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The Last of Us Special: Episode 5 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to step
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Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio, and
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Speaker 1: we've made it half away, can you believe it? Halfway?
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Speaker 1: Halfway ore mini series covering the Last of Us which
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Speaker 1: again is not sponsored by HREO Max currently, which is
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Speaker 1: a real shame. But the season this yeah, because they've
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Speaker 1: been renewed for a second season, is halfway through. Uh.
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Speaker 1: This is a nine episode thing that we're doing. Is
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Speaker 1: coming out on Saturdays. It's a special mini series and
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Speaker 1: the last one probably will be March eighteenth. The season
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Speaker 1: finale of the show is March twelve. Um. Anyone who's
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Speaker 1: listened to this knows it's one of a very favorite thing,
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Speaker 1: so very excited to talk about it as always, and
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Speaker 1: this was an episode I was very very very excited about. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: apologies to my friend Marissa who sits next to me
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Speaker 1: during our viewing parties, Samantha, because I might have given
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Speaker 1: some bruises. That's my excited on the arm, quite sure,
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Speaker 1: but she starts to poke excited yea, yeah, sorry Marissa. Um,
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Speaker 1: so as always, Uh, this will contain Spoilersure episode five,
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Speaker 1: the most recent episode called Endure and survive and all
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Speaker 1: the episodes that came out previously. I will do my
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Speaker 1: best not to spoil anything else, and Samantha will be
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Speaker 1: my guide in this as always as well. Um and yeah,
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Speaker 1: we will return to regularly scheduled programming, probably in Mark.
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Speaker 1: So yes, uh, content morning before we get into this
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Speaker 1: discussion of violence, death and suicide. I don't think we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get into anything too in depth, but those are
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Speaker 1: going to be topics of conversation. Correct, very good. I
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Speaker 1: think should we start with the recap? Yes, Samantha, give
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Speaker 1: us our recap? Right, I got the recap, um, and
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that we will be able to see them
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Speaker 1: before and after reaction of any of this episode. Even
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Speaker 1: though she predicted pretty much everything that would happen and
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Speaker 1: was correct, Um, she was still fun to watch. So
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Speaker 1: let's begin now. And at the end of episode four,
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Speaker 1: we saw Rutt Row, Ellie, and Joel being held by
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Speaker 1: gunpoint by Sam and Henry. But we start episode five
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Speaker 1: with a flashback of when Kansas City first got uh.
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Speaker 1: I guess the militia took over and took out feder
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Speaker 1: You hear people shouting freedom, freedom, free, free, and then
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Speaker 1: we see bodies pretty much of all the federal soldiers
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Speaker 1: who have been rounded at the murdered at this point executed.
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Speaker 1: We find out Kathleen as the leader and has done
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Speaker 1: some things brithon the collaborators who have pretty much told
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Speaker 1: on any of the rebellion rebels, essentially rebel militia teams
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Speaker 1: who believe were executed at that point by fedra Um.
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Speaker 1: And then she's trying to find Henry. We find out
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Speaker 1: that she's searching desperately and asking this whole crew of collaborators,
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Speaker 1: who she shames uh for giving up people for apples,
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Speaker 1: as she says, um, so just food and basic needs.
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Speaker 1: And after she says, you know, I we will give mercy.
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Speaker 1: Just tell us who where he is all these things,
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Speaker 1: and finally someone says he's with Dr Edelstein, who we
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Speaker 1: see earlier in episode four being executed and being questioned
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Speaker 1: about Henry and sam Um, and she's like, okay, well, good,
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Speaker 1: thank you. She walks out UH and Perry, who we
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Speaker 1: know was the voice of Tommy and the Game, who
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Speaker 1: is her right hand man, comes out and it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing. She's like, we got to find
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Speaker 1: him all these things, and then he's like oh, are
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Speaker 1: we actually gonna let have a trial? As what she said,
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Speaker 1: and she's she's like, no for the bodies, um. And
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Speaker 1: so in episode four we saw the pile of bodies
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Speaker 1: and this is what it's alluding to. So they have
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Speaker 1: executed all of the collaborators. At this point in time,
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Speaker 1: we do see that Henry and Sam are hiding UM
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Speaker 1: and they are being actually held by Dr Edelstein as
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Speaker 1: it is implied in episode four. We find out here
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Speaker 1: that Um, Sam is deaf, and so the way they
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Speaker 1: communicates obviously through sign language. UM. They are hiding up
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Speaker 1: in this attic essentially with provisions and just UM waiting
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Speaker 1: I guess for the best time to escape. At this
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Speaker 1: point in time, we also have a beautiful scene in
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Speaker 1: which Henry paints over his eyes to make him look
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Speaker 1: like a superhero, which we have already seen all the
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Speaker 1: drawings of throughout the attic where they were staying. And
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Speaker 1: this is what Sam does is he kind of draws
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Speaker 1: all these superheroes, alluding that he and his brother are
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Speaker 1: superheroes while they're hiding out Dr Edelstein because they've run
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Speaker 1: out of food, leaves to go give a more and
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Speaker 1: he never comes back. Obviously they're worried. Henry tries to
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Speaker 1: be a beam, like no, no no, no, he'll be fine.
