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IFH 836: The New Rules of Indie Filmmaking No One Is Teaching with the Jalbert Brothers · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 5: On this episode, I have two brothers who start their
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  Speaker 5: careers in video production fifteen years ago as kids making
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  Speaker 5: home videos in the family's backyard. One does a lot
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  Speaker 5: of the producing, one does a lot of the cinematography,
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  Speaker 5: and that's a good team to have. Their credits include
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  Speaker 5: producer and first assistant director for the feature film Apple
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  Speaker 5: of My Eye starring Burt Reynolds and Amy Smart. And
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  Speaker 5: they also teach a hell of a lot of awesome
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  Speaker 5: seminars about making your first film for a few thousand
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  Speaker 5: dollars one thousand dollars, two thousand dollars with guests Brian
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  Speaker 5: and Jake Cholbert, the Jolbert Brothers.
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  Speaker 6: Well, so I'm gonna take I'm gonna take it back
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  Speaker 6: a little bit. The first time we started going full
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  Speaker 6: time was when we started, actually Jake with an entertainment
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  Speaker 6: company called Iris Entertainment. That was kind of like the
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  Speaker 6: first inkling of it. And Jake's actually does video full time.
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  Speaker 6: I don't. I have a construction company, so therefore I'm
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  Speaker 6: doing that and I'm doing this at the same time.
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  Speaker 6: So Jake actually is the one actually more full time.
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  Speaker 6: He does video, full time, editing, all that good stuff.
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  Speaker 6: But I would say, back in what two thousand and
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  Speaker 6: eight or nine.
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  Speaker 7: Two thousand and nine, we started a company, yeah, called
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  Speaker 7: Iris Entertainment, where there was four of us. I did video,
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  Speaker 7: there's you know, some guys the DJ and photography. But
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  Speaker 7: really what I think the question you're really asking is,
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  Speaker 7: you know, when do we dive in and start realizing
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  Speaker 7: that we could actually maybe help some people. And because
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  Speaker 7: we've been through a couple projects, and different things, and
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  Speaker 7: from the fugal filmmaker and looking at people talking to
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  Speaker 7: different filmmakers, you hear different stories and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 7: you know, if you if you just knew this, I
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  Speaker 7: think you could this would help you. And that pretty
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  Speaker 7: much started. I would say, uh January. Yeah, so we've
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  Speaker 7: been doing it about a year.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. And the thing about us too, man, is it's
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  Speaker 6: not about really teaching per Se in the typical way
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  Speaker 6: of saying, hey, this is the way you should do something,
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  Speaker 6: But it's more of documenting our journey per Se, what
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  Speaker 6: we're doing, some of the things that helped us and marry,
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  Speaker 6: some of the mistakes that we've made, and and and
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  Speaker 6: try to do options. See. The problem I see is
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  Speaker 6: there's all these old ideals going on right within the
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  Speaker 6: film community and the film ways of doing things. Nobody's
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  Speaker 6: really I should say, nobody is doing it, but people
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  Speaker 6: need to start experimenting. It's it's it's there's new ways
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  Speaker 6: of doing things. There's ultimately gonna be new people that
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  Speaker 6: are gonna be coming out and maybe making it in
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  Speaker 6: those new ways. So figuring it out, whether it's making
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  Speaker 6: episodic and going and putting on Facebook Facebook not Facebook live,
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  Speaker 6: but they got Facebook watch now, and there's so many
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  Speaker 6: different avenues that we need to start, i think, really
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  Speaker 6: opening up to and figuring out how to make it
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  Speaker 6: work for the film community. If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense. Any And you know
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  Speaker 4: you mentioned Facebook too, because with all the ways of
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  Speaker 4: distribution and stuff now, you know, you have to take
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  Speaker 4: it account all social media aspects. And then they all
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  Speaker 4: got into video now and now I mean this is
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  Speaker 4: kind of sort of getting away from what we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about in a way. But I just saw that WWE
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  Speaker 4: is going to start doing live events on Facebook, and
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  Speaker 4: which is what I thought was gonna happen, where you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna start seeing like TV shows or and more sports
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  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. They're not going to count on
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  Speaker 4: you for Nielsen ratings and watching it through TV. They're
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  Speaker 4: going to count on you watching it on your phone
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  Speaker 4: through Facebook.
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  Speaker 7: Well, if you think about it, they're gonna miss the
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  Speaker 7: boat if they don't. You know, it's like it is
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  Speaker 7: the thing, you know what I'm saying. It is the thing.
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  Speaker 6: Like like I don't know if you listen to the
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  Speaker 6: Gary V but yeah, if you really listen to those guys.
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  Speaker 6: And the thing about film community is you can't get
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  Speaker 6: stuck in the film community ways what are other people
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  Speaker 6: doing and how can we make that work? You know,
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  Speaker 6: Gary V likes to say, you know, take advantage of
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  Speaker 6: the situation that's going on and really see where the
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  Speaker 6: attention is and like where ultimately, where is people? Where
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  Speaker 6: are people eyeballs? It's on Facebook, It's on it's on
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  Speaker 6: the social media. It's not in the theaters like it
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  Speaker 6: used to be. Now, don't get you wrong. Theaters will
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  Speaker 6: always be there, and theaters are great. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: I love to have my movie. You know, I've had
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  Speaker 6: a movie played in theater, but it was you know,
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  Speaker 6: we four walled it. But if if you you know,
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  Speaker 6: if you actually having a company get it there and
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  Speaker 6: having a wide release, that's that's phenomenal. But that's not
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  Speaker 6: the only way, you know, and that's not the only
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  Speaker 6: way to make it work. You know, it's figuring out
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  Speaker 6: how to make it work.
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  Speaker 4: I feel, yeah, exactly, you know, And you know, as
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  Speaker 4: you talk about doing this like full time, just to
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  Speaker 4: take a step back, you know that that's sort of
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  Speaker 4: the crux, isn't it. You know, that's sort of the
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  Speaker 4: big question that a lot of filmmakers have, whether they're
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  Speaker 4: you know, twenties or thirties or forties or what have you.
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  Speaker 4: It's you know, how do I make a How do
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  Speaker 4: I become a full time filmmaker? You know, how do
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  Speaker 4: I make my movie? Well at the same time working
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  Speaker 4: a day job, so I don't go crazy trying to
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  Speaker 4: do both, you know, And so you you've actually started
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  Speaker 4: to do that. So, like, what was some of the
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  Speaker 4: steps you took though to to sort of just say,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I don't want to work in an
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  Speaker 4: office or do whatever. I want to go around shoot video.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, did you start, you know, going around to
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  Speaker 4: small businesses and shooting commercials and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I just went out well honestly and was just
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  Speaker 7: we filmed it as little kids, and we went in
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  Speaker 7: the backyard, and you know, two thousand and nine, I
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  Speaker 7: just bought a camera and just started filming stuff. And
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  Speaker 7: the biggest thing I would say to become full time
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  Speaker 7: being a filmmaker is just start making stuff. So start
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  Speaker 7: learn how to run camera, learn how to run sound.
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  Speaker 7: A lot of people don't want to learn these things.
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  Speaker 7: They want to just direct. To get a directing job
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  Speaker 7: like that is I mean it's not you. It's just
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  Speaker 7: not You have to learn skills. If you can build
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  Speaker 7: skills within camera, okay, you can make money, people will
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  Speaker 7: pay you. So I mean, you just hit everybody up.
