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Julia Beverly Interview · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Real people, real celebrity joined the Breakfast. Yeah, it's the
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Speaker 1: world most dangerous morning to show the Breakfast Club Charlomagne
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Speaker 1: and God Angelie. And he's still in Vegas. Yes he
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Speaker 1: is Jesus Christ. He's living a life God bless. I
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Speaker 1: want to see his check. We have a Julia Beverly Hill,
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Speaker 1: a former publisher of Ozone. Now he was more than
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Speaker 1: a publisher of oz On Maga. Wasn't the publisher, he
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Speaker 1: was the owner of oz ONWN magazine. I was the owner, publisher, editor, photographer, money,
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Speaker 1: advertising director. Yeah, I mean we had for a minute. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Charlomagne used to do a monthly column called the Chin Check. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it was very informative. Actually did he get paid? Man?
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Speaker 1: But it was good. Yeah, we hadn't arranged. I think
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Speaker 1: Olson was huge because there was no World Star and
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Speaker 1: all that stuff back then. The only way to get
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Speaker 1: to know about sovereign wrappers through Oldzone magazine. Even I
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Speaker 1: read Ozone magazine. I grew up in Brooklyn and I
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Speaker 1: was I was into it. But you know, my favorite
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Speaker 1: party was always group because fashions. I bet, I bet.
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Speaker 1: I used to be some lip service. We did some
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Speaker 1: lip service interviews. Yeah, I was actually in those magazine
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Speaker 1: a couple of times lip service when I used to
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Speaker 1: do that. You know, Angelo was one of the first
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Speaker 1: people in New York really too. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: say embrace the South, but I just felt like she
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Speaker 1: treated us like people human, yeah, rather than you know,
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Speaker 1: you'd always get good that attitude from people in New York, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: y'all are not part of us. Yeah. I think part
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Speaker 1: of it was being on satellite radio though, because satellite
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Speaker 1: radio wasn't just regional, it was you know, nationwide. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's true too, so I got to hear a lot
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Speaker 1: of different things from all over. But I've always liked
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Speaker 1: music from other places besides New York too, Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: just in general, like you go all over the country.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying this because I'm on the show,
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Speaker 1: but you were really one of the first people like
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Speaker 1: in New York to really like embrace people from other
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Speaker 1: parts of the country as far as a music business,
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Speaker 1: and me and Julia was always cool. Now a lot
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Speaker 1: of people used to be like, oh, Julia is so dry.
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Speaker 1: I try to be nice to her. She always acts
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Speaker 1: like she don't know me every time she sees me,
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Speaker 1: you know how girls me, Yeah, we get very offendive.
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Speaker 1: I get that, you know, but it's it's funny because like,
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Speaker 1: once you get in a certain posh people expect you
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Speaker 1: to be very like outgoing and happy and friendly, and
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Speaker 1: that's never been my personality. Like I am very I
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Speaker 1: have like a drive since the humor. So when people,
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Speaker 1: like somebody came to the in store the other day
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Speaker 1: that we did and she was like like literally crying
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Speaker 1: to like meet me, that she was excited to meet me,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, you're excited to meet me? Like
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Speaker 1: for real, like Julia Beverley, I'm like, I'm just now
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Speaker 1: where you're dressed at because you're dressed up today and
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Speaker 1: I'm not used to seeing you like this. Angela always
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Speaker 1: teases me because I'm always the one in the club
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Speaker 1: in the jeans and the sneakers, and you know, Angel's
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Speaker 1: got the shoe game on points, so she always wants
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Speaker 1: me to go shoe shopping and step it up. So actually,
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Speaker 1: like what your camera taking pictures? Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly,
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Speaker 1: And you can't when you're in heels and a dress,
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Speaker 1: like you can't maneuver the way you Like I'm at
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Speaker 1: a concert, I'm like taking pictures and I'm like hopping
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Speaker 1: on speakers, and you know you can't really maneuver the
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Speaker 1: way that you that you wouldn't will come to me close.
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Speaker 1: What made you all want to do a magazine focused
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Speaker 1: solely on down South hip? Like? What made you say
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Speaker 1: this is what I want? It really wasn't a decision. Initially,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a photographer, so I would look
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Speaker 1: in like Vibe and the Source and I'd be like,
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Speaker 1: who how do they get these jobs? Like how do
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Speaker 1: you get a job going to a concert and taking
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Speaker 1: pictures that looks like fun? So at first Ozone was
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Speaker 1: going to be like my portfolio to take to other magazines.
