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Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro: Jeff Garlin · Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro

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  Speaker 1: Hey, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff, Jeff Garlin.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So he's acting like he just met me.
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  Speaker 2: He booked me here. So this was a little character
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  Speaker 2: work suggested by his son, who's operating this camera, to
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  Speaker 2: come on out. I refused to get up. That's why
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  Speaker 2: we did it that way. Otherwise, we'd come out and
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  Speaker 2: we'd be talking like, eh, fake stuff, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're not supposed to be giving up my,
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  Speaker 3: just playing along.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say a little something like this.
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  Speaker 3: That's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Coming from you, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: This is what, a podcast, a video?
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  Speaker 3: It's not a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Just video. It's a video podcast. It's a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Something like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need to be actors. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of acting were you doing? It was not bad.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't good. But I saw no prep. There was
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  Speaker 2: no prep. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's the genius behind it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. You know what I mean? No, this, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm not playing any acting games.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm glad.
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  Speaker 2: What are you to do that for?
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't just..
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  Speaker 2: Why do you listen to him?
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  Speaker 3: Listen. I shouldn't listen to him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, some sitcom guys..
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  Speaker 3: Smart kid. He's very sharp. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, you've gotten bad direction before, right?
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  Speaker 2: Come on. What actor hasn't? I remember I was doing
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  Speaker 2: a movie with Gerard Butler. By the way, you're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to call him Jerry. People call him Jerry. I call
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  Speaker 2: him Gerard Butler. Gerard. No, Gerard Butler. I say his
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  Speaker 2: full name like that. When we were working together, whenever
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  Speaker 2: I see him, Gerard Butler. Gerard Butler. Yeah, no Jerry.
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  Speaker 3: No Jerry.
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  Speaker 2: No Gerard. Gerard Butler. That works for certain people.
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  Speaker 3: Your Nick.
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  Speaker 2: Your Nick, that's it. That's all you need.
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  Speaker 1: Just Nick.
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  Speaker 2: Nick. What do you need more? Great name, Totoro.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Holds weight. Yeah, Gerard, I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy about that name. It's always like guys are like
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  Speaker 3: a bad guy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like a seedy guy.
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  Speaker 2: Gerard?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a guy in my neighborhood who's Gerard.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's what you're associating with. I don't know any
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  Speaker 2: Gerard Trump.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know. But don't you, if you hear
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  Speaker 3: a name, don't you like immediately have a reaction?
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  Speaker 2: It's a goofy name. But it's kind of English, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Or Scottish? I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but right away I think back to my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 3: I think back to.
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  Speaker 2: The Gerard that I knew. Well, of course, your Gerard
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  Speaker 2: carries more weight. yeah but here's my point director you
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  Speaker 2: get off topic like me uh the director I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember the dude's name but I'm filming this movie with
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  Speaker 2: Gerard Butler we're best friends and we're working on the
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  Speaker 2: scene and we're you know talking it over and doing
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  Speaker 2: a little on our own like in his trailer I
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  Speaker 2: believe and there was something in there that just made
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  Speaker 2: no sense especially for guys who are like best pals.
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  Speaker 2: And we told the director, this is not really working
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  Speaker 2: because of this. The director said, you know, the studio
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  Speaker 2: paid a lot of money for those lines. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to do them. That's what he said? Yeah. And they
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  Speaker 2: were just bad. And of course, I gave an extra
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  Speaker 2: bad performance on those lines. You did? So we'd get
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  Speaker 2: cut in post.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. What can you say? What's the movie?
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: You don't remember?
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  Speaker 2: Him and Jennifer Aniston. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, him and Jennifer Aniston? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't know the title.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know about you. As a
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  Speaker 2: matter of fact, that's so funny. I was just talking
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  Speaker 2: about this to somebody. They were asking me something about
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  Speaker 2: a movie I did or a television show. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen it. So I don't really. Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: was talking about Law & Order, which I love. I'd
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  Speaker 2: love to be a cop on Law & Order. You know,
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  Speaker 2: if you become one of the lawyers on Law & Order,
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  Speaker 2: big speeches.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You don't want that.
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  Speaker 2: For the birds, no. But the cops, one line. You
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  Speaker 2: ain't going nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: Right, like iced tea.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me, was it blunt force trauma? You know, like
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  Speaker 2: that type of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So anyhow, I can't remember the name of the movie,
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  Speaker 2: but isn't that terrible? But I've also gotten, what's the
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  Speaker 2: key to good directing?
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  Speaker 1: The key?
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  Speaker 2: I think..
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  Speaker 3: Just don't say too much.
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  Speaker 2: I was about to say, leave you alone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't say too much.
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  Speaker 2: And if you have a note, present something that appeals
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  Speaker 2: to the actor's imagination so you can sort of make
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  Speaker 2: a choice on your own. Oh, would you have said
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  Speaker 2: that when you were a little kid? Play it like
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  Speaker 2: when you were a little kid. Right. As a director,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's going to come out.
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  Speaker 1: You know where you get a lot of bad direction?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that I've gotten, I haven't done, you know,
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  Speaker 3: as many comedies as you, but I've done a few
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  Speaker 3: sitcoms and Sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: You get some really bad directing in a sitcom.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, because... No, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: All the time.
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  Speaker 3: All the time?
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  Speaker 2: There's exceptions. The rule is bad direction. And then there's
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  Speaker 2: some excellent television directors who are... I've worked with them.
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  Speaker 2: They're wonderful. And then I've worked with ones that I
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  Speaker 2: want to..
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, punch them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know when you..
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  Speaker 2: I was about to say, kill myself. No, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: take it out on myself. I'd punch them. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't... When's the last time you punched somebody? Seriously.
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  Speaker 1: Punch somebody?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, punch somebody.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really punch people.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 3: I yell at people.
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  Speaker 2: When you were younger, you didn't punch people?
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  Speaker 1: When I was younger? I wasn't... I really wasn't in, like,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fights.
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  Speaker 2: I did some punching in college.
