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3 Guys Before The Game - Search Continues & Georgetown Game Preview (Episode 598) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Welcome in, Welcome in. My goodness, looking down this big
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  Speaker 1: list of episodes. You know we're two away from six
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  Speaker 1: hundred ninety eight.
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  Speaker 2: You get a cake for six hundred. What episode that
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  Speaker 2: cake come in? One hundred? It might have been some
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  Speaker 2: might have been the greatest cake in the history of cakes.
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  Speaker 1: Heaviest cake, heaviest cake thing. Weighed about eighty pounds. It
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  Speaker 1: was really good. It was in the summer. Hopy you
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  Speaker 1: weren't around. We digress. Go ahead, welcome three guys. Before
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  Speaker 1: the game is underway. Any news, Yeah, title is search
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  Speaker 1: continues and Georgetown game preview will hit both those topics
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  Speaker 1: and more plus textual healing is coming up.
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  Speaker 2: That should have been the title.
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  Speaker 3: What's it? Any news? Anything happening? Goodness?
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  Speaker 1: You could have done that.
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  Speaker 1: nice G three John boats available at Luwanda Marine. All right,
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  Speaker 1: here we go. Everything dates really super quickly when you're
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  Speaker 1: in a coaching search mode. So this is five of
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  Speaker 1: December and just a little bit after lunchtime we're rolling again.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows things happen. What we do know is that
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  Speaker 1: we've got conference championship games coming up this weekend, which
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  Speaker 1: is going to impact the WVU coaching search or the
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  Speaker 1: accessibility that athletic Director Rin Baker has in talking to
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  Speaker 1: potential clients. Not that all of them are involved, but
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  Speaker 1: some are involved, and so as a result, you've got
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  Speaker 1: to do some zoom calls and then when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to face to face contact probably starts to happen Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even happen Saturday if you play on a Friday,
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  Speaker 1: or are some of those as well as you well know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a regular. We begin each program with Hoppy's
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  Speaker 1: obvious observations.
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  Speaker 3: Who still don't have a sponsor, but still doing it.
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  Speaker 1: We do have something before Christmas. You will receive something
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  Speaker 1: based upon Hoppy's obvious over observation. That's all I'll say.
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  Speaker 3: Good, all right, thank you. Well, a lot to unpack here,
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  Speaker 3: Let's see, let's start with let's start with this Rin
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  Speaker 3: Baker is. We know from previous searches he's very organized,
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  Speaker 3: very analytical, and very tight lipped. He's pressed friendly, but
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to coaching searches, he keeps a tight lip.
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  Speaker 3: You don't get much leakage from him on these searches.
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  Speaker 3: That's number one. Number two is there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: social media talk and just general talk about rich Rod.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's for two reasons. One is that Brad,
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  Speaker 3: you don't know who is out there, you don't know what,
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  Speaker 3: you don't know about other coaches, but everybody knows rich Rod,
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  Speaker 3: so it's natural that and he's probably looking for another job.
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  Speaker 3: At Power for so it's natural that his name would
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  Speaker 3: come up a lot, But that's the amount of attention
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  Speaker 3: he's receiving is disproportionate. I think to how how serious
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  Speaker 3: it is that he could get the job? You follow me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I would echo that at this point as
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  Speaker 2: we record as an overstated narrative at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so fair with that? Yeah, I agree with that
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  Speaker 3: overstated narrative, overstated narrative. And I think that and I
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  Speaker 3: just made up some odds. I'll bright how I the
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  Speaker 3: other day I made up some odds? What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: You made up some means?
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  Speaker 3: I made up some odds?
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  Speaker 2: What's he talking about? So?
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  Speaker 1: I took spreads on stats from your last episode.
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  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: You made up?
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy the Greek over there odds on the coaching search?
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  Speaker 3: I saw that you did.
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  Speaker 1: I did see that. What were you thinking of?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead?
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  Speaker 1: How'd you do that? What'd you use? What was your base?
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  Speaker 3: Just made it up?
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  Speaker 1: Was it that anecdotal or scientific?
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  Speaker 3: It was neither one. It was just it was all,
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, The odds of Jimbo Fisher being the
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  Speaker 3: next coach, I says, is one in one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred, one hundred to one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the odds of Rich Rodriguez being the next head coach,
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  Speaker 3: I said, is one in five.
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  Speaker 2: Five to one. Okay, Like, if you're gonna do your
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  Speaker 2: own odds, can we do that? Get the terminology right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, five to one odds, five to one, the odds
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  Speaker 3: of the field four and four to five, five to four,
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  Speaker 3: four to five. How do you say it? So?
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  Speaker 2: In other words, so the field's a heavy favorite. That
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  Speaker 2: field is a heavy favorite. That's what I'm saying. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think you made the heavy favorite there enough. Probably
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  Speaker 2: as we sit here today.
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  Speaker 3: As we sit here today, I would make the field heavier. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: minus ten thousand odds at this point, really minus ten
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  Speaker 3: thousands at least minus five thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Okay at this point. As with real odds, things are
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  Speaker 2: fluid and change based on information that may become available
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  Speaker 2: as it moves throughout.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I was just trying to put in perspective because
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  Speaker 3: there'd been all this attention about about Jimbo Fisher and
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  Speaker 3: about Rich rod and I wanted to provide what I
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  Speaker 3: think is reasonable perspective that those are not those are
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  Speaker 3: not the certainly not Jimbo, but those are not the
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  Speaker 3: likely choices for the next head coach, just to tamp
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  Speaker 3: down some of it's out there. And I just thought
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  Speaker 3: that was so well.
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  Speaker 2: As we went through this on the basketball search, the
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  Speaker 2: name that was out first and early was super overstated
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  Speaker 2: in terms of where the process was at that time
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  Speaker 2: and ultimately where the process got to. So I do
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  Speaker 2: think that's the and that's listen, I get that's the
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  Speaker 2: public interest in the information that is pushed out around
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  Speaker 2: coaching searches. There's very little concrete information that is out,
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  Speaker 2: as you mentioned, from the one person that has the information.
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  Speaker 2: So the speculation is quite frankly part of the fun part,
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  Speaker 2: I think for fans just to be able to speculate
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  Speaker 2: and debate on what may or may not happen. But
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  Speaker 2: I think also to remember early on, especially some of
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  Speaker 2: the narratives are wildly overstated in the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed, And there's not a lot of leakage because Rihn
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  Speaker 3: Baker is just is just not doing it. Number one
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  Speaker 3: and number two is that he has the support, He
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  Speaker 3: has the confidence of the board of Governors and of
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  Speaker 3: the president of the university. I know that for a
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  Speaker 3: fact that they have their they have confidence in the
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  Speaker 3: job he is doing and the choice he will make.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm also some of the members of the Board
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  Speaker 3: of Governors say they have confidence in Rin Baker, so he.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't and they say in Ren we trust similar to.
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  Speaker 3: That, so he may. I'm sure he'll keep those people informed.
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  Speaker 3: And certainly Tony when he wants to hire somebody, he's
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  Speaker 3: going to run it by Gordon Gee. But barring something
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  Speaker 3: out of the blue, Gordon ge is going to sign
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  Speaker 3: off on what Rin Baker wants to do. So that's
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  Speaker 3: why there's not a lot that's just out there about it.
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  Speaker 3: And you would think you'd get a decision pretty quickly
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  Speaker 3: early next week, because the longer it goes on, that's
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  Speaker 3: typically it's like a it's not good. The longer it
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  Speaker 3: goes on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, But remember though, there is just like we learned
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  Speaker 2: a basketball and Tony just alluded this, there is a
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  Speaker 2: matrix that's involved in this in terms of when people
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  Speaker 2: are playing schedules there. So there are some factors that
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  Speaker 2: come into this.
