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BITTER EX-WIFE of Microsoft Hubby Swears I'M NOT GUILTY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: A young dad executed, ambushed and executed, motive hatred, pure seething,
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Speaker 2: jealousy that he had moved on with his life with
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Speaker 2: a new wife and new children, and his ex wife seething.
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Speaker 3: But I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: Her parents are multi millionaires, she lives off them, She.
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Speaker 3: Has a new husband herself.
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Speaker 2: Why all the anger, the bitterness, the resentment. Why, according
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Speaker 2: to the state, did she order the assassination of her
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Speaker 2: ex husband, leaving four children without a dad?
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Speaker 3: Well guess what.
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Speaker 2: In the latest the state is seeking the death penalty
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Speaker 2: on her. And when I say her, I'm referring to
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Speaker 2: the ex wife, thirty six year old Shanna Gardner, who
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Speaker 2: right now is gnashing her teeth and switching her tail
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Speaker 2: behind bars.
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Speaker 3: Because she is the devil.
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Speaker 2: If these allegations are true, I'm it'sy grace.
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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here on Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: and on Serious XM one eleven.
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Speaker 3: A lot happening in the case. First of all, listen
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Speaker 3: to this, Jared.
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Speaker 4: We shouldn't be here today. You should be making us
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Speaker 4: laugh and spending time with your family. Your siblings miss
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Speaker 4: you every day. There is a pain in our hearts
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Speaker 4: that will never go away. Your parents miss you, your
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Speaker 4: wife misses you, your children miss you.
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Speaker 5: This investigation has uncovered the truth of Jared's murder. Henry
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Speaker 5: Tennant did not act alone, Mario Fernandez did not plan alone,
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Speaker 5: and Shanna Gardner's indictment acknowledges her central and key role
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Speaker 5: in the cold, calculated and premeditated murder of Jared Bright Again.
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Speaker 6: Henry Tennan has admitted to being the person that shot
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Speaker 6: and killed Jared Bride Again, but investigators knew all along
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Speaker 6: that he didn't act alone. Once the death penalty was
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Speaker 6: on the table, sixty one year old Henry Tennon plead
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Speaker 6: be guilty to second degree murder and agreed to testify
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Speaker 6: against those who participated in the crime, Mario Fernandez and
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Speaker 6: his wife, Shanna Gardner Fernandez.
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Speaker 2: Shanna Gardner the ex of the murder victim who was
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Speaker 2: ambush at night on a one way road. She arranged
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Speaker 2: the placing of a giant tire in the middle of
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Speaker 2: that very narrow road so Jared would have to get
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Speaker 2: out and move it to get around.
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Speaker 3: She knew he would be on that road because he
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Speaker 3: had just.
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Speaker 2: Dropped off their children after a visit it was when
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Speaker 2: he got out of the car with his little two
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Speaker 2: year old girl strapped in a safety seat in the
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Speaker 2: back seat to move that tire. He was gunned down
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Speaker 2: and left dead in the road, with the little girl
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Speaker 2: in the car calling out for daddy. We are bringing
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Speaker 2: you the very latest in the case that has been
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Speaker 2: tunneled the Microsoft exec murder. That's referring to the victim
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Speaker 2: in this case, Jared Bright again thirty three years old,
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Speaker 2: shot dead, leaving behind his wife Kristen, their daughters Brexley
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Speaker 2: in London, and boy girl twins, with the first wife
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Speaker 2: now on facing trial for murder. Those twins Abby and
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Speaker 2: Liam joining me and all start panel to make sense
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Speaker 2: of what we know right now.
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Speaker 3: But first I want to go.
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Speaker 2: To a renowned family lawyer as they call it. There
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Speaker 2: couldn't be a bigger euphemism than a family lawyer, because
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Speaker 2: when you're in family court for is gonna fly over
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Speaker 2: divorcing custody. Kathleen Murphy, you can find her at Inseadomestic
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Speaker 2: law dot com. You've seen a lot of cases and
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Speaker 2: many of them actually deal with domestic violence.
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Speaker 7: Yes I have, Nancy, You've got to really.
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Speaker 3: Hate your ex to put out a hit on him.
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Speaker 8: You know, some people have absolutely no ability to compromise.
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Speaker 8: I just finished a five day trial on Wake County, Raleigh,
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Speaker 8: and it was ridiculously insane at how this mother perceived
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Speaker 8: this wonderful father and the evidence that was clogging the
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Speaker 8: court system unnecessarily, Like, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 3: Just don't tell me that much? What was it about?
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Speaker 8: A woman came into court and said that the husband
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Speaker 8: yelled at her in twenty nineteen, and as a result,
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Speaker 8: she built a case against him as a domestic violence abuser.
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Speaker 8: The evidence that was put forth showed that she was
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Speaker 8: an instigator of domestic violence.
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Speaker 3: Did you say he yelled at her in twenty nineteen?
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Speaker 3: That was the stars.
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Speaker 2: I'd be hauled in the court all the time if
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Speaker 2: David took me to trial every time I yelled. I
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Speaker 2: try to yell, not when the twins are around. In fact,
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Speaker 2: I don't think I ever have.
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Speaker 3: But yelling does happen.
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Speaker 8: It's just indicative.
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Speaker 2: Yelling happens, right, I haven't landed in domestic court. Guys,
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Speaker 2: what happened to Jared Bright again?
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Speaker 3: And what's the latest in the case? Joining me right now?
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Speaker 2: Ray Caputa, an investigative reporter, and a professor at but
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Speaker 2: then took me in university.
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Speaker 3: Ray take a listen to this.
