrock you can actually just
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  march right in there and be like no i'm a i'm
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  a chick i'm just here to shower with you guys
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  we're almost done by the way with this let's
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  just finish this real quick really it's just
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  about protecting people in locker rooms is pretty
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  myopic and narrow. Mayor Grim argues it isn't
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  the city's place to decide on topics being discussed
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  on a state and federal level. We're never going
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  to solve this locally. There is a great chasm
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  between beliefs on this issue, and I think it's
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  best settled in the courts. So Grim, to his credit,
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  has probably been one of the least maniacal and
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  crazy mayors that Sandpoint has had in a long
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  time. And I'm not just saying that because I
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  agree with what he did here. His track record
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  shows that he's about 50 -50, 50 -crazy, 50 -not.
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  And that bar is pretty low. That's fantastic
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  for a Sandpoint mayor. Credit where credit is
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  due. When he gets it wrong, I'm going to nail
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  him for it when he gets it wrong. In this case,
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  he actually got it right. But it was less about
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  what he, I think, personally believes and more
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  about covering the city's ass. And that's fair,
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  too, because you've got to... Covering the city's
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  ass means you're covering the taxpayers' ass,
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  too. Because the moment a lawsuit hits or a complaint
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  hits, now the taxpayer is on the hook for all
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  of that. And it was coming. Also, smart of him
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  to recognize that it is a federal issue that's
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  being fought. It's a state issue that's being
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  fought. Why on God's green earth embroil the
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  city in another fight when Sandpoint already
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  is in plenty of fights because of how leftist
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  they are. They already fight the rest of the
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  county. They already fight the majority of the
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  state. And it's expensive and time consuming.
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  This one was not worth planting the flag dying
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  on the hill and grim knew it and that's what
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  a lot of the lefties in town are super upset
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  about is because to them This is the hill to
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  die on mayor grim and mayor grim and three city
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  councilmembers understood This was not the hill
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  to die on I mean everything kind of strikes me
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  as a hill that they believe they should die on
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  their own name Exactly like name a hot -button
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  topic in the last 30 years that hasn't been the
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  end of the world if it passes slash doesn't pass
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  Ultimately, a lot of this is going to get reviewed
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  to in the next legislative session. There are
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  things winding their way to the Supreme Court
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  and is there's rumblings that the legislature
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  legislature will take up some issues revolving
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  around this for this next legislative session
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  as well. So summer like winter, spring, summer
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  of twenty twenty six will reveal a lot about
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  how this progresses and develops. So that's another
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  thing that, again, smartly Mayor Graham and other
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  city council members understand it's already
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  winding its way through the works. Why prematurely
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  die on this hill when you don't know what state
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  law is going to look like in six months? Speaking
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  of potential screw -ups of the state that may
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  or may not cost the taxpayers money. A male hunter
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  dies after becoming stranded in heavy snow while
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  hunting near Clarkia. That's according to the
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  Shoshone County Sheriff's Office. They say a
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  male and female's pickup truck got stuck in the
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  snow while out hunting. Both hunters then attempted
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  to walk out of the area, but the male hunter
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  died on that walk Now I'm not really sure why
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  they're playing this like it's like the opening
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  credits for for airbud or something like it's
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  very sort of upbeat 90s I don't know why this
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  is the music bed they chose but here we are walk
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  out of the area But the male hunter died on that
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  walk the female hunter remained with them until
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  they were found by family members Music is exactly
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  the music you play so the people think Wow, that's
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  really sad. Better him than me. I say, like,
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  speaking of lawsuits that might cost the taxpayers,
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  this just happened. And I don't know that there's
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  going to be any lawsuit brought. But I have seen
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  a lot of public questioning about the sheriff
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  not deploying search and rescue and then this
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  guy dying. But wasn't it sort of a confusing
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  story? Wasn't they weren't they only gone like
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  less than 24 hours and this guy passed? Do you
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  have any sense of what happened here? Not a whole
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  lot more than you. I've got a couple of other
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  fragments of information, but I didn't dive too
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  deep into it because I thought it was going to
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  sound paradoxical, I guess. But I thought it
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  was too odd. Didn't make much sense. And I wasn't
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  actually interested in trying to parse it out
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  because I thought this is more is going to come
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  out of this. And I'm going to read about it when
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  the picture is more complete. But there is a
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  lot of hand -wringing and the Shoshone County
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  Sheriff is in hot water. I think it is revolving
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  around his department's response or lack thereof.
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  Although I think specifically it was the timing
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  of it, like how long it took them to make a response.
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  But to your point, the timing of the or the amount
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  of time that the lost hunters were out there.
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  Now, it's easy to sit here in my warm house and
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  say it wasn't very long because, you know, when
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  you're cold and you're lost and you're scared,
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  you know, in hours. is forever but you know it
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  was like a day it was less than a day which is
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  a long time when you're having trouble man and
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  you know i get that so there's some there's some
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  hot water being boiled up and i think at some
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  point somebody's going to be made an example
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  of i thought i saw that he is the sherson county
• 19:45
  sheriff is resigning or has been fired ye of
• 19:49
  little faith you think i'm not prepared Well,
• 19:51
  new tonight, the Shoshone County Interim Sheriff
• 19:53
  Lance Sutsky has resigned from the department
• 19:56
  the same day the new sheriff was sworn in. According
• 19:59
  to our partners at the Coeur d 'Alene Press,
• 20:03
  Sutsky said issues with the Shoshone County Board
• 20:06
  of Commissioners led him to the decision. Just
• 20:10
  quickly, just in case that blows right past you,
• 20:13
  when they say our partners at the Coeur d 'Alene
• 20:15
  Press, what they're telling you is that mainstream
• 20:18
  media all marches in lockstep. Commissioners
• 20:21
  led him to the decision. The department has faced
• 20:24
  multiple budget. cuts over the past few years.
• 20:27
  And just earlier this month, voters shot down
• 20:30
  a $2 million levy that would have made up for
• 20:34
  the lack of funding. Just days before that levy,
• 20:37
  former Sheriff Holly Lindsay abruptly stepped
• 20:39
  down from her position following a hit and run
• 20:41
  incident when she was driving a personal vehicle
• 20:44
  that remains under investigation tonight. Just
• 20:47
  a week after Lindsay resigned, longtime jail
• 20:50
  captain Eli Lopez stepped down, citing the same
• 20:53
  budget issues as. Just yesterday, the board elected
• 20:57
  Will Eddy as the next sheriff for Shoshone County.
• 21:00
  And he will be resigning in about 15 minutes.
• 21:04
  Either because of a traffic incident or because
• 21:07
  they don't have enough money. I guess that's
• 21:09
  the running theme in Shoshone. Okay, so it's
• 21:11
  like three points right off the bat. First off,
• 21:12
  to your point about media partners, mainstream
• 21:15
  media partners. That's what the AP is, like the
• 21:17
  Associated Press and all of the mainstream. Ta
• 21:21
  -da! We've cracked the code. You knew this. I
• 21:23
  knew this. Anybody who pays attention knows this.
• 21:25
  It's the Associated Press. Of course, they all
• 21:27
  run the same articles. Look up on YouTube, and
• 21:31
  they do it for TV networks as well. There's several
• 21:35
  videos on YouTube. I'm rabbit trailing hard,
• 21:37
  but in case you want to figure out how the Associated
• 21:39
  Press works and how TV affiliates work, there's
• 21:42
  a great YouTube video where they show... a thousand
• 21:45
  different networks saying the same message at
• 21:49
  the same time. And they put them all together
• 21:50
  in like this giant mosaic. This technology is
• 21:53
  a threat to our democracy. A threat to our democracy.
• 21:56
  This technology is a threat to our democracy.
• 21:58
  Yep. Yep. So anyways, more than more, you know.
• 22:02
  As for Shoshone County. Yes. I'm prepared, baby.
• 22:08
  I told you I love you today. Oh, for the record,
• 22:10
  I don't have my soundboard ready today. I will,
• 22:13
  though, for the next podcast. Just you wait.
• 22:15
  It's gonna be great. I just didn't get around
• 22:17
  to it, but I will so it's gonna be amazing Shoshone
• 22:21
  County man, they're having a hard time keeping
• 22:22
  law enforcement for Like what feels like a myriad
• 22:26
  of different reasons, but they're all kind of
• 22:28
  tied together Which is just shown in a nutshell
• 22:29
  anybody who knows anything about the history
• 22:31
  of Shoshone knows that everybody's related to
• 22:33
  everybody else and most of them are dirty and
• 22:35
  The people who fill their slots are not clean
• 22:38
  either. So Shoshone's an interesting place. It's
• 22:41
  a mining county with old families and old stories
• 22:45
  well and like you said this is i'm sure well
• 22:49
  hopefully more information and answers will come
• 22:51
  out about uh sort of exactly what happened and
• 22:54
  you know it was you know was surgeon rescue called
• 22:57
  should they have been was it 19 hours was it
• 22:59
  not for 39 hours and what a clear picture of
• 23:04
  what exactly happened here because i've seen
• 23:06
  enough Well, what are we supposed to do? Like,
• 23:08
  you know, 99 % of the time, people just show
• 23:11
  up. We don't call search and rescue immediately.
• 23:13
  Like, that's not how it works. And then there's
• 23:14
  people going like, well, he wouldn't have died
• 23:15
  if he would have just acted. So hopefully, as
• 23:18
  time goes on, we'll have more to play on that
• 23:20
  story. Yeah, well in North Idaho, it's slightly
• 23:23
  different culture to where there's a lot of people
• 23:25
  who do go missing and then show up There's a
• 23:27
  lot of people who go away for a couple of days.
• 23:28
  It's hunting season, too So and everybody up
• 23:31
  here hunts, everybody's pretty independently
• 23:32
  minded for the most part So it's not uncommon
• 23:34
  for hunting parties or individuals to just go
• 23:37
  away for a day or two Hunting and then pop back
• 23:42
  up. It's North Idaho man. It happens. It's not
• 23:45
  actually that unusual What is also not unusual
• 23:48
  is the media in the middle of this? a series
• 23:52
  of Shoshone County police resignations and whatnot,
• 23:56
  mentioning that, of course, it's about the money.
• 23:59
  In the middle of it, they made, oh, yeah, and
• 24:02
  because of shocker that the mainstream media
• 24:04
  would go, yeah, and because the taxpayer didn't
• 24:06
  give up even more of their money, but if we just
• 24:10
  would tax ourselves a little harder. That's always
• 24:12
  the answer. In Shoshone, Shoshone is a way less
• 24:17
  populous county. It is not a wealthy county.
• 24:19
  That is a big levy. Some quick numbers. In twenty
• 24:23
  twenty two, the Shoshone County Sheriff's Office
• 24:25
  had a total salary budget of about a million
• 24:29
  and a half. In twenty twenty three, the highest
• 24:32
  reported salary was just bumping up up to about
• 24:34
  ninety thousand and then it rose in twenty twenty
• 24:37
  four to ninety four and change. So I think it's
• 24:39
  safe to assume we're up about one hundred K now.
• 24:43
  Shoshone County's median household income for
• 24:45
  the rest of the civilians is forty nine. thousand
• 24:48
  and change and the per capita income is around
• 24:50
  twenty seven twenty eight k inflation that's
• 24:54
  below the poverty line forty five was it or forty
• 24:56
  nine forty nine and change they call it fifty
• 24:59
  you're below adjusted for inflation as of the
• 25:01
  last couple years you're basically at or below
• 25:03
  the poverty line and obviously at twenty five
• 25:05
  or twenty seven sorry i already forgot but it
• 25:07
  was in the mid 20s you're well below the poverty
• 25:09
  line and the only reason that it is that high
• 25:13
  is the mining industry, what's left of it anyways
• 25:17
  in the Silver Valley, because miners, most of
• 25:19
  them make high, high five figures or low six
• 25:22
  figures. And it's not a huge industry anymore.
• 25:25
  But it's still it still is a bigger industry
• 25:28
  in Shoshone County. And then of course, public
• 25:30
  employees, a lot of them make in the, you know,
• 25:34
  60s, 70s, 80s, 90s range. Some of them six figures
• 25:38
  as well. It's good to be king. It's always good
• 25:39
  to work for the government when in doubt, just.
