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Patriots Catch-22 12/10: Areas to Improve, NFL Week 14 Recap, Bills Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars Bizarre and Lazar O everybody nailed
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  Speaker 1: it joined us always by our Here is Evan Lazar
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  Speaker 1: and Alex Bars.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not in like any sort of panic about the
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  Speaker 2: run defense is because Tonga and Milton Williams are supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be coming back, right, So a big part of
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  Speaker 2: this is that you're missing your three hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 2: five pounds nose tackle and you're missing your best defensive linemen.
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  Speaker 2: So if you get those two guys back, then in theory,
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  Speaker 2: your run defense should come back around. But after really
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  Speaker 2: having an excellent first nine weeks of the season, the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots run defense in the last four games of the
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  Speaker 2: season are allowing a fifty five point one percent success
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  Speaker 2: rate that is dead last in the NFL. They're the
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  Speaker 2: worst run defense in football the last month of the season.
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  Speaker 3: You can need that run defense to pick it back up?
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  Speaker 2: Can I need that run defense On Sunday against the
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  Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills and James Cook And one of the more
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  Speaker 2: underrated parts of this Bills team is their run game.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, Allan gets a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the tension obviously, but their their run game really over
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of years has been a huge part
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  Speaker 2: of their offense and a huge part of their consistency of.
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  Speaker 3: Their past game for the last I mean going back
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  Speaker 3: to last year.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe well, I mean want MVP of the league last year.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of that was because it was rushing numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well him individually, sure, I meant more of their
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  Speaker 2: traditional runs. Yeah, no, they good run game. Anyways, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk bills. We have a little bye week exercise
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  Speaker 2: that we want to get to as well here today,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll also try to open it up a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more here today because we don't have a game
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  Speaker 2: to break down, Alex, we don't have a good bad
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  Speaker 2: and stuff that gets you beat because the Patriots did
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  Speaker 2: not play last week on Sunday, I do also want
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  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the week that was
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL and take this opportunity to talk about
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  Speaker 2: some of these other teams, hopefully not get myself into
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  Speaker 2: any trouble this time around with the fan bases of
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  Speaker 2: these other teams. And you know, it's so sensitive out
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  Speaker 2: there these days, Alex, like all these people are so
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  Speaker 2: sensitive and it's not just.
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  Speaker 3: How dare people like their football teams?
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  Speaker 2: No, but it's got the whining on social media every
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  Speaker 2: single time somebody says something mean about your favorite team
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  Speaker 2: has gotten excessive, like last night across sports for a second.
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  Speaker 3: Last night, I.
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  Speaker 2: Tweeted about Jason Tatum's workout videos, which was great to see,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, But I tweet that and I think
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  Speaker 2: I said, you know, the Celtics would be favorites in
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  Speaker 2: the East if Tatum comes back and is healthy, which
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  Speaker 2: I did not think was all that controversial seeing that
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  Speaker 2: they are currently playing pretty well without them.
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  Speaker 3: This is not a Celtics show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just let me.
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  Speaker 3: You want to take your relap on the Celtics, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And the response that I have gotten from that tweet
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  Speaker 2: is a bunch of Knicks fans in my company.
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  Speaker 3: They lost to the Celtics. You know, the Celtics lost
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  Speaker 3: to the Knicks. Wit tatums. Okay, I get it, I
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  Speaker 3: get it.
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  Speaker 2: Broncos fans, Bill's fans, Knicks fans, calm down, just stay
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  Speaker 2: out of it, stay out of my mention. Stop searching
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  Speaker 2: your team's names on Twitter and then complaining and whining.
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  Speaker 3: It's gotten excessive. It's not fun. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 3: Please stop, just please stop.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be I'll try to be less loud about things,
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  Speaker 2: but you guys gotta start, you know, having a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a backbone, like please seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I had a wonderful time getting along with both
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  Speaker 3: Colts and Chargers fans. Yeah, that's because you've been gassing
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  Speaker 3: up this stupid story. All right, Can I can I.
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  Speaker 2: A start here? It's it's Evan, It's Alex Stocks behind
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  Speaker 2: the glass. By the way, it's Catch twenty two. Hello Evan,
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  Speaker 2: it may right into it.
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  Speaker 3: It maybe the moment was we get to do this
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  Speaker 3: and maybe the most predictable outcome of all time. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Evan has zero interest in the Philip Rivers story. None way,
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  Speaker 3: he does zero. He's not amused. He doesn't think it's fun.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't think it's funny, none of it. He has.
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  Speaker 3: It peaks his intra zero that a forty four year
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  Speaker 3: old grandfather five years out of retirement is getting signed
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  Speaker 3: by a playoff contender to play quarterback with four weeks
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  Speaker 3: left in the season, and oh, by the way, might
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  Speaker 3: play on less than a week's notice. This moves the
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  Speaker 3: needle for you. Zero. Okay, So it's just wacky. First
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  Speaker 3: of all, First of all, the fact that he's a
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  Speaker 3: grandfather says more about Philip Rivers than it does his age.
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  Speaker 3: Not the first NFL grandfather, not Aaron Rodgers, Brett fav
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  Speaker 3: was at the end of his career.
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  Speaker 2: So like, he's a forty four year old grandfather. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think like verin very more about Philip Rivers than
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  Speaker 2: it does. That doesn't tell me he's old, Like you're
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  Speaker 2: in forty four year old. There's not a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of forty four year old grandfi.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like a ten year old grandkid. It's very recent.
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  Speaker 3: I pretty sure last year. Okay, all right, keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it like they're I don't mean to out them
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  Speaker 2: or anything, but like Paul, Fred and Deuce I think
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  Speaker 2: are all over the age of forty four. None of
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  Speaker 2: them are grandfathers yet. So the fact that he's a
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  Speaker 2: grandfather tells me that more about him the party. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but that that's part number one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Part number two is like like we're like why
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  Speaker 3: do why is everything a meme? Like why Like this
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  Speaker 3: goes back to what I was just saying, why does everything.
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  Speaker 2: Have to be it's or we're meming or Oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: how funny, Like it's not funny? Does is he gonna
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  Speaker 2: play well? Or is he not gonna play well? Where's
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  Speaker 2: the humor in this?
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  Speaker 3: It's not just humor. It's an intriguing storyline. The guys. This,
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  Speaker 3: here's the thing. If they were a two win team,
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  Speaker 3: I think people would be looking at it as more
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  Speaker 3: of a joke, making it more of a meme. They're
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  Speaker 3: right there in the mix, like they couldn't make the playoffs,
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  Speaker 3: and if they make the playoffs, by the way, he
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  Speaker 3: might be the guy.
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  Speaker 2: And the NFL is a totally different conversation. The NFL
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  Speaker 2: is it's a totally different conversation. No, No, I have
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  Speaker 2: no problem with talking about it in terms of what
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  Speaker 2: it means for the Colts and if he's relevant and
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  Speaker 2: if they're relevant now with him as quarterback. What I
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  Speaker 2: have a problem is is that it's like you guys
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  Speaker 2: that make it like this, like, oh, it's so funny,
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  Speaker 2: Like what's funny?
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  Speaker 3: It's a little goofy that you here's funny about it?
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing there is there is when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: the state of the NFL, how many quarterbacks under the
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  Speaker 3: age of thirty are there on practice? Squads or free
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  Speaker 3: agents or whatever. And the cult are saying, no, this
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  Speaker 3: guy that hasn't put on a helmet in five years,
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  Speaker 3: who's closer to AARP?
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  Speaker 2: They are like, it's not seventy.
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  Speaker 3: It's the NFL, it's the NFL. In the NFL is anomal.
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  Speaker 2: We're starting to get up there in age. If forty
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  Speaker 2: four is.
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  Speaker 3: Close to AARP, is there fifty five? Then we're ten
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  Speaker 3: years away from that. I didn't finish the thoughts. Is
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  Speaker 3: a close to ARP than the draft?
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  Speaker 2: But you've been thinking about that?
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  Speaker 3: There's no I actually just came up with that. No,
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  Speaker 3: there's one. Why is Philip Rivers a better option than
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  Speaker 3: guys who are actively in the league? But this, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll be asked to take but this is
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  Speaker 3: what makes it fascinating. And two, the NFL is a
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  Speaker 3: copycat league. If this works, oh my god, Like, what
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  Speaker 3: does it say about the current state of quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 3: the league? And next time this happened way too much,
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  Speaker 3: Our team's gonna call Derek Carr. Our team's gonna call
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  Speaker 3: called Derek Ryan Tannell. I think Carr's shoulders shot. Isn't
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  Speaker 3: that part of the Remember that with the Saints like
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  Speaker 3: he was gonna have to have shoulder surgery and he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't in a place here anyway, and blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: But like you know it, we become Celtics catch twenty
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  Speaker 2: two and Colts catch twenty two in the first seven.
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  Speaker 3: It's you can't deny it's a major NFL story.
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  Speaker 2: Major as a stretch, it's a story.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's all Schefter was tweeting about yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Because he's because like what he and all of the
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  Speaker 2: insider game has become is also just something that is annoying.
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  Speaker 3: I just I don't know how you can't find it
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  Speaker 3: fascinating like I.
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  Speaker 2: Find it interesting. Is it important or interesting?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's interesting now it is the chance
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  Speaker 3: to become important. Find out the way.
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  Speaker 2: If it comes important, I'll be interested.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact that it has the chance to become
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  Speaker 3: important to the Patriots, by the way, because the Coults
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  Speaker 3: get in the probably the seventh.
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  Speaker 2: Seed, right, and that prichalleging that I that it's happening,
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  Speaker 2: I just I just I'm sorry. I just you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't have time for the nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that doesn't move the needle for you blows
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  Speaker 3: like everybody else, I don't know what that means. You
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  Speaker 3: don't want to talk about it, not in the context,
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  Speaker 3: not in the.
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  Speaker 2: Context in the way that you all want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 3: Now, do you think it's gonna work? God, it's so
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  Speaker 3: funny that he's forty four and well, there's some good
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  Speaker 3: shows that come out of it. There are I'm not
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  Speaker 3: there for that. Do you think it's gonna work? Why
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  Speaker 3: do you think the Colts view is a better option?
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  Speaker 3: And I know he knows the playbook, but.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. I couldn't tell you.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't cover the I find those elements of it
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  Speaker 3: interesting as somebody who covers the league and is interested
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  Speaker 3: in in in league dynamics and things like that, I
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  Speaker 3: find it interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Can we move on now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: All right, So I want to I've been back in it.
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  Speaker 2: Do we open bye week? Do we open bills? I
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  Speaker 2: do want to open with the bills because I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking about this. I'll you know, the last couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: This is probably the biggest game the Patriots have played
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  Speaker 2: in four years. It's definitely the biggest game at Gillette
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  Speaker 2: Stadium since twenty twenty one, since Mac Jones' rookie year.
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  Speaker 2: I would say the week sixteen game against Buffalo where
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: they came here, not exactly the same situation because the
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: Patriots have a little bit more margin for error this
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: time around, and they did that time that time. They
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: were a game up on the Bills with the game
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  Speaker 2: in hand, but Buffalo curb stopped them, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: in like sixteen twenty twenty one, and then the Bills
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  Speaker 2: controlled their own destiny and won the division from there.
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  Speaker 2: So a little bit more margin for this time around
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  Speaker 2: for this Patriots team. But it's definitely the biggest game
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  Speaker 2: at Gialette Stadium since twenty twenty one, probably the biggest
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  Speaker 2: game for the Patriots since the Bill's playoff game in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two or twenty one season. So whatever way
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  Speaker 2: you selec I said, Alex, this is the biggest Patriots
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  Speaker 2: game that they've had that we've covered in four years,
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  Speaker 2: which I don't think is in the NFL. That is
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  Speaker 2: a lot of time like that is a long time
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  Speaker 2: to go between really relevant, high stakes end of season
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  Speaker 2: games like this, especially at home for the Patriots. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think that this is probably you can't
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  Speaker 2: really build this game, you know, take this game any
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  Speaker 2: differently of billing it as one of the biggest games
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  Speaker 2: that they've played in the last half decade, really since
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  Speaker 2: Tom Brady.
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  Speaker 3: Left, I think it's the biggest game I even if
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  Speaker 3: I know they played a playoff game since then, but
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: they were the seven seed. They kind of backed in.
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  Speaker 3: Remember how many guys they were missing in that game
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  Speaker 3: due to COVID. I think a lot of people forget
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: that they had no chance that night. Right, kind of
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  Speaker 3: knew what that was. The Brady game, I know was
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: a big game to a lot of people. It was
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: an emotional game, right, it was also a week four
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  Speaker 3: non conference game, Like ultimately the stakes were not there, Right,
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: this is the biggest game that they've played since Brady left. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I would agree, and hopefully by the way gets topped
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  Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks that that should be the goal.
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  Speaker 3: But at least for the time being, this is going
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  Speaker 3: to be the biggest game they've played. Remember when we
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: were doing our old show and it was it was
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  Speaker 3: the twenty one season, and I had this thought the
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  Speaker 3: other day. They kept playing all these teams that were
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: like not good but playing well. Right before they played
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: the Patriots and we opened that show like seven or
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: eight weeks a row with me saying this is the
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  Speaker 3: biggest game for the Patriots in two years. Yeah, I'm
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: glad we haven't kind of done that charade this year.
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  Speaker 3: But this one, this one.
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  Speaker 2: Is biggest game of Patriots have played at Gellette Stadium
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  Speaker 2: in four years. I think is the way I would
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  Speaker 2: bill it.
