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Protecting childhood from ideological battles · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  As God intended.
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  Let's go.
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  Well, hello, hello.
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  This is Dr.
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  Angie Farrell, your host for looking for Healing Radio.
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  We are here with an amazing uh return guest, actually, um, with the association for mental health professionals.
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  I have Philip Crumb and Kathleen Mills, and they are doing some amazing stuff here locally.
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  We are we are joining together in October for a conference with like-minded mental health professionals as well as allopathic and um osteopathic physicians and other practitioners to really better our world.
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  That's the way I look at it.
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  We're just going to try to better our world in our little microcosms that come in, and then we're just going to try to ripple out our effect.
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  Um, they have been putting together a conference for four years.
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  I've done a couple of conferences myself with like-minded physicians, and we are the ones that are in the minority, which seems kind of crazy to me.
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  But at the same time, we probably aren't as minority focused as we think because there are people that are just so silent because they've been crushed.
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  And this is what we're trying to do.
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  I think part of our vision is really to pull out some of those people that are hiding because they're so scared of where our country is heading and that they get attacked every time they open their mouth with common sense.
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  Um, one of these in particular, of course, is something that's near and dear to my heart as a pediatrician, but it's also one of the forefront issues that they came across at AMHP during the whole what I call the COVID debacle, which was just a smoke screen in my opinion for pushing through very, very unusual, uncommon, uh unpopular viewpoints and making pushing them to the forefront where it to normalize them.
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  Um, I think you guys would agree with me on that one as well.
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  And really, we threw out common sense, we threw out common practices, like in something simple like informed consent, God forbid you use that.
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  Um, this is a forefront of as a physician of where I work from, a space that I work from with kids.
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  I mean, it's super important for families and parents and even the kids to know where we're coming from when we are going to impress on them something that we're gonna do.
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  And I think that's really important on both sides of the coin here.
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  When we're talking about mental health, young children can be easily manipulated.
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  And there are studies upon studies upon, and I know Kathleen, you can talk to this too.
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  There are tons of things out there that show this.
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  Um, even from like in the beginning of the 1900s, I mean, we we there's tons of things out there about it, and there were experiments that on that were done that, you know, to us there's is actually shocking that they were even able to pull it off.
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  But you know, it's kind of brought us to where we are right now.
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  And when we're talking about we we are all in the state of Texas, and so we had um a pretty exciting couple of years with um Senate Bill 14 and Senate Bill 12, which basically banned all gender-affirming surgeries.
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  Um, and then Senate Bill 12 was really about any kind of transitioning is a crime, especially social transitioning in schools where they're using pronouns or acknowledging that the kid um as something that they aren't biologically um or legally for that matter, um, and without telling the parents, which of course is a huge faux pas.
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  And I think this was all I'm gonna be on my own little soapbox here for just a moment.
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  Um, I think this was a planned thing since the 60s because if you I have kids in school, I have kids in in public school, and honestly, I have never been so horrified in my life because I'm a pretty good hands-on parent, and I can't keep up because they hide things.
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  I don't even know where my kids um grades are, honestly, because I can't find them on their ridiculous computer systems.
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  Our kids are learning on computers, they don't bring books home, they don't study, they don't know how to study.
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  We have completely destroyed this upcoming generation because they don't know how to research anything except to ask Siri, Google it.
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  Now with AI, I don't even know if they even do some of their work or homework or read it or anything.
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  Um, and this is going to just lead to literally brain rot, as the way I look at it.
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  Um, there are tons of studies out there now that show that being in front of a computer actually does destroy white matter in a child, and it's very small amounts, and this is like mind-blowing to me, of course, because I tell my parents in my office, I still follow the old, are you ready for this?
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  American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines, which were pre-2020, which was said no more than two hours per week in front of an electronic device per week.
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  And then the debacle comes, and it's okay for the kids to be in front of these things for over eight hours a day.
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  It's absolutely disgusting.
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  We and I won't go on my soapbox with the AAP right now, but um, you know, they that is something that I think people that are trying to tell people common sense all of a sudden, our First Amendment right has been squashed, smooshed, thrown aside, ridiculed, you name it.
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  All right.
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  And so I know I just went on a little soapbox, but Kathleen, can you speak a little to what a MHP is doing to kind of bring awareness or teach other professionals, you know, in in the interim.
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  Sure.
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  Thank you so much for having us on today, uh, Dr.
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  Farella.
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  But the Association for Mental Health Professionals is an organization that got started approximately four years ago because we felt there were a number of us who felt disenfranchised, if you will, from the legacy associations, but more importantly, it exactly what you said in terms of like what is happening in our mental health field in terms of this whole thing post-COVID or during COVID is when everything got ramped up and everything got turned around upside down, sideways, right is wrong, wrong is right, that whole thing.
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  And it was just a crazy, crazy thing that nobody, nobody was acknowledging that something horrible is happening here, uh, not only in our field as mental health professionals, but the people that re we treat or try to treat, because now everybody's on um been given a diagnosis by some self-inventory on the technology, and it's very everybody has something, right?
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  Instead of wait, we have to work through it.
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  Critical thinking has been lost.
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  Um, we've been very much brainwashed in all areas.
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  And so the association for mental health professionals is really going back to the basics and focusing on three components mind, body, and spirit.
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  Having those three work together for the total recovery and total cure of whatever is is afflicting uh the people that I see when they come in the door.
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  Our target market is the counselor that wants to practice in a more holistic manner as opposed to the neck up give them another pill approach.