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Speaker 9: So Jared and Shanna had fifty to fifty custody of
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Speaker 9: Liam and Abbey, so every other week they were with
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Speaker 9: the alternating parents. So when they were with their mom,
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Speaker 9: Jared would pick them up every Wednesday that she hasn't
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Speaker 9: take them out on what was referred to a date nights,
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Speaker 9: and then when they were at our home for the week,
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Speaker 9: Shannon would come to our house and pick them up
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Speaker 9: Wednesday nights before date night. You know, every single week.
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Speaker 9: Our youngest daughter, London had started going to bed, you know,
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Speaker 9: we're doing sleep training, and she would go to bed,
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Speaker 9: you know, before seven pm. So I wasn't on date
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Speaker 9: nights with Jared and kids, but Bexley always went with him.
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Speaker 9: She was always there. And so he had called me
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Speaker 9: right after he dropped him an Abbey off at their
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Speaker 9: mom's house and just said we had a good date night.
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Speaker 9: Bexley said that they got ice cream and she was
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Speaker 9: still eating it, and then you know she said a
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Speaker 9: kao love, You'll see soon. And then time kept going
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Speaker 9: and I started to feel on easy. I kept looking
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Speaker 9: at the clock, thinking he should be home by now.
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Speaker 9: He's always home by now. Something's not right.
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Speaker 10: London is too young to know anything. Bexley is older.
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Speaker 3: She was there.
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Speaker 10: She's been part of this since they decided to kill
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Speaker 10: her father and of her. I have to keep it
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Speaker 10: in simple terms because she's only four.
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Speaker 1: She knows that two.
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Speaker 10: Bad guys have been put in jail. In this morning,
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Speaker 10: I was able to.
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Speaker 3: Tell her that.
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Speaker 10: Who she refers to as the mean mom is going
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Speaker 10: to be in jail as well. A life was taken
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Speaker 10: and countless lives are impacted by that. So I believe
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Speaker 10: that the harshest punishment is justified.
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Speaker 2: Here you are hearing Kristen Bride again, the widow of
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Speaker 2: Jared Brighte again.
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Speaker 3: The death penalty is on the table. Take a listen
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Speaker 3: to our cut thirty.
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Speaker 10: The state of Florida is here.
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Speaker 11: Why you've noticed to the defendant of the State of Florida,
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Speaker 11: Florida intends to see the death penalty for the first
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Speaker 11: three murder charged in the unitement. First, the defendant was
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Speaker 11: previously convicted of another capital felony or xlony involving the
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Speaker 11: use of red violence to a person sub sex.
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Speaker 12: You be subsection as the.
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Speaker 11: Cabal selling committed for pecuniary gain Subsection I cabital shellings
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Speaker 11: a homicide, and he's committed in a cold, calculated and
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Speaker 11: premeditated manner without any pretense of.
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Speaker 3: Moral or legal justification.
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Speaker 2: To Ray Caputo, us get a reporter and professor Ray,
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Speaker 2: have you seen Shanna Gardner's mugshot? She is smirking. I
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Speaker 2: can't wait for the jury to say this smirking. She's
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Speaker 2: charged with murder and she's smirking.
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Speaker 3: What's that?
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Speaker 13: I'm not sure, Nancy. It's it's a pretty serious series
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Speaker 13: of crimes that that she's been charged with. And there's nothing,
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Speaker 13: you know.
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Speaker 12: Funny about this.
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Speaker 13: I don't know if she's smirking because she believes she
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Speaker 13: didn't do it. But her her ex husband, the father
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Speaker 13: of her two twin children, is still dead.
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Speaker 12: So there's absolutely this.
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Speaker 13: No, this is no joking matters. And Shanna is in
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Speaker 13: a lot, a lot of trouble right now. Again, you
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Speaker 13: said she could face the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: You know, doctor Angela Arnold, I am always amazed at
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Speaker 2: what certain defendants will do. For instance, I tried one
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Speaker 2: guy for murder, a shooting, a shooting murder, and he
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Speaker 2: came into court in front of the jury and guess
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Speaker 2: what was carved into the back of his hair?
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Speaker 3: What hit man number one?
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Speaker 12: Oh, my goodness.
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Speaker 2: And so every chance I got, I would walk past
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Speaker 2: the defense council table and beyond it, so the defendant
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Speaker 2: would turn and look that way, and I'd stay there
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Speaker 2: as long as I could, so the defendantuld be looking
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Speaker 2: that way, so the jury could see the back of
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Speaker 2: his head where he had hit man number one shaved
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Speaker 2: into his hair, and he was on trial for murder.
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Speaker 2: Just an example would be doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist joining.
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Speaker 3: Us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com
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Speaker 2: doctor ANGI why the smirk in the mugshot?
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, let's not forget. This woman has been ascribed
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Speaker 7: as a person who has grown up not only in
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Speaker 7: a very wealthy home, but those wealthy pearents are still
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Speaker 7: taking care of her. So it's in my estimation, she
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Speaker 7: has never suffered any consequences for anything she's ever done
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Speaker 7: in her life. They've probably always bailed her out, so
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Speaker 7: she cannot even comprehend the consequences of her actions because
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Speaker 7: in all likelihoods, she's never suffered a consequence. So she
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Speaker 7: just internally feels like, at her core, somebody's going to
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Speaker 7: get her out of this, and that's why the spark.
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Speaker 2: So you believe because her parents were truly loaded, I
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Speaker 2: mean rolling in money and they still are, that she
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Speaker 2: never faced consequences.
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Speaker 3: You may be right.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut eight from crime online
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Speaker 2: dot Com.