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  Speaker 3: Ay at Gillette, Well, five years, four, I did the
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, two, twenty three, twenty four, six years,
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  Speaker 3: it's four years. There was a bigger game in twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're saying it since Brady left. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's the biggest game since Week sixteen, twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: Which one was that the time that bills Oh, okay
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one?
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  Speaker 3: I think the same.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same situation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think this is a little bigger than
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  Speaker 3: that because of what dream meant is you're saying since
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  Speaker 3: that game?
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  Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, Yeah, anyways, we are getting into
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  Speaker 2: some semantics already at the top.
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  Speaker 3: I like that, and the YouTube Chap thinks I'm panicking
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  Speaker 3: about Philip Rivers.
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  Speaker 2: Good, yeah, you're yeah, you're you're worried that forty four
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  Speaker 2: year old grandpa is going to come in.
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  Speaker 3: Here and be the grandpa. Thing didn't match, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I did that on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, So huge game on Sunday for the Patriots hat
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  Speaker 2: and T shirt game. I understand, And we were talking
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about this on Unfiltered and then I
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  Speaker 2: want to get into like the what we normally do,
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: which is the x's and o's of this matchup. I
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: understand that the Patriots have some margin ferrer here. They
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  Speaker 2: could lose this game to Buffalo, and conceivably they could
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  Speaker 2: probably lose the game to Baltimore too and still win
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  Speaker 2: the division.
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  Speaker 3: But there's just certain way they can clinch the division
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  Speaker 3: this week even if they lose. No, there isn't no
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  Speaker 3: there there is another there's some weird tiebreaker.
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  Speaker 2: Things, and they can clinch it. They can clinch a
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  Speaker 2: playoff berth, they cannot. They can only clinch the division
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  Speaker 2: if they win.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that's what it was.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can still win the division if you lose.
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  Speaker 2: You can probably, like I said, still win the division
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  Speaker 2: if you lose next week in Baltimore just by beating
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  Speaker 2: the Jets and the Dolphins. But there's something There's two things.
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  Speaker 2: One that there's something different about doing it on your
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  Speaker 2: own terms and not.
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  Speaker 3: Like you don't want to be the team that backs it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're not backing into it by beating a
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  Speaker 2: bad Jets team and like a mediocre Dolphins team. You
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do that. The other thing that I
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  Speaker 2: think is it needs to be said about this element
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  Speaker 2: of it. Besides playing the Eagles in Week seventeen, the
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  Speaker 2: Bills have the Patriots, the Browns, the Eagles, and the
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  Speaker 2: Jets to wrap up this season. The Eagles are in
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: a free fall and I think the Eagles. My point
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  Speaker 2: is is that I think the Bills are going to
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  Speaker 2: run the table outside of this game on Sunday, which
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: is a coin flip, right, So they're going to probably
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: go three to zero to the season, which doesn't mean
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: that they could pass the Patriots if the Patriots take
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: care of their own business. But it just puts a
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  Speaker 2: lot of pressure as these games get later and later
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  Speaker 2: in the season, where you're probably gonna the Patriots are
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  Speaker 2: going to be the Jets in the Medallands. Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: that certainly hope that I'm not worried about. But a
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  Speaker 2: Week eighteen game against Miami here where you have to
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  Speaker 2: win it to win the.
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  Speaker 3: Division, and by the way, Miami might need that game
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  Speaker 3: to get in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: It's just not a spot you want to put yourself in.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a spot it's a spot that
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't get out of or couldn't win. It's just
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: not a spot that you want to put yourself in.
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  Speaker 2: So this game, from that angle, you just want to
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  Speaker 2: be able to say that you did it. You took
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: care of your own business, you did it yourself. You
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: didn't need tie breakers to win the division over Buffalo,
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  Speaker 2: you knocked out the champs. Like that's what you want
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  Speaker 2: to say. You want to be able to say that
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: as a football team. The other angle to all of this,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: with the Bills in particular, is just I think that
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: there's a lot to be said for the fact that
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: the Bills right now have won five straight division titles.
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  Speaker 2: Josh Allen's the reigning MVP of the league. There's just
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  Speaker 2: a lot of statements that can come from the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: winning this game. Not to mention not that I think
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: that they really care about this too much, but just
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: as a fan and from the outside looking in the
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: fact that a lot of people are still doing the
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: schedule thing like if you beat Buffalo here on Sunday
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: to win the division, it does quiet some of the
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: all all you've played is tomato can narrative and all
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So there's a lot of things
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: that are acquire is it a lot? In my opinion,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: all these things go into it. All of this thing
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: is all these things are important. I think about this
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: game and then I want to get into the specific
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: x's and no's, but just how the stakes of the
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: game in terms of if they lose this game. Now
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: at least it becomes interesting when it comes to the division,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Like where's your your meter with that?
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's a you hit on
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of it. Like it's a true whether it's
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: it's the division. I know this isn't flex, but this is,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes, a national game. This is
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: the one o'clock game. The country's going to see the
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: MVP element of it like this, this is make the
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: statement this and then the Ravens next week in prime
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: time for the MVP. Obviously you're not appealing to a committee.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: You won't go down that whole road. It's solid standings,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: but like there is something to be said for being
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: back on the national stage and you want to make
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: your case going into the playoffs, you're the team to
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: beat in AFC. This is the way to do it.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And then there's that one seed thing that's looming and
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: they obviously can't lock that up this week, but the
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: the the Broncos have a tough game and you got
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: to get a game ahead of them. Now they have
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: the tie breaker no matter what. So I just think, yeah,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: there's a lot the narrative stuff doesn't ultimately doesn't determine things.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess a little bit for the MVP,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: it does, but the MVP doesn't mean anything like ultimately,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: you know, we're not throwing a parade down Boylston for
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Drake May winning the MVP. Sorry Drake, but it's just
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: not you know how it goes. This is it's just
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: a really good chance to showbody like this thing is real.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: And there's also the side of it of and I
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: know people don't want to think about this, but we've
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: gotten this question on this show. What makes this team
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: different than twenty one and twenty one they went into
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: the bye week, and the bye week was a few
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: weeks earlier, but they went into the bye week, the
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: number one seed, seemingly rolling. They'd won like, what was it,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: six of eight, seven of eight, something like that. They
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: won seven in a row, seven in a row going
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: to the bye, and they came out of the by
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: against a tougher portion in their schedule, which is what
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: the Patriots will do here with the Bills and Ravens,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: and they fell off. They completely fell off, and like instantly,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: like from the start of that Colts game. And you
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: know what makes this team different than that one? Will
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: hear you go, you're in the same spot, right, And
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I do think this team is different. Drake May makes
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: it Drake May makes it different. I think there were
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: also just some players on that team that were probably
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: playing above the level that they realistically can play at.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: And there's some guys playing some great football here too,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: But I think it's more sustainable. This is a really
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: good chance to show like, hey, this is different. You know,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: you come out in the same situation and you handle
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: it differently. This is different. Yeah, So let's talk about
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: the matchups here.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I want to revisit the Week five game because although
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: there's different personnel because of injuries and things like that,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I think the way the game unfolded and the game
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: plans on both sides is still really really relevant to
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: how this game is.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Going to go on Sunday.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: So the biggest thing I think from that game that
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you have to remember, and I'm not saying this to
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: say that the Patriots win was any less impressive. I'm
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: just saying it that I don't think that this is
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: going to replicate itself this time around. Buffalo turned the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: ball over three times in that game. We were called
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: for eleven penalties, right, they had sort of especially in
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: the first half where they turned it over twice really
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: on their own accord.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: One was a you know, a.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Botched exchange jets we panned off type thing that I
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: don't think that's going to happen again. I think you're
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: going to get a cleaner version of Buffalo this time around.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Just because you think they're
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: going to turn over three times, I don't know about three.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: But they haven't. They've had trouble turning the ball over
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: a little bit this year, not that much. And penalties,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, they've been okay, they're kind of middle of
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: the pack. The Bills are. How are they this low?
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: And turnover they're twenty third and turnovers, Oh, I'm sorting
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: that the wrong way. Twenty third few they are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: eighth in the league, technically tied for six in the league.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: And turnovers, they've turned the ball over a lot this year.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: They James Cooks fumbled the ball a lot.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: They've survived it. Well, James Cook's gonna be playing on Sunday. Yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know. They're going to turn the middle three times.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe it won't be that bad, but I think, like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think you look at it and say you can't.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say you can't count on the Bills turning
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the ball over. Yeah, you wouldn't say that. I would
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: They among the league leaders and turnovers year. I think
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: you go and you hope it they turn it over
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: that many times. I don't think you expect that you
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: can't count on it three times. I don't. Anyways, let's
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: they've turned the ball. They've turned the ball over five
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: games in a row, and three of those five in
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: their last five games, they've turned the ball over at
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: least once in each game. In three of those five,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: they've turned the ball over three times. Yeah, I guess.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just look at this game and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I you got your you got they got the you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: kind of the sloppy Bills the first time around. I
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: would say in a lot of ways, I just don't.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Know if that I think the Bills are sloppy football team.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Here we go. I knew this was coming.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: It's not a Bill team. They've turned the ball over. Okay,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: they've turned the ball over eighteen times this year. They
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: turned the ball over eighteen times this year. I can't
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: just sit there, Bill, they're a sloppy football team.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't say they weren't a sloppy football team, just
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: did I said they you got the sloppy version of
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Buffalo and week.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: That implies that there's a non sloppy version. I think
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: there is a non sloppy version. Well relatively.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think that there's a version of the Bills
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: that doesn't turn it over three times again, it's called
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: for eleven penalties.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: There's no like, there's that their good team. There's everyone
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: is a little higher. They're averaging seven penalties a game,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: so that one's probably a little high. They're not averaging
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: three turnovers again, No, but They've done it four times
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: this year, including three times in the last five weeks.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And they played thirteen games so the year. But as
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of late, I don't think this is gonna happen exactly
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the way that happened a week five.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I would not bet over two and a half turnovers
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: for the Buffalo Bills, Okay, but I think to say, well, no,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: they're gonna play a really clean football game. They haven't
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: shown a lot of evidence that they can do that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: They're gonna play football game is maybe cleaner, but cleaner
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: is not clean. I don't know exactly how it's gonna
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: manifest itself, but they're not exactly it's we did this
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: last time. The problem everybody thinks I have with Alan
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: is more about McDermott. It's not a tight operation, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: that's been exposed more often than not this year.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, So let's good put that to the side because
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: we can agree to disagree there. In terms of the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: actual way the game is schematically unfolded. I think one
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: of the big things that happened in this game just
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: sticking with the Patriots offense for a second against the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Bills defense. Ye, in the first half, the Bill's played
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of coverage blitz May very much. They they
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: had a good first half and both defenses kind of
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: won the first half. In the second half, they came
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: out and they blitzed May on fifty percent of his
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: drop backs, and he shredded them. He completed like ninety
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: three percent of his passes one hundred and eighty yards passing.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: He was excellent, unbelievably good in the second half in Buffalo.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Made some unbelievable throws, you know, the ones to digs,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: you know, the booty hole shot to set up the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: game winning field goal. Just all in general, just was
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: unbelievable in the second half. I think, not again, I'm
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: not taking anything away from Drake May. I just think
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that the Bills this time around, if they're smart at least,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: and I do think that they will do this. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna blitz them.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: That's a little bit of an if, but you would
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: think they learned their lessons.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: You were just so salty about the Bills. You can't
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: give him any cret.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Have you not watched this team this year ninety they're
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: not terrible like they're nine and four, because six and seven,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: they're nine and four. Because Josh Allen just keeps doing
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: ridiculous things and bailing out the rest of the roster.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, that was so nice of you.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: As I've always said about the Bills, Josh, that was
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: big of you, as I've always said, a call like
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I see, there's.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Gonna be like fifty percent of the people that are
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: gonna absolutely hate the first twenty three minutes of the
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: show because we are just bickering. Uh. Anyways, So I
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the Bills blitzed Drake may a ton in the second
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: half the first time around, he shredded their blitz. It
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: was not it was not a good strategy for them. Now,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I will say to your point, it does seem like
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: they kind of fall back on blitzing when things sorted
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: don't go well for the.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Eensively, they're not a game playing team. They're gonna do
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: what they're gonna.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Do well, but they they they aren't a game plan team.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: But they actually don't blitz a ton, which is kind
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: of weird. Like overall for the season, they haven't blitzed
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: a ton. And my understanding and my you know, we've
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: studied McDermott now for nine years, Like it's not a blitz.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I would not call their defense blitz. A blitz defense
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: like this is not Brian Flora right, that's coming here.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: They actually play, you know, I would call McDermott a
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: cover two guy, like I think he's a cover two
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: scheme kind of guy. Obviously four to three front, you know, overfronts,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: you know, things like that, a lot of nickel, and
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of these things have changed this year. They
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: haven't played as much nickel. They're much more base and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: dime heavy defense, and they've ever been under Sean McDermott.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Their defense right now, I think is probably the worst
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Bills defense McDermott has ever had because he's a good
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: defensive coach. He is, and he's always given their system
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: has always given the Patriots and problems, especially the McDaniels offense.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Even Brady had some like kind of clunkers against Buffalo