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  Speaker 3: One other rich Rod point and I doubt if you
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  Speaker 3: and I are exchanging Christmas cards these days, but I
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  Speaker 3: have no hard feelings there. But I did ask in
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  Speaker 3: an anecdotal poll, not scientific, should Rich Rod be among
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  Speaker 3: the candidates for the w coaching job. Seventeen hundred votes online,
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  Speaker 3: fifty seven percent No, forty three percent Yes. What does
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  Speaker 3: that tell you? Again, that's just a take on the
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  Speaker 3: general public that if you brought Rich back, it would
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  Speaker 3: be a bit of a split decision. Right. There'd be
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  Speaker 3: those who say, Wow, that's great, he had success here
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  Speaker 3: and let's get back to those days. But there's others
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  Speaker 3: still have a bur under the saddle about how he left,
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  Speaker 3: and it would be a controversial choice. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 3: it would be a bad choice. It would just be
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  Speaker 3: a controversial choice. Agreed that it'd be a controversy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, Okay, there would be some division still
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  Speaker 2: among the fan base if rich were to ultimately be
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  Speaker 2: the choice. Tony, you mentioned some games coming up, and
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  Speaker 2: Rich is certainly one of those that has a game
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow night, Friday night, a second consecutive game for Jacksonville
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  Speaker 2: State against Western Kentucky that comes up tomorrow at seven o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: The two lane, two lane Army game kind of an
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  Speaker 2: interesting one to watch. There are a couple names that
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  Speaker 2: are out there. John Sumrl at Tulane that took over
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  Speaker 2: for Neil at right, was he immediately after Neil at Troy.
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  Speaker 1: No, there was one in between, and then Lindsey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, then he came it was a chip Yeah. Then
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  Speaker 2: Summrrell came in, had success there, then went to Tulane,
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  Speaker 2: took over for Willie Fritz has had a good year there.
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  Speaker 2: And then Army's Jeff Monkin. We've talked about on this show.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really intriguing candidate, not just here. I just
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  Speaker 2: think that's an interesting conversation point across college football. A
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  Speaker 2: guy that's done a wonderful job at Army, one of
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  Speaker 2: the toughest jobs in the country, that's not debatable, done
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  Speaker 2: a great job, but runs a unique offense triple option. Right,
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  Speaker 2: There's been a lot of discussion should you bring a
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  Speaker 2: triple option to a Power four program? Number one if
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  Speaker 2: you don't is Monk and still is viable a candidate
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  Speaker 2: if he runs a different offense. It's just an interesting conversation.
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  Speaker 2: We talk so much about the leadership and management that
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  Speaker 2: somebody's going to hire Jeff Monkin in the next couple
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  Speaker 2: of years. I would think, right, he's at a lot
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  Speaker 2: of high level success that's a name to watch. And
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  Speaker 2: by the way, Army feels like it's got half its
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  Speaker 2: season left still.
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  Speaker 1: They still got to play Navy, playing the.
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  Speaker 2: Conference championship game, then they still got to play Navy,
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  Speaker 2: then they going to their bowl game.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up almost twenty five percent of their regular season, a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of games, a lot of games are still going.
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  Speaker 2: Also Friday, coming up that game Army in two lane,
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  Speaker 2: eight o'clock on ABC, and then UNLV Boise comes up
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  Speaker 2: eight o'clock on Fox. That's a game of interest right there.
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  Speaker 2: Boys having a great year, UNLV having a great year
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: The going back just this is just college football in general,
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily specific to West Virginia, but the Jeff Monkin,
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  Speaker 1: you know possibility that is, that's going to be just
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  Speaker 1: super intriguing because if you talk to people, the thing is, well,
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  Speaker 1: he runs the bone, and we go, well, he won't
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  Speaker 1: run the bone if he goes to a power for school.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you take a kid, do a little
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  Speaker 1: deep dive on him. His fan I started looking at him.
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  Speaker 1: He's got twelve people in his family that have coached
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  Speaker 1: either high school, college, or pro. His brother is the
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, and you know he's
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  Speaker 1: he's had several stops, including the Georgia Southern Thing where
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  Speaker 1: he hooked up with Paul Johnson. They ran bone. But
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  Speaker 1: he also early on in his career has been at
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  Speaker 1: a place or two that doesn't run the bone.
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  Speaker 2: But you're right, why do you keep calling it the bone?
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard anybody say.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, it's it's flex bone, right, It's flexbone, is
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  Speaker 1: what it is? What do you call it?
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  Speaker 2: A triple option?
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  Speaker 1: Wish?
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  Speaker 2: I've just never heard bone. That's the truncated version that
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  Speaker 2: you're going with. I've never heard it as frequently as
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  Speaker 2: you've just used it in the last minute after ever
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  Speaker 2: runs good stuff, the bone. It's a bone, whet. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: ever says bone?
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  Speaker 1: What's hoppy? What's that look like? It's a bone?
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  Speaker 2: I am trying just fight. I'm just saying nobody says it.
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  Speaker 1: When when he runs the triple option? No. So the
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  Speaker 1: really interesting thing is like, who's going to have the
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  Speaker 1: confidence to pull the trigger and say, yeah, I know
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to run that here. But as we've
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  Speaker 1: often talked about, this is about as much being a
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  Speaker 1: CEO and a manager and again, you know, our buddy
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Zach Spiker coached an army basketball and you don't go
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  Speaker 1: for a four year recruit there. You have to sell
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  Speaker 1: them nine years in, right, four plus five And those guys,
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  Speaker 1: if you can recruit there, chances are you could probably
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: you know Zach always Zach always used to say, you know,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: you recruit him and then there's a very strong chance, right,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: they're going to go out into military significant military conflicting,
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  Speaker 1: they graduate as officers. I mean that is a big ask. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I just find one of these days he's going to
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  Speaker 1: get hired, and then it's going to be really interesting
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  Speaker 1: to see when he doesn't run the triple option or
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  Speaker 1: the wish Man or the bone the.
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  Speaker 3: Bone or the bone is some say, just out of curiosity,
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  Speaker 3: would it just be crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, to run it? Yeah, because Paul Johnson Georgia Tech,
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  Speaker 2: and the risk there is maybe fine, why you're doing it,
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  Speaker 2: But as soon as you decide to move on from
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  Speaker 2: that coach, which as we know, that's sooner and sooner,
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  Speaker 2: you're left with a roster that doesn't even remotely fit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what you're what the next person is going to do?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, you just really for most you can't. Certainly
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: in a West Virginia perspective, you can't. The only way
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I think you take a chance on that. They talked
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: about that at Kansas a couple of years ago when
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Kansas was still as bad as you could be. What
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: did they have to lose by being different? And they
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: weren't comfortable pulling the trigger there. It would have to
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: be somebody so desperate for change that you try it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: But he's fat. You're right, not specific to West Virginia,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: So don't go write a bunch of articles here. The
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: three guys said Jeff Monkin is going to be the
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: next coach. It is an interesting discussion. I would be
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: surprised if he's not somebody you talk to as part
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: of that either the widest net or a wide net.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It would shock me if a guy having that success
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: at that place, which is a hard job, and as
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: we have said, I think you want to talk to
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: folks that have won it hard jobs, because this has
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: elements of hard job to it. So it would shock
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: me if that wasn't a conversation in some form with him.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: But I just think he's an interesting candidate at some
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: spot in the college football landscape.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, so philosophically, let's also have this conversation. Again, this
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: is general terms. I think it's it has often been
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: successful at West Virginia University in both football and basketball
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: when you do do something which is unique or a
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: little different or significantly different than the teams that you play.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I e. When Rich was here, he took a power
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: spread attack and played it at a high speed, utilizing
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. Now you can go back and say, well,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: that's what they used to do in the fifties, you know,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties. But he did it like based
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: upon what he had and he ran power spread and
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: as you guys know, opposing teams were like, what the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: hell are you supposed to do with this?
