Latest / DISGRACELAND / N.W.A Pt. 1: Street Hustle, Reality Rap and Culture-Shifting Violence
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis.
- 0:13Speaker 2: The stories about NWA are insane. Their founding member was
- 0:17Speaker 2: a retired crack dealer, their producer was a violent surly genius.
- 0:22Speaker 2: Their main lyricist words set off a riot with tens
- 0:25Speaker 2: of thousands of fans. NWA, the group was born of
- 0:29Speaker 2: the violent streets. Its members were raised on Compton, south
- 0:32Speaker 2: central Los Angeles, where they are forced to dodge stray
- 0:35Speaker 2: bullets from rival gangs and shakedowns from abusive cops on
- 0:39Speaker 2: the regular. This violent and horribly unjust daily life informed
- 0:43Speaker 2: NWA's music, imbued it with a sense of reality that
- 0:46Speaker 2: previously had not existed in pop music and for many
- 0:50Speaker 2: was too unbelievable to be true. They were labeled sensationalists, misogynists,
- 0:54Speaker 2: profanity spewing, opportunists, anything but what they really were protest
- 0:59Speaker 2: musicians who, by the way, were highly entertaining, and who
- 1:03Speaker 2: made great music. That music you heard at the top
- 1:06Speaker 2: of the show that wasn't great music. That was a
- 1:09Speaker 2: preset loop from my mellotron called trash Man Funk BK two.
- 1:13Speaker 2: I played you that loop because I can't afford the
- 1:16Speaker 2: rights to Money Money by Billy idol and why would
- 1:19Speaker 2: I play you that specific slice of secondhand shondel Cheese?
- 1:22Speaker 1: Could I afford it?
- 1:24Speaker 2: Because that was the number one song in America on
- 1:27Speaker 2: November twenty seven, nineteen eighty seven, And that was the
- 1:30Speaker 2: day NWA entered the studio to record their album Straight
- 1:33Speaker 2: out of Compton, an album of hard beats and lyrics
- 1:37Speaker 2: so steeped in reality that they would predict one of
- 1:39Speaker 2: the most shockingly violent events.
- 1:41Speaker 1: In American history. On this episode.
- 1:44Speaker 2: Trash Man Funk, Shondel Cheese and the Violent Reality of NWA.
- 1:50Speaker 2: I'm Jake Brennan and miss this Disgraceland. The crimes they
- 2:21Speaker 2: committed were violent, thuggish, numerous and constant assault with the
- 2:25Speaker 2: deadly weapon, inflicting great bodily harm, breaking and entering brutality.
- 2:31Speaker 2: They took no shit. Were known to snatch up unsuspecting
- 2:34Speaker 2: victims on the street, throw them up against the wall,
- 2:36Speaker 2: empty their pockets, and think nothing of kneeing them in
- 2:39Speaker 2: the testicles, forcing them to bend over in submission, and
- 2:42Speaker 2: then kicking in their teeth. Beat Downs were common, bare
- 2:46Speaker 2: knuckle brawls, boot kicks to the head, and when the
- 2:49Speaker 2: beatings didn't work, they'd use their gats to make a point,
- 2:52Speaker 2: pistol whippings cold steel to the temple to intimidate. They
- 2:56Speaker 2: were known to smil menacingly through the windows of their cars,
- 3:00Speaker 2: driving through the neighborhoods, slow surveying their turf, and ensuring
- 3:04Speaker 2: that anyone out of line was quickly swarmed and brought
- 3:06Speaker 2: to heal. Straight gangster, except I'm not talking about gangsters
- 3:12Speaker 2: or NWA or any other so called gangster rappers. I'm
- 3:16Speaker 2: talking about the LAPD. In nineteen eighty five, violent crime
- 3:21Speaker 2: in Los Angeles exploded to unprecedented levels due to the
- 3:24Speaker 2: cities heavy.
- 3:25Speaker 1: Trafficking of crack cocaine.
- 3:27Speaker 2: Unemployment was on the rise, and career opportunities for young
- 3:30Speaker 2: black men in South central Los Angeles were near obsolete.
- 3:34Speaker 2: In the mid eighties, the violent street gangs who controlled
- 3:38Speaker 2: the drug trade in Compton, Englewood and other neighborhoods and
- 3:40Speaker 2: towns that comprise South central Los Angeles, the Bloods and
- 3:44Speaker 2: the Cryps, and their various offsets.
- 3:46Speaker 1: They offered real financial.
- 3:47Speaker 2: Opportunity for neighborhood kids where there otherwise were not.
- 3:51Speaker 1: The gang ranks swelled, and so did the murder rate.
- 3:54Speaker 2: Bloods and Crips decked out from head to toe and
- 3:57Speaker 2: red and blue, respectively, overwhelmed LA. Their presence, their violence
- 4:02Speaker 2: was a daily reality for residents in South Central, particularly
- 4:05Speaker 2: incomptent drive by shootings. Machine guns sprang from the windows
- 4:09Speaker 2: of pimped out sixty four impalas at the barred screen
- 4:12Speaker 2: doors of drug guns, indistinguishable from any of the innocent
- 4:16Speaker 2: families and neighborhood bungalows. Dead bodies lying in the streets,
- 4:20Speaker 2: victims of the ongoing curf war between the bloods and
- 4:22Speaker 2: the crips, or drug deals gone bad, or just innocent bystanders,
- 4:26Speaker 2: often children caught up in friendly fire. There were three
- 4:30Speaker 2: thousand gang related murders in the eighties in Los Angeles.
- 4:33Speaker 2: If you grew up in LA during this time and
- 4:35Speaker 2: were black and male, you were six times more likely
- 4:38Speaker 2: to be murdered than your white counterpart. But it wasn't
- 4:43Speaker 2: all bad. Compton was a real community, with hard working
- 4:47Speaker 2: men and women getting up every day, sending their kids
- 4:50Speaker 2: to school and themselves off to work, hoping, praying everyone
- 4:54Speaker 2: would make it home intact for dinner time, without hassle
- 4:57Speaker 2: from either the gangs or from those who were sworn
- 4:59Speaker 2: to serve protect the LAPD, who under the leadership of
- 5:04Speaker 2: Police Chief Daryl Gates, were at war in their war zone,
- 5:08Speaker 2: South Central Compton. Gates militarized as police force, armored tanks,
- 5:14Speaker 2: battering rams, helicopters, and in any means necessary mentality when
- 5:18Speaker 2: it came to police work force, indiscriminate force was their weapon. Gates,
- 5:23Speaker 2: in an official testimony before the United States Senate, actually
- 5:27Speaker 2: said that those who merely smoke pop should be quote unquote.
- 5:30Speaker 1: Taken out in shot dot dot.
- 5:33Speaker 2: Daryl Gates thought of his LAPD as a quote unquote
- 5:36Speaker 2: professional organization and to him, in many of his cops
- 5:40Speaker 2: seuth Central residents were mostly all gangsters, potsmokers, crack dealers,
- 5:44Speaker 2: it didn't matter. And the ones wearing gang colors red blue, whatever,
- 5:48Speaker 2: they were, all the same. Black was the only color
- 5:51Speaker 2: that mattered. If you were young black and a resident
- 5:54Speaker 2: of South central Los Angeles in the eighties, as far
- 5:56Speaker 2: as the LAPD was concerned, you were trouble at worst,
- 6:00Speaker 2: a hardcore gang banger, at best, an eventual shipbird destined
- 6:04Speaker 2: for one of the gangs prison, and or an early grave.
- 6:07Speaker 2: An LAPD acted accordingly. Young black men were harassed by
- 6:11Speaker 2: cops constantly, whether they were gang affiliated or not. Pulled
- 6:15Speaker 2: over for nothing, padded down, searched, smacked around, beat on,
- 6:18Speaker 2: hauled in, humiliated. The NAACP and ACLU filed complaints, locals
- 6:24Speaker 2: signed petitions, State and federal representatives gazed speeches, community groups
- 6:29Speaker 2: held meetings, citizens voiced their anger, and church basements over
- 6:32Speaker 2: staled donuts and cold black coffee, and at the end
- 6:35Speaker 2: of the day, nothing changed. The lapd blew it all off.
- 6:39Speaker 2: It kept going about their business, and the gang bangers
- 6:42Speaker 2: tolerated the police harassment and kept banging, and the bodies
- 6:45Speaker 2: kept dropping. An entire community kept on keeping on living
- 6:49Speaker 2: their lives in fear. It was war, and Darryl Gates
- 6:53Speaker 2: and his cops are going to continue to police the
- 6:55Speaker 2: only way they knew how, through sheer, brutal, indiscriminate, racially
- 6:59Speaker 2: biased force. And there was little that anyone could do
- 7:02Speaker 2: about it. But one gang banger would find a weapon
- 7:06Speaker 2: more powerful than any community group, more powerful than any
- 7:09Speaker 2: petition or local politician or the NAACP and ACLU combined
- 7:14Speaker 2: that weapon a microphone. That gangster, easy motherfucking ew but Ease,
- 7:22Speaker 2: also known by real name Eric Wright, was no common
- 7:25Speaker 2: gang banger. In another lay born into different circumstances. Eric
- 7:30Speaker 2: would have been a CEO or some other sort.
- 7:32Speaker 1: Of high level executive.
- 7:34Speaker 2: He had a mind for business and took his business
- 7:36Speaker 2: dealing cocaine wholesale seriously every morning while his competitors and
- 7:41Speaker 2: customers slapped off the effects of whatever wild party they
- 7:44Speaker 2: had attended the night before. Young, early twenty soethingter Eric,
- 7:48Speaker 2: who didn't drink, would wake up early, sit at his
- 7:50Speaker 2: parents breakfast table and read the La Times. Then, as
- 7:54Speaker 2: was his routine, he'd head to the garage and organize
- 7:57Speaker 2: his product, readying it for sale later that after after noon,
- 8:00Speaker 2: before peeling off the customary two grand in cash from
- 8:03Speaker 2: one of the many stashes he kept in and around
- 8:05Speaker 2: the house, stuffing it into his sock, and gliding out
- 8:08Speaker 2: over the driveway to his mint condition nineteen seventy three
- 8:11Speaker 2: Chevy Caprice, decked out in all black, a color chosen
- 8:15Speaker 2: not entirely because of its bad assory, but also because
- 8:18Speaker 2: of its neutrality. The black Chicago White Sox hat covering
- 8:22Speaker 2: his black Jerry Curl hair, the black satin La Raiders
- 8:25Speaker 2: starter jacket, the black jeans, black Adidas, and black wrap
- 8:28Speaker 2: around sunglasses all had the added benefit of not being
- 8:31Speaker 2: either blue or red, the colors of the local crips
- 8:34Speaker 2: blue and rival Bloods Red. Meeting Eric clad head to
- 8:38Speaker 2: toe him black, wasn't in danger of pissing off either
- 8:41Speaker 2: gang and accidentally winding up dead because of a poor
- 8:44Speaker 2: fashion choice. But avoiding death on the streets of Compton
- 8:47Speaker 2: wasn't that easy for the drug dealer who would later
- 8:49Speaker 2: name himself easy. He had four kids from three different
- 8:54Speaker 2: women by the time he was twenty three. Eric loved
- 8:57Speaker 2: the ladies, but the responsibility many had to hustle. Many
- 9:00Speaker 2: had to be out there slinging it every day, and
- 9:02Speaker 2: the more coke wholesale or not, the more risks there
- 9:05Speaker 2: was that he'd be arrested or killed and either a
- 9:08Speaker 2: deal gone wrong or a robbery, not to mention the
- 9:10Speaker 2: fact that the local cops took every opportunity they could
- 9:13Speaker 2: to fuck with him, so he did his best to
- 9:16Speaker 2: lay low and deal as dope as carefully as possible.
- 9:19Speaker 2: Unlike his first cousin, Horace Butler, Horace was Eric's mentor
- 9:23Speaker 2: in the drug game, and Horace lived large. He cut
- 9:26Speaker 2: an impressive figure, more fat boy than Bobby Brown. Horace
- 9:30Speaker 2: was a big man who was in the game to
- 9:31Speaker 2: make it big as fast as possible. He dealt weight
- 9:34Speaker 2: and didn't care who he fucked with along the way.
- 9:37Speaker 2: It was only a matter of time before he pissed
- 9:39Speaker 2: off the wrong person, which he inevitably did and ended
- 9:42Speaker 2: up shot to death in his candy painted GMC truck
- 9:45Speaker 2: on the on ramp to the tent. When he died,
- 9:48Speaker 2: Eric was heartbroken, but he was also the beneficiary of
- 9:51Speaker 2: his cousin's large stash of cocaine and cash. He went
- 9:55Speaker 2: to work quick, cutting it up and listening a trusted
- 9:58Speaker 2: friend a deal for him and putting some of the
- 9:59Speaker 2: money out on the street to start working for him.
- 10:02Speaker 2: He applied his intelligence to the game of drug dealing
- 10:05Speaker 2: and within no time he was more successful than his
- 10:07Speaker 2: dead cousin ever could have dreamed of, and sitting on
- 10:10Speaker 2: nearly half a million dollars in profit. But he knew
- 10:13Speaker 2: it was only a matter of time, only a matter
- 10:16Speaker 2: of time before it was his head with a bullet
- 10:18Speaker 2: hole and it blood. He did, face down on the
- 10:20Speaker 2: steering wheel of his seventy three Caprice on the side
- 10:23Speaker 2: of the tent. He needed to get out of the game,
- 10:26Speaker 2: but like most young men in Compton, at the time,
- 10:28Speaker 2: there were a few options beyond dealing drugs or go
- 10:31Speaker 2: nowhere minimum wage jobs other than pussy rap music was
- 10:35Speaker 2: his only other interests. He was obsessed with the mixtapes
- 10:38Speaker 2: he'd heard circulating throughout the neighborhood. The tapes originated from
- 10:41Speaker 2: a booth of the local swap meet run by indie
- 10:44Speaker 2: record store owner Steve Janno, and they blew Eric's mind
- 10:48Speaker 2: that they were long playing sixty minute mixes featuring run DMC,
- 10:51Speaker 2: Rob Bass and DJ Easy Rock, King T and the
- 10:55Speaker 2: Fat Boys, and some of the breaks featured raps in
- 10:57Speaker 2: the creator of the mixes, a kid who had turned
- 11:00Speaker 2: out Eric Kneuo from the neighborhood.
- 11:02Speaker 1: Eric quickly bought up every one.
- 11:04Speaker 2: Of these cassettes and begged Jano to introduce them to
- 11:06Speaker 2: the kid who made them, a dude by the name
- 11:08Speaker 2: of Andre Young, one of the other kids down at
- 11:11Speaker 2: Skateland USA.
- 11:12Speaker 1: Called Doctor Dre.
- 11:32Speaker 2: Skateland USA was a local Compton hangout for teens and
- 11:35Speaker 2: young people, a roller rank that would host MC's DJs
- 11:39Speaker 2: and touring rap artists. It was a neutral space where
- 11:42Speaker 2: once you were inside, you were supposedly saved from the
- 11:45Speaker 2: gang warfare happening right outside its doors, but there was
- 11:48Speaker 2: only one way in and one way out. Once you
- 11:51Speaker 2: walked out of Skateland stores, it was blood country. The
- 11:55Speaker 2: gang bangers would line up and beat down anyone who
- 11:57Speaker 2: looked funnier looked at them funny upon their exit. Skateland
- 12:01Speaker 2: was also where Doctor Drake got his first real shot
- 12:03Speaker 2: at performing with his group World Class Wrecon Crew, a
- 12:07Speaker 2: hip hop infused electro collective drafting off of disco's last
- 12:11Speaker 2: gasp of relevance. Ultimately, the group was going nowhere, and
- 12:15Speaker 2: Drey was unhappy, though he appreciated collaborating with the group's
- 12:19Speaker 2: other DJ, DJ Yellow Yellow cracked him up. It was
- 12:23Speaker 2: the mid eighties, the radio was all about a new edition.
- 12:26Speaker 2: In Top forty was blanketed by SYP pop and R
- 12:29Speaker 2: and B, but on the East Coast, Rap was evolving
- 12:32Speaker 2: into something much harder. Run DMC's Sucker MC's B side
- 12:36Speaker 2: from their nineteen eighty three It's Like That single was
- 12:38Speaker 2: a shotgun blast whose kickback reverberated all the way.
- 12:42Speaker 1: From Queen's to Compton. Dray was possessed by the beat.
- 12:45Speaker 2: It was so fucking hard, but World Class Wrecking Crew's
- 12:49Speaker 2: manager pushed Dray to produce what DRA called the soft
- 12:53Speaker 2: shit in hopes of cracking the FM dial, and they
- 12:56Speaker 2: came close. One of their singles, Surgery, received local air
- 13:00Speaker 2: and sold a respectable fifty thousand copies. But Drey's heart
- 13:03Speaker 2: wasn't it. He wanted to make something bigger, something that
- 13:06Speaker 2: sounded hard like run DMC, but that also incorporated the
- 13:10Speaker 2: hyperreal lyrics being spit out at the time by West
- 13:13Speaker 2: Coast pimp turned rapper Iced Tea, best demonstrated on one
- 13:17Speaker 2: of his early B sides, six in the Morning, a
- 13:19Speaker 2: track I says was heavily influenced by Philadelphia rapper schooly
- 13:23Speaker 2: D in his track PSK what Does It Mean? Ice
- 13:27Speaker 2: ta Six in the Morning is now credited as the
- 13:30Speaker 2: first gangster rap song. It's lyrics at the time totally unique.
- 13:35Speaker 2: If you were young and black and growing up on
- 13:37Speaker 2: the violent gang controlled in LAPD patrolled streets of South
- 13:40Speaker 2: central Los Angeles, these lyrics were your first and only
- 13:44Speaker 2: opportunity to hear your world represented on the radio or
- 13:47Speaker 2: anywhere else in pop culture. It was your only shot
- 13:50Speaker 2: to see what so many other Americans get to experience
- 13:53Speaker 2: every day and take for granted. Their world reflected back
- 13:56Speaker 2: to them from mainstream culture. Six in the Morning was
- 14:00Speaker 2: released in nineteen eighty six, the same year that The
- 14:02Speaker 2: Cosby Show, Family Ties and Cheers were the top three
- 14:05Speaker 2: rated television shows. Falcos Rock Me Amadeis, Madonna's Papa Don't
- 14:10Speaker 2: Preach in Berlin's Take My Breath Away, with the year's
- 14:12Speaker 2: top selling singles and top gun Crocodile, Dundee and Platoon
- 14:16Speaker 2: were the highest grossing films at the box office. There
- 14:20Speaker 2: was not an ounce of street reality in any of
- 14:22Speaker 2: these top selling mainstream performances from nineteen eighty six. So
- 14:26Speaker 2: for Dre, hearing his life, his reality, his and so
- 14:29Speaker 2: many of his neighbor's story and lifestyle spit back in
- 14:32Speaker 2: him over the radio through the speakers of friends Alpines
- 14:35Speaker 2: rolling down Crenshaw in the middle of the neighborhood that
- 14:38Speaker 2: inspired the track Six in the Morning was powerful. Drey
- 14:42Speaker 2: knew that this was where his future was. Hardcore street
- 14:45Speaker 2: lyrics like the ones from Iced Tea over hard beats
- 14:47Speaker 2: like the ones from Run DMC and DRE had a
- 14:53Speaker 2: secret weapon, a sound that would separate his musical fusion
- 14:56Speaker 2: from everything else, a sound that anyone anywhere would be
- 14:59Speaker 2: able to to recognize as his own, a sound that even.
- 15:02Speaker 1: He would be able to hear a mile away.
- 15:04Speaker 2: When his song eventually blasted from passing car stereos, he
- 15:08Speaker 2: and everyone else would know it was a Doctor Dre
- 15:10Speaker 2: jam when they heard his signature sound, the Compton whistle.
- 15:14Speaker 2: It was that high pitched, squealing synthesizer that Dre first
- 15:17Speaker 2: heard in the Ohio players tracked funky worm. Dre went
- 15:21Speaker 2: to work implementing it in and around the beats he
- 15:23Speaker 2: was fucking with in the back room at Skateland during
- 15:26Speaker 2: off hours. This sound would eventually grow to become the
- 15:29Speaker 2: staple sound of the genre. Dre would eventually help invent
- 15:32Speaker 2: g funk. Drey's new friend, Eric was way down with
- 15:38Speaker 2: what Drey was cooking up, and Dra convinced Eric he
- 15:41Speaker 2: didn't need to invest in a record store. He needed
- 15:43Speaker 2: to invest in a record label. They had what they needed,
- 15:47Speaker 2: a signature sound, big ass beats, and an original point
- 15:50Speaker 2: of view. Their songs would rep their reality, and they
- 15:53Speaker 2: as rappers would rep their hometown Compton, just like East
- 15:56Speaker 2: Coast rappers wrapped Hollis Queen's in the Bronx two hundred
- 16:00Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars of Eric's drug money that they
- 16:02Speaker 2: could invest into their new venture. But they also had
- 16:05Speaker 2: a problem. Neither of them wrote lyrics, but Dre had
- 16:09Speaker 2: a friend who did. O'sha Jackson, only sixteen, was a
- 16:13Speaker 2: natural born lyricist with drive. He was from Englewood, next
- 16:16Speaker 2: neighborhood over from Compton, but every morning he bust out
- 16:19Speaker 2: to a high school in the burbs with white kids
- 16:21Speaker 2: who rolled the school in BMW convertibles. Eventual Brett Easton
- 16:25Speaker 2: Elli's characters, who O'sha could not relate to at all,
- 16:28Speaker 2: but whose easy way of life stirred in him envy
- 16:31Speaker 2: in resentment. Their galling entitlement made it clear to O'Shea
- 16:35Speaker 2: that there was another, potentially better, easier way of life
- 16:37Speaker 2: if he played the game right, hustled, fostered his talent,
- 16:41Speaker 2: and didn't get caught up in the gangs or catch
- 16:43Speaker 2: a deadly beating from the cops. O'sha hated the gang bangers.
- 16:47Speaker 2: He knew they were evil and running down his community,
- 16:50Speaker 2: but he hated the cops more. The twin influences of
- 16:53Speaker 2: the gang bangers and South Central police tactics would combine
- 16:56Speaker 2: to give O'sha his lyrical point. Of view, and like
- 16:59Speaker 2: all great writers, he wrote what he knew the streets
- 17:02Speaker 2: outside his door in Englewood and in neighboring Compton, where
- 17:06Speaker 2: his friend Drey lived, and was fucking with that hustler, Eric,
- 17:09Speaker 2: the one who gave up the game and was now
- 17:10Speaker 2: calling himself easy. Dre, the doctor, mad scientist that he was,
- 17:15Speaker 2: was now conducting a full on experiment. He knew that
- 17:18Speaker 2: if he got himself, oh Shay and Eric in a
- 17:21Speaker 2: room together, they could unlock a new evolution and wrap
- 17:24Speaker 2: without fail. O'sha was inspired by Eric's larger than life
- 17:27Speaker 2: well life and wrote lyrics about him, But the group
- 17:31Speaker 2: Dre picked to perform the track was a bust in
- 17:33Speaker 2: the studio and they couldn't relate to the hardcore lyrics.
- 17:36Speaker 2: They were put off by the gangster language and bailed.
- 17:39Speaker 2: It was down to Drey and dj Yella, who'd made
- 17:41Speaker 2: the scene, Eric and O'sha. Then it happened. Drey somehow
- 17:46Speaker 2: convinced Eric to jump on the mic. After all, O'sha
- 17:50Speaker 2: wrote the song about him. It took some coaxing, but
- 17:53Speaker 2: ultimately he did it and was careful, patient producing. Drey
- 17:55Speaker 2: was able to ease his friend Eric Wright fully into
- 17:58Speaker 2: the character of eas Everything was there, the authentic gangster
- 18:02Speaker 2: drug dealing backstory, the man in black hip hop fashion,
- 18:05Speaker 2: that take no shit attitude.
- 18:06Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it work? And Drey was right?
- 18:09Speaker 2: The fully produced track was electric and once pressed and
- 18:13Speaker 2: distributed throughout La Through the strength of its hard beat,
- 18:16Speaker 2: the attitude and the vocal performance, and the authenticity and
- 18:19Speaker 2: reality it repped in its lyrics, the track Boys in
- 18:21Speaker 2: the Hood became an instant hit. kDa, the Redondo Beach
- 18:25Speaker 2: outfit that was one of the top not to mention,
- 18:27Speaker 2: one of the only rap friendly radio stations in America,
- 18:31Speaker 2: was flooded with requests. Within months, the newly minted Easy
- 18:34Speaker 2: E went from selling pressings out of his car to
- 18:37Speaker 2: a former distribution deal. Fuck that soft shit, The hard
- 18:40Speaker 2: stuff was where.
- 18:41Speaker 1: It was at.
- 18:42Speaker 2: All you had to do was go out on your
- 18:44Speaker 2: front ear and listen to the cars rolling by to
- 18:46Speaker 2: hear the influence of the track. It was everywhere in
- 18:49Speaker 2: South Central at the end of nineteen eighty seven. You
- 18:51Speaker 2: couldn't help but hear it as long as you were
- 18:53Speaker 2: listening outside during the day. At night, the lyrics stopped
- 18:57Speaker 2: and the story that the lyrics told began For real,
- 19:00Speaker 2: a big beat built from gunshots, ghetto bird choppers, batter
- 19:04Speaker 2: rams and police sirens, real life sounds, soundtracking life for
- 19:08Speaker 2: the citizens of South Central We'll be right back after
- 19:13Speaker 2: this word word word. At first, the chant from the
- 19:19Speaker 2: audience was familiar to Eric, We want easy, over and
- 19:23Speaker 2: over again, and he loved it.
- 19:25Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he?
- 19:27Speaker 2: It was validation for all the hard work and the
- 19:29Speaker 2: risk he took, investing a quarter million of his hard
- 19:32Speaker 2: earned street dollars into himself, his record label, and ultimately
- 19:35Speaker 2: the success of his group. He worked out his own
- 19:38Speaker 2: version of the American Dream for himself, but the adoring
- 19:42Speaker 2: chorus gave way to a different chant. It was also
- 19:45Speaker 2: a song title which showed that the crowd loved the
- 19:49Speaker 2: music they were putting out, But this one was less satisfying,
- 19:52Speaker 2: more jarring. It reminded him of something more menacing, confrontational.
- 19:57Speaker 2: It reminded him of the cops back in Compton as
- 20:00Speaker 2: it pulled them over. A Couple months back, he yanked
- 20:02Speaker 2: him from his vintage of ew Bug, the one with
- 20:04Speaker 2: the freaks come out at night, lettering airbrushed across the
- 20:07Speaker 2: back and slammed his face cheek, sat down hard under
- 20:10Speaker 2: the hood of the car, who then pulled him upright,
- 20:13Speaker 2: spun him around to face, and pressed the barrel of
- 20:15Speaker 2: a standard issue Block twenty two straight into Easy's temple.
- 20:19Speaker 2: They wanted the drugs, and they knew he was a dealer.
- 20:22Speaker 2: But what they didn't though, was that he'd cleaned up
- 20:24Speaker 2: his act and taken his talents to the music industry.
- 20:28Speaker 2: So the LAPD would walk away empty handed, but not
- 20:31Speaker 2: without making a point. Compton was their turf, not Easies,
- 20:35Speaker 2: local drug dealer or rapper or whatever the fuck. They
- 20:38Speaker 2: owned the night, They owned the streets, not him, and
- 20:41Speaker 2: for E, he was humiliating and if he was being honest,
- 20:45Speaker 2: scary as fuck. O'Shea was next to Easy on stage.
- 20:50Speaker 2: He was now going by the name Ice Cube. He
- 20:52Speaker 2: heard the same chant as E, but he had his
- 20:55Speaker 2: own memory, winding up his heart rate as the crowd
- 20:57Speaker 2: yelled back a phrase that he had written back to
- 21:00Speaker 2: the cops outside of the studio, as the members of
- 21:03Speaker 2: NWA had secluded themselves in to record their group's masterpiece,
- 21:07Speaker 2: an effort that took only eight weeks and cost only
- 21:09Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars to make. Those cops meant business just
- 21:13Speaker 2: like Cube did. Maybe They recognized something to him that
- 21:16Speaker 2: they saw in themselves, an unwillingness to take any shit
- 21:19Speaker 2: at all, which is why they braced him on the sidewalk,
- 21:22Speaker 2: and when he asked why they were questioning him, they
- 21:25Speaker 2: threw him to the pavement, stepped on the back of
- 21:27Speaker 2: his neck, and demanded to know why he was just
- 21:29Speaker 2: hanging out on the corner doing nothing, And they weren't
- 21:32Speaker 2: buying the truth. The Cube was taking a break from
- 21:34Speaker 2: the hard work and making a record, not until the
- 21:37Speaker 2: band's manager, Jerry Heller, a white man, came outside to
- 21:40Speaker 2: squash the b Even then, the cops refused to accept
- 21:44Speaker 2: the Cube was an actual musician. After all, rap was
- 21:47Speaker 2: a music, it was a fat Whatever it was, it
- 21:50Speaker 2: would save ice Cube from the rage roiling inside him
- 21:53Speaker 2: due to a lifetime of similar incidents just like this.
- 21:56Speaker 3: One.
- 21:57Speaker 2: Doctor dre hated the chant. It annoyed him. He just
- 22:00Speaker 2: wanted to make music. But the chant, something about the
- 22:02Speaker 2: pointed anger of it so direct aims straight at the
- 22:05Speaker 2: cops from back home, the same cops who did next
- 22:08Speaker 2: to nothing to protect his dead brother or to find
- 22:11Speaker 2: his killer, the ones who left them to bleed out
- 22:13Speaker 2: and die on the streets. Of Compton. Drey didn't want
- 22:15Speaker 2: the grief within him stirred, and that's all the Chant did.
- 22:19Speaker 2: Yell it didn't mind it. Neither did mc wren the
- 22:21Speaker 2: two other group members. They had their own baggage to
- 22:24Speaker 2: sort through, and the Chant did to them what it
- 22:26Speaker 2: did to the others, forced them to remember where.
- 22:28Speaker 1: They came from.
- 22:29Speaker 2: How fucked up Life on the streets of Compton was
- 22:32Speaker 2: pure violence, deadly gang members and deadly cops, a violent
- 22:36Speaker 2: vice that squeezed you into submission. The cops scared them
- 22:40Speaker 2: more than the bloods and the crips, though, but at
- 22:42Speaker 2: least to the gang bangers. NWA were now celebrities and
- 22:45Speaker 2: not to be fucked with. Within reason. They were NWA
- 22:48Speaker 2: Compton's greatest exports since Dennis Johnson, who at the time
- 22:51Speaker 2: was busy helping the Boston Celtics gang entry into yet
- 22:54Speaker 2: another Eastern Conference finals.
- 22:56Speaker 1: But I Digress.
- 22:57Speaker 2: NWA was easy East brainchild supergroup that included all of
- 23:01Speaker 2: the men currently standing on stage next to e plus
- 23:04Speaker 2: lyricists The Doc. They were now NWA, and they were
- 23:08Speaker 2: a supergroup with attitude the idea of a posse. This
- 23:11Speaker 2: deep was easiest and their first real album Straight Out
- 23:15Speaker 2: of Compton was Drey's sonic vision reality wraps over Heartbeats
- 23:18Speaker 2: come to life and album for him over sixty minutes,
- 23:21Speaker 2: and it was as hard to ignore as fresh spray
- 23:23Speaker 2: from an AK forty seven. It's opening salvo, you are
- 23:27Speaker 2: now about to witness the strength the street knowledge quickly
- 23:30Speaker 2: smacks you in the face and then pummels you with
- 23:33Speaker 2: a sledgehammer beat that somehow also grooves while cue Easy
- 23:37Speaker 2: and Ren kickoff verse after verse at the verse with
- 23:40Speaker 2: the line straight out of Compton, detailing of life spent
- 23:43Speaker 2: dodging violent cops in.
- 23:44Speaker 1: The streets of their homehood.
- 23:46Speaker 2: There's no mistaking where these dudes were from, and that
- 23:49Speaker 2: wasn't an accident. Dre and E wanted to rep their hometown,
- 23:52Speaker 2: just like East Coast rappers rep theirs, except Compton wasn't
- 23:56Speaker 2: exactly the same as Hall as Queen's or the Bronx.
- 23:59Speaker 1: Compton was a war.
- 24:00Speaker 2: So to properly do it justice, NWA relied on their
- 24:04Speaker 2: own experiences in the street reality that they faced on
- 24:07Speaker 2: a daily basis to inform their lyrics that meant violence, drugs,
- 24:13Speaker 2: crooked cops, and backward misogynist attitudes toward women. Aka Bitches
- 24:17Speaker 2: and Hose with no sugarcoating. They spit it out all
- 24:21Speaker 2: over beats that hit you hard and peppered everything with
- 24:23Speaker 2: humor they learned from the blue comedy records of Rudy
- 24:26Speaker 2: Ray Moore and Red Fox at their.
- 24:27Speaker 1: Parents vibd on.
- 24:29Speaker 2: To an adolescent music fan in nineteen eighty eight, it
- 24:32Speaker 2: all added up to something as infectious, if not more so,
- 24:35Speaker 2: than Aerosmith or Guns n' Roses or any other mainstream
- 24:38Speaker 2: rock blanketing airways at the time. The violence and profanity
- 24:42Speaker 2: depicted in the lyrics made it almost impossible for radio
- 24:46Speaker 2: to get behind the album, and MTV outright banned their
- 24:49Speaker 2: first videos, but it didn't matter.
- 24:51Speaker 1: The record was too good, the lyrics too real.
- 24:54Speaker 2: Through the power of strong distribution for easies, new record label,
- 24:58Speaker 2: ruthless records, and even wrong or word of mouth, news
- 25:02Speaker 2: of this new type of wild rap or reality rap,
- 25:04Speaker 2: or what the press was fast calling gangster rap, spread
- 25:07Speaker 2: quick not only through urban neighborhoods and schools, but through
- 25:11Speaker 2: lily white suburban neighborhoods and small towns all across America.
- 25:15Speaker 2: And of course the gang bangers loved it too. It
- 25:19Speaker 2: was their world come to life on record. But what
- 25:22Speaker 2: made NWA so revolutionary is that they embraced the persona
- 25:26Speaker 2: of the gangsters. They weren't objectifying the gang violence they
- 25:29Speaker 2: saw in their neighborhoods, they were personifying it.
- 25:32Speaker 1: They were the bad guys.
- 25:34Speaker 2: Long before Tony Soprano or Walter White, five kids from
- 25:37Speaker 2: Compton made it okay to root for the bad guys.
- 25:40Speaker 2: They were the protagonists, the antagonists.
- 25:43Speaker 4: The lapd over on the East Coast public enemy may
- 25:47Speaker 4: have been bringing the noise by commenting on the social
- 25:49Speaker 4: injustice they saw, but NWA was cutting through the noise
- 25:53Speaker 4: by playing the part of the villain, wearing the black hat,
- 25:56Speaker 4: shooting down the cops and the raps, dealing weight in
- 25:59Speaker 4: their raps, beating down rivals in the wraps, a first
- 26:02Speaker 4: person fucking of the system.
- 26:04Speaker 2: NWA had had enough enough with the drive bys and
- 26:07Speaker 2: the senseless murders, enough with the police harassment, enough with
- 26:11Speaker 2: the lack of opportunity.
- 26:12Speaker 1: But they didn't play the victim card.
- 26:14Speaker 2: They took a truly defiant stance, redefined the theater of ward,
- 26:18Speaker 2: fought back through music, and made their way through their
- 26:21Speaker 2: own fucked up reality by any means necessary. A model
- 26:24Speaker 2: coined by Malcolm X, stolen by Daryl Gates, and stolen
- 26:27Speaker 2: back by NWA. American teenagers ate it up. They sold
- 26:32Speaker 2: millions of copies of Straight Out of Content, and Easye
- 26:35Speaker 2: was laughing to himself with the absurdity of it all.
- 26:38Speaker 2: But not everybody thought it was funny. The lapd were pissed,
- 26:42Speaker 2: as were their police brethren throughout the country, and tonight
- 26:45Speaker 2: here in Detroit at the Joe Louis Arena, in front
- 26:48Speaker 2: of upwards of twenty thousand people, it all seemed to
- 26:51Speaker 2: be coming to a head. While Easye, Ice Cube, Doctor
- 26:56Speaker 2: dre Yella and mc wren sat on stage letting the
- 26:59Speaker 2: chant of Fuck the Police rained down on them in
- 27:01Speaker 2: front of twenty thousand strong they could feel the tension.
- 27:05Speaker 2: They could see it in the eyes of the cops
- 27:06Speaker 2: and the crowd there ostensibly to protect the band, though
- 27:10Speaker 2: it felt like they were there more to intimidate and
- 27:12Speaker 2: to oppress. NWA was warned before the show not to
- 27:15Speaker 2: play their song Fuck the Police.
- 27:18Speaker 1: The song had.
- 27:18Speaker 2: Sparked a nationwide debate over NWA's claims of police brutality
- 27:22Speaker 2: and of what life was really like in the streets
- 27:25Speaker 2: they grew up on were gangster rappers really rapping the
- 27:28Speaker 2: reality of their surroundings or were they just cashing in
- 27:30Speaker 2: on the profanity and violence. Police forces around the country
- 27:34Speaker 2: took the song in its direct title as an affront,
- 27:37Speaker 2: many of them refusing to provide security for the group
- 27:40Speaker 2: while they were on tour the lyrics were too controversial.
- 27:44Speaker 2: The lyrics go on to detail Ice Cube's first person
- 27:46Speaker 2: account of crooked lapd and the justified beating on in
- 27:50Speaker 2: quote unquote slaughter of the police. The lyrics were a
- 27:53Speaker 2: live wire, and on this night in particular, the tension
- 27:56Speaker 2: in the room made it feel like the song if
- 27:58Speaker 2: the group decided to play it might inside a riot.
- 28:02Speaker 2: The crowd would not stop channing the title over and over.
- 28:06Speaker 2: It was deafening and inspiring. It was time for the
- 28:10Speaker 2: group to kick into one of their other songs. Gangsta
- 28:13Speaker 2: Easy was ready. Cube was hoping for something more, and
- 28:16Speaker 2: Drey was milling about, hovering over his tables on stage.
- 28:20Speaker 1: Yella, as always, was dutifully.
- 28:22Speaker 2: Awaiting direction from Dre, and Wren was wondering what the
- 28:25Speaker 2: fuck was with the delay, and the crowd kept chanting.
- 28:28Speaker 2: Cops were now nervously making their way through the audience
- 28:31Speaker 2: to the front of the stage, some of them uniformed,
- 28:33Speaker 2: most of them undercover. There on the scene in the
- 28:36Speaker 2: crowd to prevent whatever the fuck was about to happen
- 28:38Speaker 2: from happening, and Drey's eyes caught Cubes across the stage.
- 28:42Speaker 2: He motioned him closer, and when he got into earshot,
- 28:45Speaker 2: Drey asked, you ready. Cube said nothing, just gave him
- 28:49Speaker 2: an approving scowl and a defiant nod. Dray shouted, come
- 28:53Speaker 2: in on the two, then fuck the police. The crowd
- 28:58Speaker 2: lost itself, every word back in Acube's face. Cops looked
- 29:03Speaker 2: visibly scared. They were outnumbered by the tens of thousands.
- 29:07Speaker 2: The song was killing and worth every ounce of bullshit
- 29:10Speaker 2: it brought on because it was real. You could tell
- 29:12Speaker 2: from the response it was undeniable. Kids loved it because
- 29:16Speaker 2: it tapped into something totally authentic, totally unique. It was
- 29:19Speaker 2: a look into an American reality that was underreported in
- 29:22Speaker 2: the media. It was a crisis, this reality of gangs
- 29:25Speaker 2: and abusive cops, a cycle of violence that made it
- 29:28Speaker 2: near impossible to find your way through to the American dream.
- 29:32Speaker 2: And it was pissed the fuck off, just like nearly
- 29:34Speaker 2: everyone in the audience, which is why the crowd began
- 29:37Speaker 2: to riot. The sound of gunshots or what was later
- 29:40Speaker 2: learned to be firecrackers set the riot off. Yello heard
- 29:43Speaker 2: them first on stage and quickly fled, Fuck this, no
- 29:47Speaker 2: protest song was worth dying for. The rest of the
- 29:49Speaker 2: group followed suit, trying to escape backstage while the crowd
- 29:53Speaker 2: tor shit up in the house. But the members of
- 29:55Speaker 2: NWA were quickly corralled by the local cops and hauled
- 29:58Speaker 2: in for inciting a riot. But in the end it
- 30:02Speaker 2: all worked out. The Detroit cops were not like the
- 30:05Speaker 2: cops back home. They were more interested in autographs for
- 30:08Speaker 2: their kids than they were pressing charges. It seemed like
- 30:11Speaker 2: they had arrested them just to prove they could, and
- 30:13Speaker 2: the group was quickly let go. Cube even joke to
- 30:17Speaker 2: the cops, maybe we can produce a song for you
- 30:19Speaker 2: guys called fuck n W A Fuck the Police is
- 30:37Speaker 2: the greatest protest song in the history of music period.
- 30:41Speaker 2: No other song got to the point quicker and or
- 30:43Speaker 2: had a greater impact. You can come into my podcast
- 30:47Speaker 2: studio and stand on my desk and yell at me
- 30:49Speaker 2: about Woody Guthrie and Bob Dylan and Sam Cook and
- 30:51Speaker 2: Joe Strummer, and Hell even Public Enemy, but named one
- 30:55Speaker 2: song by any of those artists that generated a formal response,
- 30:58Speaker 2: a thinly veiled threat from the United States Government, the FBI.
- 31:03Speaker 1: You can't.
- 31:04Speaker 2: The letter the FBI wrote to Ruthless Records reads, in part,
- 31:07Speaker 2: a song recorded by NWA encourages violence against and disrespect
- 31:12Speaker 2: for law enforcement, advocating violence and assault is wrong. Seventy
- 31:16Speaker 2: seven law enforcement officers were feloniously slain in the line
- 31:20Speaker 2: of duty in nineteen eighty eight. Law enforcement officers dedicate
- 31:23Speaker 2: their lives to the protection of our citizens, and recordings
- 31:27Speaker 2: such as this one from NWA are degrading to these brave,
- 31:30Speaker 2: dedicated officers. I wanted you to be aware of the
- 31:33Speaker 2: FBI's position relative to this song and its message. I
- 31:37Speaker 2: believe my views reflect the opinion of the entire law
- 31:39Speaker 2: enforcement community, Signed Milt Altrich, Assistant Director, Office of Public Affairs,
- 31:45Speaker 2: Federal Bureau of Investigation, US Department of Justice. The FBI
- 31:51Speaker 2: response was that apex of criticism and heat NWA caught
- 31:55Speaker 2: from the song. Critics throughout the country railed against the group.
- 31:59Speaker 2: Criticism of the cops, it was stated over and over again,
- 32:02Speaker 2: was a fabrication and exaggeration and way over the line
- 32:06Speaker 2: nothing more than sensationalism contrived to sell records. But ice
- 32:10Speaker 2: Cube and the rest of the group held firm in
- 32:12Speaker 2: the face of their critics. They knew what their reality was.
- 32:15Speaker 2: They knew that Daryl Gates and the LAPD, at least
- 32:18Speaker 2: the cops policing the neighborhoods they came up on were
- 32:21Speaker 2: corrupt and violent, and then NWA or not, the world
- 32:24Speaker 2: would soon know their shocking reality. George Holiday, for one,
- 32:28Speaker 2: was shocked, shocked at what he'd seen firsthand and caught
- 32:32Speaker 2: on videotape, shocked that the police would do that, and
- 32:35Speaker 2: also shocked that CNN was not interested. So he got
- 32:39Speaker 2: himself a meeting quickly with an enterprising reporter at KTLA,
- 32:43Speaker 2: the local Los Angeles television station. When he arrived, the
- 32:47Speaker 2: newsroom was a buzz. Magic Johnson's Lakers were on a
- 32:50Speaker 2: run and heading toward what was expected to be an
- 32:52Speaker 2: epic NBA Finals showdown against the freak Michael Jordan. Holiday
- 32:57Speaker 2: and the reporter entered a bear conference room. Holiday found
- 33:00Speaker 2: himself nervous, chatty, and recounting unprompted the events that led
- 33:03Speaker 2: him to the KTLA newsroom that day. It was a
- 33:06Speaker 2: helicopter that got my attention. It was too low. I
- 33:09Speaker 2: lived by the highway, so I hear them, but never
- 33:11Speaker 2: that low. And then there were the sirens and the cruisers.
- 33:14Speaker 2: I looked up my window and realized they were all
- 33:16Speaker 2: outside my door, right across the street. So I grabbed
- 33:19Speaker 2: my camcorder, brand new, not even out of the box.
- 33:22Speaker 2: I just hit the little button and pointed. I was
- 33:24Speaker 2: out on my balcony, so I had a straight shot.
- 33:26Speaker 2: CNN doesn't want it, says they can't run it, says
- 33:29Speaker 2: it's too much. I thought you guys might be able
- 33:31Speaker 2: to use it, and the reporter said nothing, just fidgeted
- 33:35Speaker 2: with the wires behind the television in the VCR. But
- 33:38Speaker 2: when he was done, he slid the VHS tape that
- 33:40Speaker 2: had Holidays so worked up out from the Manila envelope
- 33:43Speaker 2: and popped it into the VCR. And that sound plastic
- 33:47Speaker 2: hitting plastic, then the cartridge sliding back into the console,
- 33:52Speaker 2: the VHS tape in his grip, the creak of the
- 33:55Speaker 2: tape heads and spinning gears, the anticipatory sound of it
- 33:58Speaker 2: all had George Holiday's heart in his throat. The reporter
- 34:01Speaker 2: was calm, sitting back in his chair, notebook in his lap,
- 34:05Speaker 2: penned between his lips, staring at the TV. The sounds
- 34:09Speaker 2: of the KTLA newsroom keyboards clacking away, telephones ringing, pagers buzzing,
- 34:14Speaker 2: angry editors shouting, began to fall away as the sound
- 34:18Speaker 2: of the home video Holiday capture began to fully transfer
- 34:21Speaker 2: from the VHS tape to the tiny television speakers. Helicopters, sirens,
- 34:26Speaker 2: muffled shouting, and then the image came to life of
- 34:29Speaker 2: the TV screen. To accompany the sound, Holiday watched the
- 34:33Speaker 2: reporter lean in, transfixed its dark out nighttime. A white
- 34:39Speaker 2: Hyundai on the side of the road, three of its
- 34:42Speaker 2: four doors opened. A man, a black man, presumably his owner,
- 34:45Speaker 2: lying on the ground above him, four white Los Angeles
- 34:49Speaker 2: police officers above them, a helicopter shouting down, its powerful
- 34:54Speaker 2: floodlight on the scene, in effect providing big budget action
- 34:58Speaker 2: film quality lighting for George Holiday and his camera perched
- 35:01Speaker 2: a few yards away on his deck, videotaping the beating
- 35:04Speaker 2: that would set his city on fire, A beating that
- 35:07Speaker 2: shocked Americans, but a beating that did not shock NWA.
- 35:11Speaker 2: It was a beating they'd warned us about over and
- 35:14Speaker 2: over again on straight out of Compton. The sound of
- 35:17Speaker 2: their account on record was shocking, sure, but it was
- 35:20Speaker 2: nowhere near as shocking is the sound of the real thing,
- 35:23Speaker 2: the sound of a defenseless black man, a man whose
- 35:26Speaker 2: name America would soon come to know as Rodney King,
- 35:29Speaker 2: being struck fifty six times with batons by a gang
- 35:32Speaker 2: of white thugs, young, angry, violent, heavily armed LA cops,
- 35:39Speaker 2: defenseless on the ground, writhing in pain, struck fifty six times.
- 35:47Speaker 3: Anything the evidence is new, it's dramatic behind its devastating.
- 35:51Speaker 3: Of those Los Angeles police officers involved in the March
- 35:54Speaker 3: third beating, the dreck white coverage, one of.
- 35:56Speaker 1: The two officers was nearly the times that evening. That's
- 36:00Speaker 1: a got to be arrest, another call, saying sounds almost
- 36:04Speaker 1: as exciting as the last call. It was right out
- 36:07Speaker 1: of gorillas in the midst there's a professional organization.
- 36:10Speaker 5: Where do you think we are?
- 36:14Speaker 3: The the phrump that they tho becon King was high
- 36:39Speaker 3: on road and resist being arrest things that they never left.
- 36:44Speaker 1: I think it's a disgraced.
- 36:47Speaker 5: It's a professional organization. What do you think we are?
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