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Chatting With Aussie Men's Advocate Wallace Unchained | Fireside Chat 235 · Honey Badger Radio

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  All right, hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  is Brian and this is the fireside Chat today. I am joined by Wallace
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  Unchained. I mean, that's the name I'm going with. I should have
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  probably asked you before we started if that was okay. That's all right,
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  all right, And you are an Australian content creator I guess that likes to
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  discuss men's issues, but other other sort of what I can only assume to
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  be related or adjacent, you know, ideas and concepts. Is that a
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  fair way to describe it. Yeah, I mostly to talk about men's issues
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  on Twitter, but I do have a broad range of interests, mostly relating
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  to philosophy. That's that's the main reason for my YouTube channel. It's to
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  make philosophical inquiry of life in the world around us from a more contemporary point
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  of view. Yes, yes, I've watched a couple of your videos and
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  I think that is a definitely more precise way to describe it. Let me
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  ask you first of all, thanks for coming on and welcome to our small
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  corner of the Internet. But I wanted to ask you first off, what
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  made you interested in these issues? Because they're not popular you know, so
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  what's the story. It's a bit of a story. I can't I can
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  preface it by saying I know from a very young age, I was never
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  particularly agreeable to the concept of feminism. Even as a teenager. When I
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  first heard of it and I saw feminists on like like your talk show,
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  news, morning news stuff, stuff like that, I never really agreed with
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  them, but it wasn't really something I paid attention to until I was about
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  twenty two to twenty three. I used to because I'm a gamer and I
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  on YouTube. I liked watching these gaming music videos where they just have like
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  a soundtrack playing of a gameplay. Just going through the recommended feeds, I
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  came across the Amazing Atheist and he was just talking about feminism and I think
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  that I can't remember the title, but it was saying something about like he
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  was obviously disagreeing with it, and well, that's interesting. I don't hear
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  anyone speaking out against feminism. So I gave that a look, and from
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  there I found a whole bunch of anti feminist YouTubers that went from Amazing Atheist
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  too Undoomed to bearing and there was I really got into it, and there
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  was quite a lot of them that I saw. Yeah, there's a bit
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  of a rabbit hole, as you know, as it were. Yeah,
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  I remember one this This was just during the humongous Debarcle. Oh yes,
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  yes, I know, Bearing did some sort of promotion and he put doctor
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  Randomcamp in as as like a character in his promotion, just making a joke.
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  And this was actually the second time I heard random Cam referenced. I'm
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  thinking, who is this guy? And I looked him up and basically from
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  there I got hooked on his videos and thought, yeah, this guy says
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  a lot of like I don't think he'd considered himself very philosophical, but like
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  his approach to certain things is a little bit more philosophically in depth than well
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  everyone else I heard speak. And of course listening to him, I find
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  Honey Badger Radio and I listened to Alison find typhon Blue and Karen's channeling.
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  Yeah, you guys just introduced me to a lot of things that I thought,
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  Yeah, this is this is important and yeah, yeah, so here
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  I am all right, Yeah, yeah, Mike is a good dude.
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  I I hang out with him when I can. He's you know, in
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  London obviously, so it doesn't make it easy, but but yeah, we
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  all love each other here at HBr. So okay, I'm still kind of
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  I'm kind of interested in what you said. You were never really sold on
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  this concept of feminism, So I want to ask you about that a little
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  bit more. Is this something based in maybe something you were taught, because
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  the way I see it, it seems to me that the average person,
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  if you ask them about their thoughts on feminism, they might have an opinion
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  on a kind of radical version, like oh, I don't hate men that
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  kind of thing. But if it's sold or if it's packaged in a you
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  know, don't you believe in equality of the sexes or do you believe that
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  women were oppressed historically or whatever, people will definitely side with that. So
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  when you say you were never really sold on it, was it some experience
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  that you had, or did you like analyze it in like, you know,
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  when you learned about this concept or maybe you didn't, maybe you saw
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  interactions between men and women before you even knew what that there was this thing
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  called feminism, you know, Like as a young man, I it's difficult
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  to pin down. I remember when I did listen to some of these femis.
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  Like I said, they were on morning talk show programs, and some
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  of the things that they would say, like they like they would say talk
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  about equality and stuff, and yeah, it superficially that sounds like, oh
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  yeah, I'd be on board for that, but then I'd immediately take note
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  that this equality seems to go straight to women and only women. Oh yeah,
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  And I just that that never sat right with me, And it was
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  all it was all that sort of rhetoric. They'd say one thing, but
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  from what I could just see around me, it was maybe not necessarily the
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  other, but like I felt like they weren't being It was either that they
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  weren't being honest or they weren't maybe I thought I originally thought maybe they just
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  didn't know the other side of the story because that wasn't being talked about.
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  Mm hm. I mean obviously, since coming on to social media and arguing
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  with feminists and or even or even people who were just a bit naive to
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  issues, it's it's a lot more than just not knowing about it. Yeah,
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  for sure, a part of it, that's it, That is an
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  important part of it. But when it comes to the ideology, it's yeah,
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  yes, it's stuck in. So, yeah, you're you. You
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  sound like the kind of person that doesn't necessarily take things at face value.
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  Then, so when when the media or or an authority figure, or you
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  know, a professor or a teacher says this is the way of the world,
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  you don't simply just take it and say yes, it is you.
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  You look at it and you challenge, like, okay, is this true.
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  Let me look around right and see if this, if this matches reality.
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  So did you find yourself I know that you said that you got into
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  arguments with people online. That seems to be half of the purpose of the
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  internet. But what about in real life? Did you see stuff in your
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  day to day that sort of reflected or reinforce your beliefs on you know,
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  these kinds of issues, like, for example, do you know anyone that's
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  been that's either benefited from or been harmed by feminism? In a roundabout sort
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  of way. I I have known some people who've been harmed by feminism.
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  If I can look back at maybe the way they were when they were young
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  and and they were sort of naive about politics and stuff like that, and
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  then when they get that when they learn about feminism, they learn about just
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  this one sided worldview. And a couple of these people I've seen are women
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  I've known in my life, and one of them, unfortunately, has suffered
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  abuse at the hands of a of a male of a man. Yeah.
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  Yeah, and I knew. I knew when that happened it wasn't going to
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  go over well. When it came to politics, I had a pretty good
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  idea which way that was going to go. But I do find the most
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  concerning thing for me when it comes to women and learning about feminism is that
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  I really do think it disrupts their ah what's the word, like, the
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  their ability to have just a proper normal relationship with the man. It's oh,
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  yeah, it depends I guess how far into feminism they go. I
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  mean, youbous, Like, I've come across people who are just sort of
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  like you said before, they're just they're just agreeable to it, but they're
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  not really into the ideology. They haven't learned much. Yeah, they're they're
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  like the average Joe will say, well, I wouldn't call myself a feminist,
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  but I do agree that women should be treated like human beings, you
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  know, Like there so there's like this this level that they accept as though
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  that is something that feminism owns, and so that's why they to some degree
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  they kind of like pledge allegiance. Right, So yeah, sorry, that's
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  right. I was actually gonna comment on that. I'd say, I don't
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  know if you saw this, because I know what sort of promote, uh
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  provoked my coming onto this show. Was commenting on one of Allison's tweets.