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  Speaker 7: You film stuff for free, film tons of stuff. You
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  Speaker 7: get better and better, you keep getting better. There's Craigsitus
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  Speaker 7: or Facebook. You just post your videos that you do
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  Speaker 7: on and people just start reaching out to you. Say, oh,
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  Speaker 7: you become I'm the video guy in your community. So
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  Speaker 7: now everybody knows me. You know what I'm saying. He
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  Speaker 7: does video, he shoots weddings, he shoots real estate videos,
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  Speaker 7: he shoots film, and you just become that guy and
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  Speaker 7: work just starts coming in. For me, it was like
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  Speaker 7: I was a server, you know, so my job was
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  Speaker 7: doing was serving and then building my business on the side,
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  Speaker 7: video business, and it took about five or six years.
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  Speaker 7: So for me, it took about six years to build
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  Speaker 7: that to be full time to where you know, me
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  Speaker 7: and Brian, we never liked sitting at a desk. We've
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  Speaker 7: never really done that. So we work for ourselves. So
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  Speaker 7: I mean, especially Brian, he won't work for nobody, you know,
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  Speaker 7: he bots this, works for himself and he does a
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  Speaker 7: great job, and he's always managed, and you know, he
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  Speaker 7: kind of took the role as the producer because he's
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  Speaker 7: always managed and he's always kind of put things together,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, knew how to deal with the tough
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  Speaker 7: situations that maybe I didn't know how to do, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, And that's I think that's the key. Okay, So
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  Speaker 6: going full time for a filmmaker is what do you
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  Speaker 6: actually doing? Like, are you do you want to be
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  Speaker 6: a director? Like jasonid learned to run camera? You know,
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  Speaker 6: I know a guy that's in our area who does
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  Speaker 6: film full time and he started out in sound, right,
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  Speaker 6: he bought some sound gear, started doing stuff for free
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  Speaker 6: to get his reel up. Now he's known as the
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  Speaker 6: sound guy and then just recently direct a movie.
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  Speaker 4: So there's ways in.
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  Speaker 6: You just have to have that option in your brain
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  Speaker 6: looking for those other ways in, Like when I went
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  Speaker 6: and I ended up being a first a d and
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  Speaker 6: a co producer for the Apple of my emvie. Right,
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  Speaker 6: that wasn't by accident. And most people would say, oh,
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  Speaker 6: you gotta start as a PA and you gotta work
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  Speaker 6: your way up. Well, you know, I like jasaid, I
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  Speaker 6: don't like working for people, So I did that for
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  Speaker 6: certain reasons, because I've wanted to work with Burt Browns,
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to work with Amy Smart, you know, I
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  Speaker 6: wanted that credit there. But I was able to jump
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  Speaker 6: a bunch of steps by building a network of people.
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  Speaker 6: And not settling for a lower position per se. You know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I was a co producer first ad Normally I like
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  Speaker 6: to run lead, but for that case scenario, I made
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  Speaker 6: exceptions and went and did it. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that's ultimately what it's like, Jason building
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  Speaker 7: skills and to touch on that ROPEQUI just super quick.
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  Speaker 7: I know we're moving on. But and the worst worst,
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  Speaker 7: you know, worst comes the worst. You've built these skills
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  Speaker 7: that you have forever. And that's where now I can
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  Speaker 7: do video and I can make money and I can
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  Speaker 7: work my way into the industry where I want to be.
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  Speaker 6: Build it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean period, building, building skills, sales skills, marketing skills.
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  Speaker 7: We're doing it all because that's what it takes. Now, man,
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  Speaker 7: that's what it takes, I believe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like what Rob Rodriguez says, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you have the talent plus the know how, you're unstoppable,
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  Speaker 4: which means uh and by that he means knowing the
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  Speaker 4: technology how to use it, and then also being you know,
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  Speaker 4: being able to be creative. You know, you're unstoppable then
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  Speaker 4: because you don't have to, you know, depend on a
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  Speaker 4: lot of different people, because you have again you've built
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  Speaker 4: all these skills up and and just to take a
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  Speaker 4: step back to what you were just saying, uh uh, Brian,
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  Speaker 4: I completely get where you're coming from. Man, you don't
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  Speaker 4: want to work for anybody else. I trust me. Man.
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  Speaker 4: I get that so much because I used to get
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  Speaker 4: offers all the time to produce other people's movies and
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  Speaker 4: I would just say no. And when the people would
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  Speaker 4: ask why, I would say, because I want to make
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  Speaker 4: my stuff. I don't want to make your stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Isn't that? Isn't that?
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  Speaker 7: It is funny because you know we've if we got
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  Speaker 7: offered to maybe direct a big movie, we probably turned
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  Speaker 7: it down because it's just like I want to We
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  Speaker 7: just want to do what we want to do and
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  Speaker 7: for us, for us, it's doing our own projects, building
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  Speaker 7: our own empire per se.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know you want to you want to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, people to make your stuff because we're only
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  Speaker 4: on this earth for what what, maybe eighty years, ninety years,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. At the rate I'm going, I probably
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  Speaker 4: have about three more years. So anyways, come on, you
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  Speaker 4: got more net? Yeah, man, i'd say you some days
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  Speaker 4: I really wonder anymore. But anyways, it all it's all
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  Speaker 4: jokes everybody. I'm not really like, you know, dying or anything.
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  Speaker 4: But but you know, you know, just as we talk about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, making all these movies and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 4: you guys have a piece of advice that you gave.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, you guys doing Facebook video like
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  Speaker 4: promotions and Facebook videos live chats. That's all genius marketing,
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  Speaker 4: by the way. So that's huge. And I don't see
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  Speaker 4: any of the filmmaker and I'm friends with a ton
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  Speaker 4: of filmmakers, believe me, I don't see any of them
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  Speaker 4: doing that stuff. I think you guys are really like
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  Speaker 4: ahead of the curve and doing that, doing that type
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  Speaker 4: of of sort of you're talking to your crowd, right,
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  Speaker 4: you know, directly, you're talking to the people that like
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  Speaker 4: your Facebook page. You're talking to people inside the Frugal
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  Speaker 4: Filmmaker page and you're talking to them directly, and it
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  Speaker 4: becomes it's basically what I think that is, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: is what Google Hangout was trying to be, but they
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  Speaker 4: just couldn't get it right, and Facebook just copied it
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  Speaker 4: and just said, hey, you know what, we can do
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  Speaker 4: it better anyway.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just seeing around corners. It's seeing around corners
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  Speaker 7: before anybody else. And that's how most people excel. Further,
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  Speaker 7: that's how Robert Ariguez did you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so one of those video chats you guys
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  Speaker 4: mentioned making a movie for a thousand bucks, which I,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, think is terrific advice because I have
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  Speaker 4: seen too many people and I'm sure you have too,
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  Speaker 4: where they want to make a movie and maybe whether
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  Speaker 4: they're first time filmmaker or maybe they made a few shorts,
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  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, they're trying to either raise
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  Speaker 4: like ten thousand and fifty thousand, one hundred thousand or
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  Speaker 4: more to make a film, and they don't have the
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  Speaker 4: experience to really utilize that budget, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: and they so they end up spending money on the
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  Speaker 4: wrong things, or they just completely end up just you know,
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  Speaker 4: just destroying the whole budget because they dis did it
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  Speaker 4: how to handle it?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. Man, Just to put
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  Speaker 6: it in perspective too, we went to the AFM, right,
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  Speaker 6: so we're there and we got a buddy there, and
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  Speaker 6: then we met this other gentleman. So there's two different
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  Speaker 6: budgets I should say here. One was under ten thousand.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not going to say the number because it's it's
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  Speaker 6: around where we're at what we're talking about, but I
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  Speaker 6: don't want to completely throw it out there. So under
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  Speaker 6: ten thousand, and then this other gentleman made his for
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  Speaker 6: around five hundred thousand, okay, And the two different comparisons
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  Speaker 6: is crazy. The other guy that made it for five
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  Speaker 6: had no experience, didn't get the right talent on board
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  Speaker 6: to make it happen, okay, because it was his first time,
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  Speaker 6: and he actually blew money that was kind of an inheritance.
