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120: Oksana Hansen - From Corporate To Quantum Wellness: Creating The Life You Want To Live · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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Meredith Oke: All right. Oksana Hansen. Super excited to have
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you on. You were just saying that you were, like,
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I was saying, an OG Applied Quantum Biology
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certified practitioner. You're like, I was an
5:18
early adopter. Came in back when we. Right around
5:23
when we first launched in 2022.
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Oksana Hanson: Yeah. It's been quite the journey. Thanks so much
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for having me on today.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, it's my total pleasure. I'm really looking
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forward to hearing your story and hearing how you
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landed in a certification for Applied Quantum
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Biology when you started out in sales and tech as
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an executive in San Francisco. That's quite the
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trajectory. I love it. Yeah. So tell us your
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story, because, you know, it's. You've made a lot
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of leaps, and I think it's really helpful for
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people to hear how. How those leaps happened and
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what could be possible for them and be able to
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relate. So you were an executive in the San
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Francisco Bay area. You were married. Did you
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have children at the time?
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Oksana Hanson: So is it okay if we start a little bit earlier
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than that?
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Meredith Oke: Because.
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Oksana Hanson: Yeah. Is that okay, Please?
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Meredith Oke: Absolutely. Take us where we need to go to get
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the full, full trajectory.
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Oksana Hanson: So I was born and raised in Russia, and my family
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immigrated to the United states in late 1991. And
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it was because my mother had a very rare form of
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cancer called osteosarcoma, and it was in her
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jaw. It had moved up to her brain. And so from,
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like, the age of seven on, my life was filled
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with doctors, visits, hospitals, surgeries. Like,
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it was like this life kind of began without me
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even knowing it. And, of course, because my
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mother was only 30 years old at the time, like, I
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just assumed, and I thought that's what happens.
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Like, people in my family, they get cancer, they
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die early. My mom's mom had died at 50. So, like,
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I just set out on this course thinking, like, I'm
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not going to have a long life. Like, I might as
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well enjoy it because, you know, did there was.
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Meredith Oke: Did your mother survive or. No.
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Oksana Hanson: She did. Yeah. So it was one of the craziest
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cancer, like, surgeries that they did. They still
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have, like, all over her files. Do not delete any
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of this. Like, it's insane. But they basically
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ended up removing the entire right side of her
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face. So, yeah, so they, like, peeled off the
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skin and dug everything out. All the tissue, all
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the bone, her eye, like, her palette. Like, I
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mean, everything from the brain down, she ended
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up having. Honestly, I've lost count at this
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point. It's probably in the upwards of, like, 30
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different surgeries. She's still alive today.
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It's a miraculous, miraculous story. But really,
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like, it's funny because my journey kind of
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started with that initiation, like as a very,
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very small child.
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Meredith Oke: Yeah.
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Oksana Hanson: Being thrown into the, this world of sickness,
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doctor care, surgeries and all these other things
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which I'm so grateful for. Right. Like we talk
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about like in the alternative world, like those
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are the situations where like you want that kind
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of standard of care. But since then, and this was
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like 30 plus odd years ago, you know, her health
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has taken a big degradation. And so as being her
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healthcare advocate and going through my own
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journey, which I'll share in a second, like I've
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learned, like we need people to advoc for like
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our own healthcare journeys and also be there for
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other people's like in their healthcare journey
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to advocate for them as well. And when I say
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healthcare, I just mean health, not the actual,
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you know. You know what I mean? Yes, yes.
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Meredith Oke: You need someone on the inside with paying
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attention.
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Oksana Hanson: Yes.
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Meredith Oke: Asking every step of the way, is this the best
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thing to do? Is this in the best interest of my
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mother or my. Whoever it is? Yeah, absolutely. So
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that is something that I've seen happen. You
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probably did too, you know, in your experience.
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Yeah. You where you end up with multiple
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specialists and multiple doctors and everyone's
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got a different drug or a different intervention.
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And it's like who's thinking about the person,
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not just the patient.
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Oksana Hanson: And the way like I like to describe my experience
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with my mom is there was a bunch of silos. So
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there she had like oncology, she had the
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radiation, she had, you know, the surgeons, she
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had the ear, nose, throat doctor, she had the
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brain tumor doctor, she had this doc. Right.
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Like, so there's so many people, but it was like
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there was no one person looking at the whole
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picture. So like you'd get prescribed a
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medication that was having this other side
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effect. Well then this other specialist is trying
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to deal with the side effect and then they're
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issued another specialist to deal with that side
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effect. And like it was just such a cluster of
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information, pills, surgeries, half of which I
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think were unnecessary really. But that's not
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what we're talking about here. But anyhow, so I
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kind of went on with my life when I moved out of
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the house, married my husband, moved to the San
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Francisco Bay area, was working for tech
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startups, like Loving Life, like going out
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entertaining clients, like living it up. And like
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from the outside perspective, like everybody
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thought that I had this like perfect life. And my
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husband and I decided that we would Wanted to
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raise a family and have children. Well, it took
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me about two and a half years to conceive. And so
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that was really, like, my first sign that I was
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like, huh, okay, maybe this lifestyle is, like,
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the late nights. You know, I was working 24 by 7.
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It was one of these, like, in. In this industry
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where you needed to respond within, like, two
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minutes of somebody sending you an email. It's
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high stress. I was in sales, so, of course you're
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being held to quotas. And, you know, it was just
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that crazy kind of lifestyle. But because we
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didn't have children, we kind of got accustomed
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to that, and, like, we thought it was our norm,
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right? And so I was finally able to conceive, and
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we had our kids back to back. Because I always
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think, like, oh, once the body knows what it's
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doing and you're healthy enough, like, you talk
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about getting pregnant and you're pregnant again.
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So, yeah, our kids. Our kids are very close
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together, which is so amazing. And we decided
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that somehow, like, it felt like the Bay Area was
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no longer. It had lost its luster. After we had
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kids, we thought, why are we raising our kids
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here? And one of the biggest reasons we moved
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across country to Nashville, Tennessee, was
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because we thought, okay, we're raising our
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children in an area where one, they're going to
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have to be, you know, in sales and investment
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banker or, you know, one of, like, only a handful
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of things, like, you know, an entrepreneur with a
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startup or something to get funding. Like, there
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was only a handful of things that they could do
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outside of, like, marrying into a relationship
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that was financially, like, supportive for them
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or, like, we would have to support them for the
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rest of their lives. And we wanted to, like, it
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was really important for us.
