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Mike Norvell Never Recovered · College Football with Stugotz & The Bear

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  Speaker 1: College football with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, everyone knows the exact right time to
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  Speaker 2: start a college football show is week four of the
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  Speaker 2: college football season.
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  Speaker 3: There's T-Bob again.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. Special guests. Glad to be back, guys. Love
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  Speaker 4: coming to hang out with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 5: College football.
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  Speaker 3: Mario Cristobal, head coach at the University of Miami. Thank
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  Speaker 3: you for joining us.
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  Speaker 5: I just, I don't find any value in... Humans, like,
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  Speaker 5: just spewing diarrhea out of their mouth. With Stu Gatz.
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  Speaker 5: I can give a rat's fat ass about what he
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  Speaker 5: says or does.
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  Speaker 3: And the bear.
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  Speaker 4: The f * * * ing bear is awesome.
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  Speaker 6: You're listening to College Football with Stu Gatz and the bear.
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  Speaker 2: It is the College Football Show with Stu Gatz and
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  Speaker 2: the bear. And look who's here again. My buddy, T-Bob A-Bear.
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  Speaker 3: Check him out.
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  Speaker 2: Wake up Barstool every day, 8 to 10 a.m. Eastern, FS1,
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  Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. We're coming off an eventful,
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  Speaker 2: eventful is what I was trying to say, college football weekend,
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  Speaker 2: and we're headed into maybe the biggest college football weekend
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  Speaker 2: of the season. And with that, T-Bob, take us away
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  Speaker 2: here because I know I know you enjoyed Mike Norvell
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  Speaker 2: being fired this weekend by Florida State.
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  Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I take no pleasure in Mike Norvell's demise. Let's be
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  Speaker 4: painfully clear about this. Mike Norvell got screwed by big football.
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  Speaker 4: Guys like Bear over here and probably like you, Stu. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: who wanted to carry water for Papa Nick in the
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  Speaker 4: SEC and tell us that for whatever reason, Florida State
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  Speaker 4: did not deserve to make.
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  Speaker 1: The college football.
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  Speaker 5: No better saving left LSU. No better saving left LSU. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: we get it. Okay, Barrett, so you're right.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 4: Florida State could have never lost to Michigan like Alabama
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  Speaker 4: did in the Rose Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Are we going to rejudicate?
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  Speaker 5: Are we just going to rejudicate the 2023 college football
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  Speaker 5: playoff selection process now?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Bayer, because it has relevance because Florida State getting
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  Speaker 4: held out of the playoff in a year they go
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  Speaker 4: undefeated and win the ACC was the biggest college football
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  Speaker 4: crime or black mark against the sport that I have
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  Speaker 4: ever experienced in my entire life of loving and covering
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  Speaker 4: this game.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately for Norvell and company, It was.
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  Speaker 4: A wound so grievous that the infection could not be beat.
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  Speaker 1: They went septic. They died. Yes, Mikey.
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  Speaker 6: For the record, anybody who wants to do kind of
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  Speaker 6: like something in this area. This is my text chain
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  Speaker 6: all weekend. This going back and forth about something that
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  Speaker 6: happened almost a decade ago is what my phone was
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  Speaker 6: blowing up all weekend.
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  Speaker 3: So please, finish it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how to mute it, how
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  Speaker 2: to block it, how to get out of it, and
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, you know what?
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  Speaker 4: Why don't you guys apologize then? Because when it happened,
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  Speaker 4: the day it happened, that selection show, I'm driving to
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  Speaker 4: Disney with the family. I stop at Bucky's. I get
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  Speaker 4: fresh brisket on the board. The manager comes out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, hey, T-Bob, I'm a big fan of snaps.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a big college football fan. I'm a Florida State guy.
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  Speaker 4: You think we got it? I told the poor guy, look,
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  Speaker 4: y'all have earned it. There is no way they can't
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  Speaker 4: put you in this playoff. If they do, it's an
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  Speaker 4: absolute travesty to the integrity of the sport itself. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 4: apologize to him. Because his program never recovered. And now
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  Speaker 4: he has to pay Mike Norvell $ 50 million not to coach.
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  Speaker 3: Never would have happened. Hold on, Bear.
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  Speaker 2: Mikey A just sent in the group text, hey, tell
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  Speaker 2: T-Bob to back off the mic. but he's fired up today.
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  Speaker 2: He's mad at me for shoving words into his mouth
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  Speaker 2: about being excited over Mike Norvell, and he's defending himself
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  Speaker 2: and his beloved group text.
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  Speaker 3: I am sorry, T-Bob. I didn't mean to upset you.
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  Speaker 3: I love you very much. Go ahead, Bear.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe he should have done a better job, like kind
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  Speaker 5: of dealing with it and kind of turning the focus
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  Speaker 5: towards the following year and building his program back up
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  Speaker 5: to overcome COVID. Disappointment like many teams have done in
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  Speaker 5: the past after PCS and college football playoff slights. Look,
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  Speaker 5: I'll say what I said at the time back in 2023.
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  Speaker 5: The Jordan Travis injury is what kept Florida State out
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  Speaker 5: of the playoff. And it sucked and it was awful.