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Canada say, had some option print piples to it based
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: out of the spread formation.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: That was different. And then what were you doing on defense?
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: The odd stack that now everyone runs right? And then
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: everyone heavily criticized when Jeff cass Steel was here, what
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: are you running that odd stack front? Can't stop the rush? Well, okay,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: what's everyone run now? Odd front? Okay, Iowa State, how's
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: that working? Pretty good? Five safeties anyway, So you were
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: different when did West Virginia have peak success in basketball
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: with Bob Huggins. What were you? We'll go before that,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: start with John b John Beelin spread. He John Beelin
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: was playing today's basketball when he came here in two
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: thousand and one. He spread the floor, took a five
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: out and the five all of a sudden makes a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: mismatch for you inside. Make your big come out and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: guard Kevin's your big. And so that's what everyone's trying
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to do. Now, that's what West Virginia's doing right now
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: with a Moani Hansbury stepping out. You were different one
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: three to one zone defense. Not a whole lot of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: teams if any were using that, that became West Virginia's
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: calling card. You were different. Press Virginia, you were different. Okay,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So to all of that, I say, it wouldn't scare me.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: If what now, I'm not saying run the bone. I'm
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: saying but I but I end saying whomever comes in right,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that could be from Jeff Monkin to Andy kotal Nikki.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I had to get it in. I had to get
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: it in. But you have to be a little bit different.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I think at West Virginia because day in and day out,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: personnel wise, you can be you know, you can kind
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: of be, even with a lot of teams that you're playing,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: but this could take you over the edge.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, now go first, I'm sure go further down that line.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: The different being different doesn't just have to be running
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the bone something like that. It can be and you've
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: seen this through the Big Twelve, the Big twelve transition
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: from Dana's arrival, everybody was air raid, throwing it out,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: throw it all over the field, seventy sixty three type scores.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: To what did it become? Suddenly a tight end was used? Oh,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: they're using two tight ends? What's iwa state using? They're
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: putting three, six, seven tight ends out there? Sometimes four
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: defense is starting to be played. There was a switch
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: within this conference to become more physical and more defensive driven,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: which I think is part of the reason now when
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you hear defensive coordinators or defensive minded head coaches as
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: possibilities for head coaches, you don't freak out five, six,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: eight years ago, what would you have said, can't go defense,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: don't want to go defense. Now there's still some hurdles
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: with looking at a defensive guy first, but that's certainly
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: way more acceptable than it was eight to ten years ago,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: because that's part of how the game is changed. Getting
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: back to some defense in physicality. Okay, go ahead, sorry,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I cutch you out.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Just what did Don Neeland do? I mean don Nieland
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: came out of the Big ten in Michigan, which was, uh,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: you know, line up three yards? And what did he
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: do when he got major?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Don does not get the credit he deserves for being
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: open to change. And then when he had Mark Balger,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a guy that could release the ball like instantaneously changed
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it for that spread changed it with major, had hostel Er, great,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you know, wonderful pro set type quarterback? Did that? I
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: mean Don's magic was that he didn't say this is
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: what I run right right?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And if you talked to a lot of coaches, they
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: say that they always have the most respect for guys
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that can do that. That just say, all right, what's
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: our personnel. That's how we're that's how we're going to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: operate and run the offense.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And that's what John Beeline did, right. You've changed when
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: he went to Michigan. I mean, well he was at
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Lemoyne his way up.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: He continued to evolve.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: It didn't have a point guard. His uncle's in the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: coaching business, and he was bemoaning to his uncle and
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: his uncle said, Map, he goes, why don't you just
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: canceled the season?
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: This guy?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: The hell? You don't have a point guard? You said,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: use two guards if you don't have one. Okay, started
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: studying European basketball, two guard front. That became his mantra.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: He was a two guard front guy. Didn't have to
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: necessarily have a great point guard, but you could just
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: play with two. And it caused all kinds of confusions
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: for other teams. What are we doing? Who's the one?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Who's the point guard? Right?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Old school? When old school? Junior high? Two point guards?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: All right? Well, just just random thoughts, just some random thoughts.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Are you going to move on to basketball now? Because
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: before you do.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Do you have any other football you'd like to add
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to this?
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Go ahead, because you Tony, you brought this to
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: my attention. We were talking about the Rin Baker press conference,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: and you came back from it and you said, the
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: lead's going to get buried here, and you were right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: So you got me interested, and I went back and
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: looked at what he said and did some more research,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: and you're correct. The most significant news that came out
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: of that was not that the search is under way.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: We know that and all the things he was going
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: to say. But when he said, quote unquote, we do
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: expect I added my emphasis there, we do expect to
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: be at or near the full participation in rev share
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: revenue sharing once we determine that football number. There's a
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: substantial amount of rev share. That's a big part of
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the job now. So he said that West Virginia would
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: be at or near the twenty point five million dollars
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: in revenue sharing, and that represents the twenty two percent
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: of the average of the athletic department budgets of the
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Power five schools as per the court settlement, which is
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: still need to be finalized. But everybody's working in that
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: direction now. That is significant, Tony, as you pointed out
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: to me, and I started nosing around on that because
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you're hiring a coach, rad what's the coach want to know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: nucas not how much money I have to spend on players. Yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: So here's Baker making a point and what your schedule
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: is gonna be, yes, making a public statement that the
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: money will be at or near there. So I think A,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: that's significant. B. Then the legwork which the university is
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: cobbling together, which the athletic departments calling together, how do
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you get said money? Because it ain't lying around, is
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: not lying around. So what we do know, although the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: specifics are a little bit bigger right now, what we do
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: know is that the athletic department believes, and I think
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: accurrently that football and basketball and baseball, that these the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: primary sports soccer, that these sports are the face of
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the university more than anything else, and their success helps
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: create the image and impression of the university and helps
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: drive enrollment. So the athletic department has no problem Rin
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Baker has no problem going backbread to the academic side
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: saying we need some help, We need some help here. Yes,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: we've been self sustaining forever, but now the landscape has
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: changed and we need help on the university side. Now
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: that can come in four five different ways, but that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: where we are now.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And he outlined that the other day when he talked
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't even a little bit further than that, talked
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: about why and said, you're in the bottom third of
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the league when it comes to some of those resources
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: with expectations in the top third, right, So get your
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: spending up into the top third, and and that covers
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of areas that wasn't just straight player acquisition costs.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: That was across the board. Get that up into the third,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: then that should match and come in line more with
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: expectations and results. That's that's just part of it. We
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: can bemoan that all we want. That is part of it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: It's not the only factor. It's not the end all
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: be all. I've said many times on here West Virginia.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I think in football and basketball still has to have
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: an element of development, development to it, more so in
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: football because there's more numbers, so there does have to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: be a balance. But the money is, there's no doubt
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that's important. And bringing it in house, if that can
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: add some university support to it. It's why Tony, from
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the very beginning of this process we talked on this
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: program about that was ultimately where it was going to go.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: That was that was clearly obvious that it would end
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: up here inside the department because it has to. These
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: departments want to make their own decisions, not let others
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: make their decisions for them. And quite frankly, it's the
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: best source of dollars that you.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Have, sure, and that's where that's where it should be.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: And and this may I think the goal too is
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to get some get some control over NIL, which now
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: is pay to play, and get away from pay to
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: play and get more to revenue sharing. And if you're
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: going to have an INNIL deal, it is there's a
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: legitimacy to what you're being paid for what service you provide.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: That that's a whole nother angle we'll talk about later.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: But I do think this at least provides some functional
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: guard rails for the majority of schools. As as throughout
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: college history, college sports history, there are schools that will
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: go above, beyond and around what the rest are doing.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: This at least provides for the bulk some framework that
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: everybody can try and operate within.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: A closer yeah, I think it provides. It provides some
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: equal potentially, you would like to think provide some equalization.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: You're right, you're not gonna You're still not gonna be
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Texas or Ohio State. That's just but but you never
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: you never were, you never were. But the other schools just.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Take your league like you can't worry about what is
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: specifically the Big ten the sec are doing now because
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: their dollars are different, But within the Big twelve, it
