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Breaking: Tigers make a statement in signing Framber Valdez · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into a special episode of Tiger Territory, part
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Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tigers podcast. I'm Karri
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Speaker 1: Stegley with me. Is always a man who was always
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Speaker 1: on call or text. He is go to s David Hay,
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Speaker 1: what we got? What we got?
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Speaker 2: Why you hear that siren?
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Speaker 3: For the first time in a long time, we have
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Speaker 3: an emergency pod. Baby, tell me if you saw this
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Speaker 3: one coming. The Tigers just signed from ber Valdez, the
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Speaker 3: best remaining free agent on the market, probably the top
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Speaker 3: starting pitcher on the market all winter, one of the
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Speaker 3: best left handers in the game. So not very long
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Speaker 3: ago we were saying, hey, these guys, they're probably not
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Speaker 3: going to do much, especially if they lose the Schooba
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Speaker 3: arbitration hearing. Well, as far as we know, they do
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Speaker 3: not yet know the outcome of the Schooba arbitration hearing.
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Speaker 3: At the time we were recording this, it didn't matter.
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Speaker 3: They went and cut a big check. Kieran, the team
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Speaker 3: that had had a pretty sleepy winner, done some things.
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Speaker 3: Brought back Glaber, brought back Jack Flaherty, added Kenny Jansen,
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Speaker 3: but no real splashing moves. They're dealing with some TV uncertainty.
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Speaker 3: They have this schooble thing looming over everything. Nah, forget
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Speaker 3: all that, throw it out the window. The Tigers just
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Speaker 3: signed from Bervaldez, biggest contract in the Scott Harris era,
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Speaker 3: biggest Tigers contract since the signing of Javier Bias.
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Speaker 2: This feels to me like a pretty big deal.
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Speaker 1: It is a big deal, And in the spirit of
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Speaker 1: full disclosure, we're recording this just before eleven o'clock Eastern time.
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Speaker 1: We obviously do not know the result of the school arbitration.
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Speaker 1: We had recorded an episode earlier today that talked about
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Speaker 1: some of the moves that Scott Harris, some of the
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Speaker 1: great moves that Scott Harris had made in his tenure
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Speaker 1: with the Tigers. That will publish later. So that is
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Speaker 1: why it is not in that episode. So just you know,
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Speaker 1: just you know, kind of inside baseball here. So, yes,
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Speaker 1: Tigers have agreed to a contract and still penning physical
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Speaker 1: like all those you know, all those ramifications there. But
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Speaker 1: it's three years, one hundred and fifteen million dollars. And
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Speaker 1: stop me if I'm saying anything that is incorrect, Cody,
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Speaker 1: there are deferrals. We do not know what the nature
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Speaker 1: of those deferrals are and there is an opt out
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Speaker 1: after the second year for fromber so that as a player
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Speaker 1: opt out after the second year. And the headline of
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Speaker 1: this is the money that the Tigers have put out there.
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Speaker 1: And I actually kind of want to go there. There's
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Speaker 1: a million ways that we can kind of start here,
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Speaker 1: but I do want to like say what this says,
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Speaker 1: like ask like what this says about the Tigers and
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Speaker 1: how they view twenty twenty six because that's really like
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Speaker 1: the most pressing thing right to me. And I just
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Speaker 1: said this a couple hours ago, but you guys are
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Speaker 1: gonna view it and listen to it later. Is like
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Speaker 1: one of the good things about Scott Harris and his
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Speaker 1: regime is the ability to pivot and go in different directions,
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Speaker 1: even somewhat unexpected. What we said in the previous episode
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Speaker 1: that will again be released later is like the glabor
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Speaker 1: Torus signing. This is another example of you know, quite
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Speaker 1: frankly more expensive and bigger example of the Tigers pivoting
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Speaker 1: and going in a unexpected direction. With from Bert Valdez,
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Speaker 1: this to me signals twenty twenty six is a year
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Speaker 1: to win, when what we'll see but a year to
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Speaker 1: win because now you're starting rotation looks a hell of
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Speaker 1: a lot healthier. It's also more expensive and also way
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Speaker 1: more experienced Cody than I mean I can remember in
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Speaker 1: quite some time, especially when he comes to postseason experience,
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Speaker 1: and certainly more than you have ever covered. Like this
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Speaker 1: is a veteran Leyden experience, all star rotation that the
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Speaker 1: Tigers have and they paid for it with fromber So
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Speaker 1: I guess the number one thing is what does it mean?
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Speaker 1: Because a lot of people that means a lot to
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Speaker 1: a lot of different people.
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Speaker 3: To me.
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Speaker 1: To me, what it means that the Tigers are all
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Speaker 1: in too strong, but all a board, I guess is
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Speaker 1: maybe how'll I see it into twenty twenty six, because
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Speaker 1: again this could have with some flexibility, which again is
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Speaker 1: a Scott Harris staple, but all aboard in the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six about making a serious run at the division
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Speaker 1: and trying to punch through that ceiling that they've had,
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Speaker 1: which is the Alds. So that's that's what it says
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Speaker 1: to me. Does what does it say to you?
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it says it says they're serious.
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Speaker 3: It says that they are not content just running it back,
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Speaker 3: you know, like we have talked about and kind of
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Speaker 3: debated so long. It tells me also that the Tigers,
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Speaker 3: a strength of theirs is being opportunistic. Would this have
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Speaker 3: happened if from Bravaldez, if his market were different. There's
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Speaker 3: a guy at the Athletic had initially projected him to
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Speaker 3: get I think seven years and one hundred and ninety
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Speaker 3: six million.
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Speaker 2: His market kind of tanged. Now he can't say at
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Speaker 2: fully tenks.
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Speaker 3: He's getting thirty eight point three million a year before deferrals.
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Speaker 3: He's getting one hundred and fifteen million. But it's not
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Speaker 3: the mega deal, it's not the long term deal. We
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Speaker 3: know the Tigers like their flexibility. He hasn't opt out,
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Speaker 3: So if this goes well, it's going to be two
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Speaker 3: years and done. I guess penning the labor situation in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven, but they pounced on this. It clearly
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Speaker 3: lowered into something that they were probably more comfortable with,
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Speaker 3: and they jumped at it. So I don't know if
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Speaker 3: in a world where from Bravaldez gets what he was
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Speaker 3: projected to get, maybe they don't make a move like this,
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Speaker 3: but it's telling they were still looking for ways to
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Speaker 3: upgrade this team, and they found one to their liking,
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Speaker 3: and they went and they did it. It's funny how
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Speaker 3: this seems to change the perception of everything. Maybe that's
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Speaker 3: a little bit knee jerk in the minutes and hours
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Speaker 3: right after this news breaks, but it went from Okay,
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Speaker 3: I mean they're pretty good, they might still be favorites
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Speaker 3: to win the division, but like, really is the ceiling
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Speaker 3: better to well, you might just have the best one
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Speaker 3: two punch in the American League. I mean, the saddle
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Speaker 3: Manners have a very good pitching staff, but outside of
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Speaker 3: the LA Dodgers, can anyone even come close to matching
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Speaker 3: Trek Skougel, the undisputed Cy Young winner back to back years,
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Speaker 3: and from Ravalde is a guy who has been nothing
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Speaker 3: but rock solid and really good. By the way, two
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Speaker 3: left handers. You know who has a lefty heavy lineup?
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Speaker 3: Your division rival, Cleveland Guardians. I don't think they're gonna
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Speaker 3: want to see the Tigers in another three game series
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Speaker 3: or even a five game series this time around. I
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Speaker 3: think it strengthens this rotation. One thing I had settled
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Speaker 3: on a long time ago. I think the Tiger's best
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Speaker 3: path to win, to really be better might be to
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Speaker 3: be to be improving their pitching. For as much as
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Speaker 3: we've focused on the offense and people have wanted a bat,
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Speaker 3: Tigers were seventeenth in ERA last year, which is hard
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Speaker 3: to fathom, especially when you have the cy young win
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Speaker 3: you're on your staff. Their rotation broke down, thinned out
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Speaker 3: toward the end of the year last year. I think
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Speaker 3: it's reasonable to expect they're going to be better, and
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Speaker 3: they now just might be a lot better. They could
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Speaker 3: have that top five type pitching staff if Scoogle can
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Speaker 3: remain healthy, if from Bravaldees can remain healthy, which he
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Speaker 3: has a track record of mostly doing.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 3: Look, I don't know that you want to overreact. There
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Speaker 3: are some potential risks we're going to talk about here
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Speaker 3: in a minute. But man, I think you feel a
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Speaker 3: lot better about the overall shape of things given that
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Speaker 3: you went out and you made a real addition.
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Speaker 1: So the shape of things, I want to focus on
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Speaker 1: that here for a second. Twenty twenty three three point
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Speaker 1: two War, twenty twenty four, four point two War, twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, three point eight war for from bird, that's
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Speaker 1: an average just for three years, just for three years.
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Speaker 1: And then we have a graphic up on YouTube that's
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Speaker 1: more than that, but just for three years, that's all right. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: that's all right, that's the right, it's all it's all good.
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Speaker 1: Three point eight war. I use Baseball Reference here just
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Speaker 1: for this, just in the spirit of full disclosure. The
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Speaker 1: last time the Tigers had a starting pitcher not named
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Speaker 1: Terrek Skoogle that had a three point eight WAR in
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Speaker 1: a season, you have to go all the way back
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Speaker 1: to Matthew Boyd in twenty nineteen. So if you're trying
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Speaker 1: to determine, like what does he actually add, like what
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Speaker 1: what are the Tigers adding to the rotation here? That's
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Speaker 1: what they're adding. They're adding a bona fide studge to
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Speaker 1: their lineup, just based on three year average and a
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Speaker 1: guy who, look, he's thirty two. Could you argue his
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Speaker 1: prime is more behind him than in front of him. Yes,
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Speaker 1: but there are plenty of indications that he is still
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Speaker 1: a highly valuable pitcher in the last three years. Reflect
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Speaker 1: that as well. I want to make mention that he
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Speaker 1: has eighty five pitches excuse me, eighty five innings pitch
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Speaker 1: excuse me in postseason play. That is something that is
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Speaker 1: also worth mentioning. And look, since aj Hinch came to Detroit.
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Speaker 1: There has been a natural incliniction to project and predict
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Speaker 1: that the Tigers might get one of these former astros
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Speaker 1: to come to Detroit. To this point, unlesst the Marquis
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Speaker 1: has not been the case. Yeah, that has now changed.
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Speaker 1: This is the first for aj Hinch, and you have
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Speaker 1: to imagine which I'm gonna set you up here in
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Speaker 1: a second, Cody, you have to imagine that any considerations
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Speaker 1: with from Bravaldez, the guy would have to have gone
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Speaker 1: through AJ and he would have had to have been
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Speaker 1: endorsed or okay with at the very least what the
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Speaker 1: Tigers are doing. So that is something that everyone's gonna
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Speaker 1: point to. The mix up. They're gonna be nice about it.
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Speaker 1: Then mix up that happened last season is very is
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Speaker 1: gonna be top of everybody's minds. But if we were
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Speaker 1: any other team, I would be more concerned about it
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Speaker 1: than I would be the Tigers given the AJ Hinch connection.
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Speaker 1: So what's the fair way to kind of go about that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's an important part of this whole
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Speaker 3: discussion and probably the answer to why the Tigers got
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Speaker 3: from Bravaldez on a three year contract. There are clearly
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Speaker 3: teams a little worried about the makeup aspect of things.
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Speaker 3: Otherwise he probably would have been paid like a pitcher
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Speaker 3: who has been basically a four war guy for the
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Speaker 3: past four seasons.
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Speaker 2: Instead, the market wasn't quite there.
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Speaker 3: Now the aav is still high, but the length, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's a signal teams weren't willing to take that risk
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Speaker 3: of a guy they're not sure about. I would say
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Speaker 3: Aj Hinch and Scott Harris both have a little Taylor
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Speaker 3: Swift in them, but Daddy I can fix him right.
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Speaker 3: Aj Hinch has some confidence in his psychological genius, but
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Speaker 3: he also has a relationship with Fromber Valdez and that's
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Speaker 3: important to He managed Romber for two years in Houston.
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Speaker 3: He met with him before this signing. Does not surprise
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Speaker 3: me that Aj has confidence in his ability to smooth
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Speaker 3: over whatever issues may or may not exist. The Tigers
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Speaker 3: look they One thing I really believe is they have
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Speaker 3: created a good environment for players. They have a good
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Speaker 3: clubhouse culture. They probably think they can bring him in
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Speaker 3: without too much trouble, or at the very least that
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Speaker 3: his upside is well worth any risk. So we'll see
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Speaker 3: how this happens. He's gonna have to adjust to a
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Speaker 3: lot of things, a new team, new people. It's gonna
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Speaker 3: have to play, you know, from an indoor park to
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Speaker 3: pitching in freezing cold weather all the time. We'll see
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Speaker 3: how those things go over another Jake Rodgers. These guys
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Speaker 3: played together in the minor leagues up to up to
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Speaker 3: High A before Rogers was traded. So one of the
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Speaker 3: two catchers Valdez already has a relationship with. Now, if
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Speaker 3: you're not familiar with the incident here and alluded to,
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Speaker 3: I think the second half last season there was a
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Speaker 3: big hub ub what appeared to be Valdez potentially you know,
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Speaker 3: catcher called I believe curveball. Valdez through a sinker hit
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Speaker 3: his catcher with the astros in the chest. It kind
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Speaker 3: of appeared to be intentional. Valdez had a indifferent reaction
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Speaker 3: in the moment. It was strange. Now, all parties denied
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Speaker 3: it being intentional, but it was a thing. It raised
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Speaker 3: a lot of questions. Why, you know, that's not something
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Speaker 3: you can do to your teammate. So maybe it's im
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Speaker 3: born that at least one of the catchers there has
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Speaker 3: caught from Bravaldees in the past, has some experience with him,
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Speaker 3: probably knows how to communicate with him. That may be
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Speaker 3: no small thing in this either, even if it's Dylan
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Speaker 3: Dingler who ends up catching most, if not all, of
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Speaker 3: from Bravell does his innings. So those are some of
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Speaker 3: the factors at play. I think pitching wise, look Fromber's
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Speaker 3: still really good. He is an elite ground ball pitcher.
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Speaker 3: I think ninety seven percentile in ground ball raid and
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Speaker 3: he's like that every single year. Tigers tend to have
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Speaker 3: success with ground ball pitchers. Infield defense will be interesting.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they have the greatest infield defense in
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Speaker 3: the world, but they're pretty good at positioning. It's worked
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Speaker 3: for them in the past. The guys who really struggled
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Speaker 3: in recent years have been Charlie Morton, Can Tomata, Chris Paddock,
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Speaker 3: more fly ball type guys. So he's gonna get you
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Speaker 3: a lot of ground balls. He doesn't necessarily help you
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Speaker 3: miss more bats. He's middle of the pack, but he
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Speaker 3: didn strike out eight to nine guys per nine innings,
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Speaker 3: so not shabby. A lot of sinkers and a curveball
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Speaker 3: that's really good at a curveball that can miss a.
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Speaker 2: Lot of bats.
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Speaker 3: This a guy who's thrown a no hitter before, so
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Speaker 3: when he gets rolling, he can be dominant overall. Look,
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Speaker 3: he's not tek Skubel, but he's been rock solid. He's
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Speaker 3: been consistent, he's been durable, and you gotta think that's
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Speaker 3: worth the risk here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly worth the risk. And and and again,
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Speaker 1: like people are gonna get heavily attached to the average
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Speaker 1: annual value deferral aspect, how it compares to the schoolble
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Speaker 1: arbitration stuff. That's all separate, Like, that's all separate. This
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Speaker 1: is it's an expensive short term contract even if the
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Speaker 1: player option is not exercise, So that that is that
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Speaker 1: is worth noting as well. I did want to get
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Speaker 1: to a little bit of a winners and losers list.
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Speaker 1: The winners obviously valid as he gets paid you know AJ.
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Speaker 1: This is this has AJ written all over it. Again,
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Speaker 1: like at the very least a sign off from AJ
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Speaker 1: had to be a part of this, the losers thing,
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Speaker 1: because we spent a lot of time. I mean, we
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Speaker 1: had Troy Meltain discussions out the Wazoo Cody that are
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Speaker 1: now largely Troy because Troy Melton, as the you know,
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Speaker 1: injuries can happen. We all understand this, But as the
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Speaker 1: projected starting five is currently constructed, Troy Melton's on the
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Speaker 1: outside looking in as a starter, and then as is
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Speaker 1: Drew Anderson, who was given a contract and will enter,
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Speaker 1: and we'll still enter spring training as will Meltin obviously
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Speaker 1: as a starter. So now this there will be a
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Speaker 1: battle for the number five spot all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: is you know, pending an injury, it's kind of set.
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Speaker 1: Your five is kind of set. So that's so those
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Speaker 1: are some losers there, and you know what, I'll throw
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Speaker 1: Scott Harrison and Chris Iloch in there because the number
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Speaker 1: one criticism was the inability to go out and get
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Speaker 1: guys and spend money. And how do you feel about this?
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Speaker 1: This is an example of going out and get a
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Speaker 1: guy and there's spend as some money, so like, so
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Speaker 1: they have to be winners there as well. So the
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Speaker 1: like problem solved for some of your spring training content, Gody,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about a number five starter
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Speaker 1: battle to write about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I had written that this was going
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Speaker 3: to put the Tigers' financial principles to the test, talking
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Speaker 3: about the schoobol Ar deal, the TV stuff, the idea
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Speaker 3: that the Schoobol arbitration case was going to weigh heavily
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Speaker 3: on whether the Tigers got another picture of substance. Well,
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Speaker 3: maybe it did put things to the test. I don't
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Speaker 3: know exactly what went down, but it turns out they
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Speaker 3: went out and they spend, and they spent in a
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Speaker 3: meaningful way. Scott Harris and Chris Illich definitely looked like
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Speaker 3: winners here, and I've already gotten several text messages about it.
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Speaker 3: This doesn't look so good if the Tigers just turn
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Speaker 3: around and trade Schooble. Right my understanding, at least in
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Speaker 3: this moment, Tigers are keeping Trek Scouble and so again
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Speaker 3: you might just have the best one two punch in
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Speaker 3: the American League, certainly one of the best ones two
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Speaker 3: punches in baseball without any question. Yeah, I mean, what
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Speaker 3: a what a perception win, at least for relig hairs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I never and colored me naive. I never thought
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Speaker 1: this as it went down in the hours since, I
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Speaker 1: never thought this as any indication that they might look
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Speaker 1: to trade Terrek Schooble. Now, obviously it gives you more
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Speaker 1: options down the line if things get really bad. So
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Speaker 1: I'm not discounting anything like that, but just like here
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Speaker 1: and now and how we expect the Tigers to be.
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Speaker 1: I never thought that was a thing at all. Color
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Speaker 1: me naive, but I never really thought that was a
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Speaker 1: thing at all. I thought this was made with the
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Speaker 1: intention of maximizing twenty twenty six with the options that
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Speaker 1: are on the table in terms of adding to your team.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is a This is a like the
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Speaker 1: Tigers are now going to be at the tops or
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Speaker 1: you know, in the top charts or whatever, of having
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Speaker 1: spent this offseason because of the glabor qualifying off, because
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Speaker 1: Jack Flaherty opted into his contract, because of getting Canley Jensen,
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Speaker 1: because of this contract here, and if schoolbl wins arbitration,
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Speaker 1: that's you know, either way, it's an increase. But you
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Speaker 1: know he wins arbitration, that's quite an increase as well.
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Speaker 1: So this feels, like I said, and all aboard tight move.
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Speaker 1: I don't think this is a move to make to
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Speaker 1: be able to trade Tarrek Schooble. I don't think that
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Speaker 1: at all. Color me naive, Like I said, I don't.
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Speaker 1: I didn't put that in there. And for whatever it's worth,
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Speaker 1: contractually obligated but unsponsored, Arrek Schoobel segment. He shared the
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Speaker 1: breaking news graphic on Instagram live and and put a
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Speaker 1: couple like horse emojis on there or whatever. So he's like,
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Speaker 1: it seems like he's excited to have another horse in
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Speaker 1: a liyap given everything that's going on with him and
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Speaker 1: his personal financial situation with the Tigers. So to me,
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Speaker 1: this is not a move without risk. This is obviously
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Speaker 1: you know, this is an older picture, but the framework
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Speaker 1: is there, the track record is there, the connections are there,
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Speaker 1: the experience is there. It's hard for me not to
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Speaker 1: feel overly optimistic about what this could mean. I certainly
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Speaker 1: didn't feel about this way about Alex Cobb last year.
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Speaker 1: I certainly, even though he was coming off a World
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Speaker 1: Series Whin, didn't feel this way about Jack Flaherty. Like
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Speaker 1: this does feel like a more serious move that the
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Speaker 1: Tigers have made in quite some time. And maybe I'm overreacting,
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Speaker 1: but that's what you do when you do an emergency podcast.
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Speaker 3: It might be the biggest move the Tigers have made
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Speaker 3: in my time covering them. I mean, Jave Bayas was
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Speaker 3: the biggest contract and there were red flags there and
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Speaker 3: I think it was very easy to see that going wrong,
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Speaker 3: even more so than the from Ravaldez deal is now,
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Speaker 3: Eduardo Rodriguez was a big deal. I think Frombert objectively
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Speaker 3: has been more consistent than Eduardo Rodriguez ever was. Trading
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Speaker 3: Estoc Paradis for Austin Meadows was a really big win
20:25
Speaker 3: now move at the time that just didn't work out.
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Speaker 2: But this is spending, this is when. Now, this is
20:31
Speaker 2: taking on a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Of a risks of playoffs.
20:35
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was about to say.
20:37
Speaker 3: You have a playoff team now and you're making this
20:39
Speaker 3: type of move, which I think is an important distinction.
20:43
Speaker 3: And again this signals pitching. It might be the Tiger's
20:47
Speaker 3: path to victory, regardless of if the offense is better
20:50
Speaker 3: or the same or worse. If this pitching staff can
20:53
Speaker 3: stay healthy, it could be really really good. Jack Flaherty,
20:59
Speaker 3: Casey May's results, and not to mention for Melton, Drew
21:01
Speaker 3: Anderson and the prospect of getting some contribution from Jackson
21:05
Speaker 3: Joe before the end of the year. Also, have we
21:07
Speaker 3: not brought this up yet? All Scooble Flarty mice free
21:12
Speaker 3: agents after the year. Fromer, He's going to be with
21:15
Speaker 3: you for at least one additional year. So it's not
21:18
Speaker 3: planning into the unlimited future. But if Scoobale walks, hey,
21:21
Speaker 3: you're keeping your lefty lefty ace type and getting a
21:25
Speaker 3: fully healthy Jackson job, you feel better. We already feel
21:29
Speaker 3: better about the twenty twenty seven Tigers, assuming there's a
21:31
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven season than we did two hours ago.
21:38
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that is a good note, and that's kind
21:41
Speaker 1: of what I was mentioning with like the flexibility there
21:43
Speaker 1: and and all that stuff. But okay, so if the
21:47
Speaker 1: offense is the same or marginally better, your pitching staff
21:53
Speaker 1: should be substantially better and that should result in an
22:00
Speaker 1: improved team. So everything's got to play out. But I
22:04
Speaker 1: like what the Tigers have been able to do, and
22:06
Speaker 1: that's not even you know, not even mentioned I know,
22:09
Speaker 1: mentioned Jansen, but that's not even to mention like what
22:11
Speaker 1: should be like a better, more at least diverse and
22:16
Speaker 1: flexible back end of the bullpen and in addition to
22:20
Speaker 1: everything else. So this is this is a come up
22:26
Speaker 1: for the Tigers right here. I'll be honest with you,
22:28
Speaker 1: This is a come up for the Tigers right here.
22:30
Speaker 1: Come up to level paying guys, come up to status,
22:35
Speaker 1: making making like assurances to the fan base that hey,
22:39
Speaker 1: we're serious about this year. And then lastly, I just
22:42
Speaker 1: wanted to put this out there. Do not buy into
22:46
Speaker 1: any I'm gonna try to be kind here, any people
22:51
Speaker 1: that are just trying to get a reaction on social
22:54
Speaker 1: media saying that this is an indictment of how they
22:57
Speaker 1: view Trek Schoogle, that they only we're willing to give
23:01
Speaker 1: Trek Schoogle nineteen million, but they'll pay Fromber an average
23:06
Speaker 1: of thirty eight. These are independent all right, This is
23:10
Speaker 1: not like, oh well Schoogle said no to nineteen so
23:13
Speaker 1: we're gonna pray fromber this like like that's just ignore that.
23:18
Speaker 2: Just ignore that.
23:19
Speaker 1: Just ignore that. There's a lot of that out there
23:21
Speaker 1: already and it's going to continue. Just ignore that. That
23:23
Speaker 1: would be my last piece of advice. All right, anything else,
23:26
Speaker 1: Cody before we wrap up this spot.
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Speaker 3: I think that's all I got for now. We're going
23:30
Speaker 3: to talk in the coming days to Scott Harris, maybe
23:33
Speaker 3: a J. Hinch from ravaldees himself. We'll digest this a
23:36
Speaker 3: little more, read up a little more, scout up a
23:39
Speaker 3: little more, and we'll be back with a lot more
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