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Speaker 1: It's the gold reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight the Treasurer gets nasty, very personal, as terrible new
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Speaker 2: data today shows is failed. We are getting poorer or
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Speaker 2: so tonight. Another academic says she's Aboriginal, when genealogists says
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Speaker 2: she's not. And the author of a book of my
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Speaker 2: court case which says I was stitched up so i'd
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Speaker 2: shut up doesn't seem to have worked. Plus a walk
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Speaker 2: through Gaza City the lines of the left exposed. But
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Speaker 2: first to the latest sign that the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 2: not telling the full truth about the so called isis brides.
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Speaker 2: The first some contexts. Anthony Albert Easy today sent a
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Speaker 2: touching letter to the Muslims of Australia on this very
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Speaker 2: special day, Happy Ramadan. He wished an happy Ramanan for
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Speaker 2: a sacred time for Muslims and says the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: for this day of a time of an expression of
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Speaker 2: the compassion, gratitude and togetherness that have been the hallmarks
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Speaker 2: of the story of Muslims in Australia. I wonder if
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Speaker 2: there are actually the three words most Australians would consider
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Speaker 2: the hallmarks of that. And now Anthony ABERNIZI acknowledges what
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Speaker 2: he says, is the pain the conflict in the Middle
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Speaker 2: East has caused Muslims here without adding in his letter
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Speaker 2: that it was actually triggered by a ghastly massacre of
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Speaker 2: Jews by is the most terrorists. But I digress. Here's
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Speaker 2: a message to Muslims for Ramadan from their prime minister.
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Speaker 2: That lovely. But today is also ash Wednesday, which is
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Speaker 2: a holy day for Catholics. It's the first day of Lent.
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Speaker 2: Where's the message from Anthony Aberzi onyx for these Christians.
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Speaker 2: So with Anthony Abenzi's long record of pandering to one
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Speaker 2: section of our community, it is no wonder if many
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Speaker 2: Australians aren't sure is now telling the truth about the
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Speaker 2: so called Isis brides, the Isis widows, women who join
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Speaker 2: the terrorists Islamic State who now want to come home
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Speaker 2: with their children. An Easy insists is not helping them.
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Speaker 3: But we are not repatrioting these people.
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Speaker 4: How are you seem to stop them from coming to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're not repatrioting them.
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Speaker 5: Well, use, for example, the opposition's suggestion of a tup
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Speaker 5: exclusion order.
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Speaker 3: Well, what we will do are national security issues as
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Speaker 3: we deal with it appropriately.
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Speaker 6: Upon a bus.
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Speaker 2: Well, is it true that is not helping them? In fact,
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Speaker 2: the head of the refugee camp in Syria where these
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Speaker 2: thirty four people are, these Isis women and their children
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Speaker 2: says they all now have new Australian passports to come
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Speaker 2: to Australia. So not only has the government help these
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Speaker 2: Isis women by issuing new passports, but somehow facilitated a
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Speaker 2: go between who took them over to the women in
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Speaker 2: a refugee camp way out in Syria, presumably with the
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Speaker 2: help that I mentioned last night Jamal Riffi, chairman of
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Speaker 2: a committee to help re elect Guess who Immigration Minister
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke. So how did that happen? I mean does
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Speaker 2: the government normally hand thirty four travel documents to some
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Speaker 2: go between to hand to people in attention camp far
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Speaker 2: overseas well? Tony Burke says I didn't know anything about
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Speaker 2: this really, but it is true. Yes, it is true
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Speaker 2: that Tony Burke did this afternoon issue a temporary exclusion
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Speaker 2: order against one of the women on security grounds and
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Speaker 2: left open the possibility of excluding more, saying that this
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Speaker 2: stage security agencies had not provided advice that other members
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Speaker 2: of the cohort meet the required legal threshold for temporary
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Speaker 2: exclusion orders. But you know this to me is like
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Speaker 2: with that the three thousand visitor visas that this government
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Speaker 2: gave to Palestinians from the terrorists around Gaza. First they
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Speaker 2: issue these travel documents and then only afterwards do we
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Speaker 2: get the security checks. I mean, these Isis brides actually
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Speaker 2: try to leave this Syrian camp yesterday with Burke's passports
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Speaker 2: until Syrian officials turn them back. It is only now
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Speaker 2: that one of them gets a temporary and note temporary
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Speaker 2: exclusion order. Isn't it the wrong way round? You first
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Speaker 2: exclude and then you issue documents. But you must now
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Speaker 2: believe I think, well, at least you're told. You've got
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Speaker 2: to believe that this government isn't helping the Isis women.
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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, now, warning, I'm about to show you
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Speaker 2: a photo that we have blurred. That said, when I
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Speaker 2: tell you what it shows, you still be upset and
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Speaker 2: disturbed by what you do see. So maybe you should
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Speaker 2: look away now because I want to show this photo
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Speaker 2: so that no one can ignore exactly what we're talking
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Speaker 2: about here, the nature of the Islamic state that these
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Speaker 2: Australian women at about two hundred and fifty other Australian
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Speaker 2: Muslims chose to join. The photo shows the son of
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Speaker 2: one of these australigy hard Is holding up the head
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Speaker 2: of someone the Isis terrists had beheaded. And that's just
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Speaker 2: one of many horrors of this Islamic state. And of
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Speaker 2: course many of the children were now bringing in, grew
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Speaker 2: up among such monsters, had admit such horrors. A year ago,
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Speaker 2: America's NBC reported on the children at a Syrian camp
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Speaker 2: associated with the camp that the Australians are in, also
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Speaker 2: where other Isis refugees are held with their children.
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Speaker 6: This is a camp really of no return, and it's
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Speaker 6: been described as a ticking time that the next generation
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Speaker 6: of Isis is here.
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Speaker 7: Many of the children appear to be extremely radical.
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Speaker 8: They're all saying one day, I hope to kill you.
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Speaker 1: One day I want to slit your throat.
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Speaker 7: The longer we stayed, the more aggressive the children became.
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Speaker 1: A here come the stones. I'm not going to move
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Speaker 1: to another area.
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Speaker 2: But what do you expect being raised in those circumstances
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Speaker 2: among such people? But have you heard one of the
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Speaker 2: Isis women say we were wrong to join such a movement,
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Speaker 2: We were wrong to believe the Islamic state was good.
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Speaker 2: They chose to go live under Sharia law, and they
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Speaker 2: now want to come back to a country founded instead
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Speaker 2: on Christian principles. Well, really, you know what I want
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Speaker 2: to know is a very very bare minimum is that
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Speaker 2: these women repudia, not just this the Islamic state, that
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Speaker 2: they repudiate Sharia, and until then the liberals are right
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Speaker 2: keep them out, Prime Minister. But to today's terrible economic news,
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Speaker 2: Australians are getting poorer and treasure Jim Charmers show signs
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Speaker 2: of cracking under the strain. The Bureau of Statistics now
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Speaker 2: says that wages last year rose by three point four percent.