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  Speaker 5: But the college football playoff hasn't written in there for
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  Speaker 5: this situation. like judging teams, what they are taking into
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  Speaker 5: account injuries and who you have a player available, like
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  Speaker 5: that matters. And what you saw from Florida state at
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback position in the very limited sample size that
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  Speaker 5: you had, it was not the same team that had
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  Speaker 5: won all those games in the ACC throughout the regular season.
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  Speaker 5: It was not that undefeated team. So it did it suck. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: But I agreed with the move. Like the, The thing
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  Speaker 5: that no one really talks about all the time is
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  Speaker 5: that the Brock Bowers injury basically is what cost them
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  Speaker 5: the spot. Because if a healthy Bowers, Georgia beats Alabama,
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  Speaker 5: Georgia's in, Texas is in, who the hell else was it?
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  Speaker 5: Michigan and Florida State gets in. Or whoever. That's ultimately
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  Speaker 5: what happens. But it's the same kind of thing for
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  Speaker 5: Florida State this year. Not for Florida State, but spinning
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  Speaker 5: it forward to this year. This is how the college
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  Speaker 5: football playoff committee is going to have to judge Ohio
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  Speaker 5: State now moving forward.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Like without Julian saying this is who they are. This
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  Speaker 5: is who they're going to be. And if they're 10
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  Speaker 5: and two, nine and three, whatever, whether they make it,
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  Speaker 5: they're seating, whatever else. This is why I like there
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  Speaker 5: being some type of like human focus of this that
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  Speaker 5: can kind of separate what Ohio State was pre-Indiana is
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  Speaker 5: completely different from what they are now.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And the committee will announce their rankings for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow night. But I want to ask you, I want
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  Speaker 2: to stay on Florida State here just for a second.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll ask both you guys these questions. We're in
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  Speaker 2: such a weird time in college football in 2026. So
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  Speaker 2: does Florida State, does that job still carry the same appeal,
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  Speaker 2: the same cachet as it used to?
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  Speaker 3: Let me try it this way.
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  Speaker 2: Would Will Stein leave Kentucky if Florida State wanted Will Stein.
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  Speaker 3: To be the head coach at Florida State?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Bear, you probably give it to me. You
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  Speaker 2: guys realize that is crazy. That answer is crazy still.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy to me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't disagree.
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  Speaker 4: And this is where I want to lean on Bear, though,
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  Speaker 4: because being the Miami guy, I'm sure you're much more
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  Speaker 4: in tune with Florida State's resources. But it feels like
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  Speaker 4: even going back to Jimbo. Florida State was kind of
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  Speaker 4: unwilling to commit financially to football. Like at the same
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  Speaker 4: rate that their peers were, it was Jimbo's big thing
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  Speaker 4: that pissed him off for years, why he left for
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  Speaker 4: A & M. In the NIL era, they're kind of
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  Speaker 4: talking about they don't have the money to pay Norvell
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  Speaker 4: and they got to find it somehow. Like, I just
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  Speaker 4: don't think financially, maybe they are as well suited as
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  Speaker 4: to some of the new money elites of the college
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  Speaker 4: football world.
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  Speaker 5: No, they definitely aren't. And they, They spent money. You
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  Speaker 5: never want to say spending money to redo your stadium
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  Speaker 5: and some of your facilities. You never want to say
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  Speaker 5: that's the wrong path now. But they could have had
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  Speaker 5: James Franklin last year. If they would have cut the
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  Speaker 5: cord with Mike Norvell then, and you knew last year–
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  Speaker 5: what was going to, you knew this was not going
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  Speaker 5: to get better. You should have made the decision then,
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  Speaker 5: but because of the financial restrictions that they have and
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  Speaker 5: the situation that they're in, the money was even worse
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  Speaker 5: then than it is now. That's going to be the
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  Speaker 5: problem moving forward. What type of coach, who are you
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  Speaker 5: going to be able to attract now, knowing that you've
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  Speaker 5: got to pay Norvell now, knowing that you've got to
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  Speaker 5: pay off whatever assistance, knowing you've got to hire a
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  Speaker 5: new coach, knowing you need to bring in better players
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  Speaker 5: and pay for a better roster. Like they are in
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  Speaker 5: a bad, bad, bad spot right now, especially with the
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  Speaker 5: way Miami's going. Summerlin, Florida got a couple of big
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  Speaker 5: wins this year. Like Will Stein, he's got more resources
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  Speaker 5: at Kentucky than he would at Florida State. Like you
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  Speaker 5: hear like Manny Diaz's name thrown around at Duke, the
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  Speaker 5: Florida State alum. Like you hear Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State,
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  Speaker 5: but I mean, Arizona State probably has more resources than
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  Speaker 5: Florida State does right now. This is not going to
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  Speaker 5: be like the worst thing or like it might come
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  Speaker 5: out wrong. If they wind up hiring maybe someone like
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  Speaker 5: Jason Eck from New Mexico, who's a program builder, who
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  Speaker 5: makes chicken salad out of chicken shit and has done
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  Speaker 5: it in places with no resources, that's probably a really,
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  Speaker 5: really good hire for Florida State. Because I think that's
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  Speaker 5: kind of what they are, at least for the short term. Hey,
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  Speaker 5: we need to find bare bones talent. We need to
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  Speaker 5: keep guys around here and develop them. That might be
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  Speaker 5: what Florida State is for them. the 2026 or 27,
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  Speaker 5: 27 season, 28 season, then moving forward, maybe they go on,
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  Speaker 5: but yeah, I don't know right now how great and
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  Speaker 5: how appealing of a job, uh, that this might be.