• 25:42
  Yeah. which is what we're going to talk about
• 25:44
  with Coeur d 'Alene. The city of Coeur d 'Alene
• 25:47
  is looking to appoint someone to council seat
• 25:49
  three now. That seat opened up when the city
• 25:52
  elected council member Dan Guggen for mayor.
• 25:55
  Whoever they appoint will serve the rest of the
• 25:57
  term, which is until January 4th, 2028. To apply,
• 26:02
  you have to be a registered voter, at least 18
• 26:04
  years old, live within the city of Coeur d 'Alene,
• 26:07
  and have lived there for at least 30 days. To
• 26:10
  get an application, contact the City Clerk. Deadline
• 26:13
  to apply here is Monday, December 15th by 4 p
• 26:16
  .m. You could be a City Council member after
• 26:16
  having lived there for just 30 days. A month.
• 26:19
  A month. You got it. Yep, and you could be 18.
• 26:24
  Man, calling all carpetbaggers. Come on, come
• 26:27
  one, come all. Oh, you know what? What are the
• 26:30
  odds that Pulsifer scores a City Council seat?
• 26:33
  That's well over 100%. Maybe Pulsifer is going
• 26:36
  to get what he wants anyways, because everybody
• 26:39
  knows that city council is wrong on the ladder.
• 26:41
  You step on to then get to mayor. That's how
• 26:43
  you do it. That's that's how you do it. Now,
• 26:46
  it took it took Gukan. He was first elected to
• 26:49
  the city council in 2011. So it did take him
• 26:52
  about 15 years, give or take. I did find this
• 26:56
  now when I was kind of looking at some of that,
• 26:58
  like, well. I was doing a deeper dive to try
• 27:00
  to find some of the contextual clips from that
• 27:03
  supercut that was put together of him, you know,
• 27:06
  like, oh, if a Jesus was here, he would just
• 27:08
  say to the Christians, get the, like all the,
• 27:10
  you know, that supercut that was put together,
• 27:12
  which by the way, I mean, you know, we sort of
• 27:15
  touched on it on the last show, the notion of
• 27:17
  you can make anybody sound unhinged doing that
• 27:20
  sort of stuff. I mean, that supercut in particular,
• 27:23
  as supercuts go, was extremely tightly edited.
• 27:29
  and propagandistic in its presentation as far
• 27:32
  as what it was trying to show Dan Guggenstein.
• 27:36
  If he had said something in context like, if
• 27:40
  Jesus were here today, he would have a message
• 27:42
  for Christians, and he would say, you are all
• 27:44
  cult member psychos, but he would have played
• 27:46
  a much longer at least a couple sentences together
• 27:51
  to show the context, but instead it was like
• 27:53
  four words. He would say, get the F and then
• 27:55
  cut to the next thing. So it's baloney. The whole
• 27:57
  thing's ridiculous propaganda. I think the point
• 28:01
  of that supercut was to illustrate how unhinged
• 28:05
  and I mentioned that when we covered it in episode
• 28:07
  three, because I watched some of Dan Guggen's
• 28:11
  podcasts and I've been around long enough to
• 28:14
  see two decades of his behavior. And some of
• 28:17
  it has been And his descent into what I would
• 28:20
  consider kind of some sort of mental madness
• 28:23
  because the guy actually used to be a fairly
• 28:25
  intelligent, reasonable man. And I've shared
• 28:28
  a poker table with the man. I used to consider
• 28:30
  him a friend. He used to be a patron of the Bulldog
• 28:33
  Pipe and Cigar Lounge back in 2015, 2016. I actually
• 28:38
  spent some time with the man. He was a political
• 28:40
  ally. And at one point, he considered himself
• 28:42
  a libertarian. I don't know if he does anymore,
• 28:44
  but he used the word. It showed, but, you know,
• 28:48
  that was 2015, 2016. It's been 10 years, and
• 28:52
  the man is unhinged. Because that's what I would
• 28:54
  take away from watching that supercut. I was
• 28:55
  like, oh yeah, this guy's unhinged. That was
• 28:58
  the point of that supercut was this, so that
• 29:00
  people did come away with that. My point is not
• 29:01
  about whether or not Gookin is unhinged or not.
• 29:04
  My point is that it is a poorly put together
• 29:07
  supercut that is highly propagandistic in how
• 29:09
  it is presenting what it is trying to convey,
• 29:12
  and it is not trying to do... Granted. do anything
• 29:14
  other than elicit an emotional response from
• 29:16
  viewers for them to watch it, clutch their pearls
• 29:19
  and be horrified, and then make a move for their
• 29:22
  keyboard so they can mash their fingers into
• 29:24
  it about what a Christian -hating psycho, Dan
• 29:26
  Guggen, is. He might be that guy. If you wanted
• 29:31
  to illustrate it in any sort of way, like an
• 29:39
  intellectually honest way, then you would include,
• 29:42
  you can do a super cut, but you would include
• 29:45
  three words from a sentence and then mash to
• 29:47
  the next thing. You would include a couple of
• 29:50
  sentences so you can get an idea of what the
• 29:51
  guy was really saying and that is not what was
• 29:53
  presented. So I did find this, if you want to
• 29:58
  talk about Dan Gukin from maybe earlier in his
• 30:01
  life when he was more intelligent and a reasonable
• 30:05
  man, as you're pointing out. I found this from,
• 30:09
  I think it's from the early 1990s, from KFMB
• 30:12
  Channel 8 in San Diego, and it is actually a
• 30:15
  report featuring Gukin, and I think it might
• 30:20
  be paid placement for his book, like a native
• 30:22
  ad, I can't really tell. Computers, whether you
• 30:26
  like them or not, you've got to deal with them
• 30:28
  in today's society. A good example is just going
• 30:30
  to the bank. The last time you took a 20 out
• 30:32
  of the ATM machine, for instance, you were using
• 30:34
  a computer. Just quickly, ATM stands for automatic
• 30:39
  teller machine. ATM machine is automatic teller
• 30:42
  machine machine. Going to the bank. The last
• 30:44
  time you took a 20 out of the ATM machine. I
• 30:46
  thought ATM stood for all the money. For instance,
• 30:52
  you were using a computer. But for many of us,
• 30:54
  the question now is, should we let a computer
• 30:56
  into our homes? That's the subject of this week's
• 30:59
  FYI segment, home computers. Oh, it's so good.
• 31:07
  It's so dated and amazing. Should we let a computer
• 31:09
  into our homes? I'm sorry, Paul. I'm not allowed
• 31:10
  to answer your question. That's the subject of
• 31:16
  this week's FYI segment, home computers. Do you
• 31:19
  need one? Where and how to buy one? And what
• 31:21
  to do with a computer once you get one? At home,
• 31:25
  Dan Gukin's spare room is usually... I love the
• 31:28
  nat -pop of him banging the keyboard. At home,
• 31:33
  Dan Gukin's spare room is usually humming with
• 31:35
  the sound of computers at work. He has five of
• 31:38
  them. It's not that he loves computers, but he's
• 31:41
  grown so proficient with them, he writes books.
• 31:43
  Yeah, now I'm picturing Scarface's... Oh, here
• 31:46
  we go again. You know, all these different closed
• 31:47
  -circuit televisions, you know? I just hope that,
• 31:51
  does he speak in this, is this an interview at
• 31:53
  all? Like, does he speak? Oh, okay, hold on.
• 31:55
  I'm calling it right now. So I wouldn't say that
• 31:58
  I'm proficient, but a lot of people around me
• 32:01
  tell me I'm pretty proficient with these machines.
• 32:03
  I got a lot of machines. They're beautiful. The
• 32:05
  most beautiful computers in the world. And I'm
• 32:08
  told I'm pretty good with them. You nailed it.
• 32:11
  He has five of them. It's not that he loves computers,
• 32:14
  but he's grown so proficient with them, he writes
• 32:16
  books about them. I bought one on a whim when
• 32:19
  I was a cook in a restaurant and just got into
• 32:22
  it more and more and eventually here I am self
• 32:24
  -employed and you know have like the computer
• 32:26
  maven of the town doing all the computer maven
• 32:31
  of the town hold on this is so good the maven
• 32:34
  that's what he said and you know have like the
• 32:37
  computer maven of the town doing all the the
• 32:40
  computer stuff and know pretty much what's going
• 32:41
  on and people write me letters and ask me how
• 32:43
  to help them it's kind of fun Gukin is a self
• 32:45
  -taught computer expert who's written 16 books
• 32:48
  from manuals to how -to's. He writes about computers,
• 32:52
  software, hardware, operating systems. He even
• 32:55
  has a radio call -in show. He admits that computers
• 32:59
  aren't for everyone. Not all of us need one at
• 33:01
  home. There's a lot of things you can do with
• 33:03
  a computer, from astrology to zoology. A computer
• 33:07
  can do anything. It really can. And the basic
• 33:10
  purpose for it, though, is writing, doing computerized
• 33:13
  things. you have a computer in the office you
• 33:15
  want to use a computer at home that's a reason
• 33:18
  your kids are in school they use computers you
• 33:20
  want them to have a computer at home or they
• 33:21
  don't have a computer at school you want them
• 33:23
  to use a computer at home then you buy a computer
• 33:25
  those have decided they can't live without a
• 33:28
  computer at home might consult gookin about which
• 33:30
  computer best suits their needs here comes coincidentally
• 33:33
  he just happened to write a book on the subject
• 33:36
  oh maybe we're just plugging the book i'm not
• 33:38
  really sure but if it was if he paid for that
• 33:40
  or not but So I love that just like so dated,
• 33:44
  like, does everybody need a computer more at
• 33:47
  11? All right, I won't talk about Guggen anymore,
• 33:49
  because I don't want this show to be the Guggen
• 33:51
  show. That man doesn't deserve all of our attention.
• 33:54
  He's weird. Well, unfortunately, I got one more
• 33:56
  thing to do on him. Then we'll move on. Sorry,
• 33:59
  because we have some some of my no agenda fellow
• 34:02
  producers that are here on the show. So I want
• 34:05
  to I want to share this. My next brush with computer
• 34:08
  greatness was John C. Dvorak. If you were a computer
• 34:12
  nerd growing up or around in the 1980s and early
• 34:17
  1990s, you probably knew who Dvorak was as he
• 34:21
  wrote a very popular column. Now, I met him at
• 34:25
  a Comdex. I was nobody. I was just an editor
• 34:27
  of a local magazine in San Diego. And so it was
• 34:30
  kind of intimidating meeting him, and he was
• 34:32
  like, ah, kid, whatever. So you fast forward
• 34:34
  a few years, and I wrote a book called DOS for
• 34:37
  Dummies. And all of a sudden, Dvorak contacts
• 34:40
  me because he wants a quote from me on his book.
• 34:45
  It's called Dvorak Predicts. And my quote, on
• 34:49
  the front cover, Dvorak's barbed tongue and unpredictable
• 34:53
  wit have kept the computer industry on its toes
• 34:56
  for years. He's always a must -read, Dan Gukin,
• 35:00
  bestselling author and creator of the Four Dummies
• 35:03
  book series. After I did this, I asked him if
• 35:06
  he... would do a blurb for a cover of one of
• 35:10
  my books. Obviously, quid pro quo is the way
• 35:12
  these things work. And he was too busy. Anyway,
• 35:17
  that's my brush with greatness with John Dvorak.
• 35:20
  I don't know what he's doing now, but I do remember
• 35:23
  fondly reading his articles, his columns, all
• 35:27
  those years ago. That's pretty funny. Like, you
• 35:29
  know, you can use a computer and find out what
• 35:32
  John Dvorak is doing now. He's... been hosting
• 35:35
  No Agenda for almost 20 years. But what's funny
• 35:38
  about this, Paul, is... What was the book called?
• 35:41
  Dvorak's book? Dvorak Predicts. I didn't hear
• 35:44
  it very well. And so I'm thinking, okay, so you
• 35:45
  got the guy who wrote DOS for dummies, and then
• 35:47
  you got the guy who wrote Dvorak Predicts. That
• 35:49
  was funny, but... Oh, like F -O -R -D -I -C -K
• 35:53
  -S? Yes. Is that what you're hearing? So I'm
• 35:58
  like, these two guys, like, this is perfect.
