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River Stewardship & Outdoor Leadership with Angie Braley | Go Wildly Podcast · Go Wildly Podcast

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  It's a little dark. We're about to go out into the
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  sun. Yes, hello.
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  OK, today on Go Wildly we are super excited to be joined and
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  floating with Angie Braley. That's her.
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  Angie is an anthropologist, a river guide, and a conservation
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  professional whose work sits right at the confluence of
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  people, rivers, and community. She works as a training
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  specialist with the Society of Outdoor Recreation Professionals
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  and runs Detour Consulting, where she helps organizations
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  and communities build outdoor programs, steward rivers, and
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  collaborate on conservation projects.
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  Her connection to rivers runs deep, from guiding trips on Wild
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  and Scenic rivers to supporting river protection efforts across
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  the US and Latin America. Here in Southern Oregon, Angie
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  also founded the Applegate Paddling Club, helping grow a
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  local paddling community built around stewardship, education,
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  and simply getting more people out on the water.
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  Angie holds a master's degree in anthropology and sustainable
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  development from Colorado State University, and her work has
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  been recognized by groups like the National Geographic Society
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  and the US Forest Service, including the 2024 Forest
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  Service Award for Outstanding Support to the Wild and Scenic
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  Rivers Program. And she lives here in Southern
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  Oregon. What about us?
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  These days, you'll find her based in Rouge, where?
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  Usually somewhere near a river, chasing the next paddle,
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  spending the time with her husband and their black lab, or
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  on the hunt for the perfect Taco.
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  We are, we are so excited to be joined by with Angie today.
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  Both Heather and I know her privately in our personal lives,
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  and we're going to be talking about Rivers Community and what
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  it means to care for the places that connect us.
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  Whoop, whoop, where are we at? We are just under the Highway
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  199 bridge on the Applegate River, and we are going to be
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  floating from here to through the confluence of the Applegate
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  and the Rogue to White Horse Park on the Rogue River.
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  So we're going to get two rivers one day.
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  All with Angie, Yeah. Let's do it.
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  We're going to be in three boats, three boats, two rivers
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  one day. Two boats, three boats.
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  Three boats. Three boats.
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  Two rivers, Three people. Three people.
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  OK, one day. Uno mas, let's go.
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  All right. Why did I?
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  I don't know. Well, I was going to put in my
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  boat. Put your boat in the water and
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  then hand you back the camera and I can help a little bit with
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  my one hand. This is.
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  Good. Oh.
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  Well, Hard Rock. Hard Rock.
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  Yeah, it's a good one. Maybe it'll.
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  That's a good sign when you find it right away.
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  Get in there. Oh yeah, get a.
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  Pony in there, the water is cold.
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  It's cold as fuck dude. Feels good.
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  Yeah, I'm spicy today. She's a spicy enchilada.
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  Heather's going paddling. Fuck.
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  OK, well just hold it while I get my boat.
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  This is going to be interesting, I'm not going to lie.
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  This is going to be interesting in the beginning.
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  OK, I actually might to get past this.
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  I'm going to turn it off for a minute.
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  OK, we'll catch you in just a moment.
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  Show them what it is. Well, it's not that big of a
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  deal, but it is when you're holding it.
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  When you're on the camera, see. There's just a wait.
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  No baby whitewater. OK, I'll be right back.
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  with us. Now let's go wildly together.
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  That'd. Be so fun.
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  Yeah, buddy. Oh, this might be what's up.
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  Are you going to get us together?
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  I can get us together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Do you have that little strap on you?
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  I do. You have that little strap on?
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  I do. Just a wit old guy, hope you
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  don't mind. It's not the size, it's the
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  motion, right? No, it's the size.
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  Let's. Be honest.
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  Oops, I just hit something when I hit.
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  OK, I have another strap too if we need.
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  Cool. Sweet, get a little moist.
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  You want to be in the front or. In the middle, yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah, if I have this so I can
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  get all of us chit chatting away, there we go.
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  And I'm going to be the one without a pat.
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  Like if I I can't really paddle. Well, then yeah, you should be
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  in the middle. OK, we want to be 3 three ways,
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  three side by side or end to end.
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  Whatever's camera. I almost want to see if I can do
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  one of these. This is the first time we're
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  doing it like this, so we're just going to.
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  Working it out. See.
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  This. I can kind of get.
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  Just you. Well, I'm trying to.
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  This is longer than my arm could get though.
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  True, but you can move it around when it's on your arm.
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  I could do, I could go like this and then we could be look at.
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  I couldn't see how it's shooting.
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  Uh huh, Uh huh. Help me with that.
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  Help me, mom. This is a fun new, fun new
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  challenge. Works for would.
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  It be better for me to go. There's water on it right here.
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  I need GoPro for this. I mean most mostly we need Angie
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  in the in the. Shots.
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  So I was thinking if we could go, Angie should come right here
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  on the other side of me and I should be on the like this and
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  you she should be right here. OK, let's try that.
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  Yeah, that'll be a little bit. I want to do 1.
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  Oh yeah, could just be here through however, or I even have
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  and then if you need to like. Quick release, yeah.
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  Yeah, that'll be good actually, because then I'll, I don't have
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  to do that. I can just do this.
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  Yeah, yeah. Sweet.
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  It'll work. I trust us.
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  I'm just mostly going to get you anyway.
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  Yeah, we don't need us. No, it's mostly about Angie.
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  It's about Angie. Oh boy.
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  So. Hotter.
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  Spotlight on you, baby. OK, hold on.
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  Let me. That was probably really fun. 6
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  minutes this. Is going to be so cool the most
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  most unique shoot we've ever done all right.
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  Yes, that's actually some good POV.
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  Yeah, Oh yeah. That is show the camera.
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  Show the camera what we did. All right, I don't know if you
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  can see it. OK, I could.
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  Or I'll teach you how to splice that shit in.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll need to.
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  I'm going to trade you paddles so I have a longer reach.
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  That's a good call. And you can do things.
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  Skippy. Skippity.
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  OK, Angie. Thanks.
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  Yeah, finally, we've been trying to get Angie scheduled for since
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  early in our first season. Angie was one of the very first
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  people I reached out to and things just life just kept life
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  in and. We're here now.
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  We're here now. Meant to be.
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  All right, Angie, Tell us who you are, where you came from and
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  why you're here. Well, so I'm Angie Bailey.
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  Let's see. I grew up moving around the
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  West. My dad worked for a mining
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  company and so we moved to small town.
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  Small town in the in the West. What?
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  Kind of mining. You know, he was an accountant
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  for the mining companies. So a few different types of
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  mines, but he wasn't like in the mines.
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  And then ended up in Arizona for middle and high school.
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  And I was really into soccer growing up.
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  Didn't actually spend too much time like outdoors except for
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  one. Of my butt is going to get
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  bounced. Except for going camping with my
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  family and we're through. Yes.
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  But let's see. Soccer and camping.
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  Soccer and camp and growing up and then when I went to college
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  at Northern Arizona University I really started exploring the
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  outdoors a bunch more. Did my first ever river trip
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  with the NAU outdoors class, intro to multi day river guiding
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  cool and did 9 days on the San Juan River.
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  Wow. Which is pretty cool. 1st.
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  River trip ever. Yeah.
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  What? Was that like?
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  It was awesome, except when I got done I was like, I don't
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  know, this is kind of like hard. I don't know if I'd ever really
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  want to be a guide, but I made a lot of friends who did river
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  stuff. And so I thought, well, like,
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  maybe I'll just keep doing private river trips.
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  And then I pulled a Grand Canyon permit, one of my first ever
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  permits that I pulled. And I was like, you know what, I
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  should actually probably know a little bit more than I do for
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  going down the Grand Canyon. And so I ended up going and
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  being a raft guide and thought I was just going to do it for one
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  summer. Just kind of learned the safety
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  stuff, learned the ropes and ended up doing it for almost 10
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  years. Wow it.
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  Hooked you all with one company? No, it bounced around.
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  Moved around, started in Utah on the Green River, cool.
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  And then came out to the Rogue. Worked with a couple different
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  companies on the Rogue as well. So, but yeah, that Grand Canyon
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  trip, we're like just preparing for it was like kind of like a
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  big moment in my life. Not only was I getting to go
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  downriver with like a bunch of my best friends.
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  And for a long amount of time. For a long we did 20-6 days in
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  the Canyon and and so after that it was more just, I don't know,
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  it was like the ball that or the motion that started with the
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  ball rolling or however that saying goes.
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  How many years were you in when we met down at Mariel?
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  About 5. Five years in there.
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  Cool. Just out of curiosity.
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  Yeah. And I think we met pre pre river
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  guide life. I think so.
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  How long have we known each other?
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  That's a good question. When did we make count that
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  well? I met Anna in 2011.
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  It was probably right around then.
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  Yeah, well. Yeah, we've known each other a
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  long time. I know, that's so cool and.
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  Yeah, we've only done 1 river trip together before today.
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  That is true. I know.
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  We'll change that. Yes, we will.
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  We will. Yeah.
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  How did you find out about the Rogue?
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  How did you make your way to Southern Oregon?
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  So after I got done guiding my first season on the green, a
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  bunch of the river guides were like, hey, one of us got a rogue
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  permit and we just like finished packing up the warehouse and
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  they're like, you want to go on the rogue.
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  And I was like, sure, I've never been to Oregon and got out here.
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  And I was like, wow, it's so green.
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  Just kind of funny because it's even more green like Northern
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  Oregon. But I thought it was awesome,
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  fell in love with the area and still hadn't even gone on that
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  Grand Canyon trip yet. OK, cool.
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  And so came out here and did that river trip or the Rogue for
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  my first time and then went back to the Grand Canyon and then
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  right after that moved back to Oregon.
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  And it was just like, it's just so much to do out here.
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  So many rivers, the ocean, I don't know.
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  It was, it was awesome. There's an abundance here, yes.
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  It's the place to be. And then I tried to get like a
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  real job life job somewhere in the area and I ended up working
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  at the Department of Health and Human Services in Crescent City
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  for about a year and a half. Wow.
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  And then was like, I'm not made for a cubicle.
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  Yeah. So wanted to get back outside
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  and went back to to river gating after that.
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  It's always there when you need it.
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  So. And when you know what you're
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  doing, they want you back. Yeah, yeah.