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  Speaker 3: College?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy at a concert who was, like, You know,
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  Speaker 2: that's the last time I punched was..
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I got punched one time in the back of
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  Speaker 3: the head.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because..
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  Speaker 1: I never did the punching.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: You know, believe it or not, I'm more like a screamer. Oh, see.
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  Speaker 3: But not like the hands.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a yeller with the puncher. But, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: in my early 20s.
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  Speaker 3: You grew up where? Chicago, right?
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  Speaker 2: Chicago and then South Florida.
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  Speaker 1: And then South Florida?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then when did you come to L.A.? I came
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  Speaker 1: to L.A.
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  Speaker 2: A couple times because I was doing Second City in Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: I was living in New York, I was like bouncing around,
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  Speaker 2: and then I got a part in something, I don't remember,
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  Speaker 2: and I came out here, lived here for a while,
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  Speaker 2: went back to Chicago, but I've been living here now
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  Speaker 2: the current time, about 30 years.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, like me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to believe, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it is.
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  Speaker 3: Like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: L.A., you just kind of like settle in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because, you know, the thing is in New York
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  Speaker 2: with the seasons, you can sort of count the years.
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  Speaker 3: You can kind of, yeah. You lose track here.
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  Speaker 2: You completely lose track.
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  Speaker 3: People go, Nick, you're from L.A. I go, what do
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  Speaker 3: you mean I'm from L.A.? They go, you've been here
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  Speaker 3: like 30 years, a half your life. And I go, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's true. But I go, you forget. You just forget.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I remember the beginning years when I.
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  Speaker 3: First got here because I was in the earthquake. And
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  Speaker 3: I almost got killed in the earthquake. Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 3: in a building. I almost came down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, shut your great grandma's balls.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just on NYPD Blue. And I think that.
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  Speaker 1: Year it happened.
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  Speaker 2: So were you a guesting or were you a regular?
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  Speaker 3: No, I was a regular.
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  Speaker 1: I was a regular. Did you enjoy that?
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  Speaker 3: Did I enjoy it? Yeah. Yeah, I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: Dennis..
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  Speaker 1: Dennis Franz, great guy.
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  Speaker 3: Chicago guy.
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  Speaker 2: Chicago guy, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: David Caruso was the original.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, I think I met... I think I met
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  Speaker 3: Larry David at a party. I had like a business
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  Speaker 3: manager for a year. I got rid of him. This guy,
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  Speaker 3: Matt Lichtenberg.
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  Speaker 2: He was my business.
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  Speaker 1: Manager for a while. Was he?
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  Speaker 3: He's a good guy. But I think... I think he,
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  Speaker 3: maybe he represented Larry or something.
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  Speaker 2: No, he still is Larry's business manager.
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  Speaker 3: Is he?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know why I'm presenting that publicly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I shouldn't say that.
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  Speaker 2: But if you want some of Larry's money, call Matt
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  Speaker 2: Lichtenberg and see what you can arrange.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember him introducing us.
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  Speaker 2: No, Lichtenberg's a great guy. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't even know. I had no idea, like,
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  Speaker 3: who Larry was, and he was like, hey, hey. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, hey, this is Larry. Hey, nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 3: And then, years later, I met him formally with my
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  Speaker 3: friend Lou DiMaggio. Lou!
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  Speaker 2: You're friends with Lou?
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  Speaker 1: Lou!
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  Speaker 2: Lou!
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Lou's my boy. Lou's a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: So, Lou introduced me to Larry. Loves the Mets. Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he loves the Mets.
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  Speaker 1: He loves the Mets, I know.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, what happened?
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  Speaker 3: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. You, too. More comedy. Ha!
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, here's some pizza. Fresh.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: That might be a little much for me.
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  Speaker 1: That's all right.
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  Speaker 3: You can take it home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh.
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  Speaker 3: How's that?
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  Speaker 2: As they say in Sweden, that's a beauty.
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  Speaker 3: In Sweden?
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  Speaker 2: Kick, save, and a beauty. That's what Marv.
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  Speaker 3: Albert used to say.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Marv.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Rosen, I love, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look at that.
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  Speaker 2: I dig the Rangers.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you like the Rangers?
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  Speaker 2: They're my favorite New York team. Oh, good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You're not a Blackhawk guy?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, huge Blackhawk guy. Conor Bedard, yeah. Yeah? But I
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: dig the Rangers.
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  Speaker 3: But what's your favorite sport? Baseball?
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  Speaker 2: Baseball. Yeah. Like, nothing can compare. Football, obviously, the Bears.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Big Cubs fan.
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  Speaker 2: Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: How elated in 2016 were you? Over the moon?
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  Speaker 2: I was weeping. Yeah? And my dad had just died.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't get to see it. And I was just...
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, I said, oh my God. I
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: was in my basement. I didn't want to go to Cleveland.
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  Speaker 2: Even for the Cubs.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't want to go? No. Why not?
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  Speaker 2: I don't like really.
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: Going on the road?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm done with the road.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, you've done the whole Wrigley.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, I sing at Wrigley every year.
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  Speaker 3: You sing every year?
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  Speaker 2: And I go.
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  Speaker 1: You got a bug on your face.
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  Speaker 2: I do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic. It's all right. Look.
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  Speaker 3: So you sing. What do you sing?
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  Speaker 1: Take me out to the ball game. Take me out
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  Speaker 1: to the ball game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a great time.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know when I was a doorman? I was
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  Speaker 3: a doorman fellow.
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  Speaker 1: 10 years, Central Park South.
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  Speaker 3: St.
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  Speaker 1: Moritz on the park.
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  Speaker 3: Richie Lewis used to walk by with that fucking black coat.
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  Speaker 3: And he was always with the hair. And he would
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  Speaker 3: talk to me. I used to talk to everybody before
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  Speaker 3: I started acting.
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  Speaker 2: He was a great guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: He loved talking to people.
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  Speaker 1: He would go to me, you remember Nick?
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  Speaker 3: He was..
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  Speaker 2: An extremely close friend and a mentor to me too.
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  Speaker 2: We used to go on the road together.