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: does try and provide some guide guardrails within.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: That, some guard rails, some guardrails and some equality.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let me do two things.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Okay. One.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Several weeks back, I said, I think it was on
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a Sunday show that whether or not Neil Brown is
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: retained is to a degree immaterial because the most important
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: thing was an Il. And I said, more better players.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: And I said you got to get more better players.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: And some people took, I don't know, great offense and
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: had a field day umbraid with that. Well, I maintain
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: West Virginia needs to get more better players. And this
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: commitment that the university is making to the athletic department is,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: as you said, it's a seminal moment in wv's athletic
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: department history to be able to get to the table
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: right off the bat. That's one. Two, let's talk about
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: how this is changing. Let me throw a name at you,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Randall Stevenson. Do you know Randall Stevenson, Yobby, Yes, I
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: don't know Randall Stevenson yet. Randall Stevenson is the former
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: CEO of a company called AT and T. Heard of it, Yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: at and T. He took a new job this week
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: at his alma mater and Randall Stevenson. At AT and T,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the annual revenue topped out about one hundred and eighty
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: billion during his tenure billion one hundred and eighty billion. Okay,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: He's going to go to Oklahoma as a graduate, got
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: an accounting degree there and he will be non paid volunteer.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: But he is taking over the role at Oklahoma as
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: the new head in essence, the president of Oklahoma football.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Think about it like a professional team as a president
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: of the team, That's what he will be doing. He
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: has been named as the executive director to the President
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and athletic director to oversee the university's implementation of the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: upcoming twenty million dollars in house payments. So he will
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: oversee their football program and figure out exactly the structure
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: of it. Here's what Joe Castiglion said, the athletic director.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: He will help us guide into restructuring our budget for
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: this new world of college sports and into developing a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: football structure with elements similar to professional sports teams. This
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: includes building out a more expansive general manager function and
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: developing a dynamic model that will allow Oklahoma football to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: become a national gold standard around talent acquisition, portal management,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and player development. So we've been tskond of saying, we've
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: been hint, hint, hint, hint. Well, here it is. Oklahomas says,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, and here's what's going
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to happen. This will be a trickle down effect. Well, yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I mean then that schools will have to do this.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Well, Andrew Locket at Stanford, Okay, yeah, and at WVU.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: A name less well known but associated with with WVU
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: before and also in politics is rob Alsop. Rob Alsop
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: was specifically hired to be that person right to figure
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: out how this is all supposed to work. Because there's
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: not a template. You got to you gotta figure it out.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Well, not only is there not a template, there's nobody
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: with experience right right right, because nobody's done this. So
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the we say this all the time in college sports,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: it's not the philosophy that's hard to get to. It's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the implementation of the details and so managing through this
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: with with lawyers and courts and lobbyists and all of
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: that that that's a that's a whole skill set in itself,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: above and beyond how much you should pay your quarterback.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: So all of that matters. The ability to understand the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: salary cap is going to be important. There's going to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: be capologists on staff that know what the formula is.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And listen, there's guys already doing this in this space
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: right now for different programs, guys that live in this
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: world of the talent acquisition. There's a formula that's in
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: place that they use on how much money do I have?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: How much is the market bearing? Can I get him
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: for less? What can I do to give him less?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: How many years does he have remaining? What can I
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: get him for? Like, that's already in there. That's just
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: going to continue to get refined over the next couple
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: of years.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: And just one of the issues associated with that, can
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: you do that in a way that most of the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: money flows to the revenue sports but not violate any
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Title nine the big part of it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it sounds as if if you, if you
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: read into this or talk to the people that are
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: trying to implement, there's not great guidance on that just yet.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a guessing process on how
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: do we do this here, and probably some lawsuits coming
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: before you ultimately get that part figured out.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: You're right, I think it's I think it's fascinating.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Fascinating because you're not dealing with it day to day.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: If you were dealing with it day to day, you
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: would not call it fascinating, would not be the term
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: you would use. But outside looking in, it is fascinating
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: because it's changing again in just the matter of a
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: couple of years. It's changing again the face of what
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: college sports look at.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: But it's I think that has the potential because we
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: all accept the new reality right of where the money's going. Sure,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: so I think it has the potential to be changed
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: for the better.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I think so if you can, yeah, to me, it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: thrilling that WVU is ready to do this thing in
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the top third of the Big twelve. To me, that's thrilling.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Now you've got to get the right people in charge
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to make sure that you spend those dollars wisely.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: God.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's one part of it, and I forgot
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the other part.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: So now then you need some people within the sports
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: that know how to acquire talent if you go in
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and misevaluate and get people that aren't good enough that
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you're paying for or you've overpaid for, you've got big
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: time problems. And I don't care who you've hired as
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the coach.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: What are we seeing the pros all the time? What
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: do they do? You fire the general manager?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that part is now going to become
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: as important as the X and O coaching is what
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: were you able to do? Did you misidentify guys in
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the portal? And if you did, you're out? Can you
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: hit on those guys? And then how can you spend
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: your money? The last wave and we'll move on because
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: we've got a lot of time to talk about this
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: in the future. The one last piece, though, that is
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: not in place, that will come at some point. There's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: no player representation at this point. That's the difference between
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the pro leagues. We're almost all the way into a
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: pro model, except there's no other side that collectively bargains
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: correct for the players. Somewhere along the line. That's coming,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and that's the missing piece for right now exactly you
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: ready go?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So I check the numbers.
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  Speaker 3: I think we one of them was already made on
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  Speaker 3: the previous show, Friday Night Team back Home coming off
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  Speaker 3: great success. Name opponent should be a great crowd for
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: the game of the Conloseum number one. Number two is
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Ed Cooley's second season as the head coach at Georgetown.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Actually this should be season zero, right because last year
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: was so bad.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he got left with nut ten.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: With Nutt and went nine and twenty three, two and eighteen,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: So hold on.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Hold on to add to that, how about this number.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: This is staggering guys four and fifty five in conference
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: play over the last three seasons for Georgetown. George, Georgetown,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: one of the all time great brands.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Okay, so everybody left except one or two players,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: which is probably a good thing since they were two
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: and eighteen in the league, seven and one so far
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: this year. But bright as you would say, opponent adjusted
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: opponent of justin one power for opponent Notre Dame. Notre
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Dame whacked him. Jayden Epps. I'm sure you'll talk about
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: him since he's the leading scorer who's back. So he's
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: a name that Georgetown fans are familiar with and we
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: got to talk about as you will. Thomas super Sorber.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Sorber super Sober, Tom six ' ten using sixteen points
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: nine rebounds, was a highly recruited player so they are
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: in top fifty recruit. They are in rebuild mode. Rebuild mode.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: That's all I got.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Really well done, hop thank you, welcome, Thank you for
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: participating in this.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you really good.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: That's the obvious.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame rank seventieth and the Ken Palm ratings every
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: other opponent for them to fifty eight or low worse.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: So this is an issue when first road game for
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the Hoya is. But it's two similar teams. Guys. From
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: this standpoint, you look at the at the first four
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: or five guys that Georgetown's going to roll out, you
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: just named a couple of them right there. Add in
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Malik Mack who was a Freshman of the Year out
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: of the IVY League last year, transferring in from Harvard.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Ad in Micah Peev who we've seen at Texas Tech
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and TCU. He's a high level player, especially defender. The
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: top end of both of these rotations are filled with
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: really good players. This is this is going to be
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a fun game to watch what the hoy is coming in.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You hope ultimately one of the differences again step up
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: in competition for them one and two going on the
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: road for the first time in front of with hop,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. Based on tickets sold right now,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: assuming you have a good student picket ticket pick up,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: this should be a good crowd. This should be the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: best one of the year.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: What's that mean?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: This should be ten plus and trending up based on
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the other ones. Again, a lot of that depends on
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the folks that have already purchased tickets coming and sitting
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: in the seats. But this has the potential to be
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: one of those games again, coming off the two wins
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: that you just saw on the successful trip and name
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: and a past rival like Georgetown coming in on a
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Friday night, this could be a fun night in the coliseum.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Georgetown overall likes to turn you over. Who's that sound like?