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Speaker 1: Finally he figures out and just it mess yet he's
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Speaker 1: not coming back. It's ober. At this point, we see
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Speaker 1: from their point of view when Joel and Ellie come
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Speaker 1: crashing through and having the gun battle, and they're like
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Speaker 1: what's going on, even at one point thinking that Joel
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Speaker 1: may have seen him, and they're like, okay, moving on.
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Speaker 1: Then we find them sneaking and they find the glass.
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Speaker 1: They sneakily go past that glass because they know they
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Speaker 1: know um and they could sneak up on Joel and Ellie,
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Speaker 1: who wake up. And at this point Henry pretty much
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Speaker 1: makes a deal. He's like, hey, I know you're good.
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Speaker 1: I know you can get us out of here, you
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Speaker 1: can protect us. So let's make a deal. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you how to get out of here if you will
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Speaker 1: five fours essentially, And of course we have Joel or
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Speaker 1: sad murdered dad being very sarcastic, like cool, how cool.
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Speaker 1: Henry's like you, I don't want the way that sounded.
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Speaker 1: Ellie's trying to be like it's fine, it's fine. He's
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Speaker 1: just a jerk, he's just as an ask all these things.
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Speaker 1: She's like, man, come on. They do end up going
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Speaker 1: traveling together and they talk about He talks about he's
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Speaker 1: never murdered anybody. He doesn't even have bullets in the gun,
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Speaker 1: which apparently some people have looked at that scene and
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Speaker 1: said that he does. He just didn't have it in
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Speaker 1: the chamber at that point in time. What so um.
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Speaker 1: They come upon an agreement. Joel gives them food. Joel
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Speaker 1: Ellie give them food, and they're like, where'd you get this?
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Speaker 1: And he's like our friend who's dead talking about Bill
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Speaker 1: sad times um. And then they move on and they
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Speaker 1: talk about the fact that they can go under the
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Speaker 1: tunnels are under the ground because that is empty because
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Speaker 1: it's been rumored that Fedra put all of the clickers
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Speaker 1: and the bloaters, which they actually referenced clickers in this episode.
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, look at that. Yeah, I actually
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Speaker 1: called them a clicker. Um. That they've been all pushed
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Speaker 1: underground and therefore it's empty, and Henry knows how to
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Speaker 1: get out. All cool, all cool. So they make their
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Speaker 1: way down sneakily. They're sneaking, sneaking, sneaking, um, and they
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Speaker 1: come upon it what looks like a classroom, which is
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Speaker 1: an underground bunker where they apparently kept a lot of
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Speaker 1: the classrooms and such. Then we see a reference to
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Speaker 1: Ish and Annie. I know you'll come back to that later.
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Speaker 1: That is not necessarily important, but a good Easter egg. Um.
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Speaker 1: We also see that there's a mention of children and
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Speaker 1: what happened to the children, and it is not cute.
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Speaker 1: It's very very sad, and we'll talk about that later,
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Speaker 1: but the implication is obvious. But here we see Ellie
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Speaker 1: and Sam getting along. They already started getting along previously,
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Speaker 1: to the point that Henry is like, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: been a long time since I've seen him happy, Like
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Speaker 1: he's Sam having fun. And they're then getting along so well.
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Speaker 1: They play a little soccer and Ellie's able to convince him, hey,
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Speaker 1: we should stay here for the night. Might as well
8:00
Speaker 1: so they get to see what we will see um
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Speaker 1: here as well as when you see it in the
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Speaker 1: game Uh. Comic that both Sam and Ellie really love.
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Speaker 1: They talked about it. The words endure and survive as
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Speaker 1: part of the motto or I guess the tagline to
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Speaker 1: these comics. As in fact, we have glasses because any
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Speaker 1: bot glasses for us, I says, endear and survive real talk.
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that's where it's from. Well, yeah, we'll
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Speaker 1: play video games that this is, you know anyway, And
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Speaker 1: so at this point, you know, they're talking about what happened,
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Speaker 1: and Henry talked about the fact that Sam had leukemia
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Speaker 1: and the only way to get the good drugs to
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Speaker 1: help him was by ratting on Kathleen's brother who gets
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Speaker 1: murdered and gets caught. Um. So he did actually rat
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Speaker 1: on the brother. And we find in a conversation where
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Speaker 1: Kathleen is reminiscing in her bedroom, old bedroom, um about
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Speaker 1: how good her brother was and kind and caring um,
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Speaker 1: and that you know she isn't she's not nice, she's
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Speaker 1: not good. She she is she knows who she is,
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Speaker 1: and she is bad, she says, UM. And she's intest
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Speaker 1: to Perry. Don't try to convince me to forgive my
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Speaker 1: brother did that and look what it got him. He's dead.
