Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / Tech company CEO, wife, children murdered in mansion fire; was his own brothers' jealousy motive for murder?
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- 1:48Speaker 1: But first the special Crime online dot com report the
- 1:51Speaker 1: police interviews in the Chris Watts murder case. I'm Alan Duke.
- 1:55Speaker 1: The prosecutor who sent Colorado dad Chris Watts to prison
- 1:59Speaker 1: for life. He admitted murdering his pregnant wife and two
- 2:02Speaker 1: young daughters. Released hours of police interrogations today and you
- 2:06Speaker 1: can hear them on Nancy's crime and justice website crime
- 2:08Speaker 1: online dot com. You will hear Wats confessed to detectives
- 2:12Speaker 1: that he killed his wife, but you'll also hear his
- 2:14Speaker 1: lie that he did it in a rage after seeing
- 2:16Speaker 1: her on a baby monitor strangle one of their daughters.
- 2:21Speaker 1: They're going to be The prosecutor also released the police
- 2:28Speaker 1: interview with Chris Watts's mistress, Nicole Kessinger. She told investigators
- 2:32Speaker 1: about intimate details of their relationship and what she knew
- 2:36Speaker 1: about his family. The two met at work, flirting in
- 2:39Speaker 1: the hallways for months before going out, and then one
- 2:43Speaker 1: day he told me that he had two kids. I
- 2:45Speaker 1: was sorry, that's pretty cool, and so tell me what
- 2:49Speaker 1: his kids. That sounded like a sarcastic coming. No, I
- 2:51Speaker 1: thought it was kind of cute. I was like, oh,
- 2:53Speaker 1: he's a dad. It was like greater her own father's
- 2:56Speaker 1: day too. Nicole says Watts did not wear a wedding ring.
- 3:00Speaker 1: Thing was is He was never hostile. It was never
- 3:03Speaker 1: anything aggressive, like even when he spoke of his wife
- 3:07Speaker 1: and the fact that they were separating, it was never
- 3:10Speaker 1: like ill. It was very it was still very kind.
- 3:14Speaker 1: It was just like, this is not working. Kessinger says
- 3:17Speaker 1: she started dating Watts in June twenty eighteen, and she
- 3:20Speaker 1: thought he was in the final stages of a divorce.
- 3:23Speaker 1: I didn't know his significant other's name for a while,
- 3:26Speaker 1: and then I think he told me his kid's names
- 3:29Speaker 1: pretty quick. But a police arch of Nicole's computer revealed
- 3:32Speaker 1: she researched Shannon watch his name online in September, a
- 3:36Speaker 1: year before. Did he ever tell you that he loved you? Yes,
- 3:39Speaker 1: he did. Did you ever tell him the same a
- 3:41Speaker 1: couple of times? She says she was concerned about baggage
- 3:44Speaker 1: Watts might bring from his first marriage into their relationship.
- 3:47Speaker 1: I mean, he just told me. He's like, we're housebroke
- 3:49Speaker 1: all the time, and I was just like, that's unfortunate.
- 3:52Speaker 1: And I asked him. I was like, d have four
- 3:54Speaker 1: O one K and he was like yeah. And I mean,
- 3:57Speaker 1: the reason I asked him this is because if I
- 4:00Speaker 1: get into relationship with somebody, I want to know, like
- 4:03Speaker 1: what kind of baggage that they have. I think that's important.
- 4:06Speaker 1: But looking back, Nicole says she had no warning signs
- 4:09Speaker 1: about how much baggage Watts carried to this day, even
- 4:13Speaker 1: after everything that I found out, I still look back
- 4:17Speaker 1: at that and I don't see any red lights. With
- 4:21Speaker 1: the way that he spoke of his family. Watts was
- 4:24Speaker 1: bold enough to take his mistress several times to the
- 4:27Speaker 1: home he shared with his wife and kids. I saw
- 4:30Speaker 1: a picture of his wife and one of his kids,
- 4:34Speaker 1: and I remember thinking to myself, like, Wow, she's so beautiful,
- 4:38Speaker 1: and I took a step back and I was just like,
- 4:41Speaker 1: this man has a gorgeous house, he has beautiful babies,
- 4:46Speaker 1: he has a beautiful wife, he has an awesome job.
- 4:50Speaker 1: Why would he want to leave this? And I remember
- 4:55Speaker 1: talking him about it, and that was the first time
- 4:57Speaker 1: that I tried to actually say, what do you think
- 5:01Speaker 1: about not separating from your wife? Like what if you
- 5:03Speaker 1: really try to work on this? And he had expressed
- 5:06Speaker 1: to me that we've tried to work on this and
- 5:08Speaker 1: it's not working, so that is why we're separating. And
- 5:13Speaker 1: I spent some time like just you know, kind of
- 5:16Speaker 1: because it almost made me feel bad where I was
- 5:18Speaker 1: like to the point where I'm engaging in a relationship
- 5:23Speaker 1: with a man who the way he described it as
- 5:26Speaker 1: in a contractual agreement, but was not in like an
- 5:29Speaker 1: emotional relationship with somebody. And for me, the way I
- 5:33Speaker 1: would have preferred to do this is to have waited
- 5:35Speaker 1: until that contractual agreement was also done and he was done,
- 5:39Speaker 1: and he could have approached me and said, I'm just
- 5:44Speaker 1: had a divorce, you know, maybe we could take the
- 5:47Speaker 1: slow what do you think? But instead it was, oh,
- 5:49Speaker 1: we're separated and we're working on a divorce. And that
- 5:56Speaker 1: is the part that I feel bad about because I
- 6:00Speaker 1: should wait it on that and I didn't. It was
- 6:02Speaker 1: the media coverage of the search for watts missing family
- 6:05Speaker 1: in August that finally made Nicole realize Watts was a liar,
- 6:10Speaker 1: maybe a killer. She called cops after reading in the
- 6:13Speaker 1: newspaper that shone On Watts was four months pregnant. Before
- 6:17Speaker 1: calling police, though, she deleted everything from her phone relating
- 6:20Speaker 1: to Chris, you'd found out that his wife was pregnant,
- 6:25Speaker 1: and I yes, and you did not know that prior
- 6:29Speaker 1: and you found that out via the newspaper articles and
- 6:32Speaker 1: that caused you concern. Well, I just realized that he
- 6:37Speaker 1: was lying to me, and I was like, well, if
- 6:39Speaker 1: you can lie to me about this, what else do
- 6:40Speaker 1: you lying to me about? And it made me realize
- 6:42Speaker 1: that maybe his wife was in danger at that point,
- 6:45Speaker 1: and it was day two two and she still wasn't home.
- 6:48Speaker 1: What did that cause you to do with your phone? Though? Oh? What?