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Meredith Oke: Is it so expensive out there? Is that what you're
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saying? Like, it's just so impossible.
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Oksana Hanson: Yeah, it's impossible to live unless you're. I
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mean, my husband had guys working for him that
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were, like, six to eight people to an apartment.
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These guys were making, like, several hundred
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thousand dollars a year, right? So, like, we
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didn't want to put our kids in that type of
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position where they had to stay in a situation
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that wasn't, like, natural to them and kind of
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give them the world of opportunity. So I think
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the biggest decision that we made was moving
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across country, but the decision I didn't make at
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that point that I should have was to get out of
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technology sales. And I did it because it was
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great money. I was really good at it. Moving to
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Nashville, especially, like, it was just easy for
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me to make that transition. And so we knew we
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wanted like a slower lifestyle. We wanted to
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raise our kids in a place that felt more aligned
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with us. But we didn't make a change when it came
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to what we were doing for a living. And that's
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when I got diagnosed with my child.
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Meredith Oke: I will say that's a tough call. You know, if
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you're supporting your family, it does. It's not
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top of mind to change jobs and. But you were, you
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had noticed. So starting with your. You had
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difficulty conceiving and then you were you
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having other health symptoms? That's as well.
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Oksana Hanson: Well, and I think what's interesting is we know
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the choice to move. Yeah, yeah. It was, you know,
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like there was definitely like weight gain,
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insomnia, there was like adrenal fatigue, there
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was all these other factors. But everyone just
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said, like, you're a first time mom or like you
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have a newborn at home or you're breastfeeding,
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like if you're up every two hours, of course
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you're tired. Of course. And somehow all these
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things, like in my mind became normal. Like it
14:43
was normal to gain weight. It was normal to just
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be a walking zombie living off of coffee. It was
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normal to have a glass of wine at night to relax
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because that's what everybody does. Right. Like,
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and it kind of gets you into these habits of
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like, you think that's what everybody else is
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doing and it gets very normalized.
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Meredith Oke: Yeah, I think that's a, that's a big one. Is. And
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you know, I had a similar experience. We, we have
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kind of forgotten as a culture what it's like to
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feel really good and that it's okay to feel
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really good. And we've like layered on all of
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these different assaults on our biology. So of
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course we don't feel good, but nobody really
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does. So like, what's the big deal? It's. Yeah.
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And then, and then in order to feel good, that
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there are choices that need to be made. So. Okay,
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so keep going. So you. Okay, so you had some
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awareness that your health wasn't great, but it
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was like, oh, well, no, it's fine. Like I'm busy,
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I'm a mom. It's like I'm supposed to feel tired
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and zombie like all the time, which is what they
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tell us. And then 30 years later they tell us
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we're supposed to feel like that because we're
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not moms anymore, we're getting older. Like, it's
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like, okay, we're still moms, but we're not. You
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know, it's like every stage of life, it's. There
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seems to be a reason why we're supposed to feel
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gross and terrible and crappy. I reject it.
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Oksana Hanson: I say, not in my world.
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Meredith Oke: Not in our world. Okay, so you get to Nashville,
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which is an improvement in many ways, but you're
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still not feeling great, and you're still in high
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stress drop.
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Oksana Hanson: Yeah. And I think, okay, this is the year that
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I'm 35 years old. I'm going to take control of my
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health. I have no excuses. My kids are like,
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three and four at this age. Like, okay, no more
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mom bod. Like, I'm gonna start walking every day.
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Like, I don't know why I chose walking. Don't
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know why I didn't go to the gym. Don't know why I
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didn't do a million, like, take Pilates class. I
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don't know. Like, I was just like, I'm gonna
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start walking every day. So I put my headphones
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in, slathered on that sunblock, and went outside
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for my.
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Meredith Oke: Because you're in Tennessee. You got to be spfed
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to the max every time you leave the house.
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Oksana Hanson: To the max. Yep.
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Meredith Oke: Okay.
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Oksana Hanson: And I start noticing a growth on my leg. And, you
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know, I was one of these people where I saw a
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dermatologist twice a year, was very religious
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about it, did everything that the dermatologists
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told me to do. I had a big spot removed, like,
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this size, big, black, brown spot on my back when
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I was 12 years old. And so I'd been under a care
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of a dermatologist because of my mom's history
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with cancer. We were kind of amplified in our
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approach when it came to our, you know, health.
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And so I was like, man, I don't know what that
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growth is, but I need to go find a dermatologist
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that's local. And I go get a checkup. She's like,
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you're fine. We'll take a biopsy. And then you
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get that dreaded call that's like, you need to
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come in tomorrow at 7am to see the doctor. And I
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was like, well, we know that that's not good news
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when they're having you come in, like, first
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thing in the morning. And so my husband and I
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went in, and that's when I got told that I was
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diagnosed with melanoma. And from the second that
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they said that, Meredith, like, I was like, this
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doesn't make sense. I've been under the care of a
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dermatologist seen twice a year, every year since
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I was 12. I'm 35 years old. How did I get
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diagnosed with melanoma? And to me, like, and
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doing everything.
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Meredith Oke: That they said, everything. All their
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instructions.
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Oksana Hanson: And I'd made such improvements, like, in my
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health and my weight. And I was walking every
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day. I was spending time outside, and I was like,
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this doesn't make sense. I thought this was a
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disease, you know, And I'm sorry if this is
18:57
offensive, but, like, old white men got, like. I
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thought that they got it on their face. And,
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like, I didn't know anything else about skin
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cancer at that point. And so without being, like,
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rushed to fear, I was like, I'm going on vacation
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with my family in a couple weeks. Like, let's
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talk about the treatment options. But I'm
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definitely not going to start anything until I'm
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back from this vacation 30 days from now. And I
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think they were shocked, like, that I wasn't
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gonna, like, rush into making any, like,
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treatment decisions right away. And this is when
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I felt, like, most empowered out of, like, any
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time I ever have in my life, because this will to
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live for my children was greater than any
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diagnosis that I could get. And I started doing
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my own research, and I go to pubmed for the first
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time in my life, and I found a study that said,
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in melanoma, in particular, because of its
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irregular borders, you should be cutting around
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10 millimeters around the cancer. And I went to
20:06
my surgeon, and I said to her, can we have a
20:08
conversation about this? How much are you
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planning to cut off? And she said, between 4 to 5
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millimeters. And I said, here, can you please
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read this study? And, like, I'm a married woman.
