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HW 2026-10-29 The Solution to Medicine - Dr. James Marcum & Charles Mills · Heartwise

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  Speaker 1: This is HeartWise, offering practical tips and time-proven guidelines to
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  Speaker 1: make your life healthier, happier, and more fulfilling. Today, you'll
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  Speaker 1: learn simple Bible-based principles for building and maintaining optimum mental
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  Speaker 1: and physical health, all while deepening your relationship with your Creator.
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  Speaker 1: Here's your HeartWise host, Dr. James Markham.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back, everyone, to HeartWise. I'm Dr. James Markham, and
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  Speaker 2: in last program, we were talking about about medicines that kill,
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  Speaker 2: the problem, and realizing that a lot of people take
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  Speaker 2: medications nowadays, and there's lots of prescriptions given, and we
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  Speaker 2: don't want to tell people they can't take the medications,
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  Speaker 2: but we want to let people know that anything they
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  Speaker 2: put in their body, including medications, cause a risk. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined with HeartWise health reporter Charles Mills. Charles, bring
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  Speaker 2: us into this next program.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the recent deaths of several celebrities, Dr. Markham,
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  Speaker 1: has shown a spotlight on the overuse and abuse of
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  Speaker 1: prescription drugs. And that's right, I said the word prescription.
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  Speaker 1: It's not only the under-the-counter drugs that are taking this out,
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  Speaker 1: it's the perfectly legal medicines that many of us may
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  Speaker 1: have in our bathroom shelves even as we speak. You know,
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  Speaker 1: as founder-director of HeartWise Ministries, you are trying to educate people, Dr. Markham,
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  Speaker 1: into what is good for them and what is not
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  Speaker 1: good for them Your latest book, Medicines That Kill, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta say, you're one brave doctor because you work in
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  Speaker 1: a profession where medications, drugs, form the foundation of most treatments.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of pushback are you getting from your book,
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  Speaker 1: Medicines That Kill?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm getting two sets of pushbacks. One
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  Speaker 2: is from the people that said, you know, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know this was going on. Thank you for opening our eyes.
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  Speaker 2: I knew this was happening, but no one was talking
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  Speaker 2: about it, you know? A lot of people realize that
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  Speaker 2: when up to 25% of all commercials now are related
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  Speaker 2: to pharmaceuticals, and they talk about the pharmaceuticals for a
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  Speaker 2: few seconds, and then the larger amount is telling you
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  Speaker 2: all the things it can do to you. There's a
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  Speaker 2: problem here. When there's 4 billion prescriptions written and there's
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  Speaker 2: more pharmacies out there than there are banks, maybe there's
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  Speaker 2: a problem going on here. When people are having overdoses
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  Speaker 2: and narcotic prescriptions are going up each year, and when
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  Speaker 2: crazy people are causing problems and having wrecks and we
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  Speaker 2: don't know why, and people are hurting each other, and
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  Speaker 2: people aren't thinking well, and people in nursing homes are
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  Speaker 2: dying suddenly after they don't eat or drink and yet
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  Speaker 2: get their medicines. Someone's scratching their head, she says, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's a problem. But however, the people that make a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money off this don't necessarily want to let
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  Speaker 2: people know because the more indiscriminate we are, the more
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  Speaker 2: money's pumped into the system. And the government, unfortunately, bless
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  Speaker 2: their hearts, A lot of the people that run the
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  Speaker 2: government are lobbyists, and they have drug regulators that have
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  Speaker 2: all worked in the business. The pharmaceutical industries don't put
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  Speaker 2: these ads up there to help someone's health get better.
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  Speaker 2: They're putting it up there to make medications. Even in
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  Speaker 2: the doctor's journals that we get, most of those journals
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  Speaker 2: are paid for by pharmaceutical ads. So everyone is walking
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  Speaker 2: around on eggshells, yet I felt someone needed to talk
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  Speaker 2: about this And one of the oaths I took in
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  Speaker 2: medical school was from one of my people that I
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  Speaker 2: looked up, the doctors that I looked up, and that
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  Speaker 2: was Dr. Hippocrates, the Greek. And he said, whenever a
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  Speaker 2: doctor cannot do good, he must be kept from doing harm.
