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Jeanette Maples - Murder and Generational Abuse · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Abuse and trauma, often rippled through generations, repeating a devastating
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  Speaker 1: cycle that we hear about all too often in the
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  Speaker 1: world of true crime. Today, we delve into a tragic
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  Speaker 1: story where one victim survived her own childhood horrors, only
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  Speaker 1: to subject her own daughter to the same unspeakable abuse
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  Speaker 1: that she endured. This time, however, the victim would not survive.
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  Speaker 1: This is the brutal and heartbreaking story of Jeanette Maples.
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  Speaker 1: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: And you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a.
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  Speaker 1: True crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Following material intended for a mature audience.
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  Speaker 1: Listener discretion advised. Oh man, oh man, what a case.
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  Speaker 2: This was a doozy one for you to research?
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  Speaker 1: Eh, it is, Well, we're researching far too late. It
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  Speaker 1: is Tuesday right now, it is three pm for us.
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  Speaker 1: I spend all morning and even into the afternoon doing
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  Speaker 1: some research finishing this off because I needed to do
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  Speaker 1: a proper justice and we just did a two parter,
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  Speaker 1: so there's no way I was going to split into
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  Speaker 1: two parts to do the other half of the research
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  Speaker 1: in the coming days, so I would just hunker down
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  Speaker 1: and here we are, so we.
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  Speaker 2: Get an extra long episode today, Luie.
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  Speaker 1: We definitely do and shout out to our patrons. We
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  Speaker 1: did a little post there asking for you know, you
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  Speaker 1: guys give us some cases. Let's hear what you got.
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  Speaker 1: We need to do some recommended ones from you guys
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  Speaker 1: here for a little bit, and we got a long
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  Speaker 1: list of some pretty wild cases and Scarlett ross on
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  Speaker 1: there recommended this case and said quote, if you don't
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  Speaker 1: do Jeanette Maples, I'm gonna have a fit. Though I
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  Speaker 1: know she was joking, but that alone got me. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, okay, she's pretty serious about this case.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see what it's about. And oh boy, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's heavy.
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  Speaker 2: She really hooked you up here.
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  Speaker 1: Hey yeah, so Scarlet, uh, we're all blaming you today
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  Speaker 1: for this one.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, for like, you know, taking time to recommend.
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  Speaker 1: We definitely are. And everyone else who recommended over on
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  Speaker 1: Patreon too. We're gonna be going through that list and
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  Speaker 1: doing a few of those cases up and coming. But
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  Speaker 1: we also have patrons to thank who signed up this week.
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  Speaker 1: So we have Julie Watson, Chris Patrick, Sammy Joe, and
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  Speaker 1: and getting all that extra good behind the scenes. They
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  Speaker 1: could have been putting suggestions in that list too. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll do one of their cases here soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Even looked at that list. Yeah I need too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, gone through a few cases and like I said,
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  Speaker 1: pick this case out of that list, and yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: there's some good ones on there.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It is so thank you guys so much for that sport,
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  Speaker 1: not only with suggestions but also with signing up. It
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  Speaker 1: means the world. But I think we should just get
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  Speaker 1: right into this.
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  Speaker 2: Case, no chit chat, just dive right in.
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  Speaker 1: I think so because it's going to be an extra
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  Speaker 1: long case today, so one or two things is going
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  Speaker 1: to happen. Either I'm going to be talking and flying
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  Speaker 1: through it and you guys are going to be overwhelmed
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  Speaker 1: with information, or we're going to be having a longer episode,
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  Speaker 1: so we don't need all the chit chat filler in there.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get straight to it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: So Angela Michanalty. It's kind of an interesting name to pronounce.
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  Speaker 1: It's mc so like Mick, right, and then a nalty,
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  Speaker 1: So it's Angela Micanalty. Took me a few times to
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  Speaker 1: get that name right. Okay, So Angela mcinnalty was born
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  Speaker 1: on October two, nineteen sixty eight, in Sacramento, California, into
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  Speaker 1: a tough and troubled family environment. She lived with her mother, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: her father Jerry, and a large group of siblings. Couldn't
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  Speaker 1: figure out exactly how many siblings she had, but it
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  Speaker 1: was a full household to say the least. Now Angela's upbringing,
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  Speaker 1: it was a rough one in this household. Nancy, Angela's
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  Speaker 1: mother was just eighteen years old when she gave birth
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  Speaker 1: to Angela, and by then she had already had two
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  Speaker 1: children from a previous relationship. Jerry, Angela's father, was quite
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  Speaker 1: the imposing figure and well, he was a terrifying man.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just say that. He was described as intimidating and
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  Speaker 1: violent and Jerry had ties to biker gangs and mingled
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of shady characters. He was a kind
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  Speaker 1: of man that others feared, someone you wouldn't want to cross. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this fear allowed Jerry to exert significant control over those
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  Speaker 1: around him and contributed to his ability to evade accountability
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  Speaker 1: for his actions because others didn't want to speak up
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  Speaker 1: to against them, right, so others aren't going to call
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  Speaker 1: him on his bullshit, because then they're the fear of that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, coming back to them.
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  Speaker 2: I get that, but I really don't love that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Despite his dangerous demeanor, Jerry also had a reputation
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  Speaker 1: of being a ladies man.
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  Speaker 2: M okay.
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  Speaker 1: He maintained multiple affairs during his relationship with Nancy, even
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  Speaker 1: fathering a child with another woman while Nancy was pregnant
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  Speaker 1: with Angela, So he got two women pregnant at the
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  Speaker 1: same time.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, oh my, see, okay, I don't really take ladies
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  Speaker 2: man as necessarily derogatory, but in this case it really is.