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Hop? Yeah?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Much like West Virginia. Hoya is tenth nationally in turnover percentage.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Here's what's been impressive with them. West Virginia has been
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: able to do this too. The Hoyas have done that
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: without fouling. They're twelfth nationally in opponent free throw attempt rate,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: so a lot of steals, a lot of turnovers for
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: their opponent, but they're not fouling you. In an effort
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: to get a lot of those turnovers. They Georgetown averages
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a points off turnover advantage of nineteen to eight per game,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: so plus eleven points points off turnovers, Tony, what's when
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: west Virginia's keys to this season scoring points off turnos
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: soft turnovers? So very similar here too, teams that are
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: going at it. If you talk to coaches, Tony, what
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: do they say about Ed Cooley offensively? He runs good stuff,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: runs good stuff and runs a lot of stuff, so
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: they make you prepare for a lot of different sets.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: If you talk to basketball folks about Darren DeVries, what
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: do they say, Tony.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: He runs good stuff and he runs a lot of it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: There. It is very similar here. So this is a
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: matchup of two really good coaches, high end talent on
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the top end of the rotation, for sure. A couple
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: other things. Let's look at West Virginia as it relates
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: to this game as well. But a big reason for
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: West Virginia's early success, Tony just said, it's points off turnovers.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But let's niche that down, Hopy, would you like to
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: you please the kind of turnovers that make coaches most
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: crazier live ball turnovers. So you turn it over while
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the action is still going and the other team can
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: get a runout. West Virginia averages right now one point
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: two five points per possession off a live ball turnover.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I'll put that in context for you. If the season
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: ended today, that would be in the ninety fifth percentile nationally.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So one of the very best teams in the country
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: at converting those live ball turnovers into points. West Forrey's
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: defense leading to its offense. But how about this, Tony,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: you'll be interested in this one. You're ready for this. Sure,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: West Virginia in the ninety fifth percentile in that category
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: if it ended today. The flip side, West Virginia's opponents
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: just zero point seven points per possession on a turnover
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: from West Virginia. That would sit today if the season
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: ended in the sixth percentile. So you're killing teams off
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: their live ball turnovers. They're not hurting you off yours.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Darren talks about turnovers first and foremost, Right, Tony, the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: first thing you say to Darren is what are you
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: looking at on the stat sheet? What's most important? He
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: goes right to turnovers. So West Virginia's had a couple
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: of games where it's turning it over more than he
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: would like. But it hasn't on a whole killed g
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: yet in terms of points for the other team, So
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: that's something to watch. This is a Georgetown team that
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: will look to attack you in that area. One other
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: note part of West Virginia's success in that category. How
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: about these numbers. Hop West Virginia's shooting sixty five percent
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: from the floor on two point field goal attempts off
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: a live ball turnover. You win some games if you
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: shoot sixty five percent from anywhere time. How about from
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: three fifty six percent from three off a live ball turnover.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: So getting it in transition and getting a shot up
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: pretty good. I'll go further. West Virginia has been really
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: good in the first ten seconds of the shot clock,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: top twentieth percentile in points per possession if the season
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: ended today, shooting sixty three percent from two and thirty
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: eight percent from three in the first ten seconds. I
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: think those things overlap a lot, right, You get a
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: live ball turnover. What are you trying to do? Yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: thoit because you've got numbers, don't bog down when the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: defense can get set up. So I think those things
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: are interrelated. Now flip it around, Tony. We saw this
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: against Gonzaga and Arizona, two team that get out and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: run and wanted to run, run heavy tempo and try
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and beat you down the floor. West Virginia's holding teams
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: to forty four percent shooting from two point land in
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the first ten seconds of the shot clock. That is
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: in the ninety eighth percentile if the season ended today.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: They're getting back on transition and forcing you to have
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: to run. Stuff.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Stop stuff, stop. Think about this now, put these into context.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: This is not like you've played, with all due respect,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I won't even say a team's name a bunch of
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: bad teams. Right, You've played Pitt, You've played Gonzaggar.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Top twenty five, Top play five.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Louisville good, and you've played Arizona Top twenty five while
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you played George. I mean, this is not this is
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: not I mean, we got some cream, got some cupcakes
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: coming up here after Georgetown until you get into the league.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: But so these are these are solid numbers. These are
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: not incredibly inflated numbers like some teams are dealing with.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: It, and Georgetown's numbers might be inflated because of who
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: they played.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are really encouraging. Yeah, really say to you
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: if someone were to say to you back in October
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: when practice was just getting rolled in that hey, defensively,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: this is where this West Virginia team is gonna be
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: after however many games we played eight so far is
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: what it is. I think six and two, yes, five
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that we are throwing another one. Let's make it six.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: You would go like you would bet against that. There's
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: no there's no way they're gonna be able to do.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: It, and so yes, and then now, knowing what you know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: after you've watched Darren and how this program goes, you
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: would be even more thrilled with that number because that's
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: exactly how he wants to play. I think that's the
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the early season story to me is a roster with
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: all new guys except for o Frey, who's red shirting
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: this year. So all new guys that are playing the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: way he wants to play moving forward as a program
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: is exactly how they're playing. And again my disclaimer, you
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: don't have to tweet at me. There's bumps in the
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: road coming, there are losses coming. We all get that.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: You're a couple early fouls from one of five guys
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: away from being a loss. On any given night. You're
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: a key injury away from really struggling, get all of it,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: but for seven games in to be playing offensively like
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: you just witnessed in the Bahamas and in some other
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: games in the coliseum, and defensively, because what that means,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: So what Darren always talks about is being connected, being
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: connected defensively. Those aren't just one individual's numbers. That means
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you're as a team doing it as a whole. You're
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: getting back on defense, you're getting your hands on balls,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: you're getting steals, and everybody's contributing.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: What those numbers tell me, and again, you've played good
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: opponents so far, but what they tell me is that
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: you're fundamentally solid in a lot of different areas. You're
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: not going into this game but well, but you can't
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: shoot the freezer as well. But you don't get back
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: on defense. Well, but when you do get a turnover,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: you don't score. So all these things you're you're checking
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of boxes, youre bread.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're just playing, playing the way he wants to.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: You're moving the ball, the extra pass, your assist rate,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: number of baskets that you assisted on in that Arizona game,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: a ridiculous seventy eight percent. Seventy eight percent came on