- 6:52Speaker 1: When I deleted those I was just kind of grossed
- 6:55Speaker 1: out by him, to be honest with you, I was
- 6:57Speaker 1: just like, I don't know what's going on right now.
- 7:00Speaker 1: You just lied to me, and I don't want to
- 7:02Speaker 1: see this come over my phone anymore. So I removed it.
- 7:06Speaker 1: So you just you already said, but you removed text messages.
- 7:10Speaker 1: I deleted all of his stuff because he lied to me.
- 7:13Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it was. It was it was
- 7:15Speaker 1: the hurt that made me delete it. And then it
- 7:19Speaker 1: was the lie that made me start questioning everything else
- 7:22Speaker 1: you'd been telling me for the last few days, and
- 7:24Speaker 1: that's when you decided to come forward. Yes. Watch the
- 7:27Speaker 1: full interview with Nicole Wessinger and the police interviews of
- 7:30Speaker 1: Chris Watts on Nancy's crime and justice website Crime online
- 7:34Speaker 1: dot Com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A tragic scene
- 7:45Speaker 1: just two days before Thanksgiving, a home that should be
- 7:48Speaker 1: filled with family preparing for the holiday instead surrounded by
- 7:51Speaker 1: dozens of fire trucks. The mansionoff Route thirty four on
- 7:54Speaker 1: Willowbrook Road went off lame's Tuesday afternoon. Firefighters were called
- 7:57Speaker 1: here around one pm to find one man and dead
- 8:00Speaker 1: just outside the house, and inside three more bodies, another
- 8:04Speaker 1: adult and two children. Unfortunately, they were burned severely as
- 8:08Speaker 1: a result of the fire that they were too, so
- 8:10Speaker 1: that's making things somewhat challenging with the medical examination that
- 8:14Speaker 1: needs to ensue. The bodies have not been identified, but
- 8:17Speaker 1: property records show the homeowners as Keith and Jennifer Canaro.
- 8:21Speaker 1: Investigators soon realized the family owned his house has relatives
- 8:24Speaker 1: about ten miles away Shan Township, and their home also
- 8:28Speaker 1: caught fire earlier the same day. Wonderful people, very nice,
- 8:32Speaker 1: very friendly. Anybody that you'd want to be living next
- 8:35Speaker 1: door to a tech company giant. A CEO and his
- 8:40Speaker 1: wife found dead along with their two little children in
- 8:45Speaker 1: a huge blaze and a nearly two million dollar mansion.
- 8:50Speaker 1: Police now revealing the husband found outside the home with
- 8:54Speaker 1: a deadly gunshot wound. So, of course, at first glance,
- 9:00Speaker 1: so you would think this was an arson, but no
- 9:02Speaker 1: gunshots involved. What happened? I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime
- 9:07Speaker 1: Stories bombshell. Now we are learning murder charges have been
- 9:12Speaker 1: filed in the colts Neck fire. Allegedly this man killed
- 9:19Speaker 1: his brother and his brother's entire family, the wife, Jennifer,
- 9:24Speaker 1: the two little children, and set the home on fire.
- 9:29Speaker 1: It's almost more than I can take in straight out
- 9:32Speaker 1: to crime online dot Com investigative reporter Robin or Lensky, Robin,
- 9:37Speaker 1: what happened? Well? The Mamas County Prosecutor has connected the
- 9:41Speaker 1: docks with his many investigators on this case in colts Neck,
- 9:44Speaker 1: New Jersey, and Paul Knaro is charged. The older brother
- 9:51Speaker 1: is now charged with four counts of murder. Nancy. This
- 9:54Speaker 1: is for allegedly killing his younger brother, Keith fifty there
- 9:59Speaker 1: you're a part. His wife, Jennifer, forty five years old,
- 10:03Speaker 1: and the two little kids, little Jesse who was eleven
- 10:07Speaker 1: and Sophia just eight years old in the third grade.
- 10:10Speaker 1: All dead. Take a listen to Mammoth County, New Jersey
- 10:13Speaker 1: Prosecutor Christopher Gramuccione. We have charged defendant Canaro with four
- 10:17Speaker 1: counts of murder, one count of aggravated arson, one count
- 10:20Speaker 1: of possession of a firearm for an unlawful purpose, and
- 10:23Speaker 1: one count of possession of a knife for an unlawful purpose.
- 10:26Speaker 1: These charges that were filed this morning are in addition
- 10:28Speaker 1: to the charge that was filed last week out of
- 10:30Speaker 1: Ocean Township for the alleged aggravated arson of the defendant's
- 10:33Speaker 1: own home. And by filing these charges, the state alleges
- 10:37Speaker 1: that the defendant murdered his brother, Keith Canaro, and Keith's
- 10:39Speaker 1: entire family, his two children, Sophia and Jesse, and his
- 10:42Speaker 1: wife Jennifer during the early morning hours of Tuesday, November twentieth. Specifically,
- 10:47Speaker 1: we alleged that the defendant repeatedly shot and killed his
- 10:50Speaker 1: brother while he was outside of the side of his
- 10:52Speaker 1: home and then moved to murder the rest of the
- 10:54Speaker 1: family inside the home. We alleged that Jennifer was shot
- 10:56Speaker 1: and stabbed, and the two Canaro children were repeatedly stabbed
- 11:00Speaker 1: by knife. We also alleged that after murdering the Canaro family,
- 11:03Speaker 1: the defendant then set fire to the house at fifteen
- 11:07Speaker 1: Willowbrook and Colteneck in an effort to conceal and disguise
- 11:11Speaker 1: his earlier committing crimes. You know, I'm trying to just
- 11:13Speaker 1: understand the frame of mind that would convince you that
- 11:19Speaker 1: it's okay not only to murder your brother, but his
- 11:22Speaker 1: wife who's clearly probably still asleep, and the two little children.
- 11:27Speaker 1: How do you ever feel justified in murdering children? You don't, Nancy,
- 11:32Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you need to look at
- 11:34Speaker 1: this guy. They need to look at him very carefully
- 11:36Speaker 1: and what the motivator was. He was involved in business businesses,
- 11:41Speaker 1: multiple businesses with his brother since the nineties. They had
- 11:44Speaker 1: a successful tech company. They also had a pesticide company
- 11:49Speaker 1: operated out of the same building in Edsbury Park, New Jersey,
- 11:52Speaker 1: also in Mamma's County home originally to Bruce Springsteen. Many
- 11:55Speaker 1: people know this area of the Jersey Shore. They were
- 11:58Speaker 1: both living in very expensive homes, the older brother living
- 12:01Speaker 1: in a seven hundred thousand dollars home, the younger brother
- 12:04Speaker 1: living in an almost a two million dollar home. So
- 12:07Speaker 1: clearly they were very successful. But was there some sort
- 12:10Speaker 1: of jealous rage going on? I mean the rage that
- 12:14Speaker 1: you could stab the mother, Jennifer forty five, and the
- 12:18Speaker 1: two little kids. They were stabbed to death, Nancy, and
- 12:21Speaker 1: then the fire was set. After the fact, the husband
- 12:25Speaker 1: of this family, the brother, the younger brother, was found
- 12:29Speaker 1: shot to death outside, shot in the back of the head.