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  I don't know if you saw the infographic, then I I commented, it's
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  been a while, but let me, Uh so is it I have?
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  I can bring it up here and maybe show it. Oh yeah, that'd
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  be fine. It's on your replies. Is it a reply you did?
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  Okay? Yeah, and it's underneath for Aaron puzzy one. All right,
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  right, well why don't you just why don't you just sum it up for
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  the people watching? And uh, I'll see if I can mind it while
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  you're doing that. That's all right. So basically, it's a it's a
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  black background infographic, just describing and it is mostly my perceptive perception, but
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  I think it's reasonably logically accurate, and it's just basically giving a very compacted
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  explanation of socialism in relation to feminism and how feminism is, as far as
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  I'm concerned, not a human rights movement. It's especially not a women's rights
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  movement. I think I don't like that they've got this monopoly over women's rights,
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  especially when like if you saw the infographic and you focus on the concept
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  of what like if you talk about human rights, you're maybe thinking legal issues
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  or maybe social issues, but feminists talk about ideology, so they like superficially
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  even to me, they don't locals sound like human rights advocates. So I
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  find that I want to define that there is a difference between a feminist and
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  a women's rights advocate. Absolutely, oh yes, I do know what you're
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  talking about, and that we have said that on this show. Actually,
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  you're absolutely right, and I think that our audience is also aware of this,
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  that feminism is not a women's rights movement. In fact, it's it
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  is simply a revolutionary socialist movement that is cloaked in the under the purview of
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  women's liberation because they know it's effective not just on women but on men,
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  because you know, you in order for like, feminism is a multi billion
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  dollar industry in all of its forms, right, like in the educations system,
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  in media, in our entertainment, in our political sphere. It has
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  tremendous power and tremendous amounts of money, which would suggest that its existence is
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  based in or predicated on the notion that we live in a patriarchy that oppresses
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  women. How could feminism exist in such a system? Right, So,
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  the way that it works is it basically claims something that is the opposite of
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  reality, which is that you know, men hate women for some reason and
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  oppress them and benefit themselves and men that buy into that. And I think
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  that it is normal for us to do it because it's kind of tapping into
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  an evolutionary instinct that we have to protect women. So you basically say women
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  are in danger, we have to do something, and men and women all
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  step up to do something in the name of, you know, an ideology
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  that claims that they would do the opposite of that. And so yeah,
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  I think a women's rights advocate, we we are. I would say that
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  we are that as well, like I know that we call like we're we're
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  called MRAs. This is a this was a term that feminist coined for what
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  we do. So they're the ones that named us and and this is before
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  I got involved. But but MRAs just said, okay, well that's what
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  you're gonna call us. We'll just embrace that that title. We're not going
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  to take it, you know, as a pejorative, which is what they
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  were suggesting, because they believe that the idea of a men's rights advocate was
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  so absurd that if I just called it what it was, you know,
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  you would see that people would, I don't know, for whatever reason,
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  be repelled. But it didn't work out that way. But technically, you
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  know, advocating for men is advocating for women if you're doing it honestly,
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  right, that's yeah, that's that seemed thing how you said that. They
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  they wanted to pass it off as if it's some kind of pejorative. And
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  in the language itself, the words men's rights advocate, women's rights advocate,
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  it's not inherently negative, so it's it's it is quite like for me,
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  it's descriptive. Yeah, for anyone to buy into the idea that men's rights
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  advocate is like ridiculous, not necessary. You either need an ideology like feminism
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  that teaches you that men have all the rights, or at least have all
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  the more more, yeah, more rights, or you have simply just taken
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  this concept of face value and I actually looked into it properly, but I
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  part of my part of what I do on Twitter. And sorry, it's
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  okay, we're all coming down with something, right. It's not some Chinese
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  thing. But yeah, I have a little tickle in my throat and I
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  ended up waking up at four am. It was really annoying. But I've
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  had this stupid thing for years. I get it every morning. Oh but
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  yeah, So one of the things I do on Twitter, I have been
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  in my photos are saved set of favorites. Just like some things I might
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  refer to in an argument. When it comes to rights, I can easily
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  just like reference legislation that I've looked up. So if you look up in
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  the United Kingdom, the United States, and even Australia. I haven't looked
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  up Europe, but I'm willing to take a bet it's the same. You
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  can find, for example, that female gems mutilation is a punishable crime,
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  but you won't find male gems mutilation as a punishable crime anywhere in their legislation.
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  Oh of course not. Yeah, And this is this is one example
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  where like it's it's clear cut, obvious death even referenceable proof that women have
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  more rights than men, or at least in that in that reference at least
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  well they're there, Yeah, their bodies are protected. I mean, they
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  don't even call it male genital mutilation. We call it circumcision. So we've
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  we've changed the language so that it's less uh so that we're looking at it
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  a little bit in a in a different light. If you call it circumcision
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  or you know, then it's no longer male general mulation. But when it
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  comes to women, we don't call that circumcision. We call that female genital
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  mutilation. Right, So, I think the vocabulary is one of the things
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  that we're you know, in a very very let's say, serious fight about,
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  because if people are using the words that that these people want you to
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  use, it makes it harder for you to make the case. So calling
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  it male gentlemulation is a first step into making people think about it in the
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  way that they should and not simply circumcision, because circumcision sounds like a medical
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  procedure essentially, right. Yeah, yeah, so no, that's right,
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  you got no, no, it's okay, okay, So yeah, we're
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  talking about the language of that that we've all been conditioned with. I mean,
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  we're essentially fighting a battle that has been raging since before we were born.
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  And I'm fifty years old and it's older than me. I got way
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  older. Right, This is we're talking about like the the pre eighteen hundreds
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  probably, but in terms of like when it really started ramping up, it
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  was probably around the turn of the twentieth century. So we are trying to
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  undo a lot of programming, and a lot of it has to do with
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  language. And so we don't shy away from calling ourselves MRAs, but also
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  from calling ourselves wras if the because you can't. This is the thing about
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  feminism too. You cannot hope to solve any problems by only focusing on half
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  of the equation. Right, So every problems is an equation made up of
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  this group, this, and this, and feminists always leave out men when
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  it comes to like the ways that they suffer, and it leaves out women
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  when it comes to the ways that they perpetrate. So it's all about like
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  creating a specific frame, which means that not only can they not hope to
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  solve any of these problems, but they probably don't want to solve these problems.
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  You know what I mean. I mean, I mean they think about
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  it like you're either ignorant or you are being intentionally nefarious. And I can
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  only imagine that these people have to be nefarious because I wouldn't consider them to
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  be stupid, because you know what I mean, Like I think that it
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  would be. It's more of a sign of respect for their position to say,
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  oh, you know this is not true. You're intentionally hiding this.
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  Now, there are people who simply get educated into this stuff and they don't
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  really think to look into it. They just presume that whatever feminism is telling
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  them must be true because it is the ultimate authority on all things related to
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  gender. Right, Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah? The only
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  the only part where I only midly sort of disagree is where you were talking
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  about whether it's Tigneranto a nefarious m hmm. Now, I do have my
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  suspicions that it's nefarious a lot of the time. But what I've what I've
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  seen, and this is what I've seen in philosophy groups as well, when
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  I've argue with people about all sorts of different topics, I find when people
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  learn a certain way of thinking, a certain way of seeing the world.