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  And it was, that's when I started working on the Rogue as
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  a guide then. So yeah, it was meant to be
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  meant. To be, yeah, I love that.
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  And I saw the fun spot for Crescent City, you know, after
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  you lived there for a year and a half and make friends and to
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  people in the community. So I still like to go out there.
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  Yeah, I was going to say, now you got like somebody to stay
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  with down at the coast. Right.
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  That's always nice, yeah, have someone to do things with.
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  And not that there's a lack of like, people around, but it's
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  always just nice to have friends and places.
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  You know, high places, low places, wet places.
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  Dry. Places.
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  All the places. All the places.
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  Are your parents still in Arizona?
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  My mom is, yeah, she still is in the Phoenix area, still go down
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  and visit my brother. My nieces are down there as
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  well. My dad passed away about 10
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  years ago and so he's in South Dakota but.
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  Yeah, it's cold there. Yeah, it is cold at times, Yeah.
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  So yeah, it's, it's fun to go down there and visit to go down
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  and did like a pretty cool paddle trip last time I was in
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  Arizona on one of the lakes. Paddled out with some with a
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  friend and camped for a couple of nights and explored like kind
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  of like little slot canyons along the lake.
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  So. Nau The the people that you got
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  to then go and do the Grand Canyon trip with were those
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  friends that you made through NAU or.
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  Some of them. How do without like having river
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  experience but then you get to go on a Grand Canyon trip with
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  some of your best friends. Like how does that friendship
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  collision start? Happen.
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  You know, it was a combo of some friends I met through college,
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  but a lot of them were actually friends that I met in high
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  school. Cool.
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  Yeah, have a pretty solid group of girlfriends.
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  There's eleven of us that all graduated together and we all
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  still adventure and hang out together.
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  We do like a once a month Zoom call.
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  So special. Yeah, it's a pretty special
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  group of. Friends wow, I've always yearned
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  for hell yeah connect like group connection like that.
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  I've always felt like I have lots of friends in lots of
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  different groups, but nothing that's really like.
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  All of us are like the ride or die, Yeah crew.
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  We're formulating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It's building. Yeah.
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  It's like finally in my 30s, like, hey, finding, finding the
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  people. Right.
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  Yeah. I've always, I've always admired
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  that kind of group cohesion and but like you all have things in
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  common and. Cherry things and interest,
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  we're all so different too, you know, and that's what's kind of
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  cool is we all celebrate each. Other's we go the right way
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  guys. Differences.
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  We will find out. Might get a little, we'll just
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  narrow. Just can't win then.
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  I think so. I think so.
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  We're on an adventure. Oh my.
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  God I thought that was a real dude on a.
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  Horse So we found our horse people.
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  Yeah, yeah. OK, I think we.
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  Got it. I think we got it, yeah.
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  Well, we traverse the river. I'll try to help you too, Emily.
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  I keep trying. To move in there, we got it, We
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  got it. We go over this little bit of a
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  rock. Yeah.
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  We probably should have done that Channel.
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  We're by boating while I'm scenic, baby.
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  With all the red equipment too well.
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  That's the beauty of Southern Oregon.
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  Sometimes you just don't need equipment.
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  Like we have the know how. Yeah, we got it up here.
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  Yeah. We have fine know how Heather
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  has the anxiety. He's.
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  Doing great. We got together.
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  Heather's doing great. We're just going to go down
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  this. For anybody who's listening just
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  on a podcast app and not watching on YouTube or Spotify
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  video, you sure are missing out on on the real footage here
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  because we are paddling the river and it's a freaking
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  gorgeous. Day.
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  It's such a nice day. Just beautiful wow.
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  For spacious skies, for amber waves, grain OK.
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  How and why did you leave River Guiding?
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  You know, it was a hard decision.
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  I love it. I probably would do it forever.
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  But it was starting to take a toll on my body, my wrists, my
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  shoulders, and I determined that I wanted to be able to run
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  rivers for all the rest of my years.
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  And so maybe not doing it all day every single day of the
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  summer would be a better way to to make sure I can't do that
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  forever. And then also like, not going to
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  lie, it's not easy to live on a river guide wage, right?
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  Lucrative. So yeah, I was like, you know,
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  what else could I do? I did some work kind of bopping
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  around for different non profits locally, worked with like Siski
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  Field Institute for a while. And then when COVID hit, it's
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  kind of like, all right, everything's changing now.
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  Now what I ended up getting a job with River Management
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  Society, which is like a national organization helping do
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  some river conservation and got to do it from working from home
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  in the Applegate here. So that was pretty nice.
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  And then after that, you know, I essentially just kind of kept
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  finding opportunities to get into the current role I'm at,
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  which is I'm part time with the Society of Outdoor Recreation
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  Professionals or SORP. And then I also have kind of
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  like my own consulting thing going on right now too, which
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  wasn't necessarily something that I was like seeking to do.
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  I just happened to be in like the right place at the right
• 24:46
  time. And people started being like,
• 24:49
  hey, we could use Someone Like You to help us out.
• 24:52
  And I'm like, hey. You can.
• 24:54
  What's that look like you're consulting?
• 24:57
  So it's it's kind of where whatever people need in a way as
• 25:05
  far as like helping with organizational or like company
• 25:13
  management, project management type stuff.
• 25:16
  So for any kind of company or just outdoor recreation
• 25:20
  companies. Outdoor rec.
• 25:21
  I've also got a client that does utility education outreach.
• 25:29
  It's kind of a unique thing. So like if you ever see like a
• 25:31
  brochure, like don't climb a power line, they produce that
• 25:36
  kind of information for power companies and then brand it for
• 25:39
  the power companies and their their own branding.
• 25:43
  That is very unique. Yeah, it's like that one, I just
• 25:46
  happened to be in San Francisco at a restaurant and someone was
• 25:50
  like, you know what, I could use Someone Like You for my company.
• 25:52
  And I was like, hey, well then call me.
• 25:54
  Yeah, you can use me. So yeah.
• 26:00
  And then I also do like marketing and like web stuff for
• 26:06
  the Global River Protection Coalition.
• 26:09
  That's kind of like a volunteer role right now, but really cool
• 26:15
  group of people from delegates from all over the country or the
• 26:18
  world representing different countries for river protections
• 26:25
  worldwide. And so help out with like, yeah,
• 26:29
  marketing, promotion of stuff, website stuff.
• 26:36
  Another little Really, there is a Little Rock.
• 26:38
  Right here. Oh, that's a big rock.
• 26:40
  We don't want to hit there. We missed that wee.
• 26:51
  Wee that looks like an old boat. Oh yeah.
• 26:58
  Oh, just saw fish jump. Oh, apparently there's ton in
• 27:02
  here right now. Good, it's not a guy.
• 27:05
  If that guy asks us again, we can say we caught 1 fish with
• 27:09
  our eyes. Just are you doing stuff?
• 27:19
  Some mushroom things. I was doing like growing gourmet
• 27:24
  mushrooms for farmers markets, which is really cool you.
• 27:28
  Still doing that work. Not anymore really.
• 27:31
  I just found out that like I am a puzzled person.
• 27:35
  I like, I like to solve problems.
• 27:38
  And it was a little too like mundane for me.
• 27:42
  It was kind of the same thing every day, the same formula
• 27:46
  stuff. And once I had kind of cracked
• 27:49
  that, I was like, hey, what's next, you know?
• 27:53
  I get like that too. Also, a lot of people, it's kind
• 27:57
  of an interesting thing is like there's a lot of research out
• 28:00
  there around how anywhere that was a former British colony
• 28:04
  tends to be very micophobic or scared of mushrooms as a culture
• 28:08
  really. And.
• 28:09
  What's the correlation there? You know, it's kind of just like
• 28:13
  around this notion of toadstools and like, yeah.
• 28:19
  Lucinogens. Not just like that, they'll
• 28:22
  poison you, except a lot of like former British, like the United
• 28:26
  States, like people tend to be like who don't touch that.
• 28:30
  That can make you sick. And you can't actually get sick
• 28:33
  from a mushroom by just touching it.
• 28:36
  But when I was trying to sell mushrooms at the farmers
• 28:40
  markets, I would probably like sell 110th of like how many
• 28:47
  people took photos of them. Oh, people were like, oh, those
• 28:49
  are beautiful. But I don't eat them or I won't
• 28:51
  touch them or I just don't like them, you know?
• 28:53
  And so it's, it's odd. I was like, man, I should just
• 28:56
  do like $5 for a photo but. That is a little odd.
• 29:04
  Yeah, I'm. Really curious about that, I've
• 29:05
  never heard that and I want to know more.
• 29:07
  About that, I know it's a different flavour, like it's,
• 29:10
  you know, I love the flavour of mushrooms.
• 29:12
  Yeah, I don't know why, but. I get to.
• 29:15
  Yeah, flavour, texture, there's so much variety there.
• 29:20
  And now easily grown, easily foraged, really good for your
• 29:23
  health and your brain and your digestion and like your kind of
• 29:29
  a super food. I think that they're gaining
• 29:31
  more popularity right now because of all those extra like
• 29:34
  benefits and stuff too. But what was your favorite
• 29:38
  mushroom to grow? I like your favorite to eat,
• 29:42
  maybe that. Namiko's are one of my favorite.
• 29:45
  They're kind of like smaller brown and they have like a
• 29:47
  really nutty flavour to them. And if you saute them up with
• 29:51
  some butter and like slivered almonds, they're even nuttier
• 29:55
  and really good. Yeah, that's not a great, but
• 29:58
  really any, any kind of type of. Good.
• 30:00
  Yeah, any kind. It's really good.
• 30:03
  All mushrooms win. I want to know more about SORP.
• 30:08
  Yeah. Especially because both, as we
• 30:11
  talked about in the car, Heather and I are both in like outdoor.
• 30:15
  Well, the podcast is essentially about outdoor recreation and
• 30:20
  outdoor recreation professionals.
• 30:22
  And we both have avenues in our life directing us towards even
• 30:27
  furthering our outdoor recreation professionalism.
• 30:30
  So tell us about this society that we could maybe be part of.
• 30:34
  Yeah. So it's a member based
• 30:36
  organization that is nationwide and the real purpose of it is to
• 30:43
  support people who plan, manage, who plan and manage outdoor
• 30:50
  recreation and also like help balance like outdoor recreation
• 30:57
  with protecting natural and cultural resources well.