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  Speaker 1: Like, well I don't think it's derogatory either. It's you're
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  Speaker 1: able to like swoon someone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but in this case, like he's also a complete asshole.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, being a ladies man is not bad. He's
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  Speaker 1: a ladies man, but he's bad.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Like it almost seems like he needed a worse,
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  Speaker 2: worse name to me than lady's man. I guess, well that's.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I said, Like, despite his dangerous demeanor, he's
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  Speaker 1: also a ladies man.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I see, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: And then on tough of being a ladies man, he's
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  Speaker 1: also sleeping around and just like taking advantage of the
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  Speaker 1: fact of being able to swoon the ladies, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So so yeah, he had two women pregnant at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, and one of them was Nancy during her
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  Speaker 1: pregnant ship pregnancy pregnant ship, pregnancy ship, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: pregnancy with Angela. But outside of all this, the most
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  Speaker 1: troubling part of him was his violent and abusive nature.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry often subjected Nancy to relentless physical abuse, leaving her
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  Speaker 1: bruised and battered. Even during her pregnancies, Nancy endured his
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  Speaker 1: violent outbursts, often showing visible signs of the assault. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you have a pregnant lady being beaten man. Now. While
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  Speaker 1: those around her suspected or even knew about this abuse,
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  Speaker 1: fear of Jerry's retaliation kept them from stepping up or
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  Speaker 1: really saying anything. His reputation for his aggression made him
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  Speaker 1: pretty much untouchable in the eyes of the community surrounding him. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when Angela was five years old, so fast forwarding a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, Nancy, Nancy finally found the strength to get
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  Speaker 1: out and escape this toxic and abusive relationship. After years
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  Speaker 1: of enduring daily beatings, an emotional torment. She filed for divorce,
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  Speaker 1: and she left Jerry, taking her five children with her.
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  Speaker 1: Among them, three were Jerry's biological children, okay, well, other
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  Speaker 1: two were from an earlier relationship. I'm not certain if
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  Speaker 1: that's the exact number of children that lived in the household,
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  Speaker 1: because Jerry could have had children as well. All I
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  Speaker 1: know is that's how many Nancy had with him, ends
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  Speaker 1: carried with her.
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  Speaker 2: I'll see. And she's like pretty young.
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  Speaker 1: Too, hey, she is, yes, definitely, like.
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  Speaker 2: Probably mid twenties max to have five kids.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she was only she was eighteen when she birthed Angela,
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  Speaker 1: and Angela is now five years old, so eighteen plus five.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, that's old she is, right.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, twenty three and five kiddos.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, thank you for doing that math, because I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to do it and get it wrong, so I
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  Speaker 1: was just gonna leave it at that.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I kind of saw that you avoided that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I could have done it, but
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  Speaker 1: I would have been like, okay, like you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I would have taken a second. So anyways,
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  Speaker 1: the separation marked the end of Nancy's ordeal with Jerry.
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  Speaker 1: Now Nancy unfortunately wouldn't get rid of him that easy, though.
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  Speaker 1: He was enraged when Nancy began moving on with her
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  Speaker 1: life and leaving him behind, and the idea of her
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  Speaker 1: going on dates and finding happiness outside of his control
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  Speaker 1: was intolerable to him. So, true to his manipulative and
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  Speaker 1: positive nature, Jerry began stalking Nancy, intimidating her at every
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  Speaker 1: opportunity in an attempt to reassert his dominance over her life.
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  Speaker 1: And then one fateful evening, Nancy went out on a
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  Speaker 1: date and she never returned home. Soon her lifeless body
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  Speaker 1: was subsequently found near the edge of a river, the
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  Speaker 1: victim of a brutal and frenzied stabbing. She had been
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  Speaker 1: a nearly thirty times in an attack, and the police
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  Speaker 1: described it as fueled by an intense rage. The sheer
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  Speaker 1: violence of this crime shocked everyone that knew her now. Suspicion,
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  Speaker 1: of course, immediately fell on Jerry, given his history of
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  Speaker 1: abuse and controlling behavior, and all of this right, he
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  Speaker 1: had every single motive, jealousy, anger, desire to prevent Nancy
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  Speaker 1: from going on her life, whatever it was. The list
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  Speaker 1: is long, it's there, and compounding the suspicions, Jerry reportedly
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  Speaker 1: even confessed to a friend that he was the one
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  Speaker 1: who killed Nancy. Even his own mother was convinced of
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  Speaker 1: his guilt, so much so that she actually went to
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  Speaker 1: the police to report her suspicions of him being the
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  Speaker 1: one to kill Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, just like the little bit that I know,
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  Speaker 2: it almost kind of already seems like a no brainer.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I mean yeah, and in cases you generally go
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  Speaker 1: for what the spouse, immediately immediate family, right, and then
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  Speaker 1: you have a douchebag like this, it just amplifies that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and like thirty times being stacked, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it really makes sense that it would be him, which
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  Speaker 2: is so fucking.
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  Speaker 1: Bullshit, I know. But however, in California at the time,
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies, this was, as we all know,
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  Speaker 1: like the golden age of serial killers. And I say
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  Speaker 1: golden age like with quotations. Don't get me wrong, it's
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  Speaker 1: not like an amazing golden thing. No, it's like that
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  Speaker 1: was just the era. It's like that's when they're most prolific.
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  Speaker 1: So law enforcement took a different perspective on the situation,
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  Speaker 1: with notorious figures like the Zodiac Killer and Ted Bundy
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  Speaker 1: active during this period, police speculated that Nancy might have
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  Speaker 1: been a victim of one of these roaming killers rather
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  Speaker 1: than her abusive ex husband. So they're like, ah, we're
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  Speaker 1: thinking this might be a case link to one of
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  Speaker 1: these bigger serial killer crimes that's going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: So the case, unfortunately, was never conclusively solved and Jerry
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  Speaker 1: was never charged with her murder, and to this day,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy's death remains an open case with no resolution.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yes, oh my gosh, Okay, well, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 2: say it was him, and like most likely what a
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  Speaker 2: complete asshole, just like he had three children with her,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean like he had an issue with her,
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  Speaker 2: but now he's like taken their mom away.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And those other killers they didn't necessarily have. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I'd have to like reverse myself on them.
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  Speaker 2: But would they was there em a like stabbing someone
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  Speaker 2: repeatedly like.
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  Speaker 1: That again, I'd, like you said, I'd have to verse
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  Speaker 1: myself on them again exactly. But I know, like Ted Bundy,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he did well. I mean, the individuals
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  Speaker 1: were closer to Ted Bundy because he would would swoon
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  Speaker 1: them as well. He would's man right, right, so he
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  Speaker 1: would lure the women in and I just don't think
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  Speaker 1: it falls I mean, I'm sure it could fall on
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  Speaker 1: I guess some serial killers, but I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: falls under either of those ones specifically. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at the time, who knows, right.
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  Speaker 2: It just really does seem like though it would be
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  Speaker 2: someone that was close to her, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Knew her, knew her. It was a personal attack. The
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  Speaker 1: police knew that. They said, it seemed like it was
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  Speaker 1: a rage filled attack, right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, Okay? And they just maybe he had something
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  Speaker 2: on the police or not something on them, but like
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  Speaker 2: they were afraid of him too, ye, or he was
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  Speaker 2: working with them or something, who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows now. The loss of her mother was devastating
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  Speaker 1: to Angela. The bond between the two of them had
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  Speaker 1: been strong, and Nancy's murder left a void in Angela's life,
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  Speaker 1: and one that she struggled to fill. Tragically, her life
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  Speaker 1: would only grow harder in the wake of her mom's death.