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  If they adopt it as a sort of belief, it becomes a part of
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  their identity. I don't mean belief is in religion, it's it's just something,
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  you know what you mean? Yeah, Well, they invest in the
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  idea a lot, and it's harder to break free of that stuff. Yeah.
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  Yeah, And when you present contradictory information to that, it's I think
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  it sometimes And this is why it might seem like it's personal For a lot
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  of them. It might feel like a bit of a personal attack on their
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  identity or on a part of it, something that's important to them. So
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  I when it comes to the way I debate with people online, I do
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  take the most charitable approach I can, and just I lean towards its more
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  ignorance than anything nefarious. Yeah, especially especially given the history where like feminists
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  feminists, oh my god, all right, so feminists would have had a
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  lot of arguments with people who disagree with them, from anti feminists to MRAs,
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  and a lot of those arguments would have been hostile to some degree.
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  And it could I'm not I'm not saying it would paint a negative picture of
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  us, but What it does is it paints in their mind that were an
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  enemy. Yeah, we have that same hustill arguments with them, so it
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  paints in our mind that they're the enemy. So we can treat each other
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  like there's like it's nefarious, And I just try to keep a balance on
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  that, hoping that there's something we can sort of identify on and make a
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  common ground, make a common understanding. Yeah, that's fair enough. I
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  mean I understand that, Like I don't. I don't go like, you
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  know, ham on on feminists because and call them evil. But I do
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  think that there is well I guess for me, someone who is a good
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  faith actor would have the I guess, man, it's gonna sound bad,
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  but a level of integrity that would, you know, sort of inspire them
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  to look as deeply into these things as possible. And and there are plenty
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  of people who have made that shift. I mean I am one of them.
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  Like ten years ago, I would have, you know, thought that
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  bought into most of this stuff. I mean I remember I did, even
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  the wage gap, you know, because it was everywhere, like I would
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  I worked at a job and there was a big sign on the wall in
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  the back room that said, you know, women only make seventy seven cents
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  on the dollar, and I said, oh, that's terrible, you know,
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  And so I mean, I just believe what I'm told, because you
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  know, we are supposed to trust those who are more intelligent than us,
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  that have, you know, more influence. But anyway, I'm getting a
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  little in the weeds. I wanted to ask, so your channel is about
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  it's more or less it's philosophical, and you're talking about ways to make the
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  world better because things are they seem to be and we're in a crazy place
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  right now. So absolutely it's the upside down. Yes, So what I
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  wanted to ask you is what I think I know the answer to this.
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  So maybe this is a bit rhetorical, but what is the relationship between men's
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  issues and philosophy, and specifically your brand of philosophy. Well, the way
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  I do philosophy is I'm trying to be entirely self taught on the matter.
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  I don't have intendency to read up on the works of other philosophers. What
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  I'm trying to do is practice something similar to one of the forms of scientific
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  method of repeatability that if I can figure out the same philosophical issues and come
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  to the same conclusions as other philosophical figures past. Then we have some more
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  evidence that where we're on the right track with those philosophical principles. And one
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  of the things that I I've been trying to develop in my philosophy is in
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  order for me to be able to logically well accurately, should I say,
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  interpret these philosophical principles that match what other philosophers found. I find it's just
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  all I have to do is just logically interpret the world to the best of
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  my ability and just and when I say that, I see, actually,
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  let me, let me hold myself. I've got notes here. I do
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  have notes. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, all right, bring them
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  up. So I I just have to like these little basic definitions. So
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  I've got no, that's the logical I want logic or if I just put
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  logical, we go all right. So my general definition for logic, just
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  to keep myself on track with how I do things for philosophy, I say
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  logic as in the process of operating within operations within the brain, observing and
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  or interpreting a thing as it is presented. Is in this is the brain's
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  ability to identify and characterize things as distinct from other things. For example,
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  a word is a word, a tree is a tree. In this instance,
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  it may or may not have semiotic or congruent qualifier. But then I
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  go on to logical and I define that as a method of thinking that is
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  required to make accurate observations of reality. It is information or propositions that are
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  understandably congruent to an otherwise sensible mind. So what I find is through my
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  logical investigation or inquiry of philosophy, if I am able to make logical accurate
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  interpretation as a reality, we have better understandings of how we can address issues
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  in our own lives in society. And one thing I found that's really important
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  about this, and you actually sort of brought it up, is integrity.
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  And I find the most practical way to have integrity with logical principles is to
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  be consistent. Learn consistency. So if you find and that's a difficult thing
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  to do, you need to challenge yourself like you have to be humble.
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  You have to be a bit humble too, because you have to be willing
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  to be wrong. Yes, exactly, You've got you've got to be able
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  to see being wrong as not like for most of us, I would say,
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  it just comes off as it's immediately uncomfortable. We don't like it,
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  we don't want to be wrong, and I've got to be able to see
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  it as a benefit because ultimately, what we want is to have the right
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  answers to things we want to like. We feel this need to be right.
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  So if we're going to be right, we've got we've got to know
• 28:14
  what we've got wrong. And if we're willing to know that, if we're
• 28:17
  not willing to know that, then you you can't know what you've got right.
• 28:21
  And yes, you just go on, You'll just increase your chances of
• 28:23
  going on in life with the wrong answer. Yes, I yeah, I
• 28:29
  agree. And what does how do you factor in men's issues into this like
• 28:37
  sort of overall equation to a degree it has been with the help of you
• 28:42
  guys. Without Without that, I probably would have struggled a bit more.
• 28:48
  Without you guys, I probably would have had a pretty critical examination of patriarchy.
• 28:56
  I don't see like if I if I should have started maybe with the
• 28:59
  definition of philosophy. It's essentially the love of wisdom and this is knowledge,
• 29:04
  this is information, So it realistically, anything can be within philosophy's purview,
• 29:11
  including human rights and the dynamics between gender. Like I said, without you
• 29:17
  guys, I probably would have come up with my own critical analysis of patriarchy.