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Speaker 6: The former personal trainer said Shanna Gardner Fernandez, whose family
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Speaker 6: owns the multimillion dollar paper craft company called Stamping Up,
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Speaker 6: told him that she and Bride Again were separated for
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Speaker 6: months when their sessions allegedly took an unprofessional turn. The instructor,
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Speaker 6: who asked that his name be withheld to protect his privacy, said, quote,
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Speaker 6: they weren't really speaking. They were living in opposite ends
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Speaker 6: of the house. She said she had grown up Mormon
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Speaker 6: and didn't want that anymore. Bride Again, on the other hand,
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Speaker 6: remained a devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ
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Speaker 6: of Latter day Saints.
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Speaker 2: So you hear the heiress to a multimillion dollar fortune
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Speaker 2: claiming that she didn't start a sex relationship until after
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Speaker 2: she and her husband were divorced. And there the lover
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Speaker 2: is saying, well, they were actually still living together when
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Speaker 2: we cranked it up. So what if any significance does
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Speaker 2: that have? Is she lying to everybody else and herself?
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Speaker 2: To Kathleen Murphy? You deal with this all the time
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Speaker 2: as a domestic lawyer. What is she painting a picture
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Speaker 2: she wants us to see? Who cares if she slept
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Speaker 2: around on her husband?
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Speaker 3: I don't care. I care about who killed her husband.
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Speaker 8: At you two, Candancy, And when you go into domestic court,
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Speaker 8: the standards are so different from the criminal standards, and
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Speaker 8: you see so much of that criminal behavior and the
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Speaker 8: criminal tendencies, and you worry for your client safety every time.
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Speaker 2: Just thinking through everything that's happened, and how many lies
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Speaker 2: this woman has told. We are talking about this so
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Speaker 2: called Microsoft exec murder trial.
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Speaker 3: That exec is a father of for a young father.
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Speaker 2: For he's thirty three, four children, and the night of
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Speaker 2: the murder of Chris mcdunna joining me, Director Cole Case Foundation,
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Speaker 2: former homicide detective.
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Speaker 3: That's what's important here.
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Speaker 2: You can find him on YouTube on the interview Room channel. Chris.
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Speaker 2: She's just given me so much motive. Of course, the
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Speaker 2: state doesn't have to prove motive, but look at the
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Speaker 2: hard facts of the case Chris McDonough. He just leaves
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Speaker 2: her house. He hasn't been out of her house dropping
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Speaker 2: off the twins for five minutes when suddenly there's an
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Speaker 2: obstruction in the road. Whoopsie on his usual route home.
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Speaker 2: He's got his baby girl in the backseat strapped in.
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Speaker 2: He has to move that tire, and in that moment
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Speaker 2: he gets ambushed and shot dead. If that ain't a
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Speaker 2: death build the case, I don't know what is.
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Speaker 12: It's definitely and you know the old saying, if I
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Speaker 12: can't have you, no one can. I would expect to
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Speaker 12: see Nancy as this continues to unfold, We're going to
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Speaker 12: see quite an impressive digital footprint. I think that's going
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Speaker 12: to walk us right into this murder plot. It's going
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Speaker 12: to be really interesting.
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Speaker 3: What do you mean by that place?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think you know that. To your point, this
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Speaker 12: tire in the road, this is a this is a
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Speaker 12: very methodical, thought out situation, but not in relationship to
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Speaker 12: the brightest minds in the room. Uh. To the doctor's
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Speaker 12: point earlier about this suspect here, I don't see her
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Speaker 12: as being the sharpest tool in the shed. And so
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Speaker 12: she incorporated the boyfriend to put these things in the motion.
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Speaker 12: So I would suspect they're going to use social media phones,
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Speaker 12: those types of devices that are going to draws into
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Speaker 12: the plot in the plan.
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Speaker 1: Here time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: From what I can understand, from what I'm hearing, Raikipudo,
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Speaker 2: the trigger man who actually pulled the trigger, the assassin
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Speaker 2: has rolled over on both the ex wife Shandon Gardner
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Speaker 2: and her Nie boy toy excuse me, husband, go ahead, Yeah.
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Speaker 13: Henry Tennant, it didn't take him long, but he in
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Speaker 13: March he pleaded guilty to second degree murder charges. And
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Speaker 13: he's he's talking. He's got a lawyer and he has
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Speaker 13: been charged and pleaded guilty to his second degree murder.
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Speaker 13: So and Henry Tennant again was associated with Shanna Gardner's
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Speaker 13: boyfriend because he was one of I believe his tenants.
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Speaker 13: So they had a relationship and you know, tie all
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Speaker 13: these folks together.
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Speaker 3: It's not too hard, guys.
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Speaker 2: In the last days entering the case, defense attorney I
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Speaker 2: name you know well, Jose bayaz Biaz represented Todd Mom
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Speaker 2: Casey Anthony, who absolutely did murder her little girl Kelly,
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Speaker 2: and believe it or not, she was acquitted. He also
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Speaker 2: represented Aaron Hernandez Jose Biaz Ann Corp.
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Speaker 3: Take a listener, Cut twenty nine. All right, ear.
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Speaker 4: In Shannon Gardner's.
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Speaker 14: Case, we as relieve are not guilty in the mascots time.
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Speaker 7: All right, and you are the normal reading of the unitment.
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Speaker 2: No, you're with that?
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Speaker 6: Okay?
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Speaker 14: Here in a speech travels on Abril.
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Speaker 15: Thirteenth, twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 11: This morning, the state has filed and provide to counsel
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Speaker 11: as intent to see the Duck.
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Speaker 2: County are here Jose Bias speaking for his client in court,
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Speaker 2: Shannon Gardner. Now you can look at it two different ways.
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Speaker 2: You can say, Wow, those two clients were acquitted, or
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Speaker 2: you could say, oh, here comes Jose Bias. He represents
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Speaker 2: all the guilty killers. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 2: thirty three. Who is Jose Bias?
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Speaker 6: In twenty eleven, Jose Bias was an unknown lawyer when
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Speaker 6: Todd Mom Casey Anthony hired him to be her defense attorney.