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  Speaker 1: With Nancy gone, custody of Angela and her siblings fell
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  Speaker 1: to Jerry, the man that's, of course, most likely the
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  Speaker 1: murderer of their mother. Jerry now held full control over
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  Speaker 1: these children's lives, and without Nancy, as a buffer, his
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  Speaker 1: abusive tendencies became even more pronounced onto them. His rage,
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  Speaker 1: once directed at his wife, was now just to the children.
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  Speaker 1: Not long after Nancy's death, Jerry began a relationship with
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  Speaker 1: a woman named Rebecca, who had children of her own. Together,
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  Speaker 1: they created a chaotic and deeply dysfunctional household, with eight
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  Speaker 1: children crammed into a small, two bedroom home. As is
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  Speaker 1: often the case in abuse of households, favoritism ran rampant.
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca's children were treated well, receiving gifts on holidays and birthdays. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Nancy's children were ignored, neglected, and forbidden from even speaking
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  Speaker 1: about their late mother. It was as though Nancy had
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  Speaker 1: been erased from existence. The contrast and treatment only deep
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  Speaker 1: in the wound for Angela and her siblings, who were
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  Speaker 1: already grappling with the loss. Jerry's abusive behavior extended to
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca as well, mirroring the violence that inflicted on Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Once upon a time, he beat Rebecca regularly, often in
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  Speaker 1: full view of the children. In one particular horrible incident,
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  Speaker 1: Jerry reportedly drug Rebecca into the garage, tied her down
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  Speaker 1: to a table, and doused her in gasoline. Stood back
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  Speaker 1: and lit a match. Why yeah, yeah, I don't Oh.
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  Speaker 2: This sounds just like hell, like just like complete hell,
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  Speaker 2: literally what it is?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the children thankfully shouted out for him
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  Speaker 1: to stop, whether it was a presence and witness of
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  Speaker 1: the children or whatever it was. But Jerry ultimately didn't
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  Speaker 1: drop that match. But the message was clear, you don't
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  Speaker 1: defy Jerry.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Man. That is terrifying, isn't it? Just yeah, to
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  Speaker 2: say the least. Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: So the children too bore the brute of Jerry's abuse.
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  Speaker 1: He imposed strict, strict and arbitrary rules, such as forbidding, laughter,
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  Speaker 1: or conversation. Yeah. Any deviation from these rules was met
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  Speaker 1: with severe punishment. Jerry used his children a scapegoats for
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  Speaker 1: his frustrations, blaming them for stress in his life, lashing
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  Speaker 1: out with vicious beatings whenever he seemed to feel like it.
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  Speaker 1: Angela was rough childhood. Didn't just stop with physical abuse
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  Speaker 1: or strict household rules, though she and her siblings were
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  Speaker 1: often starved as well, left with barely anything to eat
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  Speaker 1: or even enough food to survive, and for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: Angela seemed to be frequent target for her father. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there was one story where one of Angela's siblings stole
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  Speaker 1: a carrot out of the fridge, and Jerry went on
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  Speaker 1: to beat that kid and threw the carrot in the
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  Speaker 1: garbage rather than letting them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, holy shit, Ben, this is too much.
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  Speaker 2: And you know something too, I've been thinking about is
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  Speaker 2: the whole favorite favoritism thing. He was probably horrible to
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  Speaker 2: because two of those kids, like weren't even his, right, correct,
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  Speaker 2: they were just Nancy's.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, honestly, like, Angela was the biggest target
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  Speaker 1: for them all and she that.
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  Speaker 2: Was his kid, hiss, like his first with Nancy, right,
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  Speaker 2: the oldest.
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  Speaker 1: I think, No, she was the youngest.
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  Speaker 2: Oh she's the youngest. Oh my goodness, this is horrible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So all the kids suffered, but Angela was particularly harsh.
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  Speaker 1: When she got her punishments, it kind of seemed to
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  Speaker 1: rain down harder on her. She was often kept apart
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  Speaker 1: from other siblings, enduring punishments and neglect that left her
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  Speaker 1: even more isolated. And it's no exaggeration to say that
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  Speaker 1: her childhood was one of the worst you could imagine,
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  Speaker 1: and sadly, like so many others in this situation, her
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  Speaker 1: traumatic upbringing shaped who she would become. And instead of
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  Speaker 1: breaking the cycle of abuse, Angela eventually became just as
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  Speaker 1: bad as Jerry, and perhaps even worse than him.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh, this case is already breaking my fucking heart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is. I can I can feel it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's now you get why it took me so
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  Speaker 1: long to research this. Not only is there a lot
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  Speaker 1: of information on it, but it is a rough one.
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  Speaker 1: So by the time she was sixteen, Angela had had
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  Speaker 1: enough of her life. She dropped out of high school,
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  Speaker 1: left home, and she ran away. And that's when she
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  Speaker 1: got involved with a carnival worker, traveling from place to
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  Speaker 1: place and living a transient lifestyle. But instead of a
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  Speaker 1: fresh start, Angela was introduced to hard drugs. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: take long for her to get hooked, setting her life
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  Speaker 1: in a downward spiral. When she turned twenty, Angela did
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  Speaker 1: move back to her hometown in Sacramento, looking for stability
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  Speaker 1: or maybe just a new start, who knows, but that's
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  Speaker 1: where she met Anthony Maples. The two hit it off fast,
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  Speaker 1: but their connection wasn't exactly healthy. Their bond was built
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  Speaker 1: on a shared love of drugs, and their lives revolved
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  Speaker 1: around getting high jobs, responsibilities, and a future weren't on
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  Speaker 1: the radar for them whatsoever. It was just.
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  Speaker 2: Drugs and how to get more in the next fix
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  Speaker 2: and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, despite their chaotic lives, Angela and Anthony quickly
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  Speaker 1: became parents. They had their first son, Anthony Junior, then
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  Speaker 1: another Braden, and by nineteen ninety six, Angela was twenty
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  Speaker 1: six years old and had a baby girl named Jeanette.