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: since McDermott has been there. So they usually don't play
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: a blitz happy defense. They were blitz happy in the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: second half against Drake Main week five and got torched.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I just don't expect that to happen again this time around.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: And this kind of goes to what we were going
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to talk about in terms of the bye week exercise.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know why people keep button Drake May and
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to continue as the competition
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and as the team start to get more game plan
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: heavy and you know, how do we beat the Patriots
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: that sort of thing. He's just been excellent all year
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: long against the Blitz. So I expect Buffalo to play
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a lot more coverage in this game. And and my
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: second point about that, I think is related. In the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: first matchup, they did not have Christian Benford shadow Stefan Diggs.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: He didn't travel with Stefan Diggs. So the Patriots got
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Steffan Diggs a lot on Tredavius White, a matchup that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: he handledly won. And then they also got him in
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the slot a lot where he saw linebackers, safety, slot corners,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Toron Johnson, you know that sort of thing. And he
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: just had a game. You know, Diggs just went off.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So my guess is, if I was Buffalo, if I
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: was kind of game planning for Buffalo, the two things
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: that I would do. I would not blitz, right, I
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: played coverage. And the second thing I would do especially
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: on high leverage situations, you know, third fourth downs, things
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: like that, you know, Benford's a good player, and I
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: think Benford needs to Shoutowtefon Diggs. If I was Buffalo,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I would do differently than what I did
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: in Week five.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious with Diggs. Do we get you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: he was everybody saw him during that game. He was
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: on another level. And it's understandable, right, like he's going
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: back to Buffalo for the first time and all that.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: It's not in Buffalo, But like, do we get and
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Diggs has been good outside of that Bills game and
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: he took it, he took it to another place there.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Do we get that stef On Diggs again in this game?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Because Benford's good dig Diggs can beat him. Diggs can
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: beat them enough if you get that version of him.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: But I also wonder if they do do that. You know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Kishawn Booty had a good game against them in that
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: first game. Does that open him up to do a
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: little bit more? Does it open Pop Douglas up to
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: do a little bit more and kind of test them
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: with some speed? So their secondary, I mean, their secondary
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: is not good, Jay, It's really not. So I'd be
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: curious where the Patriots go if that's the adjustment the
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Bills make.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: So they're twenty second right now Buffalo and Dvoa. On defense,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: they're seventeenth against the pass. They're thirtieth against the run. Now,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: they've always been a little bit of a leaky run
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: defense because they play so much nickel, but they've been
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: This is as bad of a Buffalo pass defense as
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the Patriots have faced in the last you know, since
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: really twenty twenty, since the Bills became you know, started
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: winning the division every year. So that this defense is
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I would say vulnerable if I was, you know, looking
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: at it objectively. The other thing that I mean, I
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: want to get to more of that in a second.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the other thing. Just let's talk about.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: The other side of the ball and then we can
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: sort of talk about the current state of the Bills
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. The first time around, the Patriots,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I think the number one thing that they did that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: was really important in that game was they shut down
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: James Cook and I don't know if they have those
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: levers anymore without Milton Williams, and hopefully they get Toga back,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: who was out there on Monday but still looked kind
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: of limited in practice. We'll find out more about that
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: over the next couple of days. But in the first matchup,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: thirty six percent rushing success rate for James Cook. Below
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: average certainly for him, but even for the league. They
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: really kind of shut down Buffalo's run game, and they
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: put them in second and third and long, put the
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: game in Allen's hands, you know, made the pass offense
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: beat them, that sort of thing. I understand that sounds
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: counterintuitive when you're going up against Josh Allen and the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: MVP of the.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: League, when you look at his who his receivers.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Are any quarterback that if you live in third and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: long is gonna have not as.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Great of a day as you could except Drake May apparently.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even Drake May is converting third and long's
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: at like forty We thought first week, aren't last week.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Aren't they better on like fourth and five than they
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: are on third and one.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: It's close enough, Yeah, it's if they're not technically, but
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: it's relative to the situation. It's it's pretty clear it's
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: closer than it should be given the circumstances. But shutting
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: down James Cook the first time around, I think was
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a huge part of it. I keep saying it Their
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: most consistent part of the Buffalo offense is their run game.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Ye their pass game is extremely explosive and Allen is
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: extremely dangerous. Still scrambles, you know, second react, you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: extended plays, all that kind of stuff. They're number in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the league and explosive play rate across the board. But
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: in terms of their run game, you know, we saw
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago what they did to Pittsburgh.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: You know, that was two hundred and fifty yards on
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the ground right at you right, And if you play
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that kind of game against Buffalo, then you know they're
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: more under center, they're more run heavy. They're basically setting
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: career highs for Josh Allen and like designed run rate,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: under center rate, play action rate, like all those things
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: are up across the board from Buffalo right now. They
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: are a turnaround, hand the ball, off run the football
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: type of team right now. Like that that's what they do,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: you know, play action, move the pocket, under center, all
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. That's that's sort of been their identity.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And I think to your point about the turnovers, I
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: think that that's a response to them trying to be
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit keep it a little bit more on
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the rails and be a little bit more consistent and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit more you know, had better ball security,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: take less sacks like all that kind of stuff. But
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that was a big part of that game back in
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: week five, was shutting down James Cook.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you made the point there at the beginning,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: and Mike Rabel has asked this on Monday, like how
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: viable is the film from week five and how much
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: do you look at that versus things changing? To me,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: the biggest change from week five week five, right, week four,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: week five, yep, the biggest change from week five to
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: now is the Patriots not having Milton Williams. That is
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: the biggest difference. We didn't talk about it enough after
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: that game, I think probably because it was Drake May's
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: coming out party on the national stage. But Milton Williams
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: was so good in that game. He's playing hurt and
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: he was so good in that game, containing the run,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: running down Josh Allen in the pocket when he's trying
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: to scramble, things like that. He was awesome. And that's
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: a major loss. Like he said, getting Tonga back will
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: help if they get him back. You know, mitigates it
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit, but you really, really miss Milton Williams
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: in this game because he was so good against the
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Bills in that last matchup. That to me is the
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: biggest hurdle for the Patriots in terms of, you know,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: game planning and adjustments you're gonna have to make because
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: playing team twice in a year, there's always a little
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: more that us going to the game plan. Yeah, the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: biggest adjustment for the Patriots is how do you replace
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: what Milton Williams gave you in that first game? Yeah, No,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: it's absolutely true.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: The other element of that game fort man coverage for
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the Patriots in that game was was not their highest
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: but close to their highest.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: And the way they played man coverage they bottle. Isn't
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: that off you know, soft, because they were. It's the
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: way you know, we've talked about, at least I talked
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: about it. That's how I've kind of wanted them to
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: play coverage all year. Yeah, and so hopefully that comes back.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I like, I really liked the way they played coverage
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: in that game that I wouldn't mind seeing come back. Agreed.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I think that that was probably my favorite game they've
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: played all year from a coverage plan perspective. Yeah, you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: man to man on these receivers. Buffalo's receivers are not
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: anything to write home about. You know, Khalisha care is
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a nice player, Daltkin Kaid's a nice player when he's healthy.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: But this is not prime Stefan Diggs in Buffalo anymore,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: where it's impossible to play man coverage against the.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Guy that good.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: They don't have that number one, true number one receiver.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Now it's worked in their favor at times because they've
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: spread the ball around a little bit more than maybe
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: they did during the Digs years. But like I was saying,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: in terms of like their run game, you know, they
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: don't they don't do what they used to do. This
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: is not an aggressive early down pass offense anymore. That's
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: just throw throw, throw, throw throw. You know, this is
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: a much more balanced team. This is a much more
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: run centric team. Uh And just kind of going to
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: what they are currently right now. You know, I think
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a couple of things about their offense, and we can
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: we're probably closer to on the same page about this
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and than maybe we think. You know, I think the
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: number one thing that I would see with their offense
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: is that and I'm hoping that with the extra week
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that like Vrabel and the coaching staff is going to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: be able to really be prepared for this game. I
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: see a lot of repeat plays on their film. They
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: run the same, like half a dozen plays in certain situations.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: You know, they run a lot of mesh on third down,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: you know, crossing routes over the middle of the field.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Usually it's mesh rail where they peer with a wheel
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: route out of the backfield by cook or Shakir on
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: motion or something like that. They run a lot of mesh.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: They run a lot of outside zone, especially to the
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: weak side of the formation. They run a lot of duo.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: They run a lot of the same plays. They just
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: run them all well, and so they kind of just
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: are that type of offense right now. There's certain though,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: you know, situational indicators and just kind of keys that
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you can read. I was texting you about this the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: other day. They run this like pop pass play action
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: that we've saw for years with Rob Gronkowski with the
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Patriots and Tom Brady. You pull the backside guard, you
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: get the linebackers to bite up on the pole, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: then you hit the crossing route to the tight end
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: or the same route to the tight end right behind
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the linebackers once they step up into the line of scrimmage.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: They want to guess, how often do you think that
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: they actually run the ball from under center with a puller,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: actually run it, not play action, but hand the ball
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: off to James Cook.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Is it a round number? It is a very low
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: round number. Zero five percent. Okay, five percent of the time,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: because zero's round, that's the joke. So five is not
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: a round.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, five percent of the time they actually run the ball.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So I was saying to you this the other day, like,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: why would you scream downhill at the line of scrimmage
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: if you see them pull a guard Like that's clearly
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: it's clearly going to be play action. It's going to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: be play action ninety five percent of the time. So
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: there's these little indicators, these little keys, these types of
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: things that when you watch this Bill's offense on film, Uh,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: with some extra time to prepare for it, I think
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the Patriots are going to be able to key on
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: these things. Now, that's not to say it's easy to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: stop them, because they have Josh Allen. They have a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: good offense. You know, they're top five in the league
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: in pretty much every metric. If you want to go
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: with points, you want to go at EPA, you want
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: to go with yards, DVA, whatever they're They're very good offense,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: but they've become predictable a little bit on offense. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: think the main reason they've become so predictable is that
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: it's been a revolving door of weapons around Josh Allen
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: trying to find the right mix, and so just they
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: don't have a ton of time on task. You know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: we talk a lot about the Patriots and their health
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. A big part of that is
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: that May Digs, Booty, Henry Douglas. They've all been repping
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: since like July. You know, Gabe Davis, yeah he's been
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: there before, but with this collection, in this group, Gave
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Davis just got there like three weeks ago, Brandon Cooks
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: just got there like two weeks ago or one week again.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Cooks hadn't even been in the system before.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: So, like we're talking about a lot of new favorite
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: you know, Shavers is playing a ton for them on
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the outside. He's a new player to this group. So
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I think you look at all these different types of things.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I do think that there are certain things that if
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: you just key in on situational tendencies. You know, they
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: don't run the ball very much at a poller, you
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: know with pollers, so if you see a pulling guard,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: then it's probably play action. It's probably not a run.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: They have a lot of window dressing or eye candy
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: to their offense. They're number one in the league in
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: motion rate. They have a lot of false pullers with
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: your run actions. They do a lot of this different
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: stuff and then they play kind of develops after the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: snap and it's kind of the same thing, right, You
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: just kind of have to sort through the mess first.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: So if you have good eye discipline, you're good with
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: your keys, anticipation, things like that. I do think there
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: is a formula here man coverage, you know, understanding their
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: situational tendencies and their go to plays that you see
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: games like Houston where they sack Allen eight times and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: they kind of dominate the game defensively.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a breakdown. How much to add you're
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: right they I mean against the Steelers, how many times
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: did they run that same so they you know, outside
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: it was outside zone stretch run whatever that was.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So they ran between outside zone and duo, which is
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: just the downhill double teams, which is the compliment to
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: outside zone for a lot of these teams, they ran
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: the ball taking Allen scrambles out. They ran it forty
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: three times. Forty out of forty three runs were those
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: two plays outside zone or.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: You know, the Steelers never adjusted to it, So at
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: a shirt at a certain point, shame on the Steelers
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: for that. Yeah, it's not They're not exactly going Joe
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Brady's not going deep in the bag. She think it's
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: not a deep bag for Joe Brady right now.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: What they do really and like I said, they just
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: dress up the plays differently, So they have motions they use,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe a slightly different formation, or maybe they
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: run it out of a slightly different personnel grouping. You know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: they're big eleven, twelve, twenty one, they kind of use
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: all three. So sometimes they just kind of like, we're
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: gonna run outside zone out of eleven, and then we're
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: gonna put twelve on the field and it's still gonna
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: be outside zone, but now we're just running it out
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of different groupings. So it's presented a little bit differently
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: to the defense, and so that type of stuff can
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: be difficult for defenses. You know, how are we gonna
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: match twelve? Are we gonna match twelve in base or
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: are we gonna match twelve in nickel?