• 36:00
  Dvorak for dicks and Das for dummies. They belong
• 36:02
  together. You did hear what I actually said,
• 36:05
  though, right? Well, now, yeah. Dvorak predicts
• 36:08
  with a P. That would have been a much better
• 36:10
  title. That's very funny. OK, so but what's funny
• 36:14
  about this is Dvorak, very famously, will do
• 36:18
  a blurb for anybody. Anyone who asks me for a
• 36:21
  blurb, I'll just do it. It never does you any
• 36:24
  harm. It just does you nothing but good. It's
• 36:26
  good vibes. It's a great thing to do. And so
• 36:29
  I blurb everything I can. I'll do forwards too.
• 36:32
  And it's beyond me why people just don't, you
• 36:34
  know, anyone with any notoriety doesn't adopt
• 36:37
  this philosophy. It just makes nothing but sense.
• 36:40
  So now I, I messaged John, because when I heard
• 36:44
  this, I was like, well, so why didn't he do a
• 36:47
  blurb for Guggen's book then? And he wrote me
• 36:50
  back and he said, I know Guggen, and I would
• 36:52
  have gladly given him a blurb for his book. He
• 36:55
  is wrong. He never asked. So I'm not sure who
• 36:59
  is full of baloney here. I have an idea of who
• 37:03
  I think is full of baloney. I'm a betting man.
• 37:04
  Would you like to know where I put my money?
• 37:08
  OK, I just thought that was a pretty funny on
• 37:10
  the nose thing because of how this is not the
• 37:12
  only time Dvorak has talked about doing blurbs.
• 37:14
  It's something he's mentioned many times that
• 37:16
  he will do for anybody. He's like, I don't even
• 37:18
  have to read the book. I'll still just give you
• 37:20
  a blurb. Meanwhile, in Gukin's mind, he asks
• 37:23
  Dvorak for a blurb, and Dvorak goes, No, I don't
• 37:26
  think I will. Downsand, Gukin. Oh, man. Gay.
• 37:33
  All right, enough Gukin. Yeah, all right, please.
• 37:36
  I did have something from, we were talking about
• 37:38
  hunting. Yeah, and how dangerous apparently it
• 37:40
  is in North Idaho. The two hunting articles we've
• 37:42
  covered in four episodes is, Guy Gets Lost and
• 37:46
  Dies. And if you shoot a stuffed moose, you're
• 37:49
  going to federal prison. So the moral of the
• 37:51
  story is, everybody, be careful when hunting.
• 37:54
  Geez. And so that's Fish and Game, of course,
• 37:58
  that was deploying those very realistic decoy,
• 38:01
  the Idaho Department of Fish and Game. Here is
• 38:03
  a nice message from Fish and Game. Hey, Idaho
• 38:07
  non -resident hunters. There's a new tag drawing
• 38:09
  system coming in December. No more waiting in
• 38:11
  long lines and no more online queues. Starting
• 38:14
  December 5th through the 15th. Non -resident
• 38:16
  hunters can submit applications with five hunt
• 38:18
  choices and four group members. Hunters must
• 38:20
  have a valid Idaho hunting license in order to
• 38:22
  apply. They can buy their license and apply online
• 38:24
  at goadorgeidaho .com, at any of our RDFT offices
• 38:28
  and vendor locations, or by calling our toll
• 38:30
  -free number listed online. Draw results will
• 38:32
  be posted in early January 2026, and a second
• 38:34
  application period will be held in February.
• 38:37
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  for December 5th. now i have a quick uh personal
• 38:43
  i did i saved this for the show i didn't mention
• 38:45
  it to paul what happened with fish and game up
• 38:48
  at my property uh last week oh where i in the
• 38:52
  detail on like uh i don't know wednesday morning
• 38:54
  I look out the window and I see, I'm on a couple
• 38:58
  acres up here, but I am right next to town. I'm
• 39:01
  like very near Post Falls downtown, but I'm sort
• 39:04
  of up on a little bluff and so I don't have any
• 39:07
  houses that surround me. And I looked out the
• 39:09
  window and I saw what I thought was a sheriff
• 39:12
  out on the field adjacent to my driveway. And
• 39:15
  I was like, what's this guy doing? So I went
• 39:18
  down there, I went outside, and I walked up to
• 39:21
  him, and as I'm approaching him, he sort of turned
• 39:23
  around and saw me, and he gave me the index finger
• 39:25
  over the mouth, like, shh. And I was like, yo,
• 39:29
  excuse me, like, what are you doing here, you
• 39:31
  know? Don't you shush me, you're not my dad.
• 39:32
  You're not my property, man. And then I saw that
• 39:36
  he was fish and game, and he was sort of like,
• 39:40
  we're trying to, there's a moose, a mama and
• 39:42
  a couple baby mooses, and we're trying to...
• 39:45
  We're trying to corral them, you know, they're
• 39:47
  just like they're down in the ravine and he's
• 39:49
  pointing and he's got two other guys Did you
• 39:51
  ask him like are they yours? Did you guys plant
• 39:54
  them there? They look really realistic. They
• 39:56
  look so real he had so he had two guys with him
• 39:58
  one with like the you know, the trank dart gun
• 40:00
  and They were trying to like sort of move slowly
• 40:04
  towards mama moose and her baby mooses in order
• 40:07
  to get them because we're like I said we're right
• 40:09
  next to you know downtown of the residential
• 40:12
  area and he's like you know this moose has been
• 40:14
  it's been tagged for a couple months now and
• 40:17
  it's been aggressive it's charged kids at a bus
• 40:19
  stop and we've been we've been tracking it now
• 40:21
  we just we're now at a point where we need to
• 40:23
  we're gonna relocate him we're gonna we're gonna
• 40:26
  train him her and her babies and we're gonna
• 40:28
  bring them up to you know near Lewiston or something
• 40:31
  like that and basically just put him out back
• 40:32
  in the wild. Now what's crazy about it is I was
• 40:36
  like, oh, okay, well, you know, good luck. And
• 40:39
  then and then I get a text about a half an hour
• 40:42
  later, and because I'm working on up on the computer,
• 40:44
  I wasn't watching out on the field anymore. And
• 40:47
  I get it. And the text is from like, hey, this
• 40:49
  is so and so with with Fish and Game, we we have
• 40:51
  darted a moose on your property, FYI. And so
• 40:55
  now I go and I look out the window and a Department
• 40:59
  of Fish and Game truck. with a with an enclosed
• 41:01
  trailer has come up my driveway and is parked
• 41:05
  on the field and there are 15 fishing game employees
• 41:09
  that are all milling around what had happened
• 41:12
  was that now I went back outside and I watched
• 41:14
  as I filmed it I'll send you the video once we
• 41:16
  are done with the show here they it took because
• 41:18
  it was down sort of in this little ravine it
• 41:21
  took all these different uh... employees to put
• 41:25
  it in one of those like, you know, you transport
• 41:27
  the dolphin from the from the tank to the truck,
• 41:29
  one of those big canvas carriers or whatever
• 41:32
  sling sling. Yeah, there you go. And they they
• 41:35
  slung this tranked mama moose and dragged her
• 41:39
  all 15 of them heave ho dragged her up out of
• 41:43
  the ravine and put her in this enclosed like
• 41:45
  sort of mini horse trailer type of thing. And
• 41:48
  I was watching I was like this. I mean, I'm counting
• 41:51
  15 full -time employees here for this. How much
• 41:54
  money do you think was spent that day? Now, the
• 41:58
  reason that I bring this up and the amount of
• 42:01
  people is because I've, you know, as I've been
• 42:03
  thinking about it, like I can hear people, you
• 42:05
  know, well, what are you saying, man? Like, you
• 42:07
  know, fishing game does important work. And what
• 42:09
  are they supposed to do if there's an aggressive
• 42:11
  mama moose? And they're wondering, obviously,
• 42:13
  we need an apartment like this. Like, and I've
• 42:15
  thought about a lot like, OK, well, what would
• 42:17
  it have looked like? Let's say there is no Department
• 42:20
  of Fish and Game. What would happen to that mama
• 42:23
  moose and her two baby mooses that were like,
• 42:25
  you know, had been around residential streets
• 42:28
  for too long and had charged kids at a bus stop?
• 42:32
  Chaos. I'm pretty sure a citizen with a rifle
• 42:37
  would have taken it out. Is that a fair assumption
• 42:40
  of what might have happened? Some post -Falls
• 42:42
  family would be enjoying a lot of moose stew
• 42:45
  this Christmas. That's not altogether a bad thing.
• 42:50
  And it's like, well, what would you want? What
• 42:53
  do you want society to look like? You, you anarchists
• 42:57
  who think that there shouldn't be a department
• 42:58
  efficient game. Maybe there wouldn't even be
• 43:01
  any moose at all on the streets or anywhere else
• 43:04
  because they'd all have been hunted to extinction
• 43:06
  in your world where no rules exist. Okay, maybe.
• 43:11
  What world would you rather live in? Any group
• 43:15
  of people or organization that forces me to buy
• 43:18
  a license to fish or hunt. For 10 ,000 years
• 43:22
  of human history, I can go hunting to feed my
• 43:24
  family if I wish. I can go fishing. That was
• 43:29
  a part of the human condition. You fish, you
• 43:30
  hunt, you do the thing. But now I have to have
• 43:34
  permission from a government agency that I didn't
• 43:37
  vote for, nor do I agree with. The mindset that
• 43:40
  is inclined to defend and Otherwise see the value
• 43:45
  in state apparatuses. Well, oh well, so yeah
• 43:49
  But if they didn't exist man every species just
• 43:52
  gets hunts to extinction and it's just a free
• 43:54
  -for -all and it can't work like that because
• 43:55
  otherwise There's not gonna be anything for you
• 43:57
  people to hunt we need this day I can hear how
• 43:59
  they're like that sounds crazy to them because
• 44:02
  in their world without that state apparatus There
• 44:06
  is no there are like no trees and all the water
• 44:08
  is dirty Well, it goes back to the very basic
• 44:11
  concept that I'll touch on real fast that is
• 44:13
  People are super bad, so they need to be controlled
• 44:17
  and governed. Okay, well, if people are so bad,
• 44:20
  where do you find the angels to do the governance?
• 44:24
  And you can have all the laws on the books you
• 44:26
  want, as we know. Pick a topic. It goes this
• 44:28
  way, whether it's the war on drugs or poaching.
• 44:32
  Bad guys are gonna do bad guy stuff either way.
• 44:34
  Laws do not prevent people from committing crimes.
• 44:37
  And the legal system at this point has ceased
• 44:41
  to do anything remotely resembling. a justice
• 44:43
  system. It's just a legal system. So if we want
• 44:46
  to take what we have now and compare it to what
• 44:47
  I want, which is a stateless society, individuals
• 44:51
  and people when they come together for a similar
• 44:53
  cause typically do a much better job of dispensing
• 44:56
  thoughtful, true justice than a monolithic state
• 45:01
  that we have now. Would you rather see the world
• 45:03
  with no moose and all these different species
• 45:07
  just hunted to extinction rather than have these
• 45:09
  government bureaucracies? And as I thought about
• 45:11
  it, I'm like, yeah, actually, yeah. That's a
• 45:12
  false premise. The premise is baloney. But even
• 45:15
  if it isn't, yeah, I still would. This premise
• 45:17
  that it's either all or nothing or that without
• 45:20
  the state, everything would be bad and the water
• 45:22
  would be completely polluted and the air would
• 45:24
  be unbreathable and all the animals would die
• 45:26
  and all the corporations would kill off everything.
• 45:28
  Well, without the state to run cover. for the
• 45:32
  corporations well that can't actually happen
• 45:34
  anymore because corporations are beholden to
• 45:36
  the people who buy their stuff and vote with
• 45:37
  their dollars and vote with their feet but one
• 45:39
  thing begets the other and it's not a dichotomy
• 45:41
  where it's either totalitarian state control
• 45:45
  or everything dies and is terrible it's not that
• 45:47
  at all like the government is the biggest polluter
• 45:50
  on planet earth and it's not even close the corporations
• 45:54
  are next and the corporations and the government
• 45:56
  are the same fucking thing so you get rid of
• 45:59
  the hose and it's just People live in their lives
• 46:02
  cooperatively or not. I like clean water. I like
• 46:07
  trees. I don't know. I feel like trees are overrated.