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Speaker 1: So what's the matter. I need this vengeance essentially, And
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Speaker 1: he's like, you know what, You're the one who got
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Speaker 1: us out. You're the one who freed us, so we
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Speaker 1: will always follow you. Kind of things like good, and
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Speaker 1: so we move on where they're hunting them down, trying
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Speaker 1: to find Henry and Sam. Henry and Sam, Joel and
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Speaker 1: Ellie are all getting along nicely and they decide, Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's time to sneak out. It's time to go. So
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Speaker 1: there's a back way I believe, like through a tunnel,
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Speaker 1: all these things, and he has he has his plans.
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Speaker 1: As they're sneaking, Ellie's like, you know what, why don't
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Speaker 1: you come with us to Wyoming. There's plenty of any
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Speaker 1: and Joel's like, what the hell? And then she's like,
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Speaker 1: come on, Wyoming is big. I can go wherever. And
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Speaker 1: then she's like, don't worry. I could talk him into it,
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Speaker 1: you know how I beg and I won't stop the
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Speaker 1: I will you know. That was the point and then
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Speaker 1: oh no, shots ring out. Oh my god. So they
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Speaker 1: all have to scurry and we realize there is a
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Speaker 1: sharp shooter in the bell tower, in the tower and
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Speaker 1: the castle thing. So and we hear him shooting and
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Speaker 1: they he misses, and they're like, oh my god, he's
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Speaker 1: such a bad shot. And so of course Joel does
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Speaker 1: his thing. We just reminisce it to the game and
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Speaker 1: goes and sneaks up on the dude and finds him
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Speaker 1: in the tower, and he's gives him an option and
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Speaker 1: be like, man, give me the gun. Just give me
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Speaker 1: the gun and give it us an hour. Just give
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Speaker 1: us an hour before you want. Nope, he tries to
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Speaker 1: shoot him, so Joel has to take him out, and
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Speaker 1: the next thing we hear is on the radio Kathleen
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Speaker 1: saying hold them there, hold them there, rut row, and
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Speaker 1: we hear cars coming at the same time Joel screaming
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Speaker 1: run and everybody's super confused, and then there allies, Oh no,
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Speaker 1: here comes a giant truck again like the game, running
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Speaker 1: over trucks to get to Henry and Sam and Elie.
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Speaker 1: They go hide behind a car. They all come out.
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Speaker 1: Kathleen's that come on out, it's time. Oh bt dubs.
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Speaker 1: Joel does shoot the driver of the big truck that
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Speaker 1: runs over things, which causes it to crash into a
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Speaker 1: building and catch us on fire. Um. And so at
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Speaker 1: this point we see that Henry is uh considering coming out.
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Speaker 1: He does come out and like, hey, I got it there, kids.
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Speaker 1: I had to do what I had to do save
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Speaker 1: the kids, and She's like, nope, they're a part of
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Speaker 1: this too, and in this whole speech about destiny and
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Speaker 1: who's supposed to die and the children die, and that's
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Speaker 1: just what happens, very cold, very calculated, very cruel, all
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Speaker 1: of these conversations and the fact that one life is
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Speaker 1: not worth everything else, although she's doing the same thing
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Speaker 1: by saying that her brother was worth more than these kids,
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Speaker 1: so you know, there's a lot of conversations than that. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden we hear as she's
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Speaker 1: about to pull the gun, pull the trigger and trying
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Speaker 1: to kill Henry. We hear a noise from where that
11:46
Speaker 1: crash happened, as a car falls into a hole I
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Speaker 1: don't know joy to think of clickers, and the bloader
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Speaker 1: comes out and attacks everyone. So you hear chaos and
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Speaker 1: screaming and click clickers and all the cookers, and and
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Speaker 1: then this bloater who just picks up a man and
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Speaker 1: slams them down. That's the first thing we see, and
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Speaker 1: that bloaters ugly um. As this happens, Henry and Sam
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Speaker 1: trying to escape one way, and Ellie goes into a
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Speaker 1: car followed by a child clicker, which is ironic because
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Speaker 1: that's what we talked about the children, right, But then
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Speaker 1: we see Joel shooting them down. As we see in
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Speaker 1: the game, that's kind of the part of the game.
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Speaker 1: You will have to shoot the clickers to save Ellie,
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Speaker 1: and that's what happens. And as that goes down, she
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Speaker 1: runs away and she's going with Henry and Sam and
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Speaker 1: Kathine catches up with him and she's about to kill
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Speaker 1: them when she gets killed by a child clicker herself.