- 12:33Speaker 1: And I want to add that an addition to the
- 12:35Speaker 1: four counts of murder. If that's not enough, there's possession
- 12:39Speaker 1: of a firearm he's charged with, and also possession of
- 12:41Speaker 1: a weapon for unlawful purpose. What do we know about
- 12:45Speaker 1: the fires? Nancy? Here's the bottom line. Paul Canaro, who's
- 12:48Speaker 1: now charged with the four counts of murder and the
- 12:50Speaker 1: weapons charge. Originally the Mammoth County Prosecutor's office charged him
- 12:54Speaker 1: with the single charge of aggravated arson. This for setting
- 12:58Speaker 1: his own home, Ocean Township, ten miles away from Coult's Neck,
- 13:03Speaker 1: on fire. There were two small fires at his home,
- 13:06Speaker 1: one in the backyard behind the house and one that
- 13:09Speaker 1: was kind of connected to the garage. You know how
- 13:11Speaker 1: there's a garage door, like an actual manual door, not
- 13:14Speaker 1: where the cars are coming through, but where a person
- 13:16Speaker 1: could come through. There was a second fire there, and
- 13:19Speaker 1: so that charge was for the fire at his own
- 13:21Speaker 1: home at five am. It's the second fire in Coult's
- 13:25Speaker 1: Neck that comes down the pike seven hours later in
- 13:28Speaker 1: the noon hour. Listen to this Keith's Canaro's cause and
- 13:31Speaker 1: manner of death was ruled to be multiple gunshot wounds
- 13:34Speaker 1: by homicide. Jennifer Jesse and Sophia's cause and manner of
- 13:38Speaker 1: death remain open pending toxicology reports. But as I mentioned
- 13:41Speaker 1: last week when we spoke about this case, it is
- 13:43Speaker 1: the state's position and allegations that they were the victims
- 13:46Speaker 1: of homicidal violence, as indicated by the charges that were
- 13:49Speaker 1: filed today. The cause of the two fires at the
- 13:51Speaker 1: Ocean Township home and the Coultsneck home has been determined
- 13:54Speaker 1: to be arson by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
- 13:57Speaker 1: I want to move to the tech company CEO, his wife,
- 14:02Speaker 1: and their two young children found dead at the scene
- 14:08Speaker 1: of an intentional fire in an very upscale neighborhood, the
- 14:14Speaker 1: bodies of Keith Canaro, his wife Jennifer, their son and
- 14:18Speaker 1: daughter all discovered dead, and their two million dollar Colt's
- 14:24Speaker 1: Neck home up in flames. Now to Joe Scott Morgan,
- 14:30Speaker 1: Professor forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath
- 14:34Speaker 1: My Feet, his book on Amazon. Now, when you walk
- 14:38Speaker 1: into and I've had an arson very similar to this,
- 14:40Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, Joe Scott, as you
- 14:42Speaker 1: well know, arsons, in my mind, are one of the
- 14:45Speaker 1: most difficult cases to prove, because first you've got to
- 14:49Speaker 1: prove it was a crime, that it's not accidental. You
- 14:52Speaker 1: got to figure out how the fire started when all
- 14:54Speaker 1: your evidence is burned up. That's sometimes hard to do.
- 14:57Speaker 1: So I started developing a thing, let me just say
- 15:02Speaker 1: for arsons, because they're very very technical cases. When you
- 15:07Speaker 1: first come up to a home that is burned to
- 15:09Speaker 1: the ground and people are dead, you think, ah, accion
- 15:12Speaker 1: on fire, death by smoke inhalation. But only when you
- 15:17Speaker 1: determine the cause of the fire, be it electrical, be
- 15:20Speaker 1: it accelerant such as gasoline or alcohol of some sort.
- 15:24Speaker 1: I've had one arson in a million dollar home started
- 15:26Speaker 1: with a shoe cleaner with acetone in it. Find that
- 15:29Speaker 1: I believe in fingernail polish. Long story short, you gotta
- 15:33Speaker 1: get the bodies if they're not charred beyond recognition, and
- 15:37Speaker 1: then do the autopsy. When you find the man, the
- 15:41Speaker 1: dad out front, and then you examine the body, find
- 15:45Speaker 1: out he didn't die from smoke inhalation, he died from
- 15:48Speaker 1: a gunshot wound. You take it on, Joe Scott. Yeah,
- 15:52Speaker 1: that's that's a bizarre set of circumstances, Nancy. And there's
- 15:56Speaker 1: there's two ways that we look at this. You're absolutely
- 15:58Speaker 1: right when you're talking about how complicated complex these cases are.
- 16:02Speaker 1: If no one's ever been in our audience, has never
- 16:05Speaker 1: been into a home that's been burned down, it looks
- 16:08Speaker 1: like just a jumble mass of black and gray debris everywhere.
- 16:12Speaker 1: And I remember, as a young investigator looking at this
- 16:15Speaker 1: and thinking, how in the world is all of this
- 16:17Speaker 1: sorted out? But there is a method to the madness
- 16:21Speaker 1: when we do the examinations on bodies that have been
- 16:24Speaker 1: subjected to fire. First off, my first thought is not
- 16:27Speaker 1: that this is an accident. I work down I assume
- 16:30Speaker 1: that everything is a homicide, and when I take a
- 16:33Speaker 1: look at a body, I'm going to look at it toxicologically,
- 16:35Speaker 1: and I'm going to look at the injuries. And in
- 16:38Speaker 1: this particular case, what we do is we draw blood
- 16:41Speaker 1: and we look for something that's called carboxyhemoglobin. And what
- 16:44Speaker 1: that simply means is were they alive. Were they alive
- 16:48Speaker 1: at the time that the fire was going in on,
- 16:50Speaker 1: because if they were, that means that the carbon monoxide
- 16:53Speaker 1: level in their blood is going to be particularly high.
- 16:56Speaker 1: And also we're going to look into their airway to
- 16:59Speaker 1: see if they've actually physically inhalated any kind of debris
- 17:03Speaker 1: like burning paper, burning wood, anything that will give us
- 17:06Speaker 1: a physical indication. Tell me this. They find the body
- 17:10Speaker 1: of Keith Canaro, the dad, out front, from a gunshine wound,
- 17:15Speaker 1: and suddenly they think, oh, okay, he killed himself. Then
- 17:20Speaker 1: he burns the house down. So that's the first line
- 17:24Speaker 1: of thinking. Guys, for those of you just joining us,
- 17:27Speaker 1: A CEO and his two small children, the young son
- 17:32Speaker 1: and daughter found dead in a horrific place. And I'm
- 17:35Speaker 1: looking at the little boy and the little girl right now, Jackie,
- 17:39Speaker 1: the little boy has on the same exact outfit my
- 17:41Speaker 1: son wears. The little under arm or shirt he thinks
- 17:43Speaker 1: he's so cool. And the little black socks with the
- 17:47Speaker 1: red stripe up the back, that's the thing at their school.