• 46:10
  Hey Chauncey, how many employees does the Idaho
• 46:13
  Department of Fish and Game have? As of 2024,
• 46:25
  the Idaho Department of Fish and Game has about
• 46:27
  531 employees. These staff members are spread
• 46:31
  across different divisions, including administration,
• 46:34
  communications, enforcement, engineering. 530,
• 46:37
  that's actually less than I would think. To cover
• 46:40
  all of Idaho, no way. It does seem low. Well,
• 46:44
  I'm glad that you didn't get killed by a moose.
• 46:46
  I'm also glad that when you went out there to
• 46:48
  talk to them, they didn't get scared and prank
• 46:50
  you. And it's a damn good thing, Scott, that
• 46:55
  you didn't have a dog out there, or they would
• 46:56
  have shot your dog. Yeah. Okay, so I think here
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  Silverwood because our beloved Silverwood Park
• 51:26
  is I think they have a buyer. Silverwood may
• 51:31
  be getting a new owner. The owners of Dollywood,
• 51:34
  a Dolly Parton themed inspired theme park in
• 51:36
  Tennessee, and the Harlem Globetrotters are hoping
• 51:38
  to take over the park. Silverwood has been operating
• 51:41
  independently since its creation more than 35
• 51:44
  years ago. Now, how much do you know about the
• 51:48
  sort of early years and what Silverwood looked
• 51:50
  like in its infancy? Fun fact, in the late 80s,
• 51:56
  early 90s, early to mid 90s, my grandmother,
• 51:59
  my dad's mom, who passed away, I don't know,
• 52:02
  about 10 years ago now, worked as a comptroller
• 52:05
  at Silverwood. I think she was there for eight
• 52:08
  -ish years. And when I was... I was a wee lad.
• 52:13
  I had to have been four, five, six, somewhere
• 52:17
  thereabouts. I got to go to Silverwood as much
• 52:19
  as I wanted, and I got to ride the plane, the
• 52:23
  kids' plane ride. There were the red planes and
• 52:25
  the white planes, and you could... run the joystick
• 52:28
  up or down and move your plane up and down. And
• 52:30
  I would spend my entire day on that ride. I always
• 52:35
  chose the Red Plane because I thought it was
• 52:37
  badass and just pretended to shoot down everybody
• 52:40
  else. It was great. Silverwood was awesome, especially
• 52:42
  as a kid. They used to have an airstrip out there.
• 52:45
  In fact, when they first started, it was basically
• 52:46
  an airstrip and some rides. And the airstrip,
• 52:49
  they did an air show. One of the main attractions
• 52:51
  out there for several years, a while actually,
• 52:54
  was the air show. And that was pretty cool. That
• 52:57
  was actually really cool. That has since shut
• 53:00
  down, I think, long ago. But that's actually
• 53:03
  what started out there was an airstrip and then
• 53:06
  an amusement park. Unlimited admittance? Man,
• 53:10
  that's the dream. Yeah, I had a season pass and
• 53:12
  I had no idea how valuable that was. Of course,
• 53:15
  it was easy for them because, like, it was easy
• 53:17
  babysitting. Basically, my parents hand me off
• 53:19
  to them, not like... They didn't want me around
• 53:21
  or nothing, but it worked out great. They gave
• 53:22
  me to Grandma Sherry. Grandma Sherry would take
• 53:24
  me for the day. She dropped me off at the plane
• 53:26
  ride, and she knew I was going nowhere, that
• 53:28
  you had people keeping an eye on me. I was a
• 53:30
  kid who my dad could take to the softball game,
• 53:32
  and I'd sit there, and I'd watch the softball
• 53:33
  game, and I'm five or six years old, and I'm
• 53:35
  watching the game, because we don't have to worry
• 53:37
  about him. So same thing at Silverwood. North
• 53:39
  Idaho has a really cool phenomenon, where there's
• 53:41
  a lot of stuff that happens up here, and a lot
• 53:43
  of things that have been going on up here, and
• 53:44
  a lot of things that exist up here, and people
• 53:46
  who do really neat, unique things up here. and
• 53:48
  most of it is unexpected, and you don't even
• 53:50
  know about it until you stumble on it. At first
• 53:53
  blush, it's like, how the hell does a theme park
• 53:56
  such as Silverwood pop up in seriously what was
• 53:59
  the middle of nowhere in North Idaho, you know,
• 54:02
  almost 40 years ago. So it's pretty wild, but
• 54:05
  also really cool. A little brief history that
• 54:09
  Silverwood itself produced, but I thought it
• 54:10
  was illuminating and this is stuff I didn't know.
• 54:12
  The roller coasters across the inland Northwest
• 54:14
  skyline began with computers. Now I looked, I
• 54:37
  was like... can I find the sale price for what
• 54:40
  Silverwood's founder, Gary Norton, sold that
• 54:43
  company for in 1988. Couldn't find any public
• 54:45
  numbers, but based on the reading I did, this
• 54:48
  is just a guess, but I think he might have got
• 54:52
  like 60, 70 million dollars for it. That's just
• 54:56
  a straight guess. In 1985? Yeah, and like I said,
• 54:58
  I'm just extrapolating based on what I read,
• 55:00
  and I could be totally wrong, but that was kind
• 55:03
  of where I sort of ended up in my head after
• 55:05
  I read a bunch. of what I could find about that
• 55:08
  company and what it did and its revenue or whatever.
• 55:10
  I wonder if him and Dan Guggen hung out in computers.
• 55:13
  I wonder if Dan Guggen was the maven and the
• 55:16
  owner of Silverwood was, you know, the matriarch
• 55:19
  or something. The guru. The guru. After buying
• 55:27
  and restoring several boats and planes he was
• 55:29
  ready. I also loved the verbiage He was ready
• 55:31
  for a new challenge in other words He was loaded
• 55:33
  to the gills and could do whatever he wanted.
• 55:35
  I was like, what do I buy in 1988? He was ready
• 55:38
  for a new challenge after buying and restoring
• 55:41
  several boats and planes Gary decided to purchase
• 55:44
  a little piece of Mother Nature in the northern
• 55:46
  panhandle of Idaho called Henley airdrome as
• 55:49
  a working airport Gary now had a place for his
• 55:52
  collection of planes and antique automobiles
• 55:55
  One day at a dusty auction in a quiet corner
• 55:57
  of Nevada. He met a steam train He couldn't refuse
• 56:00
  a 1915 Porter steam locomotive engine fondly
• 56:04
  named old number seven this petite little airdrome
• 56:07
  was now shifting to become the backdrop for his
• 56:10
  train because or you have a train you must have
• 56:13
  a little town for it before long a Delightful
• 56:16
  little Victorian village spring up at the airdrome
• 56:18
  Gary decided to open this to the public and thus
• 56:22
  Silverwood produced it. It was on Silverwood's
• 56:24
  YouTube channel. Sort of buried, but it's there.
• 56:26
  It's adorable. It is adorable. We're almost done.
• 56:51
  the company that bought it, it does seem to be
• 56:54
  family owned from what I can tell. And they seem
• 56:56
  to own lots of different properties. And but
• 56:59
  yeah, Silverwood is now finally no longer with
• 57:02
  the Norton family. To their credit, they've owned
• 57:05
  it for what 35 plus years. It's pretty impressive.
• 57:08
  And it is a theme park is a theme park is I'm
• 57:10
  sure most people think it's a glamorous gig.
• 57:13
  But my God, very challenging. And I'm impressed.
• 57:17
  I'm impressed with them. And good for them. I
• 57:18
  hope I wish them well. My biggest question, and
• 57:21
  I might be jumping the gun here, with a conglomerate
• 57:24
  coming in and buying the thing, a, what do they
• 57:26
  call it, a holding company that controls a bunch
• 57:27
  of other attractions and entertainment things,
• 57:29
  which by the way, Harlem Grove Trouters, tons
• 57:31
  of fun, did that as a kid too. How is it going
• 57:34
  to change the theme park? And how is it going
• 57:37
  to change the area around the theme park? They're
• 57:39
  already working on cabins and lodging now, which
• 57:42
  I'm surprised it took this long to finally have.
• 57:44
  lodging accommodations near the theme park Other
• 57:48
  than like campsites and RV sites, but my money
• 57:51
  is on in less than three years five years They
• 57:55
  will have bought up more property right next
• 57:57
  door and they will build a hotel and they might
• 58:01
  even build condos and they might even develop
• 58:03
  some high -end housing or high -end condos or
• 58:06
  things like that and In comes a whole different
• 58:09
  demographic Or some of the same demographic,
• 58:11
  I guess, that has carpet bagged its way into
• 58:13
  the North Idaho already. But now they are right
• 58:16
  next to Silverwood as well. And it will really
• 58:18
  change the character of this area that Silverwood
• 58:22
  is in, which happens to be in between Sandpoint
• 58:24
  and Coeur d 'Alene. So Sandpoint and Coeur d
• 58:26
  'Alene, they're both deep blue islands, full
• 58:28
  of carpet baggers, out -of -towners, crazy politics,
• 58:30
  all kinds of nonsense and bullshit that most
• 58:32
  of us from here hate. In between those two towns,
• 58:35
  it was sort of like the buffer zone. And we could
• 58:37
  all exist in these buffer zones. The neutral
• 58:40
  territory. Yeah, well, we're, you know, libertarian
• 58:43
  territory or just leave me the fuck alone territory,
• 58:46
  whatever you want to call it. Did you ever see
• 58:48
  the man in the high castle? I saw the first few
• 58:51
  episodes and thought this has I thought this
• 58:53
  has a lot of potential. And then I watched a
• 58:55
  couple more episodes and went, oh, this is written.
• 58:57
  This is poorly written. And I can tell that millennials
• 59:00
  have their hands all over it. And this is kind
• 59:02
  of cartoonish. And I can see where this is going.
• 59:05
  I'm out. The exact same experience that you did,
• 59:08
  because the concept is very novel and it sort
• 59:10
  of ropes you in it first. Super cool concept.
• 59:12
  But then it doesn't hold up for the reasons you
• 59:13
  just mentioned. But I thought of it because the
• 59:15
  concept in that show is that, you know, the Axis
• 59:18
  had won the Second World War and, you know, Japan...
• 59:21
  Who says they didn't? Japan controls the eastern
• 59:27
  U .S. and... I'm sorry, the Western US, the Pacific
• 59:31
  States, and Germany controls the Eastern. But
• 59:34
  then like the Rocky Mountains are the neutral
• 59:36
  zone. Nobody controls that. So that's what I'm
• 59:39
  sort of picturing is the panhandle where Silverwood
• 59:41
  is. I did get a significant kick out of the Rocky
• 59:44
  Mountain zone being like the last free area,
• 59:47
  quote unquote free area in the US in this futuristic.
• 59:51
  What's the word I'm looking at? Post -apocalyptic.
• 59:54
  There's another world. Dystopian future. Thank
• 59:56
  you. Dystopian. type thing. And I was like, Yes,
• 59:58
  I think Idaho is probably in this free land.
• 1:00:01
  And but of course, they make it, you know, everybody,
• 1:00:03
  everybody is poor, and everybody is terrible.
• 1:00:05
  And it's all super sad and bad. And, you know,
• 1:00:08
  some somehow, because there is a lack of centralized
• 1:00:10
  authority. It's just so awful in this quote unquote.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah, that's right. The true dystopia is where
• 1:00:16
  the state's not in control. Yeah, yeah. I mean,
• 1:00:19
  because we are here to break down mainstream
• 1:00:20
  narrative. So here I go, Hollywood mainstream
• 1:00:22
  narrative is perfect. Like Man in the High Castle
• 1:00:25
  was a perfect example of it where on both sides
• 1:00:28
  and incidentally it's the coasts again right
• 1:00:29
  it's the east coast and the west coast there
• 1:00:31
  is totalitarian regimes but people are more comfortable
• 1:00:39
  at least the creature comforts still exist and
• 1:00:41
  there's law and there's order in their society
• 1:00:43
  uh and then you have the quote unquote free zone
• 1:00:45
  which is the last vestige of whatever remains
• 1:00:48
  of liberty and freedom and whatnot and the way
• 1:00:50
  the show is set up it's the worst place to be
• 1:00:53
  is the most free place is the worst place to
• 1:00:55
  be Like oh Hollywood tell me how stupid you really
• 1:01:00
  are and how you really feel is like yeah, okay
• 1:01:02
  So we think fascism is bad and socialism is great
• 1:01:05
  too is great But you know maybe kind of bad if
• 1:01:07
  you you know press our feet to the fire But hey
• 1:01:10
  at least you have you know can have creature
• 1:01:12
  comforts if we didn't have fascism or socialism
• 1:01:15
  or communism or totalitarian state It would just
• 1:01:17
  be chaos It's a great look into the mainstream
• 1:01:26
  narrative mind and the minds of the people who
• 1:01:29
  produce it. State control is kind of bad and
• 1:01:32
  fascism is kind of bad and these things are kind
• 1:01:34
  of they're kind of but but think of how much
• 1:01:36
  worse it would be if you didn't have that. What
• 1:01:42
  the fuck? So anyway, with the neutral zone of
• 1:01:45
  of the panhandle might be might start to look
• 1:01:48
  like Disney World is basically what you're saying.
