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  Speaker 1: Jesus is the good report tonight? Iran's terror plot revealed.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to the woman who warned the Albanize government
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  Speaker 2: last year to take action against Iran and was abused.
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  Speaker 2: Plus the latest on the hunt for a man who
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  Speaker 2: murdered to police today in Victoria. Fears he may have hostages,
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  Speaker 2: and the United Nation says there's a family in guards.
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  Speaker 2: I said, why are some restaurants there looking like this?
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  Speaker 2: What is really going on? And so much more, including
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  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan and the revolt today in the coalition against
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  Speaker 2: net zero. But first, now we know just a little
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  Speaker 2: of what Israel has been fighting as well, and let's
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  Speaker 2: hope the albani's A government wakes up to our common threat. Today,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister said Iran had organized at least two
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  Speaker 2: arson attacks on Jewish in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Azio has now gathered enough credible intelligence to reach a
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  Speaker 3: deeply disturbing conclusion that the Iranian government directed at least
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  Speaker 3: two of these attacks. Iran has sought to disguise its involvement,
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  Speaker 3: but Asio assesses it was behind the attacks on the
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  Speaker 3: Lewis Continental Kitchen in Sydney on October twenty last year,
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  Speaker 3: and the Adas Israel Synagogue in Melbourne on December sixth
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  Speaker 3: last year. AZIO assesses it is likely Iran directed further
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  Speaker 3: attacks as well. These were extraordinary and dangerous acts of
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  Speaker 3: aggression orchestrated by a foreign nation on Australian soil. They
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  Speaker 3: were attempts to undermine social cohesion and so discord in
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  Speaker 3: our community. A short time ago we informed the Iranian
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  Speaker 3: ambassador to Australia that he would be expelled. We have
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  Speaker 3: suspended operations at our embassy in Tehran and all our
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  Speaker 3: diplomats are our safe in eight third country. I can
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  Speaker 3: also announce the government will legislate to list Iran's Islamic
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  Speaker 3: Revolutionary Guard Corps the IIGC, as a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 2: Ahead of Asio said that Iran might be involved in
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  Speaker 2: more attacks here as well, and not just the fire
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  Speaker 2: bombing of the Dust Synagogue in Melbourne and that kosher
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  Speaker 2: bakery in Sydney, Lewis's Continental Kitchen. But the Iranian embassy
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  Speaker 2: itself was not involved.
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  Speaker 4: The embassy was not involved, No Iranian diplomats here in
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  Speaker 4: Australia were involved in this. This was directed by the
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  Speaker 4: ARGC through a series of overseas cutouts. Facilitators to coordinators
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  Speaker 4: that found their way to tasking Australians.
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  Speaker 2: This is the first time we have expelled an ambassador
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  Speaker 2: since World War Two and this whole plot fits with
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  Speaker 2: something they warned about back in January, the Sumarson attacks
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  Speaker 2: here on Jews seeing the work of criminal games Muslim
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  Speaker 2: dominated leaders overseas, often games which could have been paid
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  Speaker 2: by a foreign country. There are organizations, mainly Muslim or
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  Speaker 2: Middle Eastern ones here which do seem to have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of experience hiring criminal low life to burn buildings.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, they're are really blamed for building scores of buildings,
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  Speaker 2: mostly tobacco shops in Melbourne and Sydney and Brisbane, Perth
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  Speaker 2: and Adelaide. Many of these fires are alleged to involve
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  Speaker 2: members of local Middle Eastern crime gangs, especially from Victoria gangs,
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  Speaker 2: fighting over the illegal tobacco trade in a war that
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  Speaker 2: so far had around two hundred shops around Australia set
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  Speaker 2: on fire, including one hundred and thirty one in Victoria
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  Speaker 2: and fourteen in Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Now why such Middle.
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  Speaker 2: Eastern gangs, whose leaders now often hide out in Muslim countries,
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  Speaker 2: might be burning Jewish targets here as well, who knows
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  Speaker 2: because they want to because other actor, maybe a country,
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  Speaker 2: is paying them knowing that these Australian gangs are dug
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  Speaker 2: in well here, know how to torch things and wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: mind doing it. In fact, the Asia ebos today seem
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  Speaker 2: to back that.
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  Speaker 4: What I can say is there a layer cake of
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  Speaker 4: cutouts between IRGC and the person or the alleged perpetrators
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  Speaker 4: conducting crimes. In between them, they tap into a number
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  Speaker 4: of people agents of IRGC and people that they know
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  Speaker 4: in the criminal world and work through there. So it's
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  Speaker 4: a series of change. There is an organized crime, there
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  Speaker 4: is an organized crime element offshore in this, but that's
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  Speaker 4: not suggest organized crime are doing it. They're just using cutouts,
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  Speaker 4: including people who are criminal and members of organized crime
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  Speaker 4: gangs to do their bidding or direct their bidding in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's some we drew.
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  Speaker 2: A link between what Israel has been up against than
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  Speaker 2: what we are too. Iran world's biggest sponsor of terrorism
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  Speaker 2: through that ILGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Regard Corps. It backed
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  Speaker 2: the Hamas terrorists who attacked Israel on October sevent two
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  Speaker 2: years ago and started this war. It also funded the
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  Speaker 2: Hesbelah terrorist army, which fired thousands of rockets at Israel,
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  Speaker 2: but every time that Israel hit back at Hamas at
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  Speaker 2: Hesbelah and finally had Iran itself the Albanies, the government said, stop,
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  Speaker 2: de escalate, negotiate instead and negotiate with these guys.
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  Speaker 1: And now our government.
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  Speaker 2: Finds that Iran is playing the same deadly game in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: But consider its apparent refusal until today to see that
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  Speaker 2: the enemies of our civilization and Israel's aren't interested in
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  Speaker 2: negotiations and peace. They believe in hating Jews and wiping
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  Speaker 2: out Israel and then confronting the rest of the West.
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  Speaker 2: And our government then refused to do but it only
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  Speaker 2: today has finally done.
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  Speaker 1: It refused to.