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I don't care what it looks like. I have young
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babies. Like, I need you to cut more than you
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think is even necessary. Like, I want you. Like,
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if we're going to do this, like, let's make sure
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we get all of the cancer. And so I ended up just
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having the surgery, no other treatment done,
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because I was like, okay, this is how we're going
20:38
to handle this situation. I went into the
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solution mode, like, at that point to survive.
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And again, this was, like, very much I'm still in
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that conventional mindset. Like, hadn't really
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had, like, my awakening to everything that is
20:54
going on and somehow still was very clear and in
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my approach to how I wanted to do this treatment,
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because I'd seen my mom go through chemo. I'd
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seen my mom go through radiation. I wasn't going
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to put myself or my family through that. It was
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awful. Like, I Didn't want to repeat that
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generational cycle of putting my children through
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that kind of trauma. And thankfully, I came
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across Quantum Biology Collective. So. So I was
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having my follow up visits, and at that point, I
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think it's either monthly, every other month,
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like it was very often for the first two years.
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And she kept saying to me, like, you need wear
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sunblock. You need to cover up, you need to not
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go outside. And I was like, this doesn't make
21:44
sense. And if you remember, probably like a year
21:48
after that diagnosis that I had, they recalled
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Oxybenzone sunblock off the market for causing
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cancer. And so I went under my cabinet and I
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pulled out this, what I thought was organic
22:05
Australian sunblock. And the first ingredient was
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Oxybenzone. And I thought to myself, I was making
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this healthy change of moving to Nashville,
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walking for three miles a day outside, but I was
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slathering on this toxic stuff, which I think,
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you know, along with lifestyle things and, you
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know, seed oils and other things that we now know
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can, you know, are correlated with the skin
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cancer. But I was slathering on sunblock every
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single day. And I truly think that was one of the
22:41
major contributing factors. Wow.
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Meredith Oke: That is so interesting because you started the
22:50
walking practice. Walking is outside. You are a
22:53
diligent patient of lifelong dermatology and
22:59
doing everything you can to prevent cancer. So
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you started using this sunscreen every day, and
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then you ended up with that diagnosis. Wow, okay.
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Oksana Hanson: And thankfully, it was in a location where I
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personally saw it. Right. Like, one of the
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biggest things with, like, melanoma is, you know,
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men get it on their back, you know, like, or in
23:28
their private areas. Which, again, like, I. I
23:31
look at those things and I'm like, that doesn't
23:33
make sense. Like, why would someone get skin
23:36
cancer in a place that doesn't see the sun?
23:38
Right? Like, breast cancer is one of the most
23:40
prevalent, like, CANC answers we have today.
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Like, I just wonder. I'm like, that's
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interesting, right? So as I came across the
23:50
Quantum Biology Collective and your message, it
23:56
was the first time in my entire life that I was
23:59
like, wow, the sun gives life to everything on
24:04
Earth. Of course we don't need to be scared of
24:07
the sun. Like, it was the first time that I heard
24:10
something that actually made sense to me. I'm
24:13
like, okay, I don't know anything about quantum
24:17
biology health. Like, I didn't have a science
24:20
background. Like, my degree was in philosophy. So
24:23
all I knew was really like, how to question any
24:26
argument and use logic. And to me, like, this
24:29
Came, it came so easily because of, I think my
24:33
background with my mom's cancer, being around
24:36
surgeries, being around doctors, asking all the
24:38
questions, being around that industry for so
24:42
long, it felt like everything that like I had
24:46
experienced led up to this. Like, now I know what
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my purpose is in life, and that is to teach
24:52
people the actual healing ways of this planet.
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Because had I had not, hadn't had those
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experiences and maybe get diagnosed with cancer
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at 35 and just have the surgery and have it
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removed and move on with my life, I wouldn't be
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where I am today.
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Meredith Oke: Wow, that's amazing. And I like, I love that you
25:16
heard, you heard the message and I love that
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philosophy is very practical. You were trained to
25:26
seek truth, to under recognize it, and to ask
25:29
questions about, of things that don't make sense.
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And you are in the perfect position. That's
25:36
amazing. So did you quit your job?
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Oksana Hanson: Yes. So at the end of, because that.
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Meredith Oke: Is a big deal. And I, you know, I, I, I don't
25:53
like, you know, just saying, like, ah, you got to
25:55
move to the equator. Ah, you got to quit your
25:56
job. Like, these are big important life changes.
25:58
So if you did quit your job, that is a huge
26:02
decision I'd love to dig into a little because.
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Oksana Hanson: Yeah, so within, within six months, I was no
26:08
longer employed at that firm. And, and then I had
26:13
some time to, really had about a year to figure
26:16
out what I wanted to do with my life. And that
26:20
was when Covid hit. And so, you know, the whole
26:25
universe kind of changed. And I think now that I
26:30
was like, empowered of like, questioning
26:33
everything. I was like, oh, I don't have to
26:36
think, take things at face value. I can do my own
26:40
research. I may not have a ton of experience in
26:43
this stuff, but I can read, you know, studies and
26:47
information and decipher and really like, trust
26:51
that intuition. Like, I guess that's the one
26:53
thing that we haven't really touched on is
26:56
there's a lot of like, trusting yourself and the
26:59
guidance that you're getting from God, the
27:02
universe, whatever you want to call it, that I
27:06
had drowned that voice for a long time and now it
27:11
was amplified. It was like, you're empowered.
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Just take the time to like, slow down and listen.
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And all of a sudden I was getting like, very,
27:20
very, very clear messages unlike anything that
27:23
I've ever done before. And also had the strength
27:26
to back up my stance on those, on those messages
27:31
and the preferences. I was like, I'm no longer
27:33
saying yes just to be a people pleaser or for it
27:36
to be convenient. Like, I need to protect my
27:39
energy, my family's energy, and. And things just
27:43
kind of started falling into place. Some most
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powerful word in the English language is no.