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  Speaker 5: It's still Florida state and they've got their tradition and
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  Speaker 5: the Heisman winners and bowed in and the Domhawk shop and,
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  Speaker 5: and the support of the fans that, that are there. But, uh,
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  Speaker 5: It's certainly number three among the big three in the
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  Speaker 5: state right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, another name to look out for
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  Speaker 1: is definitely Jake Dickert, Wake Forest.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if he has a clause in his
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  Speaker 4: contract that might stop him from going to another ACC
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  Speaker 4: school if he can get around that. But again, he
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  Speaker 4: has the lowest build roster in the entire power four.
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  Speaker 4: And look at the results that he's been able to
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  Speaker 4: turn in uh, on Florida state a couple. I thought
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  Speaker 4: the president, it was either the president or AD said
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  Speaker 4: something really fascinating, Stu. And let's be clear again, Stu,
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  Speaker 4: you'll love this. Mike Norvell, $ 50 million buyout. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Get fired.
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  Speaker 4: Here's $ 50 million. Congrats to him. That's $ 2. 25 million per
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  Speaker 4: win when it's all said and done at FSU. But
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  Speaker 4: the president of the AD said something fascinating. They said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it got to the point where it's like,
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  Speaker 4: we can't afford not to fire him. That's how topsy-turvy
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  Speaker 4: the financials are when you're discussing firing a college head
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  Speaker 4: coach because, yes, it's a $ 50 million price tag to fire,
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  Speaker 4: but you're weighing that against unrealized money left on the
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  Speaker 4: table by not being relevant, by failing, by not having
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  Speaker 4: people care and advertisers care and people show.
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  Speaker 1: Up to games.
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  Speaker 4: And it's harder to calculate that number, but that statement
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  Speaker 4: let me know that's a very real number. And then
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  Speaker 4: I'll ask you this, and then we'll move on. What
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  Speaker 4: is Florida State actually, though? Incredible during Bowden, right? Really
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  Speaker 4: good during Jimbo. But help me out if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 4: but when Bowden went there, Florida State was never good
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  Speaker 4: in their history before them. Florida State has been bad
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  Speaker 4: for a way larger swath of time than when they
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  Speaker 4: were good. And when they were great, they were tied
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  Speaker 4: to one of the five greatest coaches ever in college football.
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  Speaker 3: Bear, I guess I would equate this job kind of
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  Speaker 3: like LSU.
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  Speaker 2: If there is a coach out there who still covets
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  Speaker 2: and craves and grew up wanting to be the head
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  Speaker 2: coach at Florida State, because Lane didn't have to leave Mississippi.
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  Speaker 2: It's essentially the same job, Mississippi and LSU in 2026.
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  Speaker 2: I know T-Bob doesn't want to hear this. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: but Lane respects and appreciates what that job means, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe there's a coach out there that we're not thinking
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  Speaker 2: of that respects and appreciates and has wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: the Florida state head coach for as long as that
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  Speaker 2: coach can remember.
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  Speaker 3: Is that fair? I mean, I think that's bad.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's many TST, Bob.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I think you just described him.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No, look, I stood the brand definitely still has cachet.
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  Speaker 4: The only thing I'll push back on is LSU remains
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  Speaker 4: the flagship in some of the most fertile, talented ground
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  Speaker 4: in America.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. Like there is no in-state competition.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Now you have the governor funneling all of his
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  Speaker 4: political machines money into the program. Like there are advantages
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  Speaker 4: that an FSU there does not have.
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  Speaker 1: Homer! And an Ole Miss does not have. I'm just like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: just call like I see it, Stu.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just making the point that I understand where LSU
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  Speaker 2: was at and where FSU was at. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: both of them are storied programs with rich histories.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe perhaps there's a coach out there who said,
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  Speaker 3: you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. I want to be the Florida State.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be the guy that brings Florida State
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  Speaker 2: back to Providence. There might be that guy.
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  Speaker 3: You never know.
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  Speaker 5: And that you also just described. Mario Cristobal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like he, he wanted to be the head coach at
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  Speaker 5: Miami and his alma mater so badly and be the
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  Speaker 5: guy that brought them back to owning the state of
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  Speaker 5: Florida and recruiting and winning and bringing a national championship.
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  Speaker 5: You just described. So yeah, there probably is somebody out there.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I said, man, he's name as well, but there,
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  Speaker 5: there may be another guy out there as well. That, that,
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  Speaker 5: that's the bill. We'll say, Hey, I'll, I'll take a,
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  Speaker 5: I'll take a little bit of a discount to, to
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  Speaker 5: come here. and be the guy and help the program
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  Speaker 5: big picture.
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  Speaker 4: And you got to give credit to Cristobal because a
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  Speaker 4: few years ago, bear, he had the press conference.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I hope this shows everybody who runs the state,
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  Speaker 1: who the big dog is.
