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Project Looking Glass: Timelines, Gray Aliens, And The Mandela Effect · Aliens? Yes! But Maybe No | UFOs, UAPs & Alien Mysteries

• 0:03
  Josh: Aliens?
• 0:04
  Travis: Aliens.
• 0:05
  Josh: Aliens.
• 0:07
  Travis: Yes.
• 0:09
  Travis: But maybe no.
• 0:18
  Travis: Uh-oh, who's that?
• 0:20
  Travis: Oh, it's us.
• 0:22
  Travis: Aliens, yes, but maybe no of Josh and Travis.
• 0:24
  Travis: I'm Travis.
• 0:25
  Travis: I'm Josh.
• 0:27
  Travis: This is an otherworldly podcast as ambiguous as our title.
• 0:30
  Josh: Yeah.
• 0:30
  Travis: Do you like how I came in hot with that?
• 0:32
  Josh: Yeah, you came in real hot.
• 0:33
  Josh: Yeah, I did.
• 0:34
  Josh: I like it.
• 0:35
  Josh: More of that.
• 0:36
  Travis: I'm not here to mess around today.
• 0:38
  Josh: I could tell.
• 0:39
  Josh: It was sexy.
• 0:43
  Travis: Yeah, man.
• 0:44
  Travis: Uh are you blushing?
• 0:46
  Travis: I am a little bit.
• 0:47
  Travis: Yep.
• 0:48
  Travis: It's okay.
• 0:48
  Travis: Nobody has ever said that about me.
• 0:50
  Travis: So that's really nice to hear.
• 0:51
  Travis: Thank you, Josh.
• 0:52
  Josh: Yep.
• 0:52
  Josh: I'm here for you, buddy.
• 0:54
  Josh: What's going on?
• 0:54
  Josh: What's going on with you?
• 0:56
  Travis: Not much, man.
• 0:57
  Travis: What's going on with you?
• 0:58
  Travis: What do you mean?
• 0:59
  Travis: Oh man.
• 1:00
  Josh: So little.
• 1:01
  Josh: Do you think I was gonna say a lot?
• 1:02
  Travis: I mean it would be great because then we could fill the space with what you've been up to.
• 1:06
  Travis: But since you said a little, uh-oh.
• 1:08
  Travis: Yeah.
• 1:08
  Travis: What are we gonna talk about?
• 1:10
  Josh: No, just working on becoming the best self I can be.
• 1:15
  Travis: Did you laugh at that?
• 1:16
  Josh: Yeah.
• 1:17
  Josh: It's cliche.
• 1:18
  Travis: Oh, that's what we all want.
• 1:19
  Josh: It is.
• 1:20
  Travis: We all want you to be the best self you can be.
• 1:22
  Josh: I'm always working towards it.
• 1:23
  Travis: Yeah.
• 1:24
  Josh: Just not as fast as I'd like to most days.
• 1:25
  Travis: No, I'm saying that's what we all want.
• 1:27
  Travis: We all want you to be the best you can be.
• 1:29
  Josh: Oh, me to be my best.
• 1:30
  Josh: Oh.
• 1:31
  Travis: We're all working towards you being the best.
• 1:33
  Josh: Oh shit.
• 1:34
  Travis: Yeah, we're putting our careers on the line.
• 1:36
  Travis: Oh.
• 1:36
  Travis: To make you the best.
• 1:37
  Travis: Damn.
• 1:38
  Travis: So don't let us down, Josh.
• 1:41
  Travis: We got a lot of writing on this, buddy.
• 1:43
  Josh: This is a lot of pressure.
• 1:45
  Travis: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46
  Travis: But you're cool, right?
• 1:47
  Travis: You can handle it.
• 1:48
  Josh: No.
• 1:48
  Josh: I'm gonna shut down now.
• 1:50
  Travis: Oh no, I can do it.
• 1:53
  Travis: I can do it.
• 1:54
  Travis: I know you can.
• 1:54
  Travis: I believe in you.
• 1:55
  Travis: Yeah.
• 1:56
  Travis: I have to.
• 1:56
  Travis: You do.
• 1:57
  Travis: What's the alternative?
• 1:58
  Josh: Losing a lot of money.
• 2:00
  Travis: Yep, yep.
• 2:00
  Travis: Being broke.
• 2:01
  Josh: Do you remember what we did last time?
• 2:04
  Josh: You should.
• 2:05
  Travis: Not a clue.
• 2:06
  Travis: Tell me what we did.
• 2:07
  Travis: Wait, is it Majestic 12?
• 2:09
  Travis: Does it have to do with the shirt you're wearing?
• 2:10
  Josh: No, it doesn't have to do with Majestic 12.
• 2:12
  Travis: Oh.
• 2:13
  Josh: But thanks for noticing the shirt.
• 2:15
  Josh: That was really nice.
• 2:15
  Josh: Shout out Josh's shirt.
• 2:17
  Josh: It was the Mothman.
• 2:19
  Travis: Oh, my old friend Mothman.
• 2:22
  Josh: Yeah.
• 2:23
  Josh: That one was really fun.
• 2:25
  Travis: It was fun.
• 2:25
  Josh: Starting this, you know, I thought we were just gonna do aliens.
• 2:28
  Josh: I didn't know we were gonna get into cryptids.
• 2:30
  Josh: I also didn't know a lot of cryptids had alien origins.
• 2:34
  Josh: But I'm really enjoying the cryptid episodes too.
• 2:36
  Travis: They're fun.
• 2:37
  Travis: And like we talked about before the record today, it's aliens all the way down, man.
• 2:42
  Travis: Everything's an alien, even we are potentially.
• 2:45
  Travis: Well, depends on what I mean.
• 2:46
  Travis: Anunnaki brought us here.
• 2:48
  Travis: Yeah.
• 2:49
  Travis: For cheap labor.
• 2:50
  Travis: We're grays in 52,000 years.
• 2:53
  Travis: Maybe.
• 2:54
  Travis: What a what a world.
• 2:56
  Travis: What a timeline.
• 2:57
  Josh: Or in a different timeline, we could be different Grays.
• 3:00
  Josh: Get out of here.
• 3:01
  Josh: Yeah.
• 3:02
  Josh: Different grays.
• 3:03
  Josh: Yeah.
• 3:04
  Travis: P52.
• 3:05
  Travis: Or P45.
• 3:06
  Josh: We're alluding to things.
• 3:08
  Josh: We're doing little inside jokes about this topic that we're gonna get to.
• 3:11
  Travis: They're gonna be outside jokes pretty soon.
• 3:13
  Travis: They will be.
• 3:14
  Travis: You guys are gonna rewind this episode and be like, oh, I get it now.
• 3:19
  Travis: No one's gonna rewind.
• 3:21
  Travis: They're gonna be hilarious.
• 3:22
  Travis: You just wait 40 more minutes.
• 3:24
  Travis: It's gonna be really funny.
• 3:25
  Travis: We're laying the groundwork to these jokes.
• 3:27
  Josh: So, what do you remember from Mothman?
• 3:30
  Travis: I remember that he flies, he has glowing red eyes, and he usually shows up right before a great something.
• 3:36
  Travis: He's usually a forecaster of something to happen.
• 3:40
  Josh: Yeah.
• 3:41
  Josh: And that was around the same time with Indrid Cold as well.
• 3:45
  Josh: Sure.
• 3:46
  Josh: Same area.
• 3:47
  Travis: He's definitely not an owl.
• 3:48
  Josh: No.
• 3:49
  Josh: He's a moth.
• 3:50
  Travis: Yes.
• 3:50
  Josh: Even though the government's saying it's an owl.
• 3:52
  Josh: He doesn't have a big smile like Indrid Cold.
• 3:54
  Josh: But he does fly.
• 3:55
  Josh: He did have a movie.
• 3:57
  Josh: That's right.
• 3:57
  Josh: Mm-hmm.
• 3:58
  Josh: Yeah, that was.
• 3:59
  Josh: I like the Mothman.
• 4:01
  Josh: Yeah.
• 4:01
  Josh: I think I am a Mothman.
• 4:03
  Josh: Yeah, Mothman fan.
• 4:04
  Josh: But do you remember how you did on the quiz?
• 4:07
  Josh: Terrible.
• 4:08
  Josh: I think I did too.
• 4:09
  Travis: Yeah, we both did really bad.
• 4:11
  Travis: I think you did slightly better than I did.
• 4:13
  Josh: But not well.
• 4:14
  Travis: No, because this is some wack-adoo stuff that we're gonna get into today.
• 4:18
  Josh: Yeah, we're gonna be talking about Project Looking Glass.
• 4:21
  Josh: Yep.
• 4:21
  Josh: And you and I had no idea what that meant, other than we had an image.
• 4:26
  Travis: It's like a reference to Alice through the looking glass.
• 4:29
  Josh: Yeah, there was the rabbit up at the top of the quiz.
• 4:32
  Josh: Okay, so I'll just start off.
• 4:34
  Josh: So this is gonna be the Project Looking Glass.
• 4:37
  Josh: A lot of people have the same weird feeling.
• 4:40
  Josh: Time doesn't feel the way it used to.
• 4:42
  Josh: Decades used to have clear identities.
• 4:44
  Josh: The 60s felt like the 60s, the 80s, the 80s, but the newer decades feel a little foggy, a little weird.
• 4:51
  Josh: Some people trace that sensation back to a very specific moment.
• 4:55
  Josh: The night of December 31st, 1999.
• 4:59
  Travis: What?
• 4:59
  Josh: Yeah.
• 5:00
  Travis: That's when we were all partying like it was 1999.
• 5:03
  Josh: I know.
• 5:04
  Travis: That's the night before Y2K.
• 5:06
  Josh: I know.
• 5:06
  Josh: What were you doing?
• 5:07
  Josh: And everyone was holding their breath.
• 5:09
  Josh: I don't I don't even think I stayed up.
• 5:11
  Josh: Maybe I did.
• 5:11
  Josh: I may have banged a couple pots and pans.
• 5:13
  Josh: Oh man.
• 5:14
  Travis: Well, that's very kind that your parents didn't share how terrifying that night was for a lot of us.
• 5:19
  Travis: I was 19, just turned 19.
• 5:21
  Josh: I just turned 13.
• 5:22
  Josh: Not a care in the world for me.
• 5:24
  Travis: I remember it being pretty scary.
• 5:25
  Josh: Hmm.
• 5:25
  Travis: Like not knowing exactly what was going to happen.
• 5:28
  Travis: I knew about it, but I didn't care.
• 5:30
  Travis: It was supposed to be like the collapse of all of our banking systems.
• 5:33
  Josh: Yeah.
• 5:34
  Josh: And they spent a ridiculous amount of money worldwide to update the system so that it something didn't happen.
• 5:40
  Travis: Well, they tried to, but they were like, eventually just resigned.