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: an assist. Yeah, you're sharing it. I'll give you one
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: other number. We've talked about this. This is the most
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: mind blowing of all. This will normalize regression to the mean.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: But right now, West Virginia is tenth nationally in block
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: shot percentage. And as I said Darren the other night
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: on his show, I think unofficial, I have not confirmed this.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I'll work to do so your tenth overall and block percentage.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: You've got to be number one in blocks per inch
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: of height.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: You got to get his statu I got to work
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: But the block shots have been really an incredible surprise time.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Why is that great positioning defensively because and the main
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: guy leading that there's two Tucker's number one. Tucker blocks
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: a ton of shots for being a six to seven
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: guy that's not overly considered a leaper. You think just
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the right spot all the time.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I think we give a new nickname, Tucker the eraser devirees.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I think that's a valid for right now. And then
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: your other one not much of a surprise Sincere Harris
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: at six ' four on the rare chance you beat
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: him off, the dribbles, look out because he's coming backside
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: with some length of blo hockey. So those two guys
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: have been really good in the block shot category.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: League has not done great in the Big East Big
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Twelve Extravaganza. This week Villanova, who's not having a great year, right,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: they were four and four. They beat Cincinnati sixty eight
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to sixty and Providence absolutely took BYU to the woodshed
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: by nineteen. Those games were played on Tuesday.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: The Kansas last too.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: That was yeah, that was yeah, that was last night.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Wednesday are Wednesday games. Creighton lined up bat Kansas seventy
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: six sixty three.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: They couldn't have been more giddy that Kansas had to
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: come into their building. That's tradition, one of the harder
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: places to play hop. They filled that place seventeen thousand
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and it is hopping. That was a snake pit for Kansas.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Iowa State held its home court, won by eleven against
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: previously undefeated Marquette eighty one seventy cyclones of Dargian. Yeah,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Yukon Baylor was good. Yukon pulled away at the end.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: It was seventy six to seventy two. Oklahoma State, now
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: this was not part of the Big East deal. But
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone thought they were going to be absolutely
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a corpse. But they're five and two. They won at
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Tulsa true road game by twenty one last night, and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: then Texas Tech at home knocked off to Paul who
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: had not really played anyone on their way to a
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: seven and zero start. So they're seven and one. Tech
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: is now seven and one, and they won that game
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: seventy six to sixty two. But there's work to do
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: right now. The Big East leads four games to two
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: this evening, TCU a point and a half favorite on
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: its home floor to Xavier. Need to get that one, coach,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Coach Jamie, that'll be.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: A little bit of challenge.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a challenge, but you got to
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: get that done. Then tomorrow, I think West Virginia and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the what will the line be on that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Game that'll be hold on I'll tell you exactly little bit.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: If it's not out yet well recorded, should be in
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: that seven eight range.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, k State at Saint John's Saturday morning, eleven thirty eight. Again,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Hey stayed at Saint John's Saturday morning.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Hey stayed at Saint John's. All right, that's an interesting one.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's at Saint John. Yeah, it's in Karnasecond Arena.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It's not at the Garden. And then the Butler Houston
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Houston should be okay, yeah, and where's that at Houston
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: at Houston? Hop you're going to the Mountain your game
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: in Houston this year, don't you. That's what people say.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: What's the date?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll figure it out, Okay, Yeah, I playing jan fifteen,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: jan fifteen.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I was looking at the schedule today. The
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: dog gone Arizona. Wakat's gonna be here pretty quick.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Jan seventh.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: There's January seventh, they're here. You need to make it
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: to that one too.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing in that one. I do not think they'll
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: roll in here and overlook West Virginia. That's the only
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: downside of beating them in the Bahamas that you they
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: could have rolled in here in January seventh with hopefully
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a foot of snow and been all flipped out right,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: you jump them. There ain't no jumping there. You're going
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: off the line up.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: What a great but a great story.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Great story, right getting them in Atlanta?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean only that, But they're coming back
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: like now, now they're coming back. Oh yeah, really so
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: on your home court. That is just a great setup,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: right in terms.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Of college basketball. Yes, yes, yes, yes, well welcome. I'm
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: glad to have you on board there with the great
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: college basketball story. It's nice to have it on it.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Following what day of the week is the seventh? Is
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: that a weekend game?
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I hope of what Jan seven? No, Tuesday.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Students won't be here either.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Can I have tickets? You got tickets for me?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Take care of you. I'll get you too.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Two is good?
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Two good?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great, Okay, I've got more. But that's that's that's
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: suffices for now. That's the highlights.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: What's the uh where do you put the line.
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  Speaker 2: For tomorrow?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: You said seven seven, seven, eighth?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, gotta get it right, I mean, I know, yeah,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: this is you got to listen.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: This is one of those and again again bumps in
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: the road, challenges coming as you project out. And we've
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: talked about this to I think you brought up on
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the last show. These are important games as you get
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: down the stretch here, not just for a potential NCAA tournament,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: but n it right, these are gonna be games. We
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: say it all the time you come out of the
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  Speaker 2: gate and get the gonzagger like you did and have
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: backed up by Arizona, then you'd added a Georgetown in there.
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  Speaker 2: That should go on. I think that Georgetown team ends
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: up being pretty good this year, at least improves throughout
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: that those are important wins as they come down the
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: stretch because then it allows you again, I'm projecting way
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: out and I'm not necessarily predicting this as an nca
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: tournament team, but as you go through each week, hop
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and you want to position yourself in that that lessens
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the number of big twelve wins you need to get
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: because you're gonna get you know, your seven eight wins
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: in this conference and you're you're staring at one.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Tell me this brad Ken Palm has power ratings West
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  Speaker 2: Correct, shouldn't they be.
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  Speaker 3: A little higher?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably? Probably?
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, just wondered, wonder what you thought?
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  Speaker 2: I was just getting ready to read. Yeah, before we
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  Speaker 2: Go into textual healing. Some awards for West Virginia players.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: How about offensive tackle Wyatt Milem No surprise here named
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  Speaker 2: lineman Offensive Lineman of the Year.
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  Speaker 1: That's fantastic.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, good job for Wyatt. That's that's really a remarkable story,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: isn't it. With Zach and Milam in particular, Wow, stage.