• 30:59
  Hell yeah. So like, I don't know, that's
• 31:02
  like a bunch of like big dragony words, but I like to think of
• 31:05
  like, do you think about like all like like a crowded National
• 31:13
  Park, you know, and trying to help the people who manage the
• 31:16
  National Park figure out like maybe we should, let's see,
• 31:25
  maybe it's like really crowded during certain times of the
• 31:28
  year. Are there ways that we can
• 31:30
  disperse the crowds? Usually they say through like
• 31:34
  engineering, education or enforcement, but that's usually
• 31:39
  like the last one that you want to get to.
• 31:41
  And so it's kind of just that's like 1 aspect.
• 31:47
  We also deal with. I do like, coordinate trainings
• 31:51
  around how welcoming and inclusive and outdoor space
• 31:55
  might be from like everything to like, is there a graffiti all
• 32:03
  over? Or like, is the trail wide
• 32:07
  enough for a person who, yeah, uses an adaptive bike to go, you
• 32:12
  know, is there a gate that's blocking clean bathrooms?
• 32:17
  Yep. So a lot of the people that I
• 32:20
  work with are staff of the Forest Service or the Park
• 32:25
  Service, also like State Park agencies, local agencies, kind
• 32:33
  of all different levels and trying to, yeah, provide support
• 32:39
  and training however I can as the training specialist.
• 32:43
  We also have like communities of practice for people who are
• 32:46
  trying to deal with similar issues.
• 32:48
  We also provide, like, all sorts of library and resources.
• 32:54
  We've got our own podcast called Planning the Wild in the studio.
• 33:01
  It's indoors, indoors, indoors. Yeah.
• 33:05
  So nothing. Wrong with that.
• 33:06
  No. And so it's a really cool job.
• 33:09
  I get to like meet people all over the country or doing
• 33:11
  outdoor recreation and like have some really innovative ideas for
• 33:16
  how to continue to provide access to these opportunities
• 33:21
  while also, like I said, like not destroying the environment.
• 33:25
  Not over developing destroy. Yeah, yeah, Than anything being
• 33:29
  like stewards of it and you know, like for taking good care
• 33:33
  of it. Yeah, keeping it littering clean
• 33:36
  and not bought out by big pharma or.
• 33:41
  Great. Selling off public lands.
• 33:45
  We're going left. OK, Yeah.
• 33:48
  Yeah, there's no getting right. You know, not at this point.
• 33:51
  Not at this point. Not without a lot of back
• 33:52
  paddling. But yeah, it's cool.
• 33:58
  It's, you know, it's funny because I never, when I was
• 34:03
  growing up, I never knew that being like a recreation planner
• 34:07
  was a job that you did have, right.
• 34:10
  And so, like, wish that, you know, we knew more about it and,
• 34:15
  like, back you up, Heather. We do have a couple rocks in
• 34:19
  there. There are a.
• 34:20
  Couple rocks, Yeah, not a bad idea.
• 34:26
  Oh, like this one right in the middle?
• 34:27
  Yeah. Oh.
• 34:32
  Oh, fuck. Oh, good.
• 34:34
  You got it. You got it.
• 34:37
  Yeah. Heather.
• 34:38
  Yeah, yeah. Sorry guys, I got none of that
• 34:46
  because there is a big. Rock.
• 34:48
  Yeah. But.
• 34:52
  I got 1. Don't keep your.
• 34:56
  Eyes off the prize, first dog. That's a little rocky, not going
• 35:06
  to lie. I think I lost one of the little
• 35:09
  one of the little straps. No, I got it.
• 35:12
  I was going to grab you and it's pull you backwards.
• 35:16
  I got a strap. Well, there were there were two.
• 35:19
  I think there might only be one now unless you grab the little
• 35:21
  little one. That's fine, I got another one
• 35:24
  too. OK.
• 35:26
  Sacrifice to the river gods, that was that was smart to a.
• 35:30
  Good call bro. Yeah, I would have went right
• 35:34
  over and off and the the camera was like this.
• 35:39
  Yeah, I was trying to keep it so I didn't go in the drink and
• 35:45
  there is some water we might need to rice this bad boy when
• 35:47
  we get. Sorry guys.
• 35:53
  So Applegate might not be good. Well, maybe just a bigger boat.
• 36:01
  Could a bigger boat make it? Yeah, what about like, we could
• 36:04
  all fit, We could all like. In a little cat got.
• 36:06
  All cute together on one of my little cats.
• 36:09
  OK. I'll let you guys stay together
• 36:14
  there. Well, that was fun.
• 36:15
  Where were we? It was.
• 36:15
  Super fun. Let's see.
• 36:19
  Yeah, SARP. That sounds cool.
• 36:21
  Yeah, SARP. Yeah, it's cool.
• 36:23
  It's cool organization doing some really cool, some really
• 36:28
  cool work to support outdoor professionals.
• 36:31
  Like I was saying, like a recreation planner.
• 36:33
  I didn't even know that you could have that job right and.
• 36:35
  Like what is? What is that like?
• 36:38
  So a lot of agencies have like, for example, especially the
• 36:42
  federal Land Management agencies like the Forest Service and the
• 36:46
  Bureau of Land Management Park Service, they have jobs where
• 36:50
  you're a recreation planner and so you work maybe like in a
• 36:57
  forest unit where you're not only like helping figure out
• 37:03
  where do we put the trash cans, but the trails, What does the
• 37:05
  parking look like? Is it a river stretch?
• 37:09
  Do we need to put in river access?
• 37:10
  What does that look like? Are we going to permit it?
• 37:12
  Are we not finding out? What are the activities that are
• 37:16
  going to happen here and how do people use it and access it and
• 37:21
  also thinking about like. Things that don't even exist yet
• 37:25
  because a lot of times they'll like write plans that are than
• 37:28
  in place for 10 years. It was actually just at this
• 37:33
  conference and someone had a robot dog and was posing the
• 37:37
  question like, should robot dogs be allowed on sidewalks?
• 37:43
  And kind of just getting to this whole idea of like, there's
• 37:46
  things that we haven't even thought of yet or like drones
• 37:49
  that can carry people through a Canyon, you know, like oof,
• 37:53
  like, you know, and the. Presence of drones in general.
• 37:56
  Right. That's been a big change, yeah,
• 37:58
  in the last 10 years. So it's people thinking about
• 38:03
  that and then, yeah, you're like helping plan recreation
• 38:09
  opportunities and provide access to them and things like that.
• 38:12
  So it's not necessarily like being a guide and taking people
• 38:16
  downriver, but it's a lot of times the people who manage the
• 38:19
  trails or the climbing areas or the rivers or wherever you're
• 38:26
  at. That's really interesting, yeah.
• 38:30
  It makes sense that that would be a thing though, yeah.
• 38:33
  You know, because like you do need some logistics around if
• 38:37
  things start to get packed and how how do you make manage the
• 38:39
  flow of things. So that makes sense for like in
• 38:43
  big parks and big. National and even small parks
• 38:47
  like how do we bring more people to an area that is essentially
• 38:52
  underutilized, right? That is an established space for
• 38:56
  recreation, but people either aren't using it for the assumed
• 39:00
  recreation activities or just aren't using it at all.
• 39:04
  How do we make these spaces more inviting, accessible, enticing
• 39:09
  like? The fly fishing pond, Yeah,
• 39:12
  stupid fly fishing pond. And everybody wants it to be a
• 39:17
  pump Jack. We're getting a pump track
• 39:19
  people, don't worry. That's been the.
• 39:22
  Our local our. Local drama city.
• 39:25
  Of grand past drama. Yeah, yeah, Like how do we, how
• 39:30
  do we get people excited to recreate?
• 39:33
  Right, you know, and I think there's like definitely like a
• 39:43
  culture around it. And I would say sometimes the
• 39:45
  outdoorsy culture hasn't always been the most inclusive culture.
• 39:49
  You know, there's kind of like barriers to entry to like buy
• 39:51
  gear and like have the know how they're not being raised in a
• 39:56
  family who did it or something like that.
• 39:59
  And so I think there's a lot of work being done too to also kind
• 40:06
  of change that, especially like. Yeah, like I, I don't know, like
• 40:19
  diversifying whitewater, diversify whitewater.
• 40:22
  Great group that's doing stuff to get all different types of
• 40:26
  people out on the water or there's similar things going on
• 40:30
  in snow sports. You know, it's, I think that's
• 40:35
  part of it is like getting more people out recreating.
• 40:38
  Also like the way that our recreation areas have been set
• 40:42
  up. Like for example, a lot of the
• 40:47
  design that came out of the 1960s was for like the family
• 40:51
  that's going to go on a road trip across the country.
• 40:54
  But not all families are just like 4 people, you know?
• 40:58
  And so there's some research out there, like a lot of Latinos
• 41:04
  that are outside in the parks are often there with like multi
• 41:08
  generational families. And it wouldn't it be cool if
• 41:11
  the picnic tables all moved so that they could like, have them
• 41:13
  next to each other instead of like one over here and one over
• 41:16
  there. And so starting to think about
• 41:17
  like how we're not only like designing these spaces, but ways
• 41:23
  to just make them more adaptable for people to know some.
• 41:28
  That's so important. Yeah.
• 41:31
  Yeah. To arrive to a space and say, Oh
• 41:33
  yeah, we can, we can be here. That it's not already
• 41:37
  restrictive just by like prior planning or absent mindedness.
• 41:43
  It's not considering the breadth of people that want to have
• 41:47
  access to a space. Yep, totally.
• 41:49
  But how do we like all these things, all these adaptations
• 41:53
  and all these corrections of the past cost money, right?
• 41:57
  And they require people to to have that broad thinking and
• 42:04
  experience and insight. Where do we, where do, how do
• 42:09
  we, where do we get that? That's a good question.
• 42:14
  How do we? How do we?
• 42:15
  Reach these. Kids, it sounds like it's like a
• 42:18
  cohort, right? Like just groups of people
• 42:20
  getting together to, you know, start the conversation and then
• 42:24
  take the first actionable steps. Yeah, and.
• 42:28
  Keeps that I don't know. Keep the conversation going.