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  Speaker 2: List that Revolutionary Guard's Corps as a terrorist outfit, despite
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  Speaker 2: pleas for two years from coalition politicians and Jewish groups,
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  Speaker 2: who refused to expel the Iranian ambassador, even after he'd
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  Speaker 2: posted support for our MAS leader and said a desirable
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  Speaker 2: outcome would be wiping out the Zionist plague out of
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  Speaker 2: the Holy Lands of Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: So what was this?
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  Speaker 2: Did this government seriously think that it could somehow sit
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  Speaker 2: out this all out war on Israel by Iran and
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  Speaker 2: its proxies, and another blindness of this government. You look
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  Speaker 2: how supportive terrorist groups is becoming normalized among the anti
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  Speaker 2: Israel protests, as some of them among people from the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East we've imported.
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  Speaker 1: In rational numbers.
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  Speaker 2: You take that giant anti Israel protest in the city
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  Speaker 2: hub Bridge three weeks ago, we even saw there a
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  Speaker 2: big poster of Iran's supreme leader and standing right in
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  Speaker 2: front of it, labor politicians including Ed Husick a former premier.
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  Speaker 2: Bob kar Karr actually posted a photo of himself and
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  Speaker 2: the rest of them in front of that poster. And
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  Speaker 2: in the protest last weekend there were again flags of
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  Speaker 2: ISLA extremists, including the Hamas terrorist group that he run
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  Speaker 2: funds one protests, they even wore a shirt with a
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  Speaker 2: picture of the Hamas leader now assassinated, and in the
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  Speaker 2: Hobart rally, Adel yussef Is, a senior lecturer at the
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  Speaker 2: University of Tasmania, reportedly told protesters there would be no
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  Speaker 2: Hamas if there was no Israeli colonization. We must support
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  Speaker 2: them in their resistance.
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  Speaker 1: Yet how blind.
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  Speaker 2: This governor has been to the radicalism now even in
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  Speaker 2: our universities that despite Sydney University the academics telling us
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  Speaker 2: just two days after I marks slaughter at twelve hundred,
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  Speaker 2: israelis oh, we shouldn't criticize it.
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  Speaker 5: We're saying that we distance is justified, and we're here to.
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  Speaker 6: Join our voices to those of everyone else saying that
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  Speaker 6: Israel is a terrorist settler state.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not going to stand.
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  Speaker 3: Before you and shed tears over.
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  Speaker 8: The senters the terrified settlers.
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  Speaker 3: Three confided.
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  Speaker 2: Israel's battle is ours as well. Does the Albanizer government
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  Speaker 2: finally get that message? Joining me is Michael Schubridge, a
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  Speaker 2: former senior defense official and our founder and director of
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  Speaker 2: Strategic Analysis Australia. Michael, thanks for your time. What should
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  Speaker 2: it tell us that he Ran is behind at least
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  Speaker 2: two fire bombings of Jewish targets in Sydney, Melbourne and
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  Speaker 2: most likely more.
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  Speaker 8: Well Andrew, It should tell us what we already knew.
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  Speaker 8: The Iranian regime is a violent regime that backs terrorist
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  Speaker 8: acts in other people's countries, and so Iran having a
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  Speaker 8: nuclear weapon is a terrible threat. But Iran getting away
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  Speaker 8: with committing violence in other people's countries is something we've
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  Speaker 8: got to act against. It's taken a while, but it's
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  Speaker 8: good to see the Albanesi government finally acting on this.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised that they took some time on a
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  Speaker 2: couple of those points there, like throwing out the Iranian
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  Speaker 2: ambassador and also refusing to recognize the Iranian Revolutionary Guard
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  Speaker 2: Corps as a terrorist group. Well they're doing it now,
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  Speaker 2: but slow. But doesn't this also underline that Israel's fight
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  Speaker 2: is ours as well?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, And I think this is where there's some difficulty
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  Speaker 8: for the Albanesi government because if they're not joining the
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  Speaker 8: dots about a Iran and its threat not just to
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  Speaker 8: Israel but to the wider world, everyone else will be.
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  Speaker 8: So the IRGC, the Iranian Republican Guard Court, the same
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  Speaker 8: outfit that has planned these violent attacks on shore, is
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  Speaker 8: at the heart of the Iranian regimes pursuit of nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 8: And it's the organization that has built and backed has
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  Speaker 8: Bolla and Hamas and funded and equipped the Hooties. So
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  Speaker 8: the authoritarian regime in Iran is a problem not just
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  Speaker 8: for the Middle East, but for Australia as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about joining the dots. So I want to
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  Speaker 2: ask you about something that you raised with me before,
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  Speaker 2: we before.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier today China.
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  Speaker 2: So who we've got the government, the government saying all right,
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  Speaker 2: we're finally getting tough on her und out with the ambassador,
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  Speaker 2: you know, interfering in the Australian soil China, though, we've
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  Speaker 2: got a court case in Canberra of a woman charged
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  Speaker 2: for allegedly spying on a Chinese on Chinese Australians on
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  Speaker 2: behalf of the Chinese Communist Party in Beijing. Obviously, we've
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  Speaker 2: also got China having bounties for the arrest of Chinese
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  Speaker 2: Australian citizens here or Chinese in Australia. That's foreign interference.
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  Speaker 2: Why isn't the Chinese ambassador also from marched out.
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  Speaker 8: Well and drew your spot on This is more joining
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  Speaker 8: the dots time for the government. So if we should
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  Speaker 8: expel the Iranian ambassador and three Iranian diplomats because the
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  Speaker 8: Iranian government has been planning and conducting criminal acts on
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  Speaker 8: Australian soil, well, that court case going on in Canberra
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  Speaker 8: right now says that the Chinese government has been behind
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  Speaker 8: planning and tasking criminal acts in Australia and those Hong
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  Speaker 8: Kong bounties on people living peacefully in Australia are another
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  Speaker 8: example that goes straight to the government in Beijing. So
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  Speaker 8: do we have a different standard for how we're treating
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  Speaker 8: the Chinese ambassador and Chinese diplomats to how we're treating
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  Speaker 8: the Iranians.