- 17:50Speaker 1: And the little girl's hair is all tossl, tausel. That's
- 17:53Speaker 1: just got out of bed. I'm looking at their photos
- 17:55Speaker 1: right now. I'm looking at a picture of Keith Canaro
- 17:58Speaker 1: and why Jennifer Miling doing a selfie together. I don't
- 18:03Speaker 1: understand what happened, but I do know this. When they
- 18:06Speaker 1: first come up, Kathleen Murphy joining me, North Carolina family Lawyer,
- 18:11Speaker 1: you come upon a scene, Kathleen, the husband's out front
- 18:14Speaker 1: with a gunshot wound, the wife and the two little
- 18:16Speaker 1: children dead, and the two million dollar mansion. They think
- 18:20Speaker 1: it's murder suicide, because that's typically the way that playbook goes. Kathleen,
- 18:24Speaker 1: why domestic violence is rampant? Custody actions are rampant men
- 18:31Speaker 1: killing their wives and their children in the Chris Watt's
- 18:34Speaker 1: case is in the news, and it is a problem.
- 18:36Speaker 1: And that's what's going on in my mind at the
- 18:38Speaker 1: first impression of that story. Right now, I'm looking in
- 18:41Speaker 1: videos showing smoke pouring from the roof of this gorgeous mansion.
- 18:48Speaker 1: The mansion on fire, and it looks like somebody has
- 18:51Speaker 1: covered Canaro's body lying out front in the yard with
- 18:56Speaker 1: a sheet. At this point, I doubt they know that
- 18:59Speaker 1: inside it is the beautiful young mom and two little children.
- 19:03Speaker 1: But all is not as it seems. I'm sad to
- 19:07Speaker 1: report that we've had an incident here that remains under investigation.
- 19:10Speaker 1: Around twelve thirty eight, the County Dispatch received the call
- 19:14Speaker 1: for a structure fire on Willow Grove Road in cult Neck.
- 19:19Speaker 1: Here in town. There was a response, a large fire
- 19:22Speaker 1: and police response, and that continues as I stand here today. Unfortunately,
- 19:27Speaker 1: we have confirmed that there are four fatalities that we're
- 19:30Speaker 1: found to be at the home. It's two adults and
- 19:33Speaker 1: two children. We are still investigating the cause and manner,
- 19:36Speaker 1: and unfortunately the fire, because it is still ongoing, it's
- 19:39Speaker 1: creating some challenges for investigation. But a number of ladders,
- 19:43Speaker 1: more than t fire departments continue to work to suppress
- 19:46Speaker 1: and extinguish that fire, and we're going to continue our
- 19:49Speaker 1: investigation once that's scene is released. I don't have any
- 19:52Speaker 1: information I can provide on identity of these individuals. Now
- 19:55Speaker 1: know who the four people were. It was Key Knaro,
- 19:58Speaker 1: the CEO of a tech company, his beautiful young wife, Jennifer,
- 20:02Speaker 1: and their two little children, absolutely precious children. All four
- 20:07Speaker 1: killed ablaze in their two million dollar mansion. But not
- 20:12Speaker 1: all is as it seems as a matter of fact
- 20:16Speaker 1: to in criminal law, Kathleen Murphy, you know very well,
- 20:19Speaker 1: I always say there's no coincidence in criminal law. Nope,
- 20:23Speaker 1: there is no coincidence in where there's smoke, there's fire.
- 20:26Speaker 1: I was just waiting for somebody to say that. I
- 20:28Speaker 1: thought it would be Jackie, but it was you. Okay,
- 20:31Speaker 1: Robert Willlenski, there are two different mansions. Explain the significance
- 20:36Speaker 1: of two mansions at issue in the same twenty four
- 20:40Speaker 1: hour period. Okay, I'm gonna make it crystal clear. There
- 20:42Speaker 1: are two fires in two separate towns ten miles apart.
- 20:46Speaker 1: The first fire, Nancy, happens at five o'clock in the
- 20:49Speaker 1: morning at Paul Canaro's house. That mouse is six hundred
- 20:54Speaker 1: and seventy thousand dollars. There's a fire nine one. One
- 20:57Speaker 1: is called his wife and two daughters, and he gets
- 21:01Speaker 1: out safely in Ocean Township, about ten miles away. Seven
- 21:06Speaker 1: hours later, there is a fire at the two million
- 21:09Speaker 1: dollar mansion in Cultsneck is a really well to do town.
- 21:14Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen the singer has a home there. John Stewart
- 21:18Speaker 1: the comedian has a home there, and many other famous names.
- 21:21Speaker 1: A lot of people live there anonymously on these big
- 21:24Speaker 1: ten acre horse farms. It's one of the wealthiest, most
- 21:27Speaker 1: beautiful town in New Jersey. I'm from New Jersey. Coultsneck
- 21:31Speaker 1: is big time money and Nancy, that's where the second
- 21:34Speaker 1: fire is. Seven hours later, you're telling me that there
- 21:37Speaker 1: was an early early early morning fire with Paul Knaro
- 21:42Speaker 1: in his seven hundred thousand dollars mansion. And then what
- 21:45Speaker 1: happened and then the Mammoths County nine one one system.
- 21:48Speaker 1: These people both live in Mammoths County. They get a
- 21:51Speaker 1: call for a fire at a second home, same last name, Ding,
- 21:54Speaker 1: Ding Ding, and that's when alarm bells literally go off.
- 21:58Speaker 1: Nancy that there's fire at the older brother's house who's
- 22:02Speaker 1: fifty one, and fire at the second brother's house, who's
- 22:05Speaker 1: fifty okay now. Joe Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath
- 22:08Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon and professor forensics at Jacksonville State University.
- 22:13Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I mean, just at first blush You've got
- 22:17Speaker 1: two brothers ten miles apart, both living in mansions, both
- 22:21Speaker 1: with their wives and children at home, when fires break
- 22:25Speaker 1: out in the early morning hours. At first glance, you
- 22:30Speaker 1: would assume you would deduct either or there's a vendetta
- 22:34Speaker 1: against the Canaro family and both the brothers have been
- 22:37Speaker 1: their homes have been set on fire, or one set
- 22:41Speaker 1: the others home on fire. I mean, there's there's gotten
- 22:44Speaker 1: to be a connection. They're ten miles apart, they have
- 22:47Speaker 1: to win a couple of hours of each other, same
- 22:49Speaker 1: emo arson. They've got to be connected, Joe Scott, There's
- 22:53Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind about that. Yeah, Yeah, you're right, Nancy.