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Meredith Oke: I love it. It's so true. And it's. It's hard. You
27:59
don't realize how many little tentacles and
28:02
threads of energy, connective tissue that we feel
28:07
responsible for. And we feel like that no might.
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I'm trying to articulate my experience when I say
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no. Yeah. And it's feels like I'm going to sever
28:19
them all, and then I'll be, you know, everyone's
28:23
going to be harmed or something. And. Yeah. I
28:26
just had a situation where I had to make a choice
28:27
about something, and I ended up saying no. And it
28:30
was like. Like, oh. I mean, when it came time to
28:36
do it, it was easy, but, like, getting to.
28:38
Getting to the decision was it's a process. And I
28:42
appreciate you bringing that up because sometimes
28:45
we tell our stories and we're like, oh, then I
28:46
did this and then I did that, and it's like,
28:48
yeah, but cultivating the internal fortitude and
28:53
intuition to come to those decisions is no small
28:56
thing.
28:59
Oksana Hanson: Well, and I. I think, because I am very logical
29:02
and practical, too. So it's like, I love to
29:04
philosophize, but I love to like, okay, how could
29:07
we make this into a. Something you can actually
29:10
implement? So what we did in our family is we put
29:13
up a whiteboard and we said, what are our family
29:16
ethics and values? And for two weeks, we left
29:20
this whiteboard up. And anytime you thought of a
29:23
value that was important to you, you would go and
29:26
write it up on this board. And after the two
29:30
weeks was done, the four of us had written a lot
29:32
of different things, but what I noticed was a lot
29:35
of similar themes. And how old were children?
29:39
Meredith Oke: But just curious, when you did this exercise.
29:43
Oksana Hanson: Maybe seven and eight. Okay. So I love it. Yeah.
29:47
Meredith Oke: So you're all in there. People, they would just
29:49
have an idea, they walk by, they'd write up, you
29:52
jot it up.
29:53
Oksana Hanson: Like adventure, fun. Right. Friends, love. Right.
29:59
All the different things. We had so many things,
30:01
but I noticed certain themes. And so what I did
30:05
was I narrowed down all the things that were
30:07
written on this whiteboard to five key
30:10
principles. And I had an artist make a custom
30:14
artwork for me, and we hang it up right outside
30:18
of our garage door. So we look at it every time
30:21
we exit and enter our house, and this is our way
30:25
that we make decisions. If it does not meet three
30:29
out of the five core values for the Hansen,
30:32
Family values. The answer is an automatic no.
30:36
Meredith Oke: Oh, my gosh, that's so good. And I love that
30:41
because I do feel a little bit of your corporate
30:43
background coming into play. Right. Like, this
30:45
is, like, totally, like, a strategic planning
30:48
exercise. I've been there. Yes, but why not apply
30:52
it to the family? That's brilliant.
30:55
Oksana Hanson: Right? Everybody's needs and values get heard
30:59
like they're overlapping themes. We all agree on
31:02
that. It doesn't mean can't get revisited. Maybe
31:05
we revisit it now, but, like, you know, ours is
31:08
like, health, community, love, safety. Right. And
31:13
adventure. And if, like, those are the things
31:16
that are valuable to us right now. And there.
31:18
It's really easy when you apply this principle to
31:21
say yes or no to things, because at the end of
31:23
the day, it's not personal. But if I don't feel,
31:25
like, safe or if I don't feel, like loved or in
31:27
community, like, it's going to be a no. And
31:30
that's because it's not aligning with my core
31:32
value. And so you can kind of take, like, that
31:36
spiritual aspect and apply it, like, practically
31:39
to your everyday life.
31:41
Meredith Oke: Absolutely. I love this. This is. I'm. This,
31:45
like, yeah, I'm the same way. I'm like, okay, but
31:47
what is, like, what does this mean in. In the
31:49
real terms? And these. Yeah. Sort of ethereal,
31:54
like, oh, my intuition and this and that. No, it
31:56
can be extremely practical, and I. I like to
31:59
coach people about that with their too. And it's
32:02
like, this is your business. So if it doesn't
32:04
align, like, if you. If. If you get nauseous
32:07
going on social media, then let's build a
32:09
strategy where you don't need to do that. Right.
32:11
Like, it's. You're allowed to craft the
32:15
experience that you want to have in this world,
32:17
and that is living in alignment with who you are
32:20
and your. What you want. And that's. And which is
32:24
an extremely practical way forward. Love it. What
32:30
a beautiful thing to do for your family and. And
32:33
to show your children how to do that. I love that.
32:36
Oksana Hanson: Thank you. Well, I think it's just showing up and
32:39
telling them it's okay to say no. It's okay to
32:42
question things. Like, I want to raise
32:45
independent thinkers. I want them to learn how to
32:48
think, not to memorize things, which is why I
32:51
homeschool my children. And, you know, you come
32:55
across my kids, they can look you in the eye,
32:57
they can have a conversation with you. Like,
33:00
they're, you know, they're wild and free. They,
33:03
like, we have a couple Acres at our lake house.
33:05
And they're like, climbing the trees in the
33:07
forest, building forts and doing all these
33:09
things. Like, they're the happiest kids. Like, I,
33:12
I look at that. And I was like, my whole journey
33:15
was worth it just so my children can be children
33:19
and have this amazing childhood that maybe I
33:24
didn't get to experience, but I get to, like,
33:26
live vicariously through them. Like seeing how
33:28
carefree and happy and wild they are. Yeah.
33:32
Meredith Oke: Oh, that's amazing. I know. There's nothing,
33:36
nothing brings joy like watching children be
33:41
children, especially outside. Right. Like, it's,
33:45
there's just. I don't know. It is truly one of
33:49
the most joyful experiences, experiences a person
33:51
can have. I think watching children, like, run
33:55
around and climb trees and jump in the water and
33:58
just enjoy, Enjoy their childhood. And I love
34:03
too, because you know what I'm also hearing? It's
34:07
like, I think sometimes we feel afraid to change
34:11
tracks in life or we are changing tracks and we
34:14
feel like, I don't know anything about this new.
