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#928 February Book Club: 2 Books, 2 Stars & A Classic! · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for the.
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Speaker 2: Time poor parent who just once answers now.
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Speaker 1: Once every month on the Happy Families Podcast, we let
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Speaker 1: go of the parenting agenda and we just talk about
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Speaker 1: stuff that adults like to talk about, well, stuff that
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Speaker 1: Kylie and I really love, and that's books. Once every
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Speaker 1: month we talk about the books we've been reading. We
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Speaker 1: call a book club. Today is our book club episode. Kylie,
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Speaker 1: Have you been doing much reading this year?
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Speaker 2: You are so funny. I have a total of two
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Speaker 2: books to talk about today.
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Speaker 1: What are you going to blame for your lack of
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Speaker 1: reading this year? Is it too much time scrolling Facebook
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Speaker 1: and Instagram trying to get laundry renovation ideas pulled together.
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Speaker 1: We do really want to redo our laundry.
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Speaker 2: I would love to say that that's what it is,
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Speaker 2: but no, it is not. Being homeschooling is taking up
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Speaker 2: most of my spare time these days.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward tomorrow's conversation because that's the one where
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Speaker 1: we kind of give you an update. I guess what's
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Speaker 1: happening with homeschooling as we've kicked it off in ernest
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Speaker 1: for the year, my book reading has been a little
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Speaker 1: bit more successful than yours. I've also been very busy,
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Speaker 1: but I've really prioritized books. So when I got on aeroplanes,
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Speaker 1: I'm not watching any movies. I'm either working or when
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Speaker 1: my laptop has to be away, i'm reading a book.
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Speaker 1: When I go to bed, I'm not watching movies. I'm
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Speaker 1: sitting there with a book in my hand, waiting for
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Speaker 1: you to say light's out. I'm just reading and reading
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Speaker 1: and reading. I'm up to book number thirteen or book
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Speaker 1: number fourteen for the year. I've got my spreadsheet going.
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Speaker 1: I've had so much fun in books this year.
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Speaker 2: Meantime, my head hits the pillow and I'm gone, All.
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Speaker 1: Right, let's hear your two books, and then I'm going
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Speaker 1: to dive through as many of mine as I can
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Speaker 1: in a reasonable amount of time without blasting people's heads
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Speaker 1: with far too much information. Your two books? What were they?
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Speaker 1: And how are you rating them?
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Speaker 2: My first book this year was a novel by Jojo Moyes.
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Speaker 2: It's called The Giver of Stars. Our daughter, who is
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Speaker 2: currently living in England, suggested that this was one of
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Speaker 2: her favorite readsons, so I thought I'd pick it up
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Speaker 2: while she's away.
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Speaker 1: Can I just check the novels count.
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Speaker 2: Of course they that's fine.
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Speaker 1: That's fine.
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Speaker 2: MIC count might be a little bit higher if that's
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Speaker 2: all I read, right, It definitely helps to boost my numbers.
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Speaker 2: But this book was based on a true story. There
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Speaker 2: was actually a story based on the pack Horse Librarians
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Speaker 2: of Eastern Kentucky. It's a true story.
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Speaker 1: I've always wanted to know about the pack Horse Libraries
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Speaker 1: of Eastern Kentucky.
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Speaker 2: It was actually a really intriguing read, and it depicts
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Speaker 2: American history during the Depression with vivid clarity, an era
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Speaker 2: where women knew their place and didn't question it. It
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Speaker 2: deals with some pretty heavy duty topics, with domestic violence, prejudice,
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Speaker 2: and expected gender roles of the time. But I just
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Speaker 2: loved how Moy's artistically weaves a story of exquisite sweetness
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Speaker 2: contrasted against the harsh conditions of the time and the
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Speaker 2: environment they were living in.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm reading a genuine book review in
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Speaker 1: the paper.
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Speaker 2: The way you describe it, I'm getting better. You asked
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Speaker 2: for concise, I did.
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Speaker 1: You've actually prepped this is great.
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Speaker 2: But the thing that I loved the most about the
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Speaker 2: story was how a misfit group of women have come
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Speaker 2: together with a common cause to share the gift of reading,
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Speaker 2: the gift of books to a community that would otherwise
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Speaker 2: not have had access to it, and that has forged
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Speaker 2: friendships that have just been solidified in some of the
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Speaker 2: most challenging times. It was just it was a really
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Speaker 2: beautiful read. I'm going to give it a four.