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Like, how are we gonna handle you know, those types
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: of different formations and groupings. But at the end of
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: the day, when they snap the ball, it's just outside zone, right,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: So if you can get through all of the mess,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: all the nonsense. Now, the other element of this, the
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: numbers in the eye test tell you that they have
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: been worse against man coverage than they have against zone coverage.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Allen's been really really good against zone all year. I
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: think a big part of that is zone is quarterback
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: and system typically like just rule of thumb, the quarterback
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: reading out the coverage, finding the space in the zone,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: and then scheme like scheming open receivers. Man to man
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: is about the receivers, like we're gonna put this game
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: on Bruffalo's receivers. Your guys against our guys. Can you
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: win one on one matchups? So it's still again a
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: net positive, but so far they've been worse against man.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Now the tricky part against man, because I love the
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Patriots cornerback trio against this Bill's weapons group like I
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: think Gonzales Davis and Marcus Jones have a really good
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: chance of like controlling this game in the secondary for
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the Patriots. The rub is Allen right, like, how are
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: you going to rush him? How are you going to
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: spy him?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Potentially? And if you're in man now your back's turned,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: so you have to.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: So you have to have a exactly you have to
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: have a rush plan. You can't just play man to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: man and then have all four guys in the rush
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: to pin their ears back. So whether that's rushing five
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: to try to cover all the gaps on the line
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage, whether that's spying him, like whatever the case
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: may be, that you have to have some sort of
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: rush plan.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Who would you use it as a spy in this game?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Because they try?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I had Schooler and it didn't go so well in
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Week five, got a penalty on the sideline.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: We give another shot, I might say, yes, the athleticism,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: if not him, Yeah, I don't know that this is
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: so I'm doing. It's nice when I'm talking about the
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: draft this kind this time of year, but I am
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: still doing my annual like you know, players to watch
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: in college football playoff thing. I started working on that yesterday. Yeah,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of guys that like here are
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of linebackers that I'm just like the guy
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: like that that speed, you know, track down some of
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: these quarterbacks. I might give school another shot. If not him,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe Marte Mapu, although he struggled in
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: that role against Alan in past years, He's done it
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: a little bit, so yeah, yeah, I might go Schooler again. Honestly.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's to me that's one of the bigger
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: things about this matchup because I think the Patriots should
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: and will want to play as much man to man
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: as possible. But obviously you worry about Alan extending plays
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: or or just picking me right for try Dell Pettis
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: because he's just not that big, Like I think that's
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: the thing.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: That's you need side. But he is. He's been playing
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: good football series on the field a lot.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that the thing that like maybe Dell
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: p maybe they played dime with del Pettis. Yeah, and
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: it might not be Pettus who's the spy, but it
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: allows him to get some more speed on the field
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: to spy him. Uh.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: The biggest thing with with.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Alan that I think is makes him so hard as
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: a runner is people don't realize how big he is,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Like he's he's legitimately close to Cam Newton.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Rabel talked about him.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like six six two hundred and thirty five
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: two hundred and forty pounds.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: So he's a tank. He's six five seven.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's tough to bring down in the open field
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: because of that. Uh so he and he's pretty fast,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: but he's also just he's a tank. You know, he's
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: a tank in the open.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Field to thirty seven fields. I would take the over
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: on that. This isn't me insulting him, calling him fat.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's your thirty seven. I think he's
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: closer to fifty.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big boy. Yeah, he's a he's a
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: big dude. All Right, everybody thinks that I'm a Josh
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Allen apologist. Everybody thinks you hate Josh Allen. So before
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: we wrap this up, ye, where do you stand with
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen? Right now?
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I mean I stand. I've always stood with Josh Allen.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: He's a good quarterback. But I think sometimes people, for
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, like the love for this guy, are blinded
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: and in misplaced credit, Like the forty whatever yard touchdown
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: run he had against the Bengals. Don't be wrong, it's impressive.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about how that was a
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: really stupid zero blitz by the Bengals and he had
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: a red carpet walk into the end zone, Like yeah,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: that I gotta be Even as a Josh Allen guy,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: that particular play didn't really move me, you know. So
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, he had the touchdown where it's
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: a good play by him to extend it. I think
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: it was the first touchdownchhound's ridiculous. Well, there's one where
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: it was forty four I think is Osai whoever it
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: was for the Bengals. Yeah, just doesn't turn around. If
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: he turns around, he breaks the pass up easily throw.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: I think it was a good play to extend it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: But they could have been defended a lot better. So
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: that's just where I'm at, Like, yeah, he's a good player,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: but I think people get you get too carried away
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: with him, and it just annoys me because at the
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: end of the day, and look, this won't be decided
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: this week. Yeah, he now has an MVP. Although it's
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: that I've called it the Joel Embat MVP got more
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Lifetime Achievement Award than a real MVP. There it is
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: the postseason successes has not really been there, Like people
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: put him on the level and I know Burrow choked
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: badly in that game. Joe Burrow's been with super Bowl.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson has multiple MVPs, Mahomes obviously Mahomes. I've just
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: always kind of struggled to put him in that tier
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: because the big picture accolade, he's a very talented player,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: and he has moments where he's very impressive. He hasn't
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: reached that group with the big picture accolades.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: In my mind, I think that's a fair assessment in
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: terms of the I mean, there's no arguing like he
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: hasn't made a Super Bowl. He's made one AFC Championship
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: game and lost.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: And I'll say this too because people call in and
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: get Matt while you're hating him, and you still gotta
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: givehim a chance. I don't think Josh Allen is the
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: biggest reason the Bills have not won. I think it's
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Sean McDermott. I can't be clear enough about that, Like
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: if they had another they should have gotten rid of
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: mcnermot two years ago. Yeah, they should have gotten rid
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: of him probably last year too, like I, well, yeah,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: like they there are deeper issues there that, Like I
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think Josh Allen is a player that you
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: can't win with. I think that's more bills issue than
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: a Josh Allen issh you. But there are times that
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: he hasn't helped the cause.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: So I think there's two things with Josh Allen that
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: sort of move the needle in my direction. The first
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: thing is obvious, like he's just fun to watch, like
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: he just makes some crazy plays. It's it's very similar
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to Drake, like he's just yeah, they just make unworldly
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: plays like these just highlight reel plays.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: So does Mahomes, So does Lamar.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like watching those not really Mahomes. Mahomes
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: not so much anymore watching Lamar too.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Have you seen the splits on Mahomes Preen post Tyreek
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Hill By the way, now we have more of a
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: sample size, but it's just the point p'sally pleasing people.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: It is with Lamar, Yes, people act like it's it's
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say Josh Alla it's not different
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: because he is I don't think it's there are other
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: guys kind of doing similar stuff to what Alan's doing,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: it might look a little different, like and it's not
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: a lot of them.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I think Drake Man is doing stuff that's I think.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Drake is I think Lamar to an extent, YEA, I
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: know I'm probably missing some Lamar is a different runner,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I think the the other element.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: With Josh Allen, it just from my standpoint, is that
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: he's probably the hardest quarterback to defend in the in
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the league because he's just so otherworldly talented physically, Like
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: there's really not a weakness to his game from a
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: physical talent standpoint, because of how good he is with
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: his arm man with his legs.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I think Lamar is harder to defend.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: I think Lamar LaMarsh Allen's probably harder to tackle.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Lamar to me, and I love Lamar, you know, yeah,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: but Lamar is a between the numbers thrower. Like if
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you can get Lamar and we'll talk about this a
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: lot more next week, but if you can.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Get Lamar, and he's also this year, is not if
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: you can.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Funnel the ball outside the numbers and make him push
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the ball outside the numbers, Lamar is not the same.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Whereas I think Alan is capable of hitting any spot
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: on the field, and I think he's capable of running
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: over any Yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: The fact I think some of it is you go
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: to go back to what we talked about about the
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: issues running deeper with Alan. He's been through. How many
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinators now like handful the way the Ravens use
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Lamar jack like, because they really encourage you to play heavy,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: and now you want to take these things away that
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: aren't easy to take away when you're in a base defense.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: And I maybe maybe, yeah, we're doing the semantics thing again. No,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying is so unique. Lamar is
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: harder to game plan for Alan. Maybe in the moment
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: for the players on the field, is tougher to defend.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: But I think in terms of the x's and o's,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: in terms of the chess match, Lamar provides more of
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: a challenge.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. In terms of the uniqueness
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: of Baltimore's offense. You know, Baltimore's No one runs an
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: offense like Baltimore because they can't.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Rightmar is the only quarterback that can do it. So
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: that might be more difficult.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: But I feel like without and I think we say
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the same thing about Drake May, we're getting to say
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that we're getting there. There's just nothing that's off the
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: menu with Josh Allen, whereas I not that it's off
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the menu with Lamar. But like Lamar's ability again to
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: throw the ball outside numbers, throw the deep ball outside
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the numbers on go routes this year. I looked this
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: up the other day because I was doing some Ravens stuff.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Lamar is six for twenty this year, throwing the go
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: routes six for twenty, right, Like, that's just not and
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: maybe that's more about the receivers than it is about him,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: but it's just not a very high percentage. So I
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: think Alan kind of threatens more blades of grass, if
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: you will, than Lamar Jackson does. But both of them
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: are awesome. Ye, both of them are great. But I
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: think with this Bills team, this is the weakest that
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I've seen the Bills in quite some time, probably since
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: before Alan became MVP candidate, you know, twenty twenty ish
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: around there. Defensively, this is a is the worst that
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I've seen them. No, Ed Oliver, He's not coming back
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: for this game. Joey Bosas banged up, Terrelle Bernard is
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: banged up. But I would also look at their secondary
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and outside of Benford, they've kind of struggled to move
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: into this next era in the secondary where it's no
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: more and I know he's back technically playing a role,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: but yeah, there's no more Poyer, there's no more hide,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: there's no more you know, he's again. These guys are
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: all there because it's the big Trey White is kind
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: of washed, right, Toron Johnson even there, they're really good.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Nickel Corner, he's kind of having a little bit of
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: a down year as far as he's you know, his
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: play is considered. Maybe his play is starting to move
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: in that opposite direction. And then the bigger thing is
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: outside of James Cook and Khalil Shakir, their weapons just
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: haven't been consisted. Yeah, there's no there's no downfield passing
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: game really for them right now. You know, when you
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: ever you see Josh Allen in like the middle of
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the table in terms of air yards pass attempt, you're like, wait,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: that Josh Allen is in the is like twentieth in
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: air yards, Like that's crazy. Uh So, I don't think
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that this is uh the.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Beast, right, And it goes back to my point on Alan,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Like when they were cooking her Alan Allen Allen, and
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I said this at that I didn't. I said this
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: well before he became a Patriot. Stefon Diggs as good
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: as he was in Buffalo. Yes, I thought was one
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: of the most underrated players in the league because he
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: did not get nearly enough credit for what that offense
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: was because everybody just wanted to solo give credit to
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Alan and some of the other guys by others like
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Gabe Dave was still there, right, and you see what
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: they've become without that receiver. I don't know. I feel
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: like I've been proven right a little bit on that
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: that Stefon Diggs as good as he was in Buffalo,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: and I think people recognize him for being a very
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: good player. He did not get nearly the credit he
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: should have gotten for what that offense was at its peak.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're seeing what he's doing here, and you'd
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: see what he's doing here, and he's helped the engine
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: move here.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I like he's a good player. He's a
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: good chain mover, he's really good with the ball in
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: his hands. You know, he's basically like a running back
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: with the football in his hands. Kincaid's given them problems.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: You know, had a big game in Week five. We'll
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: see how healthy he is.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: We had a tight end thing again with that.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for this, we'll get to that in a little bit.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I think that's the But at the end of the day,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: like I said, this is the the easiest Bill's offense
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: to defend that they've played in a while. How about that.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: You know, guys, we're talking about how are they to defend?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: This is about as easy as to going to get
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: So don't don't blow this opportunity.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: We'll we'll see how Brandon Bean continues to mangle this
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: roster next year, I think.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: And I want to move on, but I think you
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: make a good point about their their brain trust.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: It's not just Sean McDermott like this. This roster is
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: not as good. Well well, so here's why I put
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: McDermott ahead of Bean in terms of the issues.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Because to me, they're they're they're both came from Carolina.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Started to cut you off, but they both came from Carolina.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: They're they're tight at the hip, like that's they are pairing.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: To me, it's it's both of them. And I don't
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: think this roster is as good as it's been.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: But when the roster was better, McDermot still couldn't get
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: over the top. That's like like Bean gave him the
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: tools at one point. He doesn't have them now. Yeah,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have them now, but being gained the tools
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: at one point. But like you look at us, they've
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: tried to reset it. I mean, I don't know if
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: you want to take a key on Coleman Victory lap
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I know he caught a touchdown last week, but yeah,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: it's they they might need a reset there.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they their roster, just looking at you know, the receivers,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: and I know what they tried to they they've tried
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: to argue and he's actually argued about this publicly. Bean
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: has is is they tried there, They tried to claim
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: they're doing the Brady thing or like Alan is so
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: good that he doesn't need the superstar receivers because he's
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: good enough to elevate the receivers that they have.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: And you better have some talent on defense.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but their defense has dropped off, and that's that's
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: on him. And they've made some weird draft picks, and
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: in kyr Ilum Max Hairston.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: We like Kyrie Elum, we can't well, we.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Liked him for the Patriots, but they drafted a man
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: corner to play in his own system. And then they
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: also drafted Max Harriston, who I wasn't really too gung
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: ho about, not because he's been injured and like, that's
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: not why. But I wasn't like a huge hole.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: There were I think off field flags there too.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to say that I know everything.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: It's the weirdest thing they've done is still the one
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: they didn't the move they didn't make, which is essentially
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: trading Xavier Worthy to the Chiefs. I will never understand
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: why they did it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: He hasn't been great either, He's.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Been a lot better than Keon Coleman. He's been more functional.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: The fact that he's even if he hasn't been amazing,
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: he's an ideal fit for what the Chiefs do. The
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Chiefs at the time were the Bill's biggest roadblock in
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: the AFC. I get why maybe Buffalo wanted to trade
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: that pick. I get why they maybe wanted to trade down.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: They didn't get nearly enough to trade down, and they
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: gave a player who's ideal for the system to the
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: biggest competitor they had in the AFC. That, to me,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: is still one of the most questionable draft moves I've
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: seen in my time doing this. It like, honestly, it
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: didn't burn them as bad as it should have. And
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: it's burned in pretty bad, but it didn't burn them
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: as bad as it should have. Fair Enough, all right,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: we got to hit the break here soon. But I
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: let's take Patty's call in a couple of emails, and
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: we'll take the break in a few minutes, and then
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: we'll do our bye week exercise. Patty, what's up?