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  Speaker 2: And let me underline again that Iran and China are
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  Speaker 2: part of an alliance with North Korea and Russia that
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  Speaker 2: is threatening the West. Now, let's not treat them as
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  Speaker 2: discrete entities in one sense, and this makes it really
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  Speaker 2: part of a dangerous world now, Michael, like this alliance
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  Speaker 2: of tyrannies we've talked about before, Russia, China, North Koreina, Iran,
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  Speaker 2: and how the Albanizi governors, in my opinion at least,
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  Speaker 2: not taking it seriously enough. We've now got even more
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  Speaker 2: evidence that our biggest ever investment in Australia's defense, the
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  Speaker 2: three or more nuclear subs that we are buying from America,
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  Speaker 2: is in real trouble. The confusion today, I have to say,
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  Speaker 2: is extraordinary. You had defensives of Richard Marles announcing on
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  Speaker 2: Sundays dashing off suddenly to see Donald Trump's Defense Secretary
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  Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth, whose department is now reviewing where the US
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  Speaker 2: can even afford to sell us their submarines as so
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  Speaker 2: short of submarines of its own, and whether it can
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  Speaker 2: trust us with them, like you know, will we come
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  Speaker 2: to America's aid with those subs should it all hit
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  Speaker 2: the fan. But when Miles got to Washington overnight, he
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  Speaker 2: found no meeting had been locked in, although he will
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  Speaker 2: now see the US Secretary of State. And this comes,
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  Speaker 2: of course after multiple warnings from US officials and our
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  Speaker 2: former top Pentagon official that we don't spend enough on
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  Speaker 2: defense to make this steel work and the US needs
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  Speaker 2: more concrete commitments from US that we're going to stand
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  Speaker 2: by the US in what is going on.
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  Speaker 8: Well, Andrew, isn't it amazing? You know, we hear from
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  Speaker 8: the government, from the Prime Minister down, but from Richard
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  Speaker 8: Miles repeatedly how close their relations are with the Trump administration,
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  Speaker 8: and we're senior figures in the Pentagon. In fact, Richard
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  Speaker 8: Miles has said he's spoken frequently with the Pentagon Secretary
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  Speaker 8: Pete Hexeth, and that's why he's sure that UCUS is
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  Speaker 8: in such great shape. It turns out that he may
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  Speaker 8: not even be able to get a meeting with the
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  Speaker 8: Benegon chief when he's flown to Washington, so something doesn't
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  Speaker 8: add up. If everything is humming like a top between
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  Speaker 8: our government and the US government, what the hell is
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  Speaker 8: going on with this visit. But the more serious thing
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  Speaker 8: I think this shows us is Washington just isn't that
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  Speaker 8: in to the Australian government. They're not making it a
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  Speaker 8: priority to meet with our Deputy Prime minister. Aucus is
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  Speaker 8: more important to us than it is to America, and
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  Speaker 8: our government seems to have failed to notice that.
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  Speaker 2: It's just extraordinary. I found it amazing that the head
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  Speaker 2: of BHP, the head of Rio Tinto, they could get
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  Speaker 2: a meeting in Donald I'm sir, White House Office the
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  Speaker 2: other day. Our Prime minister has not been able to
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  Speaker 2: achieve the same. Michael Schubridge.
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  Speaker 8: Could it be Andrew that mister Miles hasn't got a
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  Speaker 8: big enough set of suitcases full of Australian cash to
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  Speaker 8: hand over to the Pentagon this time He's only come
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  Speaker 8: with one bang.
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  Speaker 2: That could be the case through Michael Schubridge. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for your time, Thanks sir. Let's return to
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  Speaker 2: the Abeneze government's refusal last year to do to Iran
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  Speaker 2: what announces it will? It was asked in the Senate
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  Speaker 2: by Liberal Senator Clear Chandler to lift Iran's Revolutionary Guards
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  Speaker 2: Corps as a terrorist organization for sponsoring terror around the world.
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  Speaker 2: But not only did Labor and the Greens vote against that,
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  Speaker 2: Labour's Tim Ayres now Science Minster abused Chandler, saying, for
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  Speaker 2: somebody who seeks future roles of leadership and foreign affairs
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  Speaker 2: that's on to continue with this line of argument while
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  Speaker 2: they have been briefed is utterly irresponsible, utterly reckless. For
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  Speaker 2: Senator Chandler to continue with his joining me is Senator
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  Speaker 2: Clear Chandler. Look, Senator, thanks for your tom. What do
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  Speaker 2: you say to Tim Ayres and the Albanzer government now?
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  Speaker 9: Look, I would say to the Albanese government Andrew that
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  Speaker 9: this action that they've taken today, listing the IRGC as
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  Speaker 9: a terrorist organization and expelling the Iranian ambassador from Australia
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  Speaker 9: is a welcome action, but it is long long over due. Now,
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  Speaker 9: I have a Senate Committee report here that I wrote
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  Speaker 9: as chair of the Foreign Affairs, Events and Trade Committee
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  Speaker 9: back in February twenty twenty three. In this report, we
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  Speaker 9: recommended that the IRGC should be listed as a terrorist
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  Speaker 9: organization and we recommended that Australia's diplomatic relationship with iranch
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  Speaker 9: should be reduced to the barest minimum possible. In October
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  Speaker 9: last year, the coalition said that it was time for
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  Speaker 9: the Iranian ambassador to be expelled from the country, based
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  Speaker 9: on his praise at the time of the Hesbala leader. Now,
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  Speaker 9: all of these actions that we've seen from the Albanese
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  Speaker 9: government today is frankly too little, too late. They have
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  Speaker 9: known for some time of the threat that the IRGC,
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  Speaker 9: that the Islamic Republic of Iran regime play here in
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  Speaker 9: Australia on Australian soil. They know about it because the
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  Speaker 9: Iranian diaspora has told them about it over and over
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  Speaker 9: and over again. Yet it has taken until now for
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  Speaker 9: them to act. So welcome actions, but really really disappointing
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  Speaker 9: that it's taken this long.