• 29:21
  Yeah. Sure, learning about the concept of ginocentrism and how that makes
• 29:27
  a lot of sense to how we behave as a species, Like it explains
• 29:33
  why we have a women of children's first rule. It explains why we only
• 29:37
  send men to war to die in wars. It explains why women have a
• 29:44
  tendency to want to be more in the home life and men are happy to
• 29:48
  go out like men are actually happy. We're willing to go out and take
• 29:52
  the risks, and we know it's dangerous out there for us. But oh
• 29:56
  yeah, and men will volunteer to go to war too if they thought that
• 30:00
  the cause was just right. Yeah. So what I find is if what
• 30:07
  I've seen about ginocentrism is accurate to reality, which as far as I can
• 30:11
  tell, it is, even though a lot of people might criticize me and
• 30:15
  say, oh, it's still really just a hypothesis. It's not like you
• 30:18
  can identify the gene that says this is the gynocentric gene. But we find
• 30:23
  we can't do that with patriarchy as well. You can't say that there's this
• 30:27
  patriarchy gene, but we can say that there are observable patterns in reality of
• 30:33
  human nature, and they do seem to lean towards men being in what I
• 30:41
  describe as overt positions of power. So they have the authority to make things
• 30:47
  move in the world and get things done. But women's have positions of covert
• 30:52
  power, and oh yeah, this covert power is to influence them and motivations
• 31:00
  of men exactly. Yeah, But but men don't only and I think this
• 31:03
  is also a thing that people miss because feminism and a lot of other leftists
• 31:11
  of you could say, I don't know ideas or theories are based in power
• 31:15
  dynamics. They usually only look at patriarchy where men have power. But that's
• 31:22
  not all that men have. They also have a responsibility. This comes with
• 31:26
  a responsibility. You know, there's a saying that I've been using a lot
• 31:30
  is No, you can't have responsibility without authority, It's not It doesn't work
• 31:41
  right. So if I say, can you watch my dog for the weekend,
• 31:45
  I'm giving you responsibility over the dog if you agree, But then I
• 31:48
  tell you, but you can't put a leash on him. You have to
• 31:51
  leave your doors open just hope that he sticks around. It won't it doesn't
• 31:53
  work right, He'll run off. No, and I can't hold you accountable
• 31:57
  for that afterwards. But this is what you know, This is what feminists
• 32:02
  will say about what men should do, is that they should be responsible for
• 32:08
  women, but not have any authority, not have any say and women.
• 32:13
  They want women, or at least they want themselves to have authority but no
• 32:17
  responsibility because they only see it in terms of power. This is just a
• 32:21
  way. And again it's it's important because I think the language is is like
• 32:27
  you know, it's it's a big part of why there is so much density
• 32:30
  and confusion in this in these conversations. Like another thing I thought about.
• 32:37
  You mentioned patriarchy, and this is interesting because there is such a thing as
• 32:43
  patriarchy, but it's not the way feminists define it. So, you know,
• 32:46
  feminists to find patriarchy is that men build society to benefit themselves and at
• 32:52
  the expense of women. But what patriarchy technically is is simply that the man
• 33:00
  is the head of the household doesn't mean that he has like absolute authority,
• 33:04
  but that he is responsible. But more than that, the more the more.
• 33:07
  Sort of like another way of looking at or another version of it,
• 33:09
  is simply that when a man and a woman come together and a start a
• 33:15
  family, the woman gets the benefit of the man's provision and protection so that
• 33:21
  she can have and raise children in a safe environment, and the men have
• 33:25
  the They get the benefit of that woman and to continue on their their sort
• 33:30
  of lineage, right, which is why we have traditionally given women. The
• 33:36
  women will take the man's name and the children will take the man's name,
• 33:39
  and in exchange for that, obviously she is provided for and protected, and
• 33:45
  that is the taking of the name is patriarchy. It is essentially family in
• 33:51
  the model that I guess makes the most sense. And so this is what
• 33:55
  you know people do. Now. Of course, this is not a prescriptive
• 33:59
  thing. I'm not saying people have to do that. I'm just describing it
• 34:02
  as it is. But that's completely, well not completely, but it's very
• 34:07
  different from the language that feminists use because they're trying to create or at least
• 34:14
  it's framed in a The dynamic is more of a master and slave thing as
• 34:19
  opposed to more of a cooperative arrangement where the women gets what she wants and
• 34:24
  the man gets what he wants. Yeah, it's it's interesting. There was
• 34:30
  two points you brought up about that the feminist claim of patriarchy is that it's
• 34:38
  just too like rule over women for men's benefit or men's benefit women's expense.
• 34:47
  M I've not I've tried asking this, and it's it's rare that that I've
• 34:53
  really been to ask this question. Considering how some sort of arguments go,
• 34:58
  you sort of go with the a bit, but I've always tried to ask
• 35:04
  what is like, what is this real? What is this incentive behind doing
• 35:08
  this in the first place, like from for men, Oh, for men
• 35:13
  to do this to oppress women. Yeah, because it like yeah, you
• 35:17
  can you can say, you can say, yeah, maybe it just makes
• 35:22
  them happy, it makes them feel good or something like that, but like
• 35:27
  that's it. You're ultimately hurting women who you like, you've got feelings for,
• 35:35
  that you love and care about, and like that's the that's the thing.
• 35:37
  It's I can only imagine such a patriarchy that would do that. Men
• 35:42
  would need to be like not empathetic, right to not they would have to
• 35:47
  not care for their mothers, their their wives, their daughters, or their
• 35:52
  sisters. Yea sure, and every man. If you ask any man on
• 35:57
  the face of theirs, and even if we could time travel, you could
• 36:00
  ask any men, they would be able to say they do feel they do
• 36:04
  feel empathy and like anyone and like this is this is even provable if you
• 36:08
  have like a family member dies and no family member dies, it hurts the
• 36:15
  men. It bothers them. They may not show it immediately, but you
• 36:17
  know it does. And of course some of them do choke up and break
• 36:22
  up and you see them cry. So I mean it's yeah, well yeah,
• 36:29
  it was going to say, no, no, it's okay, it's
• 36:30
  finish up. I was just going to finish and say that the feminist version
• 36:35
  of patriarchy kind of requires men to be apathetic. M m. If that's
• 36:39
  what I can say it, yeah, or even cruel. I think I
• 36:43
  think that's the problem it is. It is a you know, dian Esme
• 36:47
  has described it as a hateful lie. I think that some truth to that.
• 36:52
  I think it requires you to think so little of what men think about
• 36:57
  women. I mean, I couldn't think of any other explanations, like you
• 37:00
  said, like why would men. And of course there are narratives that come
• 37:05
  out, you know, like they will say things like men feel entitled to
• 37:07
  women's bodies. But I don't think that any of that is true. I
• 37:12
  think men love women. And if anything, you know, even if it's
• 37:16
  purely sexual, and there isn't anything deeper than that men want women to be
• 37:22
  sexually attracted to them. I think that that that is a central I mean,
• 37:27
  it just makes sense like a person who would be willing to and whether
• 37:31
  it's male, a man, or a woman, a person that would be
• 37:35
  willing to essentially, let's say, get some kind of physical or lustful gratification
• 37:45
  without consent from a woman or from the opposite sex wherever it is, they
• 37:51
  have something like wrong up here. And this goes back to a video that
• 37:53
  you did about essentially about why people hurt people, right, and yeah,
• 38:01
  the problem with pain and and we've also talked about this. Aaron Pittsy has
• 38:06
  talked about this, you know, she has brought this up, the kind
• 38:10
  of if you look at statistics of men who are not just men, but
• 38:15
  they've only looked at men. I'm sure this is probably true of women too.
• 38:19
  The over ninety five percent of men that are in like federal prisons have
• 38:25
  experienced abuse as children. Ye, so that you know, and this is
• 38:30
  it should be a no brainer, but of course we it's a it's a
• 38:34
  difficult question for people to or a difficult thing for people to accept because they
• 38:39
  see them as criminals and so instead we we don't. It's like, we
• 38:45
  don't deal with them until they have become criminal and hurt someone and then go
• 38:51
  to jail, and then we're like, look at how awful these criminals are.