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  Speaker 1: Now Jeannette is, of course the real center of this story,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: so having kids didn't change much for Angela. She was
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: still addicted to drugs and her focus stayed on getting
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: her next high. Her three kids were neglected. They were
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: often hungry, unwashed, dirty and living in filthy conditions, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Angela's behavior was a mirror of her own childhood, with
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: her kids now and during the same kind of neglect
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: that she grew up in. Eventually, Angela and Anthony their
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: lifestyle did catch up with them a bit, as both
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: were arrested on drug charges, landing them both behind bars
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: in jail. The children, already living in a nightmare were
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: now kind of left in limbo. This arrest might have
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: been a chance for Angela to turn things around, but
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: it didn't end the cycle of neglect. If anything, It
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: was just the beginning of even darker times for her
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and her family. So after this arrest, authority stepped into
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: place in place and took these kids out of this
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: limbo situation where they didn't know what to do with
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: them because they were looking at foster care at first,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: But they didn't end up going to foster care, not
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: directly anyways. Instead, they were placed with the nearest family member.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Okay, right before you said that, I was like, no, no, no,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: no no.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately that family member was none under, none other than
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Angela's father, Jerry. Oh god, Yeah, the same abusive man
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that tormented Angela throughout her childhood and suspecting of killing
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: her mother, That same Jerry, now Jerry. Ever, the opportunists
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: took the children in, starting to collect the welfare payments
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: on their behalf. Thankfully though, as far as records indicate,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Jerry didn't abuse his grandkids, not at least the way
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: that he did his own kids anyways, But his motives
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: were it seemed to be purely financial, and it didn't
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: take long before he kind of grew tired of the responsibility.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: And about a year after Angela was released from prison,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and now she began to try and regain custody of
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: her children. Jerry didn't really want to deal with Angela,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and at this point was kind of tired of having
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: all these fucking kids in his life, and he decided
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to hand them over to foster care. So they did
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: go to foster care, but there was about a year
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: period where they were living with Jerry. Okay, now, this
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: decision finally gave the children a chance to experience a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: more stable and caring environment. I'm not saying foster care
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: is a perfect system, and I'm not saying everyone gets
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the best care in foster care, but these kids were
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: certainly getting it better.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Well there, let's just say their bar was set real low.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, it was what they expected.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no. So Jeannette, Anthony Junior, and Brandon were
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: now living with foster families who provided them with structure
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and attention that they desperately needed. Angela wasn't ready to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: give up on our kids, though. Over the next four years,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: she fought, and she fought hard to regain custody, regularly
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: visiting them in their foster homes. And during this time, Jeannette,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: who had been between the ages of two and six,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: had weekly supervised visits with her mother. Since she was
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: so young, she didn't really remember the neglect or the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: chaos from earlier years. To her, Angela was just the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: woman who showed up for visits, which made it easier
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: for her to form an attachment to the person who
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: she knows as her mother. In two thousand and one,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: when Angela was thirty two, the courts finally granted her
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: custody of her children. Now, this moment should have been
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a happy reunion, but instead it was heartbreaking because before
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the final decision, the court asked all three kids how
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they felt about returning to their mother. Both Anthony Junior
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: and Braden old enough to remember what the life was
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: before the foster care living with their mother. They wrote
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: letters to the judge pleading to stay in foster care. Yeah,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: they did not want to return into her care. They
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: pleaded to stay in foster care, and the.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Judge didn't listen. Hey, well there's more, there's way more
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But damn, the judge granted them their request. Oh, the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: judge did grant them their.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Request, Okay, to stay in foster care.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: But then Jeanette, however, didn't have those same memories. All
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: she knew was her mother visiting her every week those
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: past few years, looking forward to her mom coming and
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: seeing her. So when she was asked if she wanted
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to go back with Angela, she said yes, believing your
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: mother could provide love and care that she longed for.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't even know what to say. This is
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: just destroying me.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Understandably. I feel you that I wasn't gonna have a
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: beer on this episode. But there is a damn good
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: reason why I cracked this one.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's happening. And thanks for warning me about
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: this shit. You didn't give me any warning. Here, I'm
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: drinking fucking water.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: There's a fridge right down here. Do you want Do
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you want something? No, you're good, I'll I'll live all right. Yeah, No,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: this is rough, And yeah, we're I mean, we are
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: just getting into Jeanette's story. Really, we've covered Angela a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: little bit and now we're we're talking about Jeanette. So,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: at just six years old, after spending over five years
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in foster carre, Jeanette was sent back to live with
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: her mother. It was a decision that would ultimately set
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the stage for the horrors of the years to come,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: because not long after Jeanette returned to her mother's custody,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: her family actually grew larger. A year later, Angela had
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: another daughter, a daughter named Patience, and was fathered by
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: an unknown man. But that wasn't the end of the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: new siblings. Angela soon started a relationship with long haul
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: trucker named Richer mcaul. I have already the name. I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: told you, I tried and got it right. So hold on,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: hold on, micinalty, there we go, okay, Richard mcinalty. So,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Richard wasn't home much due to his job, and when
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: he was, he didn't really seem to take much interest
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: in the in the dynamics of the household per se.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: But he was described as simple and rather unintelligent, and
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: he just kind of handed over his earnings to Angela
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: without any question. Some people are sitting here like that
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: sounds like a good man, but not saying he wasn't.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: But we'll get into him a little bit too. Eventually
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the two would marry and have the children of their
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: own or sorry, h child of their own, Richard Junior.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So by this point the family consisted of Angela, Richard,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and four children, Jeanette, Patients and Thenny Junior and Richard Junior.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of kids in this story.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, but sorry, and the two that are no longer
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: even living with them?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Right, yes, those are another two of Angela's kids.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Ok but then she.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Also has another two kids, right because she had five
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: in total with another relationship. Like, there's there's kids spread
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: out through all these relationships.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I've already lost track if I'm being honest.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Honestly, keep track of Jeanette. That's all you really need.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, okay.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: On the surface, things seemed to settle down for a while,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: but that calm wouldn't last. In two thousand and five,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the family moved from Sacramento to Eugene, Oregon, and it
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: was there that the situation took a sharp turn for
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the worst. Angela's treatment of Jeanette began to deteriorate rapidly
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: for reasons that were never really entirely clear. Angela started
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to single Jeanette out amongst your children. The punishment started small,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: with things like being sent to her room, but they
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: quickly escalated. Soon Jeanette was being locked in a room
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: for extended periods of time, and Angela even installed a
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: lock on the outside of her door to keep her confined.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: By two thousand and six, Jeanette was attending Cas Skayed
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Middle School, starting in the middle of her sixth grade year.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: School wasn't easy for her. She faced bullying from other
