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The CEO Mindset feat. Michael Johnson · We Talk Back

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio
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  Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network.
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  Speaker 2: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion to talks.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a
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  Speaker 1: new episode and we talked back and oh god, I
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  Speaker 1: went way back when a show dedicated to you niggas
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  Speaker 1: and you bitches and holes.
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  Speaker 2: And everything in between, we forgot, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: What's up y'all? Is your girl a j holiday? What's up? Tamam?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, y'all is tamvam. I love y'all so so very much.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy y'all came back.
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  Speaker 1: This is my favorite to them, like, I know they
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  Speaker 1: heard it. You can't hear me, No, we can hear you.
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  Speaker 1: But your titties was ruffling the mic. Girl, No, they
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  Speaker 1: did not grow. It was just too close to your anatomy.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I love y'all, and I'm glad y'all came back
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  Speaker 2: again this week. How you doing. How it was your weekend?
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine, girl?
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  Speaker 1: My weekend? You know, I don't be doing much. I
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  Speaker 1: might I might be in Charlotte this weekend, possibly for
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  Speaker 1: my niece's twenty eighth birthday, but I'd be enjoying my
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  Speaker 1: solitude pretty much, can lie Okay, I'd be looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to doing fucking nothing. Yeah, it feels good. It feels
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  Speaker 1: really good. I'm just doing what I want to do
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  Speaker 1: because I got to travel and all that shit. I'd
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  Speaker 1: be like, did you have a weekend? Not so much. No,
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  Speaker 1: I need a weekend after the weekend, right, would just
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  Speaker 1: be wanting to do Costco on TJ Max. That's it
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  Speaker 1: for the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Girl, you need a TJ Max. We need a Costco sponsorship.
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  Speaker 1: They asked me every time if I want that TJ
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  Speaker 1: Max credit card? Like, girl, I'm trying to buy a
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  Speaker 1: damn house. No, I don't need that credit card. I
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  Speaker 1: do need that credit.
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  Speaker 2: Card credit card for your house.
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  Speaker 1: Right, need is a booster with an unlimited gift card.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I do need.
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  Speaker 3: It me and somebody.
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  Speaker 2: It was Ben at Dick Ben Dick's homecoming this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: BC that I didn't need participating. I didn't either.
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  Speaker 3: I was right.
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  Speaker 2: I did not go. I did not feel good. I
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  Speaker 2: went to Chicago last week and I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: must have came like something about that flight. I was coughing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I still you can hear it A
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  Speaker 2: little bitsy.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, I was picturing you in the field eating barbecue,
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  Speaker 1: like I just knew you was out.
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  Speaker 2: There, and that was the plan. That was the plan.
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  Speaker 2: But I felt so bad. I stayed here. I slept
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  Speaker 2: till three o'clock on Saturday. I took the day off
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  Speaker 2: to go to the game, and then slept till three o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't make it. I just felt damn. I just
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  Speaker 2: felt bad, and I was so sad. I was looking
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  Speaker 2: at all the pictures of everybody at homecoming. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't need to go, but you know, your body
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  Speaker 2: will sit you down.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so I didn't pull a trigger on a costume.
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  Speaker 1: That's really why I didn't go either.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have nothing to wear for Halloween, and I know
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  Speaker 1: they was having like the good little, good old Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: You could have just bought some and put it on
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  Speaker 2: your head. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I wanted to dress up you know who. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to dress up as Alvira from Scarface. Remember she
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  Speaker 1: came down and elevating that green dress with the with
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  Speaker 1: the blonde bob, Like, that's what I wanted to dress
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  Speaker 1: up as. Alf It's Alvera in it. Alfita, it's Elvera.
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  Speaker 2: Another kl you love me in the morning her right, Yeah, scarface,
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  Speaker 2: just gonna put some cocoa your nose, yeh.
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  Speaker 1: Think about that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, yes, I missed that. I just kind of rested.
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  Speaker 2: That was it.
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  Speaker 1: Man, When your body tell you to lay down, lay
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  Speaker 1: the fuck down, like you know I am. I don't
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  Speaker 1: be pushing myself to do ship. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do no more. I just don't. You know, if a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of me say do it, I'm gonna do it.
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  Speaker 1: But if everything in me say bitch nor, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: doing it.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't do my hair because I felt bad.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you just don't have the energy. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I ain't going out there with the same old quick week,
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  Speaker 2: so I ain't go and you just still look better
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  Speaker 2: than boom.
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  Speaker 1: A large percentage, A large percentage.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get this in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, going on? Okay, So, y'all, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: y'all saw this story on social media, which is just
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  Speaker 1: a black woman who has a Golds gym membership's she's
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  Speaker 1: in the gym and in walks a grown ass man. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and it's supposedly allegedly a trans woman. Okay, but this
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  Speaker 1: man just has on earrings. And the thing is, most
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  Speaker 1: of the trans people don't even be like actual trans
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  Speaker 1: they haven't actually transitioned, you know, they still have their
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  Speaker 1: male parts and they're showing up in female spaces. And
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  Speaker 1: one thing this woman did say, she said, if you
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  Speaker 1: are a trans woman, you actually like, y'all don't even
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  Speaker 1: respect actual women's minds at all, you know, because if you,
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  Speaker 1: if you were a woman, you would respect women's minds.
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  Speaker 1: And they just don't. Like That's why it's still a man.
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  Speaker 1: It's very manly. What's that doing.
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  Speaker 2: So this person walked into the female locker room and
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  Speaker 2: the black lady went crazy.
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  Speaker 1: She was butt naked in there, and a grown man
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  Speaker 1: walks in and she said it in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: GOLs gym. And she's a lesbian to add that to
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  Speaker 1: the to the pod, right, she's a lesbian herself. And
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  Speaker 1: she says, you know a lot of y'all trans men
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  Speaker 1: like y'all, y'all were never little girls like y'all never
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  Speaker 1: been touched before. Like she was like that shit, like
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  Speaker 1: does something to me? Right, And a lot of women
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  Speaker 1: I think are have had things happen to them, you
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  Speaker 1: know why they don't fuck with men, right and then
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  Speaker 1: now here it is you have this, this, you can't
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  Speaker 1: do anything about it. And she's the one who was
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  Speaker 1: put out, which.
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  Speaker 2: I thought was weird. But maybe I think they put
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  Speaker 2: her out because she was raising hell that the woman.
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  Speaker 1: Was allegedly kicked out and terminated from Goals gym all
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  Speaker 1: because she doesn't want to see penises unsolicited in a
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  Speaker 1: woman's locker room. There's some bullshit. Yeah, so this is
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  Speaker 1: in LA. Also, the post says, so remember this when
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  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom decides to run for president, this is what
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  Speaker 1: you got to look forward to. Like, we got a
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  Speaker 1: little break from this ship right now. I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, y'all. Y'all don't feel like this shit died
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  Speaker 1: down just a little tidy bit, you know, since the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the year, because I do.
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  Speaker 2: I just think we got on other stuff. That's why
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  Speaker 2: we haven't been focused on this. Niggas ain't got no
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  Speaker 2: food stamps, stay worried about no dicks right now? In
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  Speaker 2: that part, Yeah, but I feel her like because I
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  Speaker 2: don't like getting unsolicited dick picks, and I like, did
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  Speaker 2: you know? So imagine if you don't and you're just
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  Speaker 2: trying to exercise and be healthy and you got to
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  Speaker 2: see a random dick. Yeah, I feel her.
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  Speaker 1: You know, have you have you had ever had any
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  Speaker 1: conversations with guys and they tell you their experience in
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  Speaker 1: the locker rooms and the gyms and how it be
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  Speaker 1: niggas in there with thongs on.
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  Speaker 2: No, I've never heard that.
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  Speaker 1: You know in Charlotte that my homeboy goes to the
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  Speaker 1: club fitness off of university. You know, a pack that
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  Speaker 1: should be like a real club. It's real live club
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  Speaker 1: fitness in that bitch, right, But he said, niggas be
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  Speaker 1: like the punks, Okay, the punks, the girls be in
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  Speaker 1: the locker room with the thongs on. Like what is
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  Speaker 1: a heterosexual man supposed to do with that?
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  Speaker 2: Mind his business?
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  Speaker 1: Right like that? But I feel like that's a little
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  Speaker 1: that's a little violation as well.
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  Speaker 2: No, because as long as he in his right locker room,
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  Speaker 2: you can't do nothing about what a nigga got on
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  Speaker 2: mine your business.
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  Speaker 1: You're like this squad, look at it. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: lie and my exercise folder or Instagram while I put
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  Speaker 1: all the shit that I have not done yet in
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  Speaker 1: the gym that I'm watching everybody else do on their page.
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  Speaker 1: It means some baby booty niggas. I got in my
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  Speaker 1: save folder.
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  Speaker 2: Workouts and he'd be doing like this little squad workout. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: his but look good. I know he got a throng
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  Speaker 2: on none of there. I know he's never high or
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  Speaker 2: free balling too. So I don't know if you guys
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  Speaker 2: saw this, but mother of R and B singer Sammy
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  Speaker 2: arrested on charges of second degree murder and shooting into
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  Speaker 2: a vehicle, allegedly killing twenty seven and your old wife
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  Speaker 2: and mother of two.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if if y'all you might have
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  Speaker 1: cut out a little bit, but you did, did say
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  Speaker 1: mother of Sammy? Not Sammy?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Sammy, the R and B singer His mom.
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  Speaker 2: His mom was shooting randomly at cars because she thought
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  Speaker 2: someone was following her, and she shot into a car
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  Speaker 2: that was carrying a twenty seven year old Nakia bah
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  Speaker 2: Collier and she was found shot on enough Powers drive
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  Speaker 2: and she died. And so now his mother is facing
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  Speaker 2: charges for second degree murder. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people be suffering from mental illness, and sometimes we're not
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  Speaker 2: doing enough, you know, because we be knowing. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: his new I knew his mama was I'm sure he
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  Speaker 2: knew his mama wanting right, you know, but.
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  Speaker 1: Can you really do right? So there's no cure for
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  Speaker 1: mental illness. I think a lot of it might take accountability,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the person having to take accountability that they
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  Speaker 1: even have a problem, and then they got to want
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  Speaker 1: to want the help, right, So people they medicate, these
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  Speaker 1: people in abe zombies, and people get tired of not
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  Speaker 1: being themselves. You know, this is a plethora of reasons
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  Speaker 1: why people don't, you know, stick to the meds and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. But what are you what can you
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  Speaker 1: really do? You know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, at least try to keep these
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  Speaker 2: people up, try to keep getting away from her motherfucking ass.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. I mean, but this is a grown woman,
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  Speaker 1: this is a grown adult. They probably don't live together.