• 5:43
  Travis: They're like, there's nothing we can do.
• 5:44
  Travis: It's gonna just do what it's gonna do.
• 5:46
  Travis: We can't change it.
• 5:47
  Travis: So we just hope for the best.
• 5:49
  Travis: And then like all of these steps that they put in to prevent whatever they thought was gonna happen didn't happen anyway.
• 5:56
  Travis: Yeah.
• 5:57
  Travis: And the system was just like, Yeah, I'm not an idiot.
• 6:00
  Travis: I know that it's not gonna be 1900.
• 6:02
  Travis: I'm not gonna just reset the clock.
• 6:04
  Josh: Everything just and it just turns into log cabins.
• 6:08
  unknown: Yep.
• 6:09
  Travis: Yep.
• 6:10
  Travis: All of our cars turned into bicycles and horses.
• 6:13
  Josh: Yeah.
• 6:14
  Travis: Penny farthings.
• 6:15
  Josh: Those are the big wheel and the little wheel bikes.
• 6:18
  Travis: Suck.
• 6:18
  Travis: Those are the dumbest idea.
• 6:19
  Travis: You need like a that requires like a buddy system.
• 6:22
  Travis: I would imagine.
• 6:23
  Travis: Yeah.
• 6:24
  Travis: Or a ladder and then like insane balance.
• 6:27
  Travis: I mean, at least a garage.
• 6:29
  Travis: You can't just store that in your house.
• 6:30
  Travis: Well, it's not like anybody's gonna steal it, hop on it, and make a quick getaway.
• 6:34
  Travis: That's true.
• 6:35
  Travis: And even if they do, you're just like, yeah, it's the guy on that fucking stupid-looking bike.
• 6:39
  Josh: Yeah, they can never use it.
• 6:41
  Josh: Yep.
• 6:42
  Josh: So Y2K, everyone is expecting a global system fail, but when the clock rolled over, nothing happened and everyone moved on, right?
• 6:50
  Travis: Personally, yes, but there was like a huge vacuum.
• 6:55
  Travis: Imagine anticipating something for an entire year and you're getting ready for it, whatever that looks like for you.
• 7:02
  Travis: You know, you've got your bug out cabin, or you're building your stores up in your pantry, you're getting ready for whatever, you're buying toilet paper, and there was a lot of that.
• 7:11
  Travis: Just getting ready for something.
• 7:13
  Travis: And then when it doesn't happen, it's just like, I don't know, it's just like looking into a a void.
• 7:18
  Travis: You're just like you're like, now what?
• 7:20
  Travis: Where do I put all this energy?
• 7:22
  Travis: Yeah.
• 7:22
  Josh: Yeah.
• 7:23
  Josh: And you know, a surprising number of people actually did say something changed, but it wasn't the technology.
• 7:29
  Josh: Yeah.
• 7:30
  Josh: It was our reality or our experience of reality, which is weird.
• 7:35
  Josh: So there's a fringe theory that claims this wasn't just a psychological shift or a side effect of the digital age.
• 7:41
  Josh: It claims the US government was running a classified program designed to look into the future itself, a machine built from exotic technology capable of viewing possible timelines and revealing a point in history humanity couldn't move past.
• 7:55
  Josh: And that program is known as Project Looking Glass.
• 7:58
  Josh: This is already wild.
• 8:00
  Josh: So we're going to break down why a device like that was built in the first place and why some believe that the act of looking into our future may have permanently altered the path that we are on.
• 8:12
  Travis: Yep.
• 8:13
  Travis: So let's talk a little bit about why this was created, Project Looking Glass.
• 8:18
  Travis: Yeah.
• 8:18
  Travis: Before getting into how the looking glass worked, there's a more basic question that doesn't get asked enough.
• 8:23
  Travis: Why build a machine like this at all?
• 8:26
  Travis: Even if you had the technology, what problem was this thing meant to solve?
• 8:30
  Travis: Right?
• 8:30
  Travis: And that's like a good question to ask retroactively.
• 8:33
  Travis: Like you build something, well, why did we build this?
• 8:35
  Travis: What is its purpose?
• 8:37
  Travis: So, according to the theory, Project Looking Glass was created out of fear of the unknown, and this device was the ultimate intelligence tool.
• 8:45
  Travis: So post-World War II and Cold War mindset was that humanity had just unlocked nuclear weapons.
• 8:51
  Travis: Spooky.
• 8:52
  Travis: Uh yeah, terrifying.
• 8:54
  Travis: For the first time in history, humans could end civilizations on purpose, like intentionally.
• 8:59
  Josh: That's a weird statement.
• 9:01
  Travis: Yeah, it makes your stomach drop.
• 9:03
  Travis: It does.
• 9:04
  Travis: Governments became obsessed with prevention, prediction, and control.
• 9:07
  Travis: If you could see future outcomes, you could avoid nuclear war, win political or geopolitical standoffs before they even started, and stay one move ahead of your adversaries.
• 9:17
  Travis: Yeah.
• 9:18
  Travis: Now there's a God's eye view temptation, not necessarily about changing the future, but choosing the best one, a belief that history could be optimized and that chaos could be reduced to probabilities, right?
• 9:28
  Travis: So like you can kind of control chaos a little bit.
• 9:31
  Travis: You can organize it.
• 9:33
  Josh: Yeah.
• 9:33
  Josh: And I mean, just having the knowledge itself of everything, also having that technology, I think, would also help you understand and maybe organize the chaos so that you could control it.
• 9:46
  Travis: And essentially, I don't know if you read Choose Your Own Adventure novels.
• 9:50
  Josh: I a couple.
• 9:51
  Travis: I was obsessed with them, and a lot of people that were of my generation read a lot of them, those that were reading.
• 9:57
  Travis: And there was a thing that you would do when you're reading a choose your own adventure is you'd see what your options were.
• 10:02
  Travis: So it'd say, like, Yeah, to have this happen, go to page 54, to have this happen, go to page this.
• 10:08
  Travis: And so what you would do is you'd hold your finger where it was, and then you'd go to page 54 and you'd read that.
• 10:14
  Travis: And sometimes it would say, like, oh, you died, you fell off a cliff.
• 10:17
  Travis: So you just go back to that and then you choose another option.
• 10:20
  Travis: No, no, no, no, no.
• 10:20
  Travis: I don't want that one.
• 10:21
  Travis: I don't want that one because like this is fun.
• 10:23
  Josh: Yeah.
• 10:23
  Travis: And that's kind of what I guess this is implying is you're not just changing the future because that's like a simplistic thing.
• 10:31
  Travis: Me taking this drink of water now is gonna change my immediate future.
• 10:35
  Travis: I'm gonna have to pee, right?
• 10:36
  Travis: Yeah, but now I can say I well, maybe I peed before, and so drinking the water.
• 10:41
  Travis: I don't know.
• 10:41
  Travis: This is not a very accurate metaphor, but it is an interesting one.
• 10:46
  Josh: Yeah.
• 10:47
  Travis: Being able to choose not just a future, but choose the best one, giving yourself options.
• 10:52
  Travis: I mean, and knowledge is power.
• 10:54
  Travis: So why time viewing beats time travel?
• 10:57
  Travis: Three reasons.
• 10:58
  Travis: Time travel introduces paradoxes immediately.
• 11:01
  Travis: Bad.
• 11:01
  Travis: Bad.
• 11:02
  Josh: Real bad, don't do it.
• 11:03
  Travis: Don't do it.
• 11:04
  Travis: Uh viewing timelines allows decision makers to intervene without crossing the line.
• 11:09
  Josh: Okay.
• 11:09
  Travis: And in theory, it keeps hands clean while still shaping outcomes.
• 11:13
  Travis: So you have less blood on your hands, I guess, because you're choosing the less bad version.
• 11:16
  Josh: Yeah, hopefully.
• 11:17
  Travis: Yeah.
• 11:18
  Travis: And there's going to be if you're able to control futures, there's there's a lot of, I'm sure, a lot of blood on on hands to even be able to have that sort of ability.
• 11:28
  Travis: Like all the necks you had to step on to get there.
• 11:31
  Josh: Yeah.
• 11:31
  Josh: I mean, at least me, when I think about it, I think of changing my future.
• 11:36
  Josh: But when you think of like a global or a society, their future, and that just is hard to comprehend.
• 11:43
  Josh: I wouldn't even know what to change.
• 11:44
  Josh: No, because we're dummies.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:46
  Travis: What would I change?
• 11:47
  Travis: I would change lottery numbers so I would win.
• 11:50
  Travis: Like it would be so personal and tiny of a change.
• 11:55
  Travis: But then that would itself cause ripples, right?
• 11:58
  Travis: Right.
• 11:59
  Travis: Like me being able to afford to take care of my family and not have to worry.
• 12:03
  Travis: But then I would be creating like a small economy here in where I live.
• 12:07
  Travis: And generational wealth.
• 12:08
  Travis: And generational wealth, correct.
• 12:10
  Travis: But I would be spending that money, putting that money back into this local economy.
• 12:14
  Josh: That's true.
• 12:15
  Travis: In a small way.
• 12:16
  Travis: Right.
• 12:16
  Travis: And then I would need to hire money managers and bankers, and you know, and that would create jobs.
• 12:22
  Travis: And so I would be like a very small economy winning that money.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
• 12:27
  Travis: So to be able to view that timeline and say like how I could affect people within my immediate bubble.
• 12:32
  Josh: To blow that up and have it the entire world.
• 12:35
  Travis: That's wild.
• 12:36
  Travis: It's wild.
• 12:36
  Travis: And to have like just just thinking of all the possibilities.
• 12:40
  Travis: It's insane.
• 12:41
  Josh: Yeah, it makes my head hurt.
• 12:42
  Travis: Okay.
• 12:42
  Travis: So additional reasoning.
• 12:44
  Travis: This is an optimistic version.
• 12:45
  Travis: You'd have insurance against extinction-level events like asteroids, solar flares, pandemics.
• 12:50
  Travis: That'd be nice.
• 12:51
  Travis: An early warning system for societal collapse.
• 12:54
  Travis: That would be great, also, right?
• 12:56
  Josh: Yeah.
• 12:56
  Travis: A way to validate long-term policy decisions decades or centuries in advance.
• 13:01
  Josh: Hmm.
• 13:02
  Travis: Now we're going to get into some darker, more sinister motivations.
• 13:06
  Travis: The pessimistic version.
• 13:07
  Josh: This is where you thrive.
• 13:09
  Travis: No, I don't like this.
• 13:10
  Travis: No, I don't either.
• 13:11
  Travis: I am an optimistic person.
• 13:13
  Travis: And I would want humanity as a whole to be raised.
• 13:16
  Travis: I would think a rising tide raises all ships.