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  Speaker 3: Did you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Were you a stand-up too?
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  Speaker 2: I'd been a stand-up for 40, June 12th, it'll be
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  Speaker 2: 44 years.
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  Speaker 3: 44 years?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Did you do stand-up ever with Larry?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when we first met in the world of stand-up.
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  Speaker 3: What was he like as a stand-up?
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  Speaker 2: He was really funny, but, I mean, really great jokes.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorites that he did was if they
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: were answering machines in the Old West, and he gets called,
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  Speaker 2: like in the thing, he gets called, you hear the recording,
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  Speaker 2: he does the recording, of the sheriff asking for a
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: posse and then like a few days later he runs
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: to the sheriff, sheriff, sheriff, I didn't get your message until,
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  Speaker 2: it's such a funny, there's a million of them, but
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  Speaker 2: what he was known for in New York and I
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: witnessed this and I'm telling you it's true, he'd go
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  Speaker 2: on stage and.
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here.
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: By the way, I've never seen anyone get rid of
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: a bug like that. That is awesome. Get the fuck
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  Speaker 2: out of here. You could be... Fuck it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying not to curse, too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he would... If someone wasn't paying attention, looked
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  Speaker 2: at their watch, was talking anywhere, within the first minute,
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: two minutes, he goes, ah, not tonight, and leave.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: Really? Oh, yeah.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Not tonight.
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  Speaker 3: That's how he was.
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: That would happen, yes. So when you went in to
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: watch him in the room, you knew you were either
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: going to get great stand-up with great jokes that you loved.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: Or he was gonna say, oh, not tonight. And the
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: different reason every time. They liked the way he looked
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: at me, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that great?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: How did him and Jerry, did they know each other from?
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They came up with the show while
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: they were both working at the improv.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I heard stories that when they were pitching the show,
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: You know, like people didn't love him in the room.
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: And they were like, could you do the show without him?
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  Speaker 2: And Jerry was like.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Did you ever hear that?
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: Is that true?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't know that that's true.
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  Speaker 3: But Jerry was like, no, no, no way. I couldn't
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: do it without Larry.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: Because it was, I think the guy's name was Rick Ludwin,
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: who was like... one of the executives, he was in
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: charge of late night. And he pushed the show through.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: I think it was, I think for sure, I would
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: bet anything that NBC at the time thought that it
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: was gonna be a bomb.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, they had no idea, right? No.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: It was on, I heard it was on for like
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: four episodes.
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they did six, four could be.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: And..
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: I think they were surprised as anybody that they got
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: picked up. Right. And they made some changes, recast. You
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: know how it goes. It's a slow thing. Were you
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: ever on it? That's been a point of contention. So
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: back in the day, when it was going, I'd see Larry,
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever. And I never blamed him. But I
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: never got called into audition. Not once.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: Not once.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Not once. And I was active doing comedies. Not once. Right.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: For anything. Years later, I tell Larry that he's incensed.
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: Really? Oh, yeah.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: We're partners. Sure. He's one of my closest friends.
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: And when I told him, he was incensed. never you
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: know he was so mad he was so mad but
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: i think i did fine without it and by the
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: way who knows if we would have done curb if
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: i'd been that's.
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: Right you know i mean the fate had it that
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: way jeff yeah fate is what it is yeah i
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: think so i mean because that relationship to me was
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: so believable like well i'm gonna tell.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: You something funny interesting maybe i don't know Point is,
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: when we were auditioning people for the parts, you know,
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: on the show, Cheryl, whoever, there were scenes, because on Curb,
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: when we auditioned people, if you were in the scene,
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: you were doing it with the person. So it wasn't
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: like you came in auditioning and you're only meeting the
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: casting director. No, the casting director's there, but you're doing
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: the scene with Larry, myself, Lady or Cheryl would come
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: into casting, and... So the first time we started doing
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: that with actors coming in, we were looking at each
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: other like, have we been partners since the 40s? Because
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: it's weird, because you cannot predict that and you just
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: don't know. And lo and behold, from the get-go, we
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: were surprised, but... You know, it was effortless.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was unbelievable.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: It was almost like, I said, these guys must be like,
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: in real life, they must be together because it just
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: seemed like seamless between the two of you.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: It didn't, there was never no, like you guys were acting.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Well, we were acting.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: You were acting, but I mean you were behaving.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: No, we were fucking fantastic.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: You were unbelievable.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, let me just say this.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: Larry and I hated each other. We hated each other.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: Come on. So our acting.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: That's bullshit.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Of course it's bullshit. Come on. But, yeah, no, it's acting.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: No, you know what I mean.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: That it didn't feel like, it didn't appear. That's how
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: good you were.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Well, doing improvisational comedy, what happened?
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: What did you say?
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: I got distracted. I'm sorry.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: A dog? No. A lady.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: I'd rather not say.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: A lady.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: I'd rather not say.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: A lady, yeah. Do you know when I see a
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: young lady, however beautiful she is, I see a young woman,
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: I think, I'm her dad. I don't, it does not.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think that way.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Well, that's, you know. Yeah, maybe you feel that way.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: No, I'm always that way, that I'm her dad. I'm
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: her dad. It's like, by the way, I can acknowledge
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: great beauty and say, oh, if I was in her
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: class in college, whatever it was, or I worked with
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: her at some corporate place, That would be difficult for
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: me as a young man. But as I'm an elder,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: I'm 64. How old are you? I'm 64.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: 64.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Class of 80? Class of 80?
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir. Okay, look at that.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: 1962?
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, 62.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Pleasure. When's your birthday?
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: January 29th.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, my granddaughter's birthday is that day.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: It's a good birthday.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a granddaughter.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Tom Selleck.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: You have no granddaughter?
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: No, but if she was born, it'd be on that day.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: I have a grandson.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I'm turning 64 on June 5th.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: June 5th.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: So I'm a little older than you.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Months? We're the same age. Yeah, same age.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: 1980.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, the pamphlet.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: The pamphlet, acting without acting.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's hilarious. By the way, and I've worked with
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of actors. and I respect all the people
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I've worked with. But unequivocally, he is by a country
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: mile the greatest actor I've ever worked with.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Alexander?