• 42:31
  Communities of like practice, like there's often times where
• 42:33
  I'll get together with other people who are doing similar
• 42:35
  work, but maybe like in Vermont or Colorado, you're like, hey,
• 42:39
  this is what's working here. Or even like outside of your
• 42:45
  like discipline or your sport or your recreation topics.
• 42:50
  So for example, with the Applegate Paddling Club, I've
• 42:56
  been like taking some ideas from the Rogue Valley hang glider and
• 43:01
  paraglider association. They did something really cool
• 43:05
  with like different. I want to say it was like flags.
• 43:09
  Don't quote me on this, where they had these flags available
• 43:15
  for local property owners to put up in their yard is like, yes,
• 43:18
  this is like an emergency land spot.
• 43:20
  You're welcome to land here. Do.
• 43:22
  You want me to do you want me to take the camera?
• 43:24
  Do you feel more comfortable? Yeah, I'll stick it in my life
• 43:26
  jacket. OK, OK.
• 43:28
  Wait, we might pause for a moment, guys.
• 43:30
  This is the last one. This is the confluence OK, I
• 43:35
  think. Hopefully.
• 43:37
  Did we go by the big Eddie? No, not yet.
• 43:40
  OK, then maybe this. I feel like this has got to be
• 43:43
  the confluence. Oh.
• 43:48
  Did I do it? Shit.
• 44:04
  OK, yeah, rocks. See that I We just need to get
• 44:09
  around the fucking. Rocks.
• 44:13
  You're good. This is Emily's.
• 44:20
  POV. I got another POV on me.
• 44:27
  Hell to the yeah. This is what's up.
• 44:50
  You fucker. I just got so wet my face.
• 45:07
  That was awesome. That was cool.
• 45:09
  I can get it. Angie's just canoeing back
• 45:12
  there. Well, that was not the
• 45:18
  confidence. Obviously I know where I am.
• 45:22
  I know what I'm doing. This is a good angle, yeah.
• 45:30
  Angle of the dangle. This is actually really fun.
• 45:34
  I wish we were like having to manage the camera equipment
• 45:39
  because I want to come back. And do this stretch.
• 45:42
  Yeah, just for fun too. Cool spot.
• 45:47
  Sounds like there might be another corner.
• 45:55
  I mean, this is when we first came up with the concept of this
• 45:59
  podcast. This was a big part of what we
• 46:02
  saw ourselves doing, yes, Going out on an adventure with someone
• 46:07
  and feeling good experience and taking people on an immersive
• 46:13
  outdoor. That's right.
• 46:15
  Adventure, yeah. Paddle with us.
• 46:24
  Just a whittle. Something I think this one is
• 46:26
  there's like some bedrock like shallow.
• 46:28
  Shallow. Rock that makes it sound.
• 46:31
  Yeah. Sound a little bit more violent
• 46:33
  than it is. Not that it's like too sharp,
• 46:37
  but like, I don't know, I just was trying to manage that
• 46:41
  camera. Yeah.
• 46:42
  Oh yeah, totally. And then also like while I am on
• 46:49
  the river, not as much as I'm sure you guys.
• 46:52
  You're right, right. It's like, I know how to ride a
• 46:56
  bike, but I'm not doing this kind of baking I'm sure that
• 47:00
  you're doing. So you once again, if you're
• 47:14
  only listening on on a podcast app and you're not watching the
• 47:19
  video that we are filming while we go on, there's a big.
• 47:23
  Rocker here and right here. You are missing out.
• 47:26
  Oh my God. Yeah.
• 47:35
  We are taking the. Waves.
• 47:52
  There's another one up here, guys.
• 47:55
  What's that? I mean, I'm going to take this
• 48:02
  way. Did the Applegate see some good
• 48:21
  high water? Couple weeks ago, yeah.
• 48:24
  Oh yeah, it did. It got up to 3000 CFS down here.
• 48:29
  OK. It's about 300 today.
• 48:54
  Oh my gosh, that was, that was funny.
• 48:58
  I'm glad I took that way. Yeah, it was a little crazier, a
• 49:02
  little extra. Spicy over there.
• 49:04
  It was a. Little spicy for.
• 49:05
  Sure. Well, thanks for tuning in, you
• 49:13
  guys. This is the Go Wildly podcast,
• 49:16
  going through active Rapids and not being together to chit chat.
• 49:22
  So I thought I'd put in a little break, ski right here and say,
• 49:25
  are you subscribed to the podcast?
• 49:28
  Have you given this episode 5 stars?
• 49:33
  I mean, if you want to, you can give it five stars.
• 49:35
  If you don't, then that's your own prerogative.
• 49:37
  We can still be friends. I'm friends with everybody and
• 49:41
  share this with a friend. Yes, Share this podcast with a.
• 49:46
  Friend. That's how this little fun
• 49:50
  passion project pod grows is if you share it with a homie.
• 49:55
  So do that. Give us likes, give us comments,
• 49:57
  follow us on Instagram. If you haven't done that yet.
• 50:00
  We do some really fun behind the scenes stuff there and yeah, I
• 50:06
  think we're getting ready to glom up together again and chat
• 50:11
  more with Angie. Whose?
• 50:12
  Castle. Is that up there?
• 50:14
  Right it. Looks like the Getty Museum.
• 50:20
  That is a that looks like an earthship kinda.
• 50:25
  It's a little out of the ground, it looks like.
• 50:28
  It looks a little. Out of the ground, but like that
• 50:30
  is a wow, that's a that's quite the.
• 50:35
  I know when I go down the Applegate, I'm always like, oh,
• 50:37
  look at that person's porch. Look at that house.
• 50:41
  That's how I feel like when I'm floating the Deschutes up by
• 50:44
  Lapine, like Lapine State Park. It's such a fun booze cruise.
• 50:48
  But like it is, it's booze cruising and you're like, that
• 50:52
  would be sick. That would be sick.
• 50:54
  Like, did you just die? No.
• 50:57
  I heard it go put it in. Oh, did you have it turned off?
• 50:59
  No, you heard that in your head. Wow.
• 51:03
  Here's a bird. It is a bird.
• 51:06
  Bird. Yeah, maybe it was the bird
• 51:09
  anyway, yeah, I love paddle boarding the chutes for that
• 51:12
  Yeah, it's really fun, really a fun day.
• 51:16
  I remember I took my took cruise, cruise was like 4-3 or
• 51:21
  four years old and I had him strapped to the back of my stand
• 51:27
  up paddle board in a tube like a so tar mesh bottom tube.
• 51:31
  And he was just passed out the whole time like this.
• 51:34
  And he doesn't sunburn thankfully.
• 51:36
  So he didn't get sunburned, but I of course got sunburned.
• 51:39
  Anyway. It was just a really fun time
• 51:40
  and Sean got the shits so that he was not with us.
• 51:44
  I had to do it with his family. And yeah, so the in laws and
• 51:48
  myself and my and crews passed out in the so tar tube.
• 51:52
  Fun. It was a fun little day.
• 51:54
  Story. Adventure.
• 51:56
  Anyways, tell me more about this taking a play out of the
• 52:00
  paragliding. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:02
  So they have like these, like these flags that property owners
• 52:07
  can get. And it's like, you can use this
• 52:09
  as like an emergency landing zone.
• 52:11
  Oh, cool. Or absolutely under no
• 52:14
  circumstances do not land here, you know, 'cause there are
• 52:20
  people who don't want people trespassing.
• 52:23
  Yeah, like marijuana farmers. And so I was like, that's a cool
• 52:29
  idea. I wonder, you know, like with
• 52:31
  the paddling club, we've tried to make it so that we're not
• 52:35
  doing like giant group outings just to be respectful of
• 52:40
  property owners and encourage people to go in smaller groups
• 52:45
  and to be aware of like where they're at.
• 52:47
  Because there's a lot of private property on the Applegate River.
• 52:50
  And so almost having like a, like a little yard sign that
• 52:53
  people can get. And because I've had a lot of
• 52:55
  people reach out and say, hey, if there's an emergency, I want
• 52:58
  someone to feel safe that they can come up and like use the
• 53:01
  phone to call for help or. That's rad, girl.
• 53:04
  Yeah. And so I was like, hey, good
• 53:06
  idea, paragliders. And so yeah, using ideas from
• 53:12
  other people, you don't always have to create.
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  Lots of light and I was like what the fuck?
• 54:19
  And then I still. Like pitch black in the morning.
• 54:22
  Till 7:30 and then people on the old ticky tacky say they're
• 54:26
  like, what's that? Has anybody noticed?
• 54:28
  It's like we didn't just gain an hour, we gained like an hour and
• 54:32
  a half. Two hours and it's like 8:00.
• 54:34
  Still sunny already. And it's March.
• 54:37
  And or light and it's yeah. And I was like, actually.
• 54:39
  What does it mean? Yeah, they just time is a
• 54:44
  construct, they just constructed it.
• 54:47
  I mean, it really is. I thought that Oregon voted to
• 54:49
  get rid of daylight savings time.
• 54:52
  I can't do what I did. Everybody.
• 54:53
  Yeah. Well, no, what I understand is
• 54:55
  that it has to be like regional other than Arizona doesn't
• 54:59
  follow daylight savings time. So they they must have done it
• 55:02
  before it became some, yeah, other institution.
• 55:06
  There's your bird, Heather. But Oregon, Washington and
• 55:12
  California have to all agree with it.
• 55:15
  There's two baldies. Two baldies or a baldy and an
• 55:19
  osprey? Might be Osprey no?
• 55:26
  The majestic ball where your. Camera can zoom in that far.
• 55:30
  It's just beautiful blue sky out there.
• 55:31
  The majestic ball eagle. The Haleidas.
• 55:35
  Look Esophilus. Yeah, I think Oregon,
• 55:43
  Washington, California all have to agree to do away with
• 55:46
  daylight savings time and then the whole like Pacific Standard
• 55:51
  Time. We'll just we'll be standardized
• 55:54
  What? Time is it.
• 55:56
  It's 3/13. Oh, OK, well, let's paddle on
• 55:59
  all right. Yeah, let's do it.
• 56:00
  I'm glad you got to back up. Glad you got to back up.
• 56:05
  But. Still, Yep.
• 56:10
  All right, Angie, tell us some crazy stories.
• 56:12
  Yeah, easy stories. Yeah.
• 56:17
  You know, Wildcat stories. I don't know have something
• 56:24
  spark it? Any bad flips and rescues?