• 1:01:50
  Yes, I think that's what's going to happen. That's
• 1:01:52
  what my money is on. It'll take a couple of years.
• 1:01:54
  And there will be fights along the way. You might
• 1:01:57
  even see lawsuits or something in the community
• 1:01:59
  surrounding it will be pretty upset. Athel will
• 1:02:02
  be pretty pissed off about it. Carrie would will
• 1:02:04
  be pretty pissed off about it, but they don't
• 1:02:06
  have any power. And most of the people with Athel
• 1:02:09
  in particular who control Athel and Hayden because
• 1:02:13
  Silverwood splits. Basically, you got Hayden
• 1:02:15
  to the north of Coeur d 'Alene. You've got Athel
• 1:02:17
  to the south of Sandpoint. And those are your
• 1:02:19
  next kind of little population points. And the
• 1:02:21
  people who own the stuff. in both those towns
• 1:02:24
  and have the property and work in real estate
• 1:02:26
  and work in banking. And they're already on the
• 1:02:28
  city councils and they already pull the levers
• 1:02:30
  as it is now. They're the ones who are going
• 1:02:31
  to make out like bandits. They're going to be
• 1:02:33
  the ones brokering the deals. They're going to
• 1:02:35
  be the ones selling the property that they picked
• 1:02:37
  up along the way. They're going to make fuck
• 1:02:39
  tons of money. And the area is going to continue
• 1:02:41
  to change and at a faster pace. And the buffer
• 1:02:44
  zone shrinks. And that is my call. I think give
• 1:02:47
  it three to five years or less. Oh, you think
• 1:02:49
  that could sound scream that quickly. Look at
• 1:02:52
  the look at the Post Falls area the Coeur d 'Alene
• 1:02:54
  area now like I've lived here my entire life
• 1:02:56
  I'm a local from here Been out I've lived outside
• 1:03:00
  the area for a few years off and on because you
• 1:03:01
  know go away for college a couple other things
• 1:03:03
  so I haven't been here for 37 years straight
• 1:03:06
  without a break, but I'm a local I'm from here
• 1:03:09
  the growth the pace of growth is so fast. I mean,
• 1:03:13
  it's so fast So why why would why would silver
• 1:03:15
  would look any different or the area around it?
• 1:03:18
  Especially now that it's backed by a corporation
• 1:03:20
  that owns 25, 35 other properties and has a budget
• 1:03:24
  of infinity. They're motivated now. Who knows
• 1:03:27
  how much money they spent on buying Silverwood?
• 1:03:29
  It couldn't have been cheap. Now they got to
• 1:03:31
  find a way to amortize it. So you're going to
• 1:03:33
  raise ticket prices. Probably. You're going to
• 1:03:36
  raise the cost of everything inside the park.
• 1:03:39
  Probably. And then how do you also get that back?
• 1:03:43
  You develop the property around you. We'll see
• 1:03:46
  if the purchase price the amount ever becomes
• 1:03:49
  public I tried to kind of get a sense of what
• 1:03:51
  that might have been and it the range was so
• 1:03:53
  large And there's obviously not been any disclosures
• 1:03:56
  I don't know how much it would have been also
• 1:03:58
  did this say how many properties new owner the
• 1:04:00
  owners of Dollywood a Dolly Trotters are hoping
• 1:04:02
  to take over the park Silver Ward has been up.
• 1:04:05
  Yeah. No, they just gave a couple of examples.
• 1:04:07
  So I'm not the article does it does hold on Now
• 1:04:12
  I gotta pull it up That's okay. While you're
• 1:04:13
  pulling it up, this was to one of their other
• 1:04:15
  properties that this company owns, Stone Mountain
• 1:04:18
  Park in Georgia. They actually got out of their
• 1:04:21
  contract early. This is just very brief and it's
• 1:04:23
  just about this company and a maneuver that they
• 1:04:26
  pulled and I thought it was interesting. Stone
• 1:04:28
  Mountain Park is looking for new management.
• 1:04:31
  Herschen Family Entertainment now is ending its
• 1:04:33
  30 -year contract to run the park's attractions
• 1:04:36
  about seven years early. The CEO of Stone Mountain
• 1:04:39
  Memorial Association now telling our partners
• 1:04:42
  at the Atlanta Business Journal that the decision
• 1:04:44
  is because of recent protests and demonstrations
• 1:04:46
  interfering with business. They are now taking
• 1:04:49
  bids for a new company to run one of the state's
• 1:04:52
  busiest attractions. So it was a it was a civil
• 1:04:55
  war memorial. But it was like it was like a Confederate
• 1:04:58
  carving. There's in in in rock in this park.
• 1:05:03
  And this this company managed this property and
• 1:05:06
  they got out of the contract because of the sort
• 1:05:08
  of controversy that surrounded it. So obviously
• 1:05:10
  the company is as many companies are averse to
• 1:05:14
  controversy and inevitably. there will be lots
• 1:05:18
  of controversy surrounding, I think, surrounding
• 1:05:21
  the type of development you're describing. So
• 1:05:22
  I wonder how they'll handle that. Yeah, but it's
• 1:05:25
  not the kind of controversy that can expose them
• 1:05:28
  to accusations that make you a non -person in
• 1:05:30
  today's world. So there's a big difference between
• 1:05:35
  being controversial because you're developing
• 1:05:36
  land and being controversial because you are
• 1:05:39
  perceived as a racist. One is... basically a
• 1:05:43
  death knell for your reputation in your business,
• 1:05:45
  whether it's accurate or not, just the accusation
• 1:05:48
  is enough to kill you in this day and age, because
• 1:05:51
  God forbid we do our due diligence. And the other
• 1:05:53
  one is just like, you know, you're just a garden
• 1:05:56
  variety, evil corporate villain. If you develop
• 1:06:00
  land, people don't want you to develop. But actually,
• 1:06:04
  Peaky Blinders is a good example of this. If
• 1:06:05
  you've ever watched the show Peaky Blinders,
• 1:06:07
  talk about another peek into the minds of Hollywood
• 1:06:10
  folks in the mainstream narrative. you watch
• 1:06:12
  that show watch all the seasons and you watch
• 1:06:14
  and see all of the atrocities that the Shelby
• 1:06:17
  family commits time and time and time again in
• 1:06:20
  the show it makes a point just to just jam it
• 1:06:24
  in your faces that of all the bad things they
• 1:06:26
  are well at least they're not racists you can
• 1:06:31
  murder people you can bribe you can steal you
• 1:06:33
  can extort you can thieve you can use government
• 1:06:37
  as a weapon and a shield for your so you can
• 1:06:39
  do everything else and it's, you know, it's forgivable.
• 1:06:44
  But what's unforgivable? Racism. I would even
• 1:06:47
  put a perceived racism. Exactly. I was going
• 1:06:49
  to put a finer point on it and say that you can
• 1:06:51
  actually be a raging racist. You just have to
• 1:06:54
  use the current PC language of anti -racist.
• 1:06:58
  You just have to say you're not a racist. You
• 1:07:01
  have to use the correct language and say the
• 1:07:03
  correct things, but you can actually be a racist.
• 1:07:05
  That's actually one of the one of the jokes.
• 1:07:07
  I mean, my God. all of the people on the left
• 1:07:09
  who have said the things they say. And then,
• 1:07:11
  of course, there's the soft bigotry of low expectations
• 1:07:14
  that the left also employs, especially white
• 1:07:16
  leftists who the whole mentality is. You can't
• 1:07:21
  do it without our help. You poor black and brown
• 1:07:24
  people. You'll never make it without us giving
• 1:07:27
  you a leg up. Like this was always one of my
• 1:07:30
  favorites. Remember, Biden took some heat, but
• 1:07:32
  not much and certainly not from the left over
• 1:07:34
  referring to Barack Obama as a clean You know
• 1:07:37
  what? One of the few basic the implication was
• 1:07:39
  like he's black. Yeah, but he's also clean cut
• 1:07:42
  and well spoken. Yeah, he doesn't like sag his
• 1:07:44
  pants or wear a sideways hat. It's like, oh man,
• 1:07:48
  OK, or a shit even in the most recent election
• 1:07:51
  between Biden and Trump. If you don't vote for
• 1:07:54
  me, you ain't black. Yeah, but you know, so you're
• 1:07:59
  right. Great point. Racism is forgivable if you're
• 1:08:01
  on the if you have the right ideology, the correct
• 1:08:04
  ideology. But anyways, going all back to the
• 1:08:07
  your original question. And it's oh, by the way,
• 1:08:10
  I looked it up. It is the the Hirshen family.
• 1:08:13
  You already said that. But it's the Hirshen family.
• 1:08:15
  They won't take the same kind of heat for developing
• 1:08:18
  land as they might have taken for owning a theme
• 1:08:20
  park that, God forbid, has a rock that at one
• 1:08:24
  point some Confederate people wrote on. Also,
• 1:08:27
  to answer another question we posed, they have
• 1:08:30
  more than 40 family entertainment brands across
• 1:08:33
  North America, including Dollywood. Resorts in
• 1:08:35
  Pigeon Forge, Silver Dollar City, Parks and Resorts,
• 1:08:39
  Harlem Grub Trotters, et cetera, et cetera. So
• 1:08:42
  clearly their focus is kind of unique and quote
• 1:08:45
  unquote real family centric entertainment brands.
• 1:08:50
  You said Grub Trotters. So we're still doing
• 1:08:52
  the racist thing then, huh? Are the owners Asian?
• 1:08:59
  There it is. How do you like me now? I have a
• 1:09:04
  few more. This is just sort of a little bit of
• 1:09:07
  a lightning round to some random stuff. Just
• 1:09:10
  so you know, that sculpture, I used the whole
• 1:09:14
  U of I, the public art, the sculpture of Joe
• 1:09:18
  Vandal, I used that to just highlight the vocal
• 1:09:21
  fry, but I do want to confirm that that story...
• 1:09:25
  It is about art and it is about Idaho. The University
• 1:09:28
  of Idaho has unveiled a new statue of its mascot,
• 1:09:33
  Joe Vandal. The bronze statue created by sculptor
• 1:09:36
  Gareth Curtis honors the Associated Students
• 1:09:39
  of the University of Idaho. More than 1 ,500
• 1:09:43
  people helped design it. You can find the statue
• 1:09:46
  between the ICCU arena and the P1 FCU. Kibbe
• 1:09:51
  Dome, where it serves as a gathering place for
• 1:09:54
  students and alumni. I just loved that, too.
• 1:09:59
  Yes, it's next to the Bank of America Pavilion,
• 1:10:01
  which is across the street from the Washington
• 1:10:03
  Mutual Coliseum. It's just so freaking commercialized.
• 1:10:08
  It's a beautiful thing. But anyway, I just wanted
• 1:10:10
  you to know that you accused me of... just sort
• 1:10:16
  of going off into the middle of the woods. But
• 1:10:18
  nope, that story was about Idaho. Accused is
• 1:10:21
  a strong word, you know, but more just a question
• 1:10:26
  or misunderstood. OK, so there is that one. We
• 1:10:31
  got that out of the way. I have this one, a little
• 1:10:36
  F, but it's like a public service announcement.
• 1:10:38
  Well, some bad news for skiers and snowboarders.
• 1:10:41
  Switzer is pushing back opening day. Now they
• 1:10:44
  originally had planned on opening up next week
• 1:10:47
  on November 21st, but because of the weather
• 1:10:49
  and some rain, they had to push back opening
• 1:10:52
  by one week. So now they're going to open in
• 1:10:54
  two weeks instead. Schweitzer says if you have
• 1:10:56
  tickets or reservations for that original opening
• 1:10:59
  day, reach out to their reservation team. So
• 1:11:01
  I just thought this was funny because, like,
• 1:11:03
  how do they know they're going to be able to
• 1:11:04
  open in a week? There's still no snow. Okay,
• 1:11:08
  I have a couple more before we wrap for today.