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Tell me why, in your book.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, he guest starred one season and then we did
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: the Seinfeld season. the precision on that man, being able
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: to repeat things, but having the precision of knowing where
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: to stand and saying something that is believable over and over.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And I was kind of in awe of it, and
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I talked to, it was Dave Mandel.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I know what you mean.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I said, This is ridiculous, because I didn't
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: know it. I wasn't even expecting it. He goes, I know.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: When you see that, it is a little intimidating.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: And he also does it effortlessly.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it does. I've seen that with my brother John,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: who you're a big fan of, you told me, and
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I was doing a TV limited show in Rome with him.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: It was called The Name of the Rose, and the
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: dialogue was like, it wasn't Shakespearean, but it was biblical,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: and it was like, Really hard, I didn't know.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Sean Connery?
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: That was the movie, but my brother decided to do
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: a miniseries and go back to like, they didn't do
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: an Americanized version or, Sean Connery did like an American
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: version of a movie, but he did like a, it
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: went back to the, you know, really what the dialogue of.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: The book was.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: And it was hard dialogue, and I was watching him
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: do it, and I was in the damn thing, but
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: a small part, And I was like, how the hell
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: is he doing it? And he was doing it like, effortlessly.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And I mean monologues and really hard shit. And I
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: said to him, how are you remembering that? And he
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: goes to me, it's in my body, Nick. Nicholas, it's
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: in my body.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: And I said, huh? It's in your body? And he said, oh, okay.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I had to think about it for a second, like
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: it's in my body.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: But then I understood what he meant.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I don't elaborate.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Well, what he means is that something that you're living
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: with is something that you're really like, you've been with
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: it for a while.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Now, a long time.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Like baseball, there are facts, there are stories, there are moments.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: It's not in my head. It's in my fucking body.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Cubs.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean like details.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I have details. I'm a baseball savant. And that's how
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I am with that. But this was like, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: like hard, hard shit. And he made it look like
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: it was nothing. And I was like, wow, my mouth
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: was open. It's a little intimidating.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: And, and, and.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Also, there's no offense to you. No. But he's superhuman.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: No, he's.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: He's not a normal person.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: No, he's not a normal person. And you know, if
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: you don't, I forgot a few lines and he knows
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: everybody's lines and he does this too to you, which
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: is really disturbing. Like if you forget your lines with him,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: he starts mouthing your lines.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I said, don't do that. I had a meltdown.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I said, don't do that, it's hilarious. He's like, but
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: you were saying it right all morning. I said, I know.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: He goes, well, what happened?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. I said, I got tired
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: of saying it, saying it off camera. It was weird dialogue,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: you know, and then sometimes it goes.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Out of your head.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: And then he made me more nervous by looking at me,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: my older brother, I'm blinking, it looks like my father.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: And I had like a fucking, just had like a
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: brain freeze.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Because it's in his body.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Because it's in his body.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Not in your body, not in my body, his body.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: His body.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: That's a good bit.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: The funny was the curb, it was in my body.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: But there were no lines.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: No lines.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: But it was in your body.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: That's why you were so good.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: In the show.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: That's also when you do, when you start working on
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a series, early on you're like having trouble with your lines.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Later in the season, you can look at it once
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and be off book.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: And have it. I did that with NYPD and it
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: was a hard show, but after a couple, a little bit,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: and once I settled in, Like you say, it was
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: in my body, you.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: And it was, it came. I mean, that happens, you know?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I get that, but it was a funny way to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: put it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: So I know there was like, there's a structure.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a script that occurred.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: No, there was. Was there a script? Here's how I
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: was funny on the show.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I'm a funny guy.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: You are.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to explain how I was funny. You ready?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So, and I'll tell you where the funny guy comes in.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: My skill. Mm-hmm. Larry David. You see an episode, okay?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: And yes, we improvise. So he writes an outline. I
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: get the outlines before the season starts because they're all written, okay?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: The outlines?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: They're outlines. All written with no changes from when we
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: do them. So it's like this whole series is like
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: we know what is going to happen every episode. So anyhow,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I go over it, I go over it. When he
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: sends it to me, I can clearly see the entire episode.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And it's at least 75% of what I can see
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: from what he's written. Sometimes he goes, uh, you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: about a scene. And it's like, oh, he goes, that
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: would have been better written or whatever, you know. But he,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: for the most part, he has a problem on set.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stay on point. But he has a
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: problem on set. You do a scene with him, he
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: will probably... They have to stop a dozen times for laughing.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And he is laughing at the performance. And if he laughs,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: it's a big compliment. But he's also laughing at something
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that was in his imagination. And here it's happening. And
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: he just goes on. But what he writes is so
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: perfect from the get-go. Everything that's funny is the get-go.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So when I go into a scene, first off..
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Give me an example.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You give me a scene and I'll tell you. I
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: remember all of them.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: You remember all of them?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I was there for every one of them because
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I was a producer on the show. So I'm sitting
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: behind the monitor for other ones. Just name a scene.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: The chicken place.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, when he and I ate at the chicken place?
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Okay. That was a place over on, I believe, Westwood Boulevard.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It never existed. It was a fake place we came
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: up with. So in the outline, I wish I could
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: access it. It's in my phone somewhere. In the outline,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: it'll tell the story. of what happens in the scene,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: like the complete story's there.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: It's there.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It's there. What I do in terms of what I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: bring to it is that, I mean, and it's easy
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: for me because of him. So everything, all the information's there.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: There might be one line to learn, you know, but
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: in general, no, it's the thing. And I know it's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: always about, and I was taught this at Second City,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: serving the scene. So I know what the scene's about.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: So I'm not trying to be funny. I'm trying to
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: be in the scene. And it's also, as an actor,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: if you're trying to make the other person look good
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and they're trying to make you look good, what a
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: great thing. Unfortunately, I've never worked with anyone who had
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: that attitude besides me. So I'm making someone else look
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: good and they're making themselves look good. Anyhow, not Larry.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Larry was about the scene, serving the scene. And so...
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I'll read it. I'll read the outline maybe twice if
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I want to, months before, as I told you, before
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the season starts. I get to set, and I don't
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: know what we're about to shoot, which only helps me.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So I say to the director, usually it's Jeff Schaefer,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: producer-director on the show. I go, come here. He goes,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: here's what it's about, because he knows why I'm calling
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: him over. And he'll tell me what the scene's about.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: So I have no plans. I'm just relying on what
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the scene's about.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: What it's about?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what it's about. Nothing more. Nothing more. Yeah, nothing more.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Because there's so much more to a scripted show. And
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: on a scripted show, you can't go what this is
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: about unless you have cue cards waiting. And so I
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: don't know what it's about. So we sit there and
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: we start filming the scene. And we'll go, we'll do it,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: you know. Best place ever. Great place to cheat. No
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: other Jews will find you. Blah, blah, blah. It's all there,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you know. Right. And we do a take. And I'm fresh. Okay.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I am into it. I'm present. I have complete confidence
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: of what the outline that Larry's written, the scene.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: So..
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: It's just me doing my thing, which is just being
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: real in the scene. And I know, because this is
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: what I was about to say, because I was thinking
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: about in the scene. I get criticized a lot on Curb.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And people have done parodies of me where Larry will say,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I don't like these bathrooms. You don't like these bathrooms.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: That's actually an exaggeration. But anyhow, I'll do a lot
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of repeating. And I realized I was trained in the
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Meisner technique.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: You were.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is all repeating.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, moment to moment.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if I say that, I'm supporting him. That's
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: also me trying to make someone else look good. And
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it's not like I keep repeating. I repeat once, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: then there's dialogue.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: But all people remember. It's me repeating.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Repeating.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: But in my Meisner, I remember..
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Repetition.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, repetition. And you find it through repetition. Yeah. And
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it's also exaggerated because you don't repeat more than once
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: when you're actually doing the work. But I remember I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: would do scenes.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Did Larry know you were doing Meisner a lot?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: This was long before.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is when I was living in New York.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, stand-up, and I thought, I want
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: to become a better actor. Yeah. And the Meisner technique
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: is great, but I remember... doing scenes and getting big
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: laughs from the other students. And the teacher would get
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: angry at me. And I had to say to him,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the choices I'm making are what I think the scene's about.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I am not trying to be funny. This is not
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: about being funny. And he couldn't understand.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: This was in the class?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the class. Lovely guy, but he could not understand.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Because he thought you were like trying to get a laugh?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know this secret. It's a secret that a
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: lot of actors don't know, and that is when you
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: play comedy, you play it like drama. You play it
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: like a regular person.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: You play it grounded.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyone who puts a spin on, you lose.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I can tell you, and I've been doing this, it'll
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: be 44 years next month. Right. Any time. In my
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: entire career, acting, even on stage that I've tried being funny,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: like really.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Tried, fails.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I have a zero, I got a zero in that class.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Full on F.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Exactly right.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: No, I agree.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yet, anything I do that's funny is because I'm just playing.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: You know what this guy said to me on a
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: cop show? I was on his show, Blue Bloods.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, Blue Bloods with Tom Selleck. Yeah. Yeah, my granddaughter
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: was the evil puppet master, remember? She took over the city.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was there the first three years.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I just made that up. The puppet master, she took
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: over the city. I'm describing like a Batman episode.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: No, my point was.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That was my point. You say it normal, and there
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you go.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: But here's what I'm getting at. I'm getting at. I
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: was doing a scene in the park, whatever, was eating
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: a sandwich. I was eating food a lot. So one
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: of the writers comes over. He says to me, he goes, hey, man,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: you know, you're very good and everything. He goes, you're
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: making a lot of stuff. That's a lot of stuff funny.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I said, why, is that a problem? I said, nah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: he goes, no, no, you're a really good actor, because
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: some stuff, we didn't write it funny, but in a
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: real way. So I wasn't trying to be fucking funny.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be, not one bit, Jeff.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: There was nobody remotely funny on the show. I was
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: the only comic relief. It happened organically.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Organically.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to be funny.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: But people understand that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: No, but either you have that muscle or you don't.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I truly believe that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, you're born with that muscle.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, there was one producer that didn't understand that,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, you should be thanking me. You need
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: somebody with some freaking humor in the show. Like Donnie
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Wahlberg would see it, and he'd say, man, that was
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: really funny.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And then he'd try to be funny, but it wouldn't
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: be funny.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Because you can't try to be funny. I called the
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: kid Harvard.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I said, hey, Harvard. And the guy Leonard Goldberg.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Goes, when you said, hey, Harvard, I just said it. Yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I just said because I said.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Because there's no thought in your head of this will
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: be funny.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: You're just like going, hey, Harvard. Right.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, Harvard.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, what a great thing to call somebody.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was funny.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: But when you said that to me, it just reminded
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: me of what I went through on that show because
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I was like, you guys should have commended me for
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the comedy that I brought to your dry air, dry show. Well, that's...
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And it still burns me
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: up because I'm like, that adds something. If a guy
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: brings something funny, you go, wow. I didn't know that
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: even in great dramas, there's funny, funny moments.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But that's all. That's why you get involved in a
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: TV series and you realize there's no likeness. or even
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a miniseries, I give up. I got three episodes in,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is unbearable to watch.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Even the darkest shit needs laughter.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: You need a little humor.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: You need a laughter.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I don't care how good the drama is.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: You need a Jeff Garlin, or you need somebody like myself,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: somebody that can bring some lightness.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Can I be honest with you?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: All that's available is.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: DeTuro and Jeff Garlin, and so that's all it should be.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: No one else knows how to do that.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Listen, I totally understand where you were coming from.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: That's why I was like, you know, you weren't trying
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: to be funny in the acting class. It just happened.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It just happened.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: You mentioned something about a lot of food. You have
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the food.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Food.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Do you know the greatest television eater of all time?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Of all time?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: And I talked to him about it and he was
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: so surprised that I noticed this is the best television
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: eater of all time.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Was it a comedy or a drama?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: It was both.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: It was both?
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Dark.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Was it James Gandolfini?
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It was James Gandolfini.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: It was great.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Do you know what his eating is? All right. So
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: let's say he has a bowl of ice cream.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, I saw that. Okay.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: He'll just stir it. So when you cut to him,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: he's like, and so you think when the shot's not
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: on him that he's doing this. It's how, spaghetti.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: It was great.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Spaghetti. And then he would just, it would never go
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: in his mouth.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: He was brilliant with the food.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, best eater I've ever seen.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: He did a thing in the first season when his
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: son was still kind of fat and chubby. And they
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: were eating ice cream or some shit like that. And
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: then he took out the whipped cream, you know, like
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the old whipped cream box, and like squirted some in
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: his mouth and whatever. Fantastic, the way he dealt with
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: the food on that show. It made you hungry too.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: But when you watch a guy eat ice cream. I
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: got better and better on Blue Bloods eating, because there's.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: A knack to that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: There's a knack to that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I have one pet peeve with television, especially dramas. The coffee.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know why you wouldn't ask the prop master
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: to put water in there to give it some weight. So,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: you will see, by the way, great actors do great coffee.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Coffee is, you're holding it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: You're telling me they're not drinking coffee?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: No, no. They have an empty container with a top
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and they're miming, you know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: They're pretending.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: That's terrible.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: No, but the great ones, and you can see it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: light because the other actor, all over the place. You'd
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: be burnt. Yeah. So, no, but a great actor... Or
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: for myself, I would always say when I had props,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: pour it in there, put water in there, put something.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: So there's weight. Right. And then I don't have to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: do pretend drink, you know, acting coffee.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Or, you know, but I watch it and it takes
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: me out of everything. Someone does bad coffee. I am
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: so distracted and upset, you know, that you didn't care. It's,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: How many years did you do Curb, Jeff?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: We did Curb. We did 12 times. We did 121
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: episodes over 20 years. Yeah, we had a bit of
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a break in between.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: So when did you become a Cub fan?
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: The day that I was born. Just like comedy, I
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: was born into being a Cub fan.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: So in other words, when you came out of the womb,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I could look at your face and say, he's a
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Cub fan.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Well, since I was, I became really conscious of the
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Cubs at eight years old.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Eight?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Was it through anybody?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Seven years old. I started getting cards,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and my first card, I even remember, I got it packed, 1969, tops.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: It was a Don Young rookie card with two other players.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Don Young is famous for dropping a ball that really
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: hurt the Cubs because 69 was the great collapse.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: For the Mets.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: The black cat and everything?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the black cat, yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So he made a mistake, and I don't know where
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: he went after that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Do you remember Joe Pepitone?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Well, of course I do.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you guys, he played for the Cubs.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: He replaced Ernie Banks.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: That's a tough one.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but his personality was fun, and people in Chicago
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: liked him.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I know on Curb, Larry had, like, a guy walking
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: around with a..
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Pepitone jersey.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my Pepitone jersey, my Pepitone, because I'm obsessed with
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Joe Pepitone.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: You know who it was, the guy who stole it? Who?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Ken Young.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Ken Young?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: That might have been his first job ever.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: He stole it out of the dry cleaners? Yeah, he
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: was wearing it, right? And Larry was going crazy.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, our Buckner episode, to me,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: sometimes we surpassed greatness. We were like, this is unbelievable.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And the idea that Buckner catches a baby falling out
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: of a building, which has much more weight than a baseball.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: And he caught it, and he was a hero. My heart.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: And he was the best guy to work with. He
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: was a good cub. He was a good Red Sox player.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: He was a good baseball player.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: He was a great player, man.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: He was a borderline Hall of Famer.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, people blame the manager on a
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: lot of levels, which I would too. Why don't you
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: have a defensive replacement?
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you know he has a bad back and
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: you know he can't bend, they should have put the
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: guy Stapleton or whatever there.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: So anyhow, you know who also got started in that
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: episode was Mookie Betts.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, Mookie Betts?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And they met at a card show. They were signing
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: at a card show in our show. He was great too.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Who was your favorite Cub?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: My favorite Cub?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Like your five favorite Cubs.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Well..
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Sandberg, one of them?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Sandberg is the one.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: He is your favorite?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: He's my favorite. He was the first one..
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: See, I knew how to guess that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: He was the first one, like, when I was a kid,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ferguson Jenkins, Ron Santo, all are
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: in my heart.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: In your heart, yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: But Sandberg, you know, he came upon the Cubs when I...
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: was in high school. And so, no, even after high school.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: So as a young man who could think, he was
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: my guy, he was the first guy. I even remember
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: him playing third base Because WGN, you watch in Chicago,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: third base, and I think he went 0 for 30-something
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: to start his career.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. People, you know, Hall of Fame career started
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: 0 for 30.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Sandberg, right?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yep. And the Cubs stuck with him. I don't know
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the story behind that, but I'll find out. I will.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: You remember that game, Game of the Week?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: The 19-18 or whatever. That's a wild game. Cardinals and
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the Cubs.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That game, I mean..
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: It's an insane game.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: But he single-handedly... He had a hell of a game, right?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Hell of a game. It's a classic. You can see
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: it on YouTube. But Sandberg is my guy, and I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: got to know him and be friendly with him.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Good guy?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a great guy. But I remember, like, these things happen,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and you go, this is not really happening. So I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: got to know him, and we became very friendly.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I remember I was going into Harry Carey's Italian restaurant.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: There was this whole thing about blowing up a ball.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was. but I was going
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: there to be part of it, so was Rhino, you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: to be on camera and do the whole thing. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'm walking and I'm talking to somebody, and I hear
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: somebody go, I'd recognize that voice anywhere. And it was Sandberg. So,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: you know, of course, I'm sitting there thinking, like, my
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: hero would recognize my voice anywhere.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you have a distinctive sound.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, but that's still surreal.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: And I still appreciated it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: To this day, you see me, you know... Anytime something
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: like that happens.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Have you made a lot of money with that voice?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: With that distinctive voice?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: No. I'm surprised more people haven't.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: All right. My voice has been in three animated movies
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and three classics.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. WALL-E. Okay.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Which won Best Picture, Animated Picture. I was the captain
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: of the ship. Toy Story 3 and 4, but 3
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: is what I'm talking about, nominated for an Academy Award,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: won the Academy Award, and I played Buttercup the Unicorn.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And there was a movie called Paranorman, made by Leica.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So if I work with Pixar and Leica, Leica's a
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: great company. They did Coraline. So this thing called Paranorman,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I was his dad.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: And..
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I have never been hired for an animated movie since.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Since? Yeah, but at least you had Toy Story.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: No, not at least. WALL-E is, to me, the greatest
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: thing I've ever done is WALL-E. Really? Yeah. WALL-E is just...
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I worked three years on WALL-E. I never saw a
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: second of the movie or even... How do you do...
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: What's it called when you go in a loop?
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Voice over?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: ADR. ADR, yeah. So my approach to ADR is I
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: don't look. I listen.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: They tell me what they want. I keep my head
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: down the whole time.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, you don't look up?
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Nope. As soon as I hear the beep, beep, beep,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I've already heard the rhythms. I say it. If it's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: a second time, I'm surprised. You always have to do
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: a second and a third.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: But I nail it the first one every time. Really?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: So my point of that is not to say how
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: great I am at looping, which is an interesting thing
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: to be great at.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: How come they've never paired him with Seth Rogen? I
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: don't know why.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. I have a story about that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I'm looking and I'm laughing to myself going, Seth Rogen
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: kind of sounds a little like Jeff.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: No, a lot like.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: A lot like?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Like he could be your son?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yes. But hold on, hold on.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: That's a funny idea that nobody's ever picked up on it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Let me just make my point.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: About Wally, and then I'm going to get to Seth Rogen.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I jump all over.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: By the way, look who you're talking to. Interrupter, ADHD.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: So when I went to the premiere of the movie,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I had never seen anything. I had no idea, seen anything,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and I watch it, and then I started weeping at
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a certain point because I couldn't believe I was in something...
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: That beautiful.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: That perfect.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: That timeless. And it blew my mind. So that feeling
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: stays with me.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: You never lose that.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now as far as Seth Rogen.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Seth Rogen.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: We're friendly. I love Seth. He's a great guy. I
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: went to go see a movie that he was in.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: The premiere. I don't remember what it was. And this
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: is a long time ago. And he said, I want
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: you to meet with his parents. Lovely people. And then
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: he said to me, you should play like my father
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: in something. And at the time, I probably was in
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: my early 50s and he was in his mid-20s. So
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: all I thought to myself was, no. I didn't say anything.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: that would be rude. And I walked away going, play
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: your father. No, play your friend or a thing. Now,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: why haven't I played his father? Or his uncle. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: actually came up with an idea.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Because hearing the two of you on the scene would
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: be kind of funny.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I think it would be great.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's almost like you're hearing yourself back to each other.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I would work great with him. I know that.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm sure you guys comically would.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I came up with an idea for he and I
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: is to play father and son fighting over the same woman.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: That's funny. Yeah. Now, that's funny.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I'd watch that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go pitch it to him. You should. Because
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: my girlfriend stays on me.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: How old is the woman? How old would she be?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, the woman?
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: In between.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: In between.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The young one's going after an older one and.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: The old one's going after a young one.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: We've never seen that.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I said it here. So if you use it, no.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: We're not trying to steal it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about your viewers.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, all right.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Hey, Nick, don't use that. No, anyhow, maybe I'll talk
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: to him about it. Maybe he'll see this and go.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: That's a good idea. I think it's a great idea.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: And if Seth Rogen sees it, I don't know him,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: usually I should do this.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy. Yes. And if he sees it,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know what his reaction will be. It won't
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: change how he thinks it will.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: No, not at all, but it would be a funny comedy.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It'd be a funny comedy.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, whatever, even if it's just..
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Because the two of us wouldn't try. No. We'd just
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: play it real.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you would play it real.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: 84, does that hurt that year?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: For the Cubs?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it does hurt. It does hurt. It hurts
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: a lot. I remember, first off, I remember when they
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: clinched in Pittsburgh, Ron Say jumping into, maybe it was
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Sutcliffe's arms.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Sutcliffe, yeah, yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh, 84. And then I forgot. So
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: we played the Padres. Right. And it looked like we
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: were killing them. We were like up 2-0, whatever. And
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the bottom fell out.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the bottom fell out. And then it did it again,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the Bartman stuff.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, the whole Bartman.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: But Bartman, a good guy. And by the way, why
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't anyone talk about it? There were like eight other
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: people with their arms out.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I know, that poor guy.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: That poor guy.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: With the headsets and this and that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: By the way, I had another movie I was going
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to do called Searching for Bartman. It doesn't mean anything now.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: No.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Because we won. And I think they awarded him, they
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: gave him a World Series.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Did he ever show up again?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: By the way, if he did, he wouldn't be wearing
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: a hat and glasses.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: He would just be a guy.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I never heard his voice.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: No one ever did.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: He's like the biggest mystery.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: By the way, he did the, well, that's why.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Did you watch the doc on him?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, of course. The thing about it is that
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: shows how brilliant he is.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: If you were, like for me right now, I got
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: to tell you.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Like wouldn't you defend yourself? I'd like to live 11
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: months of the year in Hawaii. in Maui.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Right. And I'd have a little gig once a week
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: at some little club.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And I'd come to town to do a tour, to
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: be in something, but I'm out. That's where my, I'm out.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I'm too old. My thing is, I love what I do,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: and I feel that being a comedian is a responsibility. Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Because my job is to spread comedy and joy, especially now. But, Man,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: when I love to live just far away and nobody
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: knows who I am, I cut myself off like Bartman.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother says that.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Well, your brother gets it. You don't feel that way.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Because I feel like even though I'm famous, I feel
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: like I'm amongst the people. I don't know why.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: By the way, I get it. By the way, I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: don't think it means that your brother or I don't