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Speaker 1: Oh dear. They finally make it to a house and
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Speaker 1: it's quiet, and you see Henry and Joel in one
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Speaker 1: room and Ellie and Sam in another room. And by
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Speaker 1: the way, they're communicating with an it just sketch type
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Speaker 1: of thing like the cheaper version. Sam writes to Ellie
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Speaker 1: and Ellie right back or talks back, and that's how
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Speaker 1: they communicate. Here we see Joel relent and say, yes,
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Speaker 1: you should come with us to Wyoming. I didn't mean
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Speaker 1: to judge you as a collaborator. I know you have
13:10
Speaker 1: to do what you have to do, which he did
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Speaker 1: judge him a little bit because Joel is Joel said
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Speaker 1: murder dad um. And then we find out as Ellie
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Speaker 1: is talking to Sam, Sam says, what do you think
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Speaker 1: there's still people when when they become these clickers, you know,
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Speaker 1: do you think they still know and all these things
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Speaker 1: or are they just monsters? And she says, you know,
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Speaker 1: I believe, I believe you know, they do all these things.
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Speaker 1: It was really sad. And then he asked her her
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Speaker 1: biggest beer and she's like, you know, uh, scorpions and
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Speaker 1: I don't want to die alone or not being alone.
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Speaker 1: And then we see a moment and he shows her
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Speaker 1: his leg. Oh no, he's bit and she thinks that.
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Speaker 1: She's like, you know what, my blood secure, that's what
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Speaker 1: I'm doing. So she cuts herself, rubs it on the blood.
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Speaker 1: She's like, I'll stay with you, wake all night. Roll
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Speaker 1: cut to the morning, she's like Sam and yeah, Sam
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Speaker 1: attacks her because he's become a zombie and he's about
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Speaker 1: to cry um and as he attacks her, he they
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Speaker 1: bust out the room. Uh. But Henry realized that was happening,
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Speaker 1: grabs a gun away from Joel. Joel tries to stop,
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Speaker 1: but Henry shoots at him to stop him. And Henry
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Speaker 1: you could tell it's confused and upset and doesn't know
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Speaker 1: what to do. And then he shoots Sam in the
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Speaker 1: head and as he sits there he isn't shock and
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Speaker 1: he's like, what did I do? What did I do?
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Speaker 1: Shoots himself because he's in too much pain. Um, And
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Speaker 1: the next thing we see is Joel burying the two
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Speaker 1: and uh, Ellie trying to act tough even though Joel's
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Speaker 1: trying to kind of kind of be sympathetic. You could
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Speaker 1: tell he wants to be the fatherly, comforting guy. But
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Speaker 1: she's done, she's done. She puts down the pat and
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Speaker 1: says I'm sorry, and she says, how do we go? West?
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Speaker 1: And of the story. Yeah, it was a tough one.
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Speaker 1: It's a hard one. Yeah, Yeah, I've loved how many
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Speaker 1: people have just texted me randomly about it, like why
15:18
Speaker 1: crying emojis, Like yeah, I know, it's I believe. The
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Speaker 1: spoiler that we've given is none of them are happy.
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Speaker 1: Now you might have like little moments of happiness just
15:34
Speaker 1: like they do, but in actuality, the whole thing is traumatic,
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Speaker 1: tragic and sad and scary. Indeed so fun, so fun. Yes,
15:46
Speaker 1: there is a lot to cover in this one, so
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Speaker 1: let's jump right in. First. I did want to mention
15:53
Speaker 1: as you were doing the excellent recap as always, and
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Speaker 1: you did excellent impression, but Ellie calls it his asked
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Speaker 1: voice um, when he's kind of like not helping out
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Speaker 1: with Henry and Sam, and she's trying to really bridge
16:10
Speaker 1: the gap between them, which I thought was funny. You
16:12
Speaker 1: do see the progression of the sad murder Dad trope,
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Speaker 1: which again Joel is like, excellent. Uh, like if you
16:19
Speaker 1: looked at up in a dictionary. Um. You have a
16:24
Speaker 1: moment where Henry thinks Ellie is Joel's daughter and they
16:29
Speaker 1: both say at the same time, like nope, my dad.
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Speaker 1: Hope because he goes like, you're dead, cynical, not my dad. Yes.
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Speaker 1: And we will talk more about that in a minute,
16:40
Speaker 1: because I do feel like me and one of my
16:43
Speaker 1: good friends who uh loves this game and played it
16:47
Speaker 1: many times, Katie who comes to a lot of the
16:49
Speaker 1: watch parties as well, we were talking about it and
16:51
Speaker 1: how when you watch like the post credits, like when
16:55
Speaker 1: the creators are talking about it, it feels so heavy
16:58
Speaker 1: handed when you like, no, what happens right, But I'm
17:02
Speaker 1: sure like if you don't know, it doesn't feel that way.
17:04
Speaker 1: But when you're like, why would you say that? Everyone
17:08
Speaker 1: will know. We'll talk about that in a second. I
17:11
Speaker 1: did want to talk about the Bloater, which I know.