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  Speaker 1: Powerful argument.
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  Speaker 2: Senator, what reasons did Labor give you back then for
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  Speaker 2: not doing what you said, the prescribing of Varan's revolutionary
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  Speaker 2: regard or deporting the Iranian ambassador.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it's a very interesting question, Andrew. So we know
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  Speaker 9: back in January twenty twenty three that the Australian government
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  Speaker 9: was in the process of developing documents to list the
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  Speaker 9: IRGC as a terrorist organization. We know that these documents
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  Speaker 9: exist because FOI has told us so, but we also
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  Speaker 9: know through freedom of information requests that those documents were
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  Speaker 9: apparently Kyle bosched at the last moment and the government
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  Speaker 9: instead determined that it couldn't list the IIGC because it
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  Speaker 9: is the organ of a nation state. Now, the coalition
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  Speaker 9: at the time offered bipartisan support to the government to
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  Speaker 9: change whatever laws were possible to facilitate a listing of
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  Speaker 9: the IRGC terrorist organization. We said, well, if you can't
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  Speaker 9: do it under current legislation, we will support you to
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  Speaker 9: change that legislation. Now, that offer wasn't taken up back
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  Speaker 9: in February twenty twenty three, like I say in this report,
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  Speaker 9: and it's only now that we're seeing actions. So I
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  Speaker 9: really have to ask the question what has changed in
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  Speaker 9: the last couple of years that the ab and eazy
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  Speaker 9: government now has decided to do this. It's great that
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  Speaker 9: we have azo out in front of the cameras with
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  Speaker 9: the Prime Minister talking realistically about the threat that the
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  Speaker 9: IRI regime and the IRGC plays here in Australia, but
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  Speaker 9: the government is known about this for years and years.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think is the real reason they didn't
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  Speaker 2: punish Iran as you wanted.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I think that's probably a broader question that we
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  Speaker 9: in the West have to ask ourselves, particularly when we
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  Speaker 9: all know that Iran was behind the October seven attacks
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  Speaker 9: in Israel through its proxies in Hamas and Hezbola and
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  Speaker 9: the Huthis. We know that Iran spreads terror throughout the world,
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  Speaker 9: but we have seen, at least up until recently, a
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  Speaker 9: real hesitance from many Western countries to take decisive action
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  Speaker 9: against the Iri regime, to make sure that they are
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  Speaker 9: held accountable for what they're doing and in whatever way
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  Speaker 9: possible stop what they are doing. So I think that
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  Speaker 9: this is a far broader philosophical question than just what
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  Speaker 9: the Australian government is doing. But I will say that
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  Speaker 9: Australia has lags significantly behind our international partners like the
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  Speaker 9: United States, like Canada enlisting the IGC is a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll give a couple of possibilities. Eight hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: Muslims in Australia. That's a lot of votes and also
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  Speaker 2: an ideological dislike of Israel and this self hatred in
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  Speaker 2: the elites of the West. I think there are three
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  Speaker 2: chewing points to start within any future of discussion about
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  Speaker 2: why this government hasn't done before what it finally was
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  Speaker 2: driven to do today, clear Chander, thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for fighting so hard for so long and you know
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  Speaker 2: you've been vindicated.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: After the break Matt Canavan as Opposits leader Susan Lee
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  Speaker 2: is confronted with the revolts against net zero. Susan Lee
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  Speaker 2: today faced.
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  Speaker 1: Another revolt on global warming.
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  Speaker 2: The opposition leader had several Liberals and Nationals in a
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  Speaker 2: co meeting stand up to say enough, the Coalition can't
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  Speaker 2: wait another year to decide whether to ditch the net
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  Speaker 2: zero targets. That's smashing Australia power bills, soaring, businesses going broke.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: But Lee's is still insisting she'll take her time.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: It is still two years and.
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: Nine months eight months to the next election, so we
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: do have time to get it right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: But to be fair, this is a diabolical dilemma for
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the coalition. I mean, the evidence, the science says the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: government at zero policies can't and won't work and are
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: already really hurting Australians on the other hand, the polls
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: show that most.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Australians still back them.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Join me is our regular Tuesday commentator and National Senator
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, the former Resources Minister.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Matt, Great to see you again.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: What do you make of this part of our in
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: meeting today? You're one of the speakers, the manning and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: end to support for net zero, or at least now
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: an end of waiting for a year to decide the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: coalition's what's your argument?
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: Well, it wasn't actually about our position on net zero
• 22:07
  Speaker 11: per se. My message to my colleagues today, which I
• 22:11
  Speaker 11: said before the party room meeting as well, is that
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: let's just have the debate, as crazy as it sounds.
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: And Andrew, we have never debated net zero emissions in
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: the joint Coalition party room. This policy was imposed on
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: us by Scott Morrison in late twenty twenty one before
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: he went to the Glasgow conference, and it's sort of
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: just maintained and been on the books. And you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: of course, and I'm sure lots of your viewers know
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: that this idea that we'd go to net zero emissions
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: and just a generation is the most radical socialist economic
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: plan ever envisaged for our country, and yet the Liberal
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: and National parties have never debated it in our party room.
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: Something's desperately wrong about that. I mean, it doesn't matter
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: what your view on the issue is. We should just
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: have the debate at the weekend. At the LMP political Conference,
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: we had the debate. In the end, ninety nine percent
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: of six hundred odd delegates agreed to scrap net zero.
• 23:07
  Speaker 11: It actually unified us. Having a debate unified us. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: I think in most organizations, whether it's your family, or
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: your business, or even a sporting team, if you've got
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: a bit of tension, if you've got some differences of opinion,
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: the best medicine is to talk things out. Instead, we've
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: swept it under the carpet for three and a half years,
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: and it's probably not surprising then that there's bubbles and
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: troubles coming to the surface. Why don't we just talk
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: it out, Just thrash it out, get it over with,
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: There'll be a result and we can move on.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Well, one reason is exactly what we saw in Parliament today.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: The promes are absolutely salivating about this, you know, naming
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: you as as someone who's really enjoyed it his life
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: by talking about a policy direction, scrapping the zero that
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: labor reconcile they can win this the public really really
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: backs it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And look, you know the polls the public does back it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: What's your answer to the Liberals that you know you've
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: got to you've got to support a policy that's going
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: to kill you in the polls.
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: Well, I think there's a word for this, Andrew. It's
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: called hubris. It's called pride before or fall. And there's
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: been many examples before where people don't end up thanking
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: or being happy for what they wished for. And so
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: let's just see what happens here, because I've seen this
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: movie many times before, seen many instances where the polls
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: say one thing, and as soon as someone has the
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: guts to say the Emperor has no clothes, those polls
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: turn around very quickly. I mean, we've seen it in
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: the last parliament with the Voice. I saw the Prime
• 24:47
  Speaker 11: Minister just as cocker hoop about the Voice. He was
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: goading and encouraging the Liberal National parties to oppose his
• 24:55
  Speaker 11: uber popular voice. Within a year he was ashen faced.
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: I took it had a very different reaction to what
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: the position the coalition said, and I see this playing
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: out very similar. If we have the guts and gumption
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: to stand up for the Australian people, because the one
• 25:11
  Speaker 11: question we should be asking the Prime Minister right now
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: is what is his plan to lower energy prices? What
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: is his plan to lower energy prices? And if we
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: have a firm alternative position on how we should use
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: our energy resources, our priorities. I think he's going to
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: stumble and waffle and look completely lost at any attempt.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But you can only win that You can only win
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that map if you have leadership that is fully and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: passionately committed to the facts they know in their gut.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: This is you know this direction is wrong. I'm not
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: sure you've got that at the moment.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. This theory about global warming, this is the other thing.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Matt is so extreme and media organization is so committed
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: to the global warming religion.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: You know you're against his theory.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Like this from popular podcast Abby Chatfield has chosen, as
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you know, by the Prime Minister of one of his
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: campaign interviews.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Look at this, how do you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: Rationalize having a baby with the climate crisis. I'm not
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: asking this as a gotcha. I'm not going how dare you?
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: I'm genuinely, genuinely asking because I want kids, I just
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: don't feel that it's possible for me to have them.
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: With the climate collapse happening right now, it seems as
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: though we only have like max one hundred years left.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Mat ken Van, I'm delighted if people like Abby Chatfield
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: decide to breed themselves out.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: But when you get.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Influential streams actually claiming we've only got one hundred years
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: left on this planet, how can you win?
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: Well, I think the response is pretty simple in this case.
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: I mean, we can argue the tossa over whether climate
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: change is an existential issue for the human race, but
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: if we don't have babies, will definitely go and stick down.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: At clock sticking.
• 26:56
  Speaker 11: If we all don't have children at some point, probably
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: the next hundred years, I think many of us will
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: live longer than that, we.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: All go extinct.
• 27:04
  Speaker 11: So if you actually care about the human race continuing,
• 27:07
  Speaker 11: if that's your goal and objective, guess what You've got
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: to have baby, Someone's going to do it. I've been
• 27:12
  Speaker 11: happy to do it my wife five times. It's wonderful.
• 27:15
  Speaker 11: Of the message I'd tell the istrail people is there's
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: not greater joy in your life than seeing your young
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: children grow up and achieve and succeed. And ultimately, I'm
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: an optimist and I think we've got a great country.
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: I do think the Istraim people will eventually wake up.
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: The old saying is true. Australia is very good at
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: managing adversity and we're getting into a bit of adversity
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: right now, which is very poor at managing prosperity. And
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: maybe that's explained the position we're in.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we pour it.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: We're pour it arguing and listening to facts and reason,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and that it's a criticism they could make of many
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: liberals don't have a courage to argue on the facts.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Back Canavan, you have that courage. Thank you so much
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: for your time.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: After the break the laateres on the man were a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: cop killer in Victoria to a tragedy today in Victoria
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: an attack on us all a governor's killed to a
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: gunman has killed two police officers wounded a third at
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a property near the tourist town of Breit. This wanted
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: man has been named as Desi Freeman as one of
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: those loopy so called sovereign citizens, and was arrested four
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: years ago for the.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Case got underway. Police tackled one protester to the ground,
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: stood up to the police marched Desi Freeman to the
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: police station as crowds of supporters swarmed around him.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Join me from the scene is scone has reported, Georgie Diggerson, Georgie,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: thank you for your time. What happened exactly?
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: Good eating to you, Andrew. Well, it was around ten
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: thirty this morning when this extremely tragic incident here in
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: Victoria unfolded. And it was around this time when ten
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: officers went into this property where Desi Freeman was allegedly
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: living to execute a search warrant. And we don't know
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: exactly the details yet. Well that search warrant involved, but
• 29:15
  Speaker 12: what we do know is what unfolded when these officers
• 29:18
  Speaker 12: enter the property was nothing short of an absolute tragedy.
• 29:22
  Speaker 12: Eight officers never have made their way back home, but
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: two officers were shot and killed in an almost ambush
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: style incident. Now after this, the alleged perpetrator has actually
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: fled the scene and still tonight he remains at large.
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: There is any entire police presence around this area, Andrew.
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: They have blocked off a large area where this property
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: was and we did hear from the police Chief Commissioner
• 29:49
  Speaker 12: Mike Bush, and he says that these officers were murdered
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: in cold blood. He says that all of these officers
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: will be doing everything they can tonight to track down
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: this offender. When we entered the area, we actually received
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: a text message on our phone to alert us that
• 30:04
  Speaker 12: there was an active defender on the run and to
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: stay inside and to remain away from the scene. And
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: even when you walk around this area, you can tell
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: that everyone is listening to those calls from authorities. It
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: is an absolute ghost town from this tragedy that has
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: happened this morning.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Andrew this guy, I mean, if tend police go to
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: serve a warrant, they obviously know his figure is dangerous.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: What do we know of him?
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: Well, as we mentioned that clip that we played a
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: short time ago, he's had run ins with authorities. He
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: is believed that he was well known to authorities and
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: we're still combing through those details. There was claims on
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: lines about him being a sovereign citizen. The premiers asked
• 30:51
  Speaker 12: on this, but didn't go into further details about this man.
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: We did hear reports that he had actually left the
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: scene with his partner or wife and children at this stage.
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: His wife and children have not been located, but police
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: weren't exactly sure if they were still with him. At
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: this stage. There's been air patrols, is very dense bushland
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: around this area, so actually tracking him down has been
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: a difficult task and it has been raining all day
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: and obviously now nighttime it's going to be even harder
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: to track down this offender. So for now everyone is
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: really remaining indoors and as I mentioned, there is still
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: a huge police presence around this area.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Georgie Dickinson, thank you so much for that update, really
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. A lot of small Australian businesses that sell
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: stuff to Americans they could be in big trouble. Donald
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Trump said from Friday is going to be scrapping the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: rule that businesses wouldn't have to pay tariffs when they
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: sent passes with goodsworth under eight hundred dollars US and
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: today Australia Post said, well it's some media. Are you
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: going to suspend post of deliveries to the US to
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: work out how to deal with that because unlow commercial
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: freight companies it can't collect taxes or tariffs. Joining me
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: is Scone's business editor, Ross Greenwood. Ross Greenwood, thank you
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: for your time. How bad is this ban on temporary
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: ban on shedding small packages to America? Bad for customers?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Or maybe it's just bad for Australia Post.
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: Well, bad for Australia Post, but also bad for small businesses.
• 32:23
  Speaker 13: Right now, send goods to the United States which are
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: valued under eight hundred US dollars. Now the change comes
• 32:30
  Speaker 13: in from this Friday and effectively means that in the past,
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: if your goods were basically under eight hundred dollars US,
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: they entered the United States without any tariffs whatsoever. But
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: this is the so called deminimus level. The minimus is
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: simply just saying that's the minimum level under which no
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: tariffs were, say, applicable. But then from Friday every item
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: that goes into the United States will be the subject
• 32:59
  Speaker 13: of tariffs. Now, this is just a nightmare for companies here,
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: small businesses trying to send goods to the United States
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: because they've got to work out what the tariff is now.
• 33:08
  Speaker 13: To be fair, companies like FedEx or DHL range of
• 33:12
  Speaker 13: others will have ways in which you can work out
• 33:15
  Speaker 13: those tariffs and therefore apply them when you send the goods.
• 33:19
  Speaker 13: But do bear in mind that's something that the businesses
• 33:22
  Speaker 13: themselves have to do. Australia Post has decided it's actually
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: for the moment too hard. They don't have those calculators,
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: and so they've simply stopped the shipping of these small parcels. Now,
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: give you one small example I worked out. Let's say,
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: for example, you were an Australian confectionery maker and in
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: the past you've sent these parcels under eight hundred US
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: dollars and they turned up there with no tariffs. Will
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: now as you apply, you've got to go through all
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: of the paperwork and the tariff you've got to hit
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: them with is ten percent, which you either have to
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: pay here via your shipper or you have to organize
• 33:59
  Speaker 13: for the person who picks up the shipment to pay
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: it to the US Customs when it arrives. So, in
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: other words, a whole lot more paperwork has been done.
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: And there are all sorts of people in Australia, from
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: the fashion industry to small manufacturers to all sorts that
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: do this currently and this just creates more red tape,
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: more of a nightmare for them.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And red tape also costs, so it's not as the
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: tariffs as the red tape and plus an hour problems
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: in finding the ship that's going to send that package
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: for you to the US. It's going to hurt a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: lot of people. But Ross, that's one thing I want
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: to talk to you about. Another threat, and you've done
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: a series of interviews that have really I think you
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: should be headlines around Australia recently with leaders of some
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: of our very biggest energy companies. In particular, these should
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: interview should really frighten the government. Top gas and mining
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: companies telling you that Australia is no longer a good
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: place for business because of green tape, black tape, high
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: power prices, saying they are now investing more of the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: seas instead of investing in produc Here are some of
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the people you've talked.
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: To, given their global competitive dynamics that we talked about earlier,
• 35:16
  Speaker 14: there are likely other places where you're going to see
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: more trains added before we would add them in Western
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: Australia or on the East Coast.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: The last thirty billion US dollars in material investments we've
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: made have been elsewhere, and it's a shame somewhere between
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: difficult and impossible to develop gas resources.
• 35:34
  Speaker 15: We're going to be competing against the building of smelters elsewhere.
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: That happens much more quickly, much more cheaply where energy
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: costs and smelting is an energy intensive industry or lower elsewhere.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Russ that from some of our very very biggest companies
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: is frightening. It's extraordinary. What should it tell.
• 35:53
  Speaker 13: Us, Well, it should tell us that Australia is not competitive.
• 35:56
  Speaker 13: This is the bottom line of it. And really all
• 35:59
  Speaker 13: of the social wi fair reforms that the Albanezy government
• 36:02
  Speaker 13: has embarked upon the previous governments as well. You know,
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: they're all well and good when you're in a first
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: world nation, but the reality is that you need to
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: have economic growth to pay for those things. So what
• 36:14
  Speaker 13: happens is if businesses, because Australia is n'tcompetitive, pick up
• 36:19
  Speaker 13: their capital and their investments and go elsewhere, then ultimately
• 36:23
  Speaker 13: we lose the economic growth that pays for all of
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: those social reforms. Now, if we want to have first
• 36:30
  Speaker 13: world healthcare, we want first world education, we want first
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: curled child childcare, ndis age care. All those things cost
• 36:40
  Speaker 13: and you can't basically have the money coming from thin air.
• 36:45
  Speaker 13: That's the way in which you go down a very
• 36:46
  Speaker 13: slippery path to the Third World.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: That's not where Australia wants to be.
• 36:50
  Speaker 13: So Australia has got to embrace these companies make ourselves
• 36:54
  Speaker 13: more competitive. We are not competitive on wages, we are
• 36:57
  Speaker 13: not competitive on energy prices, we are not competitive on
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: our taxes in this country. And yet it seems that
• 37:04
  Speaker 13: from the Economic Roundtable last week, one of the answers
• 37:07
  Speaker 13: was why don't we raise taxes and make the wealthy
• 37:10
  Speaker 13: pay for everything? Well, that doesn't work because the biggest
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: companies in the world have choice. We are not the
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: only place where there is copper or iron ore or gas.
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: That's actually all around the world, and so these companies
• 37:25
  Speaker 13: have choices to where they develop. And if we don't
• 37:27
  Speaker 13: have the right economic settings here in Australia, then those
• 37:30
  Speaker 13: companies take the investment, take the jobs, take the future
• 37:33
  Speaker 13: taxes somewhere else, and that is not good for Australia.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: And I would add to those three factors you mentioned
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the reregulation of the workplace too. That has really hurt
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: some companies in terms of their ability to be flexible
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: in their working arrangements. And I just think that you know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: so much of these hurdles are caused by ideological minded
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: This really and I don't know. We've just got to
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: get out of it, but the government seems to have
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: no appetite for throwing it back. Ross Green would thank
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: you so much for your time. Quite okay, after the break,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the United Nations says there's a famine in Gaza, but
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: this man actually standing in a Gaza market says there isn't.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: So who's right the fashionable haters of Israel and the Jews.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: We'll now feed on a shocking mistake and caution. I'm
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: going to show you deserving footage. Last Friday, Israel's defense
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: force said terrorists right next to Gaza's NASA hospital had
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: fired rockets at the corridor used to bring aid to Palestinians,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the kind of hummas crime I media plays down. On Monday,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: is Ready soldiers fired back, but then minutes later fired
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: again as rescue workers and journalists predictably rushed to the
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: hospital's site, and about twenty people were killed. Israel's Prime
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: minister said it was a tragic mistake. But this again
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: raises the question for me whether this war now costs
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: too much even for Israel's own good. But there's another
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: crime now alleged against Israel. A United Nations back to
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: agency said last week there's now officially a famine in
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Gaza City.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: It is a famine, the Gaza famine.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: But while journalists here in the ABC have repeated that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: claim uncritically, there are serious questions about it. For a start,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: that you an official you just saw is Tom Fletcher,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: his head of Emergency Relief, who has a record of
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: making wild claims against Israel. He had to admit this
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: obviously ludicrous claim back in May was false.
• 39:44
  Speaker 16: There are fourteen thousand babies that will die in the
• 39:46
  Speaker 16: next forty eight hours unless we can reach them.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's the experts on the Famine Review Committee, which
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: oversaw this report. One of the six is Andrew Seal,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: a relentless critic of Israel, who not even a mom
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  Speaker 2: after Hamas terrorists started this war by slaughtering twelve hundred Israelis,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: said criticism of this terrorist group was unhelpful, Israel was
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  Speaker 2: guilty of war crimes. He also accused Israel just weeks
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  Speaker 2: later of hashtag Gaza genocide. Another of the six experts
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  Speaker 2: behind this FAM declaration, Izana Jamaludin, who an ex repeatedly
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: attacked Israel, never Hamas, and just two months after the
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  Speaker 2: war started, was already claiming people in Gaza faced catastrophic
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  Speaker 2: food insecurity. What's more, their report scenes based on partial data,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: when a full survey of children in Gaza City seems
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to show no famine conditions have not been met. But
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: as more, Israel, as I've told you before, stepped up
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: supplies of a to Gaza. And in Gaza City the
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Thailandi restaurant, which yes had been earlier Bond yesterday posted
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  Speaker 2: about the pizzas it was again making and on the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: weekend showed his takeaway kof and dessert. Elsewhere in Gaza
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  Speaker 2: just yesterday was the hot Dog restaurant advertising its chickens,
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  Speaker 2: and last week a Gaza supermarket advertises full shelves and
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: reasonable prices of tuna four dollars. One man in Gaza
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  Speaker 2: five days ago posted.
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  Speaker 1: This one.
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  Speaker 5: Will net one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined by Bill Kingston, host of far At Will
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  Speaker 2: the podcast from the Spectator, and Politics and Culture and
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Going Your host.
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  Speaker 1: Sanika di Georgia will.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that every person in Gaza can get
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  Speaker 2: to the food or can of even afford it. I'm
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: not saying they are not hungry Palestinians at all, but
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  Speaker 2: to see which things, these restaurants and all that in
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  Speaker 2: a place we told this famine. Does that add up
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  Speaker 2: to you?
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  Speaker 10: No, it doesn't, Andrew, and as an aside, I apologize
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: the less than ideal framing. There has been a blackouse
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: in the holiday house that I am staying in in
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: the ad break before that, we went to air, So
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: if you actually could see all of my friends racing
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: around in a panic in front of me trying to
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: sort out the electricity, it's probably more entertaining than anything
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  Speaker 10: I'm about to say. But yes, it doesn't add up.
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  Speaker 10: I am yet to see a starving Palestinian adult loose,
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  Speaker 10: one that doesn't have existing medical conditions, which I find
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: is curious given that all of the media are desperate
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: to make Israel the bad guys. And I also just
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: wonder why it is always Israel who are blamed for
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: the humanitarian challenges that are guards in our faces. You
• 42:56
  Speaker 10: don't talk about a mass no one talks about his Egypt,
• 42:59
  Speaker 10: no one talks about the UN and their photos. It
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: always just seemed to come back to Israel, and I
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  Speaker 10: think that reflects very poorly on the media and the
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  Speaker 10: global commentary establishment.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've got to say, Danika, I'm not denying that
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  Speaker 2: some people in Gaza might not be able to get
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: to the food.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I just say that in famines have seen before, I
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: haven't seen restaurants in full supermarkets.
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  Speaker 17: No what especially restaurant quality meals. Andrew, look this, you
• 43:34
  Speaker 17: went back to organization that has declared a famine in
• 43:37
  Speaker 17: the last week. They did the exact same thing in
• 43:40
  Speaker 17: March last year, and then a few months later in June,
• 43:43
  Speaker 17: they actually rescinded that declaration. So already they're untrustworthy. Already
• 43:47
  Speaker 17: they've done this before. Secondly, they changed their global criteria
• 43:52
  Speaker 17: in order to allow Gaza to fall into that famine category.
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  Speaker 17: And thirdly, where are they getting their information from or
• 43:59
  Speaker 17: they're getting it from the Gaza strip, which of course
• 44:01
  Speaker 17: is Humus run, and also getting the information from the
• 44:04
  Speaker 17: Palestinian Health Ministry, which again is Humus run and has
• 44:07
  Speaker 17: been deliberately inflating death figures and other medical figures for
• 44:11
  Speaker 17: since the very start. So the UN has proved itself
• 44:13
  Speaker 17: to be very untrustworthy. And again the media just.
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  Speaker 5: Laps it up.
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  Speaker 17: They hear the word famine and that's all that they
• 44:19
  Speaker 17: are running with, no investigation, no curiosity. Yet, you know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: has anybody ever thought to stop and think, well, gee,
• 44:26
  Speaker 17: you know you've got the US Israel Humanitarian Fund which
• 44:30
  Speaker 17: is delivering one hundred and thirty five million meals. So
• 44:33
  Speaker 17: why would Israel so blatantly and deliberately be going around
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: starving civilians. Her Mus, on the other hand, eluting AID
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: trucks and don't forget Andrew. Of course there were UNRAH
• 44:44
  Speaker 17: employees involved in the October seven massacre. But there just
• 44:47
  Speaker 17: seems to be such a sheer lack of curiosity around
• 44:50
  Speaker 17: the world right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I must say that there. I argue Ona, we
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  Speaker 2: didn't change it just for Gaza. We change our criteria
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  Speaker 2: because we change the way the famine, signs of famine
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: were being measured, et cetera, et cetera. Well, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not an expert. I don't know. I just know
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: those arguments are made. I saw the ABC's Media Watch
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: last night, attack al Shari Markson for her exclusive interview
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: with prominence of Benyminett Yahu, the Israeli Prime Minist, essentially
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: saying she should have attacked him more because I guess
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: they don't think he's attacked enough, but shouldn't. The ABC
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: itself will have attacked Israel haters even more when they
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: make false claims. But instead the ABC repeats false claims
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: like that idiot claim I saw before that fourteen thousand
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Panasinian babies would down forty eight hours because of Israel.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: There was no questioning at all from the ABC about
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: what was plainly an idiotic false claim.
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  Speaker 9: Haven't look Salmon has been declared in Gaza, impacting more
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: than half a million peace people, nearly a quarter of
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: the population.
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  Speaker 6: Fourteen thousand babies could die within the next forty eight
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: hours in Gaza if there's not enough aid cent there.
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  Speaker 11: That is the grim warning from the United Nations Humanitarian Chief.
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  Speaker 16: When they hear reports from the United Nations such as
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: this week that fourteen thousand babies are potentially going to
• 46:18
  Speaker 16: die this week as a result of a lack of
• 46:21
  Speaker 16: baby food in Gaza, how do they defend.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: That that's the ABC's problem.
• 46:27
  Speaker 10: Really, will Well, they're virulantly anti Israel. And ANDREWV said
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: this on your show before, I will say it again.
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: There is no reason for a ideologically captured state funded broadcaster.
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: In twenty twenty five, the ABC continues to provide more
• 46:45
  Speaker 10: and more evidence for why it should not exist.
• 46:50
  Speaker 17: What do you make it of that, Danika, Well, I
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: don't know if they just are simply obsessed with Shari Markson,
• 46:55
  Speaker 17: I don't know. I think they're obsessed with their own
• 46:57
  Speaker 17: pro Palestine Stans Andrew, which is extra given the amount
• 47:00
  Speaker 17: of time, money and resources it actually spends on this
• 47:03
  Speaker 17: Middle Eastern war. But if you watch the entire media
• 47:05
  Speaker 17: watch last night, they also went after migration figures as well.
• 47:09
  Speaker 17: They don't like to talk about that. I don't like
• 47:11
  Speaker 17: to talk about big Australia getting bigger either, because you
• 47:13
  Speaker 17: know it's racist. You're a bigot to talk about migration.
• 47:16
  Speaker 17: But look, what I would suggest to the ABC is
• 47:18
  Speaker 17: perhaps actually fact check yourself, fact check you your resources
• 47:23
  Speaker 17: when it comes to this Middle East war. As we've
• 47:25
  Speaker 17: just been discussing the climate hysteria, I mean a couple
• 47:28
  Speaker 17: of weeks ago, they didn't even cover Soal Grover's appeal
• 47:31
  Speaker 17: against Roxane Tickle in the Federal courts. So it just
• 47:34
  Speaker 17: tells you everything you need to know about the public broadcast.
• 47:37
  Speaker 17: Do we pay a lot of money to.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I tell you, Will, I think you're right. I mean,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the ABC claims, you know, it's the most trusted news organization,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: which I can't believe for an instant. You can trust it,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: yes to be biased if it's so trusted and so
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: valuable going a subscription service like the like hey, Sky
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: News to see if you can make a buck.
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right. I've actually occasionally and forgiven me for this.
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: Andrew done interviews at SBS and the ABC, and whenever
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: I've walked into their officers, I'm amazed at how many
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: people there are. I'm amazed at how big the officers are.
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: I'm amazed all of the technology available. And you go
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: into Sky, which is run efficiently, but it's run on
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: a much more efficient budget. They are wasting our money,
• 48:25
  Speaker 10: absolutely wasting their money.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely true. Will Kingston Nikkas Georgia, thank
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: you very much to you both.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Well. I mean the ABC has changed, you know.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I used to be a regular guest for not about
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: a decade and shows like Insiders, and then the chairman
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: before last said I wasn't welcome anymore even if I
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: wanted to come, which I don't. It is changed, that's
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: it for me sherry marks and up next good note