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: Hey, what's going on? All right, guys, I'm gonna get
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: a little deep here. Just hang with me, but I
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: guarantee you it's gonna all make sense at the end. Now,
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: when I first looked at the schedule this year, I
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: saw three matchups that I did not like. The coaching
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: matchup for the One was Pete Carroll and the Raiders,
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: one was Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, and one was
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: John Harbaugh and the Ravens. Now Alex, I don't know
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: if you remember this but I called into the Sunday
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: kickoff one morning, I think it was the Bills game,
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: prior to the Bills game, after Drake had a pretty
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: good game against Carolina, and I said, how long before
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: us Patriots fans starts saying we're gonna win this game
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: because we have Drake Man as quarterback. I'm that same token,
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: I'm that same Noah, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna ask
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: this question as Patriots stands, when are we going to
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: start saying we're gonna win this game because we have
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: Drake May as our quarterback and Mike Brabel is our coach. Evan,
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: I love you, but I am one behind Alex. If
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: Sean Payton was the coach of the Bills right now,
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: they would have won the probably won the Super Bowl
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: last year. It's thirteen games into Mike Brabel's Patriots career
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: and he is already far and away the best coach
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: in the division. It's not it's not close. I'm sorry.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely I'm not a McDermott guy.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Don't get don't get my Allan if you know you're
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: not guy, because you're such an Allen guy and you
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: need a scapegoat.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Sure, and that's convenient for my argument.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: All right, sure, but but Alan is awesome. He is
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: He's one of the best quarterbacks of this generation. I Alex, sorry,
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: I agree with Evan. I put him right there with Mahomes.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: I put him over I maybe not Burrow, I put
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: him on the same level as Burrough, but a little
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: bit above Lamar. He's not gonna get done by himself.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: You said it, Evan, this is not the same Buffalo
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: Bills team that was that we even played last year.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that we struggled to.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: Beat in Week eighteen. There's no doubt in my mind
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: after listening to your analysis how the Bills like to
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: run basically the same five offensive plays, that Brabel's gonna
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: have this team ready. He knows what's at steak, he
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: knows what's on the line. And I've been I've been
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: really close all year picking picking games, and I generally
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: don't do this on catch twenty two, but I am
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: picking the Patriots to win thirty four to twenty one'd
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: be great to be particularly close. I think the Bills
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: might come out and show a little flash at the beginning,
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: but honestly, I think they're just gonna stomp their asses
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: into the dirt to end the game, and like I said,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: he knows what's on the line. I think this team
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: is hungry. I think this team you said that was
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: the more desperate team yesterday. It might be the Bills,
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: but I think the Patriots are the more hungrier team.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: And you know what, they win it.
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: I'm with you.
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: I'm with you to Evan, I can't wait to get
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: the hat and T shirt myself.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: What freaking baby, Thanks for the call. Twenty one would
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: be great. That's gonna be a quick game to write about.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: I get to catch the end of Philip Rivers against
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks, nice nicely. He mentioned Rabel having the team
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: ready off the bye. I think I talked about the
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: stat last week on the show, but I'll bring it
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: up again. Mike Rabel career as a head coach coming
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: off the by six and oh five wins by multi
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: score margins. He gets his team's ready coming off the bye.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and his coach is there. I might disagree with
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: a few of them. I am not a McDermott guy.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I'm an Allen guy, but I'm not.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: The same reason you don't like Tua because in your mind.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: That's why Mike McDaniel did no no, I just I
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: McDermott to me is.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Part of the problem. Like I've used the Mark Jackson
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: comparison a million times with Sean McDermott. Yeah, like he
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: he's the coach before the coach, and they've just been
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: really running out of time. They've been really slow to
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: move on from him, Like too slow.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: It's his ninth year, right.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: If you're a Patriots fan, and I'm not saying you
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: should be worried, but I know this. We're gonna talk
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: about this in a second. There's a lot of like
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: who do you fear right now as a Patriots fan?
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: But the biggest fear with Buffalo to me is that
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Buffalo hires the right coach, right, Like if they go
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: out and they hire the right head coach for Josh Allen,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: like they're gonna win Super Bowl maybe, I.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Mean, they're gonna have to fix the roster at this point.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: That's then when I said they should have moved on
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: for mcdermotag.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: If they get the right guys in charge in Buffalo there,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: it's not.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Just the coach. I mean it's his ninth year, right, Yeah,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: is it? Time to start talking about my favorite list again.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Coaches ten plus years with the team without winning a
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. Marv Levy, Marv Lewis, Ted Marchibroda, Jeff Fisher,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Dan Reeves, Jason Garret, Andy Reid and Philly, Dennis Green,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Jim Moore, Bud Grant. Well one year away from adding
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: two names to that list, Evan Sean McDermott. And who's
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: hired the same year as McDermott, Mike Tomlin. No, the
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: guy that he's won a super like twenty years ago. Well,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: but he had. The point is like, it's not on
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: the resume, yet he keeps him up. McDermott's not usually
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: the reason I bring up this list. There's another guy
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: that I usually bring up this list for that has
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: oh Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, so they were hired in the
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: same year. Yeah, at least Kyle Shanon has been to
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: two Super Bowls, Marvel Leaving went to four, and mar
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Levy's in the Hall of Fame. That's true for now,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: that's the comp All right, we're gonna take a quick break.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: But two emails. Sorry, Alex, I keep throwing you off
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: My bad. Uh, these are two emails about one about
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: me and one about you. Oh okay, because we did
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: start off the show a little bit spicy, so we
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: deserve some of this, he says. From Josh and Atlanta
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Big Keyboard Warrior, Josh and Atlanta says his subject line,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Evan's hypocrisy. Evan doesn't have time for the nonsense, but
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: keeps bringing up his social media mentions across both podcasts.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: It's a good point. Talked about this yesterday.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because like y'all are a bunch of whiny babies,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: like stop whining on social media and about sports like relaxed.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: You can't whine. We can't have fun, we can't make
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: jokes exactly.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: We don't know room, we don't care. He's on your side.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Let me finish the email. We don't care. But when
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Alex talks about the QB situation of a potential playoff opponent,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Evan is incredibly dismissive. Alex, don't let Evan steal your shine.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: His Drake mail love fueled ego gas ballooned to new levels.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Wow, Josh, think you I don't think liking Drake May
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: is anything to do with putting down Philip Rivers. It's
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: not like Rivers gonna come steal the m v B. Now,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: is there a case for him to make comeback Player
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: of the Year. Maybe, but I yeah, it's it's it's
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: a very interesting story. It's an interesting I don't think
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: you talk about this.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't say I don't want to talk about what
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I told you is is that. I what I don't
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: find interesting about it is like it the meme culture
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: element of it, Like I don't care about.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: This is so funny, such a thing. It is kind funny.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: But also it's like a forty four year old guy
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: who's been retired for five years coming back to like
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL is a wild story. It's an
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: interesting thing to talk about. It's an interesting thing. They consider.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: So this email is bashing you because we got one
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: that bashed me. Now I got to go on that
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: bashed you. And uh, Mike takes a stray in this
• 1:00:20
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  Speaker 2: Kadlick just love drama. I have so much respect for
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  Speaker 2: Evan and Taylor. Kyle so compliments flowers to Taylor because
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  Speaker 2: they have to put up with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Your guys is nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: I love the way Evan and Taylor loves the love
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  Speaker 3: It's like, I love the drama me classically. I love
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  Speaker 2: The irony of this whole thing is that I'm the
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  Speaker 2: reality TV guy out of the two of us. But
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  Speaker 2: you do the reality TV with the sports. But I
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  Speaker 2: got I don't with like, do I really do it
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  Speaker 2: that much? I really don't think I do a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I mean a little bit, But no, I'm interested in
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  Speaker 3: the football side. This is the thing I talk about
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  Speaker 3: the things that like Belichick at UNC, right, and remember,
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  Speaker 3: oh you want the drama of Bill No, I literally
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  Speaker 3: just wanted to see what he looked like coaching college
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  Speaker 3: football and that was it. I didn't care about what
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  Speaker 3: was happening off the field. Same thing with this, Like
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  Speaker 3: I there's yeah, there's some funny jokes that are being
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  Speaker 3: made about it. I don't is there drama in this?
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  Speaker 3: In the Philip Rivers thing, No, a forty four year
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  Speaker 3: old retired five years was an All Pro caliber quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: wasn't terrible his last year in Indy wasn't what he was.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't terrible. They went to the playoffs, Like, what
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  Speaker 3: does this look like? I don't know how you can't
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  Speaker 2: I know, all right, let's take that break, Alex.
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  Speaker 2: Was originally some know in the forecast for Sunday, but
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  Speaker 2: now it's kind of maybe not.
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  Speaker 3: It's supposed to snow Saturday and it's supposed to snow Monday.
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  Speaker 3: Is there anything we can do about that?
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  Speaker 7: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Why is it skipping Sunday?
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  Speaker 2: You want it to?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you do? You do love snow football. David andrews
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  Speaker 3: with me on that, by the way, Yeah, because he played,
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  Speaker 3: it's different.
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  Speaker 2: It's different.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so the players don't the players don't know better
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  Speaker 3: than us.
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  Speaker 2: No, oh my god, no, I understand why he would
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: have fun playing in the snow. I had fun playing
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: in the snow. We all had fun playing in this
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: watching it's just not I don't find it fun to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: analyze a game that was played at like the Bills
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Bengals game. I kind of almost throw that entire game
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: out because they like they're playing in a blizzard. It's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: not the conditions aren't the same.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the fans care. What's easier, harder for
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: you to analyze. I think people want to be entertained.
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  Speaker 3: Snow football is, yeah, very entertained.
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  Speaker 2: I don't say the fans care, and I said I care.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: I want for the fans opinion, which best for the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: fans is what's best for us covering the sport, good
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: for the goose, good for the game exactly. So if
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: there's anything we can do, that old weather machine still
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: lying around, if we can get one of those storms moved,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: but I think it's just flurries. But like we get
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: one of those moves by like twenty four hours, that'd
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: be great.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Well, Okay, if it does snow, then the Jilted Stadium
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: field crew will have Aaron's snowblowers to try to clear
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: off the field during the game. So the snow is
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: going to continue to fall, and when it does, we
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  Speaker 2: So it's interesting, I think in terms of the snow
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: angle of it, I find this to be one of
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: the things that people get wrong analyzing football the most,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: and I think maybe we're uniquely equipped to talk about
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: it because we've experienced so many snow games. People think
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: you can't throw the ball in the snow, which I
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: think could be further from.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: The so kind of like if it's windy, right then
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: it changes it. But no, sorry, can I know what
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: you're gonna say, You're.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Right, So I think, well, I just think a lot
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of people because I was listening to one of the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: pregame shows on Sunday before it Bill's Bangles, and they
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: all want to take the air out of the ball.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, you got it's the snow. You got to
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: be able to run the ball. You got to be
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: able to do No, you are so much better.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Off trying to get the ball in space right in
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: snow because it's so hard to cut that when you
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: know where you're going, versus trying to react to somebody
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: cutting on defense, you have such a huge advantage.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: So the game on site not just that well. And
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: this is depending on the snow in the surface, but
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: you also hear players talk about blocking in the run
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: game is very hard when you don't have your footing
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: in the snow is incredibly so you know, if it's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: like flurries whatever, and it's different grass versus turf, but no,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: it is actually as long as it's not too windy,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: it is easier to throw the ball in the snow.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Now if it's you know, one of these blizzards where
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: you're getting forty to fifty mile an hour winds. Right,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: the snowball. Now it's now it's just hard to do
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: everything but right, So lose the ability to run before
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: you lose the ability to throw.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: I remember Brady also talking about in the snow, and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: this kind of goes to your point about footing in
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: the trenches. He was like, I was never under any
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: pressure because these pass rushers could not get off the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: ball and because they're footing, they were like pitter pattering,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and there was never any pressure on the quarterback.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: So if it's not windy, if it's not like a
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: driving wind or something like that, then it absolutely is
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: a throw the ball type of weather if you can again,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: you know, cut it through the wind right. And I
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: think that we hear so many analysis is, you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: leading into snow games, like well they're gonna have to
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: run it forty times because it's snowing. No, no, no,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: if it's if it's windy, you got to run it right.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Well, because I think people get mixed up because in
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: the rain you don't want to throw the ball because
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: the grip and all that. But like this, the ball
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't get as wet in the snow, if that makes sense.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: And again it depends on the kind of snow and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: the storm you're dealing with. But so the boy, how
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: many yards did Brady throw four in that snowstorm against
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: the Titans.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Which like three hundred in the first half, And that
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: was one where touchdown passes in the first It was
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: snowing hard.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: That was not a windy day they threw.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: They threw a deep bombed flee flicker to Randy Moss
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the of the snow.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: It's twenty nine nine, I think, So I want to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: find what the weather was that day.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I think it was nine.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was. I don't know why. I always forget
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: if that's O nine or I.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Think he threw six touchdown passes in the first half
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: if I remember correct.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Thirty nine degrees ten mile an hour wins. So it
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: was breezy but not windy. Yeah, that's like in snow
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: like that's a great day to throw the football. Brady
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: threw for three hundred and eighty yards and then Brian
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Hoyer tacked on fifty two more.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was going for the record of
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: touchdown passes in a game at one point, and I
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: think they just decided it was more important to keep
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: them upright, and it was to go for records, individual records.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: So the little bye week exercise that we wanted to do,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: and then we'll take some more calls and emails. There's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of talk around town about, you know, blueprints
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: and like who do you fear, and like which team
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: worries you the most and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So in typical cashway two fashion, I thought it'd be
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: cool if we actually like reverse engineer this. Yeah, so
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about how we would defend the Patriots,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: and you attack the Patriots, and then I want to
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: talk about which teams in the AFC could press those
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: buttons the best, you know, which teams could actually execute
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: the game plan. So let's start with the Patriots offense.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: And I know there's been there's been talking. I think
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Phil Perry was the first one that kind of had
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: this take about Drake may potentially being blueprint proof. And
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: I agree to the extent that, like he's at the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: point now where like you can only hope to slow
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: him down, You're not going to completely stop him. I think,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: but that doesn't that there aren't ways that he's less
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: efficient than others.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: I think that where that take might come from, I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: didn't hear Phil's whole thing, so I apologize from stepping
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: on or whatever. But like every time this year the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: offense as a whole has struggled with something and we
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: come in here next week, like, oh they struggle with that,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: they come out the next week and they dominate in