• 38:53
  But if you want to end that, to your point, you have
• 38:59
  to identify fi and break the cycle. There's a cycle of violence, right,
• 39:04
  And I mean, we'll never get to a point where it's completely gone,
• 39:07
  but we can certainly, you know, cut it down a lot by
• 39:12
  trying to address this. So yeah, that's That's one of the things that
• 39:17
  I really admire about Aaron Puzzy. It's her examination of the gender dynamics when
• 39:23
  she opened that shelter. And like, I know, she has a tendency
• 39:29
  to call herself a feminist or at least and in that day that's what she
• 39:34
  called herself, and I think I think she was genuinely taking it from the
• 39:39
  perspective of its women's rights. I don't think she, I mean may I
• 39:45
  don't know everything about Aaron Puzzy, so maybe she brought into the ideology,
• 39:47
  but like, what she definitely did was do a proper investigation of why,
• 39:55
  like the women who came to her shelter, why were they being abused,
• 39:59
  Like what was happening for them to be there? And then she learns that
• 40:02
  a lot of them are fairly abusive themselves, and that wouldn't just be to
• 40:07
  their husbands, but it'd be to their children. And I noticed she noticed
• 40:12
  that gets passed on through and what she calls is it's a it's an unbroken
• 40:17
  chain of generational violence. And those women themselves were probably abused as children too.
• 40:24
  Yeah. Yeah, And that's that's what I quite like about my video
• 40:29
  on the problem of paint because when I when I actually came up with that
• 40:34
  concept, and this is long long before I did the video I did,
• 40:37
  I did come up with it, just through my own philosophical inquiry, and
• 40:42
  when I heard Aaron Pizzy say that, it immediately resonated in that way.
• 40:46
  And this is this is one of the things is why I'm convinced that philosophy
• 40:50
  is one of the angles that's important that would like I think I said it
• 40:55
  to you and out in the messages before that. I find that way a
• 40:59
  bit philosophically bankrupt. In society, we don't have consistent principles, and these
• 41:06
  these ideologies like feminism, for example, are only whopping that perception and making
• 41:12
  it even more difficult to have consistent principles to be able to address our issues.
• 41:16
  Yep. It's it's like people are not taught how to think. They're
• 41:20
  just taught what to think, and so they the the the there's no encouragement
• 41:28
  to question. So that's where it starts, is when you start questioning.
• 41:30
  And that's what I was asking about your journey because I know you know the
• 41:35
  average person, I mean, our education is awful, and I think that
• 41:39
  it is all about imprinting people with this kind of these ideas that you're supposed
• 41:45
  to just absorb and agree with, and they've all They also make it kind
• 41:50
  of socially risky to question it, because if all of your all of your
• 41:54
  peers are all on the same page, then you don't want to be the
• 41:58
  odd man out because you know you you you want to be able to make
• 42:00
  friends and find someone et cetera. But I think this is all all by
• 42:05
  design. Now, the problem of pain. I'm glad you brought this up
• 42:07
  too, because we know we've talked about this. So things are I think
• 42:16
  things in terms of our ability to create a cohesive society they have at least
• 42:24
  in the United States, but I'm sure that this there's probably the same thing
• 42:28
  going on in Australia because it's happening in Europe and Canada and every most other
• 42:31
  places South Korea. Our ability to form a cohesive community with high public trust
• 42:39
  is is basically melting away. And I and it's not gone, but it's
• 42:45
  in It's in worse shape than it has been in a long time. And
• 42:50
  I have a primary theory, but a drum that I like to beat on,
• 42:54
  which is father absence. As like probably the large, not the only
• 43:01
  culprit, but I think the biggest culprit because we have at least here I'll
• 43:07
  just speak for the States, but we have really high divorce rates. We
• 43:10
  have really high single motherhood sort of situations where men are either excluded from their
• 43:20
  children or women have children with men that don't stick around for their children.
• 43:24
  So I'm not you know, putting all the blame on women here, although
• 43:29
  you know, I do think that women ultimately decide if they're going to have
• 43:31
  kids with a guy, and they should know what kind of man he is
• 43:36
  because men, generally, as I used to say, men walk in the
• 43:40
  shadow of women's desire. So when women say I want this kind of man,
• 43:45
  men try to become that kind of man attract that woman. Rights,
• 43:52
  Yeah, exactly, exactly. So if women reward bad boys with attention,
• 43:57
  affection, you know, sex, whatever, then more men are going to
• 44:00
  try to be those guys because they want to attract women, because that's what
• 44:04
  motivates men to do whatever they do. Ultimately, it's about attracting a mate
• 44:08
  and starting a family. So, you know, this is a joke that
• 44:13
  comedians would often tell is They would say, if a man did not have
• 44:17
  to get a high paying job, start a business, or you know whatever,
• 44:22
  buy a big house and a nice car or nice clothes, he would
• 44:25
  just live in a cardboard box if he thought that was enough to attract a
• 44:29
  woman. So they obviously women's desires motivate men. Now, of course,
• 44:37
  men can and should be self motivated, but the reality is that this is
• 44:40
  like a major factor in what you know, does that encourages that anyway.
• 44:46
  So getting back to the fatherless thing thing, so I think it's a growing
• 44:51
  problem. There are several areas or parts of the population you could look at
• 44:57
  that have the highest rates of fauthlessness, like here in the States. It's
• 45:00
  in the black population, it's in the Native population, it's in the Latino
• 45:05
  population, of which I am a part. And it is because of that.
• 45:09
  There's a laundry list of issues that come up from father absence, and
• 45:15
  one of those is child abuse and also molestation and things like that because children
• 45:22
  become vulnerable, you know, to abuse from mothers which you talked about with
• 45:27
  Aaron Pitsy that can happen, or relatives, sexual abuse, et cetera.
• 45:30
  And then those kids they grow up and they and they continue the cycle.
• 45:35
  And so you have a situation where these what I think are essentially there.
• 45:40
  They are legal problems that lead to cultural and social catastrophes. It's the interesting
• 45:50
  thing for me on the followusness issue. You did cover a lot of it
• 45:54
  like that there's like this abuse and they can be neglected and stuff like that.
• 46:00
  And I need to say a little bit about myself. Sure, I
• 46:04
  was raised by a single mother. And even though she was great, I
• 46:09
  can't say that she was abusive in any real significant way. Like we had
• 46:14
  our disagreements sometimes, and like she she was feisty, so if she argued,
• 46:19
  she knew how to fight, and that of course passed on to me
• 46:22
  a little bit, so we could We could sound like we were really at
• 46:24
  each other sometimes but that that was just our way of arguing. But ultimately
• 46:31
  that was if there was anything bad, that was the only bad thing in
• 46:36
  our relationship, just that we were strong about it. But other than that,
• 46:39
  yeah, I could say she was a great mother. The only the
• 46:43
  only issue is is she could not teach me. I've got to say this
• 46:50
  way. She could not teach me how to be a man, and I
• 46:52
  had to effectively teach myself how to do that. And I had big I
• 46:57
  had big learning curves because I didn't start I mean, this could be normal,
• 47:02
  I don't know, but I didn't start officially a real job until I
• 47:06
  was twenty from and that was from having a troubled sort of school history where
• 47:13
  I didn't fit in and I was often bullied, and I skipped as much
• 47:15
  school as I could so I didn't have to deal with it. It's actually
• 47:20
  made me quite socially isolated and very socially awkward. So I didn't know when
• 47:24
  I went into the working enrollment. I just did not know how things worked.