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  Speaker 1: She you know, probably on her own, and maybe she
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  Speaker 1: has never done anything. This is extreme extreme, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe just recently escalated. And this is this is
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  Speaker 1: actually weird and terrible. I'm very said, very much so.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he in jail too, ain't it He
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  Speaker 2: in jail on some child cruelty shit?
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  Speaker 1: Oh sammy, Yeah, I hadn't heard that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just went to jail last week too on
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  Speaker 2: some child cruelty shit.
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  Speaker 1: You're making that up? No, let me see y'all. Of course, Sammy,
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  Speaker 1: I've been hanging out.
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  Speaker 2: With ray J, ray J and Brandy hugged it out.
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  Speaker 2: Really yep, that's on stage.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I do see. It's as Sammy invested and
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  Speaker 1: charged with charged with cruelty to children and battery. This
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  Speaker 1: is on October twenty six. Was recently invested in Atlanta, Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: following an incident where he was charged with cruelty to
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  Speaker 1: children and battery. Although no additional details have been reported,
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  Speaker 1: Sammy has since been released, as he recently shared a
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  Speaker 1: post regarding one music fest this weekend. Okay, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: he had cruelty to children, third degree witness something and
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: then battery, family violence and then fugitive in state like
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  Speaker 1: what and he posted just a picture like headed to
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  Speaker 1: one music Festall what y'all on? What y'all on? Like
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  Speaker 1: once he got out? Like what I mean, Listen, I
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  Speaker 1: don't never need nobody to make a statement about some
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  Speaker 1: shit life be happening, all type of we don't know
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  Speaker 1: what transpired. We know that men definitely violate people, right
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  Speaker 1: and we're not saying all men, but it's always a man.
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  Speaker 1: And we know that some women be making it hard
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  Speaker 1: for some men to be pearents and your ass might
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  Speaker 1: end up in jail and some shit you ain't do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, just not even playing devil's advocate,
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  Speaker 1: just showing both sides of the thing when you don't
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  Speaker 1: have all the information. So I don't know. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even hear about that shit, So I wonder what came
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  Speaker 1: of it. Is it true?
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  Speaker 2: And he's key to make you fucked him up?
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  Speaker 1: You hear me, okay, girl? Like I remember one time
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  Speaker 1: liking bad kids. I ain't gonna lie, man, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I know. I wasn't like a super bad kid,
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  Speaker 1: but i'd be liking bad kids a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like them. I remember one time we were
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  Speaker 2: on vacation. We were in Brussels, and me and my sister
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  Speaker 2: and it was her two kids. It was like a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of family on this trip to Brussels, and we
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  Speaker 2: were walking and my niece was being so terrible, like
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  Speaker 2: she just would not listen. She's just doing what the
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  Speaker 2: fuck she wanted. And my sister was at her wits
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  Speaker 2: end and My sister walked up to me and grabbed
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  Speaker 2: me by my shoulders and she said, Tammy, I need
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  Speaker 2: you to get your niece cause I'm going to kill
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  Speaker 2: her today if you don't. And I believed her like
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  Speaker 2: she did. It wasn't like I was scared for my niece,
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  Speaker 2: Like girl, yo, Mama about to in you out this motherfucker.
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  Speaker 2: So kids will make you want to kill they assad,
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  Speaker 2: So it might have.
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  Speaker 1: Been got a lot of patience.
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  Speaker 2: Man, she's not. She's she's the very peaceful calm. That's
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  Speaker 2: why when she said that, I was like, oh shit,
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  Speaker 2: you don't turn my peaceful sister ready to kill your
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  Speaker 2: motherfucking ass. Come on, come here, let me take my hand,
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  Speaker 2: because you're about to die today if you don't tighten up.
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  Speaker 1: Badasses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but not not advocating for child abuse or anything,
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  Speaker 2: but these kids will take you through there, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I never understand like especially the teenagers, like
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  Speaker 1: I do not believe you should be putting your hands
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  Speaker 1: on little people like when they get about ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: bust they ass up, okay, but like little ones not
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  Speaker 1: so much. But like the preteens, yeah, it's time for
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: them to get their hair busts if they if you
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: maybe you messed up a little bit of something, gave
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  Speaker 1: them too much wade when they were a little bit younger,
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  Speaker 1: and now they like really acting out. But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: My nieces, my nieces and nephews like they real good people,
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  Speaker 1: good kids, you know, they never I gotta take that back.
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  Speaker 1: I actually my niece, my oldest niece, that bitch was
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  Speaker 1: a terror. It's a little kid, right, yes, And I
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  Speaker 1: used to like because I don't believe in people like
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  Speaker 1: I could not wait for her to get her rasshop
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  Speaker 1: I'm in. One day my mama beat her rass so
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  Speaker 1: bad and Applebee's girl, I was in the car like, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: like she just was cutting up for no reason, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a low four year old five year
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  Speaker 1: old just cutting up. Nah, she popped that little butt up.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I was so happy that ask I'd be And one
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  Speaker 1: time my nephew. My nephew is not bad, but he
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  Speaker 1: like has always thought he was the smartest in the room,
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  Speaker 1: even as a little two three year old and he
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  Speaker 1: might have been about seven and eight. And my sister
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  Speaker 1: husband his dad beat his ass.
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  Speaker 3: Boy.
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  Speaker 1: I was so happy she had that niggas spinning around
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen floor like a little windmill. I was, so,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all, don let him get away with so
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  Speaker 1: much shit. I've watched these couple of days I've been
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  Speaker 1: over here. Beat that ass anyway?
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  Speaker 2: Please?
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: All right, y'all, you know I gotta add in that
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: messy meme segment again because I'd be saving all types
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  Speaker 1: of shit. I got a folder I call that's called
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: memes for talking shit. That's the folding for like funny
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  Speaker 1: should I see?
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  Speaker 3: So?
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  Speaker 1: Rich Dollars tweeted the other day and he said, you
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  Speaker 1: in a section with your friends and your man? Is
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: it inappropriate for your homegirls to start to working? Question mark?
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Somebody commented a girl camming and she was like, if
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: we in a section with my man, nine times out
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  Speaker 1: of ten he paid for it. Some bitches better be
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: shaking ass all night long. And I agree, because what
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  Speaker 1: are we doing if we ain't shaking ass?
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  Speaker 2: I agree? And we can't dance? Why are we here?
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  Speaker 2: Who want to be in a station where we gotta
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  Speaker 2: stand still because somebody man can't be trusted or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's what it's given to me. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if he's posting a question from perspective of a
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  Speaker 1: man or perspective of a woman whose friends is shaking
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  Speaker 1: ass in the section with her nigga like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know which. Either one doesn't make sense to me, because
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: why why why can't shake ass? Well, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: another nigga section if I can't shake ass in your
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: nigga section, right.
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  Speaker 2: Because if my song come home, I don't want to
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: be looking like can you send your man to the
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: bathroom withst Island?
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't need that, Like can you cover his eyes?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird question, And I wonder what happened?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, And I think you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I was leaning some more towards like him posting
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: this question because of how he felt with his girl
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: friends shaking ass in a section, right, mm hmmm, because
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: niggas be thinking everybody want them right, all right? So
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: we inter section, My friends are here and they dancing,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and now we leave from the club, and you, like,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you see how your friend was shaking their ass in
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: front of me. It wasn't for you, though. We know
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that men be thinking everything before them for them, even pussy.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: They never have before as.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Long as as long as my friend ain't putting the
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: ass on him. It's sometimes even that might be a
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: little okay, it's just appears, you know, if we set
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: it up right.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: But I don't know that I care. And the older
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I get, the less shit I care about. Right, I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: already like my mind set, it's already. You're not sixty
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: seven year old black women. Be like, I don't give
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a fuck. I don't give a shit, like I've been
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: there for the last for the last few years now,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: like I don't care. You can bag them, baby, you
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: can have him, take him, take him, because he in
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: my mind in the first place.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: All right, if you can he ain't mine, Please go
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: ahead and take him. Y'all.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Have at it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that shit, maybe I'm blocking y'all.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Blessings who knows right, have at it. You won't switch
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: something like you got another nigga for me. Let's swap
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: it out, all right, y'all. Anyway, listen, we have an
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: amazing guest on we talked back this week, mister Michael Johnson.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: He is the CEO of the Boys and Girls Clubs
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: in Dane County, Minnesota. Okay, the illis Nigga from Minnesota,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and he's talking leadership. He recently had a book released
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: all the good shit, you know, the things we need
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: to hear. Okay, because we are multifaceted here on we
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: talk back, Okay, So y'all stay tuned. We'll be back, y'all.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Before we get into today's guest, I just need to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: speak to y'all about something that's really been pulling at
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: my heartstrings. We haven't been seeing a lot on it,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: but our brothers and sisters in Jamaica they really going
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: through it. Like the news kind of has seemed to
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: stop reporting on what's going on in Jamaica. But these
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: people are without clothes, These people are without food, These
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: people are without electricity. Their homes have been like completely
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: washed away. And I have a friend there and he uh,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: he works in tourism and one of his employees she
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: is a woman, a single mother of four children, and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: her home was completely destroyed and y'all, she has nothing.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And he was on the phone with me and he
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: was crying talking about this because he don't even have
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a lot. He's trying to give her what he has,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: but he don't have shit to give her either. And
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: when I spoke to him, it just really it really
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: upset me. And you know, I just want to use
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: this platform to try to seek some help. You know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: like even if y'all could send a dollar, two dollars,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: anything would help. It's a lot of us and this
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: is a black woman and she really needs our help.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, if y'all can sacrifice something, I would greatly
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: appreciate it to help this woman. And even if you
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: want to actually send goods, she has children. So this
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: is I got an address that y'all can send goods
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to if you want to send it straight to them,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and it's the address would be Hopetown. That's h Ope
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: t O n E District, Hope Tone PO Saint James,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Montego Bay, Jamaica. W I. I'm gonna say that one
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: more time. It's Michael Solomon, Hope Tone h O P
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: t O n E District, Hope Tone P dot O
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  Speaker 2: Saint James, Montego Bay, Jamaica, w dot I And I'm
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: going to post on my story and then my excuse me,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: y'all in my bio where you can actually send a
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: couple dollars. Y'all, please, we got to help this black woman.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: And it's so many people that need help. But if
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: you could sacrifice even just a couple of dollars to
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: help this black family right before the holidays, I would
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. All Right, I love y'all. All right, we'll
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: be with our guests in just a moment.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So today we have a very sexual
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: guest on we talk back. We have mister Michael Johnson. Okay,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: he is the CEO of the Boys and Girls Club.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: What's the city, Dane County.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Dean County, Madison, Wisconsin.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sorry.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: First of all, it's good. I said the same thing
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: when I first came here sixteen years ago.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Dan, Are you the only black person in Wisconsin?