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  Speaker 4: And I think he's undefeated against Florida and Florida state since,
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  Speaker 4: and both coaches got fired since that press conference. So
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  Speaker 4: Mario Cristobal continues to back it up. Number one team
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  Speaker 4: in the entire country.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get there.
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  Speaker 4: Ben Arbuckle, Oklahoma OC also fired. I think that's the
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  Speaker 4: most obvious move in the entire world.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it took so long.
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  Speaker 1: Probably be next. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Um, and so before you get into games, we're
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  Speaker 4: saying goodbye to those. Let's, let's say, welcome in to
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  Speaker 4: New Mexico. You mentioned Jason at New Mexico ranked in
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  Speaker 4: the AP poll for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: In 90 years. We love to see it.
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  Speaker 5: Congrats to New Mexico. Shout out to the Lobos. I
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  Speaker 5: thought you were going to welcome in and say hello to, uh,
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  Speaker 5: to Jason. When is it going to be calling the
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  Speaker 5: plays in, uh, and Norman for the remainder of the
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  Speaker 5: year for, uh, for Inventables.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's, I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jason Whitten is going to be, uh,
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  Speaker 5: help call plays here the rest of the year. Like that,
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  Speaker 5: that's a situation. Like if you look at Oklahoma, like there,
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  Speaker 5: there's a chance they might miss a bowl. Like, like
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  Speaker 5: they may win only one of their remaining four games
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  Speaker 5: and it's a bad deal. Uh, they're losing to South
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  Speaker 5: Carolina and what they have, uh, coming up again, we
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  Speaker 5: talk about, you talk about the buyout for, uh, for
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  Speaker 5: Mike Dorval and some of the, I just don't understand
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the, a lot of the decisions that
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  Speaker 5: these college football programs and these administrations make. I, why
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  Speaker 5: are you extending and giving Brent Venables a new deal
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  Speaker 5: before the season? Like, no one's coming, knocking down your
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  Speaker 5: door in Norman, Oklahoma, to hire Brent Venables away. And
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  Speaker 5: now you're sitting here like, holy shit. Like we're, we
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  Speaker 5: are an absolute dumpster fire. And if you, if the
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  Speaker 5: Arbuckle firing and whoever is going to be ultimately a
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  Speaker 5: new offensive coordinator, then we're, and you're going to be
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  Speaker 5: one of being on the hook. Like, Where does the
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  Speaker 5: cycle of madness, like people are so pissed off about
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  Speaker 5: players getting paid and, and getting their worth and compensate
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  Speaker 5: on like, where does the madness stop in overpaying and
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  Speaker 5: giving these coaches ridiculous deals that you're going to absolutely
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  Speaker 5: be on the hook for from hell of a lot
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  Speaker 5: more money than you're paying on for your roster.
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  Speaker 1: Stu, do you know anything about mystery? The pickup artist?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, no.
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  Speaker 1: Back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, he had an old VH one show, but he's
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  Speaker 4: the guy who invented terms like, like negging, right? Where
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  Speaker 4: you are, uh, purposefully insulting a girl, uh, to, to,
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  Speaker 4: or somebody you're trying to sleep with male or female
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  Speaker 4: in order to try to make them feel insecure and,
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  Speaker 4: and make them kind of overcompensating. Once you, uh, Jimmy
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Sexton is just the master of negging. Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: He just goes to all these schools.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: He makes them feel like, look, my guy's going to
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: leave you. You're not that hot. You're not funny. Your
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: job's not that good. There's way better jobs out there.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: What are you going to do for me? And every
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: time it works. Shout out Jimmy Sexton.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Someone needs to call Jimmy Sexton on his bullshit. And
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: I like Jimmy.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Well, no one's going to. I mean... Okay, go ahead.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Please, go.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: You want to know why? Because you follow that up
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: by saying, and I like Jimmy.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: That's how you know he swings a big stick, too.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Shout out to our shadow lord of college football, Jimmy Sexton.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do this. Quick break.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: When we get back, let's get into the games themselves.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Ohio State suffers.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Outside of that Michigan game, the worst, one of the
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: more perplexing bad losses of the Ryan Day era. It's
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: a massive win for Lincoln Riley.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: We had the.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Best college football, maybe best football kicking sequence of all time.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Let's get into all of it next here on the
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: College Football Show. It's your Godson Bear.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: What's happening, y'all?
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the College Football Show. It's two guys
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: to the Bear. Ohio State loses to USC. Lincoln Riley
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Bear finally gets the big win. It's been a long
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: time in L.A. He finally gets it. And he opens
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: up his post-game press conference with a prepared.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Written statement, which is absurd in and of itself. And
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: then he flubs the first sentence and says the exact
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: opposite of what he's trying to say. I don't get it, dude.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Like, Lincoln, he finally has his moment. And then in
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: my mind, he immediately trips on his fight.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: He's spitting out venom. Yes, yes.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: No, but when you have a prepared statement and you're
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: sitting on that statement for as long as Lincoln's been
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: sitting on that statement, just waiting for your signature win.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you think about it too much, Bear, and then you
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: botch the first sentence and it doesn't come out well.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: You're 1-9 against top 10 teams and 0-5 at SC
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: as a dog and you get the win. We even
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: talked about if it wasn't going to happen then, when
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: the hell was it going to happen against a backup
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: quarterback and as a freshman and just bad weather. The
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: game just went perfectly for USC. You score a big
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: play early on. Ohio State's chasing from behind the rest
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: of the way and it was I did not get
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: a good vibe throughout the week about Ohio state. But again,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: I just said, yeah, you called it. And that was
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: the thing last week. Like I was like, how can
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: we expect USC to do something that they haven't done before?