• 47:30
  I had to learn fast, which I think contributes a little bit.
• 47:36
  While I'm very patient and calm now because I know to really look at a
• 47:44
  situation before I get involved or act, I used to be very excitable and
• 47:49
  just jump in and say, no, you don't just do this, because
• 47:53
  like you do, you've got to be able to read a route. You've
• 47:55
  got to be able to know how you figure out how things work and build
• 48:01
  that confidence for yourself. But yeah, and it's also to do with like
• 48:07
  responsibility, Like I I would I would want to like deal with my troubles
• 48:13
  by mostly playing video games and not having to deal with the world. And
• 48:19
  yeah, it was just a big learning curves to have to absolutely and even
• 48:23
  though like it's weird I say, become a man, a lot of it
• 48:27
  was just learning how to be an adult. Well, I think that's what
• 48:30
  you're kind of getting at, because as a as a male adult, there's
• 48:34
  you know, as it's like other stuff that comes with it. But yeah,
• 48:37
  I think that the thing is you could. And I know guys that
• 48:40
  were raised by single mothers that did absolutely the best they could with them and
• 48:45
  they turned out great. But I think that there will without a father in
• 48:51
  the home, And you could make the reverse argument if you don't have a
• 48:53
  mother in the home, there's probably some things you miss out on too.
• 48:57
  So I'm not obviously like making this about just men, but without a father
• 49:00
  in the home, even a you know, relatively well adjusted child boy or
• 49:06
  girl that's growing up without a father is going they could they could do everything
• 49:12
  as well as they could and still probably be missing something right, some example
• 49:19
  to follow, And I think that this is also affects girls like the girls
• 49:22
  for example, if there's no father in the home, they will likely hit
• 49:27
  puberty earlier than a girl who does have a father in the home, So
• 49:31
  they might get you know, sexually active at nine ten years old as opposed
• 49:37
  to fourteen, fifteen or at least, like you know, where they're hitting
• 49:40
  puberty, and they'll get noticed by boys and all that. So it does
• 49:45
  affect us not just in terms of our socialization, but also our physical you
• 49:52
  know, our physical a bit like well, our biology is what I'm getting
• 49:59
  at, So M m but I I think that it is. And when
• 50:06
  you when you have a bunch of law and policy and propaganda that essentially tells
• 50:14
  women they don't need men and that they can, you know, be a
• 50:19
  mother and a career woman and have it all, et cetera, I think
• 50:23
  that it creates. It's it's already created multiple generations of somewhat dysfunctional people struggling
• 50:31
  to make sense of the world. And I think in particular, it is
• 50:36
  hurting boys. I don't know if you've seen all of the there's a lot
• 50:39
  of people who aren't necessarily in this particular part of the Internet that have been
• 50:44
  like looking at what they're calling the boy crisis or the loneliness, the loneliness
• 50:49
  epidemic in boys and on the suicide rates and stuff, and they're saying,
• 50:54
  what is happening? What is going on? And it's like, Yeah,
• 50:58
  we've been talking about this for ten years. We saw this coming. So
• 51:04
  I guess what do you think that I'm onto something when I say that fatherlessness
• 51:09
  is like a big and I mean there's something even deeper than that. But
• 51:13
  you see what I'm saying, No, yeah, no, And it's the
• 51:16
  fatherlessness is definitely issue It's one thing you did bring up just now, like
• 51:21
  in how We're like how women are made to perceive things, you said something
• 51:27
  that's very interesting, have it all. Yeah, that's the common thing I
• 51:32
  do here in all sorts of media and to some degree feminist rhetoric. What
• 51:39
  I find bizarre about that is there's nothing that says men ever have had it
• 51:45
  all. So I don't know why it's propaganda'sed to women that they can when
• 51:50
  even men the vast majority of the time are struggling no different to their female
• 51:57
  countrymen. It's they've got largely the same issues in that way, and it's
• 52:05
  and I actually want to sort of bring us back to another topic. I've
• 52:08
  kind of got the context we were talking about this, but I did write
• 52:10
  it down that you talked about how feminists say that men have this entitled attitude,
• 52:20
  especially when it comes to women's bodies. And that's something that is another
• 52:24
  one of those things that's always just seemed very bizarre to me, calling men
• 52:29
  entitled for wanting romantic relationships with women or intimacy. Even another subject that we've
• 52:38
  interesting not covered is sexual objectification. Another bizarre thing I've just never really believed,
• 52:47
  well, it just sounded like it was rhetoric. Yeah, it's literally
• 52:52
  not. It's literally subjectification, objectification. Men don't like to look at women
• 52:59
  as pretty things, even though feminists will try to convince you, generally men
• 53:02
  want women's approval, and that mean that's what they want. They want women
• 53:08
  to like them in order for some in order for you to want something like
• 53:13
  you, it has to have its own ability to choose to like you,
• 53:16
  which means it has to be a person. So when men what feminist call
• 53:22
  objectification is literally no making women into a subject, a subject that can take
• 53:27
  an interest in them. I am the way I the way I sort of
• 53:31
  break down objectification. I just see it as a euphemism to say that men
• 53:38
  taking pleasure from women is somehow a bad thing, and this like you can
• 53:45
  when you say it just like that. It like sometimes even I get a
• 53:49
  feeling in my head is if like men shouldn't think of women that way.
• 53:52
  But it's like, well, hang on, that's how biology works. Men.
• 53:57
  It's like, I like intimacy and pleasure, These things, as far
• 54:04
  as I could tell, a part of a pair bonding process. Without that,
• 54:07
  we've got little incentive to maintain a relationship. Beyond just materialistic survival.
• 54:15
  If that even I don't I don't even know what would happen to us if
• 54:21
  we didn't, if we didn't have physical pleasure in pair bonding. I don't
• 54:27
  know how that would Actually I've taken guesses. I've taken guesses that maybe men
• 54:31
  would probably be more free roaming and not not pair bonding, but just without
• 54:37
  going into that. On the concept of entitlement and in contrast with objectification,
• 54:45
  what I find is feminism is teaching men and women to a certain degree to
• 54:52
  not operate within their self interests, or at least not not too understand that
• 55:00
  it is entirely justified and appropriate for men or at least the other sex to
• 55:07
  have self interest to pursue you, like for example, men pursue women.
• 55:14
  They want intimacy, they want companionship, they want sex, they want someone
• 55:19
  to talk to, someone that can rely on. Most of all, they
• 55:22
  want consent. Yeah, I think most of all that it's predicated on that.
• 55:28
  It's predicated on that. Well, that is interesting if you think about,
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  like, as a man, I'm talking to all the men listening right,
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  maybe arguably the women. But if you think about what you want in
• 55:42
  a relationship, especially if it came to sex. Would you want your would
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  you want your partner to be reciprocal to your actions or like if they if
• 55:54
  they didn't reciprocate, would that feel comfortable? No? No, nobody.