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Speaker 6: The court case was followed by millions of Americans nationwide
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Speaker 6: who were positive Casey Anthony would be judged guilty by
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Speaker 6: a jury of her peers. Jose Biaz successful defensive Casey
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Speaker 6: Anthony in a trial that lasted six weeks made him famous.
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Speaker 6: Former NFL star Aaron Hernandez had already been convicted of
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Speaker 6: one murder and was charged with two more when he
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Speaker 6: reached out to Jose Biaz. After six days of deliberations,
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Speaker 6: a jury found Hernandez not guilty of first degree murder,
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Speaker 6: and talk of appealing his previous conviction, this time with
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Speaker 6: Biaz as the council, was a hot topic on sports radio.
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Speaker 2: To Chris McDonald, what does this mean that Biaz has
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Speaker 2: entered the trial kind of reminds me of when Mark
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Speaker 2: Garrigos with inner trial. I remember he represented Winona Ryder
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Speaker 2: and became famous when she was charged of shoplifting.
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Speaker 3: Lost that case.
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Speaker 2: She was convicted that should have been a guilty plea
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Speaker 2: to straight probation or first defender where she says, look,
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Speaker 2: I screwed up. I did a stupid thing. To all
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Speaker 2: of you teens out there, don't do this. You'll get
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Speaker 2: caught and you'll worry about it forever, even if you
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Speaker 2: don't get caught. Rehab her image and bam, but no,
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Speaker 2: they went to a trial. She was mocked and ridiculed
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Speaker 2: because of her performance during the trial. That should never
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Speaker 2: have happened. Anyway, it did go to trial. Then there
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Speaker 2: was the Scott Peterson case that was also a guilty
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Speaker 2: But Gira Goos has the aura of being a waning
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Speaker 2: defense lawyer, and he is a good lawyer. Well, he
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Speaker 2: can't help, but if his clients are guilty. But when
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Speaker 2: you see Geiragos walk into the courthouse, you go, uh huh,
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Speaker 2: that guy did it? Is Jose Baiez running the same risk.
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Speaker 3: Christma Dunna.
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Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, you've worked among the brightest of these
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Speaker 12: guys around the world, including yourself in the courtroom. And
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Speaker 12: I mean you've seen these guys, the charisma that they
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Speaker 12: carry when they walk into the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, Giragos has charisma. I don't give
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Speaker 2: the guy that much.
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Speaker 3: And he is a good lawyer. He knows the law charisma.
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Speaker 2: And you know who else was like that, Johnny Cochrane.
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Speaker 2: I disagree with everything he ever said, but I learned
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Speaker 2: a lot from him. Judges loved him, jurrars loved him,
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Speaker 2: witnesses love him.
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Speaker 3: He just was that guy then.
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Speaker 2: Walks in a room and everybody wants to go say
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Speaker 2: hi and talk to him. He just had the it factor. Cochrane,
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Speaker 2: he really did, and that goes a long way with
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Speaker 2: a jury. If the jury likes you, then they're more
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Speaker 2: prone to listen to.
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Speaker 3: What you have to say.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if they liked me or hated me,
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Speaker 2: but I believe the juries I struck thought I believed
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Speaker 2: in the guilt of the defendant, and I think that
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Speaker 2: goes a long way when they believe. The jurors believe
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Speaker 2: that you're devoted to the cause. It's not just a
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Speaker 2: job to you, but charisma.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So what does this mean for Shanna Gardner on trial
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Speaker 2: soon for them murder of her husband?
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Speaker 3: Oh, the father of four children. You know as much.
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Speaker 3: And we've talked about this off cam Chris McDonough.
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Speaker 2: As much as I get irritated with David doing this
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Speaker 2: or that, especially when he mispronounced his words, that just
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Speaker 2: pushes me over the edge.
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Speaker 3: What did he say the other day? I think I
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Speaker 3: wrote it down. I'll look it up. But I love
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Speaker 3: him and more than that, and he knows this is
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Speaker 3: no secret.
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Speaker 2: I love the twins And what would it do to
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Speaker 2: them not to have their father? Oh, it's just it
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Speaker 2: would be awful not to have your father or a
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Speaker 2: father figure in your life.
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Speaker 3: It changes everything.
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Speaker 12: It certainly does. And when you take that power of
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Speaker 12: that charisma, you take his understanding of the law, and
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Speaker 12: then you add the influences of social media and today's
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Speaker 12: media platforms. You know, he's got he's got a really
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Speaker 12: powerful tool set in front of him, and he's got
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Speaker 12: I think we're going to see him try this case
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Speaker 12: like he has the other ones, uh, pretty successfully in
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Speaker 12: the media, and I think we'll start seeing you know
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Speaker 12: that the husband is irrelevant here. In fact, he could
21:18
Speaker 12: potentially be the bad guy.
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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in heaven, you know what wash your
21:21
Speaker 2: mouth out was, Soper?
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Speaker 3: Come do it for you? Have you lost your mind?
21:26
Speaker 2: The murder Vidom becomes the bag. Oh hey, I remember
21:29
Speaker 2: what the word was. He said, It's just anecdotal, I said,
21:34
Speaker 2: is what he said? Anidotal? I said, are you trying
21:38
Speaker 2: to say anikdotal?
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Speaker 3: Anecdotal?
21:43
Speaker 2: And so we thought about that for thirty minutes before
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Speaker 2: I finally taped him and sent it to the twins.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so of course they don't care that said.
21:54
Speaker 2: I don't want him dead yet anyway, I'm just.
21:58
Speaker 3: Trying to figure out.