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: But you just got a feeling like if it wasn't
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: going to be now, when would it be? And now
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: you like the big 10 is like this beautiful mind
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: mess of Ohio state without a quarterback, Indiana without a quarterback, uh,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: UCLA's undefeated. Oregon's got a backup quarterback. USC is kind
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: of still in it a little bit. All of these
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: teams could either get to the Big Ten championship game,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: not make the Big Ten championship game, make the playoff,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: miss the playoff. It's a complete disaster. And as I
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: was hitting on before, how are we going to judge?
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: I thought Ohio State, and I said it on Big
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Noon on Saturday, was like, they... might have been able
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: to manage their way through this because you had nebraska
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: coming up who can't score against anybody you got michigan
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: and their awful quarterback play you've got oregon with the
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: backup quarterback and then you had had you so like
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: If they lose another game, it's going to be an
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: interesting conversation because then you're going to see a team
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: that lost a couple of games without Julian Sane, and
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: they're 4-4 on their last eight games against Power Four teams.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: So it's an interesting dilemma now moving forward for the
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: last eight. Oregon can still get to the Big Ten
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: championship game. It's amazing the permutations and the possibilities atop
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: this league that you might wind up with. Potentially the
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: same number or more number of playoff teams from the
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Big 12 than you do the Big 10.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: You want to talk about a team that we've played
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: with this year, which is like college football becoming more
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: kind of game day focused in that like it's less
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: maybe about the program you build as much as about
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: like what's your game plan for that day kind of
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: NFL like I mean, look at Dylan Raiola. He was
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: awful one week, he gets binged, all of a sudden
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: he's fantastic Saturday, and they upset Northwestern, which I say
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: that with emphasis because I don't know if that sentence
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: quite makes sense, but it is how the two have
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: been playing this year. This Ohio State one's an odd
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: one to me, Bear, and I want to see if
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: you agree, because if you were to close your eyes
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: and just look at the box score... it would appear
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: that Ohio State should have dominated. I mean, 25 first
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: downs to 15, 40 minutes time of possession to 20.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: They outrushed USC by 100 yards. They didn't turn it
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: over a ton. The turnover battle was even, one to one.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, so what went wrong? At the
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: end of the day, it was Ohio State settling for
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: field goals or having a lot of drives that went
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: but didn't finish, and then a lack of explosivity post
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Julian Sayen, whereas USC was kind of defined by their
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: explosivity this game. I mean, Mark Bowman, the freshman tight end,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: with maybe the play of the year with the hurdle
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: and the run to put the kind of nail in
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: the coffin As USC goes up 27-9 Saturday.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: And you can't allow a third and 18 run for
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: first down.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: As inexperienced as their quarterback situation was, their defense really
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: let them down with the number of big plays that
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: they allowed USC. So I think that's probably more what
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Ryan Day and Ohio State will be more upset about
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: was that their defense really let them down. Their offense
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: played well enough to potentially keep them in the game
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: and win the game, but they just couldn't stop SC
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: from getting in the end zone. One other thing. Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Sitting here thinking about Ohio state and the new, we've
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: talked about the new era of football with Florida state
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: and where they fall. Like if Ohio state loses a
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: third game and Ohio state had, doesn't have like a
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: quarterback ready to play right now. Like if it could
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: happen at Ohio state, Like it could happen anywhere in
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: college football. If Ohio state isn't foolproof to this era,
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: nobody is foolproof. Cause I think what is it? It's
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: been like 2000, like.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: 2012 was the last time they lost more than two
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: games in a regular.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Season, which, which, which is amazing.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: So this is completely unprecedented and you can like the era,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: you can dislike the era, but I guess the opening
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: up to the free market and bringing the paper player
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: is kind of, kind of create a little bit of
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: a backup quarterback. That's why I thought Oregon was in
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: such a great spot before the year, because I thought
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Dylan Rayola was a really good backup quarterback, and he
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: came in and absolutely shit the bed when he was
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: forced to start.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but even there, we find the kind of
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: up-and-down nature of Rayola this year, because when he came
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: in mid-game, he was great. And he helped them finish
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: off that win against Nebraska, right? Or no, no, sorry,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: that was the other game.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, whatever. They finished off against SC.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes. And they got benched, but then came in
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: and beat Nebraska because all Nebraska knows is heartbreak and
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: defeat and despair.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: How about that?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: And that continued this weekend.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Speaking of contracts, you really wish you didn't hire.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, just wait until we play the Matt Rule money
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: per win.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Game when we extend it to his Panthers tenure.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Like when you factor in the Panther money, guys, it
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: puts even Brian Kelly to shame.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It is unbelievable.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Yes. All right, let's get to Indiana, Minnesota, though, because, Bear,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: you're talking about the madness of the Big Ten. The
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: one team that kind of remains competent in winning are.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Of course, Signetix Hoosiers.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Because it remains insane. And I'm of two minds. On
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: one hand, they are absolutely way more flawed. You want