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: classmates who made fun of her for her old and dirty,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: tattered clothes that she was sent to school in by Angela.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: But despite this, Jeannette found some solace in going to
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: school became a refuge from her home life, a place
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: where she could escape, even briefly, from the worst abuse
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that was happening at home. Though Jeannette was quiet and reserved,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: she managed to make a few friends. She also developed
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a deep love for writing and for poetry, pouring her
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings into her work. The school library became
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: her sanctuary, and she spent much of her time focusing
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: on her studies and diving into books. She took her
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: education seriously, using it as a way to cope with
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: her difficult home life. Even as her home life grew darker.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Jeanette's resilience shone through her passion for learning and creativity,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: but unfortunately, her time at school and her love for
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: reading couldn't shield her from what I waited at home.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: By the time Jeanette reached middle school, the abuse at
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: home had escalated to a horrifying level. It wasn't just
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the isolation of being locked in her room anymore. Angela's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: punishments had become physical. Jeanette endured regular beatings, much like
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Angela had suffered during her very own childhood. The cycle
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: of trauma was now being inflicted on her daughter. Jeannette
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: tried to keep the abuse hidden, terrified that you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the it's going to be revealed or make things worse
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: or something like that. If someone figures this out, you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: when speaks about it outloud, she's going to go home
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and her mom's going to beat her more.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, especially going to school and stuff like you think,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: you know it, depending where they were hurting her and
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: stuff like, it would probably show. Well.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing they did show. For example, like
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: there was bruises on her legs and abdomen, and it
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: was hard to conceal because things like changing in clothes
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: in gym class, right, Yeah, friends and people did notice
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: these marks, and Jeanette would just rush off their concerns,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: claiming she had fallen or some other accident or.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Excuse the poor thing.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she at this age, being so young, became very
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: skilled at masking this pain and pretending like it was nothing. Now,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: after school, her demeanor would change. Classmates would later recall
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: how Jeannette would become visibly anxious and withdrawn at the
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: end of the day with the ringing of the bell
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: was sending everyone home. It was almost a dreadful moment
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: for her.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, holy shit, our poor little heart's just breaking for her.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I know, I can't imagine. Many people in Jeannette's life
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: did try to help her. Grandmother Lynn mcinnulty saw the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: children occasionally and became deeply concerned with what she noticed.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Lynn made two separate reports, at least two separate reports,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: pleading for them to investigate and intervene. A parent of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: one of Jeanette's friends also contacted Child Protectives Services or CPS,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I'll refer to it from here on out. So after
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: their child told them about Jeanette's bruises and suspected abuse,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: teachers at the school joined the efforts, reporting their suspicions
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to the Department of Human Services or DHS. After learning
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: from Jeanette's friends in seventh grade, that her mother was abusive,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and in two thousand and seven, the reports led to
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a visit from CPS. However, the investigation was brief and
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: ultimately ineffective. Angela denied the accusation's outright, insisting that Jeannette
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: was a habitual liar, She's just a liar, compulsive liar,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and that any reports of abuse were we're baseless and false.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Well, of course that, of course she's going to say that,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: though I know well with that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Though Child Perseective Services accepted her explanation and closed the case.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: That is a complete fail right there.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: It.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Just give me a second, I'll finish this off, then
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: we'll get into it. So Jeanette's visible bruises and the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: testimonies of others around her, and the consistent reports of
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: mistreatment were all dismissed as quote second hand information. The
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: failure of Child Protective Services left Jeanette trapped in the
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: dangerous and worsening situation. So, okay, don't get me wrong.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's protocols for when things like this happen,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and what social workers are supposed to do, and many
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of the things that they go through and have to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: endure I'm unaware of, Okay, so I want to clarify that.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But this to me sounds like a lack of due diligence.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you're performing an investigation, aren't you supposed
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to actually investigate.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not like it was just like one case
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: coming into or one what were you calling that, like
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: complaint or whatever? Right, there was like numerous.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly, and so they just come in ask fucking ask
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: fan's love, like, so you beaten your kid?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, she's lying, yeah, okay, like that's it. Well,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and of course too, like the kid could be terrified,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: they might not admit to it, so of course everything's
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: going to be like secondhand right necessarily, right, so they
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: needed to come back a few times or oh man,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: that just seems But it also could be like just
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the system and stuff too, and where it's like maybe
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: this person had too much on their plate, right, and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: they didn't have the time to like put the effort
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: in that they needed and stuff, which is it's not
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: good though.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I will partially agree with you on that. I'm sure
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the system is broken and overloaded, but that individual was
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: not doing their due diligence on the case that they
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: were working well.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that it was so many complaints
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: and stuff like it needed to be looked.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: At, right, Like, I don't care if you have one
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: case or if you have a hundred cases. If you
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: knock on the door and ask the alleged abuser are
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you abusing some one? And you take their no as
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a fact and walk away, you're not doing your job.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: There is no one that would ever just be like, yeah, yeah, I.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Am right, Like, seriously, you're fucking kidding me. What are
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: they gonna do? Say they do have a hundred different
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: cases they're going to maybe they have one hundred cases
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: they have to go to that day. Is that how
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: they're going to treat every single fucking case? Then you're
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: not You're you're not doing your job. You're not You're useless.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: There's no point to what you're doing there, exactly.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to investigate, you need to do your
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: due diligence. You need to ask questions. Why why didn't
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they talk to her siblings? Why didn't they talk to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: to and to Jeanette. Maybe they should have talked to Richard.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe Richard would have said something. Did they talk to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a neighbor, ask questions about the neighbor. Have you seen
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the kids playing out in the yard? Do you know
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the neighbor very well fucking talk to people?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Or did they talk to the like the grandma enough,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: you know that wasn't even Jeanette's grandma, well was, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: like married and stuff? Right, So, like, how thoroughly did
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: they investigate this? It doesn't sound like they did much
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: at all?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: No, not really. They did a house visit and questioned
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Angela and that's.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: It and then signs healed, delivered, done.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not even sure if they like in
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: their house visit looked around the house. It could have
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: been just like a knock at the door conversation.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, and like they needed to go in. There's
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: probably the lock still in the fucking door and shit.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so where am I here? I lost? Okay, So,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: after Jeanette finished eighth grade, Angela made the devastating decision
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to pull Jeannette out of school, claiming that she would
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: homeschooler instead. No, yeah, this wasn't about providing a better education.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: It was a calculated move to isolate Jeannette completely and
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: prevent teachers and classmates from noticing any signs of abuse,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: which now I mean school was only was Jeanette's only
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: escape up until now, right, so her refuge from this
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: horror was gone.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised, like I honest seem to just surprised you