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Speaker 2: Also, so somehow Chris McDonough has found a way to
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Speaker 2: suggest that the murder victim is going to be the
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Speaker 2: bad guy in this scenario. Doctor Todd M. Barr joining
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Speaker 2: US out of Ohio, board certified an atomic clinical forensic pathologist.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Barr, Let's just get a little reality chick here.
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Speaker 2: What happened to Jared Bright?
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Speaker 3: Again? Shot multiple times? Died in the dark, lying in
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Speaker 3: the road with his little baby girl.
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Speaker 2: Probably the last sound he heard screaming for dad he
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Speaker 2: strapped into the car.
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Speaker 3: What did he suffer?
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Speaker 14: Doctor, It's just unimaginable. I cannot even imagine, you know
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Speaker 14: what that what his child went through, first of all,
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Speaker 14: and what he went through.
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Speaker 16: I don't know how many times he was shot, but
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Speaker 16: I do believe it was multiple times. Correct, Yes, So
23:01
Speaker 16: this poor man laid there in a heap on the pavement, exanguitating,
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Speaker 16: bleeding out. I don't know where his wounds were, but
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Speaker 16: let's hope maybe one of them went through his brainstem
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Speaker 16: so that he could just go peacefully quickly.
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Speaker 3: Okay, stop, doctor Barr.
23:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I understand what you just said, and I agree,
23:29
Speaker 2: but you do know how callous it sounds to people
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Speaker 2: not in our business when you say something like, gee,
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Speaker 2: I hope he got shot in the brainstem. Let's just
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Speaker 2: let that sink in for a moment now, doctor Barr.
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Speaker 16: I just think that he didn't suffer exactly.
23:48
Speaker 2: And you know what, you know what, Doctor Barr, I
23:50
Speaker 2: get it, and I agree with you. Can I tell
23:52
Speaker 2: you how many times, in fact, I don't like to
23:55
Speaker 2: think about it. I wish I hadn't even brought it
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Speaker 2: up because now I'm making myself think about it.
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Speaker 3: How many times I've wondered if my fiancee, Keith.
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Speaker 2: Felt everything that happened to him. He was shot five
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Speaker 2: times in the face and the neck, in the back,
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Speaker 2: and and I in my mind, I go, oh, okay,
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Speaker 2: he didn't feel. He didn't feel that he was just
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Speaker 2: like that he was gone. But that's not true because
24:19
Speaker 2: I know he was still physically alive. His body was
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Speaker 2: alive when he got to the hospital. And he was
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Speaker 2: killed in a remote area, so it matters. It does matter.
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Speaker 16: So he was feeling, he could feel all the way
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Speaker 16: to the hospital.
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Speaker 3: Yes, jump in place.
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Speaker 12: You know, right, we're all thinking rationally here. But can
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Speaker 12: you imagine, though, what Shannon was thinking that moment?
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Speaker 3: What did you just call her by her first name.
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Speaker 2: You're on a first name basis, now, what You're gonna
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Speaker 2: invite her over to dinner between with you and your wife,
24:56
Speaker 2: Honey and Shannon Garner after the trial.
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Speaker 12: You know, Karen corrects me on my words all the
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Speaker 12: time as well. So I have a lot of empathy
25:04
Speaker 12: for David one hundred percent here. But revenge is such
25:09
Speaker 12: a powerful emotion. And the photograph of her and her
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Speaker 12: boyfriend making mocking pictures of his death, I mean, that's
25:21
Speaker 12: what did you just say?
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 12: There's a photograph taken. It's a selfie where the boyfriend
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Speaker 12: and she are laying on the ground making these concoction
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Speaker 12: faces as if he was dead post his homicide. It's
25:41
Speaker 12: unbelievable because so can you imagine that moment. I mean,
25:44
Speaker 12: we're thinking about normal people going, Holy cow, you know,
25:48
Speaker 12: I hope that man doesn't suffer. But on the other
25:51
Speaker 12: side of the coin, they're taking selfies about his death
25:56
Speaker 12: on the ground and making these facial features. You've got
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Speaker 12: to see the photograph. It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 16: That's a hate that you can't even explain.
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Speaker 3: Wait, who is this.
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Speaker 16: Doctor Barr?
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Speaker 3: Doctor Barr jump in place.
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Speaker 16: No, that's a hatred that that you that's an evil,
26:16
Speaker 16: that's evil, that is pure evil.
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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, Can Kathleen Murphy jump in here for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about the selfie that Chris
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Speaker 2: mcdonna is talking about. I'm not sure what that selfie
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Speaker 2: really depicts, sure.
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Speaker 8: But I have to say that I see a lot
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Speaker 8: of this mental health behavior. I get a lot of
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Speaker 8: vibes of borderline personality disorder from Gardner. Are you as
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Speaker 8: rage I feel like I am Aton for thirty five years.
26:49
Speaker 8: I see the behaviors and the fact that she has
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Speaker 8: these trenetic efforts to avoid abandonment by Jerry, the litigation,
26:57
Speaker 8: the robo calling, the behaviors that she exhibits are so
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Speaker 8: typical in these high conflict cases, and when you look
27:06
Speaker 8: at the domestic sciolagues in their case, it is that rageous.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to Jared Brodigan's widow.
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Speaker 9: It was very combative over a flew of things. You know,
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Speaker 9: one week of this, the next month it's something else.
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Speaker 9: She took us to court often, as the record will show,
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Speaker 9: and one thing that just continually surprised us and our
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Speaker 9: attorney was the language that was used in the motions filed.
27:32
Speaker 9: It was not professional. It had outrageous claims such as
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Speaker 9: the father doesn't care if his child lives or dies,
27:37
Speaker 9: which is absolutely false, and these are just so skewed.
27:43
Speaker 9: It was just shocking that they would even put that
27:45
Speaker 9: type of language in something, especially when it was based
27:48
Speaker 9: on life absolutely nothing.