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  And the other uh leg of our two-legged stool, our target market is though those counselors.
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  The other leg is uh reclaiming the profession from the wokies.
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  I don't mind saying it, uh the the captured folks.
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  And that's why couldn't you do that through the legacy organizations is because they're promoting this stuff.
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  They're promoting as a lot of me and all that.
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  So for sure.
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  And they they also have out outside influences.
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  I mean, that I don't know, pick a subject, I don't care what the subject is.
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  But I mean, when you have an organization that's supposed to be representing professionals and they have outside influence based on money, which money makes the world go around, got it.
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  But when it actually starts to reshape what that vision was for that organization, um, you know, the AAP when I first joined way back in the day, um, really was an advocacy group for pediatricians to help their kids, you know, to help kids.
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  That's that's really what what my vision was for this.
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  And I left it in 2008 because their vision really, and that was back in 2008, believe it or not, um, became to be more invasive.
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  You know, getting, you know, sometimes I'm like, you know, people need to stay within their four walls, right?
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  And the AP was really trying to creep into people's homes and um really affect their lifestyle, which I I did not like at all.
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  And I wrote them a letter and I rescinded my fellowship there.
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  Um, and I haven't been a part of them since.
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  There's and and really as years go by, I just tend to get more and more horrified.
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  Um, you know, they have I don't even want to talk about, but they the things that are going on are just beyond what I can even fathom as helping a child.
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  So when we when we are talking about gender affirming care, um, you know, in our I think there's gonna be people in dark corners, and so I think you guys need to really talk to um that about.
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  You know, what are some of the signs or or something the red flags that a parent should look for when finding a counselor for their kiddo?
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  Well, I think the parents need to know, first of all, that Senate Bill 12 and Senate Bill 14 is promoting parenting.
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  And it also is telling them that this is now been um uh uh we're giving parents their power back.
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  Parents need to very much ask very simple questions, but very pointed questions about the therapists that they're taking their little child to.
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  I think it's as simple for a parent as checking out a uh potential counselor's website, see what's on there first, and if it's if it's uh a bit ambiguous or or not clear, you can call these people and then flat out you only need to ask them one question.
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  What's your position on gender-affirming care?
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  Yes, for minors for minors.
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  And if you don't get the right answer, move right along.
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  Move right along.
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  It really is that simple.
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  It is that simple.
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  Yeah, and I think one of the things that I think are um with barriers as we like to call them, um, is that some of these parents kind of get they're like, well, they're on my insurance, so I think it'll be okay.
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  I think I could probably navigate this, right?
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  And that assumes all counselors are the same.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  And I think that's part of the problem on our side too, is that some people will walk in and say, Okay, this is a pediatric practice.
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  I'm just gonna kind of eat what they scoop up.
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  And and that's that's not how we run at all.
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  We run completely polar opposite to that.
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  And um, you know, I think that's that's one of the things that people nowadays because they want instant gratification and they don't want to do the research.
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  Um, and of course, that's a generalization, but a lot of them are just gonna go.
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  Well, let me see what's on my insurance plan, and this can't be that bad.
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  And I think really you guys know this more than I do, but mental health has really deteriorated in children and adolescents in the last five years, um, due to the debacle and due to the manipulation of schools pushing parents out more and more and more.
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  And that's why we have this super upswing of homeschooling, which I think is amazing because I keep telling my homeschool population, you're like, you're gonna save the world.
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  Um, because I think we're so we're just we're just right.
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  Yeah.
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  The uh back to your question about uh what do parents look for?
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  Parents have to know, first of all, that in the state of Texas, for example, and by the way, our advocacy efforts at AMP are largely at the state level, just given the size and resources that we have.
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  There, they're done at the state level.
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  We have members from at least another 20 states, and what we're trying to do is create a model that somebody, a member in another state, can simply follow and do exactly what we just do what we did.
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  You have a licensing agency, somebody runs it, they have a board.
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  Do what we did, show up, speak up, and do your part and do what you can.
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  But uh recently, um, the two bills you've mentioned, Senate Bill 14 and Senate Bill 12.
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  Senate Bill 12 was directly aimed at the school system and charter schools, and it essentially it's a very length, well, it's 30 some odd pages long.
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  Um, but there's a very exhaustive list of rights that parents have that are not given back to them because they were never they never they always had them, but they they've been trampled.
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  And so it's a it's a uh reiteration of here's a list of rights that you have, which includes the right to consent, meaning a written piece of paper to things like uh, you know, your kids not going to sex ed class anymore unless there's a consent.
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  And we're not going to be teaching um aberrant alternative sexual models in school anymore.
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  Uh, or if you want your medical records, mental, physical, or other records, there needs to be written consent.
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  Um, the schools just can't run amok anymore.
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  So someone would literally have to sit down and either read the bill or read an article somewhere that that nicely sums things up.
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  Where would we find that coming to a blog post near you on the AMP website?
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  But um, yeah, that so Senate Bill 12 is aimed at the schools.
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  It it's a little fuzzy on the social transitioning.
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  It's not specific, I should say.
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  It's not specific about what can and can't happen in the uh clinical setting, a counselor's um room, but there are other things in existence, other code, other laws, other opinions that pretty much tie things up nice and tidy unless you believe in this ideology that's pushing this stuff and you refuse to give up, and then you can do the yeah, but thing all day long.
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  But yeah, but what about pronouns?
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  And what about calling them their opposite gender name?
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  And what about encouraging them to dress in in uh the other gender's clothing?
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  And what about chest binders and so forth?