- 22:56Speaker 1: And you know I'm not going to be looking to
- 22:57Speaker 1: the heavens to see if Brimstone's rank raining down and
- 23:00Speaker 1: just arbitrarily strikes these two homes. There is connected. My
- 23:06Speaker 1: first My first idea is that I want to see
- 23:09Speaker 1: the connectivity between both of these events. The methodology that's used,
- 23:13Speaker 1: and that is what's the origin of this fire? Where
- 23:16Speaker 1: where do they start? Uh in a particular location. Was
- 23:20Speaker 1: one started interiorly or someone started exteriorly or both. Also,
- 23:25Speaker 1: another thing that's key here is that most fires don't
- 23:29Speaker 1: just spontaneously start. You're going to have to have an
- 23:31Speaker 1: electrical source. You can have a chemical source. You can
- 23:34Speaker 1: have a source like gasoline you had mentioned earlier, some
- 23:37Speaker 1: kind of flammable liquid. And one of the things that
- 23:41Speaker 1: we look for in this in this this uh mass
- 23:46Speaker 1: of burned debris are hot spots. These areas where accelerant
- 23:51Speaker 1: is used. Generally there'll be more destruction in that particular
- 23:54Speaker 1: area as a point of origin. That's one of the
- 23:56Speaker 1: things we look for. What could have caused this. Well,
- 23:58Speaker 1: let me tell you something, Joe Scott, You're absolutely right.
- 24:01Speaker 1: When you're analyzing an arson scene, you find the most damage.
- 24:06Speaker 1: Typically that's where the fire started. It's where the most
- 24:09Speaker 1: damage is if you have an accelerant. I recall one
- 24:13Speaker 1: arson scene that was chalked up too electrical. It wasn't electrical.
- 24:18Speaker 1: It was started with an accelerant. The kitchen was most
- 24:21Speaker 1: badly damaged. That's where the fire started and you could
- 24:26Speaker 1: hardly make it out. But on the floor it looked
- 24:29Speaker 1: like somebody had poured coke, pepsi something like that and
- 24:34Speaker 1: it had dried. That's what the burned floor looked like.
- 24:38Speaker 1: That's where the accelerant was poor. That's just what it
- 24:41Speaker 1: looked like to me. Okay. Then we bring in a
- 24:45Speaker 1: fire dog, who you know, dogs only see in shades
- 24:49Speaker 1: of like gray and black. The dog immediately hit on
- 24:52Speaker 1: what it looked like to me was dried coke. What
- 24:55Speaker 1: that was is where the floor had been scorched really
- 24:58Speaker 1: in the outline where they poured the accelerant. It was
- 25:02Speaker 1: not gasoline, but I'll just say gasoline for purposes of
- 25:05Speaker 1: this discussion. Like where the gasoline had been poured, you
- 25:08Speaker 1: could actually see the scorched outline on the floor. Okay.
- 25:12Speaker 1: And at first we thought the wife, the mom had
- 25:15Speaker 1: died of smoke inhalation until get to the hospital and
- 25:20Speaker 1: she had a cylindrical blow to the very top of
- 25:24Speaker 1: her head. So that's how that particular arson worked out.
- 25:28Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. The origin of the Coultsaneck
- 25:30Speaker 1: fire was in the basement and the origin of the
- 25:32Speaker 1: Ocean Township fire was two exterior locations at each end
- 25:35Speaker 1: of the house in Ocean Township. Now, there's been extensive
- 25:38Speaker 1: speculation about the timeline or order of an events as
- 25:41Speaker 1: it pertained to the fires in these two towns. We
- 25:43Speaker 1: alleged that the Coultsneck incident happened in the early morning
- 25:46Speaker 1: hours of last Tuesday, November twentieth. We also alleged that
- 25:49Speaker 1: the defendant returned to his house in Ocean Township with
- 25:52Speaker 1: certain items of evidence that he retained from the Coltsaneck
- 25:55Speaker 1: crime scene, and I can't find provide any further description
- 25:58Speaker 1: as to that type of evidence because of the ethical
- 26:00Speaker 1: and legal rules that constrain us from there. We alleged
- 26:03Speaker 1: the defendant intentionally set fire in his home at are
- 26:06Speaker 1: about five am for the purpose of both destroying evidence
- 26:10Speaker 1: of his earlier crimes in colts Neck and to also
- 26:12Speaker 1: create the illusion that the overall Canaro family was somehow
- 26:16Speaker 1: victimized or targeted. We alleged that it was a ruse.
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- 28:05Speaker 1: willing Crime stories with Nancy Grace. They have a very
- 28:15Speaker 1: large fire. After two house fires and four murders, police
- 28:19Speaker 1: in quiet colts Neck, New Jersey, has been Thanksgiving Eve
- 28:22Speaker 1: looking to solve a gruesome mystery. It started when flames
- 28:25Speaker 1: shot through this sprawling mansion around twelve thirty yesterday, afternoons
- 28:31Speaker 1: of roots pretty construction, fire discussion inside forty five year
- 28:36Speaker 1: old Jennifer Canaro and what police believe were her two
- 28:39Speaker 1: young children, their bodies left to burn, and outside another
- 28:43Speaker 1: grim find their father, fifty year old Keith Knaro, shot
- 28:47Speaker 1: to death on the lawn. You are hearing from our
- 28:49Speaker 1: friend Tony Jacopol of CBS News reporting four people dead,
- 28:53Speaker 1: all four of homicidal violence. Now that's a big clue
- 28:58Speaker 1: right there, to Justice Scott Morgan, Professor forensics. When you
- 29:02Speaker 1: have an arson, you know the dad has been shot.
- 29:05Speaker 1: You don't know about the other three. They knew already
- 29:09Speaker 1: it was homicide, not just an arson. The two children
- 29:14Speaker 1: were actually stabbed dead, Joe Scott and the wife as well. Yeah,
- 29:20Speaker 1: and that the police, if there's anything good in this investigation,
- 29:25Speaker 1: the police do have evidence of homicidal violence before going
- 29:28Speaker 1: into the home. I think many times we walk in
- 29:32Speaker 1: and we don't have a direction to go in. But
- 29:35Speaker 1: if we've got a dead guy laying on the lawn,
- 29:38Speaker 1: then anybody else that we find in that home is
- 29:41Speaker 1: going to be suspect. A relative to the injuries that
- 29:44Speaker 1: they have and it's it is just an absolute mess, Nancy.