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  Speaker 2: And if I can't do some good, I want to
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  Speaker 2: be kept from doing harm. And if I can't help
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  Speaker 2: you out, I want to make sure you're not on
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  Speaker 2: anything that hurts you. So it's scary, Charles. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: last program, I talked about the problem. And the problem
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  Speaker 2: can be made at all levels, from mistakes, from problems
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  Speaker 2: in productions, to labeling, to dispersing, to prescribing. Mistakes are
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  Speaker 2: made by providers and patients and deaths from anorexia and
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  Speaker 2: fatalities from adverse reactions, even reactions that we know the
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  Speaker 2: risk that are on the bottles, the misuse of medications,
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  Speaker 2: how people are taking pill parties and addicted to these,
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  Speaker 2: how they're affecting our brain, how they're interacting with other substances.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what? There's a big problem out there,
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  Speaker 2: and I think everyone's aware of it, but now it's
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  Speaker 2: time to talk about some solutions.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that is so important because I can probably
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  Speaker 1: truthfully say that most of the people who are listening
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  Speaker 1: to this program right now have some medications in their bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: They're on the shelves. And I have a feeling that
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  Speaker 1: as they reach for those medications, there may be something
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  Speaker 1: in the back of their mind hearing these stories and
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  Speaker 1: hearing these statistics and saying, man, I wonder if I really,
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  Speaker 1: really need this. And could you give us a sort
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  Speaker 1: of a little guideline, Dr. Markham, to answer that question?
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  Speaker 1: When you reach for a medication and you say, do
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  Speaker 1: I really, really need this? Where do you go for
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  Speaker 1: answers to find out if you really do need this?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. A couple things. One of the things I want
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  Speaker 2: people to always think of first is why am I
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  Speaker 2: taking this medication? Is it an important reason and is
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  Speaker 2: a risk worth taking? For instance, if you have a
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  Speaker 2: headache and it's not that bad of a headache, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you can just drink some water. Maybe you can do
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  Speaker 2: something else, get in some heat. Maybe the headache will
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  Speaker 2: go away and you won't necessarily have to take something
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  Speaker 2: over the counter for that. Maybe if you're a type
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  Speaker 2: 2 diabetic, maybe there's some lifestyle changes. Because remember, we
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  Speaker 2: can change our chemistry in different ways other than medicines.
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  Speaker 2: Medicines usually just work on one chemical reaction, whereas these
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  Speaker 2: lifestyle changes work on lots of reactions in the body.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when you exercise, you help the chemistry in
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  Speaker 2: multiple levels, multiple reactions. But sometimes when you take a pill,
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  Speaker 2: you just focus on one thing, and it sometimes upset
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  Speaker 2: balances on other things. So that's the first thing I
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  Speaker 2: want people to ask is, do I really need this medicine?
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  Speaker 2: What are the risks and benefits? And is there any
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  Speaker 2: other way I can change my chemistry in a safer manner?
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  Speaker 1: When we eat food, the good news is when we
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  Speaker 1: eat really wholesome plant-based food, we can know that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: It is going to target some problems we may have
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  Speaker 1: in our bodies, but that food is also loaded with
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  Speaker 1: phytonutrients and whatnot that's going to go help a whole
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  Speaker 1: bunch of other things that we don't even know we
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  Speaker 1: have yet. Medicines, like you say, are pretty targeted when
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  Speaker 1: they go after the problem, but isn't it nice to
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  Speaker 1: be able to take something like a food or like
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  Speaker 1: a walk or like a drink of water where there
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  Speaker 1: is benefit across the board? And that's what you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to say here, I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. When you pick these healthy lifestyle changes, get back
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  Speaker 2: to the way we were originally designed to be. Most
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  Speaker 2: of the medicines, like we talked about, they're just short-term medicines.