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying for those two in particular,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I mean ad Nester that list. But Milam is going
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: to be a high level draft pick as well. T
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: J Jackson also honoredence. Good for him, and then Josiah
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Trotter we didn't mention the beginning who has entered the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: transfer portal was named as what was fresh freshman Defensive
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Freshman of the Year. Yeah, yeah, Big twelve Defensive Freshman
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: of the Year.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a bunch of awards that go out
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: during this time of year, but these kind of awards
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: when the coaches vote on them, like for Wyatt milem
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Like that's every coach going like, Wow, we can't dude,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: or we can't get by this dude in his case,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: and that's a great accomplishment. Same thing for TJ. Good
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Honorable mentioned choices tied in Cole Taylor offensive line in
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Nick Malone. How about the Nick maloone story. There another
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: West Virginia got great story Thomas Reemac and pac Man Fox.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: And Sean Martin. Another West Virginia guy.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Shud Or Sanders Offensive Player of the Year. Colorado cornerback
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter was the Defensive Player of the Year.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll pregg get theizement.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Arizona State's kendelling him took down his Coach of the Year.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: You know, one things as we wrap up Neil Brown's
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: tenure here, I think one of the things that should
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: be mentioned with him, he has done as good a
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: job as anybody that's that's run this program here at
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: the taking the West Virginia kids and getting a ton
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: of impact out of them. And we saw it under
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: most coaches. Dana is really about the only one where
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: you didn't see it a whole lot just because he
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't interested in taking those guys. But really everybody else
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: you've seen it. Don Neeland did that for years, right guys,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: and then Rich came in and had some success with guys.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: You always saw a couple that could be plugged in
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: and were high level. But man Neil got a lot
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: out of a bunch of guys. You just named him
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: right there, right one, keeping guys home than others that
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: were that began as walk ons that blossomed into positions,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: and Nick and Preston Fox are two prime examples of that.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: So kind of a throwback there to again a second
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: nelon reference. You know, Neiland did that, did that. Some
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: weren't many players, but he got some guys and over
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: four or five years they developed.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead to them.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: This is the most success I've ever seen West Virginia
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: cans have.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Ever, and some of that's because there's been more of them.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I thought they just managed that part of it really
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: well and got guys.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Well, what you did was Zach Fraser didn't leave your state. Yeah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Wyatt milem didn't leave your state. Right, you were smart
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: enough to go. You know. Nick Malone can play pac
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Man Fox, Hudson Clement Yeah.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Texter is the GM of the program tied to Neil
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: or Wren that we feel this position has been useful, successful,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: necessary or not unconfirmed. All candidates are being brought in
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: on pontoons from Lou Wendell to stay under the radar.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: See that tail number thing, Yeah, Lou Wendell bringing all
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: the candidates right down the Man River, just laughing at people.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: When they go through Star City, all the people are
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: looking up into the sky for the tail number. Lou
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Wendel comes down pontoon unmarked. You can visit Lou Wendelmarine
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Sales dot com.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: To learn how they're doing that dock there by the
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  Speaker 3: Earl Corps ARBRETAM correct.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: They just run them walk up the hill. They run
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: them up. In the spring, the bluebells they blossom there.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Just just terrific, great flower.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Real quick note here in the last forty five minutes
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: is first reported on sports Line last night. Dan Wetzel
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: now on board that Appalachian State has had discussions with
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Neil Brown about its head coaching job. That was first
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: reported on sports Line last night.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you, one little nugget.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Neil Brown will be on my public affairs program tomorrow.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Why is he bored now? Why you know they're asking
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: for a friend. Well, that's good.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Ten oh six tomorrow.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, right at the top in studio. Is he coming
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: in the studio?
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: So, oh wow, really good, good job, sparky, Thank you. Hoppy.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Is kind of like the barber Walters right of West Virginia. Neil,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: if you were a peach tree, what kind of fruit
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: would you produce?
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Well, this was my pitch, and that is an opportunity.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Usually you don't get this when a coach gets fired.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: It's like that's it for him to come in and
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: have a statewide audience to say some things. Now, what
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: is it he would like to say? I'm sure there's
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of things he would like to say. And
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: knowing Neil Brown is not going to be dumping on anybody,
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: it's going to be just a lot of emotion, a
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: lot of probably people he wants to thank, and Neil
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Brown's always been a class guy. Giving him that opportunity.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Now I have questions, and some of his answers will
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: prompt questions, but give him a chance to say those things.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I will ask don't tell him, I will
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: ask him about the appleaged state thing.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: He might not be able to make it. Who knows,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: he might be might be wearing a black and gold tie.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: You know what's a that's a good point. Probably shouldn't
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: say anything.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Then, So why'd you book him for your show? And
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I'll bring him on three guys?
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Anyway, moving ahead, I got yeah, see, no I
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: N team is there? Hop just just me?
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Hop, You're welcome, Welcome to listener, Come in.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at the house settlement roster limits,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: which which each can now receive a full scholarship. So
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: this is a really super long one. I'm gonna buzz
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: through this because I already answered him. Given our current
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: number of varsity sports, it looks like we'll have a
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: total of five hundred and fourteen roster spots. And then
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: he listed every single sport Okay, without adequate on il
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: how will we compete if we don't fully fund all
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: five hundred and fourteen scholarships. And then another full page
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and he breaks it all down. The rich and well
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: finance schools are going to get it even richer metaphorically speaking,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: because they'll fund full scholarships for each kid. I don't
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: think that's true. Ohio State's already come out they're not
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: funding every single scholarship. The long and the short of
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: it is this, and he asked how the revenue shared
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: dollars will be divvied somewhere in the neighborhood. Between seventy
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: and eighty percent, we'll go to football, right ten to
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: fifteen percent will go to basketball. The remainder will go
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: to the other sports. Okay, West Virginia and all these
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: other schools will not fully fill every scholars every roster
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: spot with a scholarship, And the majority of the money
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: is going to go to football and basketball men's because
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: those are the two sports that generate the money. That's
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: where the television dollars come from from. The conferences to
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: broadcast your football and your basketball games. So that's how
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: it is. Then he closed by saying, given that Hoppy
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: is from Parkersburg, I'm sure he has all the answers.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I don't quite remember what that was about, but I
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: missed it.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Not from Parkersburg, No.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: D from Charleston Rights. Now that Nil's era is over
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: and a new coach is under search is underway, I
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: have to really admit it sad. How did everything you
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: could ask for in a coach and for the state.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Great guy. I understand we didn't win enough and he
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: didn't do so good for him here, but I wish
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: the man and his family the best, and I don't
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: think he will win like he did at Troy, or
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I do think that he will win like he did
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: at Troy somewhere else in the future. One thing we
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: haven't mentioned since we started this episode is the big
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: announcement to ca out yesterday. West Virginia's going bowling to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: the Tutor's Biscuit World Coffee Bowl. That's right there. It
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: is the Tutors Biscuit World Coffee Bowl. I don't think
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: that's exactly West Virginia and the Memphis Tigers takes place
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: at Toyota Stadium, Frisco, Texas. Our fine friends at Tutors
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Biscuits with the what did what did you say, Brian?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's exactly right.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Could you put that back up again? Please? Oh they did?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Oh I see there might be a there might be
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: a typo, might be a typho in that crabbic. But
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: keep this in mind. Well there may not be a
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: bowl game played in West Virginia, there certainly are Tutors
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Biscuit Worlds over seventy locations, and when you get that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: hankering get yourself an award winning Tutors Biscuit visit them
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and plus right the four rounds Camo cup that hoppy
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: always uses. You fill that bad boy up for fifteen bucks,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: and every time you go in for the rest of
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: your life, it costs you the price of a small
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: coffee or a nice team.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: You know, we could probably get away with calling that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: the Tutor's Biscuit Bowl and probably wouldn't get into trouble
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: because it's all the way over in Dallas.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Probably get for it then, or we could just plead
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: right ignorance, which often happens to work well. Doug and Bridgeport.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Sorry to Seal Neil Go. He was a breath of
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: fresh air after Dana. I did get it. I do
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: get it. Wins matter more than character, they always have,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: that being said or Oliver Luck Torpedo Brown seven years
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: with a scheduling idiot idiocy should have been one rival game,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: a MAC team and one Fcsteam agreed. Had that been
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: the case, the record is way different, as would be
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: the perception. This season hard to evaluate. When it looked good,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: it was great, but then in the same game or
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: the next week, it looked bad. Love Garrett, he was inconsistent. Well,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I have got no clue, but it negatively affected the offense.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: We needed to get his completion up to sixty five percent,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: but numbers don't lie. Fifty eight percent, thirteen tds, eleven picks,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: that's reality. They had huge misses and the valuations of
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: portal acquisitions and the defensive backfield pretty good. Front seven
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: got killed by the lack of talent and execution by
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the d Becks. The only positive now is that Wren
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: is three for three on coaching hires. Here's hoping he
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: runs the streak to four for four, which I wish.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Head coach Neil Brown much success in the future.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Dug and Bridgeport Hey one real quick thing spreads on
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: stats of dendum mm hmm, speaking of Garrett, and we
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: can do more of this later. Just as you start
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: to unravel what were the areas that just weren't as
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: successful as the year before? You know, his completion percentage
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: was up. Getting all the way to sixty five was
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: probably too much of an ask, but the percentage was
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: up a little bit. Here's what was different you ready
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: for this other than Novice just the turners, there are
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: more interceptions.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: What do you mean is I don't understand. What do
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: you mean as percentage was up?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Completion percentage Garrett? Oh from last last season?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry, from last season?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, I got you. I got you.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Getting him from last season to the sixty five percent
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: that Doug mentioned there was probably too much of an ask,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: but raising it a little bit would have been fine
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: had all other things stayed equal. Listen to this number, though,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: I thought this was a big change in West Virginia's offense.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: And this isn't just a Garrett stat. The receiver's own
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: responsibility on this too, as does the entire offensive unit.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four Excuse me. Twenty twenty three, Garrett
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: had twenty was credited from Pro Football Focus with twenty
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: seven big time throws on passes of twenty yards or more.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: That's a lot. What is that? That's more than to
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: a game. He didn't play every game, so it's definitely
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: more too. Twenty seven big time throws versus three turnover
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: worthy plays twenty seven to three big time throw to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: turnover worthy last year. This year, nine big time throws
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: to three turnover worthy plays, the same number of turnover
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: worthy three times less big time throws on plays of
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: twenty yards or more. That deep ball, that explosive hit
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: that we talked about so often last year, that overcame
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: the ability to throw underneath because you just kept big
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: playing people, which then did what back that defense up
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: created some space, and the running game was able to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: cook behind that line. So if you want a number,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: that's that's offensive driven hop, that's that's a pretty that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: one jumps.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Out to you and teams and teams knew that.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: So they kept they kept coming up and up and up,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: and that made the running game more difficult to game.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Then when you lost trailing ray, you lost any kind
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: of a threat. Sure, Josh from Wheeling, this is where
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: we are in college football. Penn State can possibly win
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten without beating Ohio State or Michigan. Neither
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Georgia or Texas has wins over Alabama, LSU or Ole Miss.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Both SMU and Clemson did not play Miami or each other.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Arizona State and Iowa State only have three wins each
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: against teams that were in the Big Twelve for more
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: than two years. Great show, guys, Josh from Wheeling. Well
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  Speaker 1: that's a great it is there.