• 1:11:12
  And here, oh, this came up, this lady came up
• 1:11:15
  when your dad was on our first episode. And here's
• 1:11:17
  a little update. The criminal cases against four
• 1:11:20
  security guards accused of dragging a woman from
• 1:11:22
  a Coeur d 'Alene town hall is heading to trial.
• 1:11:25
  The four men are charged with misdemeanor battery
• 1:11:28
  and false imprisonment for forcibly removing
• 1:11:31
  Teresa Borenpole during the town hall back in
• 1:11:33
  February. Their defense asked the court to dismiss
• 1:11:36
  the charges. yesterday, arguing that they were
• 1:11:39
  following directions from the Kootenai County
• 1:11:41
  Sheriff himself, Bob Norris. However, the judge
• 1:11:44
  declined to dismiss the charges, saying the decision
• 1:11:47
  belongs to a jury. This move comes just weeks
• 1:11:50
  after the Idaho Attorney General's office opted
• 1:11:53
  not to file criminal charges against Sheriff
• 1:11:56
  Norris. The trial for the four security guards
• 1:11:58
  is set to begin coming up on December 15th. Yeah,
• 1:12:02
  so they're going to try the private security
• 1:12:04
  guard guys, it sounds like. But not the sheriff.
• 1:12:06
  Yeah, it's not the sheriff. That alone ought
• 1:12:09
  to give everybody pause, right? Rules for thee,
• 1:12:12
  but not for me. And when the cops are involved,
• 1:12:14
  they get away with everything. Regardless of
• 1:12:19
  your opinion on whether they should have or shouldn't
• 1:12:22
  have removed this Teresa -born Paul gal, who
• 1:12:26
  is batshit crazy, by the way. And I do not say
• 1:12:28
  that lightly. She deserved to be ejected. It
• 1:12:33
  was a private setting. The public was welcome,
• 1:12:37
  but it was not a public place, and a private
• 1:12:39
  organization paid to be there, so they had the
• 1:12:42
  right to remove anybody and trespass anybody.
• 1:12:45
  The Coeur d 'Alene PD is crazy wrong about that,
• 1:12:48
  and so is the mainstream narrative. The mainstream
• 1:12:52
  narrative is, oh, the freedom of speech. And
• 1:12:54
  it's like, well, sure, but you don't have the
• 1:12:55
  freedom to disrupt debate or conversations, or
• 1:12:59
  you don't have the right to disrupt events that
• 1:13:01
  are run by a private organization that spent
• 1:13:03
  its own money to rent out a public place, which
• 1:13:05
  then makes it private for that private organization.
• 1:13:08
  So this gal shows up and throws a fit and wrecks
• 1:13:12
  house and then they remove her. And the sheriff,
• 1:13:15
  Sheriff Norris was involved and he gets, he gets
• 1:13:18
  a top cover from the state attorney general,
• 1:13:21
  which is because what they did was not incorrect.
• 1:13:25
  And it was directed by Norris, which was not
• 1:13:28
  incorrect. The DOJ's decision makes sense. But
• 1:13:31
  it is astounding to me not surprising but astounding
• 1:13:35
  that the four private citizens Get put to the
• 1:13:38
  fire Just simmer on that for a minute and it
• 1:13:41
  tells you all you need to know about the way
• 1:13:43
  this shit works Well and the notion that the
• 1:13:46
  the mainstream like cares about freedom of speech
• 1:13:50
  and doesn't loathe it with every fiber of their
• 1:13:53
  being. Are you kidding me? They hate freedom
• 1:13:55
  of speech. You know, you should if you're if
• 1:13:57
  you're spreading quote COVID misinformation,
• 1:13:59
  you should be silenced by the social media platforms.
• 1:14:02
  I mean, they so obviously hate freedom of speech.
• 1:14:05
  Anytime you hear them busted out of something
• 1:14:06
  they care about, you know, they're just full
• 1:14:08
  of crap. They're just using it as a cudgel for
• 1:14:10
  whatever issue it is they they need to use it
• 1:14:12
  for. Whenever it's convenient for them, they
• 1:14:15
  bust it out one of the four guys is his name
• 1:14:18
  is Russ Dunn and he is a Very good fellow. I'm
• 1:14:24
  sad that he has to go through this Is the guy
• 1:14:27
  is about as straightforward as they go. He's
• 1:14:30
  the kind of dude I trust with my life We don't
• 1:14:32
  agree on everything for sure because he's definitely
• 1:14:34
  not an anarchist. He's not even a minarchist
• 1:14:36
  I don't even know if he's a libertarian. So we
• 1:14:37
  don't agree. We certainly don't agree on everything
• 1:14:39
  but you know family of He's got two or three
• 1:14:43
  kids a great wife good people and the fact that
• 1:14:46
  he has to now defend this which people don't
• 1:14:49
  realize as I've wound my way through the legal
• 1:14:52
  system in a couple of a couple of times in my
• 1:14:54
  life and it it is Uprooting and it just knocks
• 1:14:59
  everything out of place. It is expensive It is
• 1:15:03
  so stressful. It drags on forever and everything
• 1:15:07
  is counterintuitive and unjust and it does not
• 1:15:09
  make sense the legal system Does not protect
• 1:15:12
  victims it protects criminals and the legal system
• 1:15:15
  is a weapon wielded by those with the most money
• 1:15:19
  and power and If you don't believe me, it's because
• 1:15:23
  you've never been involved in it or been entangled
• 1:15:26
  with it yet It's a man conservatives. It amazes
• 1:15:30
  me how much faith conservatives still have in
• 1:15:33
  that system but I like I promise you all it takes
• 1:15:37
  is just get entangled in it and if you don't
• 1:15:40
  come away with a different perspective. It's
• 1:15:42
  because they want to. They need very badly to
• 1:15:46
  continue believing in the institutions of our
• 1:15:49
  society. And I understand why. I understand that
• 1:15:53
  need. But in many cases, I've observed that there's
• 1:15:56
  an inability to accept the reality, the lack
• 1:16:02
  of legitimacy. Maybe they started as one thing,
• 1:16:05
  but they've sort of become corrupted as institutions
• 1:16:09
  tend to do. Oh, yeah. Conservative trust in institutions
• 1:16:13
  is at an all time low, but for like the wrong
• 1:16:16
  reasons. And the moment that the quote unquote
• 1:16:20
  right people are back in charge for a short period
• 1:16:22
  of time, all of a sudden their trust jumps way
• 1:16:24
  back up again. That's actually happening right
• 1:16:26
  now with the Trump administration. All the MAGA
• 1:16:28
  people and the red hat wearers and the conservatives
• 1:16:30
  who somehow thought Trump was going to save them
• 1:16:33
  and fix all this stuff. Just because oh my guys
• 1:16:36
  in charge now, but what they fail to realize
• 1:16:38
  is it doesn't matter who's in charge The system
• 1:16:39
  still hates you and it's still designed against
• 1:16:41
  you. It doesn't matter who's in charge. It's
• 1:16:43
  a systemic issue There's also the part where
• 1:16:47
  they closed courts entirely during the mass psychosis
• 1:16:52
  How important do they actually really even believe?
• 1:16:56
  The institution is like oh, yes. No, it's fundamental.
• 1:16:59
  It's bedrock. It's a bedrock of our land Except
• 1:17:03
  for when we just close it completely public schools
• 1:17:06
  was I think the best illustration of that You
• 1:17:07
  know what it would chaos if we don't have public
• 1:17:11
  schools, and then they closed them and a lot
• 1:17:12
  of us went, huh? No, we actually life is better
• 1:17:17
  You go ahead and stay closed, please, you know,
• 1:17:19
  it's amazing too is and they everybody Everyone
• 1:17:23
  is pretending almost everyone is pretending like
• 1:17:26
  it never happened like they didn't close public
• 1:17:28
  schools in some places They were closed for two
• 1:17:31
  years And everyone has just moved right on and
• 1:17:35
  pretended like that never happened. And the thing
• 1:17:37
  is, is if you don't acknowledge it or give an
• 1:17:40
  indication that you have a sense of what happened,
• 1:17:44
  then it will, it can and will happen again. You
• 1:17:47
  have no defense against it. Okay, I have a couple
• 1:17:50
  more here before we... You get a bell for that,
• 1:17:53
  sorry. Slow on the uptake there, but there's
• 1:17:55
  a bell, sorry. Trying to get better about that.
• 1:17:57
  And in order to cut costs and boost security,
• 1:18:00
  the Idaho State Tax Commission is getting ready
• 1:18:02
  to make thousands of businesses go paperless
• 1:18:05
  when filing their taxes. The Tax Commission reporting
• 1:18:08
  that in 2025 they mailed out over 340 ,000 paper
• 1:18:13
  returns. The cost of that adding up pretty quickly.
• 1:18:16
  The Tax Commission says taxpayers will see those
• 1:18:19
  changes coming soon. Now what's amazing is they
• 1:18:22
  won't. It's not as if the taxpayers are going
• 1:18:25
  to pay less. It's just they'll have more money
• 1:18:27
  there to distribute to their own payrolls. It's
• 1:18:31
  not like, oh, we need to do this so we can tax
• 1:18:33
  you less. Oh my God, we're spending way too much
• 1:18:36
  money. Every time the government actually manages
• 1:18:39
  to save a buck, it doesn't mean the taxpayer
• 1:18:42
  gets it back and it doesn't mean our taxes go
• 1:18:45
  down. Ever. It never means that. It just means
• 1:18:47
  the government has more money to spend. How much
• 1:18:50
  you want to bet? that the Idaho Tax Commission
• 1:18:53
  will add some positions and spend more money
• 1:18:56
  on staff and bureaucracy or bureaucrats, I should
• 1:18:59
  say. Or even better, existing staff get like
• 1:19:04
  fucking, you know, 5%, 10 % raises and the people
• 1:19:07
  at the top who are already making six figures,
• 1:19:10
  like literally making money, stealing our money,
• 1:19:14
  and they will get more. Oh, by the way, you also,
• 1:19:17
  in the words of Ben Kenobi, it's as if A million
• 1:19:20
  boomer voices cried out and were silenced. You
• 1:19:23
  know how many old people are going to be pissed
• 1:19:25
  about having to go digital? Other accountants
• 1:19:27
  are going to love it. Like my accountant has
• 1:19:29
  forced me to go digital with everything and I
• 1:19:31
  hate it. But I do understand why they like it
• 1:19:34
  and I understand why it works. Definitely is
• 1:19:36
  more convenient. But man, I don't want my shit
• 1:19:38
  all over the Internet already more than it already
• 1:19:41
  is. I like paper. I'll admit I'm a Luddite. I
• 1:19:43
  like paper. I like to file it. I like to I like
• 1:19:46
  to look at it. I like to feel it like I'm weird.
• 1:19:48
  I like paper. It works. You know what I love
• 1:19:52
  doing with paper is lighting it on fire. Well,
• 1:19:57
  yeah. When you're when you're doing a show like
• 1:19:59
  any sort of a broadcast type of show, paper is
• 1:20:02
  very useful for like and then like stacking in
• 1:20:08
  front of the microphone. So it sounds very official.
• 1:20:10
  Like, you know, you're doing news stories. And
• 1:20:12
  tonight at 11, our top story. I do like to arrange
• 1:20:19
  my notes before I go on a screed. Okay, I think
• 1:20:23
  that is probably have a couple more but you know,
• 1:20:25
  I think we can save them For our next show. We
• 1:20:28
  do have one that we haven't covered that we don't
• 1:20:30
  cover here. We gotta cover next time and that
• 1:20:33
  is Coeur d 'Alene severance packages. Oh, I have
• 1:20:37
  that let's cover we we that's not that's not
• 1:20:40
  a good thing to miss Yes, I have that. Let's
• 1:20:42
  let's do it Coeur d 'Alene City Council is introducing
• 1:20:44
  a voluntary separation incentive program today.
• 1:20:48
  They're hoping it prompts some older employees
• 1:20:50
  to retire early. So with the proposal, people
• 1:20:53
  who retire early would get paid out for their
• 1:20:56
  sick leave, vacation, and service time. But retirees
• 1:21:00
  would have to opt out of the city's medical coverage.