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  Speaker 6: So it just the problem is he could have took that,
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  Speaker 6: made even a twenty thousand dollars movie and did so
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  Speaker 6: much better with it, versus the guy that made it
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  Speaker 6: under ten is got the sales agent, got it released,
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  Speaker 6: and is gonna is gonna get a release in theaters.
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  Speaker 6: So it's having it's realizing that take your first one,
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  Speaker 6: give yourself a budget of a thousand and three thousand,
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  Speaker 6: because we could all work for a year and save that. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: have a script that's simplistic. It may not be your
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  Speaker 6: ultimate script, but have it creative. Everybody talks about being creative,
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  Speaker 6: but nobody's really creative. They throw money at it. Don't
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  Speaker 6: throw money at your problemate, be creative with it. So
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  Speaker 6: if you do make a mistake and you screw up
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  Speaker 6: on your first one, you will screw up. You will
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  Speaker 6: you make that mistake and you screw up. At least
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  Speaker 6: it's not somebody's one hundred thousands that they gave you,
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  Speaker 6: or you raised through your family and you went to
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  Speaker 6: all your uncles and your your parents and everybody, and
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  Speaker 6: then you raise fifty grand and then you don't get
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  Speaker 6: the right or you get a name on the box
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  Speaker 6: that's maybe diluted because you didn't know his name was diluted,
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  Speaker 6: and you can't sell it because they already got their
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  Speaker 6: movie for the year that has that actor in it,
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  Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. So it's it's having an
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  Speaker 6: understanding of the market, what's going on, what's your budget,
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  Speaker 6: keep it simplistic, be creative, and you might end up
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: with a freakin. You might end up with a winner,
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: or you might end up with a dud, but at
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: least you did it or experience, or it might take
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: you twenty years.
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: You just don't know. But the biggest hold up I
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: think filmmakers have is they think they need, especially new
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: ones that don't know much about it. They think they
• 16:22
  Speaker 7: need millions or fifty thousand, Like you don't. You just
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: need experience. So go one location, one actor, write a script,
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: and just go make a movie for a thousand bucks.
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: And we get a lot of flak for that. People
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: don't like that. Half the people like it, half people
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: don't like it. But it is what it is, and
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: it's it's getting those kids that wouldn't know what to
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: do to give them some hope that, oh I can
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: go make actually make a film and maybe meet a
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: connection that leads me to this door to that door.
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: So it's opening doors. Don't sit around and wait for
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: the fifty thousand, Just go make it for a thousand,
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: and then eventually that fifty thousand will come knocking.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: The money. You'll get the money when it's ready.
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: You.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Know, it's also when when people look like I'm sure
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: every filmmaker in one way or another wants to emulate,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: you know, the people that they look up to as
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: their heroes. The problem is sometimes if let's just use
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Chrisopher Nolan as an example, you know, if we wanted
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: to emulate him, you know, we couldn't do an inception
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: because what was that like one hundred million, one hundred
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: fifty million. But if if we looked at Following, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys have ever seen Following,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: it's actually a really cool movie that Christopher Nolan shot
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: and it didn't cost him a lot of money at all,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: and it really just and then that's what sent him
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: up to make Memento, which was what he was trying
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: to make to begin with, but he couldn't make it
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: because he couldn't get the budget, so he made Following instead.
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: Makes sense he'd put his ultimate script on the back
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: burner to get one done and show what he can do.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: I think that's the key, show what you can do,
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: Like if you can't, you know, people think if you
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: get money, you're gonna make a great film if you
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: and don't get me wrong, there's people that if you
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: hire the right people in every spot and you're the
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: director and you actually don't have the ego and you're
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: able to listen to what everybody's saying and adjust to
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: the situation. You got the money, yeah, go ahead, you
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: know what I mean. You'll have people backing you up
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: and you'll learn a lot doing it. But for us
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: that don't have that, we don't have the connections, we
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: don't have the big bucks, and we weren't able to
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: raise the money. What do you do do you sit around? No,
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: you got to get off your ass. You got to
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: go make something. I mean, And that's just what we did.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: And that's why we talk like that because we're like, dude,
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: we made our first movie on three grand, you know
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: what I mean?
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah? And you know, I think you also said it too, Brie,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: or maybe it was you Jake on one of those
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Facebook chats. You know, you have to you have to
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: show what you can do for nothing, because anybody can
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: spend money. And that's so true. I mean, that kind
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: of hit me because I'm saying, sit there going, you
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: know what, that's that's the truth. You have to be
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: able to show that you can only take you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: maybe your cell phone or a lower grade camera that
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: maybe isn't four K or whatever, right, but you can
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: make something, but you have to be able to show
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: you did the hustle or whatever, because you want people
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: to look at that movie and say, hey, Jake and Brian,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: how the hell did you guys shoot this movie? And
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: then you tell them, oh, we did it for you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: fifty bucks or a hundred bucks or whatever, one thousand
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: bucks and they go, how the hell did you do
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: that for that little amount of money?
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, how how could you not do it for
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: that kind of money? Like what like phones are almost
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: like the four K thing, Like if you have the budget, cool, Well,
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: if you're trying to shoot something super high quality but
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: you don't know what you're doing, it just turns it
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: just looks really bad. Like you have a better chance
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: of using a phone and making it as it's a
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: phone and shooting something that's really super creative, that's more
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: interesting to me and something that you could possibly maybe
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: released on Facebook and build a name for yourself. You
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: know that that would work so much better, I feel
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: than trying to polish something when you when it's like
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: it's just it won't look right, trying to polish something
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: with something that's not polishable.
• 19:58
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• 20:05
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• 20:07
  Speaker 7: If that makes any sense.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that makes perfect sense because and you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: just as a as a as a food for thought
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: type of experiment, is somebody listening to this, what advice
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: would you give them if they said they wanted to
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: make a movie this weekend, just as like a short film,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: or not even this weekend, but like you know what
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, like actually planning something. You know, would you say,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: utilize like the living room that you have right now,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: your house you live in right now, or or or
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: and then just you know, film on your phone something
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: like that, just to just to sort of get your
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: uh sort of you know, get your feet under you
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: as a filmmaker and then just sort of go from
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: and then just see what you made and then sort
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: of go from there.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: All right, So let's put in perspective like me and
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: Brian are going to make a film. What do we
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: have access to right now?
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: We're in my apartment.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: Okay, we know we have our apartment. We know we
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: have each other, We can work with each other. What
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: cameras do we have Do we know anybody with cameras?
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Do we know somebody that can a camera? If we don't,
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: you know what, let's just have fun and maybe use
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: our phone and actually create something on our phone. We
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: have Brian's daughter here, maybe she can act in it,
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: you know. So just you have to just utilize what
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: you have. Don't try to like write what you want
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: because right now it's not about what you want, about
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: what you have if you don't have a lot. So
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: that's what I would say, what do you think? Right? Yeah?
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: And keep it simplistic, like you know, like like Jake said,
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: you know, you get one location. Like our first movie
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: we did in two locations and the intro scene was
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: maybe like five minutes, and then the rest of it
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: was in one location. It was in a house, and
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: it was a slasher. You know, it is what it is.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: It's it's not perfect, but it's ours and we made
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: it and we we released it ourselves, and you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: we got a little bit of a name talent on it,
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: and we had fun with it and we learned a lot.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: So I suggest that, yeah, correct, look what's what you got?