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Speaker 15: You know, every time we were dragged back to court
27:53
Speaker 15: over the dumbest things, things that we had tried to
27:56
Speaker 15: work out via email or text, we asked ourselves the
27:59
Speaker 15: same question, and like, why can't we have a good
28:03
Speaker 15: coparenting relationship. Why can't we just focus on the kids
28:06
Speaker 15: being happy? Why can't she be happy in her life
28:09
Speaker 15: and we'd be happy in ours. I wish I knew,
28:12
Speaker 15: but I don't know what goes on inside of her head.
28:16
Speaker 15: I think that would be a very dark place to be,
28:20
Speaker 15: and I just I don't know.
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Speaker 8: Go ahead, be the behaviors. This happened in my hometown.
28:26
Speaker 8: My sister lives seven blocks away from where this happened,
28:29
Speaker 8: and the tragedy of this happening in my hometown resonates
28:34
Speaker 8: with me because everybody wants their hometown to be safe,
28:37
Speaker 8: and this woman and her cohorts created such a local tragedy.
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Speaker 2: They really did, and then she immediately left town and moved.
28:48
Speaker 2: Take a listen our cut thirty two from Crime Online.
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Speaker 6: Arrested in Washington State in August, Shanna Gardner was finally
28:54
Speaker 6: extradited back to Florida, where she faces charges in a
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Speaker 6: murder for hire plot to kill her ex husband. Gardner
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Speaker 6: will be tried together with her current husband, Mario Fernandez Saldana.
29:04
Speaker 6: Both are accused of hiring a hit man to gun
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Speaker 6: down Jerry brid Again, the Microsoft executive and ex husband
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Speaker 6: of Gardner writing and was killed execution style in front
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Speaker 6: of his small daughter after being lured out of his
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Speaker 6: car with Debrison the road on his way home.
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Speaker 2: To Ray Caapudo, joining US investigative reporter and professor Bethune
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Speaker 2: Cookman University Ray. She actually fought extradition. Extradition is very simple.
29:26
Speaker 2: All it is is are you Shannon Gardner?
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Speaker 3: Are you that person?
29:30
Speaker 2: And if she refuses to answer, which she can, all
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Speaker 2: you do is do a fingerprint comparison. I've taken that
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Speaker 2: print right there in court and analyze it myself and went, oh, yeah,
29:40
Speaker 2: these matches that's her. And then you produce a governor's
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Speaker 2: writ which is basically an arrest.
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Speaker 3: Warrant from another state. That's all you do. It's not
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Speaker 3: about guilt or innocence.
29:52
Speaker 2: It's not about transport, it's not about anything except those
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Speaker 2: two things.
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Speaker 3: Are you Shannon Gardner?
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Speaker 2: And is there a governor's writ want for you to
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Speaker 2: be returned to the jurisdiction where the murder occurred?
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Speaker 3: That's it. That's all she fought that, right, Did she
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Speaker 3: fight that? Rig Beuto?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, Nancy, you got to understand it. She where
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Speaker 13: she's from in Washington, it's kind of an insulated environment
30:14
Speaker 13: for her. She you know, came from a wealthy family
30:17
Speaker 13: that has a well known business. She when she went
30:21
Speaker 13: back to Washington, she moved into a one million dollar home. So,
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Speaker 13: you know, I think that she probably feels that coming
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Speaker 13: back to Florida is detrimental to her. But that's, yeah,
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Speaker 13: besides the point, because the law says that, you know,
30:34
Speaker 13: this is what's got to happen. So I understand why
30:37
Speaker 13: she's doing it, But it seems like it's kind of
30:39
Speaker 13: like a hail Mary path to you know, just again
30:42
Speaker 13: to position herself to try to get through whatever's you know,
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Speaker 13: coming her way.
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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace, would you consider that to
31:08
Speaker 2: be evidence of flight. Kathleen Murphy. As soon as the
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Speaker 2: trigger man is the rest is, she takes off across
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Speaker 2: the country.
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Speaker 8: Oh, it's evidence of so much. It's evidence of light,
31:19
Speaker 8: it's evidence of disregard, it's evidence of her mental illness.
31:23
Speaker 8: It is evidence that her parents provide and over provide
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Speaker 8: for her.
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Speaker 3: Whoa what mental illness? Shannon Gardner doesn't have a mental illness.
31:31
Speaker 8: That we know of, but her behaviors are indicative to
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Speaker 8: me that those behaviors are not normal, socially acceptable behavior.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a far, far cry from a mental illness. Doctor,
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Speaker 2: Angie Arnold, you're the shrink jump in.
31:46
Speaker 7: Well, we don't want to we don't want to confuse
31:49
Speaker 7: a personality disorder with a mental illness. Okay, and I
31:54
Speaker 7: completely agree that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Well you just did what's a personality disorder?
31:59
Speaker 7: Would be the borderline personality disorder?
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Speaker 3: Okay, I think you have a personality disorder?
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Speaker 2: Me.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, what do you mean?
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Speaker 3: You always seem to think you know everything about psychiatry.
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Speaker 7: Well, let's hope I do, Nancy, or I wouldn't be
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Speaker 7: on your show.
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Speaker 2: You're so right, But when we throw around the term
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Speaker 2: crazy and mental illness, this woman is not suffering from
32:21
Speaker 2: a mental illness. She's a cold calculated killer who orchestrated
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Speaker 2: this plot.
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Speaker 3: According to prosecutors.
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Speaker 7: That is and you know what, just because she works
32:30
Speaker 7: under a personality disorder, which I'm sure she does, Okay,
32:34
Speaker 7: that does not make her mentally ill.
32:36
Speaker 2: What kind of personality or disorder if she had one?
32:40
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that she did because I disagree.