• 13:18
  Travis: So having access to this, I would want the entire world to benefit all of humanity, not just the United States or the Western world, right?
• 13:25
  Travis: Damn.
• 13:26
  Travis: That's me personally.
• 13:27
  Travis: Anyway, so once leaders believe the future is visible, free will becomes negotiable, which is fucking terrifying.
• 13:33
  Josh: Once leaders believe the future is visible, free will becomes negotiable.
• 13:37
  Travis: Yeah, now we're looking at fate.
• 13:39
  Travis: So it's not our choice.
• 13:41
  Travis: So none of our decisions are our own.
• 13:44
  Travis: They would control they would control the our decisions.
• 13:47
  Travis: So we no longer have the option to choose our own destiny.
• 13:50
  Travis: If a future looks bad, in quotes, intervention feels justified.
• 13:54
  Josh: Which means you can step on whoever you want.
• 13:56
  Travis: Yeah, but bad is also subjective because bad is like from the eyes of whoever is looking at it.
• 14:02
  Travis: Like seeing Japan or China become a world power.
• 14:05
  Josh: We would think that's bad, but that's good to them.
• 14:07
  Travis: Yeah, but it's good to them.
• 14:08
  Travis: So if a future looks inevitable, resistance starts to feel pointless.
• 14:13
  Travis: So you wouldn't see people protesting because they would just they would just give in.
• 14:16
  Travis: It's just like you don't have free will.
• 14:18
  Travis: There's no choice.
• 14:18
  Travis: Yeah.
• 14:19
  Travis: Now we're just in the mud forever.
• 14:21
  Travis: Sucks.
• 14:22
  Josh: Yeah.
• 14:22
  Josh: Well, let's do the optimistic version.
• 14:24
  Josh: Okay.
• 14:24
  Josh: I like that better.
• 14:25
  Travis: Yeah, let's do it.
• 14:26
  Travis: Let's choose optimism.
• 14:28
  Travis: I like that one better too.
• 14:29
  Josh: Yeah.
• 14:30
  Josh: So here are the alleged origins of the ancient instructions and the back-engineered extraterrestrial tech for this device called Project Looking Glass.
• 14:40
  Josh: So Project Looking Glass, if it's real, most likely wasn't built from normal human innovation.
• 14:46
  Josh: Some believe it was assembled from a blueprint of ancient artifacts, then got fused with recovered non-human technology at black sites.
• 14:55
  Josh: So the ancient instructions claim Sumerian cylinder seals.
• 14:59
  Travis: That's quite a tongue twister.
• 15:00
  Josh: Yeah.
• 15:01
  Josh: Sumerian cylinder seals.
• 15:03
  Josh: So Sumerian cylinder seals supposedly contained guidance for accessing wormholes or space-time gateways.
• 15:10
  Travis: So can you explain to us what a Sumerian cylinder is?
• 15:14
  Josh: Yes.
• 15:15
  Josh: The Sumerians back in the day, they would have basically what looks like a small toilet roll.
• 15:21
  Josh: Yep.
• 15:21
  Josh: They would have engravings on it and they would rub it in ink, and then they would roll that on a piece of paper for business transactions.
• 15:29
  Travis: More likely leather at that time.
• 15:31
  Josh: Yeah.
• 15:31
  Josh: Transactions or just to claim something.
• 15:34
  Josh: Basically, just a rolling stamp.
• 15:36
  Josh: Yeah.
• 15:36
  Josh: So they're saying that one of these little stamp rollers from Sumeria had information about wormholes and opening space-time gateways.
• 15:45
  Travis: Yeah.
• 15:46
  Travis: Like, congratulations, those guys, for communicating a very complex quantum physics idea on a tube, right?
• 15:54
  Travis: Like a tube that's as big as like a cardboard inside of a roll of toy paper.
• 15:59
  Josh: Yeah.
• 15:59
  Josh: They wrote in clay and they used lines and triangles.
• 16:04
  Travis: Sure.
• 16:04
  Travis: I'm just saying, like it is a theory.
• 16:07
  Travis: They're still working out a lot of the ideas for a lot of quantum mechanics, right?
• 16:11
  Travis: Yeah.
• 16:12
  Travis: And supposedly this is all worked out on just a cylinder that you could roll out on a piece of leather.
• 16:19
  Josh: Yeah.
• 16:19
  Travis: Or a series of cylinders if you if you did it in the right sequence, it would all make sense.
• 16:23
  Josh: One of the videos that we watched, the Y files, he kind of goes into the origin story of how the US government got their hands on this piece of ancient history.
• 16:34
  Josh: Yeah.
• 16:35
  Josh: Basically, it's fascinating.
• 16:36
  Josh: So I'll link that in the show notes.
• 16:38
  Josh: But where did this cylinder come from?
• 16:40
  Josh: So who planted it here?
• 16:42
  Josh: It was seeded by an ancient race like the Anunnaki.
• 16:46
  Josh: Your favorite.
• 16:47
  Josh: Oh.
• 16:48
  Josh: Or it was seeded by future humans, the P45s, as a Trojan horse.
• 16:54
  Josh: So yeah, we'll get into what the P45s are in just a little bit.
• 16:57
  Josh: But there's also the fusion claim of the origin of this is that this ancient instruction set gets combined with back-engineered UFO tech recovered from crashes.
• 17:07
  Josh: So we have a researcher note here that says important theme to highlight.
• 17:14
  Josh: The future influenced the past, so the past builds the tool to create the future.
• 17:19
  Travis: So, like what we talked about, or not what we talked about, but what Wi-File's video talked about was I'm going to try to say this as succinctly as possible, but basically, Grays are humans 52,000 years in the future, right?
• 17:32
  Travis: And they are experimenting on humans now to create a better version of themselves 52,000 years from now.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Ugh.
• 17:42
  Travis: Right?
• 17:42
  Travis: So, like put that in your old brain box and let it roll around for a little bit.
• 17:46
  Travis: See what that does for your sleep.
• 17:48
  Josh: I don't like it.
• 17:49
  Josh: It's like the future alm episode where he goes back and sleeps with his grandma.
• 17:54
  Travis: Yeah.
• 17:55
  Josh: And he is his own great-grandpa, and the only reason he exists is because he went back in time.
• 18:01
  Travis: That's yep.
• 18:02
  Travis: There's an author, Chuck Polinek, who wrote a book called Diary that is very similar to this idea about how one guy is going back in time and keeps having sex with his grandma.
• 18:12
  Travis: Oh, to create a better version of himself.
• 18:15
  Josh: Whoa.
• 18:16
  Travis: Weird.
• 18:16
  Travis: Same author that wrote Fight Club and Joke.
• 18:19
  Travis: Okay.
• 18:19
  Travis: So now, Josh, if you will come with me on this little adventure, we're going to talk a little bit about how looking glass supposedly worked.
• 18:30
  Travis: Okay.
• 18:31
  Travis: And I'm going to do my very best to describe what this device looked like.
• 18:36
  Josh: Okay, let's do it.
• 18:37
  Travis: When people describe the looking glass, they describe an apparatus designed to manipulate the physics of space-time and a viewing field where the past or future could appear, almost like a living hologram.
• 18:48
  Travis: So it's pretty cool.
• 18:49
  Travis: So, like minority report, what were those people?
• 18:53
  Travis: The pre-cogs?
• 18:54
  Josh: That they had the balls drop in the water and yeah, they just lived in water the whole time.
• 18:59
  Travis: Just imagine your skin.
• 19:00
  Travis: It would be so soft but wrinkly.
• 19:03
  Travis: So we have an image here in our hot DOS.
• 19:06
  Travis: And I don't know how to describe it other than like imagine a trampoline, like the legs and just the perimeter of a trampoline.
• 19:14
  Josh: Like that's the shape of it.
• 19:15
  Travis: Yeah, the basic shape is a circle, and then it's got legs like you would see on a trampoline, kind of like a U.
• 19:23
  Travis: There are tubes or pipes, three, in fact, that go across the diameter of this.
• 19:29
  Travis: Um, they're not crossing, they're running parallel with each other.
• 19:32
  Josh: Yeah.
• 19:33
  Travis: Then there are some more tubes inside, and then within that, right in the middle, is like a gyroscope or like an aurary, maybe.
• 19:41
  Travis: Do you know what an aurary is?
• 19:43
  Josh: No.
• 19:43
  Travis: In the dark crystal, when Jen the Gelfling goes to meet such a fucking nerd, uh, goes to meet Agra, she has a big scale model of the solar system and it's moving all around.
• 19:59
  Travis: So if you've seen the dark crystal, that's kind of what's in the middle.
• 20:03
  Travis: Shout out, Thomas 80s kids.
• 20:05
  Josh: Okay, so like one of those rotating observatories that have like the rings that you can kind of move it around.
• 20:10
  Travis: So that's in the middle, and I imagine, you know, like if you think like a gyroscope, it's operating on it's just kind of moving around really fast.
• 20:17
  Travis: Like there's an inside circle and an outside circle, and they're moving separate.
• 20:21
  Josh: Yeah.
• 20:22
  Travis: And in different directions, right?
• 20:24
  Travis: And that is probably what is generating these images.
• 20:26
  Travis: Is that kind of are we on the same page?
• 20:29
  Josh: Yeah, and then yeah, inside of that is like a barrel.
• 20:32
  Travis: Yeah.
• 20:32
  Travis: There are some core hardware elements within this device, two electromagnetic rings that are counter-rotating, and that's I think in the middle, those rings that I was talking about in the middle, a central barrel, which you just mentioned, or a chamber where the effect happens, injected gas, maybe argon or xenon, creating a visible projection medium, the pearly orb or shimmering field description.
• 20:58
  Travis: I know who doesn't love a pearly orb?
• 21:01
  Josh: No one.
• 21:01
  Travis: I mean, everyone.
• 21:02
  Travis: Everyone loves one.
• 21:03
  Travis: Who doesn't though?
• 21:04
  Travis: No one.
• 21:05
  Josh: Yeah.
• 21:05
  Travis: The operator requirement, not fully mechanical, it requires a human mind to tune the outcome.
• 21:11
  Travis: That's weird.
• 21:12
  Josh: That is weird.
• 21:13
  Travis: Operator often described as psychic trained consciousness operator.
• 21:17
  Travis: Chair sometimes claimed to be of ET origin.
• 21:21
  Travis: So what are we talking about here?
• 21:22
  Travis: Like people from the men who say are goats, like those kind of guys?
• 21:26
  Josh: Yeah, like kind of the remote viewers, maybe.
• 21:29
  Travis: Do you think if we're looking at like a Venn diagram that there'll be a little crossover here?
• 21:33
  Josh: I think so.
• 21:34
  Josh: And I also, in the research, the chair that they use, and this is sometimes a chair, so there's different variations, but the chair was taken from a crash recovery, and that it helped induce the person sitting in it to that psychic state to help kind of transition them into the interface.
• 21:53
  Josh: That's wild.
• 21:54
  Josh: Yeah, I this this whole thing is insane.
• 21:58
  Travis: Um, so probabilities constant.
• 22:00
  Travis: Concept.
• 22:00
  Travis: It doesn't show one fixed future.
• 22:02
  Travis: It shows a spread of possible futures.
• 22:04
  Travis: The results depend on variables and the operator.
• 22:08
  Travis: Now that's wild.
• 22:09
  Travis: That's also what we're talking about, maybe.
• 22:10
  Travis: You know, I don't know.
• 22:11
  Travis: I've not experienced one of these.
• 22:13
  Travis: Everybody's gonna have a different interaction with it.
• 22:15
  Travis: Absolutely.
• 22:16
  Travis: Right?
• 22:16
  Travis: It'll be very personal.
• 22:18
  Travis: Bias effect.
• 22:19
  Travis: The operator's worldview can shape what appears.
• 22:21
  Travis: Example of that would be a Christian operator might see a crucifixion, whereas atheists would not.
• 22:26
  Josh: Weird.
• 22:27
  Josh: I mean, that could kind of dip into our reality is truly our perception.
• 22:32
  Travis: Sure.
• 22:32
  Travis: Well, it's subjective.
• 22:33
  Travis: Like everybody's reality is subjective, right?
• 22:36
  Josh: Let's say an atheist is looking into the future and only sees an atheist outcome.
• 22:42
  Travis: But what does that look like?
• 22:43
  Travis: I mean, what do you mean by atheist outcome?
• 22:45
  Travis: I don't think it's fair to center this on a religion or lack of religion.
• 22:48
  Josh: This is just an example, but just say, like, they're using this in Jesus' times and they're talking about the crucifixion.
• 22:54
  Josh: If an atheist didn't believe and then the crucifixion didn't happen, would it not or they didn't see it?
• 23:00
  Josh: Yeah, so an atheist wouldn't see it, so it wouldn't have happened.
• 23:02
  Josh: But if a believer saw it, then it would happen.
• 23:06
  Josh: Which means that you have to be very particular on who you choose to use this.
• 23:11
  Travis: Well, this is just saying that's what appears.
• 23:13
  Travis: Like this is hypothetical.
• 23:14
  Travis: Like a Christian who that might be their entire worldview is Christianity, would see something like this, where an atheist wouldn't, they would see maybe something different, but nothing would change because of it.
• 23:24
  Travis: They're just this is what they're observing.
• 23:27
  Josh: Okay.
• 23:28
  Josh: So this is when it gets spooky and even a little weird.
• 23:33
  Josh: Here?
• 23:33
  Travis: Like this whole thing, this whole idea is weird, weird.
• 23:38
  Josh: So as they were using this machine and multiple people were trying to view, according to multiple people tied to this lore, looking glass didn't just show branching futures, but it also revealed a boundary.
• 23:51
  Josh: Oh.
• 23:52
  Josh: The further they looked ahead, the more the timelines collapsed into a single point, a moment where the future stopped being readable.
• 24:00
  Josh: So there's the convergence claim that regardless of inputs, futures converge on a narrow window.
• 24:06
  Josh: So dates vary in the lore, often cited December 21st, 2012.
• 24:11
  Josh: Sometimes it widens to 2012 to 2016.
• 24:14
  Josh: And that was the Mayan thing, right?
• 24:16
  Travis: Uh yeah, yeah.
• 24:17
  Travis: The Mayan calendar, I mean, I think it changed as we got close and then past that year.
• 24:23
  Travis: They're like, oh no, the that calendar was off off.
• 24:27
  Travis: So it's actually falls within this timeline, but then nothing happened.
• 24:31
  Travis: And you and I were talking off mic as there's no such thing as like an infinite calendar.
• 24:36
  Travis: Yeah.
• 24:37
  Travis: I mean, there is in a way, but at a certain time you're just gonna be like, okay, I give up.
• 24:41
  Travis: I'm not gonna be doing this anymore.
• 24:43
  Josh: Maybe it was gonna be infinite, but the guy who was writing it died and no one wanted to take his place.
• 24:48
  Travis: That's what I'm saying.
• 24:49
  Travis: Yeah.
• 24:49
  Travis: They're like, no, it's okay.
• 24:51
  Travis: Like his family just decided they wanted to get into like they wanted to be an actor.
• 24:56
  Josh: I'm gonna open a bakery.
• 24:57
  Josh: Yeah, I'm gonna start a prank show.
• 25:01
  Josh: So this bottleneck is interpreted, some describe as an apocalypse or a cataclysm.
• 25:06
  Josh: Others describe it as a collapse of free potential, which means behavior becomes predictable or algorithmic.
• 25:14
  Josh: After the bottleneck, the future becomes unreadable or a wall.
• 25:19
  Josh: So two major timeline outcomes.
• 25:21
  Josh: Timeline one, which is a positive timeline, is the catastrophe avoided, leads to gradual awakening of human consciousness, telepathy, expanded awareness themes, and exposure of deception.
• 25:34
  Josh: So basically, humanity taps into something higher in their mind.
• 25:38
  Josh: They have a higher thought process and big consciousness and telepathy, which will be great.
• 25:44
  Josh: And then exposure of deception, it sounds like it will be revealed of the things that we've been lied to about.
• 25:50
  Josh: Sure.
• 25:50
  Josh: Because they can't control our minds at this point.
• 25:53
  Josh: And then the second timeline, catastrophe.
• 25:56
  Josh: Geophysical pull shift and global disasters leads to two-thirds of the population die.
• 26:03
  Josh: Uh oh.
• 26:03
  Josh: Survivors go underground, and then over millennia evolve into the grays.
• 26:10
  Josh: Oh shit.
• 26:11
  Josh: The fuck?
• 26:13
  Josh: And that is where we get the P45s.
• 26:15
  Josh: Aliens all the way down.
• 26:17
  Josh: Yeah, everything and everyone is aliens.
• 26:19
  Josh: We'll get into that, but I just want to real quick introduce the Mandela Effect.
• 26:23
  Josh: I'm sure everyone listening has already heard it.
• 26:26
  Josh: Believers use Mandela Effect as evidence of this timeline drift.
• 26:30
  Josh: Examples are the Bernstein or Bernstein or the Mandela Death memory, or the Luke, I am your father.
• 26:37
  Josh: These are all things where everyone remembers it.
• 26:39
  Travis: But some of this, I think, can be traced back to what is happening in popular culture.
• 26:44
  Travis: So Luke, I am your father famously, that line reading was done in Tommy Boy by Chris Farley as he's speaking into a fan.
• 26:53
  Travis: You know, so people maybe because that's it's like not quite recency bias, but people remember that because Tommy Boy is more recent and they didn't go back and watch that line.
• 27:03
  Travis: So instead of quoting Star Wars or quoting Tommy Boy, and then Barenstein, Baronstein, again, like the more common spelling of that would have been Baronstein, S-T-E-I-N, but it's Barenstein, right?
• 27:16
  Travis: Just because Stein is a common suffix to a last name.
• 27:20
  Travis: Right.
• 27:20
  Travis: But it is weird that like collectively everybody was like Sinbad was in a movie called Chazam.
• 27:26
  Josh: No, that is weird.
• 27:27
  Josh: Yeah, I I mean, I was also dumb when I was younger.
• 27:30
  Travis: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Josh: So I probably just don't remember correctly.
• 27:32
  Travis: So was I, never grew out of it.
• 27:34
  Josh: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Josh: So the theory explanation for the Mandela effect is that residual memories from crossing timelines or a frequency mismatch.
• 27:42
  Josh: So basically, we were going down this one path, this one timeline humanity was, and then it altered, but we still have residual memories because we interacted with these items, and they're yeah, I mean it's wonky and wacky.
• 27:58
  Travis: It is.
• 27:59
  Josh: We'll get into that later, a little more deeper, but let's get into these P45s Grays thing.
• 28:06
  Travis: You might call them factions, Josh.
• 28:08
  Josh: Oh.
• 28:08
  Travis: The looking glass narrative isn't just about a device, it's about a struggle.
• 28:12
  Travis: If the future branches, then someone will try to steer which branch becomes real.
• 28:16
  Travis: In this theory, that steering turns into a covert war involving insiders, elites, and even future versions of humanity.
• 28:22
  Travis: So the P45s or Greys are from 45,000 years in the future, from the catastrophic timeline and their motivation, the catastrophe must happen to ensure they exist.
• 28:34
  Travis: So they're working towards this one thing happening.
• 28:37
  Travis: They're bad.
• 28:37
  Travis: They're bad.
• 28:39
  Travis: But also, like it's part of again, like we talked about, it's subjective.
• 28:44
  Travis: So, yes, for us, bad, but if these grays are humans evolved and it means that our future is insured through this, then is it bad?
• 28:55
  Travis: It's just perspective, right?
• 28:56
  Josh: Yeah, I mean, if right now, if I had to go back and make myself alive by ruining something else, yeah, I'd do it.
• 29:05
  Travis: I'd do it, but then again, like none of us chose to be alive, right?
• 29:08
  Travis: We're all here against anybody's better wishes.
• 29:11
  Travis: Like, nobody chose to be here.
• 29:12
  Travis: So that's the P45s.
• 29:14
  Travis: Okay, P52s.
• 29:16
  Travis: They are a more benevolent version of future humans, so they come from 52,000 years in the future, more evolved, more humanitarian.
• 29:23
  Travis: They're credited with warning insiders and pushing shutdown.
• 29:27
  Josh: So, timeline one, the positive timeline, the end result is the P52s, the benevolent future humans.
• 29:34
  Josh: Sure.
• 29:35
  Josh: Timeline two, the catastrophe one, is when everyone had to go underground to survive and then they turned into grays.
• 29:42
  Josh: So they want this to happen.
• 29:43
  Josh: They want the bad things to happen so that they exist.
• 29:47
  Travis: Yep.
• 29:47
  Travis: And they say that the reason the grays look the way they do is we're humans, but are smaller, is because they evolved to be underground.
• 29:54
  Travis: You have to have bigger eyes so you can see better in the dark.
• 29:58
  Travis: Wild.
• 29:58
  Travis: Bigger brains cause Bigger brains, because you need a bigger brain to live in the future.
• 30:03
  Travis: Duh.
• 30:04
  Travis: Ave.
• 30:05
  Travis: Yeah.
• 30:05
  Travis: And then Illuminati, human elites who benefit from catastrophe and control.
• 30:10
  Travis: And then the paradox loop, bunker survivors become ancestors of future Greys.
• 30:15
  Travis: Wild.
• 30:16
  Travis: Weird.