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Speaker 2: The problem is inflation last year was much higher, three
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Speaker 2: point eight percent, and it gets worse. The Reserve Bank
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Speaker 2: says it expects inflation rise more than wages all next
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Speaker 2: year as well, and when prices rise more than wages,
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Speaker 2: you get poorer. We are getting poorer thanks to higher inflation,
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Speaker 2: higher interest rates, higher power prices, and the Alban easy
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Speaker 2: governs massive spending which is driving up than inflation. But
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Speaker 2: here's how the Treasurer tried to sugar the bad news
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Speaker 2: us today.
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Speaker 9: What we've seen in these numbers today is wages growth
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Speaker 9: which is north of three percent. That's a good, strong
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Speaker 9: and sustainable number. But with inflation higher than we'd like, obviously,
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Speaker 9: that has complicated. That has implications for real wages for
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Speaker 9: the time being.
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Speaker 2: That said, Charmers is getting ratty under the pressure. Two
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Speaker 2: weeks ago he accused economists of playing politics when they
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Speaker 2: warned the government's spinning was too much. Today he even
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Speaker 2: abused former Reserve Bank Governor Philip loow a mild mened man,
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Speaker 2: for also warning that Chums is making inflation worse with
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Speaker 2: this big spending and big handouts. Charmers today smeared him
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Speaker 2: as just the bitter man out for revenge.
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Speaker 9: It's a matter of public record phil Lowe would have
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Speaker 9: liked to have been reappointed by the government. After he
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Speaker 9: wasn't reappointed by the government, He's become a fairly persistent
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Speaker 9: critic of the Labor government in the pages of the
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Speaker 9: Financial Review and elsewhere. I think to some extent that's
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Speaker 9: just human nature.
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Speaker 2: God, what a patronizing, arrogant man. Philip low hasn't been
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Speaker 2: the persistent critic of government, but at this point is
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Speaker 2: absolutely right. It seems that anyone trying to tell Jim
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Speaker 2: Charmers to pull up. According to Jim Chalmers must be
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Speaker 2: bitter political of mad has he got tickets on himself
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Speaker 2: joining me is the political panel. Cameron Milner, formed chief
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Speaker 2: of staff to Labor leader Bill Shorten, now director of
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Speaker 2: g XO Strategies, experts in crisis management of the Albaniza government
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Speaker 2: should call them and Michael Costs, the former New South
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Speaker 2: Wales labor treasurer. Michael Today's figures. What do they say?
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Speaker 3: They are disappointing is the mildest thing I can say.
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Speaker 3: It's disappointing for those people that are now facing high
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Speaker 3: inflation and having their real wages cut. Look, Chalmers has
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Speaker 3: just lost the plot. I mean that attack. I'm low
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Speaker 3: and I wasn't a fan out of Low. I think
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Speaker 3: he got it wrong in terms of interest rates, you know,
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Speaker 3: around the COVID period. But having said that, I mean
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Speaker 3: that attack is just appalling. The fact of the matter
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Speaker 3: is we cannot have real wages grow in this country
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Speaker 3: independent of everything else that goes unless we increase productivity.
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Speaker 3: Charmers doesn't understand that. You know, all the economists out
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Speaker 3: there are using basically the same models. They're a variant
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Speaker 3: of what we call Leo Kanesan models, and the Reserve
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Speaker 3: Bank uses that, and the Treasury uses that. Every single
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Speaker 3: one of those models, even with the variance in it
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Speaker 3: shows the government spending crowds out the private sector. Now
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Speaker 3: the private sector.
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Speaker 1: Is where our value grows.
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Speaker 3: I mean Charmers doesn't understand this. He needs to do
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Speaker 3: a basic economics one oh one cause on macroeconomics.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's becoming.
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Speaker 3: Embarrassing andrew are. The more he attacks people for stating
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Speaker 3: what is the standard model in economics, he looks like
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Speaker 3: a fool and you know, you know, I don't have
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Speaker 3: much respect for his economic credentials, but this is getting
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Speaker 3: worse and worse, and he's under real pressure.
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Speaker 2: I think Chalmers does understand the productive is the key.
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Speaker 2: He actually called the productivity summit. The problem is that
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Speaker 2: this oberholden to the union movement that they can't actually
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Speaker 2: release the handbrakes on business to make that happen. That
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Speaker 2: is the key issue. But Cameron Milner, Jim Charmers, you know,
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Speaker 2: you you know, you think a lot of him, But
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Speaker 2: sliming Philip Low for warning against big spending, claiming is
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Speaker 2: just bitter at being dumped the Reserve Bank governor, that
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Speaker 2: is so low.
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Speaker 4: It is It's a low blow, isn't it, Andrew?
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Speaker 2: A low blow?
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, this is a situation where Jim
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Speaker 4: was obviously pretty rattled at the press conference.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Jim is normally better than this, but.
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Speaker 4: He's got a huge problem because this is out of
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Speaker 4: control spending. To your point, Michael, I mean government money,
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Speaker 4: which is borrowed debt, is not a way to grow
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Speaker 4: the economy. It never has been, never will be. Yet
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Speaker 4: that's all we see to be doing is this government
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Speaker 4: ndis childcare for everyone, home deposits for everyone, no means testing,
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Speaker 4: no means says, that's all gone out the window. Just
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Speaker 4: money after money after money. And that's why from Michelle Bullock,
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Speaker 4: the new Reserve Bank governor, called out in the said estimates,
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Speaker 4: government spending is contributing to inflation. Government spending is a problem.
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Speaker 2: That's worse, Andrew, the is this to go on? Michael,
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Speaker 2: oh I.
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Speaker 3: Was going to say it's worse if you actually look
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Speaker 3: at those figures. The only sector that had a real
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Speaker 3: wage increase was the public sector. You know, so the
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Speaker 3: creating the wealth that get taxed in eighty percent of
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Speaker 3: pay as you go tax, which is the largest contribution
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Speaker 3: to government tax comes out of private employment. They're going backwards,
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Speaker 3: but the public sector is increasing its wages and increasing
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Speaker 3: its size.