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  Speaker 2: Is large conferences have made a difficult formula of figuring
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  Speaker 2: out whose apples to apples. It's made it even harder.
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  Speaker 2: You just you don't play everybody. As the textra outlined.
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  Speaker 1: JD from the Southern Coalfield's rights and what he did
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  Speaker 1: was he took all of our over unders in our
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  Speaker 1: preseason shows and he put the answers down. He had
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  Speaker 1: some answers, he didn't have some because he doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: pro football focused. But in essence, you know what it was.
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  Speaker 1: We were terrible collectively. I mean absolutely, yeah, we missed.
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  Speaker 1: We missed a very large majority of most of them,
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  Speaker 1: very large majority. But he does say this at the end.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any credible reports prior to December,
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  Speaker 1: the first which was Sunday Everyone Loses. However, there were
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  Speaker 1: some credible reports on December one connecting Neil Brown to
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  Speaker 1: UMass later app State and Charlotte. Maybe Hoppy should have
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  Speaker 1: set betting lines for a living. I love the show. JD. Coalfields. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this might be a whole new career for you, but.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even know how to set it. Yeah, well you.
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  Speaker 1: Learn pretty quick, smart guy.
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  Speaker 2: Did you say thanks for our gift for you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm done yet? Well, yeah, let me do this. Herb
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  Speaker 1: and Charleston, who has been with us pretty much since
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  Speaker 1: we first started doing this thing. Hoppy Provincetown, Massachusetts. That's
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  Speaker 1: really right from Cabots Candy. He sent us a five
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  Speaker 1: pound container of saltwater taffy. Oh boy, and when thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much, man, we really appreciate We don't need it,
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  Speaker 1: but we but we certainly appreciate it. We'll eat it.
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  Speaker 1: And when it came, Brad, I'm Jones and for some stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Give me some, give me some. So I opened it up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it was frozen still.
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  Speaker 2: Really because I could use some still, I mean in
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  Speaker 2: your mouth.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say I need to eat it. I'd say forty chance,
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  Speaker 1: you'd have to go to the dentist at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, pull, thank you for piling out candy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're under the direction of Big Candy,
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  Speaker 2: but that'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I know they're an independence Yeah it sounds more independent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they are. Yeah, uh tax Shout out to Waterfront
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  Speaker 1: Steven for the shout out he gave me on Sunday show.
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  Speaker 3: Not power for candy.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, all of us in our section were messaging
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  Speaker 1: each other after the news about Neil. We're all in
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  Speaker 1: agreement that we trust Wren to do the right thing,
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  Speaker 1: even if we all can't agree on who should be
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  Speaker 1: the next coach. I wanted to share my Thanksgiving dinner
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  Speaker 1: and homemade chili that I made on Sunday with you.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Olive Tree Cafe and Catering for their dinner,
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  Speaker 1: and my friend Kristen for the homemade Reaper sauce for
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  Speaker 1: my chili. Our boy p One Jennings.
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  Speaker 2: When reaper sauce in the chili, Yeah, I bet that
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  Speaker 2: gives you some kick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that would that sounds hot? Reaper sounds hot?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Is he? P One or E one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's a debate. He might be the first guy
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  Speaker 1: that's both P and Ekay.
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  Speaker 3: I guess if you are a PE and you become
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  Speaker 3: an E, then you're still yeah okay, yeah E for elite.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So when we get together Monday, Monday, no Sunday, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Monday week same time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm off next week, but I'll be here. Oh really yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'll be here.
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  Speaker 1: That might is that the that might be the first
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  Speaker 1: week you've taken off this year? It is, yeah, Brett,
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  Speaker 1: can you confirm that?
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  Speaker 2: Interesting?
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  Speaker 1: Unconfirmed?
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  Speaker 2: Definitely unconfirmed?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, are you gonna come in on Monday? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Come in? I thought you're off, man, but I'll come in.
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  Speaker 3: I'm around.
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  Speaker 1: Are we guiltying you into coming in? Well? What will
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  Speaker 1: the wife say?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Happy? Where you going?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Hey Karen? Eleven fifteen, Hey Karen, I'm gonna go get
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  Speaker 1: some gas and uh, I'm gonna go a little shot.
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  Speaker 3: It is no, I was. I wasn't gonna go, But
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  Speaker 3: Tony's shame me into coming.
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  Speaker 1: You always, she always, she loves to crush me.
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  Speaker 3: She crushes I know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh what did Tony say, Hoppy, You're gonna do that?
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  Speaker 1: If Tony said I'm gonna go swim across Cheat Lakes today.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna go, You're gonna go follow Tony crushing it
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  Speaker 1: crushes me.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even say that. I can't come. I can't
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  Speaker 3: go home and go well, Tony said, I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Killed Eh, boy, Karen's innovative. I mean the fact slim
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  Speaker 1: gems on that pizza.
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  Speaker 3: That's I love that she snuck that right.
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  Speaker 1: That was very innovative. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Get hurt of the touching search innovative.
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  Speaker 1: You said, I got your odd stack right here?
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  Speaker 2: Three guys or something different. Watch me put a fly
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  Speaker 2: rods on this pizza. You want different? I gave you different,
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  Speaker 2: And she couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: She can't keep a secret. She couldn't wait to tell me. Like,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think of that? What do you think
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  Speaker 3: of that?
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  Speaker 2: Well done?
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  Speaker 3: I want to get some of that munch.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get it.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy fast, that's next week. I'm aware.
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  Speaker 1: Three guys brought to you by West Virginia will play
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  Speaker 1: six Bowl games before that.
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