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  Well, the intent, there's two things in Senate Bill actually, it's in Senate Bill 14, and it's uh very much so in Paxton's uh opinion, 0518 is the number uh that talk about intent and facilitation.
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  You can't facilitate, you can't move the the gender affirming process forward to to uh its logical conclusion, which is the physical transitioning.
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  So it says very specifically that counselors can't write the letters anymore, but it doesn't dive into the specifics about pronouns and this, that, and the other.
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  And so that's a gray area, but you got to ask yourself if as a counselor you cannot move somebody towards the physical transitioning anymore.
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  Why do you want a client?
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  Why are you doing this?
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  Why are you facilitating the gender-affirming care in an environment where you can't move forward with it?
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  It is just illogical.
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  It doesn't make sense.
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  The suggestion is if you know, encouraging pronouns is intentional and it is facilitating to the to going to the next level.
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  Right.
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  I was thinking last night about this uh a lot.
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  And well, but I can't write the letter, so I'm not facilitating.
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  Well, what you're doing is facilitating the gender process until the kid turns 18.
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  Then you can start cutting legally cutting body parts off.
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  What but one thing I don't think the that this is understood yet.
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  A counselor cannot today cannot refer this client to anyone else.
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  Now, first of all, why would why would a counselor who's specializing in trans kids?
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  Why would you refer that kid to another counselor who also um sort of specialized?
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  You're not gonna do that.
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  So that's not a problem.
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  But oh, you know what?
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  I can't write the letter in Texas anymore.
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  I'll refer you to somebody in pick a state, Arkansas, Colorado, that can write that.
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  No, it's illegal to refer.
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  That's that's good to know.
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  What are these letters entail?
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  We are back with Philip Grum and Kathleen Mills from the Association for Mental Health Professionals.
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  And we're really
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  Really getting into kind of sticky the icky of the conversation on gender affirming care and transitioning.
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  Um, this is stuff that you know people don't want to talk about anymore, or you know, at all.
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  I mean, really honestly, on our side of the it's it's just so gross that we can't even think about it as a as a as a normal thing, especially in children in children, you know, when when you and and there are stories out there that are super extreme that parents are refusing to acknowledge the biological birth of their child and saying no that we had the wrong kid or whatever, and really raising that kid.
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  That's a mental health issue as well, of course.
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  Um we also have you know, this pseudo um evaluation of not allowing kids to explore.
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  I mean, we know as a pediatrician, you know, that developmentally kids are going to be curious about the opposite sex and about the different um for lack of better term stereotypes that the opposite sex pays attention to.
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  And so, you know, people really kind of push it to the extreme where oh, you know, little Susie's playing with a car, so therefore she really wants to be Bobby.
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  Like that that's beyond ridiculous, or little Bobby is playing with um his sister's dolls, so therefore he wants to wear dresses, like the the if then statements that come out of people's mouths sometimes just really blow me away.
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  And you know, we know that that's exploratory behavior, that's normal behavior in kids.
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  That does not set them up for what they're gonna be for the rest of their life.
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  Um, kids go through phases, hence the terms tomboy, right?
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  For girls, they wanted to wear jeans and climb trees and you know, whatever they do.
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  Right.
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  I mean, I played baseball with my cousins all the time when I was young, and and um, and actually, I was a pretty darn good pitcher, just gonna put that out there.
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  Um, but you know, why is that such a big deal?
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  And of course, you know, I think some of that also stems from everyone has to have a trophy, right?
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  But you know, we know that biologically, um, it is not it's I hate to say it's not fair, but it isn't fair for biological males to participate in biological female activities and sports in particular, because really honestly, at the end of the day, women and men are very different biological creatures, and they should not be, you know, women should not have to compete with men, period, period.
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  I don't care what you know, in sports, that's an absolute dead stop for me.
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  It's just the most crushing.
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  I think it's really a crushing assault on female athletes.
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  That's my personal opinion.
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  Yes, this is the whole the whole idea that that girls need to be boys and boys need to be girls.
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  This is where we've come to, and we're having to have a conversation about going back to the basics and biologically, we are made different.
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  We are different creatures.
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  We need each other not to be the other guy, you know, and it's insane that we're even having this conversation, but we're having to have this conversation.
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  There are definite biological roles.
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  There's definitely biological roles.
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  It this science doesn't lie.
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  You can't change your DNA just because you've had body parts reconstructed or puberty blockers for crying out loud.
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  And so the whole ideology that has been um this contagion ideology that has been breeding since for sure 2020 during COVID.
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  I think that's Angie, when it that's when it just gas on the fire full speed ahead.
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  And here we are having to talk about um, you know, stuff like this, and then you you pile on the uh notion of um, you know our mental health counselors, actual health care providers, and this is coming from the legacy associations that are trying to bypass and excuse themselves from this woke ideology that they're teaching college academia kids that gender affirming care for minors is a is is legit.
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  Well, they're trying to bypass having to reverse their positions, what they're doing.
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  Yes, and so the letter writing it comes from the mental health professional, and so the whole thing with in Texas at least is um we finally got somebody on the attorney general's uh office that finally it came out and put the definition of child abuse, which in 2022, Texas said gender affirming care for minors is child abuse, meets the definition, period.
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  And then you had the Senate Bill 12 and the Senate Bill 14, and then we tackled uh AMP did.
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  Um, is the letter writing considered part of the gender affirming care process?
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  Our mental health professionals, health care providers.
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  I mean, it's silly that we're having to talk about this, but here we are.
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  It is it's a it's a wild ride.