• 56:38
  Yeah. Are you comfortable telling us
• 56:40
  about one particular? Yeah, I'm happy.
• 56:43
  Well, we're probably not happy about it, but.
• 56:45
  Happy to chat about it. I am very open with the my
• 56:50
  experiences of being on the river and seeing all sorts of
• 56:54
  stuff. I assume you're referring to
• 56:59
  Wildcat Rapid, yeah. Oh, I did say Wildcat, but I had
• 57:03
  no idea there was a actual yeah situation that went down.
• 57:07
  Yeah, about 10 years ago. Gosh. 10 years ago?
• 57:12
  I think so. Whoa, time.
• 57:16
  Commercial train. By Yeah.
• 57:19
  Wow, a fatality on the river, which was really sad, right?
• 57:26
  Really sad it was. Was this was was this did you
• 57:30
  guys get flighted out of? No, this has wasn't you guys.
• 57:34
  No. There was one while I was
• 57:36
  working at Mariel and the that came down at the lodge, or not
• 57:40
  in the lodge, but the ranch. OK, anyway, no, we ended up
• 57:44
  taking out at a black bar. Oh, that night the person was in
• 57:51
  an inflatable kayak and just kind of went up into the rock
• 57:55
  jumble in the middle of Wildcat and flipped and got stuck there.
• 58:01
  Took a couple different rescue trips going back to get them
• 58:06
  out. Like full trips?
• 58:10
  There's some people who went back the next day and we're not
• 58:14
  able to get him either with the gear or the circumstances.
• 58:18
  And then another group went out a couple days after that and I
• 58:24
  joined them on that. It was, I wanted to be there.
• 58:31
  It's kind of like to bring some closure because you were the
• 58:34
  trip leader on that. I was the trip leader and you
• 58:39
  know, it was, it was just like unfortunate.
• 58:41
  I don't know if there was anything that I could have done
• 58:43
  differently. When the person's in their own
• 58:46
  craft, you know, there's a little bit of risk and
• 58:49
  responsibility that you know, and you know, I say that the
• 58:53
  river doesn't care how good you think you are.
• 58:57
  The river can. I've seen the most experienced
• 58:59
  people have accidents on the river too.
• 59:02
  So sometimes shit happens, right since then, you know, it was
• 59:08
  really important to me to get back on the water.
• 59:10
  And luckily I've got a great community of friends and I was
• 59:15
  actually able to get out pretty much almost the next day.
• 59:19
  Went and did a stretch on the upper Klamath, the caldera
• 59:24
  stretch. And that was more just like I
• 59:27
  needed to get my nerves out and needed to get back on the water.
• 59:30
  I still have like a very healthy respect for water and probably
• 59:34
  take the the dry line more than some people do, but.
• 59:40
  We hear that a lot out of guides, actually.
• 59:42
  Yeah, they don't go too ham. And when you see you seen your
• 59:46
  fair share of stuff, you know, it's like, I don't want to ruin
• 59:49
  everyone else's time on the river too, by just doing
• 59:54
  something to be good Ego. And you want to be able to keep.
• 59:57
  Doing it. Yeah, exactly.
• 59:59
  Keep. Doing it.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah. So what's like protocol when
• 1:00:04
  something that crazy happens? Like so you guys obviously the
• 1:00:08
  whole trip took out and drove back.
• 1:00:11
  It was a small group so there was only 5 guests on the trip
• 1:00:15
  and they all knew each other so it was just knew the the
• 1:00:20
  deceased so it was just the right decision to make.
• 1:00:26
  Do you have any training around like consoling people, like the
• 1:00:31
  shock of it or like is how? I would say at the time like a
• 1:00:37
  wilderness first responder did not deal as much with
• 1:00:41
  psychological first aid. It is being more incorporated
• 1:00:45
  into things and there's like actually great training courses
• 1:00:48
  online. The Responder Alliance is one
• 1:00:50
  that offers webinars and all sorts of resources and support,
• 1:00:56
  especially for people who do like search and rescue or like
• 1:00:59
  ski patrol. Folks, this big one.
• 1:01:01
  That when I took my wilderness first aid course two years ago,
• 1:01:04
  there was a whole component on the psychological and the social
• 1:01:08
  and the welfare of people. And when we were doing
• 1:01:13
  scenarios, somebody was always assigned to just go talk to the
• 1:01:16
  person. Yep, keep them calm.
• 1:01:18
  And then also like go talk to the other people.
• 1:01:21
  There's just like social energy management as well as. 1st.
• 1:01:26
  Aid cuts and bruises and brakes. That's exactly it.
• 1:01:31
  And you know, like the effects of like witnessing something
• 1:01:34
  like that can have long lasting scars too.
• 1:01:38
  So it's like really important that everyone seek support and
• 1:01:43
  assistance as if, you know, as needed.
• 1:01:45
  And yeah, I would say like when that happened, one of the first
• 1:01:52
  things that we did was like, we got to make sure the group is
• 1:01:54
  OK. Like after we realized, you
• 1:01:56
  know, it had moved from like a rescue to a recovery, Let's
• 1:02:02
  like, I'll pause. Let's like make sure we're all
• 1:02:04
  OK, the group's OK and, and take care of that, you know, take
• 1:02:10
  care of those of us that are still around and make sure the
• 1:02:12
  group's good at that point. It's like not about like rushing
• 1:02:15
  to them, right? It's about making smart
• 1:02:16
  decisions and and not rash decisions just because of the
• 1:02:21
  emotions that come with being in a situation like.
• 1:02:24
  That Dang did you seek therapy or did the.
• 1:02:28
  Company provide, company provided who paid for
• 1:02:32
  counseling. So I did go yeah.
• 1:02:34
  And that was it was good. I'm everyone should go.
• 1:02:39
  Regardless of a traumatic reverse situation, therapy is
• 1:02:43
  good. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah, we had a the theme today has been mental health, it
• 1:02:49
  seems, and being proactive in mental health and stuff, so.
• 1:02:54
  Super important and like. This isn't This isn't the
• 1:02:58
  confluence. Nope, Nope, it's.
• 1:03:03
  Just around the Riverbend. I've been taking that.
• 1:03:05
  Little time. Seems yeah, seems like there
• 1:03:09
  should be a map of this river, right?
• 1:03:12
  Woo Hoo should do that. Oh yeah, so.
• 1:03:16
  Like way to it's been. Like, I just started as like a
• 1:03:19
  fun project. When I moved to the Applegate
• 1:03:22
  Valley, I was like, OK, you know, there's a river right
• 1:03:24
  here. I started going down it and was
• 1:03:27
  like, oh, does anyone else know anything about this river?
• 1:03:31
  And some found a few people who did, you know, there wasn't
• 1:03:35
  really a lot of information out there.
• 1:03:38
  And so I just thought for myself, it'd be fun to like, put
• 1:03:40
  together like a little Applegate paddling map of the different
• 1:03:43
  river access points. Again, there's so much private
• 1:03:49
  land that it's nice to like not be trespassing and then so I've
• 1:03:56
  come out with like a version one online that's
• 1:03:58
  applegatepaddlingclub.org. You can just Scroll down and see
• 1:04:02
  it little. Strainer over there on the left.
• 1:04:13
  Hold please. Another break.
• 1:04:15
  Are you subscribed to the pod? If you aren't, hit that follow
• 1:04:19
  button. Hell yeah brother.
• 1:04:25
  Like Dang, I need to just fill the fill our last time when
• 1:04:30
  we're not all together. But I'm now working on a version
• 1:04:34
  two of the map that's going to be a little bit better than just
• 1:04:37
  like a colorful squiggly line. That's awesome.
• 1:04:42
  So that will be coming out. Hopefully I'm going to have it
• 1:04:46
  ready to distribute like in May I received a small grant from a
• 1:04:53
  greater Applegate to pay for printing of it and distribute it
• 1:04:58
  out at different places. It'll also be available online
• 1:05:00
  for download. Not trying to like make any
• 1:05:03
  money off of it, I'm just trying to share information and, you
• 1:05:07
  know, provide opportunities, help educate people so that
• 1:05:13
  they're not trespassing. Right.
• 1:05:15
  And the barriers to entry, yeah, get out.
• 1:05:18
  So. And the Applegate, I mean it's
• 1:05:19
  got, it's not like quite the inner tube river that people
• 1:05:22
  think it is. I would say almost every stretch
• 1:05:25
  has some Rapids and some are pretty big depending on the
• 1:05:28
  water flow and stuff. And so I see a lot of people
• 1:05:32
  trying to inner tube and who get in trouble, maybe they're not
• 1:05:35
  wearing a life jacket or PFD or something.
• 1:05:37
  And so also just helping people understand.
• 1:05:41
  More awareness. Yeah, what they're getting into.
• 1:05:43
  Well, I tell Emily all the time, I'm like, I'm like, have you
• 1:05:46
  floated the Applegate? The first time I did the fish
• 1:05:48
  hatchery to the bridge, the 199 bridge, I was like Oh my God, a
• 1:05:52
  whole new world of floating has opened up for me.
• 1:05:55
  Like I felt like I was in a different area.
• 1:05:58
  Totally. Not my backyard, and it was
• 1:06:01
  really awesome to get another taste of what our beautiful
• 1:06:05
  region has. It was really awesome.
• 1:06:09
  That stretch too, it's almost like got like big vines and like
• 1:06:13
  I felt like I was in like Florida or Georgia or something.
• 1:06:20
  Yeah, really cool. Like really a nice something
• 1:06:26
  new, you know? Just, you know, our own backyard
• 1:06:29
  there, but. Right, Yeah, when I was like,
• 1:06:31
  oh, there's so many like river people in the Rogue Valley just
• 1:06:34
  because of. The Rogue.
• 1:06:36
  People come to guide fishing or rafting and then they stay here.
• 1:06:41
  And so I always have many rivers, right?
• 1:06:45
  And there's so many rivers. And so that's kind of how the
• 1:06:48
  paddling club was formed, was just like, oh people, you want
• 1:06:51
  to go like boating, let's go boating.
• 1:06:54
  We got a river like right here in our backyard, like that's 5
• 1:06:58
  minutes from my house to get there.
• 1:07:00
  Or I can drive an hour and get to the Rogue or something.