32:43
Speaker 2: I think she just the devil?
32:44
Speaker 3: What would it mean?
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Speaker 7: It would be borderline personality disorder, which is an access
32:51
Speaker 7: to disorder when we describe patients.
32:53
Speaker 2: Oh, dear lord, what disorder?
32:57
Speaker 3: Which disorder? Is she a NARCISSI? Is a is she?
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Speaker 7: Actually it's in the same cluster, which is called a
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Speaker 7: cluster b oh Der person.
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Speaker 2: And that point you just keep spouting out psychobabble. What
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Speaker 2: is an example of a personality disorder that she might have?
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Speaker 7: Borderline personality disorder is what she most likely has, as
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Speaker 7: has already been described. That is a that is a
33:29
Speaker 7: personality disorder, Nancy. It's in the same cluster as narcissism
33:33
Speaker 7: and histrionic personality disorders.
33:36
Speaker 3: And I just gave you those two answers. Can't you
33:38
Speaker 3: think of anything on.
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Speaker 7: Your own sweet heard. What I'm telling you is borderline
33:42
Speaker 7: personality disorder is in that same cluster. So they all
33:45
Speaker 7: have a lot of things in common. In all likelihood,
33:48
Speaker 7: this woman does have borderline personality disorder. That's the personality
33:54
Speaker 7: disorder she has. That does not make her, that does
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Speaker 7: not make her mentally ill.
33:59
Speaker 2: Did she know right and wrong at the time of
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Speaker 2: That's really all that matters, Okay, Kathleen Murphy.
34:05
Speaker 3: Let me throw a couple of questions to you.
34:07
Speaker 2: If the state is right and all of these are
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Speaker 2: just allegations, she has pled not guilty. And as a
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Speaker 2: high priced lawyer representing her, whose bay is he got
34:17
Speaker 2: taught mom off?
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Speaker 3: So that says a lot.
34:20
Speaker 2: Isn't it true that the trigger man who has pled
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Speaker 2: guilty says it was all her idea?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 12: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that immediately upon the arrest of the
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Speaker 2: trigger man, the defendant, the ex wife leaves the jurisdiction
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Speaker 2: and hides out on the other side of the country.
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Speaker 3: Yes, she did, And Kathleen.
34:46
Speaker 2: Isn't it also true that the victim, Jerry Bride Again,
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Speaker 2: was gunned down within minutes after leaving her home on
34:56
Speaker 2: a previously scheduled drop off of their tw and she
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Speaker 2: knew his route home.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 16: That is true?
35:08
Speaker 3: Guys, How did it all go down? What happened? Listen
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Speaker 3: to our cut too from crime Online.
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Speaker 6: Jared Bridigan had just dropped off his twins from previous
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Speaker 6: marriage with his axe and was taking a routine route home.
35:22
Speaker 6: Right after he dropped off the twins, he called his wife, Kirsten,
35:25
Speaker 6: told her they had a good day. A home security
35:27
Speaker 6: camera nearby picked up gunshots that rang out around the
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Speaker 6: time Bridigan was murdered. His two year old daughter was
35:33
Speaker 6: in the car when her father was killed. Her mother,
35:36
Speaker 6: Kristen says, her daughter will only say boom, boom, boom,
35:40
Speaker 6: and then she'll say daddy on the ground. The possible
35:43
Speaker 6: clue was caught on a nearby surveillance camera a blue
35:46
Speaker 6: Ford F one to fifty pickup truck, and that.
35:48
Speaker 2: Ford F one fifty now linked back to the defendants.
35:52
Speaker 2: And now listen again to Jared Bridigan's widow.
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Speaker 9: When my parents were our home and I remember telling
35:58
Speaker 9: them like I know something's wrong, like something is not okay.
36:02
Speaker 9: I kept calling and calling, I texted, and it's not
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Speaker 9: like him to not pick up, especially if he's in
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Speaker 9: the car like he's not doing something else, He's just driving.
36:10
Speaker 9: He would answer his phone, started looking at traffic reports
36:15
Speaker 9: to see if there was an accident or anything, and
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Speaker 9: wasn't seeing me. So I got in the car. I
36:21
Speaker 9: took my mom with me and my dad stayed at
36:22
Speaker 9: home with London, and started driving out to the beach
36:26
Speaker 9: where I knew he had been last. You know, he'd
36:28
Speaker 9: just dropped him an abbey off. That's the last point
36:30
Speaker 9: I knew he was. So I started driving that way
36:33
Speaker 9: and while I was driving, I kept calling his phone,
36:36
Speaker 9: and after four or five tries, it picked up. But
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Speaker 9: it wasn't Jared, and it was a police officer who
36:44
Speaker 9: just kept telling me to come to the station. As
36:46
Speaker 9: I kept asking if my husband okay, if my husband okay,
36:50
Speaker 9: and he said, please come to the Jacksonville Beach Police Department.
36:54
Speaker 9: Your daughter's fine, But he would not answer me about
36:56
Speaker 9: my husband, and that just confirmed to me Jared was
36:59
Speaker 9: not okay. My mom was trying to call me down.
37:02
Speaker 9: She said, maybe it's an accident. You know, we don't
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Speaker 9: know what happened.
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Speaker 15: But I knew.
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Speaker 9: I knew in my gut that Jared wasn't okay. And
37:10
Speaker 9: when we got there, I saw Bexley and then it clicked.
37:15
Speaker 9: I'm like, if this was a car accident, Bexley would
37:18
Speaker 9: be taken to the hospital to get checked out. Like
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Speaker 9: this was not a car accident, because why is she
37:22
Speaker 9: here at the station. And then it was a long night.