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: that facet of the game, and that's credit to Drake,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: that's credit to the rest of the office, credit to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: the coaching staff. So it feels a little and there's
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: more things that they'll be approached with right that they're
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: going to need to take care of. So I don't
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: want to say he's blueprint proof, but to this point,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: every time we think there's a blueprint, they come out
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: the next week and they beat whatever that scheme is
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: fair enough.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: So I think there's two ways that I look at
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: them right now and say, if I was defending the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Patriots offense, this is what I would do. Yep, I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: would say the first one is probably what I would
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: lean on the most, uh, and that is just drop
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: everybody in coverage. Yeah, seven eight guys in coverage drop eight,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: you know that type of thing. I think the best
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: reps that I've seen against Drake May on third down
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: specifically were by Cleveland and Tampa and they played drop
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: eight coverage, So they dropped seven guys technically in coverage. Yeah,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: one was a spy on Drake May and then they
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: rushed three. So I think that's probably the best way
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: to do it, because I think the second that you
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: blitz him, that's a no go. I think you have
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: to spy him because of his mobility, whether it's extending
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: blazer scrambling. So I think the drop eight strategy is
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: something that is such a tiny little sample size that
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: it's too small of a sample size to have an
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: exact measurement on. He's only phased ten dropbacks of drop
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: eight all year, so it's like that's you can't really
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: base it on any numbers.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: You really can't. The other things, you really can't play
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: that way an entire game, you can't. It's really only
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: like a third and long, third and medium type of thing.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: But he has a negative EPA.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Against drop eight, tiny tiny sample size, but he does
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: have a negative EPA and strap A, so that would
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: be the first thing that I would try if I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: was going up against Drake May. Three man rush, one
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: man spy, seven guys in coverage, try to flood the
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: field with defenders and go that route. You know, back
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: in what week was the Browns game, week seven weeks whatever,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: we gave whatever it was the Carson Sweessinger pick in
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: the first half. Sweeshinger on that play was actually the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: spy and he threw it to the spy. That was
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: three man rush, spy, seven guys with man coverage, like
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: and I think that's sort of been the best blueprint
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: I've seen against Drake. The other thing that I would
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: try a little bit, and we talked about this a
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: little bit with the Bills, I would try to play
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: some man coverage against this Patriots team. I think their
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: receivers are good. I don't know if their receivers are great.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I would try to man up on the Patriots receivers.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Drake May's efficiency just a little bit worse against man
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: than it is against zone. He's the best zone quarterback
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: in the league right now, first and EPA against zone,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: So if you play him in man, you're spying him.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: That's what I would try to do. I wouldn't blitz Nope,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't play like conventional zone because he's gonna
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: find the opening.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: I'm playing, you know, three deep I'm taking. I'm basically
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: copy and pasting most of the Josh Allen game plan. Yeah,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: play deep, take away the deep ball, force them to
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: drive the ball eight ten to twelve plays to make
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: them be perfect. Rush plans that encourage them to use
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: the run game more than they probably want to, and
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: make them nicklin dine their way down the field. Make
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: them be perfect. That'd be my game plan. The one
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: thing I would change from how we typically talk about
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Allen is I don't want Drake May. I want Drake
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: May stepping up in the pocket. I don't want him
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: getting out of the pocket, especially when he rolls to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: his right. You know some quarterbacks it's flush him out
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: because it takes away the opposite side of the field.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: Drake's arm is too big for that. He can roll
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: out to his right in the whole field is still
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: at his disposal. I want him and he can. Also,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: he's a better runner when he gets outside the pocket.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: You know, if he's going to step up in the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: pocket and then just kind of run and get five
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: or six yards, I'll take that as a win and
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: I'll make him do that all day. So I'm with
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: you in a lot of it. I'm taking away the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: deep ball, I'm taking away the sidelines. Force him to
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: be short accurate in the middle of the field and
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: make him do that for eight, ten, twelve plays. And
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: if he wants to run, he has to run stepping
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: up through the pocket where there's going to be a
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: spy waiting for him, rather than you know, allowing him
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: to get to the outside and now he can outrun
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: the spy or he can throw the ball because he
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: has more room. Like I'm not, I would rather allow
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: him to scramble up the middle than let him leave
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: the pocket and do whatever he's going to do outside
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: the pocket.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: So I just think that, you know, when you look
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: at some of the numbers, and then you will you
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: look at the eye test.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with Drake May, I don't understand.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I just am perpexed by,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: along with some of the blitzing that teams have done
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: against him, the Patriots are still seeing a extremely high
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: rate of single high state.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: I don't understand this, and it really does surprise me.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: And I think that the obvious the obvious thing I
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: think is that they feel like their weapons on the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: outside aren't very good, and so they just don't have
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: a ton of fear for Kaishawn, Booty maccollins, Kyle Williams,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: those guys running the ball down, you know, beating them
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: down the field, whatever you think of those three names
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: that I just named. Though, when the quarterback is putting
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: the ball on a on a penny, you know, right,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: and he's putting the ball right on their hands fifty
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: yards down the field, these guys are still NFL receivers
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: that they're going to catch more of those passes than
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: they're not going to catch, right, So they might not
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: create a ton of separation. They might not be you know,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: prime Randy Moss running down the sideline, but when Drake
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Mays is so accurate on the deep ball, they're still
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: pros like they're still going to catch the ball when
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: it hits them in the hands more times than not.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: So the Patriots right now are still seeing a league
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: high rate. I think it's they're there one or two
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: I can't remember off the top of my head, and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: how much single high safety they're seeing Drake may is
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: second in the league and EPA against single high He's
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: third in the league in passer rating if you want
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: to use traditional passer rating. His traditional passer rating against
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: single high safety coverage is one hundred and ten. And
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: teams keep doing it. So again, like we're kind of
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: both saying, like, at what point does a team say, Nah,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: we're putting the top on the defense. You're second in
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the league and it is supposed to pass rate. We're
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: not allowing this him to just deep ball his way
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: down the field. We're gonna make you march. You're gonna
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: have to score in the red zone, which has been
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: a problem for them. Like, that's what I would do.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I would play Ben don't break against the Patriots. If
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: you want to simplify it and make it as simple
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: as you possible.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: I basically play the defensive Patriots have been playing this year.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben don't break on the other side of the ball.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: This is a very interesting sort of split between eye
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: tests and numbers that we have going on here. The
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: eye test would tell you that if you look at
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: the Patriots defense on paper, you would want to attack
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: their linebackers in safeties and coverage. You know, tight ends,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: running backs, middle of the field, and in the beginning
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: of the season that was absolutely bearing out with the numbers.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: The numbers in the beginning of the year and all
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: three of those categories were poor. They've really leveled off,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: they've kind of steadied the ship in this regard, and
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: now the numbers are actually saying they're a very good
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: pass defense for the most part against the middle of
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: the field and against tight ends and backs. But it
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: still feels like, if you want to beat the Patriots,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: throwing at Carlton Davis and Christian Zales and Marcus Jones
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: is not as good of an idea as throwing against
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Robert Splain, Jack Gibbons, Christianelli's, Craig Woods and Jalen Hawkins.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: And that's some disrespect to those players. It's just obvious.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Do you want to throw at the all pro corner
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: or do you want to throw at the linebackers and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: safeties in the middle of the field.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: So I think, because we've talked about this a little.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Bit off the air, that you still fall in that
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: category that if you were playing the Patriots, you would
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: still try to work the middle of the field, work
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: the tight ends.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Do that so yeah, I think the big thing for
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: me is I'd be pretty play action heavy. And so
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: some of this is like, Okay, wegame planning for them
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: with or without Milton Williams, because you know, if Milton
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Williams is in there, outside runs into play action and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: then target the tight end and then try to get
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: some speed in the slot and use that to stretch
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: the vertically. The Patriots have not been very good against
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: play action this year. They're twenty fifth in the league
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: in yards per play allowed to play action. I know
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: that's a dinosaur stat to you, but I think their
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: EPA isn't great either. If I'm right in that regard,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to try to act like I understand it,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: but hit the play action. Now, if they don't have
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Milton Williams, it's a more you know, inside gap run game,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: but I'm still hitting the play action off that. And again,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: I want to hit the tight end and and I
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: want to get some speed in the slot, keep the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: ball away from those outside corners, and then if they're
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: going to play that off coverage that they've been playing,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: you know, bring those outside receivers underneath into the middle
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: of the field and throw the ball there. Yeah, so
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: I think we're kind of on the same page.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Again for the most part, I wrote down just aggressive
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: early down passing. I still think that if you look
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: at the Patriots both eye test and numbers, Yeah, they're
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: first and second down pass defense is where they're the
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: most vulnerable. They're they're twenty fourth in the league right
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: now and early down EPA per drop back. So like
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: they don't stop a lot of teams on first and
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: second down, they're great on third down. They and they
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: that's what they do, right, They kind of stall a
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: lot of teams, like right outside the red zone, right,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of those types of drives that they
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: kind of get onto the other side of the fifty
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: and they'll face a third down at like they're the
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Patriots like thirty five or forty years right.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Around midfield and we're down. Oh. That also reminds me
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: to go back to the offense real quick, something I do. Yeah,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: or like a point of mind of I'm defending the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: Patriots offense, I wouldn't be like part of the reason
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting back. Let him get in the red zone,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: let him get to a goal, because they've they've struggled there.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I look at the way that you know,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I if I was, like, you know, just talking about
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Buffalo specifically because of this week. If I was Buffalo,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: I throw the ball forty five times. I throw it early,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: and I throw it often.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: See, that's where it gets weak because I don't I've
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: talked to It's funny we've come full circle because I've
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: talked about the Bills doing this against the Patriots. You
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: can't try to reinvent yourself that aggressively in the NFL,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: because even if that's the ideal game plan, if you
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: don't have the players to execute it, and I know
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: people are, that's not right. But in who's he throwing to? Yeah,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: you said before, like that's been a big part of
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: the reason I would be nervous if I'm the Bills
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: throwing even with that quarterback. That's how bad I think
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: their weapons are. And by the way their lines all
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: banged up, it's not forget to state their line is
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: in Yeah, I would not like in theory, that's the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: way to play the Patriots. I think you're right. Big picture,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: do the Bills, even with Josh Allen, do the Bills
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: have the talent necessary to pull off that game plan,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: so I don't know that they do.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: We'll get to it in a second, because then I
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: want to talk about teams that can hit these buttons.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: So twenty fourth in early down pass EPA, they're twenty
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: ninth and explosive play rate allowed on first and second down,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: So I just I think a lot of teams and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: they also played a ton of zone on first and
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: second down. There's seventy five percent zone on first and
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: second down. So we've taken many of calls and emails
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: about this, Alex, about people frustrated with all the soft
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: zone coverage, you know, off coverage, soft zone. If you're
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: willing to take those profits against the Patriots, those opportunities
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: are there.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: You don't want to get into.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Third down against them. You don't want to allow them
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: to play, you know, put their man coverage on the
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: field like that. That's really what you don't want to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: get into with the Patriots defense. But I do think
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: their early down pass defense can still be had and
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: maybe some of that goes to the tight end and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: the play action and all that good stuff that you
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: were talking about as well. So that is what we
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: would do. That's the self scout right of the pots.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Now the question is is which teams could execute that
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: the best in the AFC playoff picture. And I think
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: we're going to disagree on our order here pretty significantly,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to this. I will put this
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: one caveat on my order. If Daniel Jones was healthy
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: for the Indianapolis Colts, I'd probably have them a lot
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: higher on the list.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: So again, you're you're sleeping on, Philip Rivers.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: If Daniel Jones was healthy for the Colts. A team
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: that could take away explosive plays on offense, you know,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots offense to them on defense, A team
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: that could attack early down, you know, pass defense that
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: could throw to the tight end that you know, had
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of play action on first and second down
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: like that. You're kind of that's the Colts like that.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: That's that's what they are. They don't have Daniel Jones,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: so they don't have their quarterback. They're going with forty
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: four year old grandpa over there. Your favorite story good
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: of all time, Philip Rivers, Where which team fears you
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: the most? Which team do you worry about the most
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: that can hit those buttons.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: In terms of attacking the Patriots defense in terms of
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: attacking the Patriots like what they're I mean, I definitely
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: think there's teams that can pull off that defensive I
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: think there's more team the defensive game plan we laid out,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: and granted it's a lot less complex, yeah, but I
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: think there's more teams that can execute that defensive game
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: plan that can execute the offensive, you know, in terms
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: of the teams that can can hit some of that
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: play action stuff, that have the tight ends, that have
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: the slot receiver talent, like one of them. One of
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: the teams I go to is the Chargers. They play
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: that way, they like to play that way, but I all,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: they're so banged up and let them come here in
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: the winter and deal with the cold and like so that.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: You know, I thought about the Charges because I have
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of respect for Herbert.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: But they're just not that good. I just don't see
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: it like they kind of can do the it's it's
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: Jimmy's and Joe's not Exits and O's. I think they
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: have the talent that dictates that game plan, but I
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: don't think they're going to run it at that high
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: of a level that it's going to be an issue
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: you know again, the Steelers kind of want to play
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: that way.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: But Aaron Rodgers is I know, we played really well
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: last week. I this is the problem that I was having, Like,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: the teams with the talent on offense don't play the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: way that you need to play to beat the Patriots defense.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: The teams that stylistically play that way don't have the talent.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: The Steelers are maybe in the middle. Look credit to Rogers.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: Last week was the best I've seen him, look since
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: probably Green Bay.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: He was all right.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: I thought he's pretty good in that game, But like,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: can he still do that every week? Or was that
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: just one last game from Rogers?