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: that it's just carrying on so much, Like as she's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: getting older, I feel like she's probably learning to like
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: almost be more and more invisible at home really, which
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: is so sad to think. But yet everything is just
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: getting worse for her there.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, And I don't think that she can be
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: invisible because I think it's things are specifically taken out
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: on her, like she is sought out to be abused. Like, say,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I don't this is completely speculation. I'm just making up
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a scenario on the spot here, so don't quote this
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: for the story. This is just me throwing something out.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: But like say, Angela comes home with some fucking groceries
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and maybe there was a lot of people at the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: grocery store, and she's pissed off, so she just goes
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: in the house, puts the groceries down, goes find Jeanette
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and beats the shit out of her to get out
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: her frustrations. Like that sort of situation, you know, like
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you can't be invisible when someone seeks you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, god, not.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: A clarify again, I made that up just for the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: sake of the conversation. So anyways, back to the actual
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: story though. In October of two thousand and nine, Angela's stepmother, Lynn,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: so that's going to be the grandmother, right, managed to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: visit the home briefly once again and she saw Jeanette
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and was horrified. So Jeanette at the time, was being punished.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: She was standing up against the wall. I mean, many
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: kids you know, time out right, No, it was against
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the wall or whatever. So that's kind of the situation.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: But Lynn was quite alarmed because it was a condition
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Jeanette was in. She seemed severely emaciated and her body
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: was pretty much skin and bones at this point. Her
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: lip was split wide open, and her frail frame showed
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: every sign of prolonged starvation and her physical abuse. Angela
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: once again started making the excuses that she always did.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: She claimed that Jeanette had just fallen and that's how
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: she split her lip open, and she's standing up against
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the wall because she's she's just being punished for something
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that she did, right, now, like just shaking things off, right,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Lynn left the house. She completely shook and immediately called
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Chold Protective Services again, begging them to intervene, and tragically,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: her pleas fell on deaf years once again. How the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: shit are they falling because you have people not doing
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: their fucking jobs?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What Lynn didn't know though at this time, was
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: when she left the house that day, this would be
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the last time that she ever saw Jeanette.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean it's only this only time is
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: gonna stop. Like, oh, I don't I can't even speak
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: right now because this is just like fucking with me
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: so bad.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Well, you're not gonna like this because this is literally
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: what I have written down here. Up until now, I
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: haven't really dove into the things that Jeannette endured from
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: her mother. So let me continue.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Do we need to continue?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Yes? Okay. I struggled a bit with myself and whether
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I should talk about them or not, but it came
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to the conclusion for Jeanette's sake, I would because I mean, ultimately,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: on our podcast, we like to tell the victim story, right,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: That's what we want to do, is we want to
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: bring the victims story to light and if we can,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: in the same process, you know, take away any fear
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: mongering from the perpetrators, which is why we crack jokes
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and we you know, make light of some of the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: situations and call them names or whatever. But we want
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to tell the victim's story. And I think if we
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: were to not tell some of the things that Jeanette
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: went through, I don't think we'd be doing any favors
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: for Jeanette. I think we'd be doing favors for Angela.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: H So we are going to dive into some of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the things that Jeanette endured.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: What's name again, Angela? Yes, okay, she is just a
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: piece of shit, Yes she is. I'm sorry, but we're
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: starting this conversation with that statement, and now we can
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: continue onk.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So, Angela's a piece of shit. And Jeanette's life was
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: defined by isolation, starvation, and constant violence. As we know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: she was forbidden from speaking to her own siblings and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: was treated as an outcast within her family. Angela took
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: extreme measures to control Jeannette's access to food, locking the
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: kitchen cupboards and providing her with far less to eat
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: than anyone else in the house. Some days Jeanette wasn't
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: even given any food at all. She was forced to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: sit there and watch her siblings eat dinner. What She
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: was forced to sit and watch her siblings play video
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: games or watch them watch TV, but she was not
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: allowed to watch the TV. She was unable to join
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: in at all.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: What the hell?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Angela also deprived Jeannette of water. She removed taps from
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: sinks and turned off mean water supplies and locked the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: bathroom doors. Jeannette had to ask permission, in fact, just
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to use the bathroom at all to relieve her and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: when Angela denied her, she was forced to soil herself
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and remain in the filth. At times, she was desperate
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: for water, and Jeanette would resort to drinking from the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: dog's water bowl or even the toilet when she was
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: granted access to the bathroom.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: She even gave the like the dog even had fucking
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: water and shit, like what is going on here?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Angela inflicted humiliation on Jeanette as well as a
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: twisted form of entertainment. She forced her to eat hot peppers.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: So you have someone who's starving here, eat this right,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: mm hmm. So both Angela and Jeannette know she's eating this,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: She's gonna suffer, but Jeanette's like, this is all I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: have to eat, so I have no other option.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Oly shit.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Other punishments include making Jeannette kneel or stand in
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the corner while holding heavy objects above her head for hours.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And you have someone who's seriously weak, who has barely
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: anything on their bones, and they're being made to en
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: or a physical activity for hours on end. It was relentless.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: The physical abuse Jeanett endured was even more horrifying than
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: honestly anything I can think of. She was punched, slapped, scratched,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: kicked repeatedly. Her body was covered in bruises and cuts.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: She had lost teeth that were knocked out from several beatings.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Angela frequently whipped Jeanette's bare back legs, butt with a belt, sticks,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: or other objects, leaving her with deep lacerations. Sometimes things
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: would get infected or not healed properly, and she would
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: cut the dead flesh off with scissors. And some of
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: these wounds were so severe and so deep that one
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: particular one exposed her hip bone on her side. The
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: injuries made it difficult for Jeannette to move, let alone
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: function normally, things still just escalated to levels of unimagined cruelty.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Among the many horrific things Angela did, she regularly stomped
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: on Jeannette's feet so hard that the girl could barely
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: stand on both feet, often forced to balance on one
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: foot due to the pain. In an act of profound
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: humiliation and degradation, Angela would make her own children collect
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: dog feces from the yard, which she would then smear
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: on Jeanette's face and force into her mouth. These uh
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: torments stripped Jeannette of her dignity, but any or sense
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: of self worth as well. Oh boy, yeah, I'll let
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you soak that in for a minute now again. This
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: is why I opened a drink today.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. This is just like I'm curious too if
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: this is I mean, it sounds like it's even worse
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: than how she was treated to us by Jerry. Hey.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, actually I believe so. Yes, don't get me wrong,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Angela was treated like absolute garbage too,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: but it seems like she stepped it up a little bit.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Huh wow.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: So Jeanette spent most of her days locked in her room,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: isolated from the rest of the family, when Angela beat her,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: she would turn on the vacuum cleaner just to drowned
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: out Jeannette's screams ensuring that no one outside would hear
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the horrors unfolding inside the house.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: But they probably still did, you think, like, I don't know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Now, the relentless cycle of abuse did finally come to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: a head in December of two thousand and nine. At
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: some point in the early early month, Jeannette suffered a
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: devastating blow to the head. What or how it's unclear
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the exact circumstance of this injury or just left unknown,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: but it left her disoriented and unable to walk properly
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: or stand. Her condition worsened, and on December ninth, two
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: thousand and nine, Jeanette collapsed Unable to get up, She
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: fell asleep on the floor, and when Angela tried to
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: wake her, Jeannette was unresponsive. In panic, Jeanette and her husband, Richard,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: carried Jeannette to an ice cold bath, hoping to shock
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: her awake, but the attempt failed. With no other options,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Angela dialed nine one one.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: In a panic, like why would they even be in
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: a panic?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Because they accidentally killed her? They pushed her too.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Far because they fucked up, I guess.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Because someone's probably gonna find out now.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Put them in an ice bath, like oh.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: My god, literally trying to shock them awake. If that's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: going to wake them up, that will literally probably put
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: them into shock, which is yeah, anaphylactic shock is nothing
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to fuck with. So when paramedics arrived Angela's Angela just
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: played dumb. Basically, to put it in the plaints of sentence,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: she claimed that she had no idea what happened. That
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: just Jeanette just kind of collapsed. Yeah, she cried and
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: was begging them for them to save her daughter. Like literally,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: when they're pulling up, she's out in the driveway like
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: screaming and crying.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: You can't hide that, though, no, Like you just can't.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: No, there's no way. She's basically putting on a show
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: of desperation. But her performance, like you say, couldn't hide
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the truth. It was written all over Jeanette's body. Paramedics
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: foun Jeannette lying on her back in a dimly lit
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: living room, topless and unresponsive. Her body was covered in
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: deep cuts, bruises, and scars, evidence of the prolonged torture
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that she had endured. Her emanciated frame was so skeletal
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that her bones were visible beneath her skin. She weighed
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: fifty pounds at fifteen years old.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Shit fifty like five zero five zero.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: She's fifteen one to five and weighed fifty five zero pounds.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It was immediately clear to the paramedics that Angela's story
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: didn't add up, but their focus had to remain on Jeanette.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: She was showing no signs of life, so they tried
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to work quickly and desperately to revive her, performing CPR
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and inserting a breathing tube just to try and get
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: oxygen into her lungs. But despite their efforts, Jeanette was
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: pronounced dead shortly after arriving to the hospital. Jeanette Maples
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: died at just fifteen years old, but her short life
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: defined the unimaginable suffering at the hands of a person
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: who is supposed to protect her. Her death left paramedics,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: medical staff, and investigators absolutely shaken, not only by the
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: severity of her injuries, but also by the systemic failures
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that allowed the abuse to continue unchecked.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I mean, there would be so many people
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: that would just be seeing her body, right, yep, I
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: can even imagine now.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Jeanette's official cause of death was it's kind of unknown.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: They don't really know. The medical report listed multiple causes
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: as it was impossible really to pinpoint a single factor, right,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: But it was officially attributed to quote, bleeding on the brain,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: septic show, dehydration, and starvation. So we have multiple things
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that could have been, but which one we don't know.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's just survi. It's surprising to even like
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: imagine someone weighing that little and like even being able
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to function.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know how she could. Yeah, I really
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: don't know how she could, honestly, Like you're you're what's
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the average weight of an American fifteen year old? Or
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I won't even do that. I'll just go average weight
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of a fifteen year old. I'll see what Google says.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Female though, too. Yeah, I bet youd have. Like I'm
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: just trying to think it's I bet you it has
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: to be over one hundred pounds, hundred pounds, one hundred
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and twenty pounds. I don't know.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Let me see the average weight of fifteen year old. Okay, well,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: AI is in Google is popping up with an American
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: even though I didn't put that in, but the average
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: weight of a fifteen year old American girl is one
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven point five pounds. Of course, it
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: depends on their frame, their height and all that. So
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you are I would say, yeah, over one hundred pounds.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Let's just say one hundred and twenty five just to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: be safe.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, was that so she was more than like half yeah?
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Under gosh, yeah, I can't imagine. That is just so unhealthy.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: So, after Jeanette's death, Angela and Richard mcinalty agreed to
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: accompany officers to the station for questioning. Before leaving the hospital,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the couple made up a little plan. Angela convinced Richard
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: to take the blame for Jeannette's death. She believed that
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: because of Richard's heart condition, which he had recently been
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: diagnosed with, that the court should be more lenient on him,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and she convinced him to take the blame for that.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Seriously.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. However, Richard eventually broke under the pressure of questioning.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: He confessed to everything to the police, exposing the extent
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of Angela's abuse and his role as a implicit bystander
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: as far as we are aware Richard never laid a
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: finger on Jeannette, but.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: He did allow it to happen.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: But he did allow it to happen. So yeah, he's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: not as bad as Angela, but he's still fucking badh So,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: on December sixteenth, two thousand and nine, Angela and Richard
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: were both charged officially with aggravated murder. Meanwhile, Jeanette's two
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: half siblings, Patience and Richard Junior, were removed from the
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: home and placed into protected custody. As police investigated the
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: mcinnlty home, they are met with scenes straight out of
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: a nightmare. And when I say they are met with
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: scenes straight out of a nightmare, I am literally quoting
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the investigators who walked in through that door. Jeanette so
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: called room was revealed to be a space of unimaginable suffering.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Her bed was nothing more than a thin sheet of cardboard,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: which was soaked with dry blood, urine, and feces beneath
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the carpet. Because it was ripped up, Jeanette's blood had
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: seeped through the cardboard, threw the carpet and into the subfloor,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: staining the wood. The room was later dubbed quote the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: torture room by investigators.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: And like that was probably all that was mostly in there.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: She probably had no like personal items or anything, right, correct,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Like that is just not what a fifteen year old's room, she'd.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Look, That's not what anyone's room should now. Along the
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: walls of this quote torture room, which was her room,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: blood and human tissue were found splattered on the walls,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: providing chilling evidence of the beatings that took place within.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Among items recovered from the home, where a broken wooden
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: ruler covered in blood believed to be Angela's preferred weapon,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: two belts that were stiff with dried blood, and jagged
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: tree branches that were also stained red with Jeanette's blood.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: It was a horrifying scene that reflected everything that Jeannette
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: went through. Angela's try trial revealed the full extent of
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the brutality, but her defense lawyer made an appalling argument,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know how anyone could defend this or even
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: fucking say this money, I don't give a shit.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that can be the only reason.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I don't care. There's that's not an excuse.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: No it isn't.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: But but the defense lawyer's excuse was that Angela wasn't
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: a danger to society and didn't intend to kill her daughter,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and and would herself be a victim if sent to prison. Good, yeah,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I he's saying, Angela is the fucking victim if she
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: goes to jail. Are you fucking kidding? Like, what kind
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: of piece of shit is this lawyer that is?