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to say they're not that good. They're not dominant, sure.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: But again, what a sign of a solid program and
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: coach that they are consistently winning these small margin games
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: where you have to make the plays. I think that's
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: what great programs and teams do. And in this one, guys,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: we saw. the best sequence of kicking that we've ever
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: seen with Minnesota knocks in a 60-yarder, less than 30 seconds,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: should have won the game, and then Indiana comes right back,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: and thanks to the Charlie Becker catch, they knock in
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: a 60-yarder to go to OT.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely absurd.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: And that was despite the Kurt Cignetti's best efforts to
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: completely botch and ruin and go against every end of
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: game block management situation imaginable.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: He was trying to lose that game, Bear.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: He was trying.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: And again, you talked about the Ohio State box score. Like,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Indiana should have been up a hell of a lot
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: more in this game. They got the Shank punt in
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Minnesota with the gadget play to get their first touchdown.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Like at that point, you kind of knew Indiana was
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: going to be in trouble. And we knew Jehova has
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: been playing for weeks injured. We'd known that. And finally
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: it caught up to him. Like, is the backup the
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: answer moving forward? Like, I don't know. Like you get
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: SC at home and then you should be, be Purdue.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: And I forget who else they have remaining on their schedule. Yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: they continue to rub the lucky rabbit's foot and win
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: these games and pull them out of their ass, but
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I don't have a great feeling moving forward long-term about
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: IU making a run in the college football playoff despite
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: having a really good defense. Unless Hoover magically gets healthy
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden and he can kind of recreate it,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: but he has been really bad certainly the last three
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: weeks in Indiana. easily could have lost whether it was
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: any of it. It's really easy because it'll lost all
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: four of the games. The Nebraska game, Nebraska game was
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: easily losable. Michigan game was easily losable. And certainly last
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: week was easily losable as well. And UCLA is now
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: in that spot this week. Right. They got to go
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: to Minnesota, who is, who knows if, if we're on
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: the boat, PJ can get them back off the deck
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: and ready to go. But UCLA laying like six points
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: on the road. Like this is the, like the last
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: two weeks, we've had 15 ranked teams on the road
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: against unranked teams. Nine of them have lost outright. And
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: UCLA has got that big circle around them this week,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: like a six point favorite at Minnesota, who I think
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: UCLA has such a small margin for, for, for winning.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: They rely on turnovers and if they don't get them,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: we ultimately could see them wind up with a couple
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: of losses.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Guys, it's interesting because we talk about coaches and adjusting
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: to what college football is in 2026, and perhaps there
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: will be more emphasis on a backup quarterback, but it
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: seems like the guy who is most prepared for this
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: is Cignetti. Grant Wilson, say what you will, he came in,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: he replaced Hoover, he was 9-17, 156, a touchdown, no interceptions.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: He's competent.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: He's good enough for Indiana to to continue to win
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: football games and continue.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: To make it to the college football playoff.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Perhaps Cignetti has figured out just how important having a
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: competent backup actually is in this era.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Well, and one thing about Curtin, I don't know why
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: he doesn't get this tag, but he's a quarterback whisperer.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: If you go all the way back to 2019, wherever
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: he has been at, they get a new quarterback, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: the guy immediately goes all-conference. Now, Hoover has not taken
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: the jump he wanted this year, but it's still been
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: a way cleaner brand of football than Hoover's ever played
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: before in his entire life. And when it's all said
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: and done, Bear, we're probably looking at Indiana and Cignetti
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: making three playoffs in a row. Again, I agree with you,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: not a championship team, but for Indiana to just make
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the playoff for a third year in a row is
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: almost a championship in and of itself. And remember, he's
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: the only man on planet Earth, who has the very
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: rare Stugatz lifetime pass.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Yes. So, I mean, Curt is still up.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: No pressure.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: No. Can you imagine, by the way, if we're getting Indiana, UCLA,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: and Indy for the Big Ten title? Like, oh, I'll
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: put an over-under on UCLA fans and Lucas Oil that
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: night for that game. Good God.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the MLA guys will learn about Indianapolis. I've heard
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it's great.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: All right, let's go to a quick break here, then
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: we'll wrap up the show. On today's College Football Show,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: it's you guys, The Bear. All right, welcome back to
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: College Football Show with your guys and the Bear, where
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: we discuss all things college football.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: And, Bear, I'll go to you.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Miami.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: What do I do with you? I mean, you're, you know.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: What do I do with you?
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're number one in the country. You got an
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: eight pack. You got a great jawline.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But you got some red flags.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: You do.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if I fully trust you.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Yes. I mean, you almost lost to the coach who
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: was just fired in Florida State.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: A guy comes around looking all busty and all your
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: defenses fall.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's going on here, Bear?
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Where are you at with Miami Hurricanes as a national
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: championship contender?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: How should we think about them?
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: I still think I would, as a Miami alum, I
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: would not trade places with anybody right now.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: You're number one. Why would you?