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Speaker 1: I saw it trending on Twitter, the little emoji bloats
17:21
Speaker 1: an emogi. Oh, I didn't know that. Well. I think
17:24
Speaker 1: it's one of those special ones they do for like promotional,
17:27
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's like when I could get
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Speaker 1: on my phone, which is unfortunate, But um, the Bloater
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Speaker 1: is really cool. I was like, I was watching how
17:37
Speaker 1: they like made it happen. It's like this really tall
17:40
Speaker 1: stunt person and like eighty pounds of prosthetics. But the Bloater.
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Speaker 1: So if you have the timeline of zombies, basically you
17:50
Speaker 1: have your runner and then you have Clicker and then
17:51
Speaker 1: you have a Bloater. So Bloater has been around for
17:53
Speaker 1: a long time and they can they joked about it
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Speaker 1: in episode two. They can shoot out these like acid
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Speaker 1: bomb acid spore bombs to infect you very very deadly.
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Speaker 1: In the game. You meet them when you're with Bill.
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Speaker 1: That's the first time you meet them. But I like
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Speaker 1: that they put it here. It felt like I saw
18:10
Speaker 1: a lot of reviews and headlines that were like if
18:13
Speaker 1: if people keep calling it a quote prestige drama, which
18:16
Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel about. But if a
18:17
Speaker 1: prestige drama had like a boss battle feet prestige trauma,
18:23
Speaker 1: I know, but it was I mean, it was like
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Speaker 1: the all of the clickers coming up, all of the
18:28
Speaker 1: runners coming up, and then you hear that like croaking
18:31
Speaker 1: sound of the bloater emerging from like hill because there's
18:34
Speaker 1: like smoke and red who and he rips off? Perry
18:41
Speaker 1: does he ripped his hill off? I mean, come on, Perry. Yeah,
18:48
Speaker 1: he's hard to beat. He is difficult to beat. But
18:53
Speaker 1: that was cool And and Craig Mice amazing, the creator
18:58
Speaker 1: Shaw runner of it, said he wanted one example at
19:01
Speaker 1: least because there haven't been that many zombies. As we've
19:03
Speaker 1: discussed in the show, Um of like how did humanity lose?
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Speaker 1: And this was just such a like overwhelming force coming
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Speaker 1: from the ground and just running, running all the humans
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Speaker 1: down and then the humans become Yes. Yes, the child
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Speaker 1: clicker was a nice touch that was not in the game.
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Speaker 1: The sniper scene is in the game also when you
19:30
Speaker 1: see Ellie she runs over to try to help Um,
19:35
Speaker 1: Henry and Sam, and she brings out her knife and
19:37
Speaker 1: stabs the clicker in the neck. That's that's a big
19:39
Speaker 1: moment of the game because she you do play as
19:43
Speaker 1: her Um and I'm going to talk about that more later,
19:45
Speaker 1: not in this episode, but later. And one of her
19:48
Speaker 1: big differences she has with because she doesn't have like
19:51
Speaker 1: the physical prowess. Obviously she doesn't have that many weapons,
19:54
Speaker 1: but she has this knife and she's small and she's
19:56
Speaker 1: much more stealthy, so she can kill a clicker where's
19:59
Speaker 1: Joel can't always because he needs a shift you have
20:03
Speaker 1: to make a shift or find a shift. But she
20:05
Speaker 1: always has a knife, so she can if you're sneaky enough,
20:09
Speaker 1: she can take down the clickers. So that was cool
20:11
Speaker 1: to see. Ish was definitely a really fun Easter Egg.