• 1:21:03
  Right now, the city is in a budget deficit, so
• 1:21:05
  the point of this is to cut personnel costs.
• 1:21:08
  Which is always the biggest budget item. Always.
• 1:21:10
  Oh, by far. Yes, by far. it's especially with
• 1:21:13
  government in general it is for the private sector
• 1:21:15
  but in the private sector we're like hey what
• 1:21:17
  value do you bring to my business okay this value
• 1:21:19
  i'll pay you commiserate with your value if you
• 1:21:22
  work for the government or like how long have
• 1:21:23
  you been here 20 years what do you do we don't
• 1:21:25
  really know uh how six figures sound what would
• 1:21:29
  you say you do here i'm good with people okay
• 1:21:35
  i take their money i make them write it down
• 1:21:37
  on paper i take their money again and if they
• 1:21:40
  don't pay on time I send people to kidnap them
• 1:21:42
  and throw them in jail. I'm great with the customer.
• 1:21:44
  I'm good with the goddamn customers. Excellent.
• 1:21:50
  We'll pay you one hundred and fifty thousand
• 1:21:51
  dollars. Yeah. Oh, wait, shit, we can't afford
• 1:21:54
  that now. We spent it all on communist art. Oh,
• 1:21:57
  city of Coeur d 'Alene. How are we supposed to
• 1:21:59
  know it was communist? There's just that, you
• 1:22:01
  know, I if you just there's a hammer, there's
• 1:22:03
  a sickle. Oh, we were we missed it. We missed
• 1:22:06
  the imagery. Yeah, that's, you know, what's funny,
• 1:22:10
  too, is I'm sure you've probably had a similar
• 1:22:12
  experience, both having had retail hospitality
• 1:22:15
  establishments that ran payroll, which is that
• 1:22:19
  people that have not, which is almost everybody,
• 1:22:22
  people that have not operated retail hospital
• 1:22:25
  or really, I guess, any sort of a company with
• 1:22:28
  a payroll, they have no concept of the role and
• 1:22:31
  the line item that payroll is in the operations.
• 1:22:35
  Cost so what they'll do is they'll go they'll
• 1:22:37
  go. Oh, well, you know your rent and you're this
• 1:22:41
  maybe they have an understanding of like cost
• 1:22:43
  of goods You know, they seem to have some sort
• 1:22:45
  of rudimentary understanding that you have to
• 1:22:46
  like, you know Buy the cigars where you can turn
• 1:22:49
  around and sell them. So there is a cost It's
• 1:22:51
  not like if you sell a cigar for eight dollars,
• 1:22:53
  you just made eight dollars. Although, you know
• 1:22:55
  Even that's borderline. A lot of people don't
• 1:22:58
  seem to understand borderline quite that either
• 1:22:59
  if you're dealing with somebody with above average
• 1:23:01
  intelligence They typically can at least grasp
• 1:23:03
  that that part. That part sort of where it stops.
• 1:23:07
  Yes, but there's never almost almost never does
• 1:23:10
  anybody ever think about payroll despite the
• 1:23:13
  fact that payroll is your biggest line item and
• 1:23:16
  it isn't even close and that's in a private establishment
• 1:23:18
  where you must meet the payroll before you pay
• 1:23:22
  yourself it's not like the payroll administrators
• 1:23:24
  make the most and then you know the top level
• 1:23:27
  and it goes down from there that like the government
• 1:23:28
  apparatus because they pay themselves first on
• 1:23:31
  top of that payroll taxes which if you are a
• 1:23:35
  business owner you double pay because if you
• 1:23:37
  pay yourself you pay payroll taxes as an employee
• 1:23:40
  And you pay the payroll taxes as an employer.
• 1:23:43
  And then when you pay everybody else, you pay
• 1:23:44
  their payroll taxes as an employer. And it adds
• 1:23:48
  up to anywhere from 12 to 18%, depending on pay
• 1:23:50
  scales. So then you've got your employees who
• 1:23:54
  make X dollars an hour or X thousands of dollars
• 1:23:57
  a year. And they're always dissatisfied because,
• 1:24:01
  God, it should be more. And I always told my
• 1:24:04
  crew, I go, I would pay you 20 % more if the
• 1:24:06
  fucking government wouldn't take it. Like, payroll
• 1:24:10
  man. But when it comes to government, it's just
• 1:24:12
  maddening because it just don't suffer the same
• 1:24:15
  consequences. You can pay people damn near whatever
• 1:24:18
  you like until you get to the point where the
• 1:24:20
  Coeur d 'Alene is at and go, oh crap, we actually
• 1:24:23
  are maybe running out of money. And the taxpayer
• 1:24:27
  base, the people who live here, their taste for
• 1:24:29
  higher taxes is stretched already. Anyways. Take
• 1:24:33
  it away, Scott. Here was another way that this
• 1:24:35
  was reporting the same story, but it was just
• 1:24:37
  covered in slightly different words. And I just
• 1:24:40
  like to dissect the different presentations.
• 1:24:43
  What would you say? Whoops, not that one. The
• 1:24:46
  city of Coeur d 'Alene is thinking about offering
• 1:24:48
  retirement incentives to help balance their budget.
• 1:24:51
  They say it could save money if some longtime
• 1:24:53
  employees retire. The city would either delay
• 1:24:56
  replacing them or hire lower paid replacements.
• 1:24:59
  The city is in a $1 .8 million budget deficit
• 1:25:02
  even after a small property tax increase. About
• 1:25:05
  30 workers are eligible for retirement, including
• 1:25:08
  a few department heads. Who's gatekeeping what
• 1:25:17
  is a small, medium, and large amount? What a
• 1:25:20
  great question. It's that sort of stuff that
• 1:25:22
  gets snuck into these sorts of monologues or
• 1:25:26
  presentations. Everything is a script. I'm not
• 1:25:31
  blaming the talking head, it's just some dope.
• 1:25:33
  He's reading a teleprompter. Somebody plugged
• 1:25:36
  those words into the teleprompter. And I just
• 1:25:39
  always wonder what is the... Is the person who
• 1:25:41
  typed those words, are they thinking about what
• 1:25:43
  they're saying? You can just say a property tax
• 1:25:45
  increase. When you start putting adjectives in
• 1:25:48
  there, you're editorializing. That's the tactic
• 1:25:50
  that they have always used. Always. And when
• 1:25:53
  I say they, I mean the mainstream media and the
• 1:25:55
  bureaucrats and the government and the state
• 1:25:56
  and everybody involved in the whole shebang.
• 1:25:59
  One of the primary tactics and especially at
• 1:26:01
  the local level is, oh, it's just a little bit
• 1:26:03
  more. If you'll notice, especially when they
• 1:26:05
  talk about property taxes, what they do is they
• 1:26:08
  break it out. by number of dollars per hundred
• 1:26:11
  thousand dollars of home value anytime there's
• 1:26:14
  an article about it they always make a point
• 1:26:16
  to show that because when you break it out that
• 1:26:18
  way and you go oh and they go okay they're talking
• 1:26:19
  about a levy for example another levy you know
• 1:26:22
  so many levies but they're talking about oh another
• 1:26:25
  supplemental levy for post fall school district
• 1:26:27
  and it will only add five dollars and 76 cents
• 1:26:32
  per one hundred thousand dollars of taxable value
• 1:26:34
  that is on your home and then you look at that
• 1:26:37
  and go oh well that's that's pretty reasonable
• 1:26:39
  that's pretty small five dollars 76 cents hundred
• 1:26:42
  thousand dollars and then you go but wait a minute
• 1:26:44
  like my home has been valued at you know six
• 1:26:46
  hundred thousand dollars just by luck of living
• 1:26:49
  here and and everybody wants to live here so
• 1:26:52
  home prices are through the roof and the assessment
• 1:26:54
  levels are crazy high because hey higher tax
• 1:26:56
  base more money so let's say and the meat the
• 1:26:59
  median home sale value over the last year has
• 1:27:02
  been 550 grand so let's use that number five
• 1:27:04
  hundred and fifty grand that's five point five
• 1:27:06
  when you divide it by a hundred thousand five
• 1:27:08
  point five times five all right that's 30 some
• 1:27:11
  odd more bucks a year okay but then you stack
• 1:27:13
  that onto all the other line items that already
• 1:27:15
  exist on your property taxes and all of a sudden
• 1:27:17
  it's twelve hundred dollars a year but hey it
• 1:27:20
  was just just a little more it was just a little
• 1:27:22
  more only it was only it's just a little more
• 1:27:25
  this yeah only a little more And then the DMV
• 1:27:29
  raises their prices for registering your vehicle
• 1:27:31
  for two years, but it was only by $12. It's only
• 1:27:34
  a little more. And Avista raises their rates,
• 1:27:37
  but it's only by a little more. And then all
• 1:27:38
  of a sudden, you've only a little moored yourself
• 1:27:41
  into thousands of dollars more a year that you're
• 1:27:43
  paying. And this is a marketing tactic. It's
• 1:27:47
  a well -known one. A new from Mattel, G .I. Joe,
• 1:27:51
  only $29 .99. Saying only is very much a psychological
• 1:27:56
  marketing tactic to get people to think that
• 1:27:58
  whatever you just presented is reasonable now
• 1:28:00
  I understand why Mattel would do it because they're
• 1:28:02
  selling a product. Why is a Neutral news presentation
• 1:28:07
  doing it on behalf of government tax increases.
• 1:28:09
  Who are they marketing to who are they marketing
• 1:28:11
  for? it's very clever and the Mainstream narrative
• 1:28:17
  on this happening again at face value doesn't
• 1:28:20
  seem like such a big deal. You know, why are
• 1:28:21
  we harping on it? with this Coeur d 'Alene trying
• 1:28:24
  to decrease their workforce and the way they're
• 1:28:26
  doing it. It seems pretty, you know, pretty benign
• 1:28:29
  and in some ways a good thing. And actually it
• 1:28:31
  is a good thing to get, in my opinion, the fewer
• 1:28:33
  bureaucrats in the workforce but the better.
• 1:28:35
  Hell yeah, I'm for it. But it's important to
• 1:28:37
  note that they are openly admitting, and not
• 1:28:41
  so subtly if you know what you're looking for,
• 1:28:42
  they're openly admitting that they've run out
• 1:28:44
  of money so they have to get rid of the most
• 1:28:47
  expensive people. And that's what they're trying
• 1:28:48
  to do. We have way too many expensive people
• 1:28:51
  on our books. And the number of people who make
• 1:28:53
  six figures working for the city of Coeur d 'Alene
• 1:28:55
  is past two or three or four dozen. It's somewhere
• 1:28:58
  in the realm of 30 to 50 people at this point.
• 1:29:00
  And that's a lot, man. That is a lot. Coeur d
• 1:29:02
  'Alene is not a big town. And now they've got
• 1:29:04
  to get rid of some of them. The moral of the
• 1:29:05
  story is government sucks and people are expensive.
• 1:29:11
  Yes, yes, they are. And nobody realize. And,
• 1:29:14
  you know, just even finishing the thought, too,
• 1:29:15
  about, you know, Johnny Public not understanding.
• 1:29:18
  The notion of payroll. There's also a total lack
• 1:29:21
  of understanding of what it means to not run
• 1:29:25
  in the black which most Retail hospitality, you
• 1:29:30
  know, what is the failure rate of restaurants?
• 1:29:31
  You know is a frickin 80 % I remember the exact
• 1:29:33
  numbers, but it's very high. I think it's You're
• 1:29:36
  taking a big risk and that's not news, you know
• 1:29:38
  when you open up something like that But I've
• 1:29:40
  just had so many conversations with people where
• 1:29:42
  they just have absolutely no concept of what
• 1:29:44
  it means to not make money and need operating
• 1:29:48
  capital. In their minds, they think you're either
• 1:29:50
  making money or you're just at zero. Like, no,
• 1:29:53
  no, there's a burn rate. And the burn rate is
• 1:29:56
  really, really high. If you're not, if you, you
• 1:29:59
  know, if you don't do gangbusters right out of
• 1:30:01
  the gate, and that's why you need operating capital
• 1:30:03
  when you get started with something like that.