- 29:49Speaker 1: When you have bodies that have been burned, and you know,
- 29:52Speaker 1: most of the time when bodies are burned in connection
- 29:55Speaker 1: with a homicide, it's to destroy evidence. And sometimes if
- 29:59Speaker 1: we talked about tolerance this sort of thing, they create
- 30:02Speaker 1: more evidence. Because I don't know about this particular case.
- 30:05Speaker 1: I've had cases where perpetrators have literally gone in they've
- 30:09Speaker 1: killed people, and they have taken accelerant poured it over
- 30:12Speaker 1: the bodies, thinking that, oh, yeah, this is just going
- 30:14Speaker 1: to absolutely destroy the body. It doesn't. It takes an
- 30:18Speaker 1: incredible amount of heat to destroy a human body. And
- 30:21Speaker 1: he didn't succeed. Yeah, it would have gotten out of
- 30:23Speaker 1: all of that evidence. Stab wounds would have been practically
- 30:27Speaker 1: impossible to prove a shooting more likely because you may
- 30:31Speaker 1: have found a bullet. A neighbor says her husband saw
- 30:36Speaker 1: the smoke, saw the smoke from the Colts Neck home
- 30:39Speaker 1: and ran to help. She said. The husband claims the
- 30:43Speaker 1: door was open, and the husband starts screaming, is anybody here?
- 30:48Speaker 1: Is anybody here? And then he calls nine one one.
- 30:51Speaker 1: Then he saw what was the left of a body.
- 30:55Speaker 1: We're learning so much more right now, we're learning that
- 30:58Speaker 1: the two little children, Yes eleven Sophia eight, also murdered
- 31:03Speaker 1: in their two million dollar home at Willowbrook Roads. If
- 31:06Speaker 1: you have a house that's almost two million dollars, that
- 31:09Speaker 1: it's packed tightly with video and security, and there's so
- 31:13Speaker 1: much of that going on. I know for a fact
- 31:15Speaker 1: that at the first house that there was security there.
- 31:18Speaker 1: I think of what these two brothers did for a living.
- 31:21Speaker 1: They worked for a company called Square One, which was
- 31:23Speaker 1: a tech consulting firm, so they had all this high
- 31:26Speaker 1: tech stuff, Especially at the seven hundred thousand dollar house.
- 31:29Speaker 1: They said that he had infrared on different floors and
- 31:32Speaker 1: security cameras. I think the MoMA's County prosecutor, I think
- 31:36Speaker 1: that if there are videos and surveillance, they are keeping
- 31:39Speaker 1: it very tight. So I just picked up on something
- 31:41Speaker 1: you said. Robin Willinski joining me, investigative reporter with Crime
- 31:44Speaker 1: Online dot Com, where you can find this and all
- 31:47Speaker 1: other breaking crime injustice news. Kathleen Murphy with me, North
- 31:50Speaker 1: Carolina family lawyer and forensics expert, Joseph Scott Morgan also
- 31:55Speaker 1: with me, Jackie Howard here in the studio, and Alan
- 31:58Speaker 1: joining me from La Robin, you mentioned that both of
- 32:01Speaker 1: the brothers weren't for the same tech company. Tell me
- 32:05Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, Well, the brother who's dead teeth, the
- 32:08Speaker 1: fifty year old, he's highly educated. He went to Columbia
- 32:12Speaker 1: University undergrad. Annie had a master's degree from there, and
- 32:16Speaker 1: he was the big earner brother, the younger brother by
- 32:18Speaker 1: only a year. There were three brothers. There's the fifty
- 32:21Speaker 1: one year old, the fifty year old, and then there's
- 32:23Speaker 1: a younger brother who they say is not involved in this,
- 32:26Speaker 1: but they founded. The guy with the master's degree from Columbia,
- 32:30Speaker 1: he founded this company. It was based in Asbury Park,
- 32:33Speaker 1: also in Mammoth County, called Square one, a tech consulting firm,
- 32:37Speaker 1: and he was the CEO and founder, and brother Paul,
- 32:40Speaker 1: who's still alive, was the vice president. So even though
- 32:43Speaker 1: he was older, he had the second tier, you know,
- 32:48Speaker 1: title at the company. So was there jealousy there? Who knows?
- 32:52Speaker 1: Also they ran a pest control company. And if you
- 32:56Speaker 1: go online to Square one, Nancy, and you look it
- 32:59Speaker 1: up at Asbury Park in big red letters. This morning,
- 33:02Speaker 1: I looked it up, it says permanently closed. Mumm both
- 33:07Speaker 1: brothers working at Square one tech company, clearly making a
- 33:12Speaker 1: very lucrative living, one and a two million dollar home,
- 33:16Speaker 1: one and a seven hundred thousand dollar home. How did
- 33:19Speaker 1: they both go up in flames within hours of each other?
- 33:24Speaker 1: One entire family, the family of Keith Canaro, the older brother,
- 33:29Speaker 1: all killed. Listen. The additional charges have been filed against
- 33:34Speaker 1: Paul Canaro, and he's been served with those charges while
- 33:37Speaker 1: he's detained at the Monmoth County Correctional Institute Here in Freehold.
- 33:40Speaker 1: We have charged defendant Canaro with four counts of murder,
- 33:43Speaker 1: one count of aggravated arson, one count of possession of
- 33:47Speaker 1: a firearm for an unlawful purpose, and one count of
- 33:49Speaker 1: possession of a knife for an unlawful purpose. These charges
- 33:52Speaker 1: that were filed this morning are in addition to the
- 33:54Speaker 1: charge that was filed last week out of Ocean Township
- 33:56Speaker 1: for the alleged aggravated arson of the defendant's own home.
- 33:59Speaker 1: And by filing these charges, the state alleges that the
- 34:02Speaker 1: defendant murdered his brother, Keith Canaro, and Keith's entire family,
- 34:06Speaker 1: his two children, Sophia and Jesse, and his wife Jennifer,
- 34:08Speaker 1: during the early morning hours of Tuesday, November twentieth. Specifically,
- 34:12Speaker 1: we alleged that the defendant repeatedly shot and killed his
- 34:15Speaker 1: brother while he was outside of the side of his home,
- 34:17Speaker 1: and then moved to murder the rest of the family
- 34:19Speaker 1: inside the home. We alleged that Jennifer was shot and
- 34:22Speaker 1: stabbed and the two Canaro children were repeatedly stabbed by knife.
- 34:26Speaker 1: We also alleged that after murdering the Canaro family, the
- 34:29Speaker 1: defendant then set fire to the house at fifteen Willowbrook
- 34:32Speaker 1: and Coltsneck in an effort to conceal and disguise his
- 34:36Speaker 1: earlier committing crimes. Keith Canaro he said that he started
- 34:42Speaker 1: loving computers and tech when he worked as a janitor
- 34:46Speaker 1: at a computer store for free as a teenager, while
- 34:52Speaker 1: also working at fast food restaurants. Wow, So he worked
- 34:57Speaker 1: as a janitor for free at a tech company because
- 35:02Speaker 1: he loved computers. He was willing to sweep in, mop
- 35:05Speaker 1: floors and clean bathrooms just to be around the tech business.