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Speaker 7: It's a bloody mess.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well that's part of the problem of the productivity challenge
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Speaker 2: because you don't get much productivity from that with this
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Speaker 2: bloating of the government to sect. The plus, of course,
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Speaker 2: the diversion of investment and cash to that sector the
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Speaker 2: cost of the private sector, which is really stagnant. That's
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Speaker 2: the engine of wealth right there. But Cameron to the
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Speaker 2: so called isis bras, because you were a really good
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Speaker 2: column on this for the Nightly. The government has issued
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Speaker 2: passports or maybe just travel documents of some come but
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Speaker 2: you know the camp boss over there, this is their
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Speaker 2: passports to thirty four of these Islamic state mothers and
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Speaker 2: their children. Only this afternoon did the Immigration minister say, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, actually one of them, one of them can't
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Speaker 2: come from now, can you tell me issue travel documents first?
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Speaker 2: But is your passports first and then do security checks later.
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Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't seem right. None of it does.
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Speaker 4: None of it does, Andrew. This is an absolute scandalous
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Speaker 4: government's got as I called it, an Isis crisis. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is a government that thought they'd get away with it.
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Speaker 4: They thought they turn up with mascot and say, oh,
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Speaker 4: the Isis brides came home somehow, but they got caught out,
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Speaker 4: got caught out, and you know, and the problem here,
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Speaker 4: Andrew is facilitating this tap happen.
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Speaker 2: They've got, you know, Tony.
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Speaker 4: Burke's handpicked Muslim vote whisperer, doctor Vivid over there with
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Speaker 4: the thirty four passports, trying to smuggle the thirty four
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Speaker 4: Isis brides back into the country without being found out
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Speaker 4: where they got found out. And the Prime Minister with
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Speaker 4: his weasel words about repatriation.
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Speaker 2: No, if he's a.
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Speaker 4: Concerned about the Isis bride, he's making comments about them,
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Speaker 4: you know, making their own bed. Then stop them at
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Speaker 4: our borders, Andrew stop them from coming issues thirty four
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Speaker 4: of stop orders right now if he's serious. But this
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Speaker 4: is the problem. Burke wants these people back because he
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Speaker 4: did a deal. He's electorate with the Muslim votes to
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Speaker 4: be the Home Affairs Minister for Isis brides.
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Speaker 2: Michael, there's so much of this sense. So Tony Burke,
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Speaker 2: the Immigration Minister, he meets this Jamal Riffi, who's chairman
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Speaker 2: of the Friends of Tony Burke campaign to re elect him.
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Speaker 2: He meets him in his offers, he sends the department
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Speaker 2: no taker out so they can't take notes of what
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Speaker 2: they discuss, and he says, now, I didn't know that
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Speaker 2: Jama for years over there with these passports trying to
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Speaker 2: get the women out, he doesn't know it had nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with it. Does that strike you as convincing?
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Speaker 3: Totally unconvincing. But look, it's it's also worse than that.
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Speaker 3: We've got a problem. I mean, they may have a
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Speaker 3: point that these people, as Australian citizens, are entitled to
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Speaker 3: travel documents, but I think that's where the problem is.
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Speaker 3: We need to address that. I mean, it's not just
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Speaker 3: the brides. It's remember, it's also these children that are
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Speaker 3: coming out that you know that clip you showed that
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Speaker 3: a probably been indoctrinated. I'm really concerned about what is
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Speaker 3: going to be put into place, assuming that the law
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Speaker 3: is as everybody says, that they're entitled these documents for
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Speaker 3: de radicalization of these kids when they get into this country,
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Speaker 3: and some of them are seven nearly adults, there needs
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Speaker 3: to be some explanation to the public, how is this
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Speaker 3: is going to be managed? And there is no explanation.
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Speaker 3: They need to be transparent about why they're coming back
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Speaker 3: at this particular juncture, how they've came back, and also
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Speaker 3: what are you going to do once they're back? I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's what I'm concerned about, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of US Romans would like
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Speaker 2: to know which suburbs they will be sent to live
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Speaker 2: in just quickly amount of time, actually, Cameron, but just quickly.
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Speaker 2: Albanezy on Twitter wishing Muslims happy Ramadan today, not sending
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Speaker 2: Catholics good wishes for ash Wednesday today, the beginning of Lent.
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Speaker 2: What does that tell you?
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Speaker 4: Oh, it's just the double standards the heart of the
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Speaker 4: Albani's government. They're more concerned about Muslim voters than Judik
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Speaker 4: Christian mores that we have all inherited and the freedom
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Speaker 4: is we have because of it.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly the point, and I'd like the Islamic
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Speaker 2: State women to actually do a public acknowledgment of exactly
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Speaker 2: that point that this Christian, basically Christian founded community does
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Speaker 2: create the kind of society they'd live in, and their
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Speaker 2: Islamic state did not. Cameron Milner Marks Coosta, thank you
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Speaker 2: very much to you. After the break, another academic who
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Speaker 2: says this is Aboriginal when genealogists says she's not. Plus
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Speaker 2: an author is a new book says I was stitched
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Speaker 2: up to stop me saying such things. It staggers me.
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Speaker 2: How many people now claim to be Aboriginal when they
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Speaker 2: appear to have no known Aboriginal ancestors, and especially in
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Speaker 2: our universities. It's a bizarre. I'm amazed that universities don't
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Speaker 2: crack down on it. I mean, I thought they were
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Speaker 2: in the truth business. Now I've already named on the
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Speaker 2: show seven academics claim to be Aboriginals who are genealogists
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Speaker 2: at Darkim You Exposed have found of no known Aboriginal
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Speaker 2: ancestors in their genealogical records. And now there's an eighth.
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Speaker 5: I'm Liz Cameron. I'm of direct descent and I work
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Speaker 5: at the University of Newcastle in the School of Architecture
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Speaker 5: and the Built Environment. One of my roles here is
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Speaker 5: to work with a small Indigenous team. There are five
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Speaker 5: colleagues all up, and our role is to embed Indigenous
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Speaker 5: knowledges within curriculum to transform Indigenous ideas into place keeping
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Speaker 5: and place holding.
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Speaker 2: That aboriginy. Associate Professor Cameron has made clear that her
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Speaker 2: aboriginality is of public interest. In fact, she presents it,
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, as a qualification as you saw in
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Speaker 2: her work as an indigenous academic teaching Aboriginal perspectives now.
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Speaker 2: Unlike say Professor Bruce Pasco, Cameron even identifies her alleged
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal ancestor.
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Speaker 10: I'm of direct descent, which means that my grandmother's country
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Speaker 10: is around the Marramura area, which is around the hawkes
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Speaker 10: Frey River. I've lived in many parts, I guess been
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Speaker 10: a bit of a traveler and lived in many parts
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Speaker 10: of New South Wales, mostly up on the North coast,
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Speaker 10: but have a special heart I guess to place in belonging,
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Speaker 10: which is around this area. I grew up around bee
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Speaker 10: crofton Pennant Hills, and later on after my schooling I
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Speaker 10: moved up to the North coast and lived in around
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Speaker 10: Nambuka and Tari for a few years as well. My
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Speaker 10: grandmother's name was o'meira and she was part of the
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Speaker 10: Stolen generations.