• 1:30:05
  And then you've got to have capital for, you
• 1:30:07
  know, a long time, many months, maybe a year,
• 1:30:09
  two years, whatever the number is for the type
• 1:30:11
  of business you're opening up. Like, you're going
• 1:30:13
  to have to cover a spread at the end of every
• 1:30:16
  month. And people just don't understand that
• 1:30:17
  at all. They're just like, oh, yeah, no, I'm
• 1:30:19
  going to open the wine bar. And this is what
• 1:30:21
  I'm look like out of the gate. Yeah. Well, what
• 1:30:22
  if you don't look like that out of the gate?
• 1:30:24
  Do you have 20 K a month to cover the gap where
• 1:30:27
  you going to get that from? Well, one of the
• 1:30:30
  biggest issues is that most folks have never
• 1:30:32
  done anything other than sign the back of a check.
• 1:30:35
  A lot of that is because most people just aren't
• 1:30:36
  entrepreneurs. They're not interested. They don't
• 1:30:38
  want to take the risk. So they don't want to
• 1:30:39
  do the work, because it is risky. And there's
• 1:30:41
  a lot of work, which is why entrepreneurs, those
• 1:30:42
  successful ones, typically tend to do well, because
• 1:30:45
  you're rewarded. You did the work. You took the
• 1:30:48
  risk. The market rewards that. Most people don't
• 1:30:51
  have it in them to do that. Furthermore, the
• 1:30:55
  farther along we get in society here, the harder
• 1:30:57
  it is to be an entrepreneur because the list
• 1:31:01
  of what we can do is dwarfed by the list of what
• 1:31:05
  we can't do. And to be a business owner is essentially
• 1:31:07
  to find ways around the government bullshit to
• 1:31:10
  make your business profitable and to keep it
• 1:31:13
  legal. The regulatory environment is insane.
• 1:31:16
  It is a slow, steady strangulation of creativity,
• 1:31:20
  innovation and market entrepreneurialism. The
• 1:31:23
  fact that anybody still makes it is a testament
• 1:31:26
  to how hard they work and how clever they are,
• 1:31:28
  truly. It's insanely hard. And people our age,
• 1:31:32
  I'm a millennial, millennial business owners
• 1:31:34
  barely exist. I mean, they're a phenomenon because
• 1:31:37
  it's so damn hard to run a business in this day
• 1:31:41
  and age. Not only that, it was not emphasized
• 1:31:44
  as something that you should try to do. by the
• 1:31:48
  mainstream, by your public education, by the
• 1:31:51
  messaging that society was giving you with the
• 1:31:54
  media you were consuming, really nowhere was
• 1:31:56
  entrepreneurialism emphasized as something desirable.
• 1:31:59
  It almost wasn't even brought up. It was just
• 1:32:01
  like, well, what are you going to do? You know,
• 1:32:03
  you're going to go to college, and then you're
• 1:32:05
  going to, what company are you going to go work
• 1:32:06
  for? for Boeing, you're going to go work for
• 1:32:09
  the Department of Whatever, who are you going
• 1:32:11
  to work for? It wasn't even presented as something
• 1:32:13
  you should strive for. Obviously, the amount
• 1:32:18
  of regulations and hoops and how unbelievably
• 1:32:20
  difficult it is under optimum conditions with
• 1:32:24
  none of that, how difficult it is to run in the
• 1:32:27
  black and be profitable. Then when you add all
• 1:32:28
  that stuff on top of it, it becomes next to impossible,
• 1:32:33
  not impossible because people do it, but but
• 1:32:35
  very, very difficult. And that's why you'll forgive
• 1:32:38
  me, local politician and bureaucrat, when I hear
• 1:32:42
  you talk about how business friendly you are,
• 1:32:44
  you'll forgive me if I don't really believe you.
• 1:32:48
  And even if you think, by the way, even if you
• 1:32:49
  think you think you are, let's like I'm not I'm
• 1:32:51
  not saying you're not genuine. I'll take I'll
• 1:32:54
  assume you are genuine. But then you just sort
• 1:32:56
  of like have a sort of lack of understanding
• 1:32:58
  of what the regulatory environment is truly like.
• 1:33:02
  Points to you. for both of those points, actually,
• 1:33:05
  you should get two bells for that. To add on
• 1:33:08
  to your point about politicians not understanding
• 1:33:11
  things or not being pro -business or thinking
• 1:33:13
  they're pro -business, there is a difference
• 1:33:15
  between being pro -free market and pro -business.
• 1:33:17
  So there are a lot of people out there and in
• 1:33:19
  this area included, I've witnessed it a lot,
• 1:33:22
  that are pro -business when it's their business
• 1:33:24
  or their friends' businesses. But they are not
• 1:33:27
  pro -free market. And that is the rule. around
• 1:33:30
  here in Coeur d 'Alene especially Sandpoint Postballs
• 1:33:33
  the people who control the machinations of the
• 1:33:38
  politics and the bigger businesses in the area
• 1:33:40
  they're pro -business for their businesses and
• 1:33:43
  for their friends businesses but they are not
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  interested in deregulating the markets they're
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  not interested in making it a freer marketplace
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  up here so that everybody can thrive they're
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  happy to be the big winners and they will lobby
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  for that Again and again, I saw that I will tell
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  this story real quick because it highlights exactly
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  thus I was a part of a men's business group for
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  all of about eight months when I After I had
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  just built the lounge the first time around the
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  bulldog pipe and cigar and they met down in Coeur
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  d 'Alene and had a luncheon I think it was every
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  other week and it was one of those like networking
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  business things where you get one guy from each
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  trade or from each industry, whatever. And, you
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  know, there's 24 of us and every other week,
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  one of us gives a presentation and we're all
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  supposed to support each other. And, you know,
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  the usual bullshit business networking thing.
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  And I thought, hey, I'll give this a try. I was
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  the youngest guy there easily by 10, 15, 20 years.
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  And I quickly realized that almost all those
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  guys were already entrenched, already established
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  most of their businesses they got from their
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  families or they did build themselves. But. within
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  these networks that already existed. They all
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  were realtors, bankers, title loan guys, developers,
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  builders. I mean, there almost wasn't a single
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  fucking one of them that did anything that wasn't
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  in the finance or real estate industries. And
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  they were just gross. Most of them were gross
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  dudes. A lot of handshaking, a lot of backdoor
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  deals. They had the levers to power. And when
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  Mark Eberlein, who was a Kootenai County Commissioner,
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  He is now again, but he was, I think now we're
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  going on 10 years ago, eight or nine years ago.
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  It was a big hole of a blue about Kootenai County
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  rolling back some of the requirements for universal
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  building code. So for people who wanted to build
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  their own houses or have private builders build
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  their houses, some of the regulations, because
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  Kootenai County is renowned for being one of
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  the worst, one of the worst counties to deal
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  with for building code. It's they're god awful.
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  And it impedes growth and it makes it way way
• 1:35:46
  way more expensive so again back to that thing
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  you know you want to know what housing is so
• 1:35:49
  expensive blame Kootenay County for one they
• 1:35:51
  hold it all back and make it 25 more expensive
• 1:35:54
  but Mark Eberlein was trying to make it less
• 1:35:56
  expensive and give property rights back to homeowners
• 1:35:58
  and people who wanted to build property on build
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  on their property so he said hey some of this
• 1:36:04
  universal building code that is extra let's roll
• 1:36:07
  that back and it passed now it didn't mean there
• 1:36:10
  weren't any codes there still was state codes
• 1:36:12
  so for electrical for plumbing for all the stuff
• 1:36:14
  that really matters The state codes still stood
• 1:36:18
  it's like there was a bare minimum in the minimum
• 1:36:20
  was still pretty high. So it wasn't like chaos
• 1:36:23
  or anarchy there are no codes but but that's
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  how it was presented when it passed. And so all
• 1:36:29
  of these dudes drawn it back into this lunch
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  in group who were involved in the building industries
• 1:36:34
  the real estate association industries the builder
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  association industries the banking industries
• 1:36:38
  all came out against mark everline and what had
• 1:36:40
  just happened because in there because. It's
• 1:36:43
  chaos now. It's anarchy. If there are no codes,
• 1:36:46
  basically their entire formula for how they all
• 1:36:49
  make money and rip everybody off in a big way
• 1:36:53
  now has less force behind it. You don't need
• 1:36:57
  them as much if you have more freedom with your
• 1:37:00
  property. I don't need a contractor heavily if
• 1:37:05
  I don't have to navigate as many codes. And it
• 1:37:08
  costs me less. So the Builders Association is
• 1:37:11
  against it. We don't need realtors and title
• 1:37:13
  companies involved as much if there's fewer legalities
• 1:37:15
  around it or ways I can get sued. So, you know,
• 1:37:18
  they're not happy about it, so on and so forth.
• 1:37:20
  The banks aren't happy about it because, of course,
• 1:37:21
  in their minds, it's anarchy. And now everything
• 1:37:24
  we have a mortgage on is going to be worthless
• 1:37:26
  because it might burn down. So they ousted Mark
• 1:37:29
  Everline. And in this group of guys, they were
• 1:37:33
  just so nasty about it. And that's when I realized,
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  oh, you guys aren't for free markets and you're
• 1:37:37
  not for freedom. You're pro -business. but you
• 1:37:41
  are not pro -freedom or free markets. And so
• 1:37:44
  that is what most people up here are like, to
• 1:37:48
  your point. Sorry, that was a long way to get
• 1:37:49
  there, but people have this misconception of
• 1:37:51
  North Idaho, especially when they move here,
• 1:37:54
  that it's all copacetic and everybody's a, you
• 1:37:57
  know, Republicans are all greater conservatives
• 1:37:59
  and it's very freedom -minded. No, it's fucking
• 1:38:00
  not actually. There's a few of us who actually
• 1:38:03
  are freedom -minded and everybody else is like
• 1:38:06
  some mild version of blue dog Democrat. And it's
• 1:38:10
  just it's relative. So relative to Berkeley,
• 1:38:13
  it is very freedom minded. Relative to freedom.
• 1:38:17
  It's not very freedom minded, nor is really no
• 1:38:19
  only is anywhere because because everywhere is
• 1:38:24
  filled with humans. And humans are not freedom
• 1:38:26
  minded. And then it ties back into what we were
• 1:38:28
  talking about just a minute ago with the public
• 1:38:30
  education system being designed to funnel people
• 1:38:33
  through to be workers, not to be entrepreneurs.
• 1:38:36
  Entrepreneurship is is a different form of freedom
• 1:38:39
  that most people don't want. They're not interested
• 1:38:42
  in, they're scared of, and they don't want to
• 1:38:43
  do the work. So people are economically illiterate
• 1:38:46
  because they have no concept of how business
• 1:38:49
  works or what it takes to make it work and how
• 1:38:51
  the government makes it infinitely harder. Which
• 1:38:55
  is I don't mind necessarily that like you friend
• 1:38:59
  who I'm having a conversation with that I don't
• 1:39:01
  mind that you don't know. I only mind that you
• 1:39:04
  talk about it as if you do. And then when I point
• 1:39:06
  out that you don't know, you don't hear anything
• 1:39:08
  that I'm saying. I don't blame people. I don't
• 1:39:12
  know a lot of stuff, too. But I would try to
• 1:39:16
  catch myself. I try to catch myself in these
• 1:39:18
  sorts of conversations where, well, wait a minute.
• 1:39:21
  Am I really going to dismiss anarcho -capitalism?
• 1:39:23
  Do I know anything about it? A lot of the time
• 1:39:26
  when people, regular people, talk economics,
• 1:39:29
  in my head, what I hear them say is, Wish everybody
• 1:39:33
  had infinity dollars and then I just look at
• 1:39:35
  him like and I just want to tell him go to your
• 1:39:36
  room until you read Milton Friedman You just
• 1:39:39
  you just stay there until you read an economics
• 1:39:41
  book or Thomas soul And then we'll have a conversation
• 1:39:44
  and then I'll let you out of your room and we'll
• 1:39:46
  talk like adults Yeah, we have to have like a
• 1:39:50
  common baseline we have to be coming we have
• 1:39:51
  to understand what premises we're coming from
• 1:39:54
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• 1:39:57
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• 1:40:07
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• 1:40:12
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• 1:40:14
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• 1:40:16
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• 1:40:18
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• 1:40:21
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• 1:40:23
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• 1:40:26
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• 1:40:28
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