- 35:08Speaker 1: Working as a janitor for free, making money working at
- 35:12Speaker 1: a restaurant. Boy, I've done that, and being a working
- 35:15Speaker 1: at a restaurant is not easy. So long story short,
- 35:19Speaker 1: we're getting a picture. A picture of these two brothers.
- 35:24Speaker 1: The older brother, Columbia educated Keith was the best man
- 35:29Speaker 1: at Paul's wedding back in nineteen ninety one. I found
- 35:32Speaker 1: that in a wedding announcement in the Staten Island Advance
- 35:35Speaker 1: they were very very close. This is what we're finding out,
- 35:39Speaker 1: another bizarre twist. I hope you're sitting down. The Monmouth
- 35:44Speaker 1: County Prosecutor says that he's now facing four counts of murder,
- 35:48Speaker 1: a count of aggravated arson, and one count of an
- 35:50Speaker 1: illegal firearm for an illegal purpose. He's accused of shooting
- 35:55Speaker 1: his brother outside of his home in Colt's Neck, shooting
- 35:58Speaker 1: his brother's wife and stabbing her as well, and also
- 36:01Speaker 1: repeatedly stabbing their two young children. Now he was supposed
- 36:05Speaker 1: to appear at court Wednesday, but his lawyer asked that
- 36:07Speaker 1: the hearing beheld Friday instead. After he was giving undisclosed
- 36:11Speaker 1: evidence by prosecutors, Keith Canaro was found dead from a
- 36:15Speaker 1: gunshot wound in the yard of his home in Colt's
- 36:17Speaker 1: Neck while it burned. His wife and two children all
- 36:21Speaker 1: found dead inside. Again, the Mammouth County Prosecutor confirming that
- 36:25Speaker 1: Paul Canaro's now charged with four counts of murder along
- 36:28Speaker 1: with possession of a firearm and a possession of a
- 36:31Speaker 1: firearm for unlawful purposes. Everyone in mourning. But while the community, relatives, family, friends,
- 36:38Speaker 1: neighbors mourning the death of the Keith Canaro family, Keith, wife, Jennifer,
- 36:44Speaker 1: two little children, ages eleven and eight, a homicide investigation
- 36:49Speaker 1: is ongoing. Right now. We know the brother of the
- 36:54Speaker 1: millionaire found shot dead in his burning mansion, his wife
- 36:57Speaker 1: and his children stabbed dead. The brother has been charged
- 37:01Speaker 1: in a bizarre twist. Oh, my son, you know what
- 37:04Speaker 1: two old adages come to mind, Robert Wilensky. Oh, would
- 37:08Speaker 1: have tangled webb we weave when first we practice two
- 37:10Speaker 1: deceive and familiarity breeds contempt. These two brothers. Now that
- 37:16Speaker 1: the brother, Paul Knaro, charged with burning up his own home.
- 37:20Speaker 1: He was stumbled out of his home earlier that day.
- 37:22Speaker 1: This is about one hour before his brother's house caught
- 37:25Speaker 1: on fire, saying it must have been a gas leak.
- 37:28Speaker 1: He was seen leaving. You know what is so tangled up,
- 37:31Speaker 1: Robert Wilensky, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. To untangle
- 37:35Speaker 1: it well, The Mamas County Prosecutor has connected the dots
- 37:39Speaker 1: with his many investigators on this case. In Cultsneck, New Jersey,
- 37:43Speaker 1: and Paul Knaro is charged. The older brother is now
- 37:48Speaker 1: charged with four counts of murder Nancy. This is for
- 37:51Speaker 1: allegedly killing his younger brother, Keith fifty there year a
- 37:55Speaker 1: part of his wife, Jennifer forty five years old, and
- 37:59Speaker 1: the two little kids, little Jesse who was eleven and
- 38:02Speaker 1: Sophia just eight years old in the third grade. All dead,
- 38:07Speaker 1: stop hold on, Joe s got Morgan my dad, who
- 38:11Speaker 1: I missed horribly, horribly recently. It was the mark that
- 38:17Speaker 1: he passed away. I remember my dad, who worked on
- 38:21Speaker 1: the railroad forty three years and my mom, who worked,
- 38:24Speaker 1: as you know, in a payroll at a canning company,
- 38:28Speaker 1: got me a car. It was almost time for me
- 38:30Speaker 1: to go to college and they got me a blue,
- 38:34Speaker 1: metallic blue Toyota Corolla. And I could not believe it.
- 38:41Speaker 1: And I remember he didn't cry, but he showed it
- 38:44Speaker 1: to me and his eyes watered up. How long did
- 38:48Speaker 1: he work to buy me a car? Joe Scott, I mean,
- 38:54Speaker 1: when I think about it now, that's a big deal
- 38:57Speaker 1: for people that never missed, were that are there in
- 39:00Speaker 1: the morning at seven and don't get home till seven
- 39:02Speaker 1: at night. That's a big deal, right you remember getting
- 39:06Speaker 1: your first car? Yeah? Yeah, Actually, I dude, Nancy, all
- 39:09Speaker 1: those many years ago, when dinosaurs still run the earth,
- 39:13Speaker 1: it was it was a big deal to me because
- 39:15Speaker 1: it represented freedom to me, and I knew that, I
- 39:19Speaker 1: knew the work that had gone in behind it. I
- 39:21Speaker 1: was made to appreciate it because I had to restore
- 39:23Speaker 1: my first car that I ever had. It was bought
- 39:25Speaker 1: as a piece of junk. And oh I wish I
- 39:29Speaker 1: only could have done that Joscot, because I didn't even
- 39:31Speaker 1: know about oil until my motor practically burned up on
- 39:34Speaker 1: the interstate. But that's a whole nother ken Arms Robert Willinski.
- 39:38Speaker 1: Let me get off my mom and dad giving me
- 39:40Speaker 1: my blue Toyota and back on. You said, he's a
- 39:44Speaker 1: big fish in a little pond. Back to untangling this mess. Yeah, Nancy,
- 39:49Speaker 1: so Paul, according to the neighbors with the two daughters
- 39:53Speaker 1: driving the Porsches, and he's you know, it's just throwing
- 39:55Speaker 1: money around like it's candy. And he's a big, big
- 39:58Speaker 1: fish in a little pond in Oceans Township, again a
- 40:00Speaker 1: very nice area to live, upper middle class people. But
- 40:03Speaker 1: this is not the brother Keith his younger brother, who's
- 40:06Speaker 1: a You have to look at the family tree very closely.
- 40:08Speaker 1: They're a year apart. But the second oldest is the CEO.