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: Is just so slow And if I'm facing the Patriots,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: like speed and explosiveness is what I'd want, And it just.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: So I just I And I know they beat the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: Patriots already this year, but they scored twenty one points
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: in a game where the Patriots turned the ball over
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: five times. Right, So yeah, maybe the Ravens, but are
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: they gonna make it? Yeah, this is exactly what seould
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: happened when I was trying to make my list. Yeah,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: the Colts don't have their quarterback, right, the Chargers don't
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: have their tackles right, which I think is huge. And
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: it's also just we know what happens when the Chargers
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: come here in January, and know what that looks like
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: and Herbert has one hand yep, the Steelers are a corpse.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry that was mean, but it's the truth.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: I think they played well last week. I don't think
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: it's sustainable, but I do think they played well last
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: They played better, but I think they played pretty. That
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: was as good as I seen them look all.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Year that the tape for Rogers was fine. It wasn't
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: anything great. He made one really good play to DK Metcalf,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: extended to the play and the hit Metcalf coming across
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: the field. He hit him on a bomb, their first
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: bomb in like two months. And well, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's sustainable, but credit where credits?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Do I think that?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: You know how I feel about Tomlin. I'm just not
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: so Steelers in theory could do it. I just think
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: the Steelers are kind of bad. Frankly, the Coles don't
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: have their quarterback. The Chargers are all sorts of banged
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: up all across their roster. I agree with you that Baltimore.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: I faced snuck in, would be would be frisky in
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: this regard, I still have the Bills Number one. I
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: still have the Bills. I think the Bills for two reasons.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: You know, we talked a lot about slot receivers tight ends.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: They might not have great outside receiver talent, but shak
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: here's their best guy.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: Right, But you don't win against the Patriots with outside
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: receiver talent unless you're the Falcons and Drake London just
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: goes nutty.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: That shak here's your best guy. Yeah, Kincaid and Knox
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: can play. They can do the early down, throw it,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: play action, put the game in Josh Allen's hands just fine,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: and they can play two deep safeties over the top
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: of it of an offense. Let's see what it looks
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: like on Sunday. Yeah, but in theory, I still look
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: at Buffalo as the most complete team other than the
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Patriots right now.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: So there's also that element of having to play a
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: team three times. Yeah, that scares me, Like that's especially
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: if the Patriots win this week. Like, beating a team
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: three times is not easy to do. If we're going
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: to talk about most well rounded, it's probably Buffalo. But
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: if Houston's defense alone, so Houston was number two, might
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: be more worrying to me than the entire package. And
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: then there's Denver, like Denver's on that level if they
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: have to go to Denver. If Denver's coming here, I'm
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: not as worried. So Houston's don't have to do that
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: whole thing. No, Houston's number two on my list. So
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: I had Buffalo and I had Houston. And by the way,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: these are the six and seven seeds. Now this is
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: probably they'd play if they ended up with the two seeds.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: So the reason why I had Houston slightly lower than
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Buffalo's obvious their offense and their quarterback.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: But I do think that Stroud's good.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I think he's as good as
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: Paul Parillo, but I think he's good. But you know,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: I think he's he's good enough. Their offense has had
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of struggles this year. They've had some really
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: ugly stretches. Offensively, Nick Cayley is the first time play
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: collar just kind of trying to figure it out, and
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: it's not always been pretty. But they have Stroud Wood
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: he Mark is giving them a little something in their
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: run game. Nico Collins is a beast, the Schultz is
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: a solid, decent enough kind of hunter, Henry tight end
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: for them, and then of course that defense is just phenomenal.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: So is there a better individual unit in the AFC
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: than the Houston Texans defense. I think I'd take them
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: over with the Broncos at this point.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: They're very good. They're very good, and they play a
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: lot of like man or match coverage in the back
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: end where it's not technically man, it's more like quarters,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: but it becomes man. And they're very, very good.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: They're a better unit than the Texans defense. I don't
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: think there's any.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: The Bills in the Patriots offenses are really good.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't think either one's better in a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: Texans maybe not, maybe not. The Texans defense is great.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: I just don't know if I if I fully am
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: there with the Texans offense where well.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: That's why I say it is they're a better unit, right,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: so they out of it.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: They beat the Bills twenty three to nineteen. Yeah, a
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: really bad game for Buffalo offensively, eight sacks, turnovers, the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: whole thing. If the Patriots find themselves in a twenty
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: three to nineteen game. I kind of like, I'm cool
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: with playing.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: They've won that game all year, like I you know,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: like against lesser teams. But yeah, but they've won that.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: They've won like a pseudo rite fight all year. They
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: can beat that. They can beat the Texans. Yeah, it's
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: not gonna be easy. There's easier opponents there, but they
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: can beat the Texans. So Buffalo one, Houston two, and
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: then regugging ly, the Denver Broncos number three. I mean,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: I think there's a clear gap between those three. I mean, look,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: Baltimore is still kind of lurking. The Chiefs are still
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: kind of lurking. Lamar doesn't look right. The Chiefs don't
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: look right to me. It's Buffalo number one, A, Houston
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: and at Denver would be one B. Yeah, and then
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: you get like i'd probably say Denver here. Then Baltimore
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: would be the next tier, and then it's everybody else, like,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: bring me the Jags, bring me the Chargers, bring me Pittsburgh.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt that Denver's defense could execute the plan
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: that we said, No doubt, no they they whatsoever.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd be great.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: But if we're right, and the way to beat the
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Patriots is to attack their pass defense, especially on person
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: second down.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: That is a lot of bonis all take CJ. Stroud
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: and Nico Collins over Bonick and Courtland sut so, just to.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: Buy the numbers in terms of early down pass efficiency,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Buffalo's third in the league, Houston's twelfth, so good but
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: not great, fine, Denver's twentieth, so like, just looking at it.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: This is why I've kept saying, and this is why
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: I've been consistent on this. What worries me the most.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: And I know this is kind of like, well, duh,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: it's the quarterbacks. It's the quarterbacks. Like all these I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: don't want to face in the playoffs. If I had
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: to say who I am afraid of? I don't want
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: to face the great quarterbacks, Like if you give me
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: a game against Bonnicks, or you give me a game
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: against Trevor Lawrence, or you give me a game against
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Grandpa over there in Indianapolis.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: So let's do let's say, let's let's do the exercise
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: real quick. There's eight teams for five hundred in the
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: AFC right now, Yes, rank the quarterbacks. I'm to do
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: first or worst or worst? First? Are we counting the
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Patriots including the Patriots ranked the quarterbacks.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: People aren't gonna like this.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: You're gonna put Josh Allen first, aren't you?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen?
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: I guess he's been there before. There, you know what
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm so well fraudulently, but I'm so big
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: on postseason experience, mattering. I I have to be consistent.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: There is definitely a very good chance that Drake May.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: I will change my mind if Drake May wins on
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Sunday and wins in the playoffs. Okay, he just hasn't
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: done it yet. No, that's it's it'sknown playing worse than
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. He just has not done it.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: I go to that Argumental Steve, you can break these
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: into tears too if you want, so, Allan Yep May. Yeah.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: Herbert Herbert, same tier. That's tough, all right, we won't
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: do tears. Herbert Herbert. Yeah, he's so compromised. But Lamar,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: we're only doing teams over five hundred for the rat
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: so they're not counting. Yeah, okay, well we'll do But okay,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: put Lamar in there with like an asterisk. Yeah. Lamar
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: and mahomes not a part of this. So Alan May,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: Herbert yeah, I probably go Stroud Stroud, Okay, next I'm
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Then it gets tough because all these other guys kind
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: of me.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're gonna way experience, the next guy
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: Rogers has to be Rogers.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just not been good. He's just he's throwing
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: a lead balloon out there.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: Well, so you're down to Rogers, Knicks and Lawrence and
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Rivers slash Rod.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: I would say, oh man, you.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: Want to put Lawrence ahead of Rod? Like, you're not
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: gonna put Nicks ahead of Rogers. I know you.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: This is tough.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: This is this is not we're not picking from any
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: any grace. While we're doing the exercise, I thought this
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: might be fun.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: I would say this year, out of that group, bo
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Nix has probably been the best, better than Rogers. Yes,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: just to be objective, nothing but objective. I'm fair, all right,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: I would say bo Knicks this season has been better. Well, yeah,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: we're talking about this is an all time ranking. We're
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: talking about this year going into the playoffs, Rogers, Lawrence,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Rogers ahead of Lawrence, and then Colts. So you have
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Alan May, Herbert Stroud, Ye drop off.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: I think we can say there's a drop off there,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: and you have Lamar in that top tier if he
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: makes it most too, Nicks, Rogers, Lawrence, and then the Colts,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: I might move Lawrence up. I think he's trending in
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: the right direction right now.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: They've taken less off of his plate, not to do
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: that whole thing, but they're running the ball a lot
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: better and a lot more, and it's kind of leveled
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: the plane a little bit for him. Whenever he puts
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Whenever you have to put the ball in Trevor Lawrence's
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: hands at a high volume, he becomes a turnover mission.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's just a ton like. I think him
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: and Knicks in some ways are similar in that regard.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: I think there's I relistically obviously maybe like is starting
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: to figure it out, yeah, and just starting to catch
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: my eye a little bit. But I just have I
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: do have.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Some faith in Peyton in terms of like managing yeping
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Nicks on.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: The Rogers to me's the wild card, do you get
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: it's my last run, I'm gonna throw it back whatever.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: Although he's never been good in the playoffs to begin with,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: he looks he just looks like a classic. He plays
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: the exact same way he always has yeah, but his skills.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: Are like at like sixty five percent. If we get capacity.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: Rogers Rivers in the playoffs the Grandpa Bowl, I I
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: would go crazy, feel pretty confident. I know they lost
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: to them earlier on in the season. I'd feel pretty
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: confident that Patriots would blow out the Steelers if they
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: played the Steelers. I think it'd be comfortable. You don't
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: see how many blowouts in the playoffs I think would
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: be comfortable.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like a forty point blow I'm
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: talking about this was game was never really in doubt.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: I think the Patriots would handle so. Evan's Evan. His
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: current rankings of quarterbacks over five hundred in the AFC,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: so very specific. Lamar and Mahomes are not a part
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: of this or to I guess I should say, because
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: they're technically in the mind. I got to be honest
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: with Roh and this is gonna be hot.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: Takey. I don't know where I would put Mahomes right
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: now on this list. I don't like, he's definitely not
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: over mayor Allen, Like would you put him over Herbert?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe maybe just because Herbert's got like one hand,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: do you put him over Stroud.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, third or fourth, But.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Like that's for a guy that's won three Super Bowl
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: You're right, But like I I'm not. I don't totally
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: blame Mahomes for what's happening in Kansas City because the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: ross around him is eroded. It's very uh oh nine
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: to nineteen Brady, right, like whichever one of those you
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: want to pick. Yeah, it's obviously in the point of
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: his career. It's more like O nine. But it reminds
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: me more of the end of the run for the Patriots,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: where you know, Kelsey and Gronk are starting to you know,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: both kind of run out of steam. You know, you
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: have to transition away from like the Cooks era, right
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: or like eras one year the Cooks you know, I
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: was thinking Tyreek Kill era, you know, Tyreek Kill era,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: where like the Patriots had like Brandon Cooks for a year,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: they had some you know, outside receiver talent here and there.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: Uh you know, Moss obviously going back a little bit further,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that Mahomes is like absolved of
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: what's going on. He doesn't really like he's just hasn't
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: been as good. Like I don't have to get too
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: technical about it. He just hasn't been as good.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: So you know what, maybe we uh maybe we make
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: this a weekly thing between now in the playoffs and
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: years see what happens. Well, just ranking the the QB playoffs. Yeah,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: and uh more to you know, the the Dolphins, Chiefs
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: and Ravens could all be five hundred next week. So well,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: I'd be interested to see what the quarterbacks become relevant
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: if people want to, you know, at tweet at us.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: But Evan's rankings again, Evans quarterback rankings among teams that
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: are over five or five hundred or over in the AFC.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen, Drake, May, Justin, Herbert C. J. Stroud, Bo Nicks,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, Trevor Lawrence, and the Colts are last whatever
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: that thing is, Riley Leonard, Philip Rivers.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: The You know, I did want to touch a little
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: bit on some of these other games, but I know
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: people have been waiting on hold as well.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: The Chargers.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: I watched a lot of that Chargers the game, basically
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: watch the whole game, the Chargers Eagles game, yep, I
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: just every time, and I know I know they're decimated,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: I know they're they're missing Joel and Rashaan Slater, which is,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: you know huge, Herbert's got one hand and you know
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: has a broken hand, and then he's like all his
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: throwing arms like all blood eat or in the game
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: like he's just fallen apart because he's under pressure on
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: like sixty five percent of his dropbacks because they have
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: no offensive line. So I don't know if that is
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: going to withstand the test of time because of how
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: much he's getting just beaten and battered behind that offensive line.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Like do they have four more regular season games and
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: a postseason running them if you're the Chargers.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: But what I'm getting at just big picture, they still
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: play Houston. What I'm getting at big picture with the Chargers,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: I think Jim Harbaugh has.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: Done exactly what you would expect and experienced coach to do,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: which is like they are a relevant, competent football team.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: But has Jim Harbaugh made them like a wagon? Like No,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: they're not like a real Super Bowl contend No. And
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that and again I
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: maybe it was this might be more on your side
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: the street. Maybe it was. It was that type of
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: game to kick all the field goals right, like there
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: was a defensive struggle. He took the points, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: But I'm just talking in general. I just don't think
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: that they're a very aggressive football team. And I just
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: don't think that you win in the playoffs, especially when
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: you're undermanned if you aren't. And I'm not just talking
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: about fork down, I'm talking just in general, right like,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: just if you don't or if you're not kind of
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: a pedal to the metal team. He's a very conservative like, let's,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: you know, just try to back our way into victories.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's just where they're at with the Chargers,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: like in terms of their roster and all that, you know,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: their injuries and all that kind of stuff. But you know,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: that's what I see. You know, I just don't see
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: a great team right now. What do you think of
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars, You're like, are you a believer in the
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: jack I'm.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: Kind of with you, Like they're they're a solid football team.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know that there are anything more than that.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: They're not bad, but I don't look at them as
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: like you said, they're not a juggernaut. They're not a
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: team that's going to come in and blow doors. Like
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: they're fine They've had some very good turnover.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Look like they're turned like they have these games like
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: this game against the Colts without Daniel Jones, they turn
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: it all over three times, you know, Indianapolis did, and
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: that really is what extended the lead. They've run the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: ball a little bit, yeah, and that that's definitely helping
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: them balance out their offense. It's a it's an impressive turnaround.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: You know, Liam Coenes had a really good first season.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: If they if Ben Johnson and Mike Rable didn't have
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: his two teams, their two teams winning the division, you know,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: like it would be I don't think the Bears are
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: winning their divisi anymore now that they lost the Packers.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know where that's at, but they you know,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Liam Cole would be getting more shine if those two
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: guys weren't where they were at. A couple of other
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: things on this slate, Hey, good for the Denver broncos Man.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: You finally actually blew out a bad team.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: Good for you. I mean you still only won by
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: one score. Yeah, it was the one score game, but
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: it was a backdoor. Those one score game was a
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: back door cover.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: One of the smelliest as Joe Murray likes to say,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: back door covers I've ever seen, but it was you
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: dominated that game against the Raiders, So good for you.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: Good, good for you, Denver.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: You finally dominated a bad team. Where are you at
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: with the Chiefs?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: The Chiefs are dead, I mean this year they are
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: you know, they they sell mahomes and he's not retiring
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: after this year, I don't think. But they're They need
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: a full reset. They need a full reset around them.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: And you know, this is why we said when everybody
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: want to compare him to Brady, like, all right, you
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: had a nice little, what five seven year run, which
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: is impressive in the NFL. You're not really supposed to
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: dominate for more than three or four at a time.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: They did more than that.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: It's not twenty they had a dynasty. It was just
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: they only had one half of the dynasty.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: Well, they had one dynasty, not two.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: Right, the Patriots have had two dynasties connected as one.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: Brady never missed playoffs on his prime and he never
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: finished I think his last year in Tampa they were
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: eight and nine. So one year at the very end
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: in his forties he finished under five hundred. The other
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: thing that's going to happen that. I'm surprised more people
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: aren't having this conversation. Maybe people more intimate with the
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: Chiefs understand why like that, it's not time to have
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: this conversation. If you want to compare the two and say, Okay,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs are gonna well, you can't punish the Chiefs
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: too much because the Patriots had a couple down years
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: in the middle or down years never looked like this,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: but relatively down years in the middle where they reset.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: The one thing the Patriots never had to do was
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: reset the coach. And how much longer is Andy Reid
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: going to do this?