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of it's a lot of black people here,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: and well, we make up about six percent of the population,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: and so it's it's a tight niche black community here,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: but we're well represented.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Are you from Wisconsin?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm from the West side of Chicago.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, Chicago.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: So y'all, y'all need to come. We throw some dope
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: parties up here.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: I do an all white party, and it's not just
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: for white people. It's mainly black folks dressed up in
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: all white, and we usually bring a bunch of celebrities
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: down here. So every year of you like Google, you'll
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: see like the Lorenz tating his brothers, or Leon or
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Gladys Knight, or one year I had Drew Hill, so
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: we bring him out and we have a good time.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: We raised money for kids, and I hope y'all are
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: coming hang out with us.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: One summer we come in Winlaren's state coming back though I.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Was every year.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I was on his family Foundation board for a couple
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: of years. So he's been here probably four or five
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: times in the last two years.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, what's the weather like right now?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: It's cold.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Well, it's not like South Carolina, so he gets cold
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: up here. But it's about thirty five degrees right now.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's pretty I mean South Carolina gets cold. Don't
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: get it twisted. We get cold weather, but it's probably
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: not Wisconsin cold.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: And life is about, you know, exploring. I've lived all
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: over the country. I lived in Chicago, I lived in Philadelphia,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: I lived in Saint Louis, I've lived in Indianapolis, I
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: lived in Cincinnati. You know, life is about experiences, so
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: I think you'll come up here to Madison and probably
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: never want to go back home.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, like Saint Louis because I live I lived
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: in Saint Louis for like four or five years, and man,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: every morning I would wake up like what am I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: store here? A prison? You know what I'm saying?
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Like, like, I stayed in Saint Louis for I think
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I was there three years.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: And it's just about who you connected to, right, Like
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: you can get to a city.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of socialism, right, it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Is, it is it is. But I would say that's
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: almost everywhere.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: When I say that, I mean like it's not like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: you know, some cities, like we're from South Carolina, so
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: we can say, like maybe it might be a little racist,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: but really like Saint Louis is about who has money
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and who doesn't. It's not really about skin color race.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, I don't know. I've seen it
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: at different levels in different cities. And and again it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: kind of like how you allow people to divin defind
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: you what circles you know that you're And people told
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: me not to come to Madison, Wisconsin because of X
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: y Z. And I'm the type of person sometimes you
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: just got to follow your dreams and go where the
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: calling is right. And so and that's kind of like
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: how I've just lived my life. But I wouldn't say
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: you're wrong, but I would say what you're saying. I've
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: seen segments of it in other cities as well.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: So was it the Boys and Girls Club that brought
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you to Madison? Like how did you get involved with
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the Boys and Girls Club?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: So, I actually grew up in the Boys and Girls
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Club and I talk about it in my book. So
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I grew up in the Boys and Girls Club on
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: the West side of Chicago. It was Boys and Girls
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Clubs when I was working part time that when my
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: mother didn't have health insurance, they raised.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: The money to bury my mother.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: It was the Boys and Girls Clubs as a kid
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: that kept me off the streets, and I would say
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: pretty much kept me alive.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: And I was also a kid that could not read.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I could not write.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: And today you know, I run a multimillion dollar nonprofit
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: organization in Madison, Wisconsin. So I was recruited here by
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Boys and Girls Clubs. When I was a deputy Commissioner
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: for Parks and Recreation in the City of.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia, amazing. So, you guys, mister Johnson has a book.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: It's called The Audacity to Lead.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: You can call me Michael.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Michael Bold Mindsets and nonprofit Impact, right.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so the title is The Audacity to Lead,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and it's the seven Mindset Lessons on Love, Family, and
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: turning adversity into Impact. And the subtitle is from the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Project to the c Suite period. And really I.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Really focused the book on I talk about, you know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: all the adversity that I faced not being able to
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: read and write to end up graduating and getting the NBA,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: to going to Cornell University, to Harvard Business School and
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: getting all these credentials and degrees, to becoming a millionaire
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: and losing that money in six months after our sue
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: the university that I went to, after the coaches dressed
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: up in kuklusklam you know outfits back in the nineteen nineties.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I talk about that, you know.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: In the book, I talk about my friend BG, he
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: was killed, you know, right in front of the boys
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: and girls clubs.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: But I also talk about how.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I've raised two hundred and fifty million dollars over the
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: last twenty five years in multiple cities. I talk about
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: how we raised money for Maud Avery family when he
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: was killed in Brunswick, Georgia. I talk about Michael Brown
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: and Saint Louis when the mayor and the Urban League
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: CEO asked us to raise money.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: You know, for that family.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I talk about the money that we've raised for educational
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: programs up in black and brown kids graduate from high
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: school and go on to college. I talk about a
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: whole bunch of different things, you know in the book,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: but I also talk about love and leaving with passion.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: I talk about how I built the first statue of
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: a black woman and our state capitol by the name
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: of Veil Phillips in the United States. Before last July,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: there was not one singular statue of a black woman
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: anywhere in America on state capitol grounds. And after the
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: George Floyd you know, protests, I talk about in the
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: book how young activists challenged my leadership and pretty much
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Young black activists.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, young black activist And I'll tell you why.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I talk about it in the book, And so what
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: came out of that. They challenged me and said there's
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: no black representation at our state capitol and now there's
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: a million dollar statue of a woman by the name
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: of Veil Phillips. She was the first woman in the
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: country to ever be named to a national political party.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: She was the first woman in the country to be
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: named to a statewide office, and she was the first
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: black woman of many different things here in Wisconsin.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: So I knew.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: While it took us four years to get it done,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: last July, we were able to erect this statue and
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: then we made history in the United States.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: And I talk about that in the book.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: It's crazy for it to be that many first for
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: this black woman and does not have known her name, right,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know?
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, her name is phil R. Phillips. She was
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: appointed by John F. Kennedy to the Democratic National Committee
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: and the first of any colored woman, any woman, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: she's having to be a woman of color to be
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: elected to a statewide office. And she did all this
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: in the sixties and seventies. It was pretty amazing.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And we didn't got a movie about this woman.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, but yes, it's all kind of documentary on her.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: They're are Phillips.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: So in your book you talk about the seven mindset lessons.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Can you list those for us? Because I want to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: talk about.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So in the chapter in the in I should
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: have sent you all a copy of the book.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: So it's really I broke that down.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: By you should have bought one. Sorry, you know it's.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: On Amazon, it's on good Reads, and uh, I hope
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: you allill read it to Really it's a good a
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: lot of good stuff in there. So chapter one, the
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: first mindset is about the urgency of now and pretty
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: much unleashing your purpose and making the best of what
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: you got in your situation. Chapter two I focus on
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: how to expand your horizon and surrounding yourself with role
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: models and believing in a bigger vision in your life.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: And I give examples through aversity on how I accomplished
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: that as a as a nonprofit leader.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Chapter three, So chapter one, power of now, right, Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: that is what I struggle with the you know because
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: tomorrow and next week are killers. Someway, I'll do it tomorrow,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I'll do it Monday, Monday and tomorrow. So how do you?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: How do?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: How do? What would your advice be to someone to
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: do it now? You know, start where you are?
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would first go back to there were
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: people that would tell me I knew I wanted to
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: be a CEO, and there was people that would tell me,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: because of my circumstances and because you rarely see black
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: people running multimillion dollar organizations that it was very slam.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: So back when, I would say in my early twenties,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I was still running the streets in Chicago, and at
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: that time I couldn't read and write, but I knew
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: that I wanted to do something with my life. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: saw my friends being killed, I seen them getting life
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: sentences in Chicago, and I just didn't want that to
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: be me. So what I would say, a day is
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: one step at a time, right, you know, life is
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: a marathon. You're not going to like knock it out
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: the park right away, but you have to swing the
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: back and some days you'll hit, you'll get on first base,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: some days you might strike out, some days you'll get
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: on second base, and some days you will hit the
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: goddamn Grand Slam, And but you gotta I'm sorry for Curtison,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: I apologize.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Did you really listen to our show?
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: I actually did, I really did.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: I was on a panel yesterday and I slipped up
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: and I was like, and I was a pastor. Was
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: on a panel with me and I was like, oh
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: my god, I'm sorry. So so I would say that
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: it's just all about swinging the back and whatever your goals.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: I always tell, whether it's my colleagues or young people
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: that's around me, like what's your mission and what's your
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: what's your vision for your life? Right, So, if there's
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: somewhere that you want to be five years from now,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: did you write it out? Did you map it out?
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: What's your intersections to get into your destination? And I
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: always try to do that, and I would say that
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: would be that would be my advice. Write out what
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: it is you want to accomplish and take one.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Step at a time.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I literally wake up every morning I be chatting do
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: it now, Like just to get to the gym. Just
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: do it now? Do it now? Do it now? Because
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: our bullshit?
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and we all struggle with that, right,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: just speaking like the gym. You know, I was I
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: went for a two mile walk this morning and I
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: got up at five o'clock, but I actually did started
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: till eight and I was like, oh my gosh, she
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: just got out there early.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: And it's just it's difficult.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: But as you know, once you start and you get
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: to a cycle of it, you know you'll just get
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: You'll just get used to it. And that's the same
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: with careers, right you get into these roles and finance
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: might be something that you may not be good with,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: marketing or public speaking, whatever that is. Take whatever steps
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: you are to craft your feel I mean, I look
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: at what you all are doing. I watched y'all shows,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: and y'all are very entertaining, very funny. Y'all talk about
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: some really really good content. It kept my attention. Like
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I said with you earlier, I was up to midnight
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: last night. I raally stay up to midnight watching anybody show.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: So y'all, y'all what it take?
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: And it seemed like.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Y'all building up y'all base, building up y'all content. It's
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: pretty amazing what y'all are doing.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a lot of commitment, boy, it does.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: So what's one mental habit that you think could possibly
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: be holding back some black leaders or people who are
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: aspiring Because I remember when I worked also I work
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a corporate job now, but before my boss asked me
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: like what I wanted to be? What I wanted to be?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: What I wanted to do within the corporation, right, because
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: she said she always knew she wanted to be the boss.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to manage people, right. I'm good
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: at managing processes.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: So what's one mindset that you think maybe hindering a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, people who think they're the boss.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, like, if you're trying to move
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: up the corporate ladder, one things that I learned is
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: that you have to be like, if you're always the
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: smartest purpose person in the room, you're probably not growing.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: And so I think about I told somebody the other
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: day when I was on this yesterday, I was on
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: this panel, and they said, you know, I'm on TV
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: a lot here in Madison, Wisconsin, and people are soon
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: that I only hang out with HOGH Network individuals because
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: of all of the resources that we raised for kids
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: and their families. And what I've actually told them is that,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: you know, some of my friends include people with GEDs,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: PhDs and everything in between, from HOGH Network individuals to
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: people who are still drug dealers and gang bangers. And
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: I learned from each one of them. And because when
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I learned from them, I then can bring those two
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: worlds together. I say all that to say, AJ is
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: that you have to put yourself in different environments to grow.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And so I'll give an example.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: When I moved to Madison, Wisconsin, one of the first
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: parties that got invited to was a farm party. And
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: I was like, and it was a donor and I
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: was like, God, I don't want to go to that shit.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: A farm party. And so it's of a farm party.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: So I automatically judged what I thought a farm party
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: is gonna be, Like there's gonna be some sheep and
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: cows and shotguns. And I get out there. Man, these
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: folks had a live band. They had those four wheelers
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: and I'm out there like going through the mud, and
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: they had they had a barbecue out there. It was
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: it was lit, and I was like, I was one
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: of the last people to leave. And so and that night,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: that night, that family, well, since I've been to that event,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: that family has helped me raise a million dollars, you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: since you know, since coming here sixteen years ago, fifty
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: thousand here, one hundred thousand there. And so I was
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: just saying, you always got to just be willing to
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: put yourself out there and go into different environments if
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: you're going to grow.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely in chapter three, what were you saying? You were
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: giving us the seven Yeah.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: So chapter three, you know, the Academy of adversity, forging
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: tragedy and turning pain into power.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: We all go through some sort of pain, whether it's
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: a sibling or a parent dying, or you're getting fired
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: at work or whatever it is. We all deal with
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: some sort of pain. And in the book, I talk
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: about the pain that we experience and not letting pain
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: and adversity set you back. In my case, you know,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I talked about this cool cluss Clan incident when I
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: was at a university and the coach is dressed up
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: in kul Klusklan outfits and and uh yeah, it's all
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: in the books and it made national news back in
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: the nineties.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: You did you sign an NDA? Can you say the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: school's name?
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: What I will say if you go to my website
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: the school actually invited me back thirty years later. This
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: happened in nineteen ninety three, And if you go to
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: m Johnson CEO dot com, I actually posted the video
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: of me at this school talking about the incident. So
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: at first I wouldn't have talked about it, because I
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: don't know what I signed when I was eighteen years old.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: But since the school has talked about it, they've invited
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: me back. I didn't name the school in the book
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: because I do think eventually it did the right thing
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: by me. And I always told people that the coach
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: went to jail, the students went to jail, and I
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: came home with a boatload of money, and I bought
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: a truck, I bought some rims, I bought a bunch
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: of speakers, gave started a record label. I bought a restaurant.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: I got into a little bit of entrepreneurship in Chicago
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: on the streets.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: And six months later I was broke.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: And yeah, and I thought about committing suicide. And because
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I couldn't have believed that I went through, you know,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: all that money, and I was thankful that I had
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: people in my in my life, including my wife, who
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: encouraged me to go back to school and to do
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: something with my life, and it ended up taking me.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I ended up going to Malcolm X's Junior College, and
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Malcolm X Junior College wouldn't even accept me at their
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: school because.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: That's where I learned.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: I couldn't read and write at proficiency and then ultimately
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: it took me four and a half years to get
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: an associate's degree. So that was one example where I
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: talked about adversity and how I got through that pain
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: and how I fought through it to ultimately become one
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: of the most successful Boys and Girls club leaders in
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: the country.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Amazing. So this is a prime example of you know
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of black folks that are fighting for reparations
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: all the time. We are old a lot of reparations,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of money, but without the financial literacy, we
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: will literally collectively give that money back to the system
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: within twenty four hours. So you got a million dollars.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: You obviously easily attract money, okay, eighteen years old a
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: million dollars, but without that financial literacy, you ended up
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: in the same predicament.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let me just say this.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: It was a blessing because what I learned is that
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I didn't earn that money, so I didn't respect it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: And that's why I went back to school and got
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: all my degrees in business, a master's in business and
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: bachelor's in business, have all these business certifications. Because what
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: happened when you don't understand how to do financial projections,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: don't know how to understand profit.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: And laws, revenue and experience.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Their financial acumen. I don't care what you do in life,
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: whether it's for profit, nonprofit, your own business. You gotta
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: have business in life. You gotta have business acumen. So
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I told myself that if I ever was put in
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: a position again, that I would never make that mistake again.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: And I never have.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: So you said that your wife encourage you to go
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: back to school. How young were you at that time
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: when your wife was, like, babies, just go back to school.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: So my mindset was not really at a good place. Then.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: My wife was a chemist and she went to University
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: of Minnesota. So, and she was from the South side
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: of Chicago. She grew up in a household where she
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: had both parents. My mindset was, if I got her pregnant,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I could move in with her mom and live in
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: their empty basement. That was my game plan. She was
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: a chemist, she was doing well in school. I knew
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: if she a chemist coming out of college would probably
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: make seventy eighty thousand dollars a year. So she was
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: my That was that was my meal ticket, right, She
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: and I got I got bemboozled, right, so she was like, Nope,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: that's not going to happen. And she really encouraged me
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: at the time I was running the streets. She was like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: I'm really not going to lay down with you until
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: I run your credit. She made me take a health exam,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: so I did to go take an age test and
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: get all my blood work done, and then she ran
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: my She ran my credit and she told me I
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: couldn't buy back of potato chips on credit, and that
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: she couldn't really get serious with a guy unless he
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: was standing on business. And that's why I enrolled in
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Malcolm Max. At that time, I was I was like
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: madly in love and was like a pet.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yet these niggas to do and anything. Don't give up
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the cookies, okay.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: So I wasn't miss that opportunity. So I did what
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I had to do. And uh and so I rode
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: my ass in school and I figured it out, and
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: and and and.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Thankfully I was in a position where I've been able
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: to earn a really good living. My wife was able
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: to take seven years off work and take off our kids,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: and I was able to take care of her, you know,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: during that time, and and we've done well for ourselves.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: All Right, y'all, don't try this at home. Be careful, okay,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: because not everybody. It's gonna end up like Michael. Okay.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Results may vary.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: So true, so true, so true, so true.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: But I think running the nigga credit is a good
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: idea before you sleep.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: With him like that. Listen, she was.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I thought she was. I thought she was crazy. I
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: was like, I was like, I didn't care. I was
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: like I didn't really know what credit was, right, and
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: so I was like, run whatever you want. She was like,
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: I need your self security number. I don't even know
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: my self. Scared, I had to go to my mama,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: and my mama was like, what do you need it for?
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: I was too embarrassed to tell my mama I was
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: giving it to this girl. Yeah, make you do strange things,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: for sure.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: No, that's amazing, man, Like we need to definitely adopt that. Yeah.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: So I do talk a lot about her in this
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: book because just being straight up, I think I would
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: still be running the streets if it wasn't for her.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: And uh, and she was the first woman Like where
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: I grew up at, people didn't go to weddings right,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: like we got married in the neighborhood boys and Girls
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: club or uh in the neighborhood like room in our building,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: or you went to city hall. You just got your
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: little certificate ated and that was it. So she started
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: taking to me like these fancy weddings where three four
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: hundred people in these halls. I hadn't never seen anything
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: like that. She started taking me to plays like I
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: had never been to like a she took me to
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: a Tyler Perry play and I was like, what is.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: This Joe black? This is a picture of her. She's
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: a black woman.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if okay, yes, when he said she
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: was from the South Side, I knew she was black immediately.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that she comes from like a what is
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: all the South Side of Chicago? Like Ben is that now?
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: It's changing? Right?
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: You got High Park where Barack Obama, you know, live,
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: it's a very like affluent community. But then you got
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: pockets to the south side that's very, very dangerous. But
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: my wife grew up on like right around ninety fifth
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: and Halsted, and that community is also starting to shift.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: But the time that she was living there, I saw
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: it as an upper middle class community. That's what it
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: felt like to me, because I'm like, man, they got
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: a house, they got three folk bedrooms and basement, mom
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: and dad working.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: That's gonna be my new place of residency.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: So that's like, that's what my family. That's exactly like,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: that's not too far from where my family grew up.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: And they were like in a home. They had a house.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: It was both parents there like, but there was some
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: rough spots over there, like it wasn't all it is
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, my wife brother was killed right in front
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: of their house, shot right in the head. So it's challenging,
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: but it's not as bad as the West Side of Chicago.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: And I think most Chicago wins would.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Say that, y'all, let me turn a light on right quick.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: It's getting darker quick, quicker than I thought it was.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so continue with the seven you were at.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Oh so, so then we're on uh So.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Chapter four, I talk about embracing the courage and acting
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: and committed to a life of growth. In chapter five,
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: I talk about the unbreakable spirit and how great transforms
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: tough times until like turning points, and I give examples
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: of all this. And in the book I have these
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: reflection questions in each chapter. Right, So I didn't want
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: to just make this into like a biography. I wanted
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: it as a blueprint. So for if somebody's starting a business,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: if somebody trying to take their podcasts or another podcast,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: but the podcasts or whatever to the next level. They
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: also say, there's a business side of it, and this
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: is how you can scale it.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: This is how you raise money, Here's how you nurture
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: and store it. Relationships to get people to invest in
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: what you're doing. And I tough about that, and then
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: in chapter six I talk about strategic connections.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Right, you can never do this work by yourself. Right,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: So I think about, you know, Tam and aj y'all
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: are doing this together. But I'm pretty sure there's some
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: people behind the scenes that's also supporting what you all
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: are doing and what I've learned. It might be a spouse,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: it might be who. I don't know, if somebody got
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: be like I don't know, if you got good. Somebody
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: gotta be helping y'all do something.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: We be trying, we be trying to find.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: We need some of that boys and Girls club money
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: behind this ship.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: You need to come, you need to come that's what
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: I would say in July when I have my wife party.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna bring new addition this year, and
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: y'all should come down.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Right, absolutely come having a nonprofit before I get there,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: though again I said, I'm gonna create me a nonprofit
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: right before we get there, dons, okay, Or.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: You can do some crowdfunding, right, y'all.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Got I've seen some of the views I got, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: I've seen thousands of people on y'all views, So people
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: are watching you all, and I just got can't be
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: afraid to ask and ask people to support your your content,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: and y'all got good if y'all let me tell you this,
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: if y'all show was on some bullshit, or to call
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: Steve O and be like, I'm not really interested, but
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: y'all got a good show, and I think I got
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: a good thing going on, all right. And then the
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: last chapter is the APICs in the aftermath, building legacy
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: that out lives your lifetime. As I've matured into my role,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: what I've learned is really without margin has no mission,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: you know, and for years you see whether it's church
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: based organizations or smaller organizations doing these like little mini
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: fish fraud, dinners.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: That stuff is not sustainable.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: To what I've learned is to try to build endowments
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: and raise enough money where the interest income can sustain
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: the work that you're doing. So, for example, you know,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: if I was to show you this building that I'm
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: being now, we just built this building three years ago
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: and we raised thirty five million dollars in sixteen months,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: and it's the largest youth workforce center in the history
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: of Boys and Girls clubs, you know, of America. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: it's probably the best looking office, best looking nonprofit, I
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: would say, in the state. Remarkable what we have here.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: But it was casting a vision and putting the right
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: team around you to be to go out and get
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: the resources.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: That you need.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fundraising is definitely a skill set I would love
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: to acquire because it's like it you have to put on,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: do you not when you're meeting people.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know what, but hm, I'm sorry, you'll get
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: used to it. Right, So I'll give you an example. Right, So,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: I was in this program at Harvard Business School, and
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: you know, I knew I wanted to, Like, I was like,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: am I really gonna learn something? I really want to
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: spend time in this program, and I ended up doing
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: it because I got the scholarship to go and I
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: was so inspired. There was this guy Indonesia. It was
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: a case study that we were learning and this Indonesia,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: this doctor from Indonesia was an eye doctor, and back
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: then there was this epidemic of people going blind in
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: their country, and everybody had these little, small micro clinics
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: that systemically was not solving anything. This man was like,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I'm going to build like a hundred million dollar hospital.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: I'm going to mortgage my home and I'm gonna figure
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: And he built me never use your own money.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: I know I would never do that, but it was
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: a powerful story and it inspired me.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: At that time.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I was thinking about building this facility and our goal
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: was a million and I went back that night and
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: I said, I'm taking this goal to like thirty five
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: million dollars, and I laid out a blueprint and we
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: went out and we raised it in sixteen months. And
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: so I say all that to say, the first call
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: I made was to a wealthy woman by the name
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: of Pleasant Rowland. I don't know if you are If
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: you all are familiar with American girl downs, they're really
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: famous all over the United States, and those dolls were
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: made right here in Middleton, Wisconsin.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: So I found her phone number. I got it from somebody.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I reached out to her. I didn't know if she
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: was going to respond or not. She responded, just like
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: all three of us is on this call. I got
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: on a zoom call with her, and three days later
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: we had five million dollars sitting in our back. I
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: just simply made the acts and I sold her on
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: the vision, and then her husband turned around and gave
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: us a million three days later.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: M h, I just need to know what you be saying,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: because thirty five million.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: And how many went sixteen months?
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Sixteen months, that's impressive. I need to follow you around.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: You got the gift of gas, and I think money
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: is attracted to you too now.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: But y'all got there. Y'all got the gift of gap too.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I've watched y'all show.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: There wasn't one minute that it was boring and which
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: made me go look at.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Other content y'all had.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: So I saw all of it, all of it, and
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: it's really good content.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: So you got the gift the gap.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: It's how you take your craft and continue to show
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: up in it, right, So I talked about all these
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: different programs I've been in at Harvard Business School, at
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Cornell University, at the Center of Philanthropy.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: It might just be if philanthropy is.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: A route you want to go to help raise money
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: for your platform, you might have to take your platform
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: for being a for profit entity to a nonprofit entity
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: and making it more educational base.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Then you can apply for grants, Then you can create
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: a board, then you can ask people to make donations
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: and they can get a touch right off for that,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: And so it could be done. And plus, both of
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: y'all got a great small y'all got a great smell.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Y'all. It's just a matter of selling your vision.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: Y'all could be the next whoever, right, the next opera,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: the next billionaires.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: It all starts somewhere.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely I wanted to speak to you because
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I do have an idea for a nonprofit and I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: don't know where to start. And I think it's a
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: great idea and I need help just a little bit,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: if I can borrow a little bit of your time.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: But what what is some of the things that maybe
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: the public misunderstands about nonprofit leaderships, like somebody in your position, CEO,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: because I see a lot of articles online about people's salary.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Ye think yourself. I don't believe in the poll poper shit.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I said, I feel like you could be
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: paid well for whatever it is you do if I
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: was a church girly, like I want my church to
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: be rich. You know what I'm saying, Like it's I.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Look at it. You know, you get what you pay for.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: You want to pay somebody thirty thousand dollars, You're gonna
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: get thirty thousand dollars worth of work. But I've always
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: shared with my board, I don't set my salary.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: We have one hundred.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: We have thirty eight board members and seventy something people
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: in our committees, So in reality, I have one hundred
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: plus bosses. And what I've asked my board is to
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: pay me with my white counterparts. Make pay me no more,
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: pay me no less, and let my performance speak for self. Now,
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: you're right, there are people who criticize CEOs for their salaries.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: But I make no different than what other CEOs make.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: And I'll also scause you black. Right, that's the problem.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Now, you know what?
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think sometimes people see black leaders in these roles,
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: and people criticize you, right, especially when you are a vocal, verbal,
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: intelligent CEO that stand on his or her business.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: People will always attack you. And that's okay.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: But like when people look up my salary or look
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: up my charity, my audience are clean. Every year we
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: are four star Charity Navigator rating, which only about twenty
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: percent of nonprofits in the country, you.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Know, get that.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: And every year our balance, our balance sheet gets stronger.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: When I started at Boys and Girls Clubs, we had
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: eighteen employees. I now have close to two hundred. When
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: I started, we only had about a million dollars in
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: the bank. Now we have close to thirty million dollars
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: in their assets. And so people can criticize it, but
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: the results beak for self. There's not another program graduate
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: more black and brown kids in this state than I am.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I have eleven hundred kids that's in college right now
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: in twenty five cities across the United States. My Wisconsin
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: is the largest racial achievement gap in the country. Ninety
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: nine percent of my kids that graduate from high.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: School and they're going on lunch.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, So people could talk all that crap they want,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: but the results is where.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: It counts absolutely, aj he said, I don't I make
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: the same thing as every other CEO. All I heard
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: was bullyed.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: For real because the Goodwill good I think the CEO
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: of Goodwill they make like half a million dollars, over
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: a half a million dollars six hundred and some thousand
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: dollars a year.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, some of some of those guys are running eighty
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: ninety million dollar budgets, no different than our corporate counterparts. Right,
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: So if you have a nonprofit that's running an eighty
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: ninety million dollar organization, and there's some CEOs that run
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: companies that have twenty million dollars, they do twenty million
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: in revenue, and their CEOs make a million dollars and
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: so or more. And so how I look at it
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: is this is how I share this with my board.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: When I think about pay equity, is not just about
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: the CEOs, about your entire team.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: In my organization, we give our employees sabbaticals.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: So our employees, you work five years from us, we
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: will pay you to take four months off and you
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: can go anywhere you want, and we're still gonna pay
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: you so you can have time to be with your
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: family and your friends. We're gonna also pay you, not
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: based on what nonprofit leaders make locally. We bench mark
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: our salaries across all non profits across the country to
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: make sure that our people are paid here well. When
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: people leave me with my vicevate eleven vice presidents, when
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: they leave me, most of them go on the universities.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: Some of them are foundation presidents now, some of them
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: run their own businesses. One was a vice chance of
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: a university. And I can go on and on and on,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: And it's not about just the CEO. It's about taking
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: care of all your people because in this space there's
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: so much turnover in management and the direct care staf
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: positions that families need to see consistent leadership in the
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: lives of the families that they serve.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So, I know you mentioned love. You talk about
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: loving your book, right, Yeah, So damn the hell was
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: my question? Sorry? How do you balance? How do you
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: balance being a CEO and your family, being a husband,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: all those good things?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Father?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: You said you have kids, Yeah, yeah, and what has
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: it taught you? Like, what has it taught you about
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: like love and patience?
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: So I've always on the first say I had my
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: before I agreed to do y'all show. I had my son,
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: who's a hip hop artist and he's becoming fairly famous,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: and I said, look at the page to let me know,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: and his exact words were.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: That they dope as shit. You should go home. And
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: that was his exact words.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: And he's a junior in college at the University of
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Cincinnati and it goes by MK E three X and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: he just did a music video in Atlanta with the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Concrete Boys, who is part of I think Young Gotti
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: or one of them. Right, So what I've learned is
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: that people I hear some people say there's never balanced
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: when you're a CEO, and that's bullshit, Like you can
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: work all your life and make good money, but if
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: you're alone and unhealthy, it means nothing. Because when your
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: life is over where you can't take your house, you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: can't take your cars, and you can't take your money
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: to wherever you're going after life. Right, So early on
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: I did not get that I would come to word
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: and I watched. I remember when my son was born,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't know if I was going to be to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: afford to take care of him, but I didn't want
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: to be a deadbeat dad like my dad, and so
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: I committed to working as hard as I could to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: try to work for my work hard for my family.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Now I make sure that my team. I don't call
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: my team members on weekends. I don't call them at nighttime.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: And when I do, if I send them a text,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: I schedule it for six or seven o'clock in the morning,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: so I'm not bothering or taking them away from their family.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: I also schedule date weekends and nights with my wife
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: without the kids, so we are doing stuff together so
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: as we get older, we don't lose interest in each
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: other because there's a lot of temptation that's out here,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: and people marriages fall apart, you know all the time.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: And when people know your salary.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: People come at you right.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: And so what I've tried to do is I always
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: honor my wife at an read time I can at
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: different events. I tried my best to honor her, you know,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: in this book. Because what we've built, we built it together.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: I didn't do it by myself. I built it with
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: a queen that stood not behind me, but side by
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: side with me. As we've given back our time and
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: our talent and our treasure back to our community.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hear that, get you a wife.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I was just about to say I was just about
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: to say that, because you know, in the black community,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: people really think you can build legacy and generational wealth
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: by yourself. Doesn't work like that.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: In the book aj I talk about I actually talk
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: about that, right, And there's a there's research that show
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: married couples make fourteen percent more in the network than
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: those who are not married. Right, and you think about it, right,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: you know, at one point, like, let's think about it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: If it's two of you all, and y'all are splitting
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: all the.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Bills, and if you're liven beneath or at your means,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: that means you should be in a position to put
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: away thirty or forty percent of your income if y'all
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: both are working towards the same goals. Right, some couples
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: will be together for twelve, thirteen, fourteen years. Somebody's ranting
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: eighteen hundred. Somebody else rant it's twenty five hundred. When
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: y'all could be living together and sharing those bills and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: reinvesting that money and making nine ten percent every year.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: Then over the decade, look up, damn, I saved one
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty two hundred three hundred four hundred five
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars. And if people got to learn you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: can't go at this by yourself, that's my advice.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: But you also got to have the right partner too, right.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: I've seen on both sides.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: I've seen some of my male friends be hurt by women,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: and I've seen a lot of family members and females
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: that are in my life be hurt by men. So
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: you got to find the right person that you are
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: equally yoked with to get ahead.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely on the internet, there is value for men in marriage. Okay,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: just to sum it up for the niggas who think
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: they gonna get that m by theyself. Mama's women literally
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: come with a loaf of bread. Just our presence might
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: bring the bag for you.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and men are genuinely healthier too when they're married. Right,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: It's and there's all kinds of research out there that
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: backs that, that backs that up. And I know sometimes
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: you know especially, I mean both it's men and women. Right, people,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: we live in a society where people are not disciplined,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: and we're not disciplined, and you get in trouble.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: And so I've learned it I don't put.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Myself in situations that will cause any to jeopardize my
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: marriage or my relationship with my family.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I definitely don't want to lose my kids.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: I don't want to lose my family, and I also
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: don't want to damage my reputation by trying to have
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: thirty five forty minutes of pleasure.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Do you have like other men that are also like married,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you know, business owners, because I think that also kind
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: of helps keep men in line, right, instead of you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: hanging out with all your single homeboys. You know, you're
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: you have a group of men who are on the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: same page.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Family men, Yeah, you are your circle, right.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: There are friends in mine who do different things who
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: are single, whether it's going out of the country or
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: going to different types.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: Of clubs broads.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I cannot go to those types of things with
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: them as a married man, and so it's like, hey,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: if you want to meet me, you got to meet
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: me at a Chicago Bulls game or a Bucks game
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: or I don't want to put myself in that environment.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: So I do typically try to hang with married men.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: But there's also some married men and married women who
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: ain't really married, they just married. They playing games you
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: know where those people are having a couple of conversations
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: with them, so I try not to. You know, again,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: I'm a very imperfect person. Marriage is not easy. Me
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: and my wife been married twenty three years and we've
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: had our and flows and it's.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Just it is what it is. But you gotta work.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: You gotta continue to work at it.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: So we want to do like a little quick, little
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: rapid fire. Uh real quick questions.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, y'all didn't give me no heads up on the questions.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm scared, man.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: I literally just know. We never give anybody like outline
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: or heads up. You know, we kind of got our
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: little talking points. But yeah, I said.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Just remind them that I'm the CEO of Boys and.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Girls clubs, so uh so, just just keep that in mind.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: But these are these are very SIMP story for me
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: and ship like that. Now, let CEO or not. We
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: still need a SIMP story at the end of the episode,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: So CEO or no, Yeah, we need that. We need
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: know these are regular Yeah, these are a regular question.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just I'm just messing with y'all. An.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: I don't have a problem answering. I'm an open book
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: probably answer any question.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: All right, So audacity or faith? Which one of these
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: things get hard?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: No wins?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, audacity or faith? Which one wins when things
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: get hard?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: And there you go, Fai faith, I would just say that,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: you know, I am a man of faith. I believe
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: in God and when when times get tough, I'm not
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: super religious, but I know when you covered and when
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: you've gone through things that I've been that I've been through,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: I know the only reason I'm standing here today is
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: because there's a God.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: So I would say it faith absolutely.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: And Tam got dropped off a second. She'll be back.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: She's like he talked to damn much.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. This is a great interview, all right.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: So leading or following? Which is harder to do? Well?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: I would say, in order to lead, you have to
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: learn to follow, and once you're a leader, sometimes you
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: still have to follow. Because good leadership is about pointing
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: to other people and allowing other people to lead. So
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: good leaders have to be good followers even when they're
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: in a leadership.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, next question, what's one leadership lesson you learn the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: hard way?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: When I was on this panel yesterday, I gave an
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: example when you start a new organization or you're in
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: a new job and you're a new leader, you always
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: should do a swallow analysis and really listen the going
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: there telling people easy your dreams, this is what you're
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: gonna change, you're gonna change, because if you going there
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: guns blazing, you might come out as a casualty and
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: get buried before you even start. And so I always
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: tell people if you're leading a new department, if you're
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: a new leader, go in meet with all your stakeholders,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: Meet with uh, the the employees, meet with your clients.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: Understand what the issues are. If there's a person that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: you replace, call that person and learn as much as
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: you can and just seek understanding instead of being understood.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: You ain't answer the question. You ain't answer the question,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: then no, that makes sense. One leadership lesson. You learned
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the hard way.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: So what happened some water analysis, which is your strength
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and opportunities and threat?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: So I didn't finish it, So I answered the halfway
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: by saying right, So see AJ she fell asleep on me?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I just didn't hear.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't hear where they. I didn't hear where that
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: happened there, Like where was you at?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Like you didn't to tell the story.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: So the incident, I would say, when I started here
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: sixteen years ago. My boys and girls clubs, all the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: country clubs for kids. They're bright, they're clean, they're beautiful.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: But when I.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: First got here, one of our clubs is really dark.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: It was gloomy.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: And when I got here, I said, throw everything out,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: throw out everything, and I really pissed off a lot
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: of people, and about a thirty staff quit on me
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: because I was making too many changes too fast. I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: also learned that being a large black male, and I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: give this example. Yesday I was on this panel, there
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: was a woman who worked for me, and I thought
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: she was really fragile. Every time I would be on
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: the phone, I would come out of my office and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: she would be crying. I'm like, why the hell are
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: you crying? And she was like, every time you raised
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: your voice, it's just.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Charing. I'm just caring.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: So I went to HR and I was like, get
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: her out of here. So I got to thinking, I said,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: why is my voice triggering her? So I sat down
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: with her was I wanted to seek understanding. And what
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize is that she was in a domestic
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: violent violence relationship for over a decade, and her husband
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: resembled me, and from what how does she described was
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: just as loud as me. And so I grew up
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: in a household where everybody just scream and we're loud.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: We're just loud individuals. So what I've learned is that
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: I had to temper my enthusiasm or when I got elevated,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: I now go in my car and I screamed at people.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: I don't do it. I don't do it in my
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: office anymore.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Good stuff, Okay, so filling the blank. Real leadership is.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: Karen given and giving back to those who are around you.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Good answer, all right, number five? We only got a
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: couple more. So you can.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: See you sweat all I'm gonna take you.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: You ain't gotta tell that people what number on next?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Number five?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: If your younger self walked into a room right now,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: what would you tell him?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: That's a good one.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: There was years that I used to be a car thief,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: and those years were very, very challenging in many ways.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: And I wish early on in my life I would
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: have turned that switch before I met this woman of mine,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: And I wish I would have found some mentors around
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: me that would have intervened earlier, because I feel like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: I got to later start in life because of some
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: of the things I was doing back when I was
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: in my late teens and early twenties.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: What's your personal definition of success today?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: I would say, I would say it's threefold.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say one, my family first and foremost, and
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: really measuring how healthy my family is and how we
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: acting and support one another. So I would say that's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: one target of mind. Then I would say, on the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: business side, my work at Boys and Girls clubs in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: terms of the resources that we raise, are we really
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: impacting young people lives? Are they graduating from high school?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: Are they going on to college? Are they graduating and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: becoming medical doctors and lawyers? And are we seeing it
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: and are we tracking it? And that's the other thing.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: And then I would say, now that I've just turned fifty,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: it's health related, right, you know. Every year I go
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: to the Mayo Clinic, which is the number one, I think,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: the number one hospital in the country, and I go
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: and get executive physicals done to make sure that you know,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: I'm checking all my my blood levels and making sure
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: that I'm okay as you do this work, because when
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: you raise money for challenge communities, there's a lot of
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: challenges that come with tax that come with the jealousy
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: that come with the envy that comes with it, and
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: you got to be prepared and ready all the time.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Are you Are you insured? I mean yes? Do they
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: ensure you?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: I know, people who make CEOs usually, like the companies
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: usually have insurance on them.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: Everybody should get insurance, Like it's I've had I've probably
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: had insurance on me for fifteen years.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: So you know, I'm saying the corporation has insurance on you.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Why you're going to get that blood work done.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: Let me my board doesn't require but it's something you know,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: they don't require it all at all.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I was asking.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no company can require you like it's because of
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: hippo laws. You don't have to share your health status
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: with anybody. Now a board could say, we encourage you
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: to deal it. In my case, you know, fifty was
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: a milestone for me, and you know, turning fifty there's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: a lot of people who just at least fro where
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: I come from are either fifty and there's all kind
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: of health issues or they didn't make it to fifty.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: And so the last few years, I'm working to be
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: a healthier, healthier person. And you can only do that
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: by knowing your status, right, knowing you know what your
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: A one C is, what your cholesterol is, and all
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: those things, because they take a lot of us out.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had a physical done on Friday. Man,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: y'all will get y'all a physical. Yeah, I'm run here thinking,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I just love to eat crushed ice, super amic, super anemic.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: I always know people like I was showing some people
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: like I got this my chart thing from the male clinic,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: and I was showing a group of people like all
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: of my results right, and they were like, man, you
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: share yourself. I don't mind sharing it because people should know,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: like what all their levels are, right, you know. And
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of us die with this pancreatic cancer or
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: like it's it's just so much stuff that can be
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: treated early if you catch it. And so and I
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: gotta think my wife, right, there was parents in my
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: and I married us. I ain't going to know a doctor.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: And she's like, oh, it's been two years. You ain't
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: got your fist. Oh I go next year? She was like, nope,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: you're going now. So part of it, I would say,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: being married to a good woman, she would make you go.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: I am, I am really.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: Honored, appreciate, and honestly, if you ever need my help
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: and you need me.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: To jump on the I need it right now. I
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: need your help and I have a friend who needs
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: your help. One of my girlfriends was recently the CEO
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: of a nonprofit here in Charleston, South Carolina, and the
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: board was giving her a super super tough time, first
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: black woman, young, she's only forty as well, she just
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: turned forty in December, and you know, they just didn't
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: treat her well. So she ended up stepping down recently.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: But I know she's good at raising money. I've been
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: to it, so like, yeah, I would also like, you know,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: maybe this is another reason why she needs I would
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: like for you to possibly talk to her. Also, yeah, of.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: Course say no more than.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, AJ feeling your schedule up?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Ain't she tell you relationships is worth more than money? Okay? Okaya?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: Life is an open book, and I went through something
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: like that. I ran a very large nonprofit and I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: went there for four months and my departure was very,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: very very public and U and so and I was
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: a black CEO of two different nonprofits, first black CEO
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: of two and it just didn't work because I am
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: the type of CEO that I cannot be a figurehead
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: and I will not be a figurehead. And if you
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: hire me as the CEO, you got to know if
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: I interview for a job, I'm going to be straight
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: up with you, right, I am an entrepreneurial CEO, and
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: if you hire me in that role, you need to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: allow me and empower me to be in that role.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: But you got to find somebody else. And it's that symbol.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: And I've always operated like that. And so when you
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: ask the question around audacity of faith, my faith have
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: always allowed me to step out there on courage and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: know that your skills are strong enough that if somebody
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: mistreat you, you're laying on your feet in the next
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: opportunity to present itself.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Am all right? Final question? Complete this sentence. In twenty
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: twenty five, the world needs more leaders who blank.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: Show empathy and compassion. You know, I think about what's
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: going on with the SNAP program. I made a post
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: about it on my LinkedIn profile that I think has
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: now gone viral, and you like, there's people out here
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: that have no empathy. And as somebody who benefited you
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: know from Snap, a mother who was single, they had
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: schizophrenia and mental health issues. There are people who are
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: dependent on those resources. And I just see a lack
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: of empathy and a lack of compassion from so many
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: people in this country right now. And we need leaders
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: who's going to be bridge builders and show empathy and compassion.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, none of that, that's for sure, and they
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: need to go ahead and give them Snap benefits right
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: on back.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: Messed around, really Snap, but they I.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Think they got they got it. They got it November first.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: But I guess there's going to be any trumpset.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: Trump a couple of hours ago said it's not happening.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: Yesterday they announced that they were going to get half
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: half of the funds out, and then today he circled
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: it back and say, ain't nothing going down until the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Democrats come.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: And pass his budget. Wow, you know, in cases like
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: this and.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: What all I got to see what all that budget includes,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: because a lot of times they have a whole bunch
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: of bullshit. The small print people aren't reading that's included
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: in these bills and budgets, right, which is probably why
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: they won't pass it.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, people have agendas, and people want to reallocate
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: funds to things that's important to them. And the reality
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: is we are a very divided country. The president won
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: with a little over half the vote, and his base
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: is probably saying, why why cater to that other half
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: when they're not going to vote for you anyway. And
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: so I think it's going to be a challenging next
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: few years for a lot of a lot of people people,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: and that's why we need leaders who are empathetic and
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: compassion and are willing to step up and do things
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: outside of the box. And you know, normally, like over
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: the holidays, you'll see every year I usually go out
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: and buy somebody a car and raise money for that.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: We've a couple of years ago, you'll see news stories
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: where we help purchase a half a million dollar house
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: for our maintenance guy. We go around town and we
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: give away two three four thousand dollars in tips to
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: restaurant workers. And it's not necessarily just giving out.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: It ain't my money. I just raise it. On social media.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: People are compassionate and they're empathetic and they want to help.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: So a half a million dollar home for how do
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: I apply for the janitorial position right now? Because I
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: clean that motherfucker from top to bottom.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, let me tell you this story about this guy,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: and I talk about it in the book.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: And if you go to m Johnson's CEO dot.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: Com on my website, right on the homepage, you will
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: see a video about this Gentleman's name is Dwayne Malone.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: When I came to Boys and Girls Club sixteen years ago,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: we had no money for maintenance, and Dwayne was like, man,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: I believe in what you're trying to do, and he said,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: I'm going to help you get these buildings together. So
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: he came in one Christmas and we painted one of
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: our boys and girls to meet him in like three
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: volunteers from Christmas Eve all the way to like.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: New Year's Day.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: And every year he's been with me doing something. When Flint,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: Michigan happened, Flint Michigan gave me a key to the city.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: All I really did.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: Was showed up.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: I told Dwayne I wanted to take fifty thousand gallons
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: of water down there, and we had two days to
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: do it. I posted it on my Facebook page and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: within two days he collected fifty thousand gallons of water
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: and we took it down to Flint, Michigan. I really
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: just used my profile and my influence to get the
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: word out. But he did all the major labor. And
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: I recognized that the same thing happened when there was
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: tornadoes and floods in Houston. We rescued people out of
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: their houses. I went down there with firefighters and newspeople,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: and it was Dwayne who drove that semi trailer you know,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: down there full of supplies. So in Wisconsin we have
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: the largest racial gap in home ownership. And he was
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: trying to buy him and his new wife a house
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: that was like an hour and a half outside of Wisconsin.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: And he was actually smart. He told me that's what
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: he was trying to do. So he was making his
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: ask without making his acts, and I was like, man,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: I got to take care of my guy. Now what
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: came of that?
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: If you read the comments like in that set, people
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: are like, oh my god, how can he do this?
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Why would he buy this? For as baking this guy
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: and as other people. Sometimes you got to take care
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: of people on your team too. And I'm thankful because
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: here's a guy who is giving his time and his
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: talent to our organizationation for years and all I simply
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: did us ask dollars to give ten thousand here, twenty
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: thousand there, thirty thousand there to buy him his dream house.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah that wasn't He was the steward of the Lord
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: and the Lord, so I fit the blessing.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: With a home.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: That's all that was.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they leave it bags for something real important. Get
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: on a hacksing for twenty dollars. You need five hundred
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Listen, don't nothing piss me off? Then the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: person asking for twenty dollars, because what you about to
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: do with that? Like, right, I ask anybody even anything.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I really can't afford it a big ass.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: We are going to ask break now. When we get back,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: you gotta give us your SIMP story. Okay, so just
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: be prepared, think about it while we're on this break.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: And you gotta re you gotta re educate me on
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: the SIMPS story.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna help you, all right. We're not
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: really taking a break. We just put a break in there,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: But Simp serious.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: I got y'all making money.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: It's a couple of little dollars.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: We ain't gonna go oh money.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're trying to get some of that.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: I do, got it. It's just in the universe around.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: And just remember old me when y'all started your foundation,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: and I'll come. I'll come work for y'all when y'all
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: making them millions.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna hold you today, don't hold you to that.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: I'll come. I'll come work for y'all any day.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, now we're gonna be looking for you.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I'm about to come work at the Boys and Girls
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Club because I'm trying to get these student loans paid off.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: And y'all know if you work for a nonprofit, you
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: can get your student loans forgiving.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: I think already looked up my salary, so.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: I think, no, I am, I know finance right, I'm money.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Look your ship up.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Me wanted to get my city loans written off. Don't
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: got nothing to do with your salary. I'm trying to
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: get you to pay the government depend.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: All right, So Simp, sim story you have to tell
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: a story about the time you got played by the Office.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Of sex Ooh peez.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Now he's been with his wife for twenty three years now,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: be real curlful, right.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: Think about that one. I don't think I've ever been played.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Oh you're one of those.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: You're a virgo. What's your birth Whe're your birthday? He
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: a libra libra?
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: You a libra like play like she's on just played.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Somebody finessed you out of some money. Somebody made you
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: think that they really liked you, and you call them
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: with your homeboy in a locker room or something.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: I swear to God, and that's never happened to me.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Because somebody said, I guess you could put it in
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: a in a donor way. I don't know how somebody
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: ever promised you some money and didn't come through with
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: the donation.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: I mean I could say I was played by my
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: wife early on. She's dating I talk about it, but
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: she dated this prince looking as us dude, and uh
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: I actually talked about in the book and we were dating.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to get serious, and she was like, well,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back and see my ex boyfriend and
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: like bring some closure to that the weekend. I wanted
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: to get serious and when she left Chicago, her her
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: hair was all whipped up, and she came back three
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: days later and it looked like a hot mess.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: And I just knew you wanted to get serious. Now
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: she is Arbitrarily, she.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: Went back and slept with her ex man.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: That was the weekend you wanted to be serious.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: See how Nick, you know how you know how it is?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: She was.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: We both were like we dated for ten years before
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: we got married, and I was in the music business.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: It was just hard to settle. It was just very difficult,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: and I didn't want to lie to her until I knew.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: And that took me seeing her with another guy. I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: think what happened when I was daying o.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: That hair fucked though, Like.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: That did hurt me. I was all week she was
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: in she was in Minnesota. She was in Minnesota. I
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: was listening to the Osley Brothers all week I was.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: I was in a little feetal position, and you know
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: how it is when your woman is with another man,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: All kind of stuff go through your head. And I
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: was brave enough to talk about it in the book
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: and so h but she was honest with me. She said,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: I need closure, and so I'm gonna go and talk
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: to him, and I knew they woul talk, and I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: was like, I was like, I could drive to Minnesota
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: with you.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Right, because why y'all can't talk on the phone. Y'all
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: had then, though, but I knew.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: She was with that guy for a while, and I
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: don't know what, you know, It still bothers me to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: this day.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I told y'all, if you cheat on your man and
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: he take you back, leave that nigga immediately.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: She can't to Minnesota. Ever.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: Ever, some years ago, you know, women, I feel like women,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: at least the women I've dated, like some men don't
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: get emotionally tired and and easy to move on.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: And I would say, at least for the women I dated,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: it's just not that easy.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: And so my wife in this case was like a stud.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: She was just like, look, you know, while while we
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: were going back and forth, she was like, you know what,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: if you go do your thing, you do your thing,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna live my life and I ain't gonna
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: wait on you, and.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: We can do it.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: And when I got serious she uh, you know, I
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: was like, we gotta now commit if we're gonna do this,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: and she said, well, I need one more weekend, And uh, rightfully?
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: So right like her? I like her.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I like her a lot. She was like, I ran
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: your credit your credit wasn't she? And I'm about to
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: go see Malcolm because you playing Malcolm in the middle.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: In the middle, that was a good that was a
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: good story, all.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Right, tell so I gotta tell her all over again?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: Did you record that?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: We recorded recorded?
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what why would we have stopped?
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Oh that break? Ben over buddy, we.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Canial oh my god before we wrap it up. So
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: for our listeners, Uh, because a lot of people are creatives,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: entrepreneurs every day, people just trying to lead, you know,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: and whatever laying they're in. So what's the one bold
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: step they can take this week to start leading with audacity.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: Self reflection, introspective work it.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta like you can't pour it into your
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: future until you realize what's.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Going on with you right now in the moment.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: And uh, And so I try to self reflect a lot,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: like even to this day at fifty.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: I don't feel accomplished.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: And some people look at my house and my car
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: and my big office and all the stuff we do,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: and I still don't feel accomplished. And the reason I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: think that's the case is because I shared it with you.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: The variety of people that I hang with, right, I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: have some friends who are multi millionaires and billionaires, and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: I have some friends who are still living lives that's
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: not as productive. And I learned from all of them.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: But I don't feel as successful as I know I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: could be, or as impactful as I believe I can be.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: So you are a yacht like a big So I
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: would say the yachts in the boats ain't my thing?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: Like I would say materialist, Well, the island maybe more property.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: I would say, I'm not real big into material things,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: but I do think about I am starting to think
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: about how do I put back into my family. All
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: my family still live in poverty in Chicago. Ninety five
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: percent of my family is either still on Section eight
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: living in poverty. And how do I help build wealth
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: for not only my family, but the people around me,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: including the families that we serve. And that's why in
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: this workforce center, we built this this financial literacy program,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: we built this entrepreneurship center. We want to teach kids,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: you know, how to become doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs. One of
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: my kids just graduated from med school and now she's
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: delivering babies.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: And when she.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Finished her residency, Chang chain And this was somebody that
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: was just in our program nine years ago. I didn't
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: know what she wanted to do with her life. And
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: that's where her name is, doctor Mattiba Bojang. I'm very
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: proud of her, young black woman, and I just can't
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: believe she graduated month and a half ago and she's
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: already delivered over forty some babies at our local hospital.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing powerful. Do you have any survivor's remorse?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know what do you mean by that?
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: Because who made it out the hood? And oh yeah,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: still back there.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm thankful man, because growing up there, I
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: feel like I can handle anything. Like I've lived in
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: the gutter, I've seen the worst, and even though my
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: neighborhood was very challenging, there was a lot of love
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: that too. In the buildings I grew up in. You
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: can go borrow chicking off somebody table, You can borrow
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: sugar kool aid. I don't know another neighborhood when you
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: go and knock on somebody door and say can I
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: borrow some butter and it was just that's how it
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: was in our neighborhood. And even though there was a
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: lot of drugs and prostitution and gain banging, there was
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: a sense of community there. So I'm proud, and I
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: think because I lived in that environment, I've been able
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: to in my new and well in my role at
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: Boys and Girls clubs. Because I have those lived experiences,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: it's made me a better CEO.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: And it also keeps like there's this guy named Jackie
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: Morris that dress like a pimp, and everybody will be like,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: why why do you hang out with him?
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: And you see him. He wears his big dab hats,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: he wears big shiny, glittery shoes, like he does look
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: like a pimp. But I love Jackie so like, I
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: have a fundraiser on Friday night, Jackie's gonna be at
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: my table with one of the biggest philanthropists in my community.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: And I'm not embarrassed to hang out with Jackie because
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: Jackie keeps me grounded and when there's stuff going on
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: in the streets, he tells me, and so I keep
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: him close to me. And some people be like, I
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: just don't know why you do that, And when you.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: Sometimes when people move up, they forget where they come from,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: they forget who like.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: It's not you.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you got to reach back. Jackie got out of prison.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: Jackie came and worked with me on the project. Jackie
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: got out of prison eight years ago. He's been working
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: every day and I helped him through a donor out
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: of Chicago, guy named Willie Wilson, help him purchase at
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: shop in downtown Madison. The same thing with my boy Goon.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: His nickname was Goon's name now is Corey. He runs
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: the Black Man Coalition a Dane County. Spent ten years
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: in the hole. Now he's a nonprofit leader that's also
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: raising millions. Corey introduced me to a donor that I
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: couldn't get to and she recently gave us a million dollars.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: So I poured it to Corey and now Corey is
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: pouring back into me. And I just feel I just
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: believe when you give back to other people, God to
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: bless your work and give back to you.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Thank God. Yeah, So, how can people support your
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: mission or get involved with what you got going on next?
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: I would encourage people. You know that My biggest thing
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: coming up now I'll go to www dot bgc DC
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: dot org. That's the Boys and Girls Clubs at Dane
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: County website. If you want to learn a bit more
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: about my book is m Johnson CEO dot com. We
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: fund raised on Friday where we're raising money for our
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: Youth of the Year event on Friday where there's a
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: competition some young person as an opportunity to win a
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: car to get a college scholarship. And it's a very
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: big competition that we have here in Wisconsin. But my
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: biggest one that's coming up is what we do over
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: the holidays. I want to raise it about two hundred
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars to refurbish somebody house, to give tips to
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: restaurant workers, to help buy a car, to a family
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: that's in need, and if you want to get down
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: and you want to see it in real time, we
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: raise the money and then we bless families in real time.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: We're not one of these organizations where we raise the money.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: So we're gonna sit on there for a year and
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: decide people submit their applications. I don't make any of
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: the decisions anymore because what comes with that when people
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: say you raising that kind of money, Oh, you giving
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: them money to his family, all his friends. So what
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: I've did sometimes you got to listen to criticism and
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: get out in front of it. So over the last
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: seven years, I have a community group of business and
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: civic and gracial community leaders that look at all these
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: applications and then they tell me who to go get
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: the money to.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: And that's how we roll.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So that is b G C DC
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: dot or go pay y'all ties, okay.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: Ministry sometimes outside the walls of the church, right, So.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, podcast is the ministry.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: The broadcast the ministry too. You're sharing the word.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: And in the marketplace, you know, here in the marketplace,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: and uh and you having a little bit of fun
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: Too, right, Thank you so much for joining us. This
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: is really really good what AJ said. I found this
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: amazing CEO from the Boys and Girls Club. I was like, girl,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: he about to be born as hell. But you thought.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: You thought you was disconnected because you were sleeping.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: But I hope it says, I hope we stay in touch.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: I hope y'all come down the third. If y'all come
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: down in July, I would let y'all interview all the celebrities.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: It's usually about seven to eight of them that we had,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: like a couple. I think we had Tate Diggs and
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: I mean website.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: He's gonna come set up shop.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: Let's let's let y'all do y'all thing, all right, Gret,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: absolutely all right.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: We look forward to it.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: And then a j let me know. I'll agree to
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: have free consultant services for you and your nonprofit friend,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: but if it goes beyond those two people, I might
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: to charge you about five hundred dollar an hour.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Ra I'm coming to ship.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Listen. I don't mind paying for information. I give out
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of free information all the time, and I
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: usually have had to pay for the information and I'm
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: then given for free. So I don't mind, you know,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: investing in myself. But anyway, y'all, I'm not gonna charge you.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: But here's what I will say. I see about the book.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: I respect definitely about the book. I am the blueprint
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: is there.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: Go to Amazon dot com and get it. Michael Johnson,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: I see the reading to pop right up and uh.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: And here's what I would say. If the book ain't good,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: I will fully refund you, because I know everybody I
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: talk to they tell me they can't once they started
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: one chapter, they can't stop. And it's real, it's authentic,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 4: it's raw. You really see a leadership book that talk
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: about the adversities and a leader that's raising the type
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: of resources I've raised in my career that comes from
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: the projects, and it's really told. And so I know
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: it's a phenomenal book and I believe it's gonna be
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: a best seller. But I gotta get on podcasts like
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: like y'all's to help us, help help us get the
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: word out.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely because I feel like the subtitle could be
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: real Nigga ceo.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: You know, iur paaraphrase.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: I am an authentic CEO from the streets.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: I have never left my ties as I've grown in
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: my role, I just haven't. And there's there's not one
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: place I feel There's no place in America I feel
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: like I can't go, whether it's in the projects.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: Or in corporate America.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: I'm comfortable in all those spaces because I've been in
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: all those spaces and so but at the same time,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: I've always tried to be my my authentic self. I
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: was on this panel yesterday, I was telling people, don't
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: fake it when you When you fake it in your job,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: that's acting and when you're acting, eventually the acting is
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: going to wear off.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Now, somebody asked me, do you co switch?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: I used to, but now like I used to have
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: a stuttering problem, so I worked on that.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: If there's things you know you need to be better at,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: you work at it. But don't be fake, don't be phony.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: Be you.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: And just like I'm talking to you all like you
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: talk to my guy Goon who runs the Black Men Collers.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: We played pokers with our donors. We play basketball.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: We won't say that.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: You see what they're doing with the basketball players right now.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: They played poker, peanut play gamboo.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: We played for pizza and push ups, that's what That's
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: what we played for.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: I had another pion there.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, all right, that's what we got. That
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: was hilarious. A single man that's in my life. They
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: would have loved that.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: All right, y'all. The audacity to lead with Michael Johnson.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: We do appreciate you for coming and we talked.
• 1:42:54
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