• 30:16
  Travis: Okay, that brings us apart where the story claims the adults in the room realized the machine itself was a problem, and they tried to take it off the table.
• 30:23
  Travis: So what do they do?
• 30:24
  Travis: They try to decommission the device.
• 30:26
  Travis: The story of how the project was shut down goes that once they realized every future they looked at kept collapsing into the same point, things got uncomfortable fast.
• 30:36
  Travis: Yeah.
• 30:37
  Travis: They're just like, uh, that's bad.
• 30:38
  Travis: Okay, well, what's the next one?
• 30:40
  Travis: Uh that's that's bad.
• 30:42
  Travis: Let's stop looking at it, because then like we don't have to deal with it.
• 30:45
  Josh: Let's put a sheet over it.
• 30:46
  Travis: Let's yep, let's put a bo let's put a piece of tape over it, and then we never have to worry about that check engine light.
• 30:51
  Josh: I wouldn't be uncomfortable.
• 30:52
  Josh: That would be terrifying.
• 30:54
  Josh: Man.
• 30:54
  Josh: Alright, that's basically what they did.
• 30:56
  Travis: They just put a piece of tape over their check engine light.
• 30:58
  Travis: Yep.
• 30:59
  Travis: So the concern became that just observing future timelines might be helping the lock one in.
• 31:04
  Travis: So instead of letting anyone keep messing with it, they pulled the plug.
• 31:08
  Travis: The machine was taken apart and sent to the United Nations, the European Union, and NATO.
• 31:13
  Travis: The idea was to create a kind of global deadlock.
• 31:16
  Travis: Each group would only have part of the machine, not enough to do anything on its own, and rebuilding it would require cooperation between major international powers that don't exactly trust each other.
• 31:26
  Josh: Smart?
• 31:27
  Travis: It is.
• 31:27
  Travis: It's like, yeah, you give it to your enemy because you know your enemy's never gonna give it to you.
• 31:31
  Travis: Or somebody whose same interests don't align with yours.
• 31:34
  Travis: So yeah, it's that's smart, and that shows like a very mature understanding of what this power could unleash, right?
• 31:42
  Josh: Maybe, or they're just like, uh-oh, we gotta get rid of the evidence, but we can't let anyone else use it, so we have to spread the evidence.
• 31:50
  Travis: But they spread it, they didn't just like bury it in the dirt, right?
• 31:52
  Travis: There was intention behind it.
• 31:54
  Travis: Right.
• 31:54
  Travis: So they could ensure that these people would not work together to ensure our mass destruction or whatever, or at least we wouldn't have an like a window into what's gonna happen.
• 32:05
  Josh: That's interesting though, that they realize that maybe them using it is the reason that it's collapsing.
• 32:12
  Josh: Sure.
• 32:12
  Travis: That's wild.
• 32:13
  Travis: Or it's just like knowing's half the battle.
• 32:16
  Travis: In this case, knowing is all of the battle.
• 32:18
  Travis: That's true.
• 32:19
  Travis: Like if you know what all the outcomes are, and you're just gonna try to pick the easiest, less devastating one, and so you're gonna start making moves towards that.
• 32:26
  Travis: So, in theory, that made it nearly impossible for any one country or faction to quietly bring the device back online without everyone else knowing about it.
• 32:34
  Josh: Like if they were gonna try to bring it on, like someone would find out.
• 32:37
  Josh: Someone would find out pretty quickly.
• 32:38
  Josh: Yeah.
• 32:39
  Travis: Unless it was like a Nick Cage character and he's gonna go and steal the world-ending device, the looking glass device.
• 32:46
  Josh: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Travis: And then they just find out it's just like bags of sand.
• 32:50
  Travis: I want to see that movie.
• 32:51
  Josh: Anything Nicolas Cage, I want to see.
• 32:52
  Travis: Yep, he's great.
• 32:53
  Josh: So now we're gonna talk more about the Mandela effect, the shift from 1999, and kind of the world that followed all of this.
• 33:01
  Josh: So if the project looking glass story is taken at face value, shutting the device down didn't undo what it revealed.
• 33:08
  Josh: It didn't rewind anything or restore any early version of reality.
• 33:11
  Josh: It simply removed the ability to look at it, to look forward.
• 33:15
  Josh: From that point on, humanity would be living inside the outcome without any confirmation, warning, or explanation, which is why it's so weird with the Amandela effects.
• 33:24
  Josh: Yeah.
• 33:25
  Josh: According to this theory, that is when the after-effects begin.
• 33:29
  Josh: So the 1999 shift theory, something a lot of people quietly feel, but don't always talk about.
• 33:35
  Josh: For a lot of people, life after the turn of the millennium just doesn't feel the same.
• 33:40
  Josh: The subtle shift in how time moves, how culture changes, and how the days stack up against each other.
• 33:47
  Josh: The idea of the 1999 shift is more of a shared observation that developed into a theory as people tried to make sense of why so many of us notice the same things around at the same time.
• 33:58
  Josh: This feeling isn't fringe or isolated.
• 34:02
  Josh: It comes up across age groups, cultures, and backgrounds.
• 34:05
  Josh: Even people who didn't believe in conspiracies described it as decades no longer feel distinct.
• 34:11
  Josh: Cultures feel like it's looping instead of evolving, and life feels increasingly compressed.
• 34:17
  Josh: Years pass without really any clear markers.
• 34:20
  Josh: So if the future truly converged into a narrower path, life might feel less open-ended, fewer branches could feel like fewer meaningful forks in the road.
• 34:30
  Josh: And I I think this was in the 2000s.
• 34:34
  Josh: I was still young, but it just seemed as though I could already kind of feel the 80s and 70s and 60s, they all had their culture and music and all that stuff.
• 34:43
  Travis: Yeah, 2000s just kind of it was going away.
• 34:45
  Travis: You look at 2000s and you're just like, there's nothing defining it.
• 34:49
  Travis: You know what I'm saying?
• 34:50
  Josh: Yeah.
• 34:50
  Travis: In the 80s and 90s, you had like vapor wave and wild big hairdo's pastels, and then like mid-90s, you know, like goth movements, skater punk was becoming kind of a big grunge trend.
• 35:05
  Travis: Grunge.
• 35:06
  Travis: Grunge was kind of up and then on its way down.
• 35:09
  Josh: Yeah.
• 35:10
  Travis: The late 90s, early 2000s, but then like 2000s hit and it was nothing.
• 35:14
  Travis: All music started to sound the same.
• 35:16
  Josh: I remember saying that I felt as though we're hitting a ceiling.
• 35:21
  Josh: I remember using that word ceiling, where it just seemed as though nothing new was gonna happen.
• 35:27
  Travis: Yeah, sure.
• 35:27
  Josh: I think I was trying to impress a girl.
• 35:29
  Travis: Yeah, uh, I mean, that's the whole reason we do this.
• 35:33
  Josh: It worked.
• 35:33
  Josh: Oh, did I know, I don't remember.
• 35:36
  Travis: And that's how you met Jordan.
• 35:37
  Josh: That's how I met my wife.
• 35:39
  Josh: She'd never heard of a ceiling before until you're she never looked up.
• 35:42
  Josh: Never looked up.
• 35:44
  Josh: No, I do somewhat kind of feel that though.
• 35:48
  Josh: Like I said, there's fewer branches, like the Ebenezers in the Bible.
• 35:53
  Travis: Okay.
• 35:54
  Josh: The traveling tribes would build these little statues and they would call them Ebenezers, and they were to remember where they had been.
• 36:03
  Josh: And it's like we're going through life without these Ebenezers, these big landmarks or these meaningful forks in the road, and time just seems like a blow.
• 36:13
  Josh: I feel that, but I also think that some of this is happening because we have instant access and instant communication with each other.
• 36:22
  Josh: I think that there's a lot of, I mean, time speeding up.
• 36:25
  Josh: I talked to my grandma before she passed, and she said that that was happening her whole life.
• 36:30
  Travis: Yeah.
• 36:31
  Josh: So it wasn't just after 1999.
• 36:34
  Josh: I think that's just a human thing.
• 36:36
  Travis: Well, also, as you get older, you've experienced so much.
• 36:40
  Travis: You don't have these big life events, and so days look the same.
• 36:44
  Travis: It's wake up in the morning, you make coffee, you go to work.
• 36:47
  Josh: Yeah.
• 36:48
  Travis: And then for a lot of us, work is a grind and it looks the same every day.
• 36:52
  Travis: Yeah.
• 36:52
  Travis: And then you come home and you feed your dogs and you spend what little time you have with your family, and then you go to bed, and then you sleep, and then you wake up and you do the exact same thing.
• 37:02
  Travis: And so there's nothing outside of like vacations or time off, and those become less memorable as years go on, less eventful.
• 37:10
  Travis: And so, like, yeah, time starts to seem like it's moving faster because there's nothing breaking it up.
• 37:16
  Josh: Yeah, and I mean, I feel the same way, and I think everyone feels it, and I think COVID definitely made that move a little bit quicker.
• 37:24
  Travis: There's like a satellite theory around this Mandela effect and Project Looking Glass back in 2016.
• 37:31
  Travis: We talked about this earlier in one of our earlier podcasts.
• 37:33
  Travis: A weasel had like chewed through the wires at the Hadron Collider, and they think that maybe shifted our timeline.
• 37:40
  Travis: Oh, at CERN, yeah.
• 37:42
  Travis: Also, like in 2009, a bird had dropped part of a bagel inside the collider, and they feel like that kind of fucked things up.
• 37:49
  Travis: And so there's just a lot of these theories that I love.
• 37:51
  Travis: Yeah.
• 37:52
  Travis: That shifted our timeline enough to make it bad.
• 37:57
  Travis: Or at least not like what we were all thinking the future was gonna look like, right?
• 38:02
  Travis: Like rocket packs and self-driving cars.
• 38:05
  Travis: Now we have self-driving cars, but they run into people and they fall apart.
• 38:09
  Travis: Our rocket packs don't exist, really.
• 38:12
  Josh: That's I mean, yeah, I've heard the Hydron Collider theory, you know, like right when they kicked it up, a bunch of weird things were happening.
• 38:19
  Josh: Right when they kicked it up, it got kicked down by a bird on a bagel or a weasel.
• 38:22
  Josh: I mean, I've heard some weird things.
• 38:24
  Josh: I've also heard secondhand, I don't know, I haven't done any research, but I've heard from other people that they have found and are in contact with multiple dimensions, which is spooky.
• 38:36
  Josh: Yeah, it's a quantum mechanics idea.
• 38:37
  Josh: It's part of string theory.
• 38:39
  Travis: Like every decision we make branches off into another version of us.
• 38:43
  Josh: But to be able to tap into that and communicate with that timeline, that would be oh, that's beyond me.
• 38:50
  Travis: There was a video that was going around for a while.