• 56:00
  He wants to be around people who don't have an interest in them? Nobody
• 56:04
  Like. Yeah, So I find, and I'll argue this in my in
• 56:07
  my philosophy videos, that everything we do is in self interest. And sure,
• 56:13
  this is normal. This, this is the the mechanism behind our thinking.
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  And and that's what I mean. It's it's perfectly fine for women to
• 56:21
  have their interests. I'm not against that. But what I find we need
• 56:23
  to sort of achieve is this common understanding that men are also allowed to have
• 56:29
  their interests when it comes to women. And we've got to we've got to
• 56:32
  balance what is what is fair and what is reciprocal between men and women,
• 56:38
  rather than just saying, oh, men's self interest is bad, therefore we're
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  not allowed to do this. Yeah, exactly, I was going to mention
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  something else. Oh, yes, this is something I learned recently. There's
• 56:59
  this concept of the three selves, and I think that you might find this
• 57:02
  interesting as a philosophical con idea, although it does spring from a religious place.
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  But you have the three selves right in the in the center, you
• 57:17
  have the authentic self. This is who you really are, right. Then
• 57:23
  there's a layer outside of that called the wounded self, and then the out
• 57:29
  the outermost layer is the protected self. And when you since we're talking about
• 57:37
  pain, when you experience discomfort, disagreement, frustration, or somebody does something
• 57:45
  and they annoy you or they upset you, your protected self is reacting.
• 57:53
  And what what this what the the concept is is that the reason you're using
• 57:58
  your protected self because you have a wound itself, which is basically your your
• 58:02
  trauma. Right. And there's a presumption that we all have some trauma,
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  maybe even the very like you know, the event of our birth itself,
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  or if we were circumcised as boys, or if we were bullied or you
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  know, spanked frequently, whatever it was, and so we are sensitive to
• 58:29
  things that like will sort of expose those wounds, and so we need to
• 58:34
  heal from that. And what with the goal of this of these this concept
• 58:40
  of the three selves is to be able to heal the wound so that the
• 58:45
  protective layer, the protective self, can also be sort of like eaten away
• 58:50
  at and then all that's left is the authentic self. Now this is I
• 58:53
  think this is something that takes a lifetime. So this isn't really something that
• 58:58
  you can put out there. But I like the idea of it because I
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  do feel like, you know, I have a wife and sometimes we get
• 59:05
  into arguments about stuff, and things get you know, kind of heated,
• 59:10
  and we both take take a step back and we say, you know,
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  I'm actually not reacting to you. I'm reacting to something from my own history,
• 59:21
  right, And I think that this is probably something that I don't know
• 59:29
  if I can devote enough time to the show today for that, but I
• 59:32
  want you guys watching to think about it. You know, there is a
• 59:37
  reverend I had on the show before. His name was Jesse Lee Peterson,
• 59:42
  and he often talks about how every person has they have trauma in their history
• 59:51
  and that the only way of course this is you know, a reverend talking,
• 59:53
  so we're talking in like religious terms, but he's saying that you have
• 59:57
  to forgive your mother, or he says you have to learn to forgive so
• 1:00:00
  that you can begin the healing process. And he's been saying this for years
• 1:00:04
  and I was like, you know, I don't. I don't know if
• 1:00:07
  I quite follow that. It seems a little absolutist or whatever. But I
• 1:00:13
  think I'm not gonna say he's completely right, but I think that there is
• 1:00:15
  something there. There is something there. Yeah, there is a wisdom there.
• 1:00:21
  And I think that what our current paradigm does is it creates more and
• 1:00:30
  more wounded people, who in turn wound other people. And this is a
• 1:00:37
  it's basically, in my opinion, a path to our destruction. I will
• 1:00:43
  give an example, well not an example, but as to show this,
• 1:00:46
  we have our population is collapsing, which means that like people are not they're
• 1:00:54
  not pairing up, they're not getting married, they're not having children. And
• 1:01:00
  the funny thing is is that it's the feminists and the socialist types that have
• 1:01:04
  encouraged this, but they're also the ones that think that we should be using
• 1:01:08
  our taxpayer dollars to pay for everything, which in like a generation or two
• 1:01:15
  is gonna be impossible because there's not gonna be enough people to pay into the
• 1:01:19
  system so or it will collapse. And one of the things that I'm trying
• 1:01:23
  to encourage is for people who want to because I don't want to be prescriptive
• 1:01:30
  and say you have to find somebody, get married and have kids. But
• 1:01:32
  for people who want to, we want to try to make that, you
• 1:01:36
  know, as essentially as plausible an option as possible, because I mean,
• 1:01:43
  other what, We're gonna survive no matter what, but like, there's gonna
• 1:01:46
  be a lot of suffering, so we're gonna want to try to mitigate the
• 1:01:50
  suffering as much as possible. M I find what you were saying about that,
• 1:01:57
  it's oh, what was it? The yeah, the three cells.
• 1:02:02
  But when you went on to talk about like relationships and you can have heated
• 1:02:07
  arguments and stuff, and it's not about them, It's it's about what's going
• 1:02:12
  on inside. And I'm just I'm just sort of giving you a correlative information
• 1:02:20
  that the same thing. On my end, when I've had arguments with people,
• 1:02:23
  a lot of the time, I'm arguing against what I'm fearful of.
• 1:02:30
  Yes, like with I'll have to use myself and my mother again, our
• 1:02:35
  most prominent but heated arguments were really about my dad and she's just never been
• 1:02:44
  on good terms with him. This is the best way I can say it.
• 1:02:47
  And she would be very like because I did get to meet him,
• 1:02:53
  and and and I started to get to know him and have some sort of
• 1:03:00
  communication, some sort of relationship, she would be very paranoid about those interactions,
• 1:03:08
  fearful of what he might do to me, or fearful she was she
• 1:03:13
  was just even fearful that he would take her away from me. This is
• 1:03:16
  this was even into my adulthood, and a lot of my arguments against her
• 1:03:23
  was really just being fearful of her not letting me pursue my interests in that
• 1:03:30
  way. Mm hmm, because I mean she raised me. I was,
• 1:03:35
  I was, I was going to be loyal to her of the rest of
• 1:03:37
  my life, and I definitely proved that in her last days. But yeah,
• 1:03:45
  we what we had a tendency to do was mostly argue against each other
• 1:03:50
  based on our own insecurities. Yeah, and and that's and this was sort
• 1:03:55
  of and I leading up to this to the degradation of society I find And
• 1:04:00
  it's something I mentioned in the problem of paying. I acknowledge that the situation
• 1:04:04
  sucks, but we've got to take responsibility for ourselves because the way there's civil
• 1:04:12
  I think, the way we sort of live our lives, we it's it's
• 1:04:15
  a cliche, but we we take the world around us for granted. It
• 1:04:19
  just is. We think it just works, and for the longest time,
• 1:04:26
  you won't realize that there are people who are actively trying to take responsibility and
• 1:04:32
  make responsible choices for the sake of doing not just doing their jobs right,
• 1:04:38
  but they know they've got to and that keeps the civilization standing. And I
• 1:04:44
  think that's a lot of what's lacking in even our just social structure in general.