• 1:07:02
  But. Yeah, that's not like
• 1:07:04
  commercialized and you're not going to see many folk on the
• 1:07:08
  river, maybe more in the summer through that more wreck stretch,
• 1:07:12
  but. Does the paddling club gather on
• 1:07:15
  a regular basis? How does how do events
• 1:07:18
  activities get organized and how could somebody get?
• 1:07:22
  Connected. Involved, get involved.
• 1:07:24
  So all you gotta do is just go to the website and on it there's
• 1:07:29
  a link to our Telegram group. It's actually another idea I
• 1:07:34
  took from the Paragliders. They use it to communicate their
• 1:07:38
  club things and on there people can go on and say, hey, is
• 1:07:42
  anyone interested in going paddling this weekend?
• 1:07:47
  It's free to join and then you can get messages and you can
• 1:07:50
  kind of like click into ones. If you're interested in going
• 1:07:52
  that weekend, you can join. So it's really just trying to
• 1:07:55
  like help people plan those outings on their own.
• 1:07:59
  We've had a couple little events last September we did paddling
• 1:08:04
  and pastries at Applegate Lake. The morning they got a morning
• 1:08:08
  paddle with some Donuts. I'm.
• 1:08:09
  Down for that I'm like this close to like starting a little
• 1:08:15
  coffee and hiking club cool so where we hike and then coffee
• 1:08:19
  out at like a summit point just for connectivity and.
• 1:08:22
  Totally. It was great.
• 1:08:24
  So I love that idea and I'm down.
• 1:08:25
  I will be there. Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  And then in this coming May, on May, Saturday, May 2nd, we're
• 1:08:32
  doing an outdoor gear sale, used gear.
• 1:08:36
  So if anyone has gear that they want to sell, it's going to be
• 1:08:40
  at the upper Applegate Grange just outside of Ruch and it's
• 1:08:46
  $15.00 to get a table space. But then you sell your gear and
• 1:08:53
  keep all your profits and so. It's not a fundraiser for.
• 1:08:58
  It's going to be a fundraiser for the Upper Applegate Grange.
• 1:09:01
  We are going to have like a donation table, so if you don't
• 1:09:03
  want to sit there all day and sell gear, you can donate it to
• 1:09:06
  and anything that's sold from that table will go to them.
• 1:09:10
  They're working on doing some repairs to the building.
• 1:09:13
  Cool, am I getting a new? Floor.
• 1:09:15
  Or this way? This way.
• 1:09:22
  But it's not a paddle club fundraiser.
• 1:09:24
  We're not really trying to raise money.
• 1:09:26
  We're not an actual, like, nonprofit.
• 1:09:29
  Just just your homies. Yeah.
• 1:09:32
  Oh, boy, there we go. We'll probably have, like, some
• 1:09:42
  food for sale there as well. Maybe some music.
• 1:09:46
  I know guys. Yeah, you know, a pretty good
• 1:09:53
  musician. So that's going to be like our
• 1:10:03
  Big Spring thing. There's no that way it looked
• 1:10:06
  like it. Up into the swamp.
• 1:10:09
  Yeah, I did. It looked like you could go that
• 1:10:10
  way. Around and then I'm also working
• 1:10:18
  on. I've had a lot of people reach
• 1:10:20
  out who might be interested in like, just like getting into
• 1:10:24
  boating, like on Applegate Lake. Yeah.
• 1:10:27
  And maybe not even on a river who don't know where to start,
• 1:10:31
  What kind of kayak, like do you pedal into the wind or do you
• 1:10:34
  pedal, you know, like thinking about those types of things.
• 1:10:37
  And so I'm working on getting certified as an instructor to
• 1:10:45
  the ACA to be able to provide some classes I'm not going to be
• 1:10:48
  doing like white water kayaking classes.
• 1:10:52
  There's plenty of other people out there that I'd recommend
• 1:10:54
  over me to do that. But just some like level 1
• 1:10:58
  paddle. How to move the boat around?
• 1:11:00
  Yeah, some like basic water safety stuff.
• 1:11:03
  And so again, just trying to help more people get out there.
• 1:11:07
  And yeah, it's been really cool to get involved with the
• 1:11:11
  community too, right? It's it's very rewarding.
• 1:11:14
  I know that sounds like very cliche, but.
• 1:11:18
  That's what we're all about. Cool.
• 1:11:19
  It's cool to ground you to the place and like, well, how else
• 1:11:23
  do you feel at home than being in a place and knowing the
• 1:11:27
  people going somewhere and seeing people that you enjoy,
• 1:11:30
  that support you, that light you up and celebrate you and are
• 1:11:34
  happy to interact and happy to have you there?
• 1:11:38
  Yeah. And vice versa.
• 1:11:41
  And I feel like, yeah, I guess once again, the community is
• 1:11:44
  like, help support me in ways too.
• 1:11:45
  So it's like nice to be able to get back.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah, You're giving something that they want and need.
• 1:11:50
  You're not showing up as like an outsider being like, I know
• 1:11:54
  better and I'm gonna no push this on all of you.
• 1:11:57
  It's like, oh, I see. And I see a hole that could be
• 1:12:00
  filled that people are asking for.
• 1:12:03
  Yeah. And I have the knowledge and the
• 1:12:04
  skills. To bring people together, right?
• 1:12:07
  Yeah, that's the I didn't know true.
• 1:12:10
  Like community, community around a particular something.
• 1:12:13
  So like with the bike shop, it's like.
• 1:12:15
  Oh yeah. We had never biked with people
• 1:12:19
  before. It was just me and Sean biking,
• 1:12:21
  maybe occasionally his brother. It's when we just get out, just
• 1:12:28
  get out and walk. It wasn't until we bought the
• 1:12:33
  bike shop and like, we formulated a weekly meet up,
• 1:12:38
  Yeah. And a weekly bike ride that like
• 1:12:41
  true community started to form. And then now we call it like the
• 1:12:44
  bike fam because like there's so much core community there that,
• 1:12:49
  you know, not necessarily every week the core comes out, but
• 1:12:56
  like when we do big, when we plan big bike trips and stuff
• 1:13:00
  and we invite everybody, a lot of people show up and it's
• 1:13:03
  created such a cool canister of like bike community.
• 1:13:08
  And I I love that so, but it but it wasn't until we bought the
• 1:13:13
  bike shop and like it kind of gave us more of a broader
• 1:13:15
  purpose to bring people together.
• 1:13:17
  That's when it started. Yeah.
• 1:13:19
  So. Yeah.
• 1:13:21
  And so like I was like, I had this idea to start this paddling
• 1:13:24
  club and hey, anyone want to join, you know, and so then that
• 1:13:28
  kind of caught on and stuff through that I was invited to
• 1:13:31
  join these outdoor recreation working group meetings for the
• 1:13:36
  Applegate Valley through a greater Applegate.
• 1:13:38
  And and then through that, I've like now started like leading
• 1:13:44
  that group and I mean really like, yeah, you show up.
• 1:13:48
  There's like a lot of opportunities for.
• 1:13:50
  People. Applegate is actually quite
• 1:13:52
  active. Yeah, they have all the greater.
• 1:13:54
  Applegate is like there's art and rec and community building
• 1:13:59
  and like entrepreneurship, like networking events that they hold
• 1:14:02
  just for that area. Like it's really they're trying
• 1:14:05
  to do a lot with a little. I give them so much props for
• 1:14:08
  that. That's amazing.
• 1:14:10
  Tell us what's a big area, really.
• 1:14:12
  Yeah. So it's like we say it's like 14
• 1:14:16
  community or towns, neighborhoods, however you want
• 1:14:19
  to say none of them are incorporated, spanning 50 miles,
• 1:14:25
  3 counties and two states. Wow.
• 1:14:26
  Because if you think about it, perhaps it dips into Siskiyou
• 1:14:29
  County in California as well. I think that's Siskiyou.
• 1:14:33
  And then, yeah. So that's been really cool
• 1:14:37
  because I've been starting to learn more about like what's
• 1:14:40
  going on with like the Provo recreation site and they've got
• 1:14:44
  a lot of like cool programs going on.
• 1:14:46
  It used to be like an old BLM seed orchard and is now a day
• 1:14:50
  use park river access, really popular.
• 1:14:54
  We even go there popularity. They are working on some dark
• 1:14:59
  sky stuff there. You can actually check out like
• 1:15:02
  a meter to take to your place and like measure how dark their
• 1:15:05
  sky is. And yeah, they're working on
• 1:15:08
  getting designated like this. Some dark sky stuff.
• 1:15:12
  Out in Cape Junction they're doing some dark sky cool stuff,
• 1:15:15
  which is really neat. In talent they were.
• 1:15:17
  There was some dark sky initiatives OK also.
• 1:15:21
  And then like, yeah, it's like bringing together.
• 1:15:24
  You've got people who are doing trail stuff, you've got the
• 1:15:28
  Paragliders, you've got Equestrian Club, you know that.
• 1:15:32
  So it's cool. We're all kind of coming
• 1:15:34
  together to share what we're doing, what we're working on,
• 1:15:37
  maybe see if there's ways to collaborate.
• 1:15:40
  Which there always is. And there always is.
• 1:15:42
  And so that's been cool. Like another connection is I've
• 1:15:47
  been talking with the Applegate Partnership Watershed Council
• 1:15:50
  and helped put in, they put in a grant to do some invasive
• 1:15:56
  species removal here along the Applegate actually, like right
• 1:16:00
  here, like in this property, because this is the confluence
• 1:16:03
  yay of the road. And, and so it'd be like boating
• 1:16:09
  some of their people down to get to some of these spots and have
• 1:16:13
  them. They want to be able to like
• 1:16:14
  mark out where these invasives are and then be able to go talk
• 1:16:17
  to the property owners and come back and like work with the
• 1:16:20
  property owners to remove them. There's a few species of
• 1:16:24
  invasives that I think are like affecting the the rogue.
• 1:16:28
  And they can tell that they're all kind of coming from, like,
• 1:16:30
  the lower Applegate. Oh, interesting.
• 1:16:32
  Yeah. And so that's like a partnership
• 1:16:36
  that just kind of formed from going to those meetings and
• 1:16:39
  learning about what they're working on.
• 1:16:42
  Yeah, our little cohort table had Caleb Galloway.
• 1:16:46
  Yeah, yeah. And he was an interesting cat.
• 1:16:48
  And I was like, Oh my God, that's so rad.
• 1:16:49
  I got his number, sent it off to our admin and for her to do
• 1:16:57
  something with it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:59
  So. He's got some cool, some cool
• 1:17:01
  perspective. You know, it was really, I'm
• 1:17:05
  glad he was there representing. Yeah, I am too.
• 1:17:11
  So it's been fun. And then, you know, there's like
• 1:17:13
  some like destination tourism stuff that's going on in the
• 1:17:16
  Applegate 2 that they're. Yeah.
• 1:17:18
  What about the wine industry is that?
• 1:17:20
  Are you guys doing anything with them or do they have their kind
• 1:17:23
  of own little weirdness? Not weird, but you know they
• 1:17:27
  have their own core thing. They do.
• 1:17:30
  But I have the big get involved. I've heard that they're like
• 1:17:34
  that wine industry around here is, is hurting a little bit.
• 1:17:38
  Yeah, in particular just because of like the the decrease in
• 1:17:44
  nationwide like alcohol consumption over the last, like
• 1:17:47
  the trend is decreasing right now.
• 1:17:49
  Great. And they were starting.
• 1:17:52
  More grape juice, more raisins and table grapes, Yeah.
• 1:17:59
  They said that they often will sell like 40%.
• 1:18:04
  I could be totally broke on this number, but I want to say it was
• 1:18:06
  like 40% of their grapes up north.
• 1:18:09
  So they'll grow them here and then sell them to like wine
• 1:18:11
  makers out of the region and that this year they've not been
• 1:18:14
  able to. And so I started thinking I was
• 1:18:18
  like, well, a lot of these wineries are right along the
• 1:18:20
  Gate River. Wouldn't it be cool if like they
• 1:18:25
  offered like river access if you had like a wine club membership
• 1:18:29
  or something? And then I was like thinking,
• 1:18:32
  for example, that Provo recreation site they saw like
• 1:18:39
  such an increase in use. I want to say like I can't
• 1:18:43
  remember the exact number of how many visitors they counted in
• 1:18:45
  the last year, but I want to say it was like over 10,000.
• 1:18:48
  A moment for the confluence. Oh yeah.
• 1:18:51
  Yeah. We made it becomes.
• 1:18:53
  One did you? The great joining of the Z
• 1:18:58
  Applegate and Z Rogue Mother Rogue.
• 1:19:02
  She is giving life to her baby. The baby is actually giving life
• 1:19:05
  to her and it's amazing. It's beautiful.
• 1:19:10
  How cool to get to go to Merge River?
• 1:19:14
  To merge to cross. Try like this stretch because it
• 1:19:19
  is like, and then you're like, oh, I'm here now, I'm on the
• 1:19:22
  Rogue Swans. We're crossing them streams.
• 1:19:25
  Stop looking. At me Swan.
• 1:19:27
  Is that I don't know. Or goose, Goose.
• 1:19:30
  Fuck, I don't really see that as much out here.
• 1:19:32
  Yeah, don't. Yeah, don't see big white geese.
• 1:19:35
  Super awful. OK, let's get together ya ya,
• 1:19:37
  ya. Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  And I'll probably take over the camera again you.
• 1:19:42
  Know the camera? Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  Some more. I'll turn.
• 1:19:47
  Well, I guess that's the end of Emily's.
• 1:19:53
  POV OH. OK, what do we got going on?
• 1:19:55
  At least we were recording. No, we were recording.
• 1:20:01
  I checked several times. That's awesome.
• 1:20:07
  Yeah, well. Then I was like, yeah, what if,
• 1:20:09
  like, the wineries were encouraged to like.
• 1:20:13
  Encourage boating. Well, that or even just there's
• 1:20:16
  so many people like a provoke rec spot now that in the summer
• 1:20:20
  you can barely get to the water because there's so many people
• 1:20:23
  there going to access the water. Cool.
• 1:20:25
  So that's great. But then I'm like, well, what if
• 1:20:27
  we were able to like disperse some of the use to like
• 1:20:30
  wineries? And it would also give people
• 1:20:32
  like a reason to go to a winery and like, maybe they just like,
• 1:20:38
  maybe right now it's just blackberries against the river,
• 1:20:40
  but they like develop it into like a little like hangout spot
• 1:20:44
  or something, you know, So just find ways, other ways for them
• 1:20:47
  to to bring in income because they all have like really nice
• 1:20:50
  spots, right? Yeah, I don't.
• 1:20:52
  I don't mind paying 5 to 10 bucks to hang out or a glass of
• 1:20:56
  wine or something to like hang out for the day.
• 1:20:58
  Like if that's the entry fee or whatever.
• 1:21:01
  If they're going to charge a little bit like I don't.
• 1:21:03
  Mind they have snacks there. They got you don't have.
• 1:21:05
  To bring your own cartoon just cooler down, you can just like
• 1:21:10
  ring the bell. And they delivered cheese and
• 1:21:13
  crackers too. Do you know how far up you can
• 1:21:18
  like a cabana boy? Yeah, Cabana.
• 1:21:20
  Boys, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. Boogie River can you put in on
• 1:21:24
  the Applegate? Like how?
• 1:21:25
  How? Cuz I've only started a, you
• 1:21:28
  know, fish hatchery. Can you go up?
• 1:21:30
  Farther. Oh yeah.
• 1:21:31
  You can put in at the dam. Oh wow, and it's big enough
• 1:21:35
  water like but there's some for. Kayaks for like an inflatable
• 1:21:40
  kayak, usually year round, it's enough.
• 1:21:43
  It's going to get low. I would say, you know, if you
• 1:21:47
  look at the gauges, typically the Applegate River gauge, like
• 1:21:52
  if it's like 150, that's a little low.
• 1:21:55
  OK. Another reason why it's not like
• 1:21:57
  a great inner tubing river because it's like gravel bars
• 1:22:01
  and you're barely floating over them.
• 1:22:03
  So however, there's some fun stuff to paddle up like from the
• 1:22:10
  dam to like almost like McKee Bridge area and then from McKee
• 1:22:15
  Bridge down to Cantrell Buckley, Cantrell Buckley down to the
• 1:22:20
  town of Applegate. So there's, there's some good
• 1:22:24
  stuff stretches cool. And then you can even go the
• 1:22:29
  middle fork of the Applegate is above the lake in California.
• 1:22:34
  And that one's more of like a we got some solid, solid class
• 1:22:38
  threes in there. That's more just like winter
• 1:22:41
  runoff. But also people vote that is.
• 1:22:43
  Really. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:22:45
  That's why it's like it'd be cool to get like, well these are
• 1:22:47
  fine too, but like the pack. Yeah, craft.
• 1:22:50
  Yeah, Craft. Would be just like cuz then you
• 1:22:52
  can pack it up and you can get it in and out and nice spots
• 1:22:56
  and. And you're more enclosed.
• 1:23:00
  Yeah, yeah, you can. Like it's like the skirt and
• 1:23:03
  stuff. A couple weekends ago I went on
• 1:23:07
  the Sandy River. It was the first time I'd have
• 1:23:10
  been on a river north of Roseburg in Oregon, which is
• 1:23:13
  like weird that I've not even, I'm not even made it that far.
• 1:23:16
  There's still 70 rivers to run down there.
• 1:23:18
  Same. I mean that that was one of the
• 1:23:20
  intentions of this pod was like, there's so much of Oregon that
• 1:23:24
  we've never seen or experienced that we want to see an
• 1:23:29
  experience but. With purpose in a sense like a
• 1:23:32
  little underlying purpose that could maybe potentially make us
• 1:23:35
  money. Therefore we could do the trips
• 1:23:36
  and it's all a big cycle of. Like.
• 1:23:39
  Yumminess. Yeah.
• 1:23:42
  So that was. Yeah, what was the Sandy like
• 1:23:44
  it? Was well, I thought we were
• 1:23:47
  going like on the really flat stretch, but no, there was
• 1:23:50
  Rabbids. There was fun.
• 1:23:52
  We didn't flip, so we were in like iks and whatnot, but it was
• 1:23:57
  super fun. So just like, yeah.
• 1:24:00
  We'll do again. Definitely, definitely.
• 1:24:04
  That's exciting. Yeah, there's just so there's so
• 1:24:07
  much here. I'm.
• 1:24:08
  Gonna put this bad boy of me. Away.
• 1:24:11
  The camera, No, Seattle. So that's, that's good.
• 1:24:22
  You still get out and paddle even though you're doing all of
• 1:24:25
  this illustrative stuff. Oh yeah, you're still getting
• 1:24:28
  out on the river. Totally.
• 1:24:29
  I'm probably getting out more now or just like more of a
• 1:24:32
  variety because, you know, when I was guiding full time, it
• 1:24:37
  would be like I spent 50 days on the river all on the rogue same
• 1:24:43
  stretches. You know, we're now paddling
• 1:24:47
  rivers, like new rivers. I'm trying to get out and like
• 1:24:50
  out every month at least a couple times.
• 1:24:52
  Good. Have you done an international
• 1:24:56
  river? I have, I just went on a
• 1:25:00
  honeymoon last summer to Europe and thanks and we ended up doing
• 1:25:07
  2 river trips while we were on that.
• 1:25:10
  We're only planning for wine and then did like a little bonus day
• 1:25:13
  rafting on the Struma River in Bulgaria.
• 1:25:17
  Oh wow. Yeah, it was.
• 1:25:18
  It was cool. Wow.
• 1:25:22
  How much did. Yeah.
• 1:25:22
  So in all of this administrative river work you do, it's a lot of
• 1:25:28
  sounds like it's been a lot of collaborating with other US
• 1:25:32
  organizations. What about international?
• 1:25:35
  What do you have to learn? What is there to learn from how
• 1:25:40
  other countries and other continents are recreating on
• 1:25:43
  their rivers, you know? Are they recreating on their
• 1:25:47
  rivers? Were they in Bulgaria?
• 1:25:49
  Oh yeah, It was a big rafting scene there.
• 1:25:53
  They were like getting ready to host like the European Rafting
• 1:25:57
  Championship or something. That's pretty cool.
• 1:26:01
  We also went on a river. Oh, and I guess we're just about
• 1:26:04
  at our take out, so we'll have to do our wrap up questions
• 1:26:07
  after this one. And probably not quite right
• 1:26:11
  there. Yeah, we'll go maybe down to the
• 1:26:13
  yeah to the beach. So yeah, it was, it was I think
• 1:26:18
  what's really cool, one of the most exciting things I think is
• 1:26:20
  like there's a lot of countries working on the rights of rivers.