• 38:52
  Travis: A guy was just sitting on the couch eating chips, and a version of himself poofed into the room with him with a guide.
• 38:59
  Travis: And they're like, This is what could happen if you make that choice.
• 39:02
  Travis: And then the guy on the couch is like, What the fuck?
• 39:04
  Travis: And then they just disappear.
• 39:06
  Travis: You're that guy.
• 39:07
  Travis: Yeah, so you're that guy, you're like, yeah, culmination of bad choices.
• 39:12
  Josh: That's funny.
• 39:13
  Josh: All right, so I'm gonna get into the Mandela effect.
• 39:15
  Josh: Yep.
• 39:15
  Josh: So this is another one, one of the more popular things that come from this.
• 39:19
  Josh: You've probably talked about it, I'd imagine.
• 39:21
  Josh: So this is when people don't just vaguely remember things differently, they know they remember them a certain way.
• 39:28
  Josh: And it's not just one or two people misremembering, it's a vast group with the exact same shared recollections.
• 39:35
  Travis: Oh shit.
• 39:36
  Travis: Another example of this, my wife and I were talking about this today.
• 39:40
  Travis: Chips, tortilla chips.
• 39:42
  Travis: They were like, Yeah, swear to god, they were called Juanitas.
• 39:46
  Travis: Juanitas, they're called Juantonios, they've never been called Juanitas.
• 39:51
  Travis: I have a bag in my go go look at it.
• 39:53
  Travis: Pause the show, go look at it.
• 39:55
  Travis: Tell me what that bag says.
• 39:56
  Travis: I have we have them too here.
• 39:59
  Josh: It says Jantonios.
• 40:03
  Josh: Did they change the name?
• 40:04
  Josh: No, what it's never been Juanitas.
• 40:07
  Josh: I've always called it Juanitas.
• 40:09
  Travis: I so have I.
• 40:10
  Travis: We have we have a bag here too, and we ordered, we got groceries today.
• 40:13
  Travis: Juantonios.
• 40:14
  Travis: And like, when the fuck did this happen?
• 40:17
  Travis: But it's never been the case.
• 40:19
  Travis: It's never been Juanita's.
• 40:20
  Travis: So there is a chip bag called Juanitas, but I thought what does it look like?
• 40:25
  Travis: Yeah, it's not the one you all think.
• 40:27
  Josh: No, it was this.
• 40:28
  Josh: Like, this is what we call Juanitas.
• 40:30
  Josh: Oh, you know what happened?
• 40:31
  Josh: I just did quick research.
• 40:33
  Josh: Uh huh.
• 40:33
  Josh: The chip brand Juanitas, they had two chip brands and they lost a lawsuit, so they changed it three years ago to Juantonio's.
• 40:42
  Josh: Okay.
• 40:43
  Josh: Dude, that tripped me out.
• 40:45
  Josh: That relieves a lot of pressure on my brain.
• 40:47
  Travis: And I'm wondering if there's explanations for a lot of these Mandela facts that well, like Baron Stane, like we talked about earlier, or Luke, I am your father, when the line is no, I am your father.
• 40:58
  Josh: And also just saying, No, I am your father, you need a little bit more context when you're using that.
• 41:03
  Josh: So saying Luke is like, this is from the movie.
• 41:06
  Travis: Well, and that's why that's why Tommy Boy said it was to show that he was quoting Star Wars, you know.
• 41:12
  Travis: And I think a lot of people remember that scene when he's saying it through the fan.
• 41:16
  Travis: That like it's a pivotal line, and it blows a lot of people's mind when they see Star Wars for the first time.
• 41:22
  Josh: Yeah.
• 41:22
  Travis: And so they just maybe misremember it.
• 41:25
  Travis: And then just like this, I thought there was never a company called Juanita's.
• 41:29
  Travis: I am so relieved to find that they just lost a lawsuit and it was called Juanita's at one point, but it's been Wantonios for a long time, and I've been calling it-I never noticed.
• 41:39
  Travis: Yep.
• 41:40
  Travis: Which because you're not shopping by label, you're just shopping by memory.
• 41:43
  Travis: What it looks like.
• 41:44
  Josh: Yeah.
• 41:44
  Josh: Well, yeah, the colors and the logo and placement.
• 41:47
  Josh: Well, and that's the thing, is like the Bernstein.
• 41:50
  Josh: I always just called it Berenstein when I was a little kid.
• 41:52
  Josh: Yeah.
• 41:52
  Josh: It's not that.
• 41:53
  Josh: No.
• 41:54
  Josh: But it's Bernstein or Bernstein.
• 41:56
  Josh: It was Stein, but I called it Berenstein.
• 41:58
  Josh: So I was wrong to begin with.
• 42:00
  Travis: Well, but your pronunciation is Stein or Stein, same spelling.
• 42:04
  Travis: Right.
• 42:04
  Travis: But it's Bernstein, different spelling altogether.
• 42:08
  Josh: Yeah.
• 42:08
  Josh: But I also didn't really know how to read when I was reading those, but other people did.
• 42:12
  Josh: They're books for babies.
• 42:13
  Josh: Yeah, maybe that's why we don't remember.
• 42:15
  Josh: We were just babies.
• 42:16
  Josh: Yep.
• 42:16
  Josh: Sure.
• 42:17
  Josh: So within the Project Looking Glass story, the Mandela effect is a kind of side effect.
• 42:22
  Josh: What happens when timelines don't fully override each other?
• 42:25
  Josh: The idea is that when the looking glass revealed multiple possible futures, humanity wasn't just observing them, it was interacting with them.
• 42:34
  Josh: And once these possibilities collapsed into a narrower path, traces of the paths that didn't become dominant may not have disappeared cleanly.
• 42:42
  Josh: In that version of events, memories don't change because people experienced or aligned with slightly different versions of reality before everything converged.
• 42:51
  Josh: When the timeline narrowed, physical reality settled into one consistent version, but human memory didn't fully sink.
• 42:59
  Josh: So what's left behind are strong shared recollections no longer matching the world as it is now, like impressions from adjacent outcomes that never fully resolved.
• 43:09
  Travis: Jeez, I don't like that.
• 43:10
  Josh: And that's Mindel effect.
• 43:12
  Josh: And there's tons of Mendel effects.
• 43:13
  Travis: Bunch of unfinished business.
• 43:14
  Travis: That's like we're all ghosts.
• 43:16
  Travis: Or aliens.
• 43:17
  Travis: Or both.
• 43:18
  Travis: Why not both?
• 43:19
  Travis: Yeah.
• 43:20
  Travis: Okay.
• 43:20
  Travis: So where does this where does this put you on as we conclude our show?
• 43:24
  Travis: Yes, no, or maybe, or does that even apply for this?
• 43:28
  Josh: I I think it applies, but where we get all this information is from mainly three individuals and one in particular.
• 43:39
  Josh: So Dan Burrish.
• 43:40
  Josh: Dan has a very sketchy thing.
• 43:44
  Josh: You know, he says he did all these things, but looking at his bank accounts and his work history.
• 43:50
  Travis: Oh, this is a guy that was like, he did security work, but said that was just a cover occupation that he's well taken care of, but he only had 300.
• 44:00
  Travis: Dollars and assets to his name, that guy.
• 44:02
  Josh: Yeah, that's where we get most of this.
• 44:05
  Josh: So that's kind of hard for me, knowing that the source of all this information, as well thought out as it is, isn't backed by someone trusted.
• 44:17
  Josh: So that kind of worries me a little bit.
• 44:20
  Josh: And it kind of feels like a lot of like the sensationalism or the spiritualism going around where they just kind of point out very natural human emotions and then they try to make that into something bigger and grander.
• 44:34
  Josh: I don't think that there is a reason other than we are just human why we're feeling a compression and why we're feeling time is moving quickly and we're misremembering things as a culture.
• 44:44
  Josh: For me, this this one seems a little bit more fake.
• 44:48
  Josh: Okay.
• 44:49
  Josh: Especially since it involves everything.
• 44:52
  Josh: Like this guy just took everything that already existed and kind of put it all into one sandwich, one time sandwich.
• 44:58
  Travis: Yeah.
• 44:58
  Travis: The whole lot of mustard.
• 45:00
  Josh: A lot of mustard.
• 45:01
  Josh: Yeah.
• 45:02
  Josh: Multiple kinds of mustard.
• 45:03
  Josh: Too much zip, maybe.
• 45:05
  Josh: Yeah.
• 45:05
  Josh: So that's where I lie on this.
• 45:08
  Josh: Out of some of the other ones that we've done, this is probably the least believable.
• 45:12
  Josh: You think this is the least believable one?
• 45:14
  Josh: Out of the the different projects, the government projects that we've looked at.
• 45:17
  Josh: Yeah, I would think that this is one of the least believable.
• 45:21
  Josh: For me, I don't know.
• 45:22
  Josh: What do you think?
• 45:23
  Travis: Uh, I think it's an interesting thought exercise to think about this kind of thing.
• 45:27
  Travis: When you start to dig into like a collective misremembering of things, you know, because I'm sure there are people out there that do remember Baron Stein.
• 45:35
  Travis: I'm sure, you know, and you know, people in Africa, South Africa specifically, know that Nelson Mandela was still alive.
• 45:42
  Travis: So it wasn't like an entire thing across the world.
• 45:45
  Travis: It's just idiots that are the loudest, right?
• 45:47
  Travis: And then they kind of shape the dialogue around these things.
• 45:50
  Travis: And so, I mean, like we just found like one Eatus does actually exist.
• 45:54
  Travis: I was just misremembering it.
• 45:56
  Travis: And so many people, you know, were missing and we got to see you react to that in real time and then figure it out.
• 46:00
  Josh: Yeah, I was yeah, that's crazy.
• 46:02
  Travis: To say that it's like, oh, something slipped off the timeline, and that's why we're having all of these shared false memories.
• 46:10
  Travis: I think it's wild, but it is a fun thought experiment or thought exercise.
• 46:16
  Josh: All of it's fun.
• 46:17
  Josh: I enjoy all of this.
• 46:19
  Josh: I just I'm not gonna bank any money in it.
• 46:22
  Travis: No, no.
• 46:22
  Travis: All my I I don't have any money left over after putting it all on you.
• 46:26
  Travis: So oh, for living my best life, yeah.
• 46:30
  Travis: For living your best life.
• 46:31
  Travis: I have it, I am totally invested in that.
• 46:33
  Josh: Yeah, I know.
• 46:34
  Travis: It'll happen.
• 46:35
  Travis: I'm just a slow bloomer.
• 46:37
  Travis: Yeah, uh, what is that?
• 46:38
  Travis: Arrested development?
• 46:39
  Travis: Yeah, failure to launch.
• 46:41
  Josh: Mm-hmm.
• 46:42
  Josh: I'm just a little baby.