- 40:12Speaker 1: He's the founder of the company. He's the one who
- 40:14Speaker 1: went to Columbia undergrad. He's the one who has a
- 40:17Speaker 1: master's degree from Columbia. So the second brother living in
- 40:21Speaker 1: the two million dollar house. Oh and by the way,
- 40:24Speaker 1: according to court records, two years ago, they paid off
- 40:28Speaker 1: their one point eight million dollar loan to the bank.
- 40:32Speaker 1: So this second brother is darn can you imagine. I
- 40:36Speaker 1: know what my mortgage is. It's certainly not one point
- 40:38Speaker 1: eight million, and we haven't paid at off. Now, hold on,
- 40:40Speaker 1: let me get this straight. Let me get this straight.
- 40:43Speaker 1: This goes back to Kane and Abel for Pete's sake.
- 40:46Speaker 1: In Genesis, you've got the older brother is Paul Canaro,
- 40:50Speaker 1: who's now charged with the death of the Keith Canaro family.
- 40:54Speaker 1: That's the older brother, the big fish in the little pond,
- 40:57Speaker 1: the one that neighbors say was quote enamored with the money. Okay,
- 41:02Speaker 1: but then you've got the younger brother who founded Square one,
- 41:07Speaker 1: who's living in the two million dollar home ten miles away,
- 41:11Speaker 1: who went to Columbia who started the business. So the
- 41:15Speaker 1: older brother, we could assume sits buying Steve's while his
- 41:19Speaker 1: younger brother supersedes him. I am I getting it right.
- 41:23Speaker 1: That is exactly correct, Nancy. So you need to look
- 41:26Speaker 1: at that family dynamic. The police officers need to interview
- 41:30Speaker 1: other relatives, people who know the communities. Koltsneck is at
- 41:34Speaker 1: a whole different level. When you are living in Coultsneck,
- 41:37Speaker 1: like Bruce Springsteen lives in Coltsneck in a multimillion dollar home,
- 41:41Speaker 1: you have made it. You know that. That is you
- 41:43Speaker 1: know the epitome. You're living in Buckhead or Brookhaven, Georgia,
- 41:48Speaker 1: where all the wealthy people live. That is the right
- 41:51Speaker 1: side of town. Not to say where Ocean Township where
- 41:54Speaker 1: Paul is living seven hundred thousand dollars house, very nice,
- 41:58Speaker 1: but there he could really be y and a show
- 42:01Speaker 1: off compared to the homes of his neighbors. That's the
- 42:04Speaker 1: dynamic that needs to be investigated by the prosecutor's office
- 42:08Speaker 1: in mom of the County. Let me understand this, Am
- 42:10Speaker 1: I expected to believe? Is any defense attorney gonna tell me?
- 42:14Speaker 1: I guess they are? Kathleen Murphy, you're the lawyer here,
- 42:19Speaker 1: I'm just an old trial lawyer trying to make sense
- 42:22Speaker 1: of it all. Somebody going to try and tell me
- 42:25Speaker 1: that these two house fires of two brothers, where the
- 42:29Speaker 1: first one is the older brother, okay, and then the
- 42:34Speaker 1: brother's home being burned down and he's shot and all
- 42:38Speaker 1: three family members stabbed it, including the children, are not connected. Well,
- 42:42Speaker 1: there's another detail there too, and that is that the
- 42:46Speaker 1: older brother who had his home set on fire early
- 42:51Speaker 1: in the morning, was missing for a period of time
- 42:55Speaker 1: between twelve noon and after his other brother's house was
- 43:01Speaker 1: on fire. He was gone. He was gone from his
- 43:04Speaker 1: home that had been in cart incinerated. So where was
- 43:10Speaker 1: he during the period of time between when his house
- 43:14Speaker 1: caught on fire and when his brother's house caught on fire? Well,
- 43:17Speaker 1: can you tell me, Robin Linski about gas cans? Right, So,
- 43:21Speaker 1: when the fire fighters show up at the first house
- 43:24Speaker 1: at five o'clock in the morning, they find gas cans
- 43:27Speaker 1: behind this guy's house, behind Paul's house. The timeline is such.
- 43:31Speaker 1: The first fire is five am. The second fire, I
- 43:35Speaker 1: believe was called in at twelve noon. There's a seven
- 43:37Speaker 1: hour timeline in between these two fires. Neighbors put Paul
- 43:42Speaker 1: still in the neighborhood up until around ten or eleven
- 43:45Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, because he's out there consoling the
- 43:48Speaker 1: wife and the daughters and everybody's shaken up. They've gotten
- 43:51Speaker 1: out of the house. They're giving statements, this, that, and
- 43:54Speaker 1: the other. They're sitting in the car because it's called out.
- 43:57Speaker 1: So the question is where does where is he for
- 44:01Speaker 1: those last hour to two hours before the other house
- 44:04Speaker 1: fire starts. We don't know. Again, I believe that surveillance
- 44:07Speaker 1: cameras are going to tell the tale of this. We
- 44:09Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Take a listen to Mammoth County
- 44:13Speaker 1: Prosecutor Christopher Grahamacione. Now, understandably many have questioned and wondered
- 44:18Speaker 1: about a motive to these alleged crimes. Based on our
- 44:21Speaker 1: investigation to date, we believe that the defendant's motive was
- 44:24Speaker 1: financial in nature, stemming from his and the victims joint
- 44:28Speaker 1: business ventures that they owned and operated out of Asbury Park.
- 44:31Speaker 1: As a result, we have also launched a financial investigation
- 44:34Speaker 1: into the business and financial dealings of the defendant. Now,
- 44:37Speaker 1: with these types of investigations, they take time, so I
- 44:40Speaker 1: won't be able to provide any further information as to
- 44:42Speaker 1: motive at this point in time, but I would encourage
- 44:44Speaker 1: you to continue to follow this case as it proceeds
- 44:47Speaker 1: through the criminal justice system. As court appearances occur, there
- 44:50Speaker 1: will likely be informations that's presented on the record by
- 44:52Speaker 1: the state in this case. Bringing together a case like
- 44:54Speaker 1: this takes a true team effort, and I'm honored to
- 44:57Speaker 1: be joined by some of the agency heads, detectives and
- 44:59Speaker 1: proces cuts, all of whom played a vital role in
- 45:02Speaker 1: bringing this case to a head with these charges today.
- 45:04Speaker 1: The investigation necessarily required the support of a number of
- 45:07Speaker 1: law enforcement partners who stand with me here today, and
- 45:10Speaker 1: I would like to personally commend them and give them
- 45:12Speaker 1: our thanks. Right now, relatives preparing for a funeral. Four caskets,
- 45:18Speaker 1: including two tiny ones, will be rolled out of the
- 45:21Speaker 1: Holmdale Funeral Home as the brother sits in jail. Nancy
- 45:26Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend.