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- 0:01Speaker 1: Taking a Walk Nashville.
- 0:02Speaker 2: If that is something that you feel is important to you,
- 0:06Speaker 2: to make a piece of work and put it out
- 0:08Speaker 2: in the world, that's a hard thing to not do
- 0:11Speaker 2: if you have that.
- 0:12Speaker 3: Inkley, Hi, this is Sarah Harrelson, your host of Taking
- 0:16Speaker 3: a Walk in Nashville Today. I am sitting down with
- 0:20Speaker 3: Nashville songwriter Adam Wright to talk about his new album,
- 0:25Speaker 3: Nature of Necessity. Join me as we unfold his journey
- 0:29Speaker 3: from Georgia Roots to pursuing a music dream with his wife, Shannon.
- 0:35Speaker 3: Adam Wright is a twice Grammy nominated songwriter, singer, producer,
- 0:39Speaker 3: and musician and is signed with Carnival Music. His songs
- 0:44Speaker 3: have been recorded and performed by artists such as Alan Jackson,
- 0:49Speaker 3: Leanne Wollmack, John Legend, Brandy Clark, Trisha Yearwood, and Garth Brooks,
- 0:54Speaker 3: just to name a fuel. Let's take a walk with
- 0:57Speaker 3: Adam and Nashville together.
- 1:03Speaker 1: Welcome to Taking a Walk Nashville with your hosts singer
- 1:07Speaker 1: songwriter Sarah Harrelson.
- 1:09Speaker 3: So, Adam, thank you so much for being on Taking
- 1:12Speaker 3: a Walk Nashville today. Your songs have been recorded by
- 1:17Speaker 3: Nashville giants like Garth Brooks, Alan Jackson, Leon Wilmack, and
- 1:22Speaker 3: one of my favorites, Brandy Clark. Can you just start
- 1:25Speaker 3: by telling listeners how you got your start in songwriting
- 1:29Speaker 3: and where you're from.
- 1:30Speaker 2: Originally, I'm from Nonon, Georgia, which when I was growing
- 1:35Speaker 2: up there was a small town and after the Olympics
- 1:40Speaker 2: in ninety six, there were no small towns that close
- 1:44Speaker 2: to Atlanta there. It sort of swallowed everything. So but
- 1:49Speaker 2: you know, I grew up my dad was a piano player,
- 1:53Speaker 2: mostly you know, church music. My grandfather was a piano player,
- 1:57Speaker 2: and it was mostly like jazz standards, you know, from
- 2:02Speaker 2: the thirties and forties, twenties and thirties and forties. So
- 2:06Speaker 2: I heard I started as a piano player, I guess,
- 2:09Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to get at. And then I
- 2:11Speaker 2: heard a Chuck Berry record when I was about twelve
- 2:13Speaker 2: years old and just lost my mind about guitar and
- 2:17Speaker 2: needed a guitar immediately. But so that was a lot
- 2:21Speaker 2: of musicianship, you know, went on for years, and I
- 2:23Speaker 2: think when I was a teenager was when I started
- 2:26Speaker 2: getting interested in how to write songs because my friend
- 2:30Speaker 2: and I started a band and we you know, we
- 2:33Speaker 2: sort of ran out of cover songs and started writing
- 2:37Speaker 2: songs to emulate the bands that we were into and professionally.
- 2:45Speaker 2: I guess I was living in Atlanta in my twenties
- 2:47Speaker 2: and my wife and I had a band, my then
- 2:50Speaker 2: girlfriend who would become my wife. We had a band
- 2:52Speaker 2: and we were writing a lot of songs. And I
- 2:57Speaker 2: had an uncle in the business, and I would send
- 2:59Speaker 2: him songs occasionally, and he was the one who was like,
- 3:04Speaker 2: you guys, ought to move to either Austin, Texas or
- 3:07Speaker 2: Nashville and sort of pursue this, you know, do it.
- 3:13Speaker 2: And we didn't know anybody in Austin, so we moved
- 3:16Speaker 2: to Nashville and got started learning how to, you know,
- 3:20Speaker 2: professionally write songs about going to writers' nights and trying
- 3:24Speaker 2: to get in the room with what we considered real songwriters.
- 3:27Speaker 2: And that's a you know, no matter how much you
- 3:30Speaker 2: do before you get to town, when you get to town,
- 3:33Speaker 2: you're starting over. It doesn't really matter what you've done
- 3:36Speaker 2: before you got here. At least it was that way
- 3:37Speaker 2: when we came here.
- 3:39Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And it sounds like you grew up around
- 3:42Speaker 3: all sorts of genres growing up and that's so special
- 3:46Speaker 3: that you were able to write and do songs and
- 3:49Speaker 3: come out and pursue music with your wife and do
- 3:52Speaker 3: music together.
- 3:53Speaker 2: I mean some of my favorite we toured a lot,
- 3:56Speaker 2: and some of my favorite memories of playing music were
- 4:01Speaker 2: the two of us just dragging a giant PA system
- 4:04Speaker 2: around to bars and restaurants and setting up ourselves and
- 4:09Speaker 2: playing all night. For it was not very much money,
- 4:12Speaker 2: but a whole lot of fun. It was a lot
- 4:14Speaker 2: of sweat at the time, but man, we had a
- 4:20Speaker 2: We had a really good time. It's what bonded us
- 4:23Speaker 2: was playing music together, singing together. That's how we met.
- 4:25Speaker 2: We met on a gig.
- 4:27Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's special. So you and your wife, you're
- 4:31Speaker 3: out here, you're playing at bars, doing gigs, you know,
- 4:33Speaker 3: trying to make it a Nashville. What was the turning
- 4:36Speaker 3: point in your career in Nashville? How did you get
- 4:40Speaker 3: into country music and get your first major cut as
- 4:44Speaker 3: a songwriter.
- 4:46Speaker 2: Well, let's see, the first major cut as a songwriter
- 4:51Speaker 2: was an Alan Jackson song, two of them at the
- 4:53Speaker 2: same time. So we, you know, we were writing and
- 4:56Speaker 2: sort of trying to, you know, learn how to do things,
- 4:58Speaker 2: and we had a handful of songs and I took
- 5:02Speaker 2: them to Alan And this was like you know, pre
- 5:07Speaker 2: Napster and all of that stuff, when records were selling.
- 5:11Speaker 2: So if you got a couple of songs on a
- 5:13Speaker 2: record that did well, and a lot of records did well,
- 5:16Speaker 2: like you know, a lot of major artists went gold
- 5:19Speaker 2: a lot, you know, so you could make a pretty
- 5:23Speaker 2: good living with album cuts without hits. And so anyway,
- 5:26Speaker 2: I got a couple of songs to him that he
- 5:28Speaker 2: really liked, one that Shannon, my wife, and I had
- 5:31Speaker 2: written together, and one that I'd written by myself. These
- 5:33Speaker 2: were songs I wrote in Atlanta, I think I can't remember,
- 5:36Speaker 2: but anyway, he liked him, recorded them, put him on
- 5:39Speaker 2: a record by the I mean, you know, we didn't
- 5:41Speaker 2: have publishing deals or anything. We just they were just
- 5:44Speaker 2: our songs. And man, the record did well, as all
- 5:48Speaker 2: his records were doing at the time. You know, we
- 5:50Speaker 2: made enough money to put a down payment on a house.
- 5:54Speaker 2: And I remember telling her. I was like, I thought,
- 5:57Speaker 2: you know, we can do this if we keep getting
- 5:59Speaker 2: better editor at writing songs and keep you know, meeting
- 6:03Speaker 2: more people, like we can make a decent living, you know,
- 6:07Speaker 2: writing songs. It's like almost immediately like naster sort of
- 6:13Speaker 2: gobbled up the publishing business or the record selling business,
- 6:18Speaker 2: I should say, so most of that the way that
- 6:23Speaker 2: that all worked changed like immediately, like overnight, So then
- 6:28Speaker 2: you had to kind of figure out new ways to
- 6:29Speaker 2: do it and sort of stay alive. But it was
- 6:33Speaker 2: an interesting little window that you know, kind of closed
- 6:35Speaker 2: as soon as we jumped jumped through it.
- 6:39Speaker 3: Well, I love that you brought that up because I
- 6:41Speaker 3: think a lot of people don't realize that it's tough
- 6:44Speaker 3: for songwriters to make a living now, just as a
- 6:48Speaker 3: songwriter getting cuts unless it's a hit song. So how
- 6:52Speaker 3: do you navigate that change in the industry when most
- 6:56Speaker 3: of the income is based on streaming royalty that aren't
- 7:01Speaker 3: as much as back in the day with CDs.
- 7:04Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really they're geared towards the ownership of
- 7:08Speaker 2: a master recording, which for people that aren't you know,
- 7:11Speaker 2: music business savvy, like basically means the record company that
- 7:15Speaker 2: owns the record makes money off of streaming, and songwriters,
- 7:18Speaker 2: you know, the publishing money off of that it's almost
- 7:20Speaker 2: non existent. So yeah, all of that did change. And
- 7:26Speaker 2: so what if it's a hit that's different where it
- 7:29Speaker 2: used to be. If it was on an album, you
- 7:31Speaker 2: still made some money. You had a hit, obviously you
- 7:33Speaker 2: made more money, but you could still make a living
- 7:36Speaker 2: off of album cuts, which there were plenty of. You know,
- 7:39Speaker 2: a lot of artists weren't interested in writing back, you know,
- 7:42Speaker 2: back then, unlike now. So I personally offset, you know,
- 7:48Speaker 2: that change by doing studio work. You know, I play
- 7:53Speaker 2: guitar and piano and seeing in the studio quite a bit,
- 7:58Speaker 2: with a lot of it with Frank Lindell, who runs
- 8:00Speaker 2: Carnival Music and I'm signed to you, and he's a
- 8:04Speaker 2: brilliant producer and a great publisher and a pretty good guy.
- 8:09Speaker 2: So I'll work a lot with him in the studio
- 8:10Speaker 2: and that's been a great thing. And I'll play shows
- 8:14Speaker 2: and whatever else you can do to sort of hang
- 8:16Speaker 2: in there if songs are your passion.
- 8:20Speaker 3: Right, you definitely have to wear a lot of hats
- 8:22Speaker 3: in the music industry nowadays. But you know, besides being
- 8:25Speaker 3: a songwriter and studio musician, you're also an artist. And
- 8:29Speaker 3: just released your new folk album Nature of Necessity back
- 8:32Speaker 3: in September. Yeah, And what's interesting when I was reading
- 8:37Speaker 3: about your thoughts on this new album, you said, there's
- 8:40Speaker 3: no story behind the album you quoted, the story is
- 8:45Speaker 3: there's no story. I didn't get sober, there was no breakup.
- 8:50Speaker 3: You know, you're just a lyric junkie with a melody addiction,
- 8:54Speaker 3: and you know, I believe there's a story behind every song.
- 8:58Speaker 3: So there's no story of the album. What made you
- 9:02Speaker 3: put this collection of songs together and put it out
- 9:05Speaker 3: in the world.
- 9:07Speaker 2: A habit probably like it's you know, I'm just I've
- 9:10Speaker 2: always been in the habit of releasing music. From way
- 9:14Speaker 2: before we moved to Nashville. We were making and putting
- 9:16Speaker 2: out records, either solo or as a band, whatever we
- 9:20Speaker 2: were doing. It's just I think if you have that
- 9:23Speaker 2: in you, you just always it's real hard to get out.
- 9:28Speaker 2: If that is something that you feel is important to you,
- 9:32Speaker 2: to make a piece of work and put it out
- 9:34Speaker 2: in the world, that's a hard thing to not do
- 9:37Speaker 2: if you have that inkling. And I've just always had
- 9:39Speaker 2: that inkling as a part of, you know, whatever I'm doing.
- 9:44Speaker 2: And this collection, like all records, to me, I think
- 9:48Speaker 2: they're all born out of the same little swell of
- 9:54Speaker 2: I guess I'll call it inspiration. You know, you sort
- 9:57Speaker 2: of get on a kick with a certain thing, and
- 10:00Speaker 2: there's a new excitement around some You've turned some corner
- 10:03Speaker 2: in your process or journey as a songwriter or artist
- 10:07Speaker 2: or whatever. And when you do that, there's all this
- 10:11Speaker 2: You get new wind in your sales and you know
- 10:13Speaker 2: a lot of new material that way. And so every
- 10:16Speaker 2: album that I've done has always been a collection of
- 10:19Speaker 2: whatever that particular moment was, you know, and then maybe
- 10:23Speaker 2: long moments. It maybe a year that it takes to
- 10:25Speaker 2: get all of that together, but they all hang together
- 10:29Speaker 2: in the same way. They're all kind of born out
- 10:30Speaker 2: of the same new new mindset or experience. So and
- 10:35Speaker 2: these were that, with the exception of a couple, some
- 10:37Speaker 2: of these songs were a lot older than the others,
- 10:42Speaker 2: particularly Dreamer and the Realist and Heaven When I Die
- 10:46Speaker 2: I think predated the writing of a lot of these
- 10:49Speaker 2: other songs, So they were the outliers, I guess, but
- 10:52Speaker 2: they fit together with all of.
- 10:54Speaker 3: This they do. Yeah, it's I think it's beautifully pieced together.
- 10:58Speaker 3: Dreamer and the Realist is one of my favorites. And
- 11:01Speaker 3: I think you did such a great job, which is
- 11:03Speaker 3: the detail of all of the songs, and listening through
- 11:07Speaker 3: the album was Bob Dylan ever a lyrical influence of yours.
- 11:12Speaker 2: That's funny. Nobody's ever asked that. And I think I
- 11:16Speaker 2: have like a complicated relationship with Bob Dylan's catalog, and
- 11:22Speaker 2: maybe most people do. I don't know. I don't talk
- 11:25Speaker 2: about it much, I guess, but man, I think some
- 11:27Speaker 2: of his work is very good and important, and I
- 11:30Speaker 2: think some of it is not very good. And I
- 11:35Speaker 2: almost think that's a hot take, I guess for a songwriter.
- 11:39Speaker 2: But I also think his figure looms so large over
- 11:47Speaker 2: the craft of songwriting it's hard to accurately assess the
- 11:54Speaker 2: quality of a lot of his work, in the same
- 11:57Speaker 2: way that I think Picasso is that way in the
- 12:00Speaker 2: art work. He looms so large, he's so iconic, he's
- 12:05Speaker 2: synonymous with being a painter, the way that Bob Dylan
- 12:10Speaker 2: is synonymous with being a songwriter. So it's very hard
- 12:13Speaker 2: to accurately assess the quality of it because he's synonymous
- 12:17Speaker 2: with it. But so I try to. I don't know.
- 12:21Speaker 2: I have a weird relationship that Now, some of my
- 12:23Speaker 2: favorite songwriters are just absolute devotees of Bob Dylan, like
- 12:29Speaker 2: Mark Knopfler, to me, is like the greatest living songwriter
- 12:34Speaker 2: in my opinion, and he's an absolute worshiper of Bob
- 12:37Speaker 2: Dylan's writing. But I think markin Knopffler's writing. I hold
- 12:41Speaker 2: Mark Knopfler's writing in higher esteem personally. Yeah, he does
- 12:45Speaker 2: something for me that.
- 12:46Speaker 1: Bob Dylan does not.
- 12:48Speaker 3: Okay, And you talk about painting, and you're also a painter.
- 12:52Speaker 3: I saw some of your work on social media. It's
- 12:55Speaker 3: really beautiful. And you have a thing shockboard wall behind
- 12:59Speaker 3: you all sort drawing too.
- 13:01Speaker 2: So that something making messes. I make noise and messes,
- 13:05Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know.
- 13:07Speaker 3: Yeah, So you just love painting and your free time
- 13:09Speaker 3: when you're not making music.
- 13:12Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't know if I love it.