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Look at the rest of it. Who would you rather?
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: Would you rather be Georgia? Would you rather be Notre Dame?
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Would you rather be Indiana? Would you rather be Ohio State?
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: Would you rather be UC?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Like, this is what.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about. Everybody has flaws. And despite everything that's
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: gone wrong at times for Miami, they found a way
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: to win. Like, that's what I was sitting there in
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: the second half, and I was texting– our big Miami,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: just get one stop and we're going to be okay
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: because you can get that two score cushion. That's ultimately
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: what happened. But I will say give Bobby Petrino and
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Bill Belichick a frigging ton of credit. I think they
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: exposed what a lot of us have thought was the
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: weakest area for Miami entering the year, and that's their
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: linebacking core, their inability to cover guys. If you've got
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: a tight end, the quality of Thurman, you can do
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: a lot of damage in the middle of the field.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: Everybody's got the injuries. Miami has them as well. You've
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: got to work and play through them. I will say
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: I wonder if maybe, like this is the optimist in me,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: I wonder if maybe they've been saving some things because
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: they felt like they could just get to this point,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: whatever they were doing, and then when they get to
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame, break them out and not show any new
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: tendencies on tape because it looked like Petrino and Belichick
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: kind of figured out a lot of their blitz games.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: So maybe Corey Heatherman has some stuff waiting in the wings.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: I'm sure they're going to mix something up and do
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: something differently because if they do that against C.J. Carr–
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: Who knows how that goes. But offensively, they're going to
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: score a ton. Notre Dame's got a million injuries on
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: the defensive side of the ball as well. I don't
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: think they're going to slow down Miami. This feels like
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: a very high-scoring game. I love the fact that it
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: appears now that a lot of people are picking Notre
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Dame to win this game. You've seen the line move
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: and touch six in a lot of spots. The respect, again,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: this is going to come out. in a way that's
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: going to sound like negative, like the, the respect of
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame. We've talked about like expecting you see USC
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: to do something.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: They haven't done.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Like, Notre Dame, everybody that they played that's been good
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: the last couple.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Of years, they've lost too.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: This is a massive game for them. If they lose
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: this game, the roars for them to miss the playoff
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: are going to be loud. Can Marcus Freeman win a
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: big regular season game? They made the run in the playoffs,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: style-made fights, and they got it great, and they played great,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: and got to the championship game. But the regular season
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: big game, whether it was last year Miami, last year
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: A & M, some of the other games that they've had,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: they've lost them all. So we'll see what happens. It's
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: a massive game for Notre Dame on Saturday night, and
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: we will see if Chris Asher, that defense, can draw
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: something up to slow down Miami because I feel good
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: about Miami's offense, but yes, I do think C.J. Carr
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: and the Notre Dame offense will certainly have opportunities to.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Move the ball.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and to be clear, Stu here, the point that
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I'm getting at is not to say that Miami's not
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: great because they're number one, and I think they are,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: but we can all agree there is no... There is
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: no prohibitive favorite, no proverbial thousand-pound gorilla in the room. No.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: This is as wide open of a field as we
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: have ever seen in our entire lifetimes.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: That said, I cannot wait to watch Malachi, Tony, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Darren Mensah play football on a big stage on Saturday
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: because those two are incredible.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: We'll talk more about the game as we get closer
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: to it, but I do wonder if any of this
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: factors in because I do believe it does factor in
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: where Notre Dame cannot afford to lose another game and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Miami can't. And so just from a mentality standpoint, Bear,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: and you're right about everything you said, Notre Dame has
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to win this game. Freeman needs a kind of a
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: signature win, needs to win a game like this at
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: home against the best team in the country, especially when
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: he's ranked in the top five and has this kind
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: of talent, especially at the quarterback position. But I do
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: think there's an urgency to the team that just has
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: one loss as opposed to the team that can afford
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: a loss and still make it to the playoff, you know?
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, there certainly is. I will say I would expect–
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Mario gets a lot of grief sometimes from people questioning.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: His winning and whatever.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: You never have to– since he got the thing turned
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: around and flushed out the bad eggs, the bad seeds
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: from the program, like a big game, they've shown up
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: every time. So people think you expect– Notre Dame to
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: win this game by more than a touchdown and kind
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: of didn't just kind of handle Miami with it. That's
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: not going to happen. Every big game that they've had
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: under him, they have played well, win or lose. So I,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: it's going to be a, uh, a close game regardless.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Hopefully it'll be, uh, from the, for the Miami alumni,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: a little bit different than the one versus four, uh,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: in 1988. And, uh, as Jimmy said, don't leave it
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: up to the officials. Uh, yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: And again, you look at the whole slate this weekend, guys,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: we're in for, uh, the, one of the more legendary
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: college football slates in all memory. So we'll get to
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: that on next episode, uh, to wrap up here. Congrats
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: to Ference getting it done.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: There you go. I mean, we kind of knew it
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: was going to happen.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Uh, kind of happened you know this is a bit
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: of like uh if a tree falls in a wood
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: and nobody listens does it actually fall but texas tech
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: quietly bouncing back and beating arizona in a game in
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: which arizona was giving them all they could handle early
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: on maybe texas tech has some uh something left to
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: say this this college football season bear.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah and they they had a big one coming up
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: uh at oklahoma state i think it is next week
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: and uh if they win that game you would assume
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: that there will be uh 11-1 and probably back in
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: the Big 12 championship game against the winner of BYU-Utah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I've not gotten down and looked at all the permutations
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: for that, but I think off the top of my head,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: that's what we'll be looking at, Texas Tech versus the winner,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: and have another shot to get back to the college
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: football playoff. But yeah, I think going to Castellanos, I
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: think helped that offense as well. They got a big
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: block field goal as well. But yeah, what Texas Tech did,
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, what... Utah did at Cincinnati is what I
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: expected Texas tech to do two weeks ago at Cincinnati.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Cause that was, you do, you talk about an absolute
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: ass kicking, like Utah just came out and kicked the
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: shit out of Cincinnati. Holy war be damned. We're not
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: looking ahead. We are knocking out Cincinnati from the get-go
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: and we'll worry about that next week. But yeah, first
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: time ever to top 10 teams, BYU, Utah, Utah, 10 a.m.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: local kick.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Well, lame.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: But then again, like nobody's better suited for that stage
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: in the Mormons.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: They hate alcohol and love caffeine. 10 a.m. is kind
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: of their prime time.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: It's a little bit late. I got to be honest.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. They're going to be the fourth, fifth, 30
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: soda at that point. No, I'd say this about Utah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Congrats to them. God, it has to suck to be
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: a Michigan fan because you've got to be questioning everything.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle Winham's been an absolute disappointment. You almost
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: lose to Rutgers.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: And then you're looking, you're like, wait a second, Utah
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: ran Winningham off for Scali.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And now Utah's third in the country and undefeated. Wait,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I thought we like, yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: They just completely gaslit themselves all offseason. And it's kind
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: of coming to fruition here. So, T's and P's to
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: the Michigan fans out there. especially my boss, that Dave Porter.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: He's a good guy, okay? You're going to back off, Dave.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Back off. Let that man live.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, he's living, don't he? You never have to worry
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: about Dave living.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: He's living just fine, Bear, yes.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: He made me very hungry. For some reason, all of
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: the Connecticut pizza stops, I've got my Instagram algorithm, so
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: we had to have pizza last night for dinner. for
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: dinner as well so so.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: I love i love uh uh and i'm and this
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: is not a shot because i'm the exact same way
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: but i do love bear for some reason the the
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: pizza videos came up on my algorithm i don't know
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: yeah it's like me it's like they just keep hitting
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: me with all these delicious cheeseburger videos and.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Steaks, and I don't know why. It's like, what the hell?
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: I wonder how and.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Why. Have you given chili another shot? Have you gone
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: to a different recipe since?
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I did a second chili, and it was better. It
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: was better, but I didn't get the texture right.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Still not good.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: And then my wife made a chili, and absolutely chili
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: mocked me.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: This weekend.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: Got to have a little masa handy, a little masa
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: flour kind of to thicken it up a little bit
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: every now and then.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: See, so I wanted to develop flavor, and so I
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: simmered mine too much and lost too much liquid, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't add as I went along.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: But I'm learning. I'm learning.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I've got to give a quick shout-out to the neighborhood, though,
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: because I went trick-or-treating with the kids on Saturday, four hours.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: It was fantastic.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: And in route, other houses, neighborly people, I got fed Fireball, Malort... bourbon, beer,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: apple brandy cider, which I've never had before. So just
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: a fantastic autumnal Saturday, doing a little trick-or-treating and getting drunk.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: With the other dads in the neighborhood. Shout out to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you guys.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Do you know if the neighbors listen or not? If not,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: it's an empty shout-out. I mean... Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: It's like the tree falling in the woods.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Just need one.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: That's right, guys.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: I don't even know the neighbors. To be fair, the
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: neighbors that gave me the drinks were just random neighbors.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Like guys I never met before, they were just posted
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: up just handing these things out. They had candy for
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: the kids and fireball shooters for the adults.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: I was flying home, so I didn't get a chance
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: to be here for all the trick-or-treaters. My wife told
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: me that one of the trick-or-treaters that came to the
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: house said that we were the fifth best house on
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: the block, which I thought was pretty impressive to them.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Our neighbor down, a couple down, Andrea, they had the
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: full candy bar, so she got number one. We were
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: number five, which is pretty good for the development.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: First time in the AP Top 5, huh? Yes, it is.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I guess it depends on how big the block is,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: for sure.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Congrats, nonetheless. Before we go, I just need to read
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: a text really fast. I just got a text from,
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: and he won't mind, a friend of the show, Jabba Chamberlain.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: If I have to watch another Nebraska fourth quarter meltdown,
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: I can.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Eat my marbles.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: No, it's a good note, Bear.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: I do want to know, as we sign off here,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Nebraska fans, I am praying for you. I am praying
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: for you. My heart is with you. I don't know
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: what y'all did to suffer these endless barrage of slings
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: and arrows, but like.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: One day it's got to change just because it can't
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: get worse.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe it can given your track record, but
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: still I'm praying for you.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about you, Nebraska fans. We love you here
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: in the college football show with two guys in the pair.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: All right.