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: love what we do. But it's not, and you know this,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: if it was just the work, and you do the work,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I hate fame. I hate it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: It's overrated.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wanted to be a famous comedian, and I'm
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: joyous about that. But when you're in the papers, you're
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: on online social media, they don't look at you as
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: a great artist or a comedian.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: They look at you as your fair game.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: You're in the wild.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I'm a bear in the wild.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Once you join that world, which I've joined now, too.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: You know, the world now, social media, all that.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm on Instagram, but I curate what I follow.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I curate it. So when things pop up on my page,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I love it. And if they don't, there's three little dots,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I think, on the top there. And you click it
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and it gives you a choice to never not interested.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Don't do anything. this again. So I keep it curated.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: So when things pop up, I have great interest in them.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Yes. But again, every once in a while, I did
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the other day, I talk on camera. I'm bipolar and
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I have, they call it severe ADHD, but I talk
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: about my mental illness and that really rings true. I
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: talk about baseball and.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Mental and mental illness.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: That's pretty much my topics yeah I was talking about
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: the price of baseball cards you're really bipolar yeah I'm
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: really not fake bipolar I know that goes.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Around no I mean it's not a light.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: No I know it's not a light thing yeah and
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: it's difficult you know but I'm I'm medicated and I
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: have therapy at least twice.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: A week and when did you discover that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: This is the weird thing I'm about to be 64
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I discovered it at 59 oh wow and I've been
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: bipolar my whole life and I Only at 59. My
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: ex-wife and my partner, they did an intervention. And they
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: took me immediately. They had set it up to the
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: psychiatrist who we knew. Not as a friend, you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: older guy. But, and he asked me for like two
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: hours questions and talked with me. And he said, my
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: assessment is you're bipolar. Really? Yeah. And then I got
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: tested more as psych eval and All the stuff.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Did you have a sense in your life that you
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: were that way?
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Hold on.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I knew there was something wrong with me.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Because I was like a wind-up toy. And I couldn't stop.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: And then also I'd have periods of great darkness and depression.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: And the way I dealt with it was to remind
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: myself that it's going to end. Because it always ended, obviously.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: But when you go into those extremes, that's bipolar. If
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: you even do it on a daily day, like today,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: maybe even my ADHD showed up. Because I'm not, I
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: take my ADHD medicines as needed.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Does that help?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, it does.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Because I have a hard time focusing.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. I have no hard time focusing with you here.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I have no hard time doing Curb Your Enthusiasm focusing.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I have no hard time, I don't have a hard
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: time going to the baseball card store. I have to
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: do a bunch of menial stuff at home, and I'm
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: not talking about cleaning up. I'm talking about where I
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: need to get something done, I have to take it,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: otherwise I can't focus. So if you're interested in something,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I can go hours, whereas if I'm not interested and
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: it's like that, I can go, I think 20 minutes
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I can put in, a solid 20 on anything like
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: writing thank you notes or whatever the fuck it is.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: So I take it as needed. I didn't need it
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: when I came today.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Which is good.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: You just lost Catherine O'Hara, right?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, Catherine O'Hara.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: She's Second City, right?
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Second City. You've got to understand, when I was younger,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: we didn't include you, but a car alarm went off
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: right next to us, the horn really loud. So let
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: me imagine if we included you with that. How bad
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: would that be? All right, anyhow, we're talking about Catherine O'Hara.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Catherine O'Hara was..
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Brilliant lady, huh?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Brilliant, but the point I'm making is Monty Python, Fawlty Towers,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Serenet Live, the original Serenet Live. But most of all,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Most of all was SCTV. SCTV is the reason, by
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the way, I'm going to go as far as to
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: say this, without SCTV, there'd be no Curb Your Enthusiasm.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Because SCTV was, as a stand-up and an actor, such
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: a huge influence on me that... It led to, you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: me talking with Larry about this idea.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: So SCTV.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Because I only went to Second City in Chicago because
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I give Second City in Chicago a lot of credit,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: you know, for the way we do Curb and all that.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: But now that I'm thinking about it, it's just occurring
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: to me right now, SCTV is responsible. So if you
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: dig Curb and you appreciate Curb, watch SCTV. I'm sure
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of it's on YouTube. Anyhow.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So I... I loved her, like on a deep, I
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. Then I got to know her, and
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: she was as lovely as you'd want her to be, lovely.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: But she ended up playing Bam Bam, Marty Funkhouser's sister,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: who's mentally ill. I know, who's mentally ill, Bam Bam.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And I end up sleeping with Bam Bam, and I
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: have this other funny scene with her.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: But the idea..
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: That I even, we had to make the sounds of sex,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: so the sound guy and the director, we go into
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: this washing machine area of the house we were filming,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm making sex, you know, and she's saying, fuck me,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: fat boy, and all this stuff. And we're both moaning, moaning,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: you know, and I forgot the shit I was saying.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: You talk about surreal moments. I dissociated that I was
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: in that laundry room.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: You took yourself.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I was watching from here. and I'm watching going,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: this is the weirdest shit I've ever seen. I can't
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: even say. So getting to know her, knowing what an
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: angel she was and then getting to work with her.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: I count that as easily top 10, maybe top five
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: of my career.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow, that's awesome.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: She meant that much to me. Really? Yeah, all the
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: SCTV people. Yeah. But she was really in my heart.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Her and Candy. Although I loved everyone there and I respected,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I loved them, but I can't even watch
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the documentary. I know his daughter. You can't watch it? No, yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: It's just what, it's too dear to you?
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I can't even go there. I can't watch. I mean,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: his kids made it with, what's his name, Hanks. Colin
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: or something? Colin Hanks directed it. And I assume that
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Colin felt the same way about me, but it's sitting there,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: not even safe for later. I don't think I'll ever
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: be able to watch it because if I want to
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: weep for 90 minutes, certainly, but I don't.