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  And you know, when you have especially in nowadays, right?
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  What we're if we're gonna use some of the statistics that you know, autism's on the rise.
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  And of course, I'm the big social autism girl.
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  I talk about this all the time.
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  If you hide a kid behind a screen and they become, you know, keyboard warriors, they can become whatever they want, and then that really just kind of cycles into their psyche, and then they that's who they become, right?
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  And if they're not around norms, social norms, they don't become quote unquote normal.
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  And so we think that persona applies in real life, absolutely, and then we have um adults that just kind of brush it off and go, well, it's a phase, or well, they don't understand um that some of this stuff is really so damaging, deep down damaging to these kiddos, and really they these kids are screaming for, hey, can someone like direct me in the right direction?
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  Um instead, I think a lot of people are just staying quiet because like teachers are staying quite, they just want to stay out of it, you know.
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  They may, and and the only ones that scream loud enough are usually the ones that are affirming this nonsense that because we just think you know, live and let live and not only live and let live, but they'll grow out of it, they'll see that it's different, but not anymore.
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  I mean, pre-2020, they may, you know, a lot of these kiddos kind of saw the light, right?
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  Because they weren't so influenced by influencers, so to speak.
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  I mean, look what happened to Bud Light.
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  Look at Bud Weiser, look what happened.
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  So, what does that tell you?
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  That tells you that the vast majority of Americans do not agree with this.
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  Okay.
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  When you get a bunch of redneck guys that slug Bud Light to stop drinking their favorite beer, you've made a statement, right?
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  So this is not something that is just coming from, you know, a fringe group of ultra, as they like to call ultra-right, conservative, evangelical people.
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  This is like coming from the middle.
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  I consider myself a middle person.
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  I think that we should restore the family.
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  I, you know, I'm a faith-based person too, but you know what?
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  I'm okay if you don't want to go to church.
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  I'm okay, but you know what?
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  There are social norms, there are certain social um parameters that we should all follow, just to be civil human beings.
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  There have to be, otherwise, you don't have a society.
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  Right.
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  It's called chaos.
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  Yes, yes.
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  This is all been percolating and cooking since the 30s.
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  This is this goes way back, and it goes beyond that, but I'll spare you.
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  But it does go back.
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  Um, I mean, we you and I, we all grew up with uh oh, what was that?
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  The one of the very first people that publicly had the surgery, Renee, something name escapes me, but but then Bruce Jenner did it.
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  Yep, and it's like one off crazy stuff, but this whole subject is like an iceberg.
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  Most of it's below the water line.
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  It's only in the last 10, 15 years that it's poked its ugly head above the water line, and and they have tactics, you know, you'll shame you into submission and and shame you into quiet until and the thing's growing, it's metastasizing as you're being shamed and quiet, but that that's that's past.
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  We're speaking up.
• 28:55
  You know, in the counselor community, the legacy associations are pushing this stuff on top of the, you know, on top of the counselors, and there's a big huge um uh awakening, I think, uh, with some counselors who are deleting their memberships from these legacy associations because they just woke up and found out who they really are.
• 29:18
  Now, the problem with that is they're not they're not being as bold as maybe I would be, they're just being very quiet, Angie.
• 29:27
  And so another reason why we did start AMP is to bring those people to more of a give them a home, give them a home and and give them permission that to use their voice, their advocacy on the things that we all know there is a right and there is a wrong, and it has nothing to do with faith based.
• 29:51
  I'm a conservative or a lit, there's there's norms, social norms, and the gender affirming care has permeated.
• 30:00
  Throughout these legacies have been allowed to, and nobody has pushed back.
• 30:05
  Well, we did.
• 30:07
  We are.
• 30:08
  And we are.
• 30:09
  And we are willing so much.
• 30:12
  And you know, you don't have to be, you don't have to be one of the kids that speaks up and puts a target on their back and so forth.
• 30:18
  There's plenty of us that'll do that.
• 30:19
  You can vote with your wallet, and that is quite sufficient.
• 30:23
  Right.
• 30:23
  Yeah.
• 30:24
  That I mean, that has been shown over and over again, right?
• 30:28
  I mean, we we have to, I think too, we we have to kind of readdress what is normal in schools, even because the public school system is in the toilet as far as I'm a disaster.
• 30:42
  Um it is an absolute disaster in the state of Texas.
• 30:44
  We're numbered like last I checked, I think we're number 47 or something, 46 for I mean, we're bad.
• 30:50
  We are bad, bad, bad.
• 30:52
  And um, and I can see it with my own kiddo.
• 30:55
  I mean, I've really we homeschooled for eight years and then 2020 came, and unfortunately, they were actually in a transition year going into high school and middle school, and we allowed it, which worst decision we ever made.
• 31:06
  We tried to pull them out again, and um we you know, we're still doing it actually.
• 31:14
  We just don't understand why we understand the the peer pressure of the kids, you know.
• 31:20
  My kids really want to be in a school, they just don't want to, they quote unquote don't want to be different because that was fed to them by public school kids telling them that they're gonna be weird because they're homeschooled, which is ridiculous.
• 31:32
  It was like the like I said, it was terrible what we did.
• 31:36
  Um, and we as parents suck it up for that, right?
• 31:40
  But at the same time, this is there are some parents that really don't have the luxury of homeschooling their kids or having the affordability of putting their kids into a private school or a school that's more like-minded to their to their social norm.
• 31:53
  And um, there's a lot of this stuff hiding.
• 31:56
  And so right now, this is just an observation on my side is that the schools care more about attendance because of that is attached to money than they care about the three Rs.