- 13:15Speaker 2: I do it, and like it's it's as frustrating as
- 13:20Speaker 2: like writing songs is kind of frustrating to me, and
- 13:23Speaker 2: painting is very frustrating because I'm you know, I have
- 13:27Speaker 2: I mean, I've been making some sort of visual art
- 13:30Speaker 2: since I was a child, but I'm still not very
- 13:32Speaker 2: good at it. Like it's still very it's still a
- 13:34Speaker 2: really frustrating thing for me to do. My wife will say,
- 13:37Speaker 2: why don't you go relax and pain? And those two
- 13:41Speaker 2: things are not compatible relaxing like it's a it's a
- 13:45Speaker 2: it's just a different, a different frustration to pick up
- 13:48Speaker 2: when that's not a guitar and some words I guess,
- 13:51Speaker 2: but but I appreciate your kind words about it. It
- 13:53Speaker 2: is something that I enjoy the frustration of it, I guess.
- 13:58Speaker 3: I don't know what's wrong with me, but you've definitely
- 14:02Speaker 3: have many creative talents. I want to go back to
- 14:05Speaker 3: your new album. When I first listened to it and
- 14:10Speaker 3: Her Yellow Bird, I was really enthralled by the female
- 14:14Speaker 3: voices I kept hearing on the album. Who were your
- 14:16Speaker 3: background vocalists for the album?
- 14:20Speaker 2: Well, thank you. One of them is Shannon, my wife,
- 14:24Speaker 2: and the other is Anna Laddel, who mixed the record actually,
- 14:29Speaker 2: so she was our mixing engineer and recorded like all
- 14:32Speaker 2: of the overdubs that we did post tracking. The the
- 14:36Speaker 2: two of them together, man, they's just what they sing
- 14:39Speaker 2: to me is so unpredictable and the texture of their
- 14:44Speaker 2: voices is unique. And that was sort of We recorded
- 14:49Speaker 2: this album with the idea that it would be live
- 14:53Speaker 2: three piece, myself playing and seeing live and Glenn Warf
- 14:57Speaker 2: and Matt Chamberlain basing drums.
- 14:59Speaker 3: That was it.
- 15:00Speaker 2: That's all that that was the whole album, that's what
- 15:02Speaker 2: it was going to be. So we tracked the album
- 15:04Speaker 2: that way. You know, there's some problems in that, like
- 15:07Speaker 2: things don't things don't happen that you're so used to
- 15:10Speaker 2: hearing happen. And I kind of liked the wonkiness of it,
- 15:13Speaker 2: the fact that it did not satisfy you in the
- 15:17Speaker 2: ways that you're used to being satisfied by production, you know,
- 15:22Speaker 2: I was. I was kind of and Frank was excited
- 15:24Speaker 2: about it too, but we both love, you know, harmony
- 15:29Speaker 2: so much. And once we got Shannon and Anna to
- 15:31Speaker 2: sing on like one song, which I don't know what
- 15:34Speaker 2: that was, it might have been Yellow Bird. That was
- 15:35Speaker 2: pretty early on in the mixing process. Once that happened,
- 15:39Speaker 2: it just opened the can of worms and then we started,
- 15:42Speaker 2: you know, overdubbing all kinds of things. But we still
- 15:46Speaker 2: kept the bones of it, which is my playing and
- 15:49Speaker 2: singing in Glenn's bass and Matt drums. We kept all
- 15:53Speaker 2: that live just to bother ourselves, I guess. I don't know,
- 15:56Speaker 2: there's so many imperfections in it that I've come to
- 16:00Speaker 2: find charming in a way. But but yeah, their voices
- 16:04Speaker 2: kind of started the whole we're overdubbing on this. Yeah.
- 16:07Speaker 3: Their voices are so beautiful on the album. And you
- 16:10Speaker 3: also feature Leanne Wilmack and Patty Griffin on a couple
- 16:13Speaker 3: of songs on your album.
- 16:15Speaker 2: I love both of them so much, and they were
- 16:18Speaker 2: so nice. There's been so good to me over the years,
- 16:21Speaker 2: and uh, it was great to have them be a
- 16:23Speaker 2: part of this and talk about two really unmistakable voices.
- 16:27Speaker 2: I mean, like you know each of them when you
- 16:30Speaker 2: hear you know, just a few notes out of there,
- 16:34Speaker 2: out of their voice.
- 16:36Speaker 3: Yeah. And where in Nashville did you record this album.