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  Speaker 2: We can change our chemistry naturally. For instance, Charles, if
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  Speaker 2: you're there banging your head into the wall all day,
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  Speaker 2: you're hitting your head over and over, the real treatment
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  Speaker 2: for that is not a pain medication. It's not to
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  Speaker 2: take a narcotic for the If you ask me, the
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  Speaker 2: next segment, I'll tell you a story about a patient
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  Speaker 2: I took care of, Brenda, once. Brenda's a perfect example
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  Speaker 2: of how just too many medicines were put together. But
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  Speaker 2: what I like to tell people is when we realize
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  Speaker 2: that we might have problems with medications, someone out there
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  Speaker 2: might be addicted, or they might be taking too many,
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  Speaker 2: or they might be wanting to approach their doctor, or
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  Speaker 2: they really might be wanting to make a change, something
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  Speaker 2: in their life a little different. In my book, I
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  Speaker 2: go through a few steps. And the first step, number one,
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  Speaker 2: in the solution to this is plug into a relationship
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  Speaker 2: with your creator. That relationship will give you the power
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  Speaker 2: through worship to develop new growth factors in your brain
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  Speaker 2: to help you think better. It will cut down some
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  Speaker 2: of your stress chemistry. You'll start to see truth in
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  Speaker 2: a different manner. So when you're on the medicines, that's
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  Speaker 2: a good first step. The second step is learn everything
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  Speaker 2: you can about medications. Go to the internet. And there's
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  Speaker 2: lots of sites, www.webmd. That's a great site you can
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  Speaker 2: go to. They can go to the physician's desk reference.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big book that's out there. But learn about
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  Speaker 2: your medication so you know the risk and the benefits.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you start making changes, talk to your doctor.
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  Speaker 2: Work with them. Most doctors don't want you on medicines.
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  Speaker 2: They'll take you off of it. So when you do
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  Speaker 2: start making changes in your lifestyle or your medications, make
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  Speaker 2: them slowly. Another thing that I want to add to
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  Speaker 2: that when you're concerned about this is start a movement program.
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  Speaker 2: That seems to help a lot when you start moving,
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  Speaker 2: getting around, because again, that treats a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: chronic disease we have, as well as number five that
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  Speaker 2: I put in my book, getting enough rest. Then after
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  Speaker 2: you do that, start improving your nutrition and also do
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  Speaker 2: things that make you happy. These are some of the
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  Speaker 2: foundation steps that I leave in the book that will
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  Speaker 2: help people start getting practical, giving them a start to
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  Speaker 2: a framework. to start not only changing their chemistry naturally,
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  Speaker 2: but giving them a way to approach, well, I'm on
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  Speaker 2: all these medicines. I know I don't think I should
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  Speaker 2: be on these. Here's some steps I can do to
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  Speaker 2: start help moving away from these.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't stop taking your medicine quite at this moment, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. These are the initial steps.
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  Speaker 2: You know, first you start doing these things. Then you
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  Speaker 2: talk to your doctor who put you on these and
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  Speaker 2: ask about all the risks, all the benefits. And now
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  Speaker 2: that I'm doing these other things, is it possible? that
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  Speaker 2: since I'm exercising, my blood pressure might come down. I
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  Speaker 2: might not use this. Since I'm eating a healthy diet
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  Speaker 2: that's anti-inflammatory and I'm not having the aches and pains,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I can come off my anti-inflammatory medication. So this
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  Speaker 2: is a good place to start.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Very good. Very good. Well, we have a lot to
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  Speaker 1: talk about with Dr. James Markham here on the program.
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  Speaker 1: His book is Medicines That Kill. We'll take a short
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  Speaker 1: break and come back. And he's going to tell us
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  Speaker 1: about Brenda. I can hardly wait to hear this story.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard it in his book. I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 1: hearing him say it on the air. So stay right
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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to HeartWise. I'm your host, Charles Mills.
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  Speaker 1: We're here with Dr. James Markham, founder and director of
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  Speaker 1: the HeartWise Ministries, and he has written a book, Medicines
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  Speaker 1: That Kill. We are talking about that now, and this
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  Speaker 1: is some pretty surprising things, and I believe some very
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  Speaker 1: hopeful things for those who are taking medicines and are saying, man,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just don't like these side effects. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if I can get off There's a good chance
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  Speaker 1: you can, but Dr. Markham has made sure that he
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  Speaker 1: says that you need to do that under your doctor's supervision. Carefully,
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  Speaker 1: carefully do this. And what you do is you change
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  Speaker 1: your chemistries in other ways. Dr. Markham, I've heard you
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  Speaker 1: tell this story before. There was a patient named Brenda
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  Speaker 1: that you had, and she is really representative of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people out there. Tell us the story of
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  Speaker 1: Brenda and what happened to her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brenda has given us permission to use her story
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  Speaker 2: to help other people. And Brenda came to see me
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  Speaker 2: one day in October about four years ago. And Tennessee's
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  Speaker 2: beautiful in October, the air is crisp, brilliant colors. But
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  Speaker 2: when Brenda began to tell me her story, I could
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  Speaker 2: sense that she did not feel this beauty. She was
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  Speaker 2: 43 years old and the mother of two boys, and
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  Speaker 2: they were about 12 and 15. Her main complaints when
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  Speaker 2: she came to me was chest pain, palpitations, and shortness
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  Speaker 2: of breath. Well, unfortunately, she carried extra weight, about 295
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  Speaker 2: pounds on a five-foot, four-inch frame. And my initial impression
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  Speaker 2: that day was that Brenda was just sad. And as
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  Speaker 2: we talked, I found that she had not always been
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  Speaker 2: this way. A few years early, she actually had felt well,
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  Speaker 2: and she just felt overwhelmed. So as I started our relationship,
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  Speaker 2: I said, you know, I realized some of the things
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  Speaker 2: that happened to Brenda, and she told me her story.
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  Speaker 2: And Brenda's story was that, you know, she was being
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  Speaker 2: hurt on many levels, and she tried to feel comfort
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  Speaker 2: from her pain with food. You know, and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: her husband, it started when her husband became drinking and
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  Speaker 2: eventually became an alcoholic. And so Brenda slowly lost the
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  Speaker 2: man who'd been her breastfed. And at that time, eating
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  Speaker 2: helped her cope. So she gained from 195 to 295
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  Speaker 2: in a short period of time. Now, as Brenda gained
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  Speaker 2: this weight, her body chemistry changed dramatically. Her blood pressure
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  Speaker 2: went up and she was prescribed a calcium channel blocker
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  Speaker 2: to lower the blood pressure. This medicine caused a side effect,
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  Speaker 2: caused some swelling in her legs, which sometimes this one does,
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  Speaker 2: so she was given a fluid pill, a diuretic. Well,
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  Speaker 2: this new medication, the diuretic, caused her to lose potassium,
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  Speaker 2: so she began taking a potassium supplement. Her blood pressure
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  Speaker 2: was still too high, so they threw another blood pressure medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Because Brenda became tired and quit exercising, her blood sugar
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  Speaker 2: became elevated. And guess what? She was added on to
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  Speaker 2: medicines for diabetes. The diabetes medicine caused her to become
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  Speaker 2: more and more hungry, which is a side effect of
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  Speaker 2: some of these medicines. And guess what? She ate more
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  Speaker 2: and her weight continued to go. So now by the
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  Speaker 2: time she went to another doctor because she was depressed.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what? I would be depressed too if all
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  Speaker 2: this was going into my life. Instead of getting at
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  Speaker 2: the cause, guess what? An antidepressant was given her. And
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  Speaker 2: she continued to battle these problems for a year. But
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  Speaker 2: the additional weight and nighttime eating were causing another problem,
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  Speaker 2: caused reflux of acid into her esophagus, which made it
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  Speaker 2: hard for her sleep. So the next two medications were
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  Speaker 2: an acid-blocking medicine as well as a sleep aid. Well,
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  Speaker 2: she began sleeping a little bit better but was still tired.
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  Speaker 2: So about six months after that, she was having terrible
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  Speaker 2: back pain and an orthopedist doctor saw her. including an
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  Speaker 2: MRI was done, and she had musculoskeletal inflammation. So guess what?
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  Speaker 2: She was given a muscle relaxant and an anti-inflammatory medication next. Well, again,
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  Speaker 2: this helped for a short time, but it didn't get
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  Speaker 2: at the cause of the problems. So guess what? Because
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  Speaker 2: of the bad pain, she was eventually given a narcotic.
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  Speaker 2: Because of this, her bowels didn't move well. Then she
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  Speaker 2: was given a stool softener. It kept regulating the stools.
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  Speaker 2: Because of all this, eventually they checked her cholesterol. And
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  Speaker 2: guess what? Her cholesterol triglycerides were high. They started a
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  Speaker 2: stat medication to lower the cholesterol. Then she started to
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  Speaker 2: have numbness. So she went to see a neurologist. Another
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  Speaker 2: series of tests was done. And she thought that the
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  Speaker 2: nerves were bothering her. And she yet was started on
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  Speaker 2: another pill to help her nerves. And then when all
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  Speaker 2: that was going on, the palpitations and chest pains were started.
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  Speaker 2: And she was started on another medicine for the palpitations
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  Speaker 2: the day before she arrived in my office.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my.
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  Speaker 2: This was very, very painful because she came to me
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  Speaker 2: on 16 medications. In someone that was not very 43
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  Speaker 2: years old, 16, in just a short period of time,
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  Speaker 2: she was on zero. This is hard to fathom, but
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  Speaker 2: I see this to similar degrees every day. Can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine all the interactions, the side effects, the potential for
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  Speaker 2: mistakes that Brenda had accumulated? You know, all the doctors
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  Speaker 2: certainly wanted to help her, but I realized that they
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  Speaker 2: were not treating the cause of her physical substance. They
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  Speaker 2: were just treating the symptoms and increasing her risk of
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  Speaker 2: having an adverse side effect because of this. But it
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  Speaker 2: took many visits and a few tears. But over time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad to say, as Brenda's now on the right path,
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  Speaker 2: she's coming off of some of these medications now. So really, medications...
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  Speaker 2: If they're not given, they can cause big problems, Charles. Big,
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  Speaker 2: big problems.
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  Speaker 1: Give us some right path here. I mean, you have
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  Speaker 1: really piqued our interest here. What on earth could you
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  Speaker 1: do for Brenda taking 16 medications that brought her down
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  Speaker 1: to zero medications? What are some of the things that
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  Speaker 1: she did?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the first thing we did was we tried to
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  Speaker 2: listen to her and see why things happened. We talked
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: to her and we found out that the real problem,
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  Speaker 2: it seemed like, was her husband being an alcoholic and
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  Speaker 2: not coping well with that. And eating is a way
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  Speaker 2: to cope. And everything started getting worse after that. So
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  Speaker 2: if we could get back to that problem, we could
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  Speaker 2: start getting her well again. So that's what we started.
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  Speaker 2: We started letting her know about all the medications and
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  Speaker 2: what they were doing. And we started figuring out, well,
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  Speaker 2: how are healthy ways she can deal with stress? So
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  Speaker 2: the process was slow, but she learned to exercise. She
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  Speaker 2: learned to eat better. We tried to take off one
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  Speaker 2: medicine at a time. We tried not to eat big
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  Speaker 2: at night, got her off several medicines. But as she
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  Speaker 2: was beginning to lose weight, the diabetes went away. The
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  Speaker 2: reflux went away. The inflammation got better as she lost weight.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the palpitations got better. You know, her taste
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  Speaker 2: for processed foods as we changed her diet, that got better.
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  Speaker 2: She quit eating big meals at night and therefore caffeine
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  Speaker 2: got out of it. She didn't need a pill to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: The sleep pill was actually was given because she was
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  Speaker 2: taking caffeine that kept her awake. Once she lost about
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  Speaker 2: 70 pounds, she was weaned from the oxycodone, the muscle relaxant, anti-inflammatory.
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  Speaker 2: Because of that, the nerve pain got better. We got
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  Speaker 2: off of this. The depression got much better when she exercises.
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  Speaker 2: We gave her some vitamin D and got her out
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  Speaker 2: in the sunshine, gave her some psychotherapy counseling. She started
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  Speaker 2: going back to church. But the most important thing I
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  Speaker 2: think we introduced her to, Charles, was that relationship with God.
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  Speaker 2: He realized that God was there to love her and
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  Speaker 2: hug her, even though things weren't going right. She had
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  Speaker 2: a friend that could help her change her chemistry and
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  Speaker 2: that could turn down all this stress in her life
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  Speaker 2: that gave her something to look forward to. As of
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  Speaker 2: when I wrote the book, she had lost 150 pounds
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  Speaker 2: through God's help. And right now, almost all the medicines
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  Speaker 2: she was on, she's off of them. And I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: to say even her relationship with her family is improving dramatically.
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  Speaker 2: But the key, I think, of all this was understanding
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  Speaker 2: that there was a problem and also understanding that there
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  Speaker 2: was a God there to help her learn what she
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  Speaker 2: needed to do to have healing and be healthy. And
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  Speaker 2: God heals in many ways, Charles. Sometimes he heals through
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  Speaker 2: modern medicine, especially in disasters. God can use doctors to heal.
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  Speaker 2: God can use medicines to heal. Sometimes he heals slowly
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  Speaker 2: as people like Brenda learn what things are dangerous, how
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  Speaker 2: to fix the problems over the long haul by lifestyle changes.
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  Speaker 2: And some people, no matter what they do, Charles, they
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  Speaker 2: have terrible genetics or terrible disease that cannot be cured Well,
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  Speaker 2: we know that in that relationship with God, there's hope
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  Speaker 2: and there's healing in that relationship as well.
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  Speaker 1: Hope and healing, that seems to be the cornerstone of
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  Speaker 1: every conversation I have with you, Dr. Markham, and it's
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: also the cornerstone of the book, Medicines That Kill. That
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  Speaker 1: hope and healing, which is available to us when we
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: make some changes, and it begins with that all-important question of, Why?
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  Speaker 1: Am I right?
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly why. For instance, if a person's on pain medications,
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  Speaker 2: you want to ask the reason, why am I on
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  Speaker 2: this pain medication? Is there anything I can do naturally
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  Speaker 2: to relieve the pain? You know, if you have a
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  Speaker 2: structural problem, can the structural problem be fixed? Is there
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  Speaker 2: physical therapy that can be done to take pressure off
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  Speaker 2: the muscles and nerves? And there's a long list of
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  Speaker 2: different medicines. If you're on a cholesterol-lowering medicine, maybe if
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I exercise and eat right, Maybe my cholesterol will come down.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: The same goes with blood pressure. If I exercise, eat well,
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  Speaker 2: drink more water, maybe there are natural things I can
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  Speaker 2: bring it down. And Brenda, she was on an acid medicine.
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  Speaker 2: Just by not eating big at night and taking caffeine,
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  Speaker 2: she got off that. If someone has a weak immune system,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: maybe they can strengthen their immune system so they might
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: not have to take the risk of antibiotics. If they
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: have type 2 diabetes, which has risen so much over
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the few years, just avoiding fat in their diet and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: in their body, maybe they can get off that. If
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: they watch TV and are stressed at night, maybe they
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: can get off sleep medications that they're on. If they
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: are on a lot of weight loss medications that are risky, well,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: maybe they can get off those by eating healthy and exercising.
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  Speaker 2: If they take too much salt and start starting to swell,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they can get off of diuretics. And the list
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  Speaker 2: goes on and on and on about practical things that
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  Speaker 2: they can do if they're willing to come off their medications.
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  Speaker 2: But it's got to be used with a doctor's guidance
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  Speaker 2: and supervision.
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  Speaker 1: And it begins with that all-important question, why? So, listener,
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  Speaker 1: when you reach for that medicine, you might want to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: ask yourself, why am I taking this? Why did the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: doctor give it to me? And if you can find
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the reason why, you can fix the reason, and the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: why takes care of itself. Good news, Dr.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Markham. That's excellent news. And if a listener has questions
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: on this, pick up a copy of the book and
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: read it. It can be get anywhere. You can go
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to our website. That's heartwiseministries.org. And we want everyone to
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: be healthy and have a healthy relationship with their creator.
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  Speaker 2: Until next time, I'm Dr. James Markham with Charles Mills.
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