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Speaker 2: Well Mira is actually an Irish name, and indeed Cameron
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Speaker 2: did have a great great grandmother from Ireland called Kate o'meira.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the problem is that genealogists from the website
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Speaker 2: darkm youexpose dot org have gone through genealogical records like
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Speaker 2: birth and death certificates etc. Marriage had found no average
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Speaker 2: of ancestors at all for Cameron. Every one of our
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Speaker 2: ancestors are descended from Europeans. Now sure that researchers may
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Speaker 2: have made a mistake, you know, birth certificates, they could
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Speaker 2: be false. Maybe Cameron herself made an innocent mistake, simply
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Speaker 2: repeating what her parents may have told her. Quite innocent.
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Speaker 2: But Darki mew Exposed wrote to Cameron asking her for
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Speaker 2: her evidence of aboriginality. She did not give a direct
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Speaker 2: response or any evidence, and I wrote to her again
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Speaker 2: no response, and then wrote to Newcastle University asking if
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Speaker 2: their academic their academic would respond to my inquiry and
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Speaker 2: whether the university itself would take action on this information
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Speaker 2: about her background. Now I got a response which I
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Speaker 2: then told the university was deceptive and unsatisfactory, but didn't
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Speaker 2: hear further from them. It said the University of Newcastle
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Speaker 2: does not disclose a comment on the personal information of
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Speaker 2: current former employees. Associate Professor Cameron may respond in her
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Speaker 2: own capacity if she chooses. Apparently Cameron chooses not joining
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Speaker 2: me is Roger carsh the businessman who also runs the
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Speaker 2: Darking You Expose That All website which investigated Cameron's claims.
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Speaker 2: Rogerie Cash, thank you so much for your time. Why
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Speaker 2: did you decide to look into Liz Cameron's background?
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Speaker 11: Well, the usual story is Andrew Abriiginal people write to
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Speaker 11: us when they see an Abridge and academic who doesn't
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Speaker 11: look quite right. They often send us requests saying, oh,
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Speaker 11: can you investigate this person? And if we get one
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Speaker 11: request or even two, we don't do much. But when
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Speaker 11: you get three, four, five, you know that there might
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Speaker 11: be something there. So it's only at the request of
21:45
Speaker 11: my Abaginal friends I know in New South Wales, and
21:48
Speaker 11: she has a very powerful position, so it's not we
21:51
Speaker 11: don't investigate people who in their private life decide to
21:54
Speaker 11: be Aboriginal and that's their private business. But when they
21:57
Speaker 11: go into the public square and they get jobs at
21:59
Speaker 11: universities or in Liz Cabrin's case, she's one of the
22:02
Speaker 11: four famous Indigenous people who are advising the New South
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Speaker 11: Wales government on all things architectural and design for students
22:10
Speaker 11: at universities. It's a very important job. And she says
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Speaker 11: she's Indigenous. So we investigated her and we could not
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Speaker 11: find any Aboriginal ancestors at all. All their ancestors are
22:21
Speaker 11: from Europe.
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Speaker 2: Now, like I said, you know, mistakes can be made,
22:27
Speaker 2: birth certificates incorrectly filled in to disguise some embarrassment or whatever.
22:35
Speaker 2: So you wrote to her, I've written to her. What
22:37
Speaker 2: response did you get from her?
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Speaker 11: So in the first one, I was in a chet
22:43
Speaker 11: group of eleven of her compatriots. So there's the r
22:47
Speaker 11: MIT indigenous scholars, you should know. And I wrote to
22:50
Speaker 11: all of them and I said, look, my Aboriginal friends
22:53
Speaker 11: are asking me to put together some sort of database
22:56
Speaker 11: of Aboriginal people who are academics whatever. And fall wrote back.
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Speaker 11: One lady was lovely. She said, he's my Aboriginal certificate.
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Speaker 11: I'm Aboriginal and everything and like that, and the other
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Speaker 11: three abused me. And one of them was Liz Cameron,
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Speaker 11: who basically said, you know, I'm too old for this
23:13
Speaker 11: crap go away, which is not really the language that
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Speaker 11: you would expect from an academic. So then I wrote
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Speaker 11: back to her with all the details of her family history,
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Speaker 11: the genealogy, the certificates, and I haven't heard anything since then.
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Speaker 2: And I also got the back of the hand and
23:32
Speaker 2: even from the university, which I thought was extraordinary. You've
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Speaker 2: also now written a book on another person who claimed
23:39
Speaker 2: to be Aboriginal. This is aboriginal activist Pat Etoch, who
23:43
Speaker 2: successfully sued me in the federal court for saying she
23:47
Speaker 2: chose to be aboriginal. She even got the judge to
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Speaker 2: ban two of my columns. Now, your book, I, my
23:53
Speaker 2: case witness for the prosecution, says I was stitched up.
23:58
Speaker 2: Now Etoch was not aboriginal, you say, and almost every
24:01
Speaker 2: bit of this part of a statement read out in
24:04
Speaker 2: court was false, she wrote. My grandmother, Lucy Etok, was
24:09
Speaker 2: born in Carnarvan Gorge in central Queensland in eighteen seventy four.
24:14
Speaker 2: This is an Aboriginal birthing place. She was one of
24:17
Speaker 2: the Kiri people. My grandmother's mother was an Aboriginal woman
24:22
Speaker 2: called Kitty, and my grandmother's husband, my grandfather, was an
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal man, Bill Etoch. What in fact is the truth?
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Speaker 2: Are any of those statements apart from her name? The truth.
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Speaker 1: No, they're not, Andrew, you were stitched up.
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Speaker 11: So in our society and now days, a lot of
24:44
Speaker 11: people may have opinions, they may have assertions, but they
24:47
Speaker 11: don't actually have evidence.
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Speaker 1: Right, this book of mine.
24:50
Speaker 11: Is actually proof proof that pad Etoch was not as
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Speaker 11: she claimed.
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Speaker 1: She was mistaken to believe she was Aboriginal.
24:57
Speaker 11: And we did all the genealogy, did all that stuff,
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Speaker 11: so documentary wise, she was not Aboriginal.
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Speaker 1: And I won't give away the book.
25:05
Speaker 11: But then out of left field, someone from her family,
25:08
Speaker 11: from the Etop family, a few members of the Etop
25:10
Speaker 11: family sent me information completely independent of me, which proves
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Speaker 11: that pad Etop was mistaken to believe she was Aboriginal.
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Speaker 1: And the great irony of.
25:22
Speaker 11: This case is that you looked at pad Etop, you
25:25
Speaker 11: said she had you know, you called her a white Aboriginy,
25:28
Speaker 11: she had fair skin, she had was mostly Scottish, which
25:31
Speaker 11: was correct, which is what you said. You said, she
25:35
Speaker 11: dipped into her genealogy, pulled out the aboriginal strand, and
25:39
Speaker 11: used that to represent herself to get jobs, make a
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Speaker 11: political career, and you were stitched up and crucified for
25:45
Speaker 11: doing that. But the great irony is pad Etop did
25:49
Speaker 11: the same. She looked at her grandparents. They had dark skin.
25:52
Speaker 11: She said, ah, they must be Aboriginal. I've seen photo
25:56
Speaker 11: of them. They're Aboriginal. Therefore I'm Aboriginal. So she looked
25:59
Speaker 11: at someone's appearance, someone's her grandparents' skin color.
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Speaker 1: She made assumptions, but she was revered.
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Speaker 11: She went to court and the judge agreed with her,
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Speaker 11: and the lawyers agreed with her. So you were criticized
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Speaker 11: and crucified for exactly the same thing that she did
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Speaker 11: in a reversal of color. And that's the big problem
26:20
Speaker 11: for Australia. That's why we have really serious divisions going
26:25
Speaker 11: on because of the courts favoring certain ideologies to do
26:33
Speaker 11: with race, to do with skin color, and stifling free
26:36
Speaker 11: speech from people like yourself, because you have to.
26:40
Speaker 1: Have free speech to debate these things.
26:42
Speaker 11: So if you had been free to keep talking, you
26:45
Speaker 11: would have convinced everyone that, ultimately that she was wrong.
26:49
Speaker 1: But you didn't. You failed.
26:52
Speaker 2: Well, if my Am barrister had kept asking the questions
26:55
Speaker 2: I was demanding, he asked, we might have got closer
26:58
Speaker 2: to the truth on that particular point. But it's interesting. Look,
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Speaker 2: I don't really want to give away your book, but
27:06
Speaker 2: I must say that I have written and reported its conclusion.
27:10
Speaker 2: I hope people buy it for the unbelievable research you've
27:13
Speaker 2: done and just exactly how it is that something can
27:17
Speaker 2: be made so big at it so nothing. Let me
27:21
Speaker 2: just say that the person she said was an Aboriginal
27:24
Speaker 2: great grandfather or great great grandfather actually had an African
27:30
Speaker 2: American slave as a mother and a slave owner as
27:33
Speaker 2: a father. And that was in the West Indies, not
27:36
Speaker 2: in Australia. But for the rest you'd have to read
27:38
Speaker 2: Roger's book. Roger, where can you buy? Where can people
27:42
Speaker 2: buy your book?
27:45
Speaker 11: I've got it on my website darkmu dot darkmeexposed dot org.
27:51
Speaker 11: It's on Amazon, It's at some bookshops like Fuller's Bookshop
27:55
Speaker 11: in Tasmania. I'm just starting to get it out to
27:57
Speaker 11: the bookshops now. But basically, if you will go to
28:00
Speaker 11: my website darkmuexposed dot org, there's a link there where
28:04
Speaker 11: they can go and buy it.
28:07
Speaker 2: I suspect that you'll have trouble getting bookshops as stccer
28:10
Speaker 2: because it goes against the prevailing narrative. And just lastly,
28:15
Speaker 2: why does this case of apparently fake aboriginality matter.
28:22
Speaker 1: It matters because my book is proof.
28:26
Speaker 11: So in twenty sixteen, the IPA, I think Simon Breeney
28:30
Speaker 11: for IPA wrote an article saying that section eighteen C
28:34
Speaker 11: of the Racial Discrimination.
28:35
Speaker 1: Act would be used as.
28:37
Speaker 11: A battering ram of the left and the far left
28:41
Speaker 11: to stifle free speech in Australia. And he said that,
28:44
Speaker 11: but he didn't actually have proof and it turned out
28:47
Speaker 11: to be right. But my book is proof that the
28:51
Speaker 11: left and the far left had a fake aborigine as
28:55
Speaker 11: a battering ram to use section eighteen C against your
28:59
Speaker 11: free speech and they won. And that's the problem with
29:03
Speaker 11: section eighteen C. And because we're now approaching this whole
29:08
Speaker 11: discussion again with what's happening in Bondai, what's happening with.
29:14
Speaker 1: Antisemitism and everything, we have to.
29:15
Speaker 11: Really be careful what we agree to when it comes
29:18
Speaker 11: to controlling race, hate speech and free speech. And that's
29:24
Speaker 11: why I hope this book is really important, because it
29:26
Speaker 11: says if you don't do it right, you'll get fake people,
29:29
Speaker 11: you get people with the wrong story controlling events in
29:33
Speaker 11: Australia and stifling free speech. If you don't have free speech,
29:36
Speaker 11: you end up like a totalitarian government like in Russia
29:41
Speaker 11: or Iran. Free speech is so important. That's the main point.
29:47
Speaker 2: Rose your Khajh. You've been a worry for the truth.
29:50
Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable the work you've done. Thank you so much,
29:54
Speaker 2: indeed for your time.
29:57
Speaker 1: All right, thank you Andrew.
30:01
Speaker 2: After the break. One of our top artists is the
30:03
Speaker 2: arts industry is hijacked by the work left and the
30:05
Speaker 2: evidence today is shocking. A friend of mine, Tim Storier,
30:15
Speaker 2: is one of Australia's top artists. Brilliant at painting fire,
30:20
Speaker 2: but some of his other paintings make clear he thinks
30:22
Speaker 2: we're in decline, decaying, things are falling apart is right,
30:27
Speaker 2: and it's a rare thing in the art world. A conservative.
30:30
Speaker 2: It's usually mediocriates who are attracted to the left to
30:33
Speaker 2: safety in a collective anyway. Tim Storier is giving a
30:37
Speaker 2: speech to note at the Sydney Institute, warning that the
30:39
Speaker 2: arts industry has been hijacked by the work Left and
30:43
Speaker 2: is helping to spread hatred of Israel and of Jewish artists.
30:47
Speaker 2: Has given a preview of what he'll say.
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Speaker 6: I can't bear the fact that all our cultural institutions
30:54
Speaker 6: have been suborned by a dreadful code from these MC militant.
31:03
Speaker 2: And right on cue to prove him right, the Sydney Writers'
31:07
Speaker 2: Festival announces that its star guest will be anti Israel
31:10
Speaker 2: academic Randa Abdelfphatta, who has railed against the genocide and
31:14
Speaker 2: racism of our white settler colonial outposts and declared the
31:18
Speaker 2: massacre of Jews by Hamas gave her a glimmer of hope.
31:24
Speaker 2: Our official entrance for the Presidious Biennial in Venice, the Venicepiana,
31:29
Speaker 2: funded by taxpayers is Elebnies, Australian artists who years ago
31:33
Speaker 2: did an artwork seem to valorize the now dead leader
31:35
Speaker 2: of the Hesperalo terrorist group. And on it goes, joining
31:38
Speaker 2: me Is Roe and Dean A's are in chief of
31:40
Speaker 2: The Spectator Australia, host of Outsiders every Sunday at nine
31:43
Speaker 2: am and host of his own show on Fridays at
31:46
Speaker 2: seven pm. And in his spare time he comes on
31:48
Speaker 2: this show, Rowan, great to see you again. There is
31:52
Speaker 2: our friend Tim Storriot.
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Speaker 1: Right.
31:54
Speaker 2: The arts industry is helping to whip up a hatred
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Speaker 2: of Israel and of Jews.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. Tim story is one of Australia's greatest painters, and
32:04
Speaker 7: we're very lucky to have him as a painter, to
32:06
Speaker 7: have his talent the way he has. Some of the
32:08
Speaker 7: paintings you showed capture the most extraordinary outback settings. He
32:14
Speaker 7: used to sit up there at Lake Air with Barry
32:16
Speaker 7: Humphreys and take do these amazing paintings. Not only is
32:20
Speaker 7: he a great artist himself, he's a great appreciator of art.
32:25
Speaker 7: And yet I bet you won't find a school book,
32:28
Speaker 7: or an arts class or anything in a modern Australian
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Speaker 7: school or university that teaches the genius of Tim's storier.
32:36
Speaker 7: That's because, as Tim says, it's all been captured, captured
32:39
Speaker 7: by the left, by the wop left, and increasingly by
32:42
Speaker 7: the pro Palestinian wop left. Whatever artistic endeavor you look
32:48
Speaker 7: at these days, and I use the term artistic in
32:51
Speaker 7: its absolute loosest sense, you'll probably find something desperately ugly,
32:57
Speaker 7: desperately unimaginative, highly politicized, and scratch a bit further and
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Speaker 7: you'll find taxpayer money and lots of it at the
33:07
Speaker 7: root of it. Now, art is something. Art is one
33:11
Speaker 7: of the great great joys of humanity, of human existence,
33:15
Speaker 7: the great artists of the past, the Renaissance, the great sculptors,
33:19
Speaker 7: the great musicians, if you go through them, Andrew, you
33:23
Speaker 7: will find that proportionately. And you know, I don't like
33:26
Speaker 7: to use stereotypes and generalizations, but the truth is, you
33:30
Speaker 7: will find a much higher proportion of Jewish artists represented
33:35
Speaker 7: in every field of art you can imagine, from rock
33:39
Speaker 7: music to painting, to writing, to the appreciation of arts,
33:44
Speaker 7: to acting, to cinema, to Hollywood to comedy, you name it,
33:49
Speaker 7: you will find a greater proportion of Jewish artists there.
33:52
Speaker 7: There is no question that, for whatever reason, within the
33:56
Speaker 7: Jewish DNA makeup, there is an astonishing artistic ability. So
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Speaker 7: if you're running an art show and you're actually so
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Speaker 7: heavily politicized and so pro Islamic in your views that
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Speaker 7: you are turning a blind eye. As Tim points out,
34:11
Speaker 7: great great singers like Debra Conway, Willie Ziegler, others turned
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Speaker 7: away from these shows because their Israeli ie, because their Jews.
34:18
Speaker 7: If you're doing that, you're not an appreciator of arts.
34:21
Speaker 7: You are a vile anti Semite, and you are a
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Speaker 7: politicized bug. And unfortunately that describes the Australian arts community.
34:31
Speaker 7: It's high time the taxpayer said enough is enough. I
34:34
Speaker 7: can't see any bits of art now at most of
34:37
Speaker 7: our modern art galleries in the modern section that don't
34:40
Speaker 7: make you actually want to throw up. They're so ordinary, tasteless, ugly,
34:45
Speaker 7: gearish and politicized, and they always need a little explanation
34:48
Speaker 7: next to them, because you wouldn't have a clue what
34:50
Speaker 7: they're about otherwise. I've had enough of it. I think
34:52
Speaker 7: most Australians have had enough of it. We'd like our
34:54
Speaker 7: art galleries back. We'd like to see proper art in them.
34:57
Speaker 7: We'd like to see art that and lift your soul
35:00
Speaker 7: and your spirit, not drags you down this turgid, woke,
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Speaker 7: ghastly pro Palestinian sewer that most of the arts community
35:09
Speaker 7: seem to want to inhabit.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me too, this is an aspect of
35:16
Speaker 2: what he's talking about, because not just the anti Israel stuff.
35:20
Speaker 2: Hating Australia now seems to be a luxury opinion, you know,
35:24
Speaker 2: that's just the elite, specidopt I love this piece in
35:28
Speaker 2: the Australian today is Mount Blanc has opened a new
35:32
Speaker 2: building in Sydney to flog its pens. You know these
35:35
Speaker 2: are luxury pens up to eighteen thousand dollars, can you believe?
35:39
Speaker 2: And it's collaborated with the poet to create a mural
35:42
Speaker 2: featuring some of a writing. It's this artist that Jazz Money,
35:46
Speaker 2: someone also identifying as Aboriginal, claim to struggle with this
35:49
Speaker 2: colonizer's language called English issues.
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Speaker 8: Being a First Nations person, I'm very aware of how
35:57
Speaker 8: much story is embedded in All the best things I
36:01
Speaker 8: write are straining at the edges of the colonizer's language.
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Speaker 12: I have to be thoughtful about what it is to
36:08
Speaker 12: work with English, which is this very imposed, clunky colonial language,
36:14
Speaker 12: when there is a language that is so much more
36:17
Speaker 12: beautiful and more relevant.
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Speaker 2: But Rod, I'm glad to tell you that jazz Money
36:23
Speaker 2: has done alright with English, winning at least three grants
36:26
Speaker 2: for being an Aboriginal writer, including money that comes from
36:30
Speaker 2: a capitalist country. It's spoke blasting capitalism and greed and
36:34
Speaker 2: announcing Australia's a cop state, no colony, Australia cannot be
36:38
Speaker 2: saved land backed liberations, sovereignty Ron. It seems that jazz
36:42
Speaker 2: Money is having it both ways. This anti capitalist who
36:46
Speaker 2: is called money.
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Speaker 1: Look good honors. She can go for it.
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Speaker 7: She can do whatever, write whatever she wants to write.
36:53
Speaker 7: But as I said, the obscenity and the absolute disgrace
36:57
Speaker 7: behind all of this is the taxpayers are funding this
36:59
Speaker 7: rubbish jazz money. Go and write whatever you want and
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Speaker 7: in whatever language you can choose, and if people are
37:05
Speaker 7: so inspired by your words, or your use of language
37:07
Speaker 7: or your imagination, they will buy your works. And they
37:10
Speaker 7: will willingly buy your works from bookshops and places like
37:15
Speaker 7: that where they will put out their money. And that
37:17
Speaker 7: is how you will earn your living. Remove the grants
37:20
Speaker 7: and let's just see how good jazz money is. As
37:22
Speaker 7: for the mont Blanc shop. If fall through history, some
37:26
Speaker 7: of the greatest artists a Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelow had
37:31
Speaker 7: a basically a patron, a sponsor who so believed in
37:35
Speaker 7: their art that they would give them money to support
37:37
Speaker 7: them to do their work. That's terrific. But that sponsor,
37:41
Speaker 7: that patron must not or should not be the taxpayer.
37:45
Speaker 7: It should be someone wealthy whose judgment is such that
37:48
Speaker 7: they find jazz money so inspiring they want to buy
37:51
Speaker 7: her books and publicize the works. Terrific, do it, but
37:54
Speaker 7: remove the taxpayer from the equation, and we'll very very
37:58
Speaker 7: quickly find out just how good Jazz Money's language skills
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Speaker 7: are and her ability to put them down on paper
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Speaker 7: in a manner that inspires the rest of us.
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Speaker 2: I think we face a fundamental choice. You fund the
38:14
Speaker 2: artists directly, and that mean a bureaucrat decides, or you
38:18
Speaker 2: fund consumption of art like a tax break and anything
38:21
Speaker 2: you choose to buy, in which case the consumer decides
38:24
Speaker 2: who the artists are. Notice that we are in the
38:27
Speaker 2: top down bit. The arts grants are given directly by
38:31
Speaker 2: artists to artists, no wonder. It's like that, Ron Dean,
38:34
Speaker 2: thank you so much, indeed for your time. After the break,
38:37
Speaker 2: secret documentcies from Hamas claim a World Vision boss in
38:41
Speaker 2: Gaza had links to the terrorists group. Some popular lies
38:50
Speaker 2: about Gaza slowly being exposed. Three examples from the past week.
38:54
Speaker 2: Just post as a video of a walk taken through
38:58
Speaker 2: Gaza City, part of a series on called Arab Ambiance
39:03
Speaker 2: of walking through Arab Cities. They've done a few through
39:07
Speaker 2: Gaza over the last couple of years and this shows yes,
39:09
Speaker 2: indeed bombed out buildings, but also lots and lots of
39:13
Speaker 2: food being sold on the street and in markets, and
39:17
Speaker 2: honestly it claims that Israel is causing mass starvation are wrong.
39:23
Speaker 2: Then second, the Medicine Sans Frontiers, the AID group Medical
39:27
Speaker 2: Aid group that savaged Israel repeatedly for attacking hospitals that
39:32
Speaker 2: Israel says how mus was using the fight from it's admitted, Oh,
39:37
Speaker 2: we've had to suspend non critical care at the NASA
39:39
Speaker 2: hospital complex and carn Unis also in Gaza because of
39:43
Speaker 2: the quote presence of armed men, some of the masked intimidation,
39:48
Speaker 2: arbitrary arrests of patients, and a recent situation involving the
39:51
Speaker 2: suspected movement of weapons well the hospital of the Nasis
39:55
Speaker 2: that they all do in Gaza, whenever Israel says, we've
39:59
Speaker 2: got evidence shows it. And to the third example, this
40:02
Speaker 2: rail three years ago convicted the Gaza director of World Vision,
40:07
Speaker 2: Mohammad al Halabi, for diverting fifty million dollars of aid
40:11
Speaker 2: money to Hamas and to help build its tunnels. He
40:16
Speaker 2: was released last year in a swap of Perasinian prisoners
40:19
Speaker 2: for three Israeli hostages. Here's the ABC report back.
40:23
Speaker 13: Then, after more than eighty years in jail, Muhammad al
40:27
Speaker 13: Hullaby served time for a crime. He his employer and
40:31
Speaker 13: the Australian government say never happened.
40:34
Speaker 14: They had no evidence. They convicted me with no evidence,
40:37
Speaker 14: and they relied on the visit of the world that
40:40
Speaker 14: they have a second find which is not which does
40:44
Speaker 14: not exist. They did didn't be just because we were
40:47
Speaker 14: giving the heads and the relief airs to the Gaza people.
40:50
Speaker 14: They wanted to tighten the siege under Bluquad which was
40:53
Speaker 14: over Gaza.
40:56
Speaker 2: Now the spattle as the nials and those reports of
40:59
Speaker 2: wicked Israel jailing an innocent AID worker. Documents at Israel
41:03
Speaker 2: says it sees from Hamas facilities in Gaza during this
41:07
Speaker 2: war now show Hamas discussing exactly how Mohammad al Hullaby
41:13
Speaker 2: was in contact with some of its members in the
41:15
Speaker 2: militant wing, and Hamas had grilled Palatini witnesses in his
41:19
Speaker 2: trial and stop others from giving evidence against them. Hullabee,
41:24
Speaker 2: who is now in Gaza, says this is nonsense. It
41:26
Speaker 2: just shows that Hamas was fooled by Israel's lies and
41:30
Speaker 2: was looking for this money you supposedly stole. Joining me.
41:34
Speaker 2: Christy McSweeney's worth for coalition prime ministers and premiers and
41:37
Speaker 2: karenin LaRusso commentator and President of the West Australian Liberals
41:43
Speaker 2: Caroline turns out that Israel might be telling the truth
41:46
Speaker 2: more often than journists give it credit for.
41:50
Speaker 15: Well, this is just the latest in a long line
41:52
Speaker 15: of Gosh, isn't this unsurprising? And look, very many allegations
41:58
Speaker 15: have been made Andrew over the last three years. A
42:02
Speaker 15: lot of them have turned out to not be the case.
42:05
Speaker 15: And you know that there was a period of time
42:07
Speaker 15: when the Australian government did put a pause on funding
42:12
Speaker 15: into the area. And if we're talking about taxpayers money,
42:14
Speaker 15: we've got to be very careful about where that money goes.
42:18
Speaker 15: And you know, I understand those concerns around there not
42:22
Speaker 15: being sufficient transparency to how Australian dollars are spent overseas,
42:27
Speaker 15: and in circumstances like that, I think it's always best
42:30
Speaker 15: to be prudent because you know, and we've seen this.
42:33
Speaker 15: How many times have we seen this with UNRA, right,
42:36
Speaker 15: how many times have we seen the closeness the closeness
42:41
Speaker 15: of you know, people within UNRO, employees within UNRO also
42:45
Speaker 15: attached to Humus, So, like I said, totally unsurprising very disappointing,
42:50
Speaker 15: and I'm just waiting for the day, Andrew, when the
42:52
Speaker 15: West will learn.
42:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, the United Nations Agency for Palestine in refugees, that's
43:01
Speaker 2: seventy five years or so since they started to exist. Honestly,
43:06
Speaker 2: what the amount of money that's gone to hermosoteris from
43:10
Speaker 2: that is just a scandal. Christy, what do you make
43:14
Speaker 2: of all this?
43:16
Speaker 16: Look, I do think, Andrew, getting back to your point
43:20
Speaker 16: and Caroline's surprise, surprise, reporting hasn't been objective, And once
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Speaker 16: upon a time we had serious journalists who were experienced,
43:30
Speaker 16: who did their job to report objective news, balanced from
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Speaker 16: war zones, around significant events that were occurring in the
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Speaker 16: world and particularly in the Middle East. We don't have
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Speaker 16: that anymore. We have clickbait journalism, we have activist journalism,
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Speaker 16: and we have people, perhaps to put it kindly, peppering
43:55
Speaker 16: their reporting with things that they might be to believe.
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Speaker 2: Look to the Isis brides, Caroline, the government says, oh, look,
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Speaker 2: we've got to issue these passports. You know, that's not
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Speaker 2: helping them. They're Austrange citizens. We're obliged by Lord to
44:16
Speaker 2: give them. I don't know that's absolutely true. For a start,
44:20
Speaker 2: why not test the children do DNA tests to make
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Speaker 2: sure they are the children of these women and not
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Speaker 2: some other person's children, and therefore giving someone back in
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Speaker 2: Syria the right to come here because that's their child
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Speaker 2: in Australia. And also the government can deny a passport
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Speaker 2: to people they consider would and I'm quoting here engage
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Speaker 2: in conduct that might prejudice the security of Australia or
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Speaker 2: might in danger the health or physical safety of other persons.
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Speaker 2: Women who volunteered to live among Islamic State terrorists. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if I trust them. I mean, it seems
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Speaker 2: to me there's a fair bit of evidence there. Already
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Speaker 2: just said prima facie banned them from coming back.
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Speaker 15: And there's also obviously to distinguish with obviously any children
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Speaker 15: that were born in Australia and taken over and those
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Speaker 15: children that were born overseas that also different rules apply there.
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Speaker 15: I think, Andrew, I always get back to this point.
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Speaker 15: They chose to leave, and the only reason they want
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Speaker 15: to come back is because the caliphate life didn't quite
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Speaker 15: work out the way that they had.
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Speaker 1: Hoped it to.
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Speaker 15: So it was all fine when they were, you know,
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Speaker 15: dancing on the bonnets of range rovers channing death to
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Speaker 15: Australia hasn't quite turned out to be the utopia that
45:39
Speaker 15: they were all hoping for. Well, at some point you
45:42
Speaker 15: do need to be accountable for all that. And what
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Speaker 15: has been very very interesting because we've already had two
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Speaker 15: tranches of this cohort come back to Australia and you know,
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Speaker 15: the government has been been very cute with how much
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Speaker 15: assistance they have given up into this, and of course
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Speaker 15: this is the first tranch post BONDI and it was
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Speaker 15: very interesting to hear the Prime Minister's comments this week
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Speaker 15: because they're vastly different to the comments that he has
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Speaker 15: made previously. Because I have a feeling the focus groups
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Speaker 15: have not been as keen perhaps on the Isis brides
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Speaker 15: as you know that they thought that they could get
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Speaker 15: away within the past. So I call bs on pretty
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Speaker 15: much everything that either Albow or Burke ha said in
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Speaker 15: the last few days because I think there's a lot
46:27
Speaker 15: of butck covering going on. And I understand that a
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Speaker 15: temporary rejection has been made and I'm sure Andrew they
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Speaker 15: will just wait until the electorate is distracted on something
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Speaker 15: else before that, you know that band is no longer temporary.
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Speaker 2: I suspect you're right, Christie, what do you make of
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Speaker 2: all this? Because I find it really quite strange that
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Speaker 2: we have not been to well. I think we should
46:54
Speaker 2: be told that how those original two groups that were
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Speaker 2: brought back here, how they have fared, how many are
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Speaker 2: still in welfare, how many have been in trouble, how
47:04
Speaker 2: many where they live? That might be a good one too,
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Speaker 2: Not not their street address, of course, but what suburb.
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Speaker 2: We should know more about the ones we've brought back
47:14
Speaker 2: already before we agreed to accept.
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Speaker 16: Anymore with less scrutiny over the past twelve months. When
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Speaker 16: Australians first learned about this issue, of course, the government
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Speaker 16: was very distracted with the XYQ issue, and the former
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Speaker 16: minister Andrew Giles that they cut off as a barnacle
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Speaker 16: before they could get on top of the immigration portfolio.
47:37
Speaker 16: We did have two tranches repatriated, but that was done
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Speaker 16: under distraction. This last cohort, I can only assume they're
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Speaker 16: the last cohort because they are the most difficult, perhaps
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Speaker 16: to get past security vetting. The government has to make
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Speaker 16: a decision and I think the government is really influenced
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Speaker 16: as well by the re energized coalition and perhaps one
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Speaker 16: nation's polling results as well. And as Caroline said, focus groups,
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Speaker 16: the government's position of the past, which is we'll just
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Speaker 16: let this buy while everybody's distracted, has now had to
48:17
Speaker 16: have some more accountability to it. And I finally want
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Speaker 16: to mention I heard James Patterson today say he understands
48:25
Speaker 16: that there has been an offer made for repatriation of children,
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Speaker 16: but the women who are the mothers of those children
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Speaker 16: have refused repatriation unless it is a whole family unit,
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Speaker 16: and we must get that established early. If indeed that
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Speaker 16: statement is the correct one, that the opposition has been
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Speaker 16: briefed by security agencies or is heard by security agencies,
48:48
Speaker 16: because a lot of truths get manipulated when we talk
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Speaker 16: about these issues.
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Speaker 2: Just finally, I've got twenty seconds left. Caroline angus Taylor's
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Speaker 2: front bench better than Susan Lee's.
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Speaker 15: I'm personally very happy with this front bench. I think
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Speaker 15: it's very balanced. I think, you know, you've got more
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Speaker 15: people playing to their wheelhouse, which I think is incredibly important,
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Speaker 15: and a lot more workhorses up there who are going
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Speaker 15: to have a huge amount of work ahead of them.
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Speaker 15: So I wish them best of luck. And obviously the
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Speaker 15: organization sits behind and support them, but there's an awful
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Speaker 15: long way to go.
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Speaker 2: Good on, you've got to go. Thank you very much
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