• 32:06
  The product they're putting out.
• 32:07
  Great.
• 32:08
  And and they care more about the socialization because you know, all I see from my schools, and this is a high school is like, oh, where we're gonna have this big festival family, you know, family-oriented festival on, you know, they're my kids aren't in school today.
• 32:24
  Why?
• 32:24
  They just had spring break.
• 32:26
  They went to school for four days and there's no school today.
• 32:29
  For what reason?
• 32:30
  I have no idea, right?
• 32:31
  This is kind of what I'm saying.
• 32:33
  Like, this is a manipulation that looks innocent, but it's really not.
• 32:39
  It's really not.
• 32:40
  And these are things that, you know, they're like, look at me, look at me, but we're actually doing this over here.
• 32:46
  Right?
• 32:46
  The distraction.
• 32:48
  This is the same as what I see with the gender affirming care thing is they say, oh, yeah, we're we're gonna we're gonna be okay with you know, send a bill 12, send Bill 14.
• 32:59
  But what we're gonna do is we're just not gonna call it that.
• 33:03
  Right, right.
• 33:04
  There's stuff on tape where there are unfortunately counselors that are telling them, well, we we can't really say that we're doing that.
• 33:13
  So we're gonna put you in this program, and they just rename it into something different to make it sound innocuous.
• 33:20
  Yeah, you know, one of the things about passing bills.
• 33:23
  Oh, we passed a law, the world is all shiny and fuzzy again.
• 33:27
  No, passing a law just makes it illegal.
• 33:29
  You're not gonna get the people.
• 33:30
  You can pass a law that outlaws bank robbing, but that doesn't mean that all bank robbers are gonna adhere to it.
• 33:37
  So enforcement enforcement is the next step.
• 33:39
  And and the people that need to to be following the laws that are going to break them, or they'll do all kinds of things like rename stuff.
• 33:48
  Um, case notes.
• 33:51
  They'll do whatever they can to squirrel around it, and then that'll get dealt with in the enforcement step.
• 33:56
  I think the thing that that bothers most rational people is the realization when they come to it and the light bulb goes on that there is 127 different battles to be won here before sanity is reclaimed.
• 34:12
  And the realization that you cannot mentally or physically participate in all 127 of them.
• 34:19
  And the solution to that is thank God there are enough people in the world that you don't have to fight all 127 of those battles yourself.
• 34:28
  I'm gonna let that group of people over there fight that battle because I've picked the reclamation of the mental health profession as my battle and the things that are directly related to that.
• 34:40
  If you want to fight the Muslim takeover of America, by God, you've got my support.
• 34:46
  I can't physically, financially, or mentally participate with you, but I'm I'm there.
• 34:53
  There's a group of people that will fight that fight, and I'll do what I can, but I've got my my front, and there's I just made up 127, but there's countless different battles to be won at all levels.
• 35:06
  Education's one of them.
• 35:07
  The the various pick your profession.
• 35:10
  They're all they're all having problems.
• 35:13
  This whole ideology has had 70 years to metastasize into everything you can imagine, and it's gonna take a while to get rid of it, pick your battle, get in with both feet, and don't worry about not doing enough on other fronts.
• 35:28
  There are people, there's enough of us in America.
• 35:31
  We can handle this, we will get it done.
• 35:33
  And then finding those people is super important.
• 35:37
  You know, finding the physicians, finding other counselors, finding other school teachers who don't, you know, and having that be your base group or new associations that really have your back.
• 35:48
  It's community, finding like-minded people.
• 35:51
  We've been disinfranchised for such a long time.
• 35:54
  It only takes one or two people to organize, correct.
• 35:58
  Because you you don't need in a group of a hundred people, you don't need a hundred leaders.
• 36:02
  No, that's called chaos.
• 36:04
  You need two or three leaders that can work together, and then you need 97 people that are willing to help you execute.
• 36:13
  Did I mention before we're done that Angie's one of our speakers at our October conference?
• 36:18
  October 1st second.
• 36:20
  Okay.
• 36:20
  Just want to make sure I threw that in.
• 36:23
  I don't think she threw that in.
• 36:25
  Well, I guess.
• 36:26
  I did not.
• 36:27
  I did not.
• 36:28
  But we we will we yeah, I mean, I've really encouraged people to come to this because I, you know, in October, when we meet, it is going to be a very uh safe space, you know, for for those from either side.
• 36:42
  I honestly I welcome the other side to that is open to a conversation.
• 36:48
  I'm not saying, you know, Montoff cocktails, I'm talking about conversation.
• 36:53
  There, one of the things that I was so disappointed about in 2020 is that doctors stopped having conversations.
• 36:59
  That was a huge, huge thing with me.
• 37:01
  I was like, what happened to the sidewalk consult, right?
• 37:04
  And um, we'll get into a little bit of that in our next segment.
• 37:08
  But you know, this is this is really a great topic that um and this podcast is something that our listeners can actually send to their friends.
• 37:19
  Maybe they don't want to have the uncomfortable conversation, but this is something that they can kind of point people to.
• 37:24
  Um, and and let the kids listen to this.
• 37:27
  I really think it's important that the teenagers hear this.
• 37:30
  They hear all kinds of junk on their devices.
• 37:35
  I have kids, I know this.
• 37:37
  Um, there is no reason why this is not one of those subjects that they should be able to do.
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  We're back with um with Kathleen Mills and Philip Crump.
• 39:30
  I love these people.
• 39:31
  We have such a good time together.