34:17
You know, I'm doing this instead of that. And so
34:20
I'm starting from zero. And what I hear that you
34:23
did that I really like to remind people is that
34:25
there are always transferable skills and
34:29
experiences. Right. And I'm hearing you, like,
34:32
take some really great stuff from your years in
34:35
corporate life. And like, I, for me, it's like
34:38
God or our higher power will, like, take whatever
34:40
you have to offer and make it relevant and useful
34:46
in this, in this, in the new path. And I notice
34:51
you doing that. I love it.
34:53
Oksana Hanson: Well, I think, I think if I were to hear what you
34:56
said is like, you can always reinvent yourself.
34:59
It's never too late. Right? Like, so our path
35:04
isn't predetermined. Like, you have free will.
35:07
And so I think the biggest thing that most people
35:12
have a fear about, and I had this fear too, until
35:15
a few years ago, is the fear of being really
35:18
seen. And.
35:20
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
35:22
Oksana Hanson: And I. And I think, well, why is that? Well, am I
35:27
living authentically? Am I living my life
35:29
honestly? Right? Am I living my life with
35:34
integrity? Meaning, like, how I feel on the
35:37
inside. I'm living outwardly. Right? Like, so
35:39
being a people pleaser like that to me is the
35:41
definition of maybe not living with integrity.
35:44
Right? You're making yourself small. I played
35:48
small for a really long time because I didn't
35:51
want to make other people feel uncomfortable.
35:54
Like, that wasn't me living with integrity. And
35:57
once I kind of flipped that switch of that fear
36:00
of being seen, I was like, I deserve to be loved.
36:06
Every single person in this universe deserves to
36:09
be loved. But I deserve to be loved for who I am,
36:12
not who I'm pretending to be. So as a people
36:15
pleaser, like, that wasn't the true and honest
36:18
and authentic me. And so if I deserve love, true
36:23
love, I have to show who I am. And with that
36:29
really came a lot of strength to make some of
36:32
these decisions in life. Of like, okay, if this
36:35
is in alignment with me, I have to live with
36:37
integrity. I have to say no.
36:41
Meredith Oke: Yes. And then when we, I think that opens up us
36:47
up to being able to receive that love and to be
36:51
seen, because we know, oh, they're loving the
36:53
real deal. They're not loving a version that I'm
36:56
pretending to be to not make anyone mad or
36:59
something. And so this, this inner growth, this
37:09
spiritual growth came from and really an
37:14
exploration into your physical health because
37:17
it's all, it's all connected, right? Like, you
37:23
didn't start out to have a spiritual awakening.
37:25
You started out to make sure that you didn't get
37:28
sick and that you didn't, you know, that you
37:31
dealt with your cancer.
37:33
Oksana Hanson: Well, I started following like, alternative
37:35
health communities. And this was like all during
37:38
COVID right? Like, and so this is several months
37:41
after, like, Covid, I would say the summer right
37:43
after Covid. And I was like, oh, cold, plunging.
37:47
Oh, that's interesting. Oh, there's these people
37:49
that are doing fasting. Okay, that's interesting.
37:53
So I came across this like, spiritual community
37:55
and they were like, come to this retreat. And I
37:58
was like, okay, like, I'll go. And I show up and
38:01
they're like, we're going to do a three hour
38:04
breath work. Like a holotropic, like, breath
38:06
work. And I was like, okay, I don't know what
38:08
that is. And sure, like, I've had lots of trauma,
38:12
right? I was like, yeah, I'll try it. I'll try
38:15
anything. This isn't like popping a pill or
38:17
taking a drug. Like, this was like a natural
38:20
thing that you could do with your breath. And I
38:23
had the most amazing journey. At first you're
38:26
like doing it and you're like, I'm this,
38:28
nothing's happening. I'm not doing it right. And
38:30
then all of a sudden, like, there was this
38:32
amazing vis that I had and literally life
38:37
changing. Like, I picked up the phone and called
38:39
my husband and I was like, okay, like, I got a
38:43
very clear vision about what my mission is on
38:45
this earth. And like, I need your support. Like,
38:48
can we sit down and talk about it? And I remember
38:51
flying home, and we sat down, we opened a bottle
38:54
of wine, and we had the best conversation, I
38:56
would say, like, we've been together 22 years
38:59
now, like, of our entire relationship. It was
39:02
like, that night, I was like, these are my hopes
39:04
and my dreams. These are my goals. Like, this is
39:07
the example I want to set for the kids. Like,
39:10
this is an example, but I want to set to them,
39:12
like, around love and family and community and
39:15
all these things. And my husband was like, yes,
39:19
like. And he shared his goals and dreams with me,
39:23
and it was. It honestly felt like a recommitment,
39:28
like, not only to ourselves, but to each other,
39:31
because we are so supportive of each other's
39:33
journeys. And that's when his journey started,
39:36
too. And even though he wasn't going through the
39:39
same, like, kind of personal growth and work that
39:41
I was working on at that point, like, somehow it
39:45
sparked something in him to start down his path
39:48
and his journey. And together, like, it just felt
39:50
like we were unstoppable.
39:54
Meredith Oke: Oh, that's so beautiful and. And important. Like,
39:57
it's. To have a partner who. Who gets it and who
40:02
is on the ride with you makes a really big
40:07
difference.
40:09
Oksana Hanson: Yeah. And I'm like, okay, we're gonna homeschool
40:11
the children. He's like, that's really scary, but
40:15
okay. He's like, good for him.
40:22
Meredith Oke: I'm going all the way. So how's that going?
40:31
Oksana Hanson: So good. So good. And by the way, you question
40:37
yourself the whole way. You're like, am I doing
40:39
the right things? Like, and as the children get
40:43
older and smarter and, you know, I just focus on
40:49
knowing that you can learn lots and lots from
40:55
reading books and information. But I also love to
40:58
couple it with, like, experiential things. Like,
41:01
for instance, this weekend was President's Day
41:05
weekend, and so we went to New York City to see
41:09
the Statue of Liberty and Ellis island, and we
41:12
saw the play Hamilton. Right. Like, so it's.
41:15
People think, like, homeschooling is like, you're
41:18
sitting at a desk working all day long. Well,
41:20
yes, that's part of it. You know, everybody needs
41:23
to do math and be able to read and write at the
41:25
end of the day. But, like, it doesn't have to be
41:29
as difficult as you think it is in your head.