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: What do you have access to be creative and have
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: some fun with it, you know, I would.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: Focus on more what you have around and then what
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: you cause most people focus on like I don't know
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: the camera all right, I just don't have this, or
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: I don't have that. Like you have a phone because
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: you're obviously watching our lives or you're watching stuff on
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: a phone, So a phone's good enough. I mean, just
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: maybe spend the money on a good good sound, yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: because I think that's key. Yeah, good sound, and then
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: maybe the phone quality would look It would be interesting
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: if you can come up with something clever. I can't
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: tell people what to come up with, but coming up
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: with something cool. Could You could do some damage with
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: something like that, I think, because that's where it is now.
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: It's all phone and people are going live, so you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: we might do something like that. You know, eventually, someone
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: better do it soon because it's the new. It is
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: what it is, what it is right now. So to
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: capitalize on doing someone maybe snapchatting all day would be cool.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: I would more or less watch that than trying to
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: watch a drama or something like that would be that
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: is the thing. It already has a it has a marketing,
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: it has a marketability, marketable. You can say this is
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: my snapchat movie. I'd be like, oh, let me check.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: That seems that's different. So I would think outside the box.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: If you really want to make something that's going to
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: leave an impression. If you just want to make something,
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: just go make it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: But yeah, did you guys see the that movie? It
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: was like a well, it was a short film where
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: it took place all within a person texting her friends.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: It was just basically the actual they screencapped her phone
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: and the whole entire movie was was literally you just
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: saw her her the screen of her phone as she
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: was texting people back and forth.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: I did not see that. I'd love to see that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: Actually, that's great.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: That's an awesome idea.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's what it That's what it is, you know,
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: that's what it is.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: We uh, we wanted to make something and we came
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: up with what we have. We don't have a I
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: have a C one hundred, and we want to do
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: the show, a TV show you know, called Haunted Tours
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: that we're putting out actually next year, next month. And
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: we kept it very simple, you know, very simple.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: It's very dark, very real. It's just us.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: It didn't take a bunch of mine.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we go in there and we investigate locations. Now
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: we're not the investigators. We got other people on board
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: for that, and we were able to shoot five episodes,
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So it's it's just creating.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's the biggest thing. Once you create, you'll
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: get better and you'll learn from it, and you'll make
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: mistakes and then you can create again and you keep
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: creating and before you know it, I mean, you're you're
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: doing it and you get paid.
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: If we if we didn't go live on Monday, you
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: would have never seen us, and you would have never
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: you know, we might have not been on your podcast,
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: you know. And for us, this could lead us somewhere,
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: This could lead us somewhere good, or you just don't know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: you know, you just got to just got to do it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: I would say, just do it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you never know where what door you open, where
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: it's going to lead into. Uh you know. And I
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: found that out too, because even starting this podcast, for instance,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: has led to so many doors being opened that I
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: wouldn't even have thought about. You know when I started
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: this what three years ago or whatever the hell it's been.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: But I mean, it's just been a lot of interesting
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: stuff happening. And again, you know, I mean, even when
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I've done like my stuff around the area in this
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Philly area, just doing things, you sort of become I
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: don't want to use that word an attraction, but but
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it's kind of like that
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: book The Secret where you kind of like attract things,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, where it's like people see
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: actually doing stuff and all of a sudden they go, oh,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I want to talk to that person, because it's they're
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: not just talking about it, they're actually doing it. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: I remember, I forget who it was who gave me
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: this advice when I when I started years ago, but
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: he said that there, if you actually make something, you're
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: not normal. Normal is sitting on your couch talking about
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: making something.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: That's true.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just doing Bro's Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: And so again I love that advice by the way,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: you know, just finding out what you have. Instead of
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: thinking about the negative, which is what you don't have,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: you're thinking about the positive, which is what you do
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: have and you do have access to. And sometimes when
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: people start brainstorming things like that, they start getting bigger ideas,
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, They start thinking, oh, you
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: know what I forgot I had access to this, or hey,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: you know what, we can go down to the park
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: and shoot this scene because it's a public park and
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: you know, we can go off to the side there
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and you know, stuff like that where you know you start,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: you know, you start actually working. Is stuff starts flowing
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: a little better.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you get so much. The thing is,
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: like we said earlier, building your skills because you get
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: so much knowledge of how it is. And then and
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: then one thing to do too is you know, go
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: on a couple sets that are local that you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: got some name talent on and learn watch how they operate,
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: you know, and then you can help operate your set
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: like that, you know. So I mean that's that's ultimately too,
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: just just watching, learning.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: Getting in the it's getting in the mix. You know
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: when we do those lives, we get in the mix.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: It's like we're we're we're online networking with other filmmakers,
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: sharing our advice, hoping to get other advice back, because
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: we're always learning. The key is always learned. We we
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: like the mix filmmaking with business because it is ultimately
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: a business. And if you don't understand that that part
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: of it. You have to either get somebody who understands
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: it or I think you'll be doomed unless you're super
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: creative that someone just grabs you up. I think nowadays
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: you need to know the whole aspect of it. You
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: need to know business, sales, marketing, it's all relevant now.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: You need to know it because the biggest thing too,
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: if you look at it, like when rober Rodriguez made
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: it and Quentin Tarantino, it was a different error, Like
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: it was a different time, you know what I mean.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: So now it's a different time. So who's going to
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: be those guys that break out through a new technology
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: or a new way and they're they're reinventing, not reinventing
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: the wheel. But because if you look at it, everything
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: that we're doing, like right now, this is like radio.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: You know, when we're on Facebook Live, that's like TV.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: But it's just a different way of bringing it to
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: an audience, you know what I'm saying. So I think
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: that's the biggest thing is is finding out how to
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: do it and take capitalize on it and see what happens.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: That's all we try to do.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that's a good point. By the way,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: because I mentioned that too before in past episode. You know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: you had the nineties and you have Tarantino and Smith
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: and Rodriguez. They all came up and they sort of
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: became the new celebrity director of replacing the ones in
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: the eighties like your Carpenter and you know, and you know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: you have all those directors, and you have the seventies
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: directors like Spielberg but and Scorsese. But what happens is
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: with today you don't really see that celebrity director anymore.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: You don't really see that, and you kind of look
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: at to see who what what people are really making
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: films u uh, from our young from the next general,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the general, the next generation you see like Okay, Damian Chase,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: James wand you know you have guys like that, but
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: you're like, but but they don't really they're not really
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: that celebrity director type where people would notice them unless
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: they're in the business like us, who would notice you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: who would say oh, that's that's that's them, you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: you know, you know what I mean. And that's why
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I kind of think that if you look towards like
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: what YouTube is doing, if you look at the top YouTubers,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I mean you've got like, uh, Peudie Pie, You've got
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: you know, like like what's that other guy's named, Logan Paul.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: You get all those guys and they're just doing like
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: like skid stuff. And I'm always wondering if you had
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: somebody like that who actually made short films or something
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: like that, who was actually a celebrity of that level
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: on a particular social media channel, they could capitalize on
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: it and have almost one hundred percent of the marketplace.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree so much too, Like nowadays, they don't
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: want to be celebrities or stars, they want to be
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: Uccis Dean. It's like you said, you know who I'm
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: surprised who's never I don't think I've ever seen him
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: do a feature is Ryan comp from Film Riot Film Riot.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: I think he has like what the thiggest instance are
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: a good audience of people to actually make something really
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: cool like a feature and actually get some bud behind it.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I know Ryanku from No Film School, he's been
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: making his for a while. But yeah, I know a
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: lot of these these websites and stuff. He kind of
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: wonder why they don't have somebody try to capitalize on that.
• 29:57
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• 30:03
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• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, man, I don't know, but I
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: agree with you one hundred percent.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: Man.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: I think I think somebody, you know, somebody's got to
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: be that breakout and uh, you know, the new way
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: of doing it. I think it's experimenting.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think most of the filmmakers get caught up
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: in the old ways, like we were just talking about.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: So if you hone in you capitalize on what is now,
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: which is social media, I think you will win.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And and also too, with social media, that's how
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: you pre uh you know, pre sell your crowdfunding campaign.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: That's how you get you know, you meet other filmmakers,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: your network. Because I always tell people and and and
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I didn't even ask if you guys went to film school,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: But I mean that's what I tell people because I've
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: actually worked at a college and and and I've actually
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: you know, I've graduated from college too. And it's just
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: like you know nowadays, I would just I would if
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: I was graduating from high school. I wouldn't even bother
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: with it. I would learn on you to me and
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: network wherever I I need to go to meetup dot com.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Look at meet up some my area. I'd go on
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: to Twitter or LinkedIn, you know, I go to YouTube.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know what I mean, it's so many avenues,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, why would you spend two hundred thousand
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: dollars to go to college? I mean, you know what
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, It just it just doesn't seem to make
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: any sense to me.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: No, not, I mean, to be honest with you, we're
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: both high school dropouts. Man, I dropped out at fifteen.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: I'm just I just never liked I guess you could
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: say I'm just kind of a revel dude. I just
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: never liked system. I've always kind of liked to go
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: my own way. And I think that's what filmmakers are
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: missing nowadays, too, is go your own way. Like don't
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: I know everybody wants to go to the theater and
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: you want to get a distribution deal with Sony and
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: all this shit. Well, what's the how can we capitalize
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: on what's going on? Like they'll come, you know, they'll
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: come knocking at you when you've got something hot, So
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: if you can make it hot yourself, like that's that's ultimately,
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: that's all it is, you know, like people you want
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: to if you get a name talent in your like
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Tom Cruise, you're just helping out with less marketing in
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: the back end, you know what I mean. So do
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: a movie. If you're gonna get a budget, you do
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: a movie. Say you do one on twenty grand, shoot
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: it on ten, and then use the other ten for marketing,
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: and use it and get it in a genre that
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: sells without name talent, you.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: So I think it's being creative and trying different things,
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And you know what the whole idea of
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: college to just to go back to that real quick,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: you know, is it's about education. Like we said about
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: learning skills. You even mentioned you could go onto other
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: crews and stuff like that, other other sets in the
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: area and learn that you know the same skills rather
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: than you know, paying money. I mean. I had a
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: friend of mine he actually went to NYU I think
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: it was or ny Film School, and he actually ended
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: up the senior thesis project. And this is where he
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: dropped out and said, you know, what the hell is
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: the point of this? He actually said, they the top
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: like five projects were chosen and then you had to
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: work on that person's project. And he said, so I'm
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: gonna be paying, like, you know, a couple thousand dollars
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: to sit here and hold a boom pole for somebody else. Like,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: what the hell is this?
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: That's crazy. You're better off taking you know, like we said,
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: make take a thousand to three thousand f fuck film
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: school and go make a feature. That's your film. School.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: School was a business. They want your money.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: The university is just a business in general. I feel,
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: to be honest with you, I feel like all school
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: in general, unless it's to be like a doctor or
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: a lawyer and things like that, it's all there in
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: place as a business, you know, and I understand it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: You know. Some people learn that way, but me personally,
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: I don't learn like that. Like I like to get
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: my hands dirty. I like to get in there, you know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: Jake's the same way. We learn by doing, not so
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: much like reading a book.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: You know, maybe that's because we're dropouts and we're not
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: very smart. You know, we learn a different way, you
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, we learned that we learn a lot more
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: now than we we ever have. You know, we went
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: to the Tenets growth con early. This year we went
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: to we went to the AFM. So we're always getting
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: knowledge and trying to find different mentors and things like that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: And that's key is finding people who have already done
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: it and walk those that path.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: And then at the same time too, maybe we don't
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: have to follow their path, because I think in filmmaking,
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: it's one of those things where if you talk to
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: everybody that's made it, there's usually like a they just
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: it was a different path for the most part, like
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: you know, they knew a friend of a friend and
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: then they did something and they directed it and then
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: it got picked up, or you know, they had a
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: script and then like like in Quintin's case, he had
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: a friend that knew Harvey Kaitel and they liked the
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: script and he was a writer at first. And so
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think everybody's story is gonna be different,
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: but it's finding your story, like how are you gonna
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: make it? And the only way, you know, the only
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: way you know that story is by just going on
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: that journey and figuring it out as you go. I feel,
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: you know, look at what other people have done, take
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: it in for yourself, adjust with it, and see how
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: it can work. For you because nobody can tell you
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: how to do something because you're gonna have your own
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: ways of thinking. I feel, you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, absolutely, And you mentioned growth Con by the way,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: so I wanted to ask about your your impressions of
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: growth of the text Growth Con. Actually, and a side note,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: I'm actually talking to Grant Cardon to have them call
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: on this podcast, so it's kind of interesting we tie
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: this in. But so you guys went through the text
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: conference earlier this year, So what were some of your
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: impressions you took away from it?
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: I man, I loved it. I mean the biggest thing
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: I learned was these guys that make it successfully. They
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: just do it, and they believed in themselves enough and
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: they took some risk and calculated risk and they just
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: went for it. And sometimes you failed, but it was
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: us so much of a failure as it is of
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: a learning curve or or that hey that didn't work,
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: but that worked in it. So let me try that
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: with this, you know. So, I mean that's one of
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: the biggest things we learned that I learned. And one
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: good thing is too, is networking. Man. I mean, we
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: met a really good connection. One of the speakers there
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: that's that was the only guy that was the TV
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: guy we met there because we just went and took
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: a picture with him, talked to him. And now we've
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: got a direct access to television. So it's just it's
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: just doing being being present, you know, And we put
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: a lot on the line.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: We spent a lot of money, so I would say,
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: you know, we just went and invested in ourselves. Same
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: with AFM. We spent a lot of money, you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: the only way, the only way.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: And and and also a FM. What was your impression
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: of that because I know you mentioned Jason Brubaker. He's
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: a mutual friend of both of ours. Uh, you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: he's actually been on the podcast before as well, but uh,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: I know he usually goes to a FM. So what
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: were some of your impressions from this year's AFM.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: You know, I like the AFM. It's the old way
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: of doing things to where you you know, you're meeting
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: with buyers and you're meeting with filmmakers and things like that,
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: and I think it's great for networking. You know, I
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: met like fifty connections while I was there. I met
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: a lot of buyers. We didn't do any deal. We'd
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: ended up not not doing a deal with with some
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: of our stuff. But the point of it was was
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: was getting our feet wet within where we ultimately want
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: to be, and that's as a distributor and studio to
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: you know, be able to produce, be able to distribute
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: and be able to get something out there to buyers
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: or whether it's self distribution in whatever way. But I
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: love the AFM. Man learn a lot.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: And I would say, I say, if you're not willing
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: to take risks, big risks, then it's gonna be super
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: hard for you. Like we took a big We took
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: a big risk. We went as actually we didn't go attendees.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: We went as exhibitors. So we had like a booth
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: and we had about like six or eight movies that
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: we took with us and just yeah, I just did it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: So look what were some of the did Did you
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: get a lot of feedback on those movies?
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah? We we We realize what is good, what people want.
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: I mean, you so you spend years on this movie,
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: you love this movie.
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: You you just this is your baby, right and you you're.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: Like, hey, all right, I'm gonna show you this trailer
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: and you don't tell them me they don't know you
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: made it. You're just like, all right, here it goes.