• 39:33
  And even though it seems that a lot of people will think, you know, doctors and counselors, we, you know, I'm more of a I told them I'm I'm a shoot from the hip kind of girl.
• 39:44
  I'm not gonna be all warm and fuzzy.
• 39:45
  And um, they think that's pretty funny.
• 39:47
  Um, because that's how I think of counselors is these warm, fuzzy people.
• 39:51
  Oh, we're gonna we're gonna make this nice.
• 39:53
  Yeah, I'm I'm kind of the reality breaker, like smack you in the head type thing.
• 39:57
  Um, that's how I grew up.
• 39:59
  That's kind of
• 40:00
  How what I'm made of, but you know what?
• 40:01
  We need both kinds in this world.
• 40:03
  Um boy background, right there.
• 40:05
  That's right.
• 40:05
  Well, yeah, but I was honest fruit fruit.
• 40:07
  I was actually kind of fruit fruit, but as a kid, yeah.
• 40:11
  I mean, I did my tomboy thing, but you know, really, I was more along the fruit stuff.
• 40:15
  Um, I don't cook though, so just in case, you know, if anyone thinks that's like a stereotype, my my husband is the best cook on the planet.
• 40:23
  I am pretty hard.
• 40:24
  I could I could burn water, honestly.
• 40:26
  So my cooking's a girls thing.
• 40:28
  Did anybody call him a sissy?
• 40:30
  Yeah, no.
• 40:31
  I I dare them, I dare them.
• 40:35
  Red Red Texan, go for it.
• 40:37
  There you go.
• 40:38
  Excellent.
• 40:39
  He is very comfortable.
• 40:42
  Stirring that chili with a bud light in the other hand.
• 40:44
  No, no body anymore.
• 40:46
  Sorry, no butt light.
• 40:47
  He has boycotted but there is, you know, we've got these stereotypes, and you know, just the whole like find your talents, find your gifts, go for it.
• 41:00
  You don't have to come to surgery, you know.
• 41:02
  My girls actually are pretty good welders, isn't that crazy?
• 41:06
  I think also yeah, my daughter's learned how to weld.
• 41:09
  So um just in case anyone wants to know that.
• 41:14
  Um, but that you know, my husband claims he gets estrogen poisoning because we have three daughters, but honestly, at the end of the day, we raise them to be humans, yes, and you know, like they can go and hunt and fish and you know, whatever, but they also can go and put makeup on and put the fancy dresses on and do the frufu thing, right?
• 41:38
  Well, you don't have to be a militant feminist to be uh self-sufficient, absolutely just because you know how to you might know how to change a tire doesn't mean that all men are bad, correct and they do beliefs that are oh my god, get me started.
• 41:50
  Yeah, I mean, I think um, yeah, there's a there's there's that too.
• 41:56
  And my daughters actually complain because they do know how to change their oil in their car, and they don't want to do it.
• 42:02
  Um they know how to do it.
• 42:05
  That's right.
• 42:06
  You know, my husband was such a plethora of um just common sense self-sufficiency, teaching the girls that you know, I don't want you to stand on the side of the road and cry.
• 42:16
  I want you to be able to do things, you know, and and survive, you know.
• 42:20
  This is this is a cruel world, and and we're just in it, so we're gonna have to figure it out.
• 42:24
  Um, and the and the same.
• 42:26
  I say I say this all the time.
• 42:28
  People probably may or may not remember, but my mother was a Holocaust survivor, she was a child POW, and so there's a lot of touch points that are coming up now that she had told me about in the 70s and 80s.
• 42:42
  That of course I was young, so I didn't really understand it.
• 42:45
  But the whole child trafficking thing, the whole I mean, they were stealing kids out of concentration camps in the 50s because these people had no papers, they had no they had no recollection of they weren't going back to their homeland because there was no homeland to go back to in some cases, like my mom and her family, so they would hide her.
• 43:03
  I mean, they literally would hide kids, um, because these these people would come into these camps and just you know, the kids were for the taking and they would take the kids.
• 43:12
  So um, that's a you know, that is something too that I think a lot of people have to understand that our value system here in the United States is vastly different than Europe and vastly different from other countries around the world, and we have our culture because we are our culture.
• 43:31
  We have we have polluted our culture because of you know, so freedom is a it's kind of a catch 22, right?
• 43:38
  I mean, we one of the things that we love about freedom is that we can exercise our right to speak, our right to do things, um, our right to criticize our government without major repercussions, but on the flip side, it also allows for this um very perverse um mental attitude and manipulation of normalcy and quote unquote whatever that means, right?
• 44:05
  What is normal?
• 44:06
  And so we we're kind of caught in that catch 22 as Americans.
• 44:13
  Yeah, I remember growing up in the 60s, 70s, and 80s and wondering out loud to myself.
• 44:20
  Why does everybody why does everybody hate America?
• 44:25
  I didn't have I never didn't know the answer, but why does everybody hate America?
• 44:28
  And that dichotomy you just mentioned, doc, is even worse in uh third world countries.
• 44:35
  Yes, their value system is so diametrically opposed to what we believe, you know.
• 44:39
  Ours is based on uh a light society based on trust, theirs is not based on trust, theirs is based on get what you can get uh at all costs, and when you import them, I'm off on a tangent.
• 44:53
  But when you import the that mentality into our world, which is a high trust society, you get chaos, you get what we have now.
• 45:02
  Exactly.
• 45:03
  Yeah, we we've forgotten that um what our culture really is, and we've I'm okay with people's you know, living in I use the old terminology, right?