20:18
Speaker 1: It's a tragic story. It's one of those things where
20:21
Speaker 1: in the game, again, you could mostly miss it. You
20:25
Speaker 1: have to go through that area, but it's a lot
20:27
Speaker 1: You find out a lot of the story and what
20:28
Speaker 1: went wrong through notes, so you can miss a lot
20:31
Speaker 1: of that. But basically, Ish was this guy who retreated
20:36
Speaker 1: into the sewers Um after the outbreak happened, and Um
20:41
Speaker 1: he tried to he was he was really about like
20:44
Speaker 1: saving people in a way that a lot of people
20:46
Speaker 1: like Joel weren't Um where he he made it kind
20:49
Speaker 1: of just like if I can find people and I
20:51
Speaker 1: can like make this community and we can have it
20:53
Speaker 1: here and can be safety. Had all these rules and
20:55
Speaker 1: they had all these kids, and basically somebody follow the
21:00
Speaker 1: rules and let in somebody was infected, and then that
21:04
Speaker 1: got everybody in there. And it's really sad when you
21:07
Speaker 1: go through, when you're reading the notes and you go
21:09
Speaker 1: into the Kidnergarden room. Oh oh my god. But it
21:15
Speaker 1: was cool that they included it. Um, But that was
21:17
Speaker 1: definitely something. I just got random texts that night that
21:20
Speaker 1: were just ish. Yes, And I love how many people
21:25
Speaker 1: are playing the game now and they will get to
21:27
Speaker 1: their first bloater and they'll just I'll get like live
21:30
Speaker 1: messaging about fighting it and I'm like, yes, I love
21:33
Speaker 1: this is so good. Um, as you said. And during
21:38
Speaker 1: Survives a comic book series that Ellie really loves, and
21:42
Speaker 1: it is one of those few well, they become fewer
21:44
Speaker 1: and fewer things of kind of her like youth and
21:48
Speaker 1: innocence and curiosity that show like, oh, she's still really
21:52
Speaker 1: young in this in this world and she so in
21:54
Speaker 1: the game. It's sort of a thing where you can
21:56
Speaker 1: try to find them for her as playing playing Joel
21:58
Speaker 1: and so she'll be happy read them, um, which is
22:02
Speaker 1: is really cool. I think one of the big things
22:06
Speaker 1: that we're seeing in this episode that they didn't show
22:10
Speaker 1: as early in the game as they're showing now, UM,
22:14
Speaker 1: is Ellie's survivor's guilt of being someone who survived the
22:19
Speaker 1: bite and really wanting to help other people. Yeah, because
22:24
Speaker 1: that was really heartbreaking her trying to cure uh Sam
22:28
Speaker 1: after he'd been bitten and then feeling that guilted, like writing,
22:31
Speaker 1: I'm sorry leaving it there right, Um, But that that
22:34
Speaker 1: is like a very big part of her story, and
22:37
Speaker 1: I think they're showing it a lot earlier, more viscerally
22:42
Speaker 1: and earlier than they did in the game, And that
22:44
Speaker 1: that conversation, it was very well done, um, with the
22:49
Speaker 1: a sl and the kind of etching sketch thing. That
22:52
Speaker 1: conversation in the game is like burned in my brain.
22:54
Speaker 1: When they have the you don't know Sam's infected yet
22:58
Speaker 1: and he's asking like, what's your biggest here, and she says, yeah,
23:02
Speaker 1: I'm scared of ending up alone. Um. And then they
23:05
Speaker 1: could talk about like whether or not they believe in God,
23:08
Speaker 1: and they talk about souls and whether or not zombies. Yeah,
23:11
Speaker 1: souls are still in there. So that's the whole thing
23:16
Speaker 1: that I would keep in the old brain. Uh. That
23:25
Speaker 1: gets us one way to say it. Keep it in that,
23:28
Speaker 1: keep it in the old brain. Yeah. And then obviously
23:32
Speaker 1: the story of Henry and Sam was like the key
23:35
Speaker 1: piece of this and it was one like people who
23:40
Speaker 1: knew we were like, oh no, what are they gonna do?
23:42
Speaker 1: Are they gonna handle it? Um? In the game? Uh,
23:47
Speaker 1: Sam is not deaf, So I thought that was cool.
23:51
Speaker 1: And I liked the behind the scenes of how they
23:53
Speaker 1: kind of learned as L with the a s L
23:55
Speaker 1: trainer on sets Um. That was really cool. There was
24:00
Speaker 1: like Kathleen's kind of able is um around Sam basically
24:06
Speaker 1: I guess deserving to die after he got his leukemia
24:09
Speaker 1: diagnosis or not mean more saving, I guess it's a
24:11
Speaker 1: better way of saying it. But they are supposed to
24:14
Speaker 1: be sort of the mirror of Ellie and Joel, these
24:18
Speaker 1: other two people where you've got kind of the protector
24:21
Speaker 1: and the the kid trying to make their way in
24:24
Speaker 1: this world. And in the game, they're trying to get
24:26
Speaker 1: to the Firefly place, just like you are. Uh. And
24:31
Speaker 1: Jewel is always like Firefly and he's like well, why
24:36
Speaker 1: are you going man? But it was a moment where
24:41
Speaker 1: you get to see this bonding of Sam and Ellie,
24:45
Speaker 1: of seeing this kind of childlike innocence. This is also
24:48
Speaker 1: something you can actually miss in the game. There's a
24:50
Speaker 1: lot of really small moments you can have of like
24:53
Speaker 1: them playing darts together, sharing like blueberries together, that you
24:57
Speaker 1: can miss, but they definitely put that in in the
25:02
Speaker 1: in the game. And also, as we discussed in the
25:05
Speaker 1: last one, you do see this cycle of violence of
25:11
Speaker 1: Kathleen's brother dying and then her killing all these people
25:18
Speaker 1: to find Henry, who turned in Kathleen's brother to save
25:25
Speaker 1: sam Um and just that the cycle of that and
25:32
Speaker 1: the conversation that Henry and Joel have together where Henry's like,
25:35
Speaker 1: I'm the bad guy, right, I did a bad guy thing.