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: They're like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: no like that. So it's like, it's not about how
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: good you think your movie is.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: It's like, is there a market for it? Is there
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: people gonna buy it? Are they gonna pick it up?
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: You know? It's it's freaking it's it's very eye opening
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: in the way of you are not gonna know exactly
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: what that's. That's why a distributor doesn't know what's gonna work.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: That's why they pick up so many movies because.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: You don't realize giving mgs unless there's yeah, they don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: Bart Reynolds on it or somebody big.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: They don't know what's gonna hit. And that's why you
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: know when when a buyer walks in, and that's the
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: biggest thing too, it's having relationships with the buyers already built,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So if you don't have
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: these relationships with the buyers, you're walking in kind of
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: cold because now they're just looking at your product and
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: they really don't give a shit about to you. It's
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: more about the product anyways. If you have that warmth
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: within they already know you you can do some deals,
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So it was ours more
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: of us just jumping in head first and seeing what
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: we find. And uh, you know, there's no right way
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: I feel like to do things. You just got to
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: do what works for you. And that's what we did
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: and learned a lot. Jason. Jason was really cool. Got
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: to meet him. Tom Malloy who was kind of a
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: I feel like a mentor to me because I read
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: his book.
• 39:56
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• 40:03
  Speaker 3: And now back to the show.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: Years ago bankrolled, which was really good, and Duh and
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Dub I got to meet Dove Simmons. So that was
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: the three mentors that before we you know, before we
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: were doing it full time to where we actually got
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: to meet these guys. And you respected me because you're
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: going in as a distributor. You're going in as an exhibit.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Oh you put you know you spent money?
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah you you You walk in and just try
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: to get a free pass. It's like, get out of here, dude,
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: Like you didn't put you didn't put no money, I
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: mean more time up, Like get out of here. You
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: spent big money to be there like okay, people take
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: you more serious. And that's the key, Like go all
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: in and show people like I'm serious, even if it's
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: putting up money, even if it's putting in like tons
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: of free time. You know. That's what I did when
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: I first started doing video, I did a lot of
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: cheap stuff, a lot of free stuff. I'll still do
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: free stuff. And that's what it's about. It's about getting
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: and doing and being out there.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: What's that's a big thing too, is what's the win win,
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: Like finding the win win within a situation, like how
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: can this person get what they want and we get
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: what we want and we all work together.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the win wins in life, right, the win wins
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: in life.
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: Everybody's trying to take a lot of times too, So
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: it's like, no, let's just let's how can we both win?
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I'm sorry, just Dedni's cut you off, Jake, No, No.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: You're good.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Not your phone to see if you had anything else
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: to add to that.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: No, No, I know what you mean. Because sometimes when
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: especially when even when I do this like podcast, sometimes
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I talk to people and they want a pitch to
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: come on the podcast, and it's almost like, well, what
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: can I do for them? And I'm like, well, I mean,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: come on here, they don't even know my name then
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: my name's in the freaking title of the podcast, Like
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: how the hell do you not know my name is Dave?
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And it's like they'll write
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: they won't even say like hey or hello, or even
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: though they'll just say like yo, I'm the blah blah
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: blah blah. And I'm like, you didn't even say like hey,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: I enjoy the show or hey, Dave, this is why
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: I want to come on. It's just like just let
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: me bombard you with how cool I am day and
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: so that I will be like, oh, please, come on,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: please Jesus, come on. I mean, it's just you know
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: what I mean. It's just like you have to be
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: a lot more, you know what I mean. Like you
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: just said the win win, because I mean, this is
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: a win win this podcast because you get something, I
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: get something. We both win and the listeners win too.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: So you know it's not this whole one sided thing
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: where it's like what's in it for me? And you
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: know it doesn't matter if you get something, you know
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: what I mean?
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I totally agree, dude, you gotta you gotta,
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: you gotta both work together. It's just working together, man.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: It's it's just ultimately what it's always been about and
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: will be about. I feel.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, especially because I mean, you know, this is networking.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: You know, people hear you on the podcast, they reach out.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: It happens all the time. And I always encourage people
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: when when when when listeners want to talk to a
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: specific guests, tweet them and tell them something about the episode,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: send them an email. Some people give out their emails,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: send them a LinkedIn, you a message or whatever the
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: hell Facebook, whatever, you know, social media channels they're on,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: and just say, hey, you know, I enjoyed the podcast,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: and here's why. Here's what I got from it, not
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: just like you know, hey, hey listen, can you give
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: me this or that I had on Cassie and Elvis
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: or it was I always Butcher his name, but who
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: is one of the top producers in the world. He's
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: done Dallas Buyer's Club. He just did Mudbound, which is
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: a you know, up for a ton of awards and
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: it's on Netflix. And when I had him on, people
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: were asking like, hey, could you could you like introduce
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: us to kasion. I'm like, I don't even know who
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: the hell you are, so how would I how would
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: I possibly do this?
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: You know, it's funny because we get that all the
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: time where people are just like, hey, can you do this?
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: Could you can do that? It's like, hold on a second.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: First of all, the first thing you got to learn
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: when you're pitching somebody is you got to get to
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: know him for a little second. You got to have
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: an understanding of who they are. There's no reason for
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: somebody else to give up their time unless you find
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: out what the person's looking for.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: You know, you know, And this is why we share
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: a lot of things UH about about business and sales,
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: because that is sales. A good book recommendation for that
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: is how to influenced friends and influence people. It's about,
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: you know, focused on what you know, who the person is,
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: and don't try to take so much that it is.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: It's like this too, Like you know, you're you're hanging out,
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: you meet this girl and the first thing that comes
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: out of your mouth is like, hey, will you go
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: home and sleep with me? You know what I'm saying,
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: Like it just that's not how it works, you know
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying you've got to you got to build
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a relationship every every big.
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: Connection that we've made, and that that worked out good
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: where we took years building slowly, you know, and it's
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: always what can I do for you? How can I
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: help you? And from there it led to you know,
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: different things, and we're still building relationships and you need
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: to ask that you ask them what you can do
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: for them.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: That's what I Yeah, it's like I always say, when
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: you're gonna make a connection, off for value, kill with kindness,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: and always be professional. And that first one is all
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: for value, which is what can you do for them?
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: And whether it's promotional on social media like just retweeting
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: something you know what I mean, or even something similar
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: like buying, you know, saying hey, look the movie's coming out. Uh,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe I'll pick up a copy of it,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: or you know, maybe I'll buy a shirt or again,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: a retweet costs nothing, right, So it's stuff like that,
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: you know, you're actually building a rapport with that person.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: And when you're doing you know, face to face meetings
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: at like a networking event, that's the first thing you
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: want to do is you want to say you talk
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: about their stuff if you're integer, you know what I mean,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: especially if you're gonna ask that person for something. And
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: when I see people just go up and it's like, hey,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: you know you're Hey, it's it's the Jailber Brothers. Hey guys, listen,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be making a movie soon. And uh, you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: why don't you guys come on board and this and that?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: And you're like, well, wait a minute, we don't know
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: who to hell you are, you know what I mean?
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Or asking you for locations or whatever.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: And then they go and then you go, well, what
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: are you fully funded? And they're like, well, no, that's
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: why we came to you. It's like, dude, yeah, but
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: first of all, give us a win win. If you
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: want us to produce your movie, you know, show the cash,
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: say hey, I've got fifty grand I want to work
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: with you guys on a movie, which you produce it,
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: then you might have some some some wiggle room or
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: some something to work with it. We can go, well,
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: what are you trying to do? And maybe we can
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: help you out because you know it's fifty thousand. You know,
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: it depends on your script, you know what I'm saying.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and that's also happened to me too, by
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: the way, is the whole Hey, we want to get
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: this funded, and I go, okay, you know, well that
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: there has to be something in it for me now,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: because if I'm going to go and pitch your movie
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: and look for funds and all this other stuff, you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: what's the deal here? And you know, and the cherry
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: on top of this is the fact that I'll tell
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: you a little story is one time I actually had
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: a person come on who actually know years ago, and
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: he wanted to I'm on the podcast talk about his
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: latest project and then wanted me to come on board
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: as a producer and and and give him my email
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: list and do all this other stuff. And when I
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: when I said, well, well, what what is my what's
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: the contract for this? And he actually said to me,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: you want to you want to get paid for that?
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: I'm like, uh, yeah, I would have something involved in this.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: I don't want to. This isn't a charity case.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I agree. What said with you? Man?
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Uh, it's as we talked about sort of this crazy
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: stories and stuff. What were some of the crazy stories
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: you guys have about just being pitched?
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: You know, I haven't had anything too crazy pitched wise.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, I've had people you know that pitch you,
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: but it's just the way they go about it is
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: just totally off. One of the ways that I've pitched
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: and that's worked. The Burt Reynolds movie that I was
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: able to be a part of as a first a
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: d and producer like that connection took me two years
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: before I was able to work with that person. And
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: it was more or less of those little things that
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: you do in this beginning, slow baby steps. I'd rather
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: tell them, you know what they I think, you know,
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: worked for us than tell them what what not to do.
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, I pate on a set and you get
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: a call sheet, and you know, I had bigger dreams
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: of doing bigger things. So I took the call sheet
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: because there's big producers and stuff on there, and I
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: held on to that call sheet and found out who
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: the producers were and just you know, let my presence
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: be known. Cool, cool movie, You did a great job.
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: Everything was awesome. Was nice meeting you. That was it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: I think like a year later, we end up going
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: to the premiere of the movie and saying, oh, hey,
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: you know, I'm Jake and this is Brian, great movie.
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: You did a great job on this, and then another
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: you know, six months ago by and hey can you
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: tell you know, take a look at my trailer. I
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: just need some expert advice. Did you did a great
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: job on your last film? It's just a minute and
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: then bom they give you some advice and it's just
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: slowly building over time, you know, and show them that
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: you and in the meantime actually do project, but still
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: keep you know, it's it's it's doing the projects and
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: keep moving forward, but slowly, you know, every now and
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: then reach out and say hi, how you've been and
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: stuff like that. There's nothing wrong with that, but to
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: just come off with the ass right away, it's not
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: gonna I don't think it'll work unless you're you already got,
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: you know, unless you're somebody.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: It's like Gary Ve says, you gotta do the jab
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: jab jab, right hook, and those jabs are give, give, give,
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: and the right hooks and ask.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: That's the new schooling man. I learned everything from just
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: watching videos like that, Like we love guys like that
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: just I mean, because it's like, you know, I never
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: liked reading so much, and I've read books and It's funny.
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: I've read more books when I was out of school
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: than when I did when I was in school. And
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: now I love like, I love podcasts, I love videos,
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: Grant and all these guys like because there's something that
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: they're doing that led to their success.
• 50:02
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• 50:09
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• 50:11
  Speaker 6: And if you can, if you can read between the lines,
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: you know, and and not so much what they're saying,
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: but what are they doing, and then read between the
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: lines of what they're saying, like, you can really become
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: successful by following those guides as far as like those
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: guys are your mentors now, you know.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, mentors through books and mentors through podcasts, mentors through videos.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: It's a wide wide world now, right, yep.
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: I love it, man. And that's what's great about it
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: because I got people hit me up from like Nigeria
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: and shit like that's crazy to even think of. Like
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: we had these guys, you know, because we're pretty we're
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: down to earth guys, and we had these guys call
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: us from Nigeria FaceTime us and they're like I'm like holy, like, hey,
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: what's up man? They're like oh, we're from Nigeria, like
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: holy shit, and we're talking a little bit and there
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: they were just calling to just because I think they
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: were just wanted. They seen our lives and they were
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: they wanted, you know, they want to talk to us
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: on FaceTime. And it's like, you know, it's almost like
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: get to the point because they're just like, oh, hosts
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: filming and it's like, well, you know, you're calling about
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: something and you just calling a chat. You know, it's
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: finding out. But I mean, it's just so cool that
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: we can have people in all these different countries that
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: we're talking to, Like just from our live video. We
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: have a guy Anthony who will probably listen to this.
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: Our buddy Anthony, who we met through Facebook Live and
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: he lives in Australia and he's doing movies out there
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: and he loves the content and we go back and forth.
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: And his buddies were in at the AFM and we
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: were hanging out with his buddies. We have a video
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: one of our live videos. They're from Australia and it's
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: like wow, like that's to me, that's awesome and that's
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: just like so different.
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: So we never had to leave the house to network,
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: you know, so we when we went to the AFM,
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: we got noticed about buying a handful of people that
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: seen our lives because the Fuger filmmakers a big, big
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: group and people are actually.
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: Coming in our booth like hey, where's the job of
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: brothers And we're like, we don't even know them, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: it's like it's cool to be able to have that
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: already established relationship in a way to where they feel
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: like they know us. And it's like, oh, that's so cool,
• 52:29
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: And that's where the new future of everything is going.
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: You don't have to go out and network and fly around.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: You can actually just do it over online, which is
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: so great, you know, and that's what all these these
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: guys are teaching and actually just doing. You know.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: You know when you mentioned that the Nigerians who called you,
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: it reminds me because sometimes when I used to get
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: people coming up to me, No no, no, they didn't call me.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: They those Nigerians that contact me are usually those princes
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: who want money, set of money. But uh, but what
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: what people usually contact me? They usually want to just
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: go grab coffee somewhere. And about a year or two ago,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: I actually just fully stopped it. So if I don't
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: know you, when you want to you say, hey, Dave,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: can we go grab coffee? The answer is ninety nine
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: point nine percent of the time gonna be no. The
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: reason being, it really becomes like what can I do
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: for them? And I understand that, you know, I you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: I've you know, I do this podcast, and I've done
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: some really cool things. I've worked with m Light Shamlan's producer.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: You know, I did it. I did it my own
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: TV pilot. I've done this, that and the other thing.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: But like at the end of the day, though, it's
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: like I I so and I get it, trust me too.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: You feel like you have so many options to get
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: overwhelmed sometimes, But whenever I go to those things, it
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: always becomes it always feels like what can I do
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: for them? And it's always like they want to pick
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: my brain about stuff, and then they go to this
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: and that and they get all downtrodden and I go, I,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: you know, I just don't. This is why I always
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: have to have screeners of people, you know what I mean,
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: Like I have to be if you come recommended or
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: something else, I'll talk to you on the phone. But
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: the whole coffee thing in general. I'm like, I'm not
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: traveling thirty minutes, you know, up up to Philly, up
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: to your north or whatever Philly just to grab coffee
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: with somebody, you know what I mean. I'd rather just
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: do a scrape chat for five minutes, you know what
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: I mean?
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: Right, And they don't and they don't know, you know,
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: they they're like they're in the weeds.
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: They don't see it.
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: So it's good that that people actually listen to this
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: stuff and trying to get the knowledge to to become better.
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: And that's why we try to preach a lot of
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: this different stuff in marketing and sales and and really
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: trying to expand filmmaking and show people like you've got
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: to open your eyes a little bit further than just filmmaking,
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: because that's where the win, I believe is, is you know,
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: being able to communicate period communication, because dude, like I've
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: made these mistakes, like I've went up to people straight.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: For the ass, like and it's learning by like going, yeah,
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: that that didn't work out good, you know, in dissect it,
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: why did that work out good?