• 45:14
  Ghettos, ghettos.
• 45:15
  If you actually look at the Webster definition, it's people of like culture and whatever living within a small community.
• 45:22
  But on the outside, if you even even when you look at those ethnicities, the important part in America is that you assimilate to be an American, right?
• 45:31
  You have to assimilate.
• 45:32
  My mother came to this country literally not knowing English, but no one spoke her language, she was a polyglot, she you know, learned different languages, and um the Americans made the Germans teach the children in schools, so she actually was fluent reading, writing in and speaking German um when she came here, even though that's not that's not our heritage at all.
• 45:56
  Um, but when she came here, she couldn't wait to be an American.
• 45:59
  She had a Brooklyn accent.
• 46:01
  You would never know that my mother was not born on the soil.
• 46:04
  She assimilated and her family assimilated as much as they could to be Americans, they were proud to be American, they were the ugly Americans.
• 46:11
  When we went traveling, I would tell my mom, they're not deaf mom, they just don't speak English, you know, because she'd be like, In America, and I would I would have to remind her, like, mom, hey, you know what?
• 46:25
  You're not even I mean, technically you're an American because she was naturalized, but I was like, You're not you weren't born in America.
• 46:31
  She goes, I don't care.
• 46:32
  America's the best country in the world, you know.
• 46:34
  And that's that's the kind of immigrant you want.
• 46:37
  You want that person to be like land of opportunity, we are here.
• 46:41
  My mother was like, never forget, never forget where you came from, never forget.
• 46:44
  I mean, she must have said never forget to me about a thousand times in one year.
• 46:48
  You want you want immigrants who are here for the opportunity, not for the benefits.
• 46:53
  Absolutely, and I think they're getting manipulated.
• 46:56
  I mean, I've I've heard um there were some stories out a couple of years ago where um someone from another country sent their kid over here to be educated and in a college, and the college uh the college system was so warped that they actually told the child they had to come back to their country to protect them, and it was because of this gender ideology.
• 47:21
  Um, you know, that they were convincing their child that they weren't what they were, right?
• 47:27
  Um, and and to the point where the family came here, picked their kid up and brought them back to their origin country because they said something's really wrong in America now.
• 47:35
  Well, there's there's even stories, you know, Dr.
• 47:38
  Farella of that happening in junior high and high school here in Texas.
• 47:44
  Oh, sure.
• 47:44
  The the families having to move out of pick a pick an ISD.
• 47:50
  Um, because the woke agenda was so ingrained in every the everyday classes.
• 47:57
  I mean, I don't even know how that's possible, but it happened, and they had to move to a different state, and it took their daughter about six months, and she she became herself again.
• 48:12
  Yeah, I mean, it's that bad.
• 48:15
  It is so parents taking up your power now is gonna be crucial to protecting your child while giving them a good history of what founded this country and keep it going.
• 48:27
  You know, we you know, kids don't have the history anymore, they're not taught history like you and I were.
• 48:34
  Um, and it certainly isn't on television, you know, that you can go watch all the world war two stuff.
• 48:40
  I mean, oh my gosh.
• 48:42
  Um, but that's we don't talk about that, we don't talk about freedom, we don't talk about the US constitution, we don't talk about anything, and you've gotta wonder if that has had an impact on parents, not parenting because they don't have any power.
• 48:56
  Well, Senate Bill 12 and Senate Bill 14 has restored your parenting power here in Texas.
• 49:02
  And in fact, here's something you can do on the advocacy level if you're a parent or or a counselor if you're anybody.
• 49:08
  Um, if you cross paths with a counselor who is openly yes, pushing this stuff still, yes, even though it's illegal, yep.
• 49:16
  You can play a part, all you have to do is go to the attorney general's website, find the little page where you can report them for that.
• 49:23
  Yes, and that will get it started.
• 49:26
  That'll be the extent they have the authority and the power to follow up and check out and see what's going on.
• 49:32
  They have um what's the three dollar word, but punitive power, they can put a stop to it and they will, but they have to know about it first, right?
• 49:41
  And that's not ratting out on uh calling in a bank robbery and process is not ratting out on anybody.
• 49:48
  About your sweet child, yeah, you know, who's innocent in nature, who has been dumbed down and not curious to think for themselves.
• 49:56
  We are their protectors, period.
• 49:58
  Hard stop.
• 49:59
  That's
• 50:00
  That's it.
• 50:00
  I'm not a counselor.
• 50:01
  My skin in the game.
• 50:02
  I'm Joe Citizen.
• 50:03
  I have six grandkids and I don't have any to spare.
• 50:07
  I don't want somebody getting a hold of them.
• 50:09
  Yes.
• 50:10
  Of course.
• 50:10
  I think I think that's a that is something that um, you know, there's so many little pieces of our society and our culture and that have been chipped away that we have to restore.
• 50:22
  I mean, one of the and I'm seeing it.
• 50:26
  I know we're winning.
• 50:27
  We're silently winning, right?
• 50:30
  I was recently appointed to a national committee, and um a judge now has put an injunction, so we're not allowed to meet, which is ridiculous, but whatever.
• 50:39
  So we're gonna we're gonna find these barriers and obstacles because people still don't want us.
• 50:44
  There are people that are against us that don't want us to speak, don't want us to exercise this, don't want us to protect the American people.
• 50:51
  In our in my case, it's children.
• 50:53
  Um, you know, they don't want this, and we're going to, it's not going to be a cakewalk, people.