• 1:04:47
  People realizing that they've got some responsibility to not not not not behave a
• 1:04:56
  certain way. That's I don't feel like that's the right wording, but like
• 1:04:59
  we've got of responsibility when it comes to say, being civil, being decent
• 1:05:03
  or considerate of others, not not not like in authoritarian obligation sort of way,
• 1:05:09
  like if you don't do this, you're bad. But right, it's
• 1:05:12
  it's something that I think needs to be encouraged, and I the only way
• 1:05:16
  I know to do that mostly is to lead by example and encourage more people
• 1:05:20
  to lead by example, and that this can it. Like I said,
• 1:05:26
  it's just it's it sucks. It's a crap situation. But if we want
• 1:05:29
  to fix this, we've got to learn to. I mean it's probably resulting
• 1:05:32
  a bit to the Jordan Peterson stuff, but it's we've got to take responsibility
• 1:05:36
  for ourselves. Well, I mean, yeah, it's common sense. I
• 1:05:40
  don't have a problem with Peterson myself, at least in terms of those you
• 1:05:46
  know that that kind of subject matter. I think it's it's common sense,
• 1:05:50
  and I think that we have lost that in a lot of ways. I
• 1:05:54
  mean, he's not saying anything revolutionary, and yet it seems like a lot
• 1:05:57
  of people, don't, you know, they, like you said, they
• 1:06:00
  take things for granted. I will, I will give my final thoughts on
• 1:06:04
  it this way. I think that what's important for you to remember is that
• 1:06:09
  we are living, despite everything, in the most safe and the most abundant
• 1:06:16
  time in our history. And there is probably less to complain about now than
• 1:06:24
  there ever was. And maybe that comfort is why people complain. You know,
• 1:06:30
  it's like easy to to, I don't know, complain that somebody didn't
• 1:06:34
  cook your steak medium rare when you're eating steak, right. So, and
• 1:06:41
  I think that we should, like you know, take solace in how good
• 1:06:45
  we have it and don't take it for granted as a start. So,
• 1:06:48
  but uh, we are just about out of time. I want to get
• 1:06:53
  your final thoughts, and then I have a guy the way. Guys,
• 1:06:56
  please hit the like button for us. I should have said this in the
• 1:06:58
  beginning. I figured you got guys, knew that it's a good idea to
• 1:07:00
  do that because I know it's like the same you guys are the are great
• 1:07:04
  about that. But please hit the like button and send us a super chat
• 1:07:08
  or super chow and I'll be sure to read it before we wrap up.
• 1:07:11
  But Wallas, do you have any final thoughts or anything that you wanted to
• 1:07:15
  say that we didn't get to look. To be honest, I think I
• 1:07:21
  think we've covered that pretty well and I basically did give my final thoughts that
• 1:07:26
  last moment where we've just got to take more responsibility for ourselves, how we
• 1:07:31
  how we behave, and how we lead by example. And yet just what
• 1:07:38
  I what I want to do is for us try to accomplish more consistent principles,
• 1:07:43
  and we need to challenge what we think and how we like. I'm
• 1:07:47
  going to be going on a tangent, but it's O great. What's the
• 1:07:50
  best way's what's the best way to describe it? So I'll use probably my
• 1:07:56
  core advocacy as a men's rights advocate. One thing I really would like to
• 1:08:00
  do in my own country, if not the Western hemisphere in general, is
• 1:08:05
  have male circumcision recognized as gentle mutilation and have it as a punishable crime and
• 1:08:12
  equal standing. A consistent principle would be that, for example, if you
• 1:08:15
  can say you are against female generalism mutilation, then you look at what happens
• 1:08:20
  to well baby boys. It's fundamentally the same things. It's absolutely it's cutting
• 1:08:29
  away off a body part, it has nerve endings, it has all these
• 1:08:31
  functions. It is technically physically the same thing. It's just to the opposite
• 1:08:38
  sex. Therefore, a principle, a human rights principle, is to be
• 1:08:43
  against both of these things, not just one, and that that's a consistent
• 1:08:46
  principle. That's an example, and that's what I think we need to We
• 1:08:50
  need to learn to develop, whether we liked it or not, because doing
• 1:08:55
  this means challenging things that it means challenging cognitive Yes, absolutely today, Yeah,
• 1:09:02
  circumcision is just in brief, it seems like the most common sense first
• 1:09:09
  step, right, but it's probably the hardest thing to like get people to
• 1:09:13
  change their I mean, you can get normal people to change their mind on
• 1:09:15
  it, but once it becomes a thing that could happen, because I've seen
• 1:09:19
  this in Iceland, I think it was when it becomes something that could happen,
• 1:09:25
  you're gonna get a lot of resistance from very powerful people. But I
• 1:09:30
  say we should definitely. That doesn't that shouldn't stop us. So I'm all
• 1:09:34
  for it. We should definitely stop it. Okay, So I got a
• 1:09:38
  super chow. I want to read this. One came in a couple of
• 1:09:42
  days ago, but I guess we didn't read it, so I'm just gonna
• 1:09:45
  read it out now. Roard Shacks no because it's twenty dollars and says,
• 1:09:48
  hey, badgress, I'm glad you got over the hump. So many channels
• 1:09:51
  to listen to Nerdrotic had my time now up, up and away with my
• 1:09:57
  money. Well, thank you so much, Rorschacks know for that kind support.
• 1:10:04
  All right, I just want to make sure I don't think that there's
• 1:10:08
  anything else, So I will say that I'm gonna wrap up the show here,
• 1:10:14
  and if you guys are interested, I'm gonna be probably doing some streaming
• 1:10:18
  on my gaming channel because I do have a gaming channel, Wallace, I
• 1:10:20
  don't know if you know, but I do some Oh you have, Oh
• 1:10:25
  well cool? All right, Yeah, I do some streaming with my wife,
• 1:10:29
  and I'm gonna try and do some more with Lindsey tonight. After dinner.
• 1:10:31
  I smell chili and I'm super excited for it because i haven't eaten because
• 1:10:35
  I've been fasting all day. So I'm gonna go get that food. But
• 1:10:39
  anyway, thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show,
• 1:10:44
  and I hope we'll have you on again sometime very soon. I want
• 1:10:48
  you guys, oh yeah, good good. I want you guys to go
• 1:10:51
  and check out his channel. I put a link to that and his ex
• 1:10:56
  slash Twitter in the description, so yeah, please give Wallace a look.
• 1:11:01
  I think that he does pretty good content. I've watched about four videos,
• 1:11:06
  so, you know, and I like what I'm yeah, I like I
• 1:11:09
  like the kind I'm an interested in philosophy myself. I've you know, been
• 1:11:15
  reading nimo Kian ethics and I've also talked to a number of you know,
• 1:11:21
  people that are in that space. I think that this this gender conversation is
• 1:11:27
  essentially a philosophical one. At the end of the day, so you can't
• 1:11:30
  really like avoid that. So but anyway, with that said, we're gonna
• 1:11:34
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