25:38
Speaker 1: I turned this guy and who he respected and really admired,
25:43
Speaker 1: and Joel kind of being like notably silent until later
25:49
Speaker 1: he's also a little bit judgmental, Like it's weirdly like
25:52
Speaker 1: hypocritical of him being judgmental, but he does because he's like, well,
25:55
Speaker 1: he also doesn't like fed in himself, but right, right,
26:01
Speaker 1: I think Joel's just so closed off about like people
26:04
Speaker 1: in general that he's got all these walls and is
26:08
Speaker 1: not going to listen, doesn't want to be around anybody.
26:12
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons he changed that why
26:15
Speaker 1: he finally invited Henry and Sam to go with him
26:19
Speaker 1: at the end, it's because he saw Henry protect Ellie,
26:23
Speaker 1: because Ellie was in trouble and Henry kind of came
26:25
Speaker 1: in to save her when Joel was up sniping from above,
26:29
Speaker 1: and I think at that moment he was like, okay,
26:31
Speaker 1: he he could be useful and he helped protect her,
26:34
Speaker 1: and I think it's part of him was like, it
26:37
Speaker 1: is nice that she has somebody she can talk to
26:39
Speaker 1: that's her own ish age. But then like this is
26:44
Speaker 1: the when you get to Sam being infected and Henry
26:53
Speaker 1: taking his own life after killing him. That's kind of
26:56
Speaker 1: the like we're seeing Henry being willing to do anything
27:02
Speaker 1: to protect Sam, and then what happens when that's gone,
27:04
Speaker 1: Like his whole purpose was that what happens when that's gone,
27:07
Speaker 1: And he was the one that had to kill him,
27:11
Speaker 1: and that's it was. It was just such like heartbreaking,
27:16
Speaker 1: heartbreaking scene. Um and it is so at the end
27:21
Speaker 1: when the creators were talking about it and they were talking.
27:24
Speaker 1: They said, like, you know how many people you you
27:27
Speaker 1: sacrifice for the one you love? Um, what are these
27:30
Speaker 1: choices that you make? And Craig mis and said, these
27:33
Speaker 1: are decisions that love makes, not rationality. And and look
27:37
Speaker 1: what happens when you choose vengeance, which is a theme
27:40
Speaker 1: over and over again in these games. Oh my god. Um.
27:44
Speaker 1: And kind of her Kathleen having this whole speech like
27:47
Speaker 1: you know, you think your whole world revolves around this
27:49
Speaker 1: one kid, that's what happens when you with fate and
27:51
Speaker 1: then and then what happens to kids exactly the conquence
28:00
Speaker 1: and kill you because she knew, she ignored that there
28:05
Speaker 1: was this like sinkhole where they knew they were infected,
28:11
Speaker 1: and she ignored it because she wanted vengeance more, these
28:15
Speaker 1: were the consequences of choosing that, um. And then yes,
28:20
Speaker 1: the child clicker gets her in the end, but that
28:24
Speaker 1: that is a recurring theme in this and it was interesting,
28:29
Speaker 1: like her whole speech about forgiveness, like where's the justice
28:33
Speaker 1: in that? Where what was the point in that? Because
28:36
Speaker 1: she says her brother would have wanted her to forgive
28:39
Speaker 1: He told her to forget them Henry, Yes, that was
28:41
Speaker 1: his last dying wish and she didn't do it, and
28:46
Speaker 1: then that kind of goes back to the point I
28:47
Speaker 1: made that I'm definitely going to talk about in the
28:50
Speaker 1: last episode, but in the previous one, where you know,
28:53
Speaker 1: when you're kind of the things you do in the
28:56
Speaker 1: name of love that are really pretty selfish. Um, that's
29:00
Speaker 1: like we've talked about this a million times. Forgiveness is hard,
29:05
Speaker 1: it's personal, I get it, but this is like she
29:09
Speaker 1: was gonna kill those skids. It's gonna kill those kids. No,
29:15
Speaker 1: And one thing I want to touch on that makes
29:17
Speaker 1: these games so painful. So you see the scene of
29:18
Speaker 1: Ellie trying to save Henry and Sam from the clickers
29:23
Speaker 1: and then trying to save Sam from the bite to
29:27
Speaker 1: be she wanted to be like a savior or hero
29:30
Speaker 1: and then you lose anyway. That happens a lot in
29:34
Speaker 1: the games where you'll like literally spend hours trying to
29:36
Speaker 1: save somebody and then they die anyway, and it is
29:41
Speaker 1: it's like incredibly painful. But though this is like one
29:44
Speaker 1: of the key moments I think in her character, and
29:47
Speaker 1: also on the flip side, Joel is beginning to understand
29:51
Speaker 1: that he does somehow Ellie has worn him down with
29:56
Speaker 1: her questions and her persistence and her puns, and he's realizing,
30:02
Speaker 1: like when he's looking at the grave of Henry and Sam,
30:05
Speaker 1: like what would happen? He thinks that that would be
30:08
Speaker 1: them and it will ruin him if he loses her.
30:12
Speaker 1: Uh So that's a pretty big turning point in their relationship.