37:26
Speaker 9: I had to wait a while until they confirmed that
37:28
Speaker 9: Jared had been killed, talked to detective. I had to
37:32
Speaker 9: call his family that night. So it was, you know,
37:35
Speaker 9: like my whole world just came crashing down, and I
37:39
Speaker 9: never remember the saint.
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Speaker 3: And now listen again time online.
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Speaker 6: Jared Bride Again was driving in his car with his
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Speaker 6: two year old daughter when he came upon a tire
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Speaker 6: in the road. Minutes later, he was dead. Drivers found
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Speaker 6: the thirty three year old Bride Again shot to death
37:52
Speaker 6: next to his SUV, which was also struck by gunfire.
37:55
Speaker 6: His two year old daughter was inside. Investigator's surprise, she
37:59
Speaker 6: wasn't hit as well. Bradigan had his SUV's emergency flashers
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Speaker 6: on and a spare tire was in the road, which
38:04
Speaker 6: is why police believe his killers set him up. Police
38:07
Speaker 6: believed the tire was a lure to get Bridigen out
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Speaker 6: of his vehicle. The shooter was only three to four
38:12
Speaker 6: feet away when Bridigham was shot. Nothing was stolen. Investigators
38:16
Speaker 6: believe Jared Bridygham was targeted.
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Speaker 2: He was targeted, all right. More evidence probative in this
38:23
Speaker 2: case linking the wife, the ex wife to the murder.
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Speaker 3: Listen.
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Speaker 6: Just twelve days after Jared Bradygan was gunned down in
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Speaker 6: front of his two year old daughter, his widow received
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Speaker 6: an email from his ex wife asking for his death certificate.
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Speaker 9: A lot of the time, she wouldn't even talk to
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Speaker 9: us without her attorney. She'd have her stay, talked to
38:42
Speaker 9: my attorney, email my attorney. Yet she reaches out to
38:44
Speaker 9: me personally asked for a death certificate that I don't
38:48
Speaker 9: even have copies of yet. But I didn't have any
38:50
Speaker 9: at that point in time. She already filed through her
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Speaker 9: attorney two days prior on the I think it was
38:57
Speaker 9: the twenty fit if I'll have to double check that date. Yeah,
39:01
Speaker 9: the twenty bits. You already filed a suggestion of death
39:04
Speaker 9: with family court that was already done.
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Speaker 2: So, isn't it true, Kathleen Murphy, your veteran trial lawyer,
39:09
Speaker 2: that actions taken immediately following the crime can be heard
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Speaker 2: by the jury, including You've got the wife planning her
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Speaker 2: husband's funeral, and then you've got the defendant calling for
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Speaker 2: a death certificate and even worse, wait, listen to this.
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Speaker 6: Eight minutes before sending an email message requesting the death
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Speaker 6: certificate of Jared Bridegan, his ex wife, Shanna Gardner Fernandez,
39:34
Speaker 6: sent another email to Kriston Bright again. This email asked
39:37
Speaker 6: the grieving widow to return a set of school library
39:41
Speaker 6: books that were borrowed by the twins. Shanna wrote, quote,
39:45
Speaker 6: you can drop them off at any public library and
39:47
Speaker 6: they will return them to Miss Stacy or return them
39:50
Speaker 6: to the school directly. Unquote. Christian Bridigan said that after
39:54
Speaker 6: losing her husband in such a brutal way and only
39:56
Speaker 6: twelve days earlier, returning a couple of library books wasn't
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Speaker 6: on her list of priorities at the time.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't understand this, Kathleen Murphy.
40:05
Speaker 2: The woman is planning her husband's funeral and the ex
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Speaker 2: who is now the defendant in his murder is demanding
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Speaker 2: that she, the widow, return library books.
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Speaker 8: Speechless, speechless about that, And it's just a more indication
40:21
Speaker 8: that her behaviors and her treatment of him during the
40:26
Speaker 8: divorce process post divorced process continuing the litigation. She just
40:32
Speaker 8: has no ability to have any compassion for this mother
40:38
Speaker 8: who has lost her husband. It is very indicative of
40:42
Speaker 8: guilt in my opinion.
40:43
Speaker 2: Speaking of jose Bias being in the case, here's another
40:48
Speaker 2: strange coincidence. You remember, while little Keeley was missing, top
40:54
Speaker 2: mom goes out and gets a tattoo that says in
40:58
Speaker 2: English the sweet life.
41:02
Speaker 3: She was now free and living the good life. Well,
41:05
Speaker 3: a tattoo.
41:08
Speaker 2: Tattoo parlor caused him to play in this case as
41:11
Speaker 2: well with another of jose Bias's clients.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to hour cut Tins.
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Speaker 6: The day after filing for divorce, Gardner Fernandez visited a
41:19
Speaker 6: tattoo parlor to get a special piercing and listed her
41:22
Speaker 6: trainer turned to Ledge Paramore as her emergency contact, according
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Speaker 6: to a waver obtained by Fox News Digital. At the time,
41:28
Speaker 6: she and Bradigan were still living together. According to the
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Speaker 6: tattoo parlor employee, who didn't want to be named, during
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Speaker 6: a dinner, she had quote been talking to us about
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Speaker 6: her divorce and she told us her life could just
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Speaker 6: be better if he could just shut up, and asked
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Speaker 6: us if we knew anybody that could shut him up.
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Speaker 6: I did not take it at the time as anything nefarious.
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Speaker 6: In hindsight, I can see how that can be taken differently.
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Speaker 3: Now, good luck he's finding that away.
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Speaker 2: Jose Bias, the ex wife now turned murder defendant, as
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Speaker 2: asking at a tattoo parlor, Hey, you know anybody that
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Speaker 2: could shut my husband up.
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Speaker 3: Let's see how the jury takes that. We wait as
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Speaker 3: justice unfolds. Goodbye for me.