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: I keep bringing this up, and I think I said
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: he was close to seventy. He's sixty seven. I said
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: that yesterday. Now I would still call sixties seven turning
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: sixty eight.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: Close to seventy's old.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: But he's sixty seven, close to sixty eight, and he's it.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: Just when you watch the Chiefs, I know a lot
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: of it's situationally, like they used to be so good
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: at those big moments and they're not making those plays
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: this year. But schematically offensively, they've gotten a little bit stale.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: And some of that, to me, is that not only
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: is it Andy Reid this whole time, but they also
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: just brought Matt and aggy back a couple of years
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: ago and hit him the offensive coordinator. So I think
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: that that offense needs some livening up. And when he
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: came from Philly to Kansas City, he hired Brad Childress.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Remember Brad Childress. He hired Brad Childrens as like, I
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: want to say that Brad Childress was like an air
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: raid coordinator for Kansas City. Like basically what bad Brad
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Childress did is he took Andy Reid's West Coast offense
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: and he merged it with the air raid.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: His title was spread Game Analysts.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Spread Game Analyst, I do it was something like that.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: That was actually before Mahomes even got there.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the Alex Smith into Mahomes. So they
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: took the old school, traditional West Coast offense that Andy
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Reid has always run and they merged it with like
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: the new concepts in college, you know, spread RBO air
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: raid concepts that are in college. And that led to
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: some really good years with Alex Smith and then it
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: led to some great years with Patrick Mahomes. So what's
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: if Andy Reid is going to keep doing this? Does
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: he one have like the give a shit meter to
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: actually go out and do this? But two, what is
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: like the next iteration for Kansas?
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  Speaker 3: Also, just like whether it's this year or not, this
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  Speaker 3: is another one of He's people are gonna stay doing
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: the drama again. But I mean this from a pure
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: football standpoint. I'm not trying to play succession here. Who, Like,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: do you who do they hire to replace him? Is
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: it Steve Spagnolo?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 3: Are they going to get an offensive mine? But like,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: you've had this success, do you want to bring in
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: somebody who's been there and knows how it works? Can
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: you hire from the outside? Usually a quarterback like Patrick Malmes?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: I guess Peyton Manny went through a couple of head coaches,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: but like, yeah, those jobs aren't usually open. When you
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: have a quarterback like that, it.
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  Speaker 2: Would be the number one job in the league.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: That will but you look at the rate it probably
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: won't be. But you look at the rest of the roster,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be work to do, so I don't think
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: there's as much work to do Defensively, I think they
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: still some of those guys getting old.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Well, Chris Jones getting old, But I still think that
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: you have players in the secondary. Try McDuffie is still
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: in his prime. Like, I still think you can build
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: with that defense. Offensively, I agree, their offensive line has
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: been in shambles for the last couple of years, going
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: back to you know, some of the Super Bowls and
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think who replaces Andy Reid in Kansas
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  Speaker 3: City's a fascinating and again this.
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  Speaker 2: Year it's a double edged thing, right, It's like, does
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Andy Reid have the gas in the tank to essentially rebuild?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: I wasn't even considering in that regard, but yeah.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: You know, does he have the does he have the
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: gas in the tank to essentially do a mini rebuild
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: like an O nine Patriots rebuild? Or do they have
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: a succession plan or do they have another head coach
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: in mind? Reads not up for that that they can
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: turn this thing.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm curious, Like, is there a succession plan
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: in place? Are they going to do like a full
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: coaching search they you know, is there going to be
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: a push for Mahomes to hire internally? Maybe Mahomes want
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: Matt and Aggy, Maybe they want but like we've seen
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: what Matt Naggie is his head coach now didn't Patrick Mahomes,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: but we've seen what Matt Naggie is as a head coach,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: and like it's going to be interesting.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: So the last team I wanted to talk a little
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: bit about because they play them next week is the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens, and we'll we'll talk a lot more about
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: the Ravens next week. But this is the one thing
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: that I kind of wrote down here, like, are we
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: sure that at this at his current state with his health, Like,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: is this version of the Lamar like really that? Like
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: I think Lamar right now has been very, very pedestrian.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt that
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: when the lights get bright, and maybe he's too late
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: now they're six and seven, but he's maybe earned a
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt that when the lights get bright
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: he can flip the switch and be that guy. Sure,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: but yeah, the way he's played since he came back,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: like it looks like he's still hurt. He doesn't look right.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the biggest thing with him in terms
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: of how he looks, he just doesn't pull away from
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: the pursuit of the defender anymore, like because he doesn't
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: have is he's compromised.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: Is an ankle injury, right y ain gole knee like
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: he's just he's so it's again, his sack rate is
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: like doubled. Like when you watch him, I try to
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: extend plays, he's just not getting He's not pulling away from.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: The defense anymore. You know, the last play of the
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: game last week, essentially like alex Heighsmith just sacks him
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: in the pocket when it's one of it's like a
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: hail Mary kind of like situation. But they actually were
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: at i think the Pittsburgh like thirty or thirty five,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: so what it was they a hell Mary, But it
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't like one of those like on the other side
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: of the fifty that really they were going to be
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: able to get the ball in the end zone.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: And he just takes a sack like you would never see that.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: He would spin out of it, scramble out of it,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: extend the play and at least get a pass off.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: And now you're just not seeing him do that anymore.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: So I'm really interested to see what kind of Ravens
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: team the Patriots get next week, because they just flex
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: this Ravens team into primetime. It might say more about
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: the Patriots and the Ravens. But the Ravens are still
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: mathematically alive, but there's a very good chance of that
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Ravens team is six and eight and is like not
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: really mathematically alive like.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: It is, but like is hanging on by a thread.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: And because they play the Bengals this coming up week
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: and they just lost to the Bengals on Thanksgiving. So
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't know where the Ravens are at
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: right now. I also don't know what the Steeler but
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: to make of the Steelers either, I.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: Again, I was impressed by what they did against the Ravens,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: But the question is is that them turning a corner?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: Was it just like one random great punch. I think
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: it might have been that.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, you guys got to be quick, but we'll
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: take these calls. Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?
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  Speaker 9: I got to play a bit of a nostra domesare.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 9: I see the Patriots winning out the rest of the season,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 9: having the best record in the NFL and the number
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 9: one seed, and they're going to beat Jacksonville and then Houston,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 9: which will be the toughest game for them with that
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 9: great defense, but they'll they'll prevail. Also, if when the
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 9: Bills drop eight into coverage on Sunday, Henderson's going to
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 9: take a screen in for a touchdown. Now I have
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 9: an idea also about I don't let me know what
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 9: you think about this, to try and fix the goal
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 9: line offense. Now, you bring in the jumbo package on
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 9: first down, try and ram up the middle. If that
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 9: doesn't work, you keep the same personnel and then you
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 9: do a play action pass role option. Right, may will
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 9: run it in if you can. Otherwise it's going to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 9: pass to Henry for a touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 9: All right, I'll let you go on out.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, Sean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they run like one or I think it's one
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: pass play with Kiris Tonga on the field. Yeah, you
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: know that's obviously there as an option. You know, he
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: hasn't been healthy, so they I think they probably would
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: have done it earlier.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know if they do.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: It against the Giants and why there's no reason to
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: use that against the Giants. But I'm not necessarily talking
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: about throwing it to Tonga. I'm just saying like that's
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: out on the table right.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing, and what was the other thing that
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: he said?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: I don't remember. I had a point, but I forgot
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Derek is in South Carolina.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: What's up, Derek?
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  Speaker 6: Hey all, real quick, So I actually remember that Patriots
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: standing against the Titans and two thousand nine because I
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: had Brady and Moss on my fantasy team.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Oh there you go.
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  Speaker 6: That would be And you all talk still about Jill
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: Brady and like the Bill is very predictable, like a
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: sixth place set when he came from LSU to Carolina
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 6: with Matt Rule. That was a knock on him at
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: the Panthers that the offense was so predictable in certain situations.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: So the question I have for y all is, real quick,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: if you're the Bill offensive defensive coordinator on this, are
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: you going to use like the Patriots missing Williams and
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: maybe missing Tanga as an option for perfect play action?
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: You run the run of play action, dive linebackers come
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: up and all of a sudden, you dropped it right
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: over them, and I appreciate it. Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's exactly what the Bills are going
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: to try to do. That is what the Bills do.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: That's their moo first play of the game last week
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: against the Bengals, play action crosser adult knocks for a
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: huge play So that's going to be what they try
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: to do. If I was the Patriots, like I was
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: saying earlier, though, uh, they're you got a key on
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: the fact that they don't marry. In my opinion, they
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: don't marry their their runs with their play actions particularly well.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: So we used to talk about this all the time
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: with like the Patricia Van Pelt offenses, where it was
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: like they're running gap play action patterns routes, but they
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: were running it with zone blocking or vice versa. I
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: feel like the Bills are kind of similar, yeah, and
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: that they run a lot of gap play action, but
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: they run the ball with a lot of zone So
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: it's like this.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Is what remembered like some people were afraid of the
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: Patriots doing this at the beginning of the year.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So if you can, if you can kind
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: of understand that, I think that you have a chance
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: to stop it and be pretty good. But yeah, it's
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: an interesting point about Joe Brady. I know that he's
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: come under some fire in Buffalo. Not everybody is a
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: big Joe Brady fan right now in Buffalo.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: So but then there's also people who want him to
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: be the next head coach if they fire MC.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right, all right, we'll be back next week.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about this Rave, the Ravens game, we will,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: and the Bills game hopefully with some hats and some
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: T shirts and division title in hands.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: So we'll see about Sunday.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: But we'll talk about this Bills game, the Ravens and
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: all of it again next week, same time, same place
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: here on Catch twenty two and then Patriots Unfiltered is
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: up in nine minutes, so you'll see those guys and
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: myself for a little bit at noon, and Alex will
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: be back. I'll Catch twenty two next week. Thanks guys,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for watching. We'll see you guys
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: next week and hopefully the Patriots win the division on Sunday.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: Bye. Hey, this is Alex.
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