- 16:41Speaker 2: It's East Irish. It used to be the House of
- 16:43Speaker 2: Blues and uh, you know you're low Coal, Yeah I am. Yeah, Yeah,
- 16:50Speaker 2: I don't know. They might have changed the name from
- 16:52Speaker 2: then even I can't remember, but but yeah, that's where
- 16:56Speaker 2: we recorded. They call it the Sun Room, Uh, kind
- 17:00Speaker 2: of modeled after Sun Records. But it's the only time
- 17:04Speaker 2: I've ever worked with it.
- 17:05Speaker 3: Oh, it's the only time you've worked there. Okay, I
- 17:07Speaker 3: was gonna ask if you recorded your previous albums there.
- 17:10Speaker 2: No, that's the only time I've ever been there. I've
- 17:13Speaker 2: been in a lot of studios in Nashville. But and
- 17:18Speaker 2: I've worked in I think I've worked in that room before,
- 17:22Speaker 2: but not on anything for me. I was, you know,
- 17:25Speaker 2: playing on something for someone else. But it's cool studio.
- 17:28Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a great studio. And your new
- 17:30Speaker 3: album it's so beautiful. So what's next for you now
- 17:34Speaker 3: that you have this new album out? Are you playing
- 17:36Speaker 3: any shows as an artist?
- 17:39Speaker 2: I am, yeah, and probably not as many as my
- 17:43Speaker 2: wife and Frank would like, but I'm playing as many
- 17:48Speaker 2: as I can. I say yes to a lot of things. Yeah,
- 17:52Speaker 2: I'm actually going to North Carolina to more On to
- 17:54Speaker 2: play a show. So yeah, I'm playing as much as
- 17:56Speaker 2: my life and bones will tolerate.
- 18:01Speaker 3: And can people find your website to see where your
- 18:05Speaker 3: upcoming shows are.
- 18:06Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all on adamwrightsongs dot com. And you know,
- 18:12Speaker 2: I try to be pretty good about posting what's coming
- 18:16Speaker 2: up on social media. Step.
- 18:19Speaker 3: So we're on taking a walk in Nashville. So I
- 18:21Speaker 3: always like to ask guests this question. Do you have
- 18:25Speaker 3: a favorite place that you like to take a walk
- 18:27Speaker 3: in Nashville.
- 18:29Speaker 2: Let's see in Nashville. See, I live just outside in
- 18:32Speaker 2: Nashville and I walk a lot, so I usually walk
- 18:37Speaker 2: around there, just kind of near my house. But we
- 18:41Speaker 2: used to go to Percy Warner. That's my favorite a
- 18:44Speaker 2: lot when we lived on that side of town. That's
- 18:46Speaker 2: a good walk, and I'll tell you what, you can
- 18:50Speaker 2: get a little turned around over there. Sometimes there's a you.
- 18:53Speaker 3: Can I always rely on my husband because he's run
- 18:56Speaker 3: those paths so many times.
- 18:58Speaker 2: You get lost. I took a bike up there one
- 19:01Speaker 2: time when we lived over there years ago, and I
- 19:06Speaker 2: genuinely got lost. I did not know where it was
- 19:09Speaker 2: and I had been biking for hours at that point.
- 19:11Speaker 3: Oh.
- 19:11Speaker 2: I remember I had to call my wife and say,
- 19:13Speaker 2: you have to come pick me up, like my legs
- 19:16Speaker 2: are jello and it's getting dark. Yeah, yeah, that was
- 19:22Speaker 2: I guess that was probably my favorite. I like walking
- 19:24Speaker 2: around Music Row during the daytime. You know, my office
- 19:27Speaker 2: is on Music Grows, so sometimes if I have a
- 19:29Speaker 2: few minutes, I'll just walk around here and remember.
- 19:33Speaker 3: All of the little buildings that were I know a
- 19:37Speaker 3: lot of condos on Music Row.
- 19:39Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, condo city. They see.
- 19:43Speaker 3: Well, Adam, thank you so much for being on taking
- 19:45Speaker 3: a walk Nashville today. Everyone, I should go check out
- 19:49Speaker 3: your new album, Nature of Necessity. And find your website
- 19:54Speaker 3: for your upcoming shows. Thank you for being on today.
- 19:57Speaker 2: Thanks Sarah, I appreciate it.
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