41:33
Like, it. It's actually pretty simple.
41:37
Meredith Oke: Yes, it's true. I interviewed a woman during
41:41
COVID I did a little series when the lockdowns
41:43
were happening, and all of a sudden, our kids
41:44
were home all day. So I just, like, did Facebook
41:47
lives with People who knew how to do that. And I
41:50
interviewed this mom who homeschooled. I think
41:53
she had like five children. And she was like,
41:55
yeah, we, we do school from 9 till 12. And then
41:58
they go outside.
42:00
Oksana Hanson: Yeah.
42:00
Meredith Oke: Like the older one goes fishing and the younger
42:03
ones do this and they, you know, they had a big
42:05
property and in a rural situation and it was just
42:09
like, yeah. And they're like ahead of all of the
42:12
milestones according to the, you know, where
42:14
they're supposed to be from the state law of
42:17
whatever. And I was like, oh, okay. That's
42:21
actually. So I hear what you're saying. Like,
42:25
yeah, you just do it. It's not school, but at
42:28
home it's a different experience.
42:31
Oksana Hanson: Well, and like we take light breaks, right. So we
42:37
sit outside for sunrise every single morning, no
42:41
matter like what the weather is outside. And we
42:44
do our morning prayers together and reread
42:46
together like as family. And then we go inside
42:49
and we eat and we do a couple things and then we
42:52
go for our barefoot walk like around the block.
42:55
Then we do a couple, you know, a little bit more
42:57
of work and then we go for our three mile family
43:00
walk. Like it's, we're so circadian, like aligned
43:05
now and we get the flexibility to do that as a
43:07
family. And then like gymnastics and sports and
43:10
other things that my kids are doing, they're
43:12
doing that in the afternoon hours instead of the
43:14
night hours. Right. Like, so they're home by 4 or
43:16
5. We're having dinner together, we're getting
43:19
our blue blockers is on. We're spending that time
43:21
together as family before bed. Like, I remember
43:25
having them doing activities till like 8 o'clock
43:28
at night. We'd all be cranky, exhausted, hungry.
43:31
Like it was just, we were all going crazy. And
43:35
for what? Like, when you're homeschool, you can
43:39
have all the time that you want. You can put
43:41
sports activities in the morning. You have so
43:43
much flexibility to do what you want to do, to
43:47
like align your schedule with like our circadian
43:50
rhythm and how we're meant to like ancestrally
43:53
live. Right?
43:55
Meredith Oke: Oh, that's so good. Yeah, it's true. The, the
43:59
scheduling is, you know, it's crazy. My. Yeah,
44:04
I'm on a, A board in this school district and we
44:08
meet once a month and I wear my glasses and no
44:12
one says anything. My kids are like, oh God. But
44:17
yeah, we leave some. Sometimes that meeting goes
44:19
till 9pm and I'm leaving and like there's kids
44:22
playing basketball and the moms are waiting
44:25
outside in the hall and like, they're not done
44:27
till 9:30 and.
44:29
Oksana Hanson: Oh, my God, what?
44:33
Meredith Oke: But yeah, it's, you know, when you're in school
44:36
till 3:30 and then you have. Yeah. The way that
44:41
our culture is set up, it's not. It's not
44:43
optimized. So let's. Okay, so let's circle back
44:46
to that because you. So you found the. The
44:49
circadian biology world, the quantum biology
44:52
world. And it's. You've, like, really integrated
44:59
those principles into your life. So you've just
45:01
told us a little bit about your day. Like, how
45:03
did that start out for you? And how has your
45:06
health been since. Since integrating a circadian
45:10
optimized lifestyle?
45:13
Oksana Hanson: I think the biggest change was my emotional
45:17
health. And I know that's going to sound weird
45:19
because we were just talking about the C word,
45:20
cancer. But honestly, like, what I found was the
45:26
biggest change was spending more time outside.
45:29
Like, so I always tell people, I'm like, what can
45:31
you do today outside? What can you do that you've
45:36
planned today outside? So whether it's, you know,
45:39
like doing a walking meeting with your boss
45:42
outside instead of sitting, like, in the office,
45:45
taking your coffee break outside. Like, where can
45:48
you open a window? Right? Like, I felt this rush
45:53
of energy when I started waking up with the sun.
45:56
Like, I was one of these people that always used
45:58
an alarm clock, was staying up super, super late,
46:02
had insomnia. I would always wake up between 2
46:04
and 3 in the morning. And all of a sudden we
46:08
started watching the sunrise and blocking blue
46:10
light at night. And all of a sudden I was like a
46:12
different person. It was like, okay, well,
46:15
obviously being out in the sunlight makes me feel
46:17
good, so I want more of that. Like, right, you
46:21
get that dopamine rush and you're like, more of
46:24
what feels good. Okay, Being out in the sun feels
46:26
good. So all of a sudden, I'm tanning my skin
46:29
again, and we're buying a lake house so we could
46:32
spend more time outside barefoot, in the woods
46:35
and in the water. And I mean, it was this cascade
46:39
of, okay, we can build our. We can build our
46:44
perfect life. Like, we can literally build a life
46:47
around how we want to live. And somehow I think
46:52
living in California would have never given us
46:54
that freedom. But making that big change, moving
46:57
to Nashville, all of a sudden, we're like, oh, we
47:00
could do anything. Like, it felt like this
47:03
permission to make whatever life decisions we
47:07
wanted. Like, I don't know. I know that sounds
47:09
kind of weird, huh? It kind of sounds weird.
47:11
Meredith Oke: No, that makes total sense. And I think it's
47:15
another really important point to bring up is
47:18
that, yeah, we feel like if this is the way
47:21
things are, this is the way things have to be.
47:24
And it's like whether it's in our, the way our
47:27
lives are structured, our businesses are
47:29
structured. Yeah. We are the architects. We can
47:34
redesign anything at any moment. And if it feels
47:38
impossible where we are, like, okay, well maybe,
47:40
maybe it's somewhere else, but it's possible.
47:44
Like all the things are possible. And I love that
47:50
you leaned into that and made it real.
47:54
Oksana Hanson: Yeah. And what's funny is. So my husband was very
47:57
skeptical. He's like, like skin type one, right.
48:02
He's like red beard, very blonde hair, very
48:05
white, see through skin. And he was like, how are
48:09
we not going to wear sunblock? And I'm like,
48:12
we're just going to test this. Like, we're going
48:14
to, you know, watch the sunrise. We're gonna go
48:17
for our UVA walk every morning. Right. Our body
48:20
has all these internal processes. Right. To
48:22
protect you from the sun. We're gonna, we're
48:24
gonna listen to this information and we're gonna
48:26
test it. So I remember it was like 101 degrees.
48:30
We were at this water park. It was black asphalt,
48:33
it was so hot outside. Our two kids are very,
48:38
very fair skinned as well. And he goes, we're not
48:41
putting on some block today. And I'm like, like,
48:43
nope. I go, but any sign of us, like getting pink
48:46
or red? Like, we'll get, you know, we'll take a
48:48
little break or whatnot. We spent all day at this
48:51
water park, Meredith. We were going to bed that
48:54
night. My husband goes, I cannot believe we're
48:56
not burnt to the crisp. And I'm like, huh, isn't
49:00
that funny? Isn't that funny?
49:03
Meredith Oke: Like that interesting.
49:07
Oksana Hanson: And that. Yeah.
49:09
Meredith Oke: Building up your ability to be in the sun over,
49:11
over time. Your skin was preconditioned. You knew
49:14
how to do sensible sun exposure. And it's like
49:18
four super fair skinned people, even a redhead.
49:22
Oksana Hanson: Yeah.
49:22
Meredith Oke: Outside all day and it's like, you're fine.
49:27
Oksana Hanson: Yeah. It was just, it was this proof of like,
49:30
okay, this stuff is not like, woo, woo. This
49:34
stuff is real. Like we're testing it on
49:37
ourselves. We feel the best we've ever felt.
49:41
We're in the greatest shape of our life. Like,
49:43
and I feel so fulfilled too. Like emotionally,
49:47
spiritually fulfilled of like teaching this
49:50
information to other people. There's nothing that
49:53
brings me more joy than talking about this and
49:56
meeting all the interesting people in our
49:58
community. Like you and I were talking about
50:00
before. We started this podcast is like, it is
50:04
some of the best people in this community. Like,
50:07
everyone's so loving and supportive and so
50:09
passionate about what they do. It's just the best.
50:14
Meredith Oke: Yeah, it's really, it's really amazing. It's like
50:17
when you, you know, because, yeah, I've made some
50:21
choices to veer off the, off the main path. And
50:25
it's like once you do and you're off, you know,
50:29
on your tangent, then you're surrounded by other
50:31
people who also made that choice. And so there's
50:35
a sense of freedom, I think, amongst people who,
50:40
you know, because they're like, yeah, I did the
50:44
weird thing, I did the hard thing. And like, here
50:46
I am. It's all fine. And yeah, we have like a
50:49
bigger purpose guiding us, you know, and we're
50:55
all, we're all like on the same page with that.
50:59
And so I love. Because so now what's coming to
51:02
fruition on your journey with this is an in
51:05
person retreat which is coming up June 2025 in
51:11
Tennessee. So you and Carrie Bennett have put
51:15
this together. Like, tell us about that, how it
51:17
came to be, what it's going to be like.
51:21
Oksana Hanson: Yeah, so I think after Covid, we were all kind of
51:24
craving that human connection. And this QVC was
51:28
just such a small community and we had known all
51:31
these people and built these friendships and
51:33
relationships, but yet never met anybody in
51:35
person. And so I was up in the Detroit area
51:42
seeing an explant specialist to get my implants
51:44
taken out and I was like, carrie, I'm close to
51:47
you. I'm going to come by and let's have a
51:50
coffee. And her and I got talking. It was so
51:52
great because we'd known each other for a couple
51:54
years now, and we're like, we've never seen each
51:58
other in person. And I go, man, just feels like
52:01
we need to put some kind of event together to
52:04
have everybody in the same place. And as we all
52:07
know, like, we are energetically connected. I'm
52:10
like, we. How magical would it be if we all came
52:14
together like in person? And that's where this
52:18
idea of this in person retreat came to be. And we
52:24
spent like a really good six months, like,
52:27
looking for the perfect location that was like
52:30
circadian friendly and, you know, finally found
52:33
this like old reclaimed rock quarry that's on 160
52:37
acres right outside of Nashville. So it's like
52:39
close to a major airport, but yet just far
52:42
enough. It's got this beautiful waterfall and
52:45
this huge barn. And we're like, yes, we can get
52:50
some of the smartest people, like smartest minds
52:53
in this industry together, ask them to talk about
52:57
something they've never talked about publicly
52:59
before. So this is going to be like a very unique
53:05
kind of approach to what people are going to talk
53:08
about and get everybody in one room with like,
53:12
you know, slide away doors. So the barn is open
53:15
to the outside with water running there and we
53:19
have some really beautiful, like really quantum
53:23
aligned vendors that are coming to kind of
53:25
showcase and sell some of their products and
53:28
bring different tools that people might not
53:30
necessarily get to experience in their day to day
53:33
life. And so it's just we've been curating and
53:36
working on this for like over a year now just to
53:41
make it like super, super special, but very again
53:45
like aligned with our principles and like
53:47
everything that we stand for.
53:51
Meredith Oke: I love it. I'm so excited for this. I think it's
53:55
amazing what you're doing and yeah, there's,
53:58
there's nothing like in person connection and you
54:03
know, when you're out, when you're involved in
54:06
something that's like really, really not
54:09
mainstream. The technology is a beautiful thing.
54:12
Right. Because we can be connected across all the
54:15
geographies and find each other, but at the same
54:19
time. Yeah. Then to have to have a real life
54:24
opportunity to be in each other's physical
54:29
presence is just so profound. So that I think
54:32
it's going to be just a gorgeous event. I'm so
54:35
thrilled that what you, you and Carrie have, have
54:38
put together and I highly encourage everybody to
54:41
go. So the, the website is. What's the website? I
54:50
will put it in the show notes for sure. And
54:53
Carrie and Oksana have very kindly offered a, a
54:56
10% discount if for the code QBC. You put that
55:00
when you check out. And it is.
55:05
Oksana Hanson: I should have put it up. Carrie B. Wellness.com
55:10
forward/retreat.