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Speaker 1: And at the time when I started doing Ozone, that's
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Speaker 1: when you had the Rick Rosses, the Thugs, the Jeezys,
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Speaker 1: Like there was a real movement building. And I would
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Speaker 1: go to all these cities with the magazine and I'd
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Speaker 1: be like, how is nobody seeing this? Like? Why am
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Speaker 1: I the only everybody? Ozone? Yeah, we really had a
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Speaker 1: great run. We did eight years two thousand and two
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Speaker 1: to twenty ten. It was a monthly publication ozonemag dot
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Speaker 1: com and it just took off. I mean, we were
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Speaker 1: really just in the right place at the right time, because,
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Speaker 1: like if you look back at the very first issues
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Speaker 1: we did were more like all genres of music we did,
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Speaker 1: like reggaetone, Latino music because it Orlando's very heavily focused
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Speaker 1: on that. But um, as it grew, that's when the
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Speaker 1: South was really taking off. So we were just kind
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Speaker 1: of naturally covering what was that comes into play exactly exactly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, people you actually knew were cool. Yeah, we
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Speaker 1: were friends. Um he told me one time. I was
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Speaker 1: I was the only journalist he talked to. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he did some great interviews with a few other people,
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Speaker 1: but he in general, he didn't really like doing interviews
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Speaker 1: because he felt like he had been you know, misquoted
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Speaker 1: or people didn't really understand him. And so we kind
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Speaker 1: of gave him like kind of how Charlotmagne did the column,
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Speaker 1: like he was doing a month's column, Like we gave
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Speaker 1: him a platform to just say whatever he wanted to say,
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Speaker 1: and we didn't edit it, we didn't censor it or
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Speaker 1: anything like that. So I think he appreciated that. And
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Speaker 1: this is Pimpsy's son right here by the way, shout
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Speaker 1: out the core just so you know, so you guys,
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Speaker 1: it's not her security. I was like, damn, I knew
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Speaker 1: Julia like black guys, that are right, you can't tell
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Speaker 1: us Sonny he kind of a favor now. He definitely
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Speaker 1: looked like him. Now let's talk about this book though,
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Speaker 1: because I posted a picture, I was excited to get
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Speaker 1: it early. And congratulations on you. I know this too.
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Speaker 1: You're a long time to do. You couldn't even get
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Speaker 1: a publisher to do the But for you, you did
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Speaker 1: everything yourself. Why couldn't you get a publisher for a book?
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Speaker 1: That's a great question. I mean I I approached publishers.
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Speaker 1: I talked to book agents when I first initially decided
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Speaker 1: to do the project, and they would just be like,
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Speaker 1: who is pimp C Like maybe my book proposal wasn't
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Speaker 1: good enough. I don't know, but I didn't get much interest,
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Speaker 1: if any, And I think they just don't understand, you know,
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Speaker 1: the way that um, the way that a New Yorker
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Speaker 1: might react like to a jay Z. That's the way
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Speaker 1: someone in Texas would react to it, what I see,
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Speaker 1: And but they don't know that if they're not there.
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Speaker 1: So if you're not in Texas or you're not in
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Speaker 1: the South, like you may not understand. Like I knew
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Speaker 1: from doing Ozone, people love to read about Pimsel, like
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Speaker 1: even jay Z. I mean, I knew there was an
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Speaker 1: audience for it, but I wasn't finding anyone really who
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Speaker 1: understood that. So I got to a certain point in
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Speaker 1: the project and I said, I'm just gonna do it myself.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's I said, what would pimp do? Pimp
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Speaker 1: would have just done Kim, Yeah, what would pimp do? Now? Why?
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Speaker 1: Seven hundred pages? And it's definitely on my last three
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Speaker 1: because I do enjoy reading. I'm glad you've seen it
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Speaker 1: to me early. But his seven Corey was born around
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Speaker 1: page you know. I tried to trim it down. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it really is. I've had people say that they were
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Speaker 1: able to get through it quickly because it's an easy read.
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Speaker 1: It's not like, yeah, it's not a hard it's not
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Speaker 1: a hard read. I tried to write it like almost
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Speaker 1: like a movie script, so you're going from like scene
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Speaker 1: to scene and you're kind of following the story. So
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Speaker 1: it's not a dry, you know, textbook. But um, at
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Speaker 1: first at the very beginning with his mom. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: really based around his mom basically narrated the book for me,
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Speaker 1: and his mom was awesome. She she passed away unexpectedly
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Speaker 1: before we could actually put the book out, but we
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Speaker 1: had finished, you know, going through his whole life. And
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Speaker 1: what I found was that she was a major part
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Speaker 1: of his success and just you know, his the attitude
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Speaker 1: that he had and these these funny catchphrases that he had,
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Speaker 1: like he got all that from his mom. Like so,
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Speaker 1: so hanging out with her was basically like hanging out
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Speaker 1: with him. So I would just go to her house.
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Speaker 1: She would just cook for me all day, tell me stories.