• 50:59
  No, the attorney general the attorney general has enforcement powers is the word I was looking for.
• 51:05
  We're in a giant game of whack-a-mole.
• 51:07
  And the guy with the baton is the bad guy.
• 51:10
  And when somebody stands up, he's gonna try and smack us back down.
• 51:13
  But if all those little moles stand up at the same time, he's he's out of business.
• 51:18
  That's what we need to do.
• 51:19
  Enough of us stand up.
• 51:20
  It doesn't take a hundred percent of America to stand up, it takes about three percent of us to stand up and fight back, and their house of cards, which is built on sand, comes ripping down.
• 51:30
  And it is it is it's it's coming down.
• 51:33
  I'm seeing it.
• 51:34
  I'm seeing it a lot, and I think we're just going to have to love people through where they are.
• 51:40
  I mean, honestly, I I really believe that there are some people that are really confused, really upset, really uh have trauma.
• 51:48
  Um, we have you know, an autism issue that you know, I guess it depends on how you look at the numbers because that's another thing that I'm personally that's my little banner to wave.
• 52:02
  Um, is really to try to help these kids um be functional human beings within the spectrum of of where who they are and what they are and built to their strength, right?
• 52:12
  That's but that's for everybody.
• 52:13
  That's not just for those kids, it's for all of the kids.
• 52:16
  And we just have to learn as um we're adapting, right?
• 52:22
  Because we're doing the zig and the zag as well.
• 52:24
  We we are we're trying to figure it out too to try to bring back whatever you want to quote unquote call normal.
• 52:31
  Um, we're trying to bring that back, which I keep calling common sense, like common sense is no longer common, and but I think it's common, it's just buried.
• 52:40
  I think there's a lot of people that are just that are going to be quiet until they're comfortable, and we are okay being loud while we're uncomfortable, and I think that's the difference between and those quiet, comfortable people.
• 52:56
  I don't need them to shout me out or shout me down.
• 53:00
  I need them to just stand next to me and show me that they are also part of the front to protect our kids, protect our families, protect our nation.
• 53:09
  That that's that's it.
• 53:11
  I'm I'm pretty simple.
• 53:12
  I try to keep it really simple.
• 53:14
  And with this gender affirming care, you know, it had crept in so deep that even on the uh electronic medical record, I did not even realize this until it was brought to my attention.
• 53:27
  Um that the electric medical record that I was using said legal sex, not biological sex.
• 53:33
  I had no idea that they stuck a word in front of the word sex, and um, it wasn't until I actually did a deep dive on my EHR that I found it.
• 53:43
  And um, you know, legal legal sex can be changed, biological cannot.
• 53:50
  And I don't, you know, as a physician, it it was driving me crazy that I could not believe that they could even put this in an electronic medical record.
• 54:00
  And that's a product, that's a product aimed at physicians.
• 54:05
  I mean, all doctors care providers insurance have to take have to use an EHR.
• 54:10
  All right, right.
• 54:11
  If you want to be paid by an insurance company, you have to take that, which you know, there's a lot of people now that are saying we're done, like this is manipulation to the nth degree, and we're moving on from this.
• 54:23
  And and that's that's a whole nother debate.
• 54:25
  Yeah, well, and we're at the very beginning stages of uh pushback for what you just talked about.
• 54:34
  There was I read it just this week.
• 54:35
  There's a I don't remember which state it is.
• 54:37
  It's a Midwest state, Kansas, Missouri, one of those states that just passed a law that said your driver's license has to reflect your biological gen sex, has to reflect your biological sex.
• 54:51
  And if you have a driver's license that reflects something other than that, it's void.
• 54:57
  There's like 1700 driver's licenses in this state were voided overnight.
• 55:02
  Of course, they're fussing well, Texas fighting back.
• 55:05
  Texas has has that.
• 55:07
  Do we?
• 55:08
  Yes.
• 55:09
  Awesome.
• 55:10
  Yeah, it's um I'm pretty sure.
• 55:12
  The tide's turning.
• 55:13
  Yeah, and people don't realize it's not because we're trying to be mean or ugly or you know, push people into our way of length.
• 55:19
  For for me, it's it is an actual medical dilemma.
• 55:23
  Because if we think we're treating one sex, there are differences, there are biological differences.
• 55:29
  And if we don't know what we're treating when they walk in the door, it's gonna be kind of an ugly find out.
• 55:35
  So well, guys, it has been such an amazing day.
• 55:39
  Thank you so much for coming on.
• 55:41
  We we touched on a very sticky subject, but I think it's something that people need to um hear, even though it's not something that everyone wants to hear.
• 55:51
  But you know, if you want to know more about AMP, can you guys just shout out your website and how people can find you?
• 56:00
  The website is association for mental health professionals.org.
• 56:05
  I know it's a long one.
• 56:06
  I tried to find a shorter version.
• 56:07
  There isn't one.
• 56:08
  It's spelled just exactly like it sounds.
• 56:11
  Association for mental health professionals dot or game about our upcoming conference is right there in the navigation bar under events, and uh, so is information about our podcast, which is called uh therapy disruptors.
• 56:26
  That's right, therapy disruptors.
• 56:28
  That's available uh not only on Spotify and a couple of other platforms, but also for members who get CE credit for listening to the podcast.
• 56:36
  Who knew?
• 56:37
  Who knew?
• 56:38
  That's awesome.
• 56:39
  Thank you so much, guys.
• 56:40
  You have a wonderful rest of your day.
• 56:42
  I appreciate you so much.
• 56:43
  Thank you.