30:18
Speaker 1: Oh my, oh my. I did want to go over
30:34
Speaker 1: some things really quickly that I have just been happening,
30:38
Speaker 1: because again, we don't really research these so much as
30:41
Speaker 1: just we watched them together and I red I see
30:45
Speaker 1: headlines and I get text about them, emails about them sometimes. Um.
30:50
Speaker 1: I did see actress who plays Kathleen talk about body
30:54
Speaker 1: shaming she has received for knots being super thin. I
30:58
Speaker 1: suppose she has had to deal with for a while
31:02
Speaker 1: now her Emmy Award winning acting. I believe she wanted
31:06
Speaker 1: Emmy for a Yellow Jacket, which by the way, is
31:10
Speaker 1: really good if you haven't watched it. And uh, they
31:13
Speaker 1: started in on her at the very beginning and her
31:16
Speaker 1: continually having to justify why she's fine with her body,
31:21
Speaker 1: which is hilariously sad. Um. I know that's the oxymoron,
31:27
Speaker 1: but it's just so tiresome. But yeah, once again she's
31:30
Speaker 1: getting body shaming, and I believe it was by an
31:33
Speaker 1: influencer or someone famous, someone famous criticized her. I can't
31:37
Speaker 1: remember who was, and it was unnecessary. There's no there's
31:41
Speaker 1: no reason to point out any other thing outside of
31:44
Speaker 1: their acting. She was in a damn jacket in a
31:47
Speaker 1: freezing cold weather. What the hell? Right? Yeah, no need,
31:53
Speaker 1: no need at all. I did like that. The actor
31:57
Speaker 1: who plays Perry Slash, Tommy's voice actor came out and spoke,
32:02
Speaker 1: like in in camaraderie with our likely stop it's what's
32:06
Speaker 1: the reason, right right? And then I saw Bella Ramsey
32:12
Speaker 1: just sort of released a statement about the backlash some
32:17
Speaker 1: of the queer storylines have gotten and basically she was like,
32:20
Speaker 1: get over it got on her. Yeah yeah, and this
32:26
Speaker 1: happens when the game came out as well. Um, people
32:31
Speaker 1: are really a certain sect of gamers were really really
32:36
Speaker 1: mad about it. And I know we talked about it
32:39
Speaker 1: in our I think our Ellie episode. We did because
32:42
Speaker 1: Ashley Johnson, who plays Ellie, said, you know, people have
32:46
Speaker 1: come up to her and been like, I'm so glad
32:49
Speaker 1: these games exist because I don't see that very often
32:53
Speaker 1: these kind of queer storylines very often, so I'm sure
32:57
Speaker 1: we'll have more to say about that. So we're speaking
33:05
Speaker 1: of um and my my vague up next, which is
33:10
Speaker 1: so stop now if you don't want any spoilers, if
33:13
Speaker 1: you're that person who doesn't like the previews coming up, staffs, yes,
33:16
Speaker 1: because this is nothing more you'll than you'll get in
33:18
Speaker 1: the trailer. But if you are like somebody who just
33:21
Speaker 1: like not even the trailer, friends like that, I do too,
33:24
Speaker 1: do too. Number one, we're gonna get the dramatic reunion
33:28
Speaker 1: with Tommy finally, finally, m m. There's gonna be a
33:33
Speaker 1: big come to Jesus moment and I won't say anymore
33:35
Speaker 1: about it, but there will be a big one, and
33:37
Speaker 1: there will also be a pretty big cliffingler. I think
33:40
Speaker 1: I can, but I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a cliffinger. Yeah. So,
33:46
Speaker 1: and I need to know from the listeners who actually
33:48
Speaker 1: watched on Friday and who waited until Sunday. Yeah, it
33:53
Speaker 1: was like, screw that football game. It was me. I
33:57
Speaker 1: watched it again. I know you did, you a whole plan.
34:02
Speaker 1: I did, and it was wonderful and glorious. Also, we
34:07
Speaker 1: went through a work function and I took the pun
34:11
Speaker 1: book and I was kind of dressed like Ellie and
34:13
Speaker 1: I just read dressed like Ellie. What do you mean?
34:15
Speaker 1: I didn't have the whole backpack. You didn't have a backpack. Ok,
34:19
Speaker 1: there was more I could have done, um, but I
34:22
Speaker 1: was definitely reading people puns. And my favorite was our
34:24
Speaker 1: friend and co worker Alex kept coming up to me
34:26
Speaker 1: randomly and was like, give me another one, and then
34:28
Speaker 1: he wouldn't laugh at all. He would just walk away
34:30
Speaker 1: after Well, at one point he did come back and say, Okay,
34:33
Speaker 1: that was a bad one. We do yes, which is
34:36
Speaker 1: how the game is. That's exactly how it works in
34:38
Speaker 1: the game. UM. Yes, Well, I'm very very excited. It's
34:44
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34:48
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