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: You know, because I'm too blunt. I came off that
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: way so you got to have an understanding of that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: I think that's how we try to talk to talk
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: is like, hey, this is what we've done, this is
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: what we've learned. Hopefully it works for you. Some of
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: it may not, some of it may, and you know,
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: have at it, like let's work together. Let's let's make
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: some some fucking magic. Like let's really make some magic
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: to where the new generation has their voice, you know,
• 55:26
  Speaker 6: and they do through Facebook and like podcasts and all
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: this shit.
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: So I would say a good way to just approach
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: anybody who approach yourself, I'm sure approach us. It's just like, hey,
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: I heard your podcast. Awesome, man, the advice was absolutely amazing.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: If you thought it was amazing, you know, thank you
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: for that, and that's it and leave it, you know,
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: leave it at that at least for you know, a
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: couple of weeks or whatever. Let it, let it marinate,
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: follow them, find out what their interest and what they
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: like and what's to win for them.
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, follow up is key too. So if you do
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: reach out to somebody, you know, don't be scouraged if
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: they don't get to you right away. Like I've I've
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: been contacting this one producer over and over again, you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: every couple of months, just to build that connection. And
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: I think that's key is just stay stay present and
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: when it works out, it will eventually if you stay
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: present enough, because most people want to see if you're
• 56:19
  Speaker 6: willing to put in the work. I feel, because you know,
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: if they had to put in the work, you know,
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: they're not just going to give you their whole email
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: list or their whole world because you're asking for it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: It's like, well, dude, like I've spent like eight years
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: of my life building this. Like I can't just give
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: you my the keys to my kingdom or to my building.
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: Like I got to get to know you a little bit,
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: trust you, maybe we work together a little bit, and
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: then now, yeah, this guy's cool. I can trust them
• 56:44
  Speaker 6: with my keys. You know what I'm saying.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I see exactly what you mean. And uh yeah,
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: you know it's all about you know, building those relationships
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: and also you know building them, you know, just building
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: the relationships period, you know what I mean. And and
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: just you want to want to sort of built it
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: in a in a in the right way. And and again,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I mean we I think I've done the same thing too.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: I've been there where I've just asked way too early,
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: and because you jump the gun, you're like, oh crap,
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: I'm never gonna see this person again. What should I say?
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know read my screenplay, so you're kinda oh shit.
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: Uh you know.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: And and and so, if everyone listening, if you took
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: any advice from from either Jake, Brian or myself, please
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: just you know, tweet us and let us know. And uh,
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: and so, I mean, guys, we've been talking for about
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: fifty five minutes or so now, So just in closing,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: is there any anything you you want to say Brian
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: and Jake to sort of put it periodt this end
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: of this whole conversation.
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: Go make something, Just make you make it?
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: No just uh, man, what we're doing? Man, trial and error, dude.
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: We you know, we go do something and you know,
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: you just call it a fail. You can call it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: You know, we tried and then you try something else.
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: You know, we're gonna put out this Haunted Tour show.
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: It would be a super success. I don't know. We're
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: gonna do our best, right, We're gonna put everything we
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: have into it and make it happen. If it doesn't
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: do very well, fine, figure this out, figure that out.
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: So the key is just doing figuring it out along
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: the way, and it'll lead up to places you probably
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: didn't expect. You might be I never, you know, could
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: never speak in front of people, and you know, but
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: more you do it, it's weird. The more you do it,
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: the better you get at it. And I've gotten a
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: lot better. Actually, I can go in front of a
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: crowd now and actually, you know, speak, I still turn
• 58:34
  Speaker 7: super red. I'm red right now. It's just like you know, speaking,
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: but you become better as you do. So that's why
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: I just make your first film. If you're a first
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: time filmmaker, just go make something and then reach out
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: to us and say, hey, guys, I heard your podcast.
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: Great job, and then, you know, build that connection with
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: us because we want to get to know you guys.
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: And send us your film if you have it, and
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: don't go straight to the end though, you know, talk
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: to us a little thing and get to know me,
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: and then I would love to look at your stuff,
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: you know, But don't just send it because I don't
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: know you, and that's weird and I don't know what
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: I'm looking at.
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: So unless unless you're asked to send it. You know,
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: there's there's times where we put out calls for scripts
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: or whatever we're looking for on our Facebook page and
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: things like that. So that's when you want to send it.
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: It's knowing when to send it when they're when when
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: the win win is in place. Hey guys, I'm looking
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: for one location script.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Oh I got one?
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: Oh really, Okay, send it on over or Hey guys,
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: I got a movie that's finished. I'd love for you
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: guys to take a look at it. Maybe you can
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: distribute it. Okay, cool, let me look at it. Take
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: a look at it. Yeah, I love this. Let's distribute it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: Hey guys, I got a movie. I've got some money.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: I want to pay you guys for your time, put
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: you on as producers and hire you through your production company. Awesome,
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: let's do it. Maybe we can come on and work
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: out a deal to where we distribute it. So it's
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: finding out what they're looking for, going in for the
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: ass the right time, and staying present with the follow up.
• 59:57
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• 1:00:03
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• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to treat everything like a skill and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: and just that's something I've learned too, is you have
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: to treat everything like a skill. You know, speaking of
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: public as a skill. Uh, you know, doing all sorts
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: of you know, being good at social media as a skill,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: all the different skills on the film set, writing is
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: a skill, Pitching is a skill.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: The more I've I've learned about this stuff, the more
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: I realized it's all about if you treat everything like
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: a skill, uh, and you have to get good at it,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: it kind of all sort of falls into place. You
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean that you have to do it
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  Speaker 4: to get good at it, and and you you just
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  Speaker 4: have to do it, which is you know, you have
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  Speaker 4: to have action, right, Yeah, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: everything always involves action, just like a character and a screenplay.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody likes a passive protagonist.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, Yeah, it's all about execution. Man.
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  Speaker 7: If you execute, if you search hard enough, you'll find
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  Speaker 7: what you're looking for. It just you got to search,
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  Speaker 7: you know, really really hard and keep searching. Because like
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  Speaker 7: on Baker, it took him what fifteen twenty years I
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  Speaker 7: think he said, yep, exactly, and he wasn't.
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  Speaker 6: So now people think, oh, this Sean Baker guy made
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  Speaker 6: it overnight. Well, dude, you don't know. He's been doing
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  Speaker 6: it for fifteen twenty years, but you may end up
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  Speaker 6: like Robert Ariguez who first feature got some buzz going.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you just never know. That's why we say,
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  Speaker 6: just start doing something and be creative.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, excellent, that's excellent, guys. And it's always good to
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  Speaker 4: keep things like that in the perspective because there is
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  Speaker 4: no overnight successes. That's the number one rule. There is
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  Speaker 4: no overnight successes.
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  Speaker 7: What are you talking about? Man?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, guys, where can people find you out online?
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  Speaker 7: Where we stay on?
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  Speaker 6: Facebook?
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  Speaker 7: At job At Brothers and Instagram? Man, right now, we
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  Speaker 7: have a YouTube, but we're more you know, Facebook and Instagram.
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  Speaker 7: Definitely follow us on Facebook and Instagram ad job At
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  Speaker 7: Brothers JLRT.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then they can check us out at Joberbrothers
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  Speaker 6: dot com too, and then it has all the social
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  Speaker 6: media sites from there as well.
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  Speaker 4: Guys, Jake Brian, I want to say thank you so
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  Speaker 4: much for coming on.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, thank you, Dave Man, thanks for having us brother
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  Speaker 7: appreciate the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to thank Dave so much for doing
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