55:11
Meredith Oke: Okay. Oh, so it's, you can just find it through
55:13
Carrie's website.
55:14
Oksana Hanson: Yeah.
55:15
Meredith Oke: Okay. Yeah. So Caribbean Wellness Forward slash
55:17
retreat. Put the, put QVC in. It's at the end of
55:22
June 2025 for a couple of days. And yeah, it's
55:27
going to be magical and fun and I, I feel like
55:31
it'll be one of those things that will just for
55:34
everyone who, who's able to attend will like just
55:37
be a big battery recharge in, in whatever way you
55:42
need.
55:44
Oksana Hanson: Um, I was talking to Carrie this morning and she
55:47
said that she just had this vision of like we
55:49
were at the retreat and there was just smiles
55:52
everywhere and the energy was insane. I was like,
55:55
yes, like this is gonna Be one of those. Like, it
55:59
feels surreal because all of these people, like,
56:03
that we've been aligned with, like, you know,
56:05
we're. We've kind of. I'm gonna say this for
56:09
myself, not other people. Like, I kind of felt
56:11
weird, right? Like, I'm the odd man out amongst
56:14
all my friends and all these people talking about
56:17
the sun and the healing power of the earth and
56:19
all these things. And now I'm like, I get to be
56:22
in a room full of all these people, like, with
56:25
the same mindset, and pick their brains behind
56:29
the scenes. Pick their brains of these really,
56:33
really smart people with all these interesting
56:36
views on the world and our body and how
56:39
everything works and coincides together. It's
56:41
gonna be amazing.
56:42
Meredith Oke: Yeah, it's gonna be really fun. Tell me some of
56:45
the speakers.
56:47
Oksana Hanson: So we have Stephen Hussey, Danielle Hamilton, we
56:52
have Sarah Pugh, Sarah Kleiner, and I'm sure
56:57
there's a lot more information. That's amazing.
56:59
Meredith Oke: Well, they're right there.
57:01
Oksana Hanson: Yes, they're on the website.
57:04
Meredith Oke: Yeah, no, just. Just a little. Just a handful.
57:07
Sneak peek. Yes. So I. Yeah, I really, really
57:11
want to encourage anybody who's listening if you
57:14
felt like that little, like, jolt or impulse of,
57:16
like, oh, my God, that sounds so fun. Like, do
57:19
whatever you need to do to get there, because it
57:22
will really be worth it. And these opportunities,
57:25
you know, they don't happen all the time. So
57:29
putting on a live event is no small. It's no
57:34
small thing. It's a really big endeavor. So I
57:37
think it's really important that we support them
57:40
and show up if. If at all possible, because they
57:44
really matter. And it's, I think, important to
57:49
the. To the growth of this message, to the growth
57:52
of this community and all of it.
57:55
Oksana Hanson: Thank you, Meredith. And I guess, like, I just
57:58
want to say, like, I think everyone has a. Their
58:00
own definition for, like, quantum health, but for
58:03
me, like, I really look at it from, like, a
58:08
spiritual, emotional, and physical standpoint.
58:11
And so the experiences that we've kind of curated
58:15
at this retreat are going to touch each of those.
58:20
Each of those areas. And so we'll have some great
58:24
speakers, and then we'll go outside and maybe do
58:26
a breath work. We'll have another speaker. We'll
58:28
go outside and jump into an ice bath. We'll have
58:31
another speaker, and maybe we'll go do yoga,
58:34
Right? There's. There's going to be, like, a
58:36
sound bath. Like, there's going to be all these
58:38
experiences that are going to kind of help you to
58:42
integrate the learnings and the information, and
58:46
then also do things together as a group of people
58:48
with, like, bonding things. Like, if you've never
58:50
done an ice bath, like, this is the best way to
58:54
experience it when you have other people around
58:56
you, like, cheering you on. The weather's going
58:59
to be great. It's going to be hot outside, so
59:00
you're going to want to jump in the ice bath.
59:02
But, yeah, it's definitely not going to be this,
59:05
like, stuffy. You're sitting in a conference room
59:09
learning material. Like, it's going to be some
59:11
amazing speakers, but it's going to be some
59:13
amazing kind of transformative experiences, I'll
59:17
say.
59:17
Meredith Oke: As well, fun, fully immersive. Sounds so good.
59:24
And. And, yeah, and I think these types of events
59:27
and are leading the way into a paradigm where we
59:31
stop with all of the compartmentalizing of
59:34
physical health versus mental health versus
59:36
emotional health versus psychological versus
59:38
virtual. It's like, yeah, from a quantum biologic
59:42
perspective, it's all the same. It's. It's. You
59:47
know, and I hear so many stories of, yeah, like,
59:51
something starts, you have a physical symptom
59:54
that leads to a spiritual awakening, or you have
59:56
a spiritual awakening that leads to a wanting to
59:58
take better care of your physical body. You know,
1:00:00
like, it's, you know, so I think this idea of
1:00:05
acne, you know, honoring that with the way that
1:00:08
you've structured the event is, you know, the way
1:00:12
forward, the way of the future. Any other last
1:00:16
thoughts, Oksana?
1:00:18
Oksana Hanson: No. Thank you so much for having me on today. I
1:00:20
really appreciate it.
1:00:22
Meredith Oke: Well, thank you for sharing your story. It was
1:00:25
truly, truly an honor to go, you know, to hear
1:00:28
you share that journey and to be able to
1:00:32
articulate the different choice points that you
1:00:36
faced and how you navigated them. And I really
1:00:40
love the message that you're leaving with people
1:00:43
of that. Like, we can. We can make our lives
1:00:47
different. You know, we don't. It's possible and
1:00:54
whatever that looks like for each person, but,
1:00:57
you know, you're a living example of that, and
1:00:59
that's really, really powerful. So much gratitude
1:01:03
to you and your lovely husband. Good for him for
1:01:07
getting on the ride.
1:01:10
Oksana Hanson: Thank you. We truly say, like, we truly think
1:01:13
that we are living heaven on earth, and that is
1:01:15
within reach for everybody, so.
1:01:18
Meredith Oke: Oh, that's beautiful. Thank you for being here,
1:01:21
Oksana.
1:01:22
Oksana Hanson: Thank you.