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Speaker 1: He would be stealing my iPad running around the house,
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Speaker 1: and um so she you know, she really was, She
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Speaker 1: really was the story. Like that's ultimately. Ultimately, what I
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Speaker 1: found was that the story was him and his mom.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's about rap, but I feel like
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Speaker 1: it's something that anybody could relate to because it's really
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Speaker 1: about family. And his mom was their manager, Ugk's manager
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Speaker 1: for ten fifteen years. Like she was very involved, like
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Speaker 1: not only in his life, within his rap career as well.
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Speaker 1: Because people worp sat Now posted the picture of the
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Speaker 1: book and people started going in saying that his you know,
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Speaker 1: his wife would have a problem with this book coming out.
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Speaker 1: They didn't want it to come out, and how dare
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Speaker 1: you and so on and so forth. But you had
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Speaker 1: his mother's approval, right obviously, because she cooperated with it.
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Speaker 1: So explain a little bit about what went on behind
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Speaker 1: the scenes and trying to put something like this out,
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Speaker 1: because people don't understand you can still even without the
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Speaker 1: consent of the family, you can still put out a book. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you have a lot more freedom with a
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Speaker 1: you know, we have freedom of speech in Americas. You
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Speaker 1: have a lot more freedom with a book than maybe
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Speaker 1: say an album or something like that. But you know,
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Speaker 1: it's complicated. There's there's division in Pemp's family. So when
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Speaker 1: you talk about Pimp's family, it's not like it's one entity.
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Speaker 1: I have a great relationship with most of the family. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well he had. You know, he has two older sons
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Speaker 1: prior to him getting married, and so his his wife
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Speaker 1: and his mom never got along. So initially, when I
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Speaker 1: had the idea, you know, I called Bun, I called
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Speaker 1: his wife, I called his mom and said, you know,
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Speaker 1: how would you feel about me doing this book? Everybody
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Speaker 1: said it was a good idea. I moved forward. This
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Speaker 1: was a four or five year process doing the research.
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Speaker 1: So over that time, you know, as I got closer
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Speaker 1: to his mom, his wife just kind of stopped communicating,
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Speaker 1: I think because of whatever issues they had, and um,
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Speaker 1: and you got to think too. I mean, it would
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Speaker 1: be hard, I think, to read a book like this
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Speaker 1: because Pim pad he had other relationships with other women,
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Speaker 1: you know, and so that might be hard to read.
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Speaker 1: But it's still it's the truth, you know. It's not
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Speaker 1: like I made it up. I could be wrong, but
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Speaker 1: I remember, didn't Y'll start working on this before Pim died. No,
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Speaker 1: I mean we did interviews. He would do interviews for
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Speaker 1: the magazine like pretty much every month, so we had
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Speaker 1: you know, anytime I needed anything, like any type of
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Speaker 1: content or I need a rapper to comment on this topic,
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Speaker 1: like he would just always he would just always called
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Speaker 1: me anyway, and I'd be like, hey, we're doing If
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Speaker 1: I didn't ask him, yeah, well he would call me
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Speaker 1: at like three four in the morning all the time,
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Speaker 1: which that was like his his mo. He would call
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Speaker 1: everybody at like four in the morning and just be like, hey,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing and just start talking. So he
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Speaker 1: would just call me and say, hey, I want to
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Speaker 1: do a column. I want to put this in the book.
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Speaker 1: So I had probably you know, twenty interviews with him,
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Speaker 1: and I was able to use a lot of that content.
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Speaker 1: So we had never actually talked about like doing a book.
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Speaker 1: But um, when I approached his mom with the idea,
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Speaker 1: like he had told her so much about me that
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Speaker 1: she was already like totally on board with it. You know,
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Speaker 1: she was like, Oh, he told me, you know, he
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Speaker 1: told me all about you, and he loved you and
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Speaker 1: your you know, your work ethic and all that. So
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Speaker 1: I feel like he would have wanted me to do it.
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Speaker 1: Why pimp C specifically, because I mean you came up
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Speaker 1: around everybody, I mean from the cash Runnies too, you know,
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Speaker 1: the Jezs Rosses. Whoever, Why t I? Why pimp C?
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Speaker 1: What drew to Pi? He has it? He has a
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Speaker 1: great story, and he was just such a character. And
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Speaker 1: he had so many other characters in his life, Like
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Speaker 1: even just sitting down with his friends and family, like
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Speaker 1: I got into their story. He's like, they're telling me
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Speaker 1: their story, and right, you should write a book. You know.
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Speaker 1: He just had a lot of really interesting characters in
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Speaker 1: his life. And I almost called it. I was going
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Speaker 1: to call it the Six Degrees of Pempsley because in
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Speaker 1: throughout the book you have the Dungeon family story, you
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Speaker 1: have the No Limit story, the cash money story, the
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Speaker 1: Little Boosey story, the TI story, like all kind of
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Speaker 1: weave weaved into the book because he touched all those
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Speaker 1: people in one way or another. So I didn't actually
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Speaker 1: realize like just how connected he was to everybody. Now, Cray,
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Speaker 1: did you read the whole book