• 46:43
  Travis: Yeah, you're just a little baby, just doing little baby things.
• 46:46
  Josh: Yeah.
• 46:46
  Josh: So if this device was real, I'd be fucking rich.
• 46:52
  Josh: Because I've I've heard of other devices similar to this, like time travel devices.
• 46:57
  Josh: I mean, you hear about it all the time.
• 46:58
  Josh: There's time travel stories.
• 47:00
  Travis: Yeah, the Tesseract and the whole Marvel universe was this.
• 47:03
  Josh: Well, like real life things, like the Vatican has some TV that can pull up images from the past.
• 47:08
  Josh: What do you mean, real life?
• 47:10
  Josh: Oh, uh Marvel's a movie franchise.
• 47:13
  Josh: No.
• 47:13
  unknown: Yep.
• 47:14
  Josh: What?
• 47:15
  Josh: Yeah, that was all that's all fake.
• 47:17
  Josh: No.
• 47:18
  Josh: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Travis: No, Captain America is real.
• 47:21
  Travis: Nope.
• 47:21
  Travis: Thor is.
• 47:22
  Travis: Yeah, I know.
• 47:23
  Travis: Well, I mean, that's it.
• 47:24
  Travis: And Ant-Man and Spider-Man.
• 47:26
  Josh: No, no.
• 47:27
  Josh: I'm sorry, man.
• 47:28
  Josh: This sucks.
• 47:30
  Travis: I don't like this.
• 47:31
  Travis: I don't like the way this show is ending.
• 47:33
  Josh: Maybe we should read some a fan mail.
• 47:35
  Josh: We got one.
• 47:36
  Josh: It's actually a YouTube comment.
• 47:38
  Josh: Great.
• 47:38
  Josh: It was very informative.
• 47:40
  Travis: I'm sure it's gonna be very cool, totally normal.
• 47:43
  Josh: So, yeah, every episode we're gonna read fan mail or comments or reviews.
• 47:48
  Josh: If you got them, send them our way.
• 47:50
  Josh: And we'll read it.
• 47:51
  Josh: This one was from our Antarctica episode, and it was going off of, I think they were replying about our debate on whether the US Navy came down to Antarctica for Operation High Jump with all of their food and supplies, or if they put up a supply chain.
• 48:08
  Josh: This person goes on saying that he did logistics in the Navy, and he said, I can settle a debate on whether or not they would be able to supply all the food and fuel needed to sustain a trip for that duration without any resupply ship or otherwise.
• 48:23
  Josh: The answer is yes.
• 48:24
  Josh: They absolutely could support 4,700 people for up to six months with the 13 ships they had for that mission.
• 48:30
  Josh: In fact, one of the stated goals of that mission was to test the logistics of a fuel management and cooking and storing food in extreme cold conditions.
• 48:38
  Josh: And there is no documented resupplying of that mission.
• 48:42
  Josh: They left behind 1,600 tons and likely returned home with plenty of food.
• 48:47
  Josh: He said, This is post-World War II American Navy.
• 48:50
  Josh: This is what they do.
• 48:52
  Josh: They used to have entire ships just to make ice cream for the troops on deployment.
• 48:56
  Josh: Ice cream ships.
• 48:57
  Josh: Great, it's resolved.
• 48:58
  Josh: I mean, you were saying like they had to leave potentially because they didn't have anything, their supply mission fell through or something.
• 49:04
  Josh: This just makes it a little bit more mysterious of like why they up and left it if they had all the supplies, if they had everything.
• 49:11
  Josh: Oh, those supplies still there.
• 49:12
  Josh: No, the polar bears got them.
• 49:14
  Josh: No, there is no bears.
• 49:15
  Josh: Yeah.
• 49:16
  Josh: That's what Antarctica means.
• 49:17
  Josh: Antarctic.
• 49:19
  Josh: Well, there goes that theory.
• 49:20
  Josh: Um, penguins, man.
• 49:22
  Josh: Penguins got them.
• 49:23
  Josh: Yep.
• 49:24
  Josh: Penguins got it.
• 49:25
  Josh: Well, I love that.
• 49:26
  Josh: Thank you for commenting, just interacting with us.
• 49:29
  Josh: We love that.
• 49:30
  Josh: It's one of our favorite things.
• 49:31
  Josh: So do that and we will read it and most likely respond.
• 49:36
  Josh: Okay.
• 49:36
  Josh: Now, what do we do at the end of the show?
• 49:38
  Josh: Oh, I don't know.
• 49:39
  Josh: Right?
• 49:39
  Josh: We're done?
• 49:40
  Josh: No, no.
• 49:41
  Josh: We have a quiz, and I'm gonna send it.
• 49:44
  Josh: Okay.
• 49:45
  Travis: Oh, you have it.
• 49:45
  Josh: Yeah, but I don't.
• 49:46
  Josh: She just has a little box and it's shrunk down to where I can just push the send button.
• 49:52
  Travis: Okay.
• 49:53
  Travis: So you're not getting any information before I'm getting it?
• 49:56
  Travis: No.
• 49:58
  Josh: So I just clicked send.
• 50:00
  Josh: Got it.
• 50:01
  Travis: What the hell?
• 50:01
  Josh: How do you say that?
• 50:03
  Josh: I don't know.
• 50:03
  Josh: Socoro.
• 50:04
  Josh: That's what I wanted to say.
• 50:05
  Travis: Socoro.
• 50:07
  Travis: So Kor.
• 50:09
  Travis: But you roll your R.
• 50:11
  Travis: Socoro.
• 50:12
  Travis: Can you even roll an R, Josh?
• 50:16
  Travis: Yeah.
• 50:16
  Travis: You sound like a Chewbacca.
• 50:18
  Josh: Okay.
• 50:18
  Josh: So our next episode topic is Socoro UFO incident.
• 50:26
  Josh: It's an incident?
• 50:27
  Josh: Okay.
• 50:28
  Josh: I get that.
• 50:29
  Josh: UFO sighting, maybe?
• 50:31
  Josh: Incident?
• 50:32
  Josh: Yeah.
• 50:32
  Josh: In a place called Socorro.
• 50:34
  Josh: How do you say it?
• 50:35
  Josh: That's not how you say it.
• 50:36
  Josh: Socoro?
• 50:37
  Josh: Socorro.
• 50:39
  Josh: I can't.
• 50:39
  Josh: I'm not gonna roll my R.
• 50:40
  Josh: I'm not gonna do that to the listener.
• 50:42
  Josh: Really lean into it.
• 50:43
  Josh: Come on, do it.
• 50:45
  Josh: Socorro.
• 50:46
  Travis: There you go.
• 50:47
  Travis: You did it.
• 50:47
  Travis: Kinda.
• 50:48
  Travis: Okay, we can move on.
• 50:50
  Josh: I don't know this.
• 50:51
  Josh: It sounds familiar, but I don't know if that's true.
• 50:55
  Josh: You don't know if it's true that it sounds familiar?
• 50:57
  Josh: Yeah, it could be a Mandela thing.
• 51:00
  Josh: Like maybe it's a different timeline that I learned about this.
• 51:04
  Josh: Sure.
• 51:05
  Josh: That sounds wonderful.
• 51:06
  Josh: Okay, so first question.
• 51:08
  Josh: Yeah.
• 51:08
  Josh: On what date did the Socorro UFO incident occur?
• 51:12
  Josh: The A March 31st, 1950, B, April 24th, 1964, C, July 7th, 1972, or D, October 12th, 1982?
• 51:24
  Travis: I hate these questions.
• 51:24
  Travis: I'm never good with it.
• 51:25
  Travis: I do too.
• 51:26
  Josh: I'm not well, I'm not gonna get it.
• 51:28
  Josh: Even if I knew or heard the day before, I'm not gonna remember it.
• 51:31
  Travis: No way.
• 51:32
  Travis: So now we're what?
• 51:33
  Travis: We just pick which one sounds the most spooky?
• 51:36
  Josh: I think July, 1972.
• 51:39
  Josh: July 7th.
• 51:40
  Josh: Hot.
• 51:40
  Josh: Yeah, sure.
• 51:41
  Josh: I think it's it's a nice evening, clear skies.
• 51:44
  Josh: They can see it.
• 51:46
  Josh: That's what I think.
• 51:47
  Josh: Okay.
• 51:47
  Travis: I'm gonna say my gut is telling me April 24th.
• 51:50
  Josh: Oh.
• 51:51
  Travis: April is just uh a bizarre month.
• 51:54
  Josh: That's a few days after Earth Day.
• 51:57
  Josh: Sure.
• 51:57
  Josh: So is that a hint?
• 51:59
  Josh: Do you know?
• 51:59
  Josh: I don't know.
• 52:00
  Josh: No, I don't know anything.
• 52:01
  Travis: I'm just saying that's I'm choosing April 24th, 1964.
• 52:04
  Josh: Okay.
• 52:05
  Josh: Next question: Where is Socaro located?
• 52:08
  Josh: A Brazil, B, Arizona.
• 52:11
  Josh: This is so dumb.
• 52:13
  Josh: C New Mexico or D OG Mexico.
• 52:18
  Travis: That's really funny.
• 52:19
  Travis: Jordan could have just put Mexico, but because it followed New Mexico, she felt like OG.
• 52:24
  Travis: It's funny.
• 52:25
  Travis: It's a really funny joke.
• 52:26
  Travis: It is, it's good.
• 52:27
  Travis: And I'm a sucker for it.
• 52:28
  Travis: That's my choice.
• 52:29
  Travis: I'm gonna say, what are you gonna say?
• 52:32
  Travis: OG Mexico.
• 52:33
  Travis: Mexico.
• 52:34
  Josh: Okay.
• 52:35
  Josh: I'm gonna say New Mexico.
• 52:37
  Travis: Okay.
• 52:38
  Josh: All right.
• 52:38
  Josh: Next question.
• 52:39
  Josh: What was Officer Zamora doing when he noticed the UFO?
• 52:43
  Josh: Is it A patrolling the desert highway?
• 52:46
  Josh: B investigating a brush fire, C conducting a routine traffic stop, or D pursuing a speeding vehicle?
• 52:54
  Josh: Oh my gosh, come on.
• 52:56
  Josh: We don't know the story.
• 52:57
  Josh: I know.
• 52:58
  Josh: How can we know this?
• 52:59
  Travis: Uh no, this is getting too specific.
• 53:01
  Travis: So I'm gonna say Officer Zamora was just out tooting around patrolling the desert highway.
• 53:06
  Travis: Just tootin'?
• 53:07
  Josh: Just tootin along.
• 53:08
  Josh: Like one of those old Disney commercials when they're riding the car, just yep.
• 53:12
  Travis: That's what the exhaust system sound like in an old timey car.
• 53:15
  Travis: Listener.
• 53:17
  Josh: I'm gonna say, I'm just gonna say pursuing a speeding vehicle.
• 53:21
  Josh: Okay.
• 53:21
  Travis: Oh man, exciting.
• 53:23
  Josh: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Josh: This is getting intense.
• 53:25
  Travis: Racing through the desert?
• 53:26
  Travis: That's fun.
• 53:27
  Josh: Yeah.
• 53:27
  Josh: All right.
• 53:27
  Josh: Next question.
• 53:28
  Josh: What did officers Zamora report seeing near the craft?
• 53:32
  Josh: A two small figures.
• 53:34
  Josh: B mutilated cattle carcasses.
• 53:37
  Josh: C, an unconscious human, or D, a portal in the plateau.
• 53:42
  Josh: Ooh.
• 53:42
  Josh: Oh, that's weird.
• 53:43
  Josh: I'm gonna pick a portal on the plateau.
• 53:45
  Josh: Okay.
• 53:46
  Josh: Cause that like going back to Skinwalker and stuff like that.
• 53:49
  Josh: Yeah, so it is an incident.
• 53:52
  Josh: Shit.
• 53:52
  Travis: I'm gonna say two small figures.
• 53:54
  Josh: Okay.
• 53:55
  Josh: And that would be an incident.
• 53:57
  Josh: All right.
• 53:58
  Josh: Next one.
• 53:59
  Josh: Which agencies were involved in the UFO investigation?
• 54:02
  Josh: Is it A local and state law enforcement?
• 54:06
  Josh: B federal and military agencies, C consultants and scientific agencies, or D, all of the above and then some.
• 54:14
  Josh: Literally everyone was looking into this.
• 54:16
  Josh: Hell yeah.
• 54:17
  Josh: Let's get everyone involved.
• 54:19
  Josh: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Josh: This is like a choose your own adventure.
• 54:21
  Josh: She's gonna write the story based on our answers.
• 54:26
  Travis: Oh, you think Jordan is creating this story as we go through?
• 54:30
  Travis: As we're choosing, that would be interesting.
• 54:31
  Travis: That would be.
• 54:32
  Travis: It would be funny if Jordan had a whole episode and we weighed in and we took it very seriously.
• 54:36
  Travis: And then at the end, she was like, Gotcha, you sons of bitches.
• 54:39
  Travis: That would be it was all made up.
• 54:41
  Travis: I made it up.
• 54:42
  Josh: Like it's a lesson for us.
• 54:44
  Josh: Yeah.
• 54:45
  Josh: All right.
• 54:46
  Josh: Last question.
• 54:48
  Josh: What was Project Blue Book's official classification of the Socoro incident?
• 54:53
  Josh: God damn it.
• 54:53
  Josh: A a hoax.
• 54:55
  Josh: Uh-huh.
• 54:55
  Josh: B owl sighting.
• 54:57
  Josh: Man.
• 54:59
  Josh: Probably that.
• 55:00
  Josh: These owls are busy.
• 55:01
  Josh: C, misidentified natural phenomenon or D unknown.
• 55:06
  Josh: Okay.
• 55:06
  Josh: I'm going to say unknown.
• 55:07
  Travis: It can be an owl sighting.
• 55:08
  Travis: No, it can't be an owl sighting.
• 55:09
  Travis: That's just if it is, we're done.
• 55:12
  Travis: Yeah, we just pack it up.
• 55:13
  Travis: We're not doing this podcast anymore.
• 55:15
  Travis: I could never look at an owl the same.
• 55:17
  Travis: I would.
• 55:17
  Travis: Oh my gosh.
• 55:18
  Travis: But birds aren't real anyway, Josh.
• 55:20
  Travis: I'm going to pick unknown.
• 55:21
  Travis: You're doing unknown.
• 55:21
  Travis: I'm doing unknown.
• 55:22
  Travis: I thought you would pick misidentified natural phenomena to line up with plateau portal.
• 55:27
  Travis: I mean, that can still be unknown.
• 55:28
  Travis: Sure.
• 55:28
  Travis: It's all unknown.
• 55:30
  Josh: All right.
• 55:30
  Josh: We're going to submit and view our accuracy.
• 55:33
  Josh: Hey yo.
• 55:35
  Josh: So holy shit.
• 55:37
  Josh: You do good?
• 55:38
  Travis: I haven't looked.
• 55:38
  Travis: Better than normal.
• 55:39
  Travis: I'll say.
• 55:40
  Travis: Cool.
• 55:40
  Travis: Good for you.
• 55:41
  Travis: I don't know if it's good, but it's better than normal.
• 55:43
  Travis: There's some green on my quiz.
• 55:45
  Josh: Oh, that's fun.
• 55:46
  Josh: So on what date did the Socorro UFO incident occur?
• 55:50
  Josh: I said July 7th, 1972.
• 55:52
  Josh: Boom, starting with this one.
• 55:53
  Travis: April 24th, 1964.
• 55:55
  Travis: Correct.
• 55:56
  Travis: Oh.
• 55:57
  Travis: So setting a scene.
• 55:58
  Travis: Early 60s.
• 55:59
  Josh: Yeah.
• 56:00
  Josh: April.
• 56:01
  Josh: Near Earth Day.
• 56:03
  Josh: Near Earth Day.
• 56:04
  Josh: Coincidence?
• 56:05
  Travis: No, not at all.
• 56:07
  Travis: Okay.
• 56:07
  Travis: So Socorro, where is it, Josh?
• 56:09
  Travis: I said New Mexico, and that is correct.
• 56:12
  Travis: I said OG, Mexico.
• 56:14
  Travis: I fell walked right into that trap that Jordan set for me.
• 56:17
  Travis: It's true.
• 56:18
  Travis: She knew you would pick OG.
• 56:19
  Travis: Because it's the funniest answer.
• 56:21
  Josh: Yeah.
• 56:21
  Josh: All right.
• 56:22
  Josh: What was Officer Zamaro doing when he noticed the UFO?
• 56:25
  Josh: Zamora.
• 56:26
  Josh: I said pursuing a speeding vehicle.
• 56:29
  Josh: I said patrolling the desert highway, just tooting along.
• 56:32
  Josh: Yeah, and he was pursuing a speeding vehicle.
• 56:35
  Josh: Very exciting.
• 56:35
  Josh: That person maybe got off the hook, hopefully.
• 56:39
  Josh: Oh man, that would be perfect.
• 56:41
  Josh: All right.
• 56:41
  Josh: Next one.
• 56:42
  Josh: What did Officer Zamaro report seeing near the craft?
• 56:45
  Josh: I said a portal in the plateau.
• 56:48
  Josh: I said two small figures.
• 56:49
  Josh: I was correct.
• 56:50
  Josh: Yep, it was two small figures.
• 56:52
  Josh: And then which agencies were involved in the UFO investigation?
• 56:57
  Josh: We both said all of them.
• 56:59
  Josh: And that is correct.
• 57:00
  Josh: Always a smart answer.
• 57:02
  Josh: Yeah.
• 57:02
  Josh: I mean, usually when I see all the above, I'd click that.
• 57:05
  Josh: Yeah.
• 57:05
  Josh: And then last one, what was Project Blue Book's official classification of the Socorro incident?
• 57:12
  Josh: We both said unknown.
• 57:13
  Josh: And that was correct.
• 57:14
  Josh: Yep.
• 57:15
  Josh: April 24th, 1964, in New Mexico.
• 57:18
  Josh: A cop was chasing down a speeding car.
• 57:21
  Josh: Saw two small figures.
• 57:23
  Josh: Two small figures near the craft.
• 57:25
  Josh: Maybe the craft was landed.
• 57:27
  Josh: Everyone looked into it.
• 57:29
  Josh: Local and state law enforcements, federal, military governments, consultants, and scientific agencies.
• 57:34
  Josh: Holy shit.
• 57:34
  Josh: It's a lot of toes in the sand.
• 57:37
  Josh: The bean pool.
• 57:38
  Josh: Yeah.
• 57:38
  Josh: And then Project Blue Book, which was the government's agency for looking into this stuff, they said they don't know what it was.
• 57:46
  Josh: Yeah.
• 57:46
  Josh: And usually they would debunk stuff and say, nope, that was fake.
• 57:49
  Josh: That was an owl.
• 57:50
  Josh: So cool.
• 57:51
  Josh: I'm excited about this.
• 57:52
  Josh: Just a good old-fashioned UFO incident.
• 57:55
  Josh: UFO mystery.
• 57:56
  Josh: Yeah.
• 57:57
  Travis: Wonderful.
• 57:57
  Josh: Well, cool.
• 57:58
  Josh: Well, thank you for listening.
• 58:00
  Josh: Like we said, get a hold of us, leave reviews, follow us.
• 58:04
  Travis: You know how to do it, but in case you don't, Josh, where can they find us?
• 58:07
  Josh: Oh, everywhere you listen to things, right?
• 58:10
  Josh: Yeah, we have an email address.
• 58:12
  Josh: Aliens, yes, but maybe no at Gmail.
• 58:15
  Josh: It's a really long one.
• 58:16
  Josh: I'm sorry.
• 58:16
  Josh: Easy to remember though.
• 58:18
  Josh: It is easy to remember.
• 58:19
  Josh: We have uh Instagram, YouTube, you can follow us on there.
• 58:23
  Josh: You can send us fan mail, just the app you're listening to in the description notes.
• 58:27
  Josh: Just says text us something cool.
• 58:30
  Josh: Do that, and we might read it on the show.
• 58:33
  Travis: We might.
• 58:34
  Travis: And it is now incorporated into our show.
• 58:36
  Travis: So we are now legally obligated to respond back to you.
• 58:41
  Travis: I took a blood oath.
• 58:42
  Travis: Yeah, sucks.
• 58:43
  Travis: Oh boy.
• 58:44
  Josh: Well, I'm excited to get into this.
• 58:46
  Josh: It's been a while since we just did a straight alien story.
• 58:50
  Travis: But we just found out it's aliens all the way down.
• 58:52
  Travis: So I guess that's true.
• 58:53
  Travis: This is aliens.
• 58:54
  Travis: It's all aliens all the time.
• 58:56
  Josh: So you would say aliens, yes.
• 58:58
  Travis: Uh I would say aliens.
• 59:00
  Travis: What do you mean for this?
• 59:01
  Travis: For everything.
• 59:02
  Travis: Yeah, it's just all aliens.
• 59:04
  Travis: Yes.
• 59:04
  Travis: You win.
• 59:05
  Travis: You win.
• 59:06
  Travis: You got it.
• 59:07
  Josh: Yes.
• 59:08
  Josh: Well, we will chat at you next time.
• 59:10
  Josh: Okay.
• 59:11
  Josh: Thanks for listening.
• 59:12
  Josh: Bye.
• 59:13
  Josh: Bye.