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Speaker 1: Four five for Jojo Moyes. What was it called again,
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Speaker 1: The Giver of Stars? The Giver of Stars? You know what?
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Speaker 1: I love any book that celebrates the importance of reading.
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Speaker 1: Like I say this all the time, readers of leaders
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Speaker 1: and leaders of readers. The more you read, the more
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Speaker 1: you understand, The more you understand, the more you can contribute.
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Speaker 1: There's so much value in it. It sounds sounds really
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Speaker 1: really lovely. I love the way you describe that.
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Speaker 2: What was your second book, My second book, not a novel,
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Speaker 2: is called The House That Built by Holly Ringland. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I haven't hit in the fact that I do like
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Speaker 2: a good cover, right, and so.
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Speaker 1: You brought this one for its cover. I haven't even
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Speaker 1: seen you reading this one. Maybe I've been too engrossed
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Speaker 1: in my own books. What is the House that Joy Built?
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Speaker 1: Is Joy a person? Or no?
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Speaker 2: Joy is an emotion.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so that's the emotion. So there's a
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Speaker 1: house that you can build on joys? That what it's about?
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Speaker 1: How to have more joy in your life?
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and no. From Holly's perspective, she's talking about
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Speaker 2: the house that lives within us and the emotions that
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Speaker 2: are housed within that house.
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Speaker 1: I'm pulling a strange face right now that nobody can see,
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Speaker 1: but I'm trying to understand how there is a house
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Speaker 1: within me?
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Speaker 2: Well, there was a house inside me, and I grew
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Speaker 2: lots of babies.
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Speaker 1: You had a kitchen, bathroom, the whole lot was all
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Speaker 1: in that.
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Speaker 2: One of our favorite children's books.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.
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Speaker 2: Part memoir, part self help book, and it was. It's
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Speaker 2: really aimed at creatives. It's aimed at people who really
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Speaker 2: have lost touch with their creative side and have a
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Speaker 2: desire to tap back into it and really give themselves
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Speaker 2: permission to create.
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Speaker 1: So is the author Holly you said her name was
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Speaker 1: Holly somebody Holly Ringland? Was she doing a renovation and
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Speaker 1: it brought her happiness? Is that where we're going with this.
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Speaker 1: I'm not being cheeky. I'm genuinely saying, how's the joy built? No, no, okay, but.
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Speaker 2: It's an artistic expression okay, okay, and acknowledging that we
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Speaker 2: find ourselves so lost in life when we let go
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Speaker 2: of our creative being and creative self.
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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot. I really truly believe,
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Speaker 1: and I know that we say quite openly that we
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Speaker 1: have a faith background. But I think that I can
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Speaker 1: say this without bias, even though that is my bias.
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Speaker 1: I feel like there is a spiritual drought in our society,
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Speaker 1: like people are bereath of not everybody obviously, but when
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Speaker 1: I look at the challenges that we're facing in terms
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Speaker 1: of well being and the absence of joy, I feel
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Speaker 1: like there's a drought of purpose, a drought of meaning,
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Speaker 1: a drought of belonging to and giving to something larger
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Speaker 1: than self. And as I listen to what you're describing,
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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing is this idea that when we can
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Speaker 1: tap into the creative outlets that we have, we're actually
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Speaker 1: tapping into some kind of inspiration, maybe some kind of spirituality,
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Speaker 1: some kind of creative center or core that is bigger
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Speaker 1: than us, that grounds us and helps us to feel
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Speaker 1: small and look at things with awe and wonder.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really beautiful way that you've said that.
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Speaker 2: I think the other acknowledgment is that we've lost the
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Speaker 2: ability to create for the sake of creating, right where
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Speaker 2: we've kind of got caught up in this notion that
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Speaker 2: we have to create.
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Speaker 1: Everything has to be a purpose. It's about optimization and
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Speaker 1: maximization and potentiality.
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Speaker 2: And this is really about recognizing that for so many
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Speaker 2: of us, we've kind of lived into the fear and
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Speaker 2: the doubt that comes from creating just because we can.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Right, with social media, we've got all of these feeds,
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Speaker 2: a highlight reels of people's lives, and we think that
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Speaker 2: everything has to be at a certain standard for it
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Speaker 2: to be considered art or creative or beautiful. And yet
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Speaker 2: her acknowledgment is that to just create for the sake
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Speaker 2: of creating is where the beauty lies and where the
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Speaker 2: joy can be found. And so I just it wasn't
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Speaker 2: the best read. But what I did love about it
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Speaker 2: is at the end of each chapter she just had
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Speaker 2: all of these really really great thoughts starters for me
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Speaker 2: as a person who often lets fair get in the
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Speaker 2: way of my ability to create, and just gave me
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Speaker 2: an opportunity to do some really deep introspective thinking. While
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Speaker 2: the writing didn't necessarily stand out, her ability to make
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Speaker 2: me think did that.
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Speaker 1: U's the Joy Built by Holly.
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Speaker 2: Ringland scores a three and a half.
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Speaker 1: Three and a half out of five. But it sounds
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Speaker 1: like it helped you to tap into something that was meaningful,
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Speaker 1: Like there's plenty to redeem it for you.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. One last thing of all the questions
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Speaker 2: she asked me, the one that jumps out and just
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Speaker 2: has really kind of resonated with me, is but what
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Speaker 2: if I can?
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Speaker 1: Oh love that?
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Speaker 2: This acknowledgment that's so often we're like, I can't do that?
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Speaker 1: We should use that without kids.
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Speaker 2: But the question is, but what if I can?
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Speaker 1: That's a great question.
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Speaker 2: What does life look like? So that was my two reads.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's dive into mine. I have a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a problem. You're not going to let me talk
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Speaker 1: about the twelve or thirteen books that I had read already.
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Speaker 2: What two are you going to share with us?
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Speaker 1: If even if I was to try to, it's going
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Speaker 1: to do people's heads in. So here's what I'm going
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Speaker 1: to do. I'm going to give you a couple of
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Speaker 1: books to avoid and a couple of books that I loved.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a couple of two star reads.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if there's anyone out there that reads the
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Speaker 2: books that you tell them to avoid and just loves them.
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Speaker 1: It's possible, it's absolutely. In fact, I.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they actually wait for your list of read I
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Speaker 2: you're not in truce.
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Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent certain that my first two
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Speaker 1: star read is going to be disagreed with by a
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Speaker 1: lot of people. So I was in a books over Christmas
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Speaker 1: and a lady told me that I should definitely get
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Speaker 1: this one book. It's just been turned into an Apple
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Speaker 1: mini series, and I thought, well, I'm going to watch
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Speaker 1: it on Apple TV, I might as well read the
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Speaker 1: book first. The book is called Lessons in Chemistry. It's
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Speaker 1: by Bonnie Garmis. Here's what I'll say. I gave it
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Speaker 1: a two star out of five. This lady said it
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Speaker 1: was five out of five. She just loved it. So
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Speaker 1: there's an answer to your question. I enjoyed the book
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Speaker 1: for the mindless reading, but for what's supposed to be
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Speaker 1: a comedy, for something that's supposed to be light. And
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Speaker 1: I just want to quickly highlight if you've got kids listening,
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Speaker 1: you might want to fast forward the next thirty seconds.
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Speaker 1: It kicks off with two sea words in the first
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Speaker 1: couple of pages, a sexual assault and a suicide. Not
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Speaker 1: very funny at all. It completely belittled anyone who has
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Speaker 1: a religious faith, made all men, all men into monsters
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Speaker 1: except for one, the hero of the story. It totally
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Speaker 1: lectured the reader on every social issue that's out there,
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Speaker 1: and it was completely anacrit I can never say this
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Speaker 1: word properly anachronistic.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: It means so an acronym is basically when you reading
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Speaker 1: a book about let's say be eighteen hundreds or in
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Speaker 1: this case, the nineteen fifties, but they're talking about things
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Speaker 1: that we have today. Like if somebody wrote a book
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Speaker 1: about the nineteen fifties but people were using mobile telephones,
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Speaker 1: that would be anachronistic. It would be an anachronism that
10:21
Speaker 1: something like it just it couldn't have existed, which means
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Speaker 1: that they haven't gotten it right. So in terms of
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Speaker 1: the values, it was like a twenty twenty three woman
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Speaker 1: was transported back to the nineteen fifties and just nailed
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Speaker 1: everybody with a brilliant, advanced liberal thinking overall, the message
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Speaker 1: in the book I actually think was a reasonably worthy one,
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Speaker 1: but the book, as easy as it was to read,
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Speaker 1: really failed to deliver for me. I actually hated it
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Speaker 1: and wished that I hadn't read it at the end
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Speaker 1: of it A tough yeah, two out of five. The
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Speaker 1: other one that I would say to avoid is a
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Speaker 1: book that has rave reviews all over the place from
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Speaker 1: some really big names, which is why I bought it.
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Speaker 1: The book is called Same as Ever by Morgan Hausel.
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Speaker 1: So Morgan Housel has written some finance books previously and
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Speaker 1: is extremely well regarded for what he's written about finance.
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Speaker 1: This is a book where he's basically saying, we're saying
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Speaker 1: the world is changing like crazy, but there's a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of principles that are the same as ever. They
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Speaker 1: never changed their fundamental and people will keep on being people,
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Speaker 1: and people will keep on doing the same things that
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Speaker 1: they've always done because they're people. So here's what I
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Speaker 1: loved about it. Great stories, really well researched and a
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Speaker 1: really fabulous concept. But it just didn't click for me.
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Speaker 1: I didn't like his writing style, and while I really
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Speaker 1: love the idea of emphasizing how things stayed the same
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Speaker 1: despite progress and change, and also how psychology human psychology
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Speaker 1: is not evolving nearly as fast as technology. I just
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Speaker 1: felt like the ideas were really simplified from their original authors,
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Speaker 1: Like he stole a lot from a guy called Ray Dahlio,
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Speaker 1: he picked up a whole lot from Nasim Taylor, who
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Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of, but I really love
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Speaker 1: a lot of what he writes, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: And ultimately it was a light read, very digestible content,
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Speaker 1: completely forgettable. The arguments felt lightweight, they felt idiosyncratic, didn't
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Speaker 1: feel like they had really good evidence underpinning them. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know how context is everything, Kylie, and this
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Speaker 1: book just presented these principles as absolutes, which they're not.
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Speaker 1: And every chapter oh so frustrating. You know, when you're
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Speaker 1: reading a chapter and as you get into the end,
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Speaker 1: you're thinking, Okay, I can take a breather at the
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Speaker 1: end of the chapter, and then they do this linking
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Speaker 1: sentence or paragraph saying and in the next chapter, we're
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Speaker 1: going to show you how blah blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: And it was so frustrating and made me want to
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Speaker 1: throw the book. As he kind of tried to segue
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Speaker 1: seamlessly into the next chapter. It was so cheesy. Not
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Speaker 1: a high recommendation. As much as I enjoyed the stories,
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Speaker 1: Morgan Housel, same as ever, stay away from it.
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Speaker 2: So for the books you weren't going to talk about,
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Speaker 2: they got a lot of airtime. I'm wondering, I'm wondering
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Speaker 2: what books you did?
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Speaker 1: I love? Okay, so three books that I'm going to
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Speaker 1: give a five star rating. Two. Just the other day
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Speaker 1: on the podcast, I spoke with doctor amanthe Imber. We
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Speaker 1: talked about her new book, The Health Habit. I would
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Speaker 1: just read meen that you go back and listen to
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Speaker 1: that podcast. It's a brilliant book. If you want to
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Speaker 1: change the way you eat, the way you sleep, the
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Speaker 1: way that you move your body, if you want to
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Speaker 1: be healthier and you just keep on hitting obstacles, this
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Speaker 1: book has got so many great ideas. I absolutely loved it.
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Speaker 1: I love the way that Amantha presented this view to
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Speaker 1: making shifts that will stick. I'm a big fan of
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Speaker 1: doctor Amantha Imber. I think that it's a must read
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Speaker 1: for anyone who's trying to self improve. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: buy copies for a few people that I know who
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Speaker 1: really would appreciate it. Five out of five for Amantha
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Speaker 1: Imber The health Habit My next one. I read a novel.
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Speaker 2: You read a novel.
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Speaker 1: I read a novel. But it's a really old one.
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Speaker 1: It's called The Odyssey by Homer.
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Speaker 2: This was that big, fat book you had on your bedside.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is one of the ultimate classics. This
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Speaker 1: book is thousands of years old. The translation from the
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Speaker 1: ancient Greek into English has been done by somebody whose
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Speaker 1: name I can't quite remember right now, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: write it down. I'm not going to lie. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure that I fully understand everything that was going on,
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Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of cultural stuff that I just
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Speaker 1: didn't get. But there was a one hundred page introduction
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Speaker 1: before I even started the book by the author, and
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of important information in there that helped. Ultimately.
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Speaker 1: The Odyssey is a classic for a reason. It's really
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Speaker 1: tough going, and with a book that's this old, it's
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Speaker 1: just never going to read like a modern book, especially
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Speaker 1: if you're trying to stay true to the translation. I'd
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Speaker 1: love to see a modern adaptation of it. But it's
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Speaker 1: a powerful story. It's stood the test of time, and
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed reading The Odyssey by Homer. Great fun,
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Speaker 1: fantastic complexity in the storytelling, genuinely cool. Homer also wrote
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Speaker 1: The Iliad, and new translation of that has recently come out.
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Speaker 1: I'm giving The Odyssey five but I'm not sure that
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Speaker 1: I want to put myself through another one of these books.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if I'm going to get The
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Speaker 1: Iliad and read it or not. I mean, there are
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Speaker 1: all these classics, and we talk about them, we seem
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Speaker 1: to know of them, but we don't really. And I
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Speaker 1: loved being in the book and having the experience of
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Speaker 1: reading it. I probably will buy the early out eventually.
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Speaker 1: Last one that I'm going to share five stars for
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Speaker 1: is Richard Reeves of Boys and Men. This one might
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Speaker 1: be might be my book of the year already. I
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Speaker 1: know it's a big call. It's only February. But it
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Speaker 1: was powerful, incredibly clear, direct, argumentative in an evidence backed way,
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Speaker 1: and full of ideas that were challenging. And actually I
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Speaker 1: think some of his ideas are wrong, straight up, straight
15:33
Speaker 1: out wrong, but still really thoughtful and incredibly valuable. I
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Speaker 1: just loved it. I loved wrestling with his ideas, especially
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Speaker 1: in relation to fatherhood and keeping dads involved without preserving marriage,
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Speaker 1: which I disagree with, but it was so provocative because
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Speaker 1: marriage is on the decline and dads are not involved
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Speaker 1: with their kids, and he's saying, so, let marriage be
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, but let's keep dads involved. It was
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Speaker 1: just fascinating the way he put his arguments together. I
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Speaker 1: wish that the book was longer. The conversation was fantastic.
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Speaker 1: I think there was a whole lot more than he
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Speaker 1: could have given. And it's a policy book, Kylie. It's
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Speaker 1: literally a book about how government policy can improve the
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Speaker 1: lives of boys and men. Never have I read a
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Speaker 1: policy book where I've been begging for more. But this
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Speaker 1: was like a great roast dinner. It was so tasty
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Speaker 1: that you just want to keep eating, even when you're
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Speaker 1: stuffed of boys and men. Richard Reeves can't write it
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Speaker 1: highly enough.
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Speaker 2: Well. I know. One of the things that parents often
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Speaker 2: say is how do I get my kids to read books.
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Speaker 2: We have had a lot of success over the years.
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Speaker 2: We've had children who've almost been run over by buses
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Speaker 2: because they just scare at their books while they're walking
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Speaker 2: to school, and we have found them underneath the covers
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Speaker 2: with their torch when there should be asleep. But I
16:41
Speaker 2: found this parenting hat the other day on Facebook and
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Speaker 2: I thought I have to share it. A mum who
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Speaker 2: struggled with just the chaos in her house, she came
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Speaker 2: up with this grand plan, so she gets her kids
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Speaker 2: to read books to her while she cleans their room.
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Speaker 1: That's the deal. You read to me and I'll clean
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Speaker 1: your room.
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Speaker 2: And it works great. Kids love reading and she gets
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Speaker 2: to clean the room. Know that it's done all properly
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