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The Animal's Voice - How Do I Get My Horse Ready For The Olympics?, With Mateusz Pabijanek & Upsi · The Animals Voice

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing he shows me is a stick, it's not a whip but a stick literally, a stick, a wooden stick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he shows me that they introduced a stick like a broomstick in front of his front legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if that makes sense to you, he's very reactive and almost
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[SPEAKER_02]: over exaggerates the the front legs when he needs to jump even though it was like 30 centimeters he would lift like he had to jump to two meters and for sure he's always making more speed when he comes to the jump so it also I was thinking that maybe he he's a little bit stressed when he is going to the jump he always goes he wants to go but he's making it faster he wants it to be
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever heard the word in Danish we would call we "bar" bar I I have seen this is horrible But I have to be honest in the equine industry because some people are good You seem very polite and very heart felt you know as a rider
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[SPEAKER_01]: but you know the industry as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know it's a rough business and some people use that barring with glass, you know, to make the horses understand, you're going to cut yourself if you don't raise your, you know, the front leg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this is the animal's voice with Ditte Young.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They comfort us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They protect us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They change us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if they could also speak to us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the animal's voice, hosted by Ditte Young, internationally renowned animal communicator, telepath, licensed therapist, intuitive coach, and best-selling author.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Each week you'll hear extraordinary stories of connection, healing, love, loss, and transformation through the eyes of the animals who share our lives, stories that challenge what we think we know, stories that open our hearts, stories that remind us we may never have been as separate as we believed, because every animal has a voice, and every voice deserves to be heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this week's episode of the Animal's Voice, I will meet the National Team Rider Mateusz Pabijanek from Poland, and he has the most important question from any elite rider in the Equestrian sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, who triggers whom?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the rider who triggers the horse or is the horse who triggers the rider?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mateusz can't see any patterns in the behavioral issues with his horse Upsi, and he'll better understand Upsi by communicating with him to telepathically through me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the animal's voice with Ditte Young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, and welcome to the animal's voice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Ditte, can you introduce yourself?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, I'm Mateusz Pabijanek
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm national eventing team rider from Poland.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I work as a dentist and yeah, almost call entire life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm working with horses and trying to be a good rider.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what are your goals?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the Olympics or what kind of goals do you have in the equine sport?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like I really wish to participate in The Olympics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is my dream.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We will see what life will bring to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the journey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What level have you been riding on now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like three star, five star,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was competing with one of my first on the 4th star level and I have a bunch of horses which are still pretty young and we all get experience so hopefully in the future we will compete in the 5th star Can you explain to the listeners what is eventing in Poland?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Eventing is like really triathlon for the horses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have like three disciplines, it's all in discipline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dresssage, cross country, so we have obstacles in the forest in the fields and show jumping.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the result is from all the free phases and it takes at least three days to compete in this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in many Scandinavian countries, it is known as military.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just so, you know, other people know it as you were riding the discipline called military, but in the U.S., and other countries we call it, eventing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three days event, I think, because I think from the history, it starts in the military.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why it stays the name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and can you introduce your horse?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who am I going to help today?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Upsi, he's nine years old, he's a gelding, the grey one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's quite new in my squad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know each other only for around one and a half month.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was competing and the
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[SPEAKER_02]: the other riders called him complicated and I wish I will communicate with him better after a session because he is such a nice guy, he has a really nice personality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't understand him, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what made you choose telepathy and Animal communication as a solution?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was working with a lot of young courses, difficult ones, but with this one, I think I have not enough knowledge to find a good way to communicate with him, like, or traditional
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[SPEAKER_02]: they don't work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So and I've heard from my friends about you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She recommended me you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've listened to a few podcasts and I said, okay, this is the I think I need to try it like, why not?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you see yourself as a spiritual person or just an open-minded person or a desperate person?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm open-minded, like, am I desparate, like, maybe a little bit?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm open-minded, like, I've never thought I will try it to be honest, but I said, okay, why not?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We live on Earth, the galaxy is huge, like the energy is everywhere, like so, you know, I've never had enough knowledge about this, so maybe that's why I wasn't thinking about it before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the behavior of Upsi?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is in a stable, he is really chill, usually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is really polite, he is a cookie monster, he loves to hug, and it can be the same when you ride him, but sometimes in really different situations, he is going out of the riding arena.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to convince him to stay, he's standing on the two hoofs, he's getting angry, he's running a little bit, and he is, I was thinking maybe he wants to go to horses or maybe I do something wrong that he's not comfortable with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, with other words, to better understand this, there are no patterns in the behavior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot put a pressure on Upsi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He will escape whenever he sees the chance to escape when life becomes difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't understand what is the reason for his behavior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that correct?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On the beginning, I have to say, I felt that his belly is little bit tense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've checked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has some ulcer problems.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we immediately started treatment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's already more than one month on many comments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what came first, the chicken or the egg, the ulcer and the behavior or the behavior and the ulcer?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this is the animal's voice with Ditte Young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So are you ready?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a headshot of Upsi and a full body picture you have emailed my team on my computer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I'll do is I will just close my eyes for three seconds and tune in to Upsi by looking him into his eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Often times when I do telepathy, I always do it very strategically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, for the listeners, you will observe or listen to the method I do is basically the same over and over again, but the result is very different because each animal comes with a different story, and with different not agendas, but they can have a different need.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going in that direction or that direction, but my job is basically the same each time I communicate with an animal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have listened to other episodes, so I do hope it makes sense to you, Matti, that it's the same thing I asked them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the animal's voice with Ditte Young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But to begin with, I meet this very, very royal, magestical energy as I see as almost a king and I lose my breath like, holy crap, he's only, I think you have said nine years old, but he feels like an old, old grandfather to me energetically, like he's 85.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's really calm in the table when he, when you look at him, you know that he's really, I don't know the English word, but yes, Royale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very, very noble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are invited into my castle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, holy shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm telling him, who?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost have to focus on not becoming insecure right now because he's that secure in himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is very interesting because it says a lot about he needs a very stable, focused, and confident writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, does this make sense to you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, like, I spoke about Upsi with a lot of people and with other riders and everyone is saying that he's doing it because he can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is the very first energy I meet when I connect with him telepathically and I'm asking him I guess you're the king, but do you see yourself in any other personality profiles and to you Matti and to listeners I've created a book called what the horse whispers and I have online lessons about this if that has your interest, but shortly they are called the playful, the sensitive,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the king already figured out and I'm asking Upsi do you recognize yourself in any other profiles and he says A little bit in the playful one definitely sensitive one king and I do have It's not a trauma, but he has something from his past.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to communicate about So I will talk you through each and one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Matti.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Yes
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said a little bit, a little bit playful, very sensitive, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I asked him, what about that little playful?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean by that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says, ah, I enjoy that everything is fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It needs to be fun, which means energetically, if I have a rider Upsi says who's too ambitious or too strict, who's too coming in with too much pressure
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna turn up my volume until the, until my rider.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want ambitions if that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he actually mirrors and increases and exaggerates the energy you're coming with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is also interesting, Matti.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if this is true, if you're coming in with a playful heart, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have nothing to lose, let's just take the jumps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do 120, you can do 125, whoo, it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he feels at ease because he will pick up on the energy, it is fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, super important because I am ambitious, for sure, I try to be playful, like I like what I'm doing, and what I am doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for sure, I'm ambitious, that this is really important information for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can't fake it, Matti.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't say, you know, let's have fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And win that shit now, you can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Either you can find the fun or you can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's very important for me to let you know, you can't fake fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he said sensitive and we know for sure that is your quote, his sensitive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I ask him how are you sensitive just a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says, uh, I get easily confused because I have the king.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we need to, you need to understand, Matti, what the king actually is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My king, he says, um, is a leader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be able to watch and observe what everyone is doing around me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With other words, I need control of situations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I dislike when people are just walking passing me by in the stable and not communicating with me, then my ears will go down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will look at them like, whew, why are you passing me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you communicate?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You pass my box.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, so it would be easier for me and I would be way more polite if people could tell me I'm bringing in the bucket with food and then they can bring it into the stable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense to you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I observe him and for sure he's watching everyone in everywhere where he is and he's really getting angry when for example others are going out and he's staying then he's getting nervous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he is watching everyone everywhere for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The king on the throne.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go left but if I'm not asked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get very upset, you know, that's the king, I am, he says.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you combine that with me being sensitive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I experience everything times a thousand, you know, when I compare myself as you as a person, are you as a human being, when I eat, I eat, I listen to my own sounds, I can hear the other horses next to me in the stable, I can smell what the foods met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, with other words, he's just in his five senses here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very in the now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I don't want to be disturbed when I eat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says like an old grandpa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he will leave and may I interrupt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's eating really slowly and he's enjoying it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can see it when you watch him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like...
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[SPEAKER_01]: enjoying my food, bring, presence here, and people should just shut their mouth, don't walk, don't speak, shut off the radio, I might tell you again to the grooms or the people working at the stable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: During dinner time, when it comes to Upsi, shut off all music if possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, I'm asking him and you said, some trauma, I remember, you know, I seem to recall you said some trauma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so he says that during my upbringing, you know, the breeder, the breeder's place, it was a huge place, a huge farm with a lot of horses, and he shows me a stable with a lot of horses running in and out, and I don't know it was
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they had free access to a paddock or free access to the field, but it literally feels like we have in Denmark Cattels and then you open a gate and the Cattels can run out in the field and we have 24 horses running out or running in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, that was my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had more freedom, but it was also very stressful to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to ask you, do you know, if he grew up in a very huge farm that where he had free access to the field?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I don't know anything about when he was a foal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea, where he was born.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that in UK for sure, but I have no idea how it was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, okay, but thank you, but to me as the outsider, this is freedom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He shows me a beautiful environment, but in his world it felt stressful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is the first thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The second thing he says is that when he was trained, I think he started out and I don't know about eventing horses when you usually start training them, but he says I was introduced to the training already at three
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in Denmark, that would have been a year or one year too early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just know that he was competing for sure when he was five because I found the records.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't check it like before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's possible that he started three sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They start at three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very young age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But regardless, he shows me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was very young when I started the training and I didn't understand what they wanted me to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing he shows me is...
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[SPEAKER_01]: is a stick, it's not a whip, but a stick literally a stick, a wooden stick, and he shows me that they introduced a stick like a broomstick in front of his front legs to make him understand, you need to raise the front leg, and then he not smashed the front legs, they just literally held a broomstick in front of him, stop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Left good boy stop left good boy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very mechanical Do you understand what and I have never seen a training sessions like this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe if that makes sense to you He's very reactive and and almost Over exaggerates the the front legs when he needs to jump even though it was like 30 centimeters He would lift like he had to jump two meters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes yes and for sure he's always making more speed when he comes to the jump so it also can I was thinking that maybe he's a little bit stressed when he is going to the jump he always goes he wants to go but he's making it faster all the time he wants it to be over with I'm thinking about this have you ever heard the word in Danish we would call we "bar" them yeah yeah I've heard
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never did it, but maybe they did it in the past, I have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they did Matti, because that explains a lot about, let's just get this over with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have seen this as horrible, but I have to be honest in the equine industry, because some people are good, you seem very polite and very heart-felt, you know, as a writer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know the industry as well, you know, it's a rough business and some people use that barring with glass, you know, to make the horses understand You're going to cut yourself if you don't raise your, you know, the front legs But what Upsi shows me is they did not put any barb wire or a glass, broken glass around the stick It was just the stick, but it was enough for me to understand
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[SPEAKER_01]: I better raise my front legs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the first stressor and the first trauma he shows me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally tell Upsi, I'm sorry about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry that they started out a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Too early if this is true, and I'm sorry that they used a method on you which you didn't understand We understand that as human beings, but it maybe it was unnecessary and he says it was unnecessary because it was not fun And I need everything to be fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He says all right, and now he's already a bit softer from the royal majestical
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[SPEAKER_01]: energy he's more like a little child who says it's not fun playing with people and I tell him what can make it more fun and he says that I am connected and now we come to the relationship with you Matti that he says that you have more time when you when you enter the stable
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[SPEAKER_01]: don't be distracted by other people, be present with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I deserve your time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My time is so short, and it's important that you don't talk with other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're good at it, but you can be even better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I need to focus more on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of, yes, because a lot of people are curious to talk with you, communicate with you when you are in the stable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, but you know what, I've been waiting for you the entire day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you give me one hour?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And isn't that fair enough?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is so like, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does this feel like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it too rough on you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you get emotional and annoyed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does this make you feel?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I like, I'm quite a talkative person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I talk out with everyone, so it's absolutely true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if he observe it and he wants more my attention, I will for sure, I will try to focus more on and spend more time with him for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I have grown, so...
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not brushing him, so maybe the most time I'm riding him so when we spend together, but okay, I need to change.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would recommend you doing it and within a week you'll see a change result, otherwise call me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking him, and what about Matti?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm sitting here with him, let me communicate everything you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just be honest, and you know me by now if you have listened to other episodes, I'm very honest, very, very honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you handle it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's bring it on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, give it to me, Upsi, what do you have to say?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I love you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love you more than you think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I ask him, what do you love about him?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, I love that you are very polite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are very decent person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are always polite with other people and you expect them to be polite to you too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what comes around, goes around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is almost like a moral standard of yours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to understand that you and I could be the best friends ever and soulmates because we basically radiate from the same energy.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I have told you that what you see is what you get and I mirror what you do and he says think thoroughly Matt about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You work the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are very polite when people are polite and you become extremely upset if people are pissing you off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same energy we have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, you're not yeah to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're giving people a lot of space and a lot of time to make mistakes or I'm sorry, be an asshole, but only the third time they strike, then get out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely true! Amazing!
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I always said that I have really short, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Leash. Yeah, yeah.
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That's temperament, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a huge heart and if you cross this line, I'm going to explode and then we are done.
27:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I think about Upsi now, he is the same
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is changed so fast, mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: there you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what he says.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could be soulmates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you start believing that we are the same and if you do pressure or you do the leg yield on me, I would start the first time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a bit annoying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand what you are doing here, Matti.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The second time you put the pressure on the reins and the seat, like forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was strike two Matti and the third time I will try to kick you off and he says because I understand what you're trying to tell me but I have my reasons for not doing what I'm being told to do.
28:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I ask him let's do that you have any last Upsi messages to Matti because you mentioned earlier
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[SPEAKER_01]: playful and I told Matti you can't fake it.
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So do you have any tips for Matti here before we will move on to some technical writing issues here just a second.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels as if energetically, Upsi shows me images of you as a child growing up too fast that you had to prove yourself fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you have a brother or a bigger brother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A younger, 7-year-old younger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, a younger brother, sorry, but you have a brother.
29:20
[SPEAKER_02]: But I have also a brother in law.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which we were comparing by our grand mother a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was, I'm sorry, but he had better results in school, a better career, and front of him everything was just going super fine for your brother-in-law.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you were not, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to explain this Matti, but I think you understand what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that you were the loser or the black sheep in the family, but inside of yourself, Upsi shows me, something was activated in you at the age around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 14, 15 years old because you were quite an annoying teenager and you told yourself I don't want to become a loser.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to win to prove and I get emotional now that they're wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am worthy of their love.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this make sense to you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like...
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I think about pasts, yeah, I got ambitious and I think I stay like this up-to-date, like, I told you I'm really ambitious and there was a time in the past with my school times that we work so much
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always heard that he got in English A, I got me blah blah blah blah and maybe I didn't realize that it sits here in me, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was absolutely affecting me for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember when your ambition started?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think from the first competition on the, I started riding when I was around 14, 15, and yeah, that was what he said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to be good in it, like, I was dreaming, like I think every child was dreaming about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course, okay, but that makes sense because Upsi said it started around 15, 16 years old Your ambitions and you became going from being playful and this is fun writing is fun to
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are not riding for the fun of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're riding for the win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm not going to lose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going going for the gold medal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've forgotten about play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was fun.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that I always exaggerate the energy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you are ambitious, I become over ambitious.
32:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I get tensed up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which means if you lower your expectations, I get ambitious enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: for you and I.
32:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you could look at it as, you know, a weight or, you know, the scale if you get over ambitious, I refuse becoming ambitious.
32:37
[SPEAKER_01]: If you lower your ambitions, I will become ambitious because it's in my blood, Matti.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am a born winner.
32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm going to do specifically, Matti, if that's okay, I'm going to provide you with a tip here.
32:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I would just today, if you train him today, sit, I'm hit, you know, when you're in the saddle and you're seated, just tell Upsi, you know what, I'm going to give the result to you.
33:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to sit back forward and just see how it goes.
33:09
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing at stake today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, okay, let's do what you do.
33:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I always have a plan for the right, that's maybe wrong, I see.
33:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I ask him, is that wrong that Matti has a plan for the right?
33:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that is exactly what I would recommend any rider.
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a plan, you know, and he needs a very confident rider.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm talking about energy, Upsi says, because the plan is visualization, I have planned you're doing that many steps in the truck, you're doing that many steps in the canter then we are taking the right volte, we're doing two double sections of a jump.
33:51
[SPEAKER_01]: All this is in your head and he says, but what I am talking about here Matti is energetically, I don't give a beep and I still gonna go with my plan.
34:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't put energy in it.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, do this, do this, do this, do this.
34:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But more like we're taking the trot, we're taking the canter, we're taking the double, we're taking the jumps, that energy.
34:18
[SPEAKER_02]: So chill, relax, no pressure, just more fun.
34:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm understanding correct.
34:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and you can only reach that point, if I'm correct here, if you have nothing to lose, and if you're fully present, if you forget about your grooming, girl guy in the stable, you brush him, you take your time.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to worry about the two, three other horses, you need to ride that specific day.
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to break the code with Upsi.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is one way to do it.
34:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask him so you have a different issue here, Upsi, because Matti has told me that with too much pressure you are standing on your hind leg or you're trying to escape, then you want to enter a trailer or transport transportation, and then you refuse to do it, and Matti can't see any patterns in your behavior.
35:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a pattern, Upsi?
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I ask him.
35:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It's different situations, he says.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: He says when my training starts in the stable, and if there have been many horses that comes in and out the stable, or especially if the barrier, you know, the blacksmith?
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[SPEAKER_01]: has been there loud noises.
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more stressed up that day.
35:50
[SPEAKER_01]: The more sounds around me, the more amped up I am on that specific day, which means on the good days, where he's more at ease and more balanced, that has been more silence around him before you're sitting in saddle.
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the first thing.
36:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he says, if we have
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: three, four are the horses in the arena.
36:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I always look at the entrance like I can't.
36:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't be in here as opposed to being in there by myself is better.
36:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay so he prepares to be um he prefers to be on.
36:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen that pattern, Matti, that he works better alone?
36:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about it and for sure I think maybe you can ask him because he's getting stressed when horse leave the riding place and I didn't see the difference I mostly rode him alone sometimes I rode him with other horses but when horse leaves he's getting angry exactly and I only saw this behaviour
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but then you have already observed that it's a distraction.
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know the king on the throne, that was the first, you go left, you go right, I decide to have full perspective of each and everyone.
37:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's annoying because nobody communicated, wher is he going, why she's taking him out, then I can't focus on telepathically be with the other horses and be focused on my training.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And I recommend you to not let people in and out or horses in and out when you have those 45, 30 minutes with them, or if that's necessary, communicated, like we do with sensitive horses, opening gates and then we open gates, right?
37:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Or horse coming in, horse coming out, I would just communicate it.
37:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, with my voice.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would be vocal because it requires that you believe that you are telepathic to think it.
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you are untrained telepathically, just fill it out.
38:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Incoming horse, it needs to be here for 30 minutes, or she needs to take the other horse out, and we have to stay.
38:18
[SPEAKER_01]: She needs her food.
38:19
[SPEAKER_01]: She's done great Upsi, forward, and not forward, but forward.
38:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You see the difference?
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You see the difference energetically?
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I ask him and then you have had an ulcer and we are Occupied to understand what came first the chicken or the egg did the ulcer come first or it was the pressure that created the ulcer This is the animal's voice with Ditte Young
38:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He says that they gave me before you got me, before I came to you.
38:54
[SPEAKER_01]: They gave me a lot of grains to build up muscles fast, and my stomach couldn't handle the grains in my food.
39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know if he received a lot of...
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he got, but now he's diet is without any grain.
39:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if he likes it, if it's fine.
39:15
[SPEAKER_01]: it's way better.
39:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He says he enjoys in Denmark we call it mash.
39:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's food with water, you know, and he says it's my favorite.
39:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's getting it every day.
39:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
39:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I ask him, technically, how can Matti better help you with this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have the pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We understand this energy with the plan.
39:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But you also said, I need a certain...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Confident rider.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very very slippery slope as a human being understanding I am firm and I am confident by I'm not I am not ambitious How the hell do we do that Upsi he says
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: be strong in your heart, not in your elbows, or your arms, or your pelvis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you can observe this in the training, or if you already know this about yourself, Matti, as a high end rider, because many talented riders are very aware of what they do, but if I'm correct here,
40:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that you hold your burp breath when you focus on your concentrated and then you use your pelvis You know your hips and your pelvis a lot to make the horse move forward Forward forward But you are very mechanical in your arms it almost feels very stiff very focused and then the pelvis rotation So with other words, if this is
40:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Upsi, we had the head here and the hind legs here and this is you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You would primarily use your hips and pelvis to make the horse move forward.
41:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But the arms, your elbows and your knees are extremely tight and stiff.
41:14
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think when I ask you about what do you feel in your own physicalities when you ride horses in general?
41:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I have stiff arms a little bit because especially I feel it after because I'm a dentist so I work with my hands a lot and when I have I do metamorphosis and when I prepare a lot of teeth on one afternoon they got stiff a little bit for sure and I so with other horses it affects them and so for sure it affects
41:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of riders are trained by having keeping the horse in a frame like in a box over the job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stay in the box with the dressage riding, you know.
42:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And it can become a bit too stiff for a horse like Upsi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He needs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: forward, a plan, this is what we do, but we don't have anything to the sides.
42:15
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can visualize, there is no box, there is only a door.
42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to lead him into an open door, but we don't have any walls to my right or to my left.
42:29
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want anyone to tell him side side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
42:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it can, but is it because he, he, he, he, he, he, it hurts him or he's just like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both.
42:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the ulcer anymore, but he has had ulcers and he has had a very strict rider for many, many years, way before you had him that was also writing him, very stiff, very militant, very, very
43:04
[SPEAKER_01]: you know a lot and restrained in a visual frame and he says when we forget about there's a frame I want to bend even better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would actually try practicing in Denmark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We call it you know the leg yield.
43:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's shoulder in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right shoulder in and leg yield.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the horse needs to go
43:28
[SPEAKER_01]: on the free yeah usually we would use the legs to just you know push the horse a little bit and make the shoulder in so that it moves like this and if this is correct I would just use my pelvis and my own shoulders I wouldn't use my hands and I wouldn't use this as an example so I would rather just I'm sorry I'm gonna look like an idiot now okay
43:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I would rather use my pelvis right now, you're doing this and this and this and this, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the shoulder in and leg yield posture, I would just do
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[SPEAKER_01]: this, or this, this, or this, and forget about the hands.
44:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't just forget you have the reins.
44:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Use your pelvis because what he's very sensitive to is the hind legs.
44:27
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have already observed this, it's the tiniest signal you give him.
44:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he moves the hind leg.
44:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you recognize this, Matti?
44:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he's even, I use my leg backwards a little bit.
44:44
[SPEAKER_02]: He's already like, don't touch me there, don't touch me there.
44:48
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
44:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you start using your hips and pelvis rotation with the shoulder in training session and forget about framework, shoulders, arms, elbow, forward, then he starts to understand, oh, we can also have freedom in the writing together, even though it's not inventing.
45:10
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just training.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he needs to understand, we can ride differently, Upsi .
45:15
[SPEAKER_01]: You and I, we have to figure out where's the start buttons, where's the fun, so Matti, to wrap it up here.
45:24
[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing he mentioned was remember being playful to not having the ambitions, the weight scale.
45:31
[SPEAKER_01]: When you get ambitious, I don't want to play with you.
45:35
[SPEAKER_01]: If you lower your expectations and your ambitions, I will win.
45:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I will become ambitious because that is who I am.
45:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And the second one was be present, forget about the grooms, brush him yourself, connect with him for not only the 30 minutes or 20 minutes ride, but an hour instead because he has been waiting for you the entire day.
45:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And number three, forget about those stiff hands and stiff arms and elbows in the training and start using your hips more because you know how reactive he is with the
46:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
46:14
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about this?
46:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it opens up everything I am analyzing the situations and trying already trying to think what I will do tomorrow morning.
46:36
[SPEAKER_02]: When you told me all the stuff I was thinking, okay, I need to start think that he wants to win and then my attitude will change for sure.
46:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Like thinking about him that he is a fighter.
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And sportsmen, let's say.
46:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can sit back and, you know, eat the popcorn and the coke, like any other, I'm going to the movie.
46:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like way.
47:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna do the job.
47:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
47:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Matti, I think I'm going to say goodbye to Upsi now and then I'm going to go back to you for feedback, okay?
47:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling Upsi, you know what, you did great.
47:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for communicating with me and he says, no, you did great too, like whatever, okay, thank you.
47:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You and I did great too, he says, okay, thank you.
47:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Matti, what was this like for you?
47:33
[SPEAKER_02]: a lot of informations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like
47:39
[SPEAKER_02]: for sure, the information that he needs an attention and a time because I will always had feeling that he is a really nice guy and he likes to hug me and to play a horse and play of course with the mouth and I'm really open to change my behavior to spend
48:09
[SPEAKER_02]: and same with the writing, so for me it's really useful information about everything and I really like that he's a fighter.
48:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this, he's attitude that he wants to play, he wants to compete, I hope yes.
48:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He will, he's a perfect born winner, Matti, and you can't have two ambitious souls.
48:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have you and him being ambitious.
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: That's too much.
48:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Let him be the ambitious one, and you lead him in there, right?
48:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Left, double, oxyrs, water jump, forest, but let him do that, because he knows what to do.
48:54
[SPEAKER_01]: This was the first time you tried telepathy, animal communication,
48:59
[SPEAKER_01]: was that weird or interesting or what do you think about working like this with your horse?
49:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It was absolutely interesting, like from history, even in his own thing, he had a little go, what he would tell?
49:17
[SPEAKER_02]: To be honest, I was afraid that he will tell me that I want to spend my life on the paddock.
49:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, so this information that he is a fighter and he knows what to do is I'm happy hearing this, you know?
49:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good, that's so great.
49:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish you the best of luck.
49:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I do hope that you'll remember all the training advice I gave you.
49:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I recommend you to write it down when we're done because
49:44
[SPEAKER_01]: it was a lot.
49:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
49:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
49:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome, Matti..
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye-bye.
49:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
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