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: That's I mean, well, he had to come up with something, right,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I guess I couldn't.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't take that case. No, just fucking no.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I think someone has to, though they were we
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: have to assign someone to her, right, which never really said.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: But you're right, you're you're entitled to it, right, You're right,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: he didn't even want it, and you just had to
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: be creative with some bullshit shit even if you don't
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: want it, and you have to do it, you're assigned
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and you have to be creative because you're totally right
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: that that makes sense.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Someone has to do it otherwise, you know, they can
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: never get fully convicted, So someone has to be up
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: there to defender. Okay, great, Angela didn't intend to kill
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: her daughter. Sure, let's just say that.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Leave it at that.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Leave it at that. Angela didn't intend to kill her daughter.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Which maybe Sehn didn't. She probably didn't. She herself survived
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: all this shit that she went through, so she was
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: thinking it would just be the same for her own daughter.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe she took it far too far.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Still doesn't mean it's okay, no for her or this
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: fucking piece of shit lawyer.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: No, everyone in this case is a piece of shit
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: except Jeanette.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, fucking bad as how, she didn't do it
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: all that.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: There's so many people in here that are just like
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: just pissy off.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, it would be February one, twenty eleven, when
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Angela would plead guilty to aggravated murder, and by February
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: twenty fourth, the twenty eleven she was sentenced to death
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: for the torture and murder of her daughter, Jeanette.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: She became the only woman in Oregon to be sentenced
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: to death since the state reinstated capital punishments in nineteen
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: eighty four. However, Angela's sentence was reevaluated in August of
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: twenty and twenty and she was re sentenced to life
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: in prison without the possibility of paroles, so she is
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: no longer on death roll. Richard McNulty, while not directly
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: involved with physical abuse as I mentioned, was charged for
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: his inaction and complicit actions in not letting this continuing
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: to let this occur, and on April of twenty four
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: or sorry April twenty fourth, the twenty eleven, he was
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: sentenced to life in Prith prison and with the possibility
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of parole after twenty five years. His failure to protect Jeanette,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: combined with his willingness to turn a blind eye, sealed
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: his fate.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, no, he definitely deserves something, that's for sure.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Jeannette's story is one of incredible suffering, systemic failure,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: and a haunting reminder of the importance of vigilance in
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: protecting children. Despite multiple warnings from concerned individuals, the system
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: failed her time and time again, leaving her to endure
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: years of unspeakable abuse. Well, Angela and Richard were ultimately
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: brought to justice, it was just too late for Jeanette.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Her tragic death continues to serve as a stark reminder
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: for accountability and reform and child welfare systems.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm sure that it, you know, at least
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: made a difference in It's probably saved people's life.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, sure it has. But it's such a tragic story.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, like it's tragic what Angela
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: went through as well, because we have we have two
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: tragic stories. Honestly, here we have Angela's story of what
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: she endured, but then she just she perpetuated it and
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: she turned into someone worse than her father potentially well,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, devil devil's advocate. Here, let's say Jerry
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: did commit that murder. Now we have Angela who did
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: commit the murder. She is her fucking father.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it almost, I know, like it's it
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: almost makes it worse though for me right now, because
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: she would know, she's exactly how that feels.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, this case is just so disgusting. It's just terrible.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: And that's a story of Jeannette Sorr. I already closed
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: my laptop with Maple's there.
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  Speaker 2: Maples, Maples, Maples. It makes you just want to like
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: turn the lights off, really and just like saw sob Yeah, completely,
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  Speaker 2: I know it's horrifying. Oh yeah, so yeah, hopefully you
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: guys are going to be able to sleep tonight.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I will be I spent several
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: days researching this case. And thank you to Scarlet for
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: putting that on us. I'm calling you out right now.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Gosh, don't be mean to Scarlet, but that is like
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: so brutal. But like, honestly, Jeannette's story does need to
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: be out there, and it's something that like people in
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, power, like in that kind of power
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that can help this, Like they need to change.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Things like social workers or someone like in job detective
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: services or authority figures. Yeah, do your due diligence, do
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: your job, because if you don't, this is what can happen.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's like I don't know, it's if the
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: only light is that it I'm sure it saved other kids. Yeah, right,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: And I think Jeanette would be the type of person
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: that you know would be happy about that.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. So now I do want to clarify. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have anything against social workers. I don't have any
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: anything against individuals in child protective service or any of
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: these situations. I have an issue with people who don't
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  Speaker 1: do their due diligence. I understand people are human. I
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: understand people make mistakes. I understand people might not see
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: everything and you know, be unaware. But you cannot sit
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  Speaker 1: here and tell me that the child Protective Service person
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: who knocked on that door and took Angela's word for
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: it that she wasn't abusing Jeanette and walked away and
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: closed the case did their fucking job. Yeah, I'm sorry
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: that person. Yeah, piece of shit.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm I feel like it had to have been
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: looked into, right, And so I'm wondering if some people
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that didn't do their due diligence got in some big
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: trouble there, probably yeah, like they needed to have. Yeah,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: so yikes.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Anyways, that is the story of Jeanette. Hopefully you guys.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say enjoy. It's always weird at
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: the end when I'm like, hopefully enjoyed this story. It's
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: hard to enjoy these stories. But at the same time,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: we are true crime fanatics, and I there is that
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: hey enjoyed the story. You know what I'm saying. It's weird,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: but hopefully you guys enjoyed the story. Don't forget to
• 57:23
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• 57:34
  Speaker 1: all that by myself and Cole. It's us doing everything,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: No big corporation above us. It's us, US and the dogs,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: us in the doges, our moral support dogs. Yeah. And
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: the chickens.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the chickens and the chickens.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks for being here and sorry that we're
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: late on this episode getting it out today, but I
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: think it was worth the wait and worth putting in
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: the extra research to ensure I did Jeanette story.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Just oh yeah, absolutely so. Until next episode, stay Wicked,