• 1:26:25
  Cool. And then having rivers like with
• 1:26:27
  their own like inherent rights and like having like someone who
• 1:26:30
  speaks for the river in like a court decision and things like
• 1:26:34
  that. So that's pretty cool.
• 1:26:36
  New Zealand's been doing some work on that as well as even
• 1:26:40
  like in Lyons, Co, there's a river that the town has voted to
• 1:26:46
  give rights to. So there's like some cool work
• 1:26:49
  being done internationally and within our country.
• 1:26:57
  Amazing. I think that's so.
• 1:27:00
  Like I think there's. So much to learn from, yeah.
• 1:27:04
  Yeah, from Are we going to go around right and catch that
• 1:27:06
  idiot? Yeah, we'll go around all the
• 1:27:08
  all the strainers. There's this spot down there
• 1:27:10
  since. I mean, it's a rocky beach.
• 1:27:11
  Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:27:12
  Since the boat ramp is a parking lot, apparently.
• 1:27:18
  I think that there's just so much to learn from from other
• 1:27:22
  countries in the world that the US often tries to do things just
• 1:27:28
  on their own. You're right.
• 1:27:30
  And the the rest of the world has a lot of a lot of insight
• 1:27:35
  and a lot of experience and a lot more history to tap into.
• 1:27:40
  And you can recreate just like that on a boat ramp.
• 1:27:44
  OK, so since we're at our take out, I guess we'll wrap it up
• 1:27:47
  and say first thank you so much for taking us out on on this
• 1:27:51
  little Applegate float and telling talking story with us.
• 1:27:59
  Pull in here and. Pull me in, then I'm pulling you
• 1:28:03
  in. What is your favorite piece of
• 1:28:09
  outdoor gear that you tend to always have with you?
• 1:28:14
  Well, when I'm camping I always have my cuddle buddy with me.
• 1:28:20
  Cuddle buddy, huh? Dog or husband?
• 1:28:23
  No, it's a piece of gear. It's made by fun love and fleece
• 1:28:30
  wear. They friend of mine, Kelly, owns
• 1:28:33
  the company and she makes fleece Paco pad covers that are in fun
• 1:28:38
  designs. But you can, it's like a fitted
• 1:28:40
  sheet that goes around your Paco pad.
• 1:28:43
  And so then you can like, sleep on like, yeah.
• 1:28:46
  And on the other side, it's cotton.
• 1:28:48
  So if it's like hot out, you can do that.
• 1:28:49
  And it's reversible. And it's just made like my Paco
• 1:28:53
  pad sleeping like even better, you know, even though like I
• 1:28:56
  could sleep anywhere in a pot, in a pocket.
• 1:28:58
  That's a great. So check it out and then, yeah,
• 1:29:04
  that's probably my favorite one. Awesome.
• 1:29:06
  Yeah, I'm getting one of those for sure.
• 1:29:08
  They're. Cool.
• 1:29:09
  And they make even a 11 perfect. So yeah, we've got, we've got
• 1:29:13
  some singles we've got to double, you know.
• 1:29:15
  Got the whole line up, the whole family.
• 1:29:18
  Yep. And a piece of advice for your
• 1:29:22
  younger self. It would probably be something
• 1:29:33
  around like, I don't know, just thinking about being on the
• 1:29:40
  river and how like river guiding community sometimes has a lot of
• 1:29:44
  ego in it and people trying to prove themselves.
• 1:29:48
  And I think I'm pretty good at giving advice now.
• 1:29:52
  I'm like, hey, if someone wants to scout something, let's scout
• 1:29:55
  it. We all want to be comfortable
• 1:29:56
  here. Like, let's drop the ego because
• 1:29:58
  that's not going to help us. And I think for too long I was
• 1:30:01
  just trying to, like, fit in. So I'd be like, let that go even
• 1:30:05
  earlier. Just be yourself and you'll find
• 1:30:08
  your community of puddlers. And you know, like, you don't
• 1:30:12
  have to try to be cool to be cool.
• 1:30:17
  It's even cooler if you don't have to try, right?
• 1:30:20
  Yep, Yep. And you just realize that you
• 1:30:22
  are inherently cool. Hey, in your face, we all are.
• 1:30:25
  We all are so amazing. And if people want to learn more
• 1:30:29
  about you, get involved in the things that you do.
• 1:30:33
  Where can you be found if you want to be found?
• 1:30:36
  I have like 7 e-mail addresses that I check.
• 1:30:39
  All of them. No they probably the easiest way
• 1:30:43
  is through the Applegate Paddling Club.
• 1:30:44
  Applegate paddlingclub.org there's an e-mail on there goes
• 1:30:50
  straight to me. Otherwise you can also look up
• 1:30:54
  the Society of Outdoor recreation Professionals sort my
• 1:30:58
  emails all over their websites as well.
• 1:31:02
  Or just come down to the river and you'll probably if you stand
• 1:31:06
  next to the river or at a put in or take out long enough will
• 1:31:09
  probably cost paths so. Just yell at Andrew.
• 1:31:11
  Yeah, yeah, that's cool. Amazing.
• 1:31:14
  I have a the quick question. I think we've been a little
• 1:31:17
  forgetting sometimes, but what's some advice for somebody looking
• 1:31:22
  to get out to recreate how you recreate, which is also, I know
• 1:31:26
  that you're going to plug in Applegate paddlers, but like,
• 1:31:30
  you know, somebody that aspires to be a river person, but they
• 1:31:33
  need that kick in the butt or just some guidance.
• 1:31:37
  Yeah, I would say don't be afraid to just like reach out to
• 1:31:40
  folks, right? I don't know, like it can seem
• 1:31:43
  like such a big like daunting thing to be like, hi, I want to
• 1:31:47
  do this. I don't know what I'm doing, but
• 1:31:51
  I love taking out people like all the time, like of any
• 1:31:53
  experience level, No experience. I've invited folks that I've met
• 1:31:57
  through Ladies of Whitewater Kayaking on the Lower Rogue
• 1:32:00
  trip, you know, so I think just throw it out there and you're
• 1:32:05
  going to find someone to help get you out there.
• 1:32:09
  And it's always more fun to do with someone else, right?
• 1:32:12
  And make a new friend. So that'd be my advice.
• 1:32:14
  Love that, love that. Yay.
• 1:32:16
  And when your body expires and your soul leaves this plane of
• 1:32:20
  existence, how do you want to be remembered?
• 1:32:24
  Oh, for being authentic and valuing relationships.
• 1:32:33
  Yeah, being a good friend, good community member.
• 1:32:36
  Hell yeah. I think you're doing a really
• 1:32:38
  good job of that you're doing. And I think it's a testament to
• 1:32:41
  that, that we've both known you for a long time and.
• 1:32:45
  And I have to say too with that, like, even though we literally
• 1:32:48
  have not seen each other for like 10 years, like I still
• 1:32:52
  like, I know we follow each other on like Facebook or
• 1:32:55
  whatever, but like you're a person that I'm like, oh, Angie,
• 1:32:58
  she knows me. And like, we were like, I just
• 1:33:01
  had this instant click, you know, it was like, so some
• 1:33:04
  people just have that way just the spark that clicks, you know,
• 1:33:08
  and then they feel like they know you like I feel I'm like,
• 1:33:10
  yeah, Angie. Like I know Angie.
• 1:33:12
  Yeah. You know, not like we met and it
• 1:33:14
  was we haven't talked. So like, I don't know what she's
• 1:33:16
  up to or like just, you know, I don't know, you know what I
• 1:33:19
  mean? Yeah.
• 1:33:19
  And so. Genuine that way, genuine
• 1:33:21
  friend. Genuine friend for sure.
• 1:33:24
  I vibe that for sure. Well, it won't be 10 more years.
• 1:33:27
  We're going to do it again. Soon, Yes, we will.
• 1:33:29
  Yeah. I want to come out.
• 1:33:30
  I want to come out that May 2nd you.
• 1:33:32
  Said Oh yeah, come on out May 2nd over Applegate Grange.
• 1:33:36
  Also like be out paddling before then and after then and all
• 1:33:40
  summer long. Is there a little like Facebook
• 1:33:42
  event for that? Yes, I think I set one up.
• 1:33:48
  OK, cool. I think I set one up.
• 1:33:52
  It's on Facebook. There's a flyer out there.
• 1:33:54
  Because if you do want a table, we're encouraging people to sign
• 1:33:58
  up before that's. The used gear, yeah.
• 1:34:01
  Do you have another like paddle pastries?
• 1:34:05
  Not planned yet, but likely in September we'll do something for
• 1:34:09
  the Jacksephine Country Fair Week, which is a week long event
• 1:34:14
  in the Applegate celebrating all sorts of food, music, art,
• 1:34:19
  recreation, community. Cool.
• 1:34:22
  So there's just so many cool things going on here in Southern
• 1:34:25
  Oregon and in Jackson County and Josephine County, and thank you
• 1:34:29
  for being a big part of making that happen and building
• 1:34:32
  community and sharing stoke and information and getting people
• 1:34:36
  outside. Now, thank you.
• 1:34:38
  Thank you for doing this. And yeah.
• 1:34:41
  We'll do more having you. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:43
  Awesome. Thank you.
• 1:34:45
  I'm yeah, I'm Heather. I'm.
• 1:34:47
  Emily and together work go wildly, and that's the beautiful
• 1:34:55
  Rogue River Rogue. Truly a huge thank you to Angie
• 1:34:59
  for her love for rivers and river communities here in
• 1:35:02
  Southern Oregon and beyond. Seriously, check out the
• 1:35:06
  Applegate Paddling Club and the Society of Outdoor Recreation
• 1:35:09
  Professionals where Angie is doing incredible work helping
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  people connect with rivers, build community, and lower
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  barriers to getting out on the water.
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  Make sure to check out the Gear Swap on May 2nd.
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  It's going to be a really great chance to meet some folks, find
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  or sell some gear, and plug into the local river community.
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  We've linked everything Angie mentioned in the show notes, so
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  go take a look, get involved and that's a wrap on this episode of
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  Go Wildly from the bottom of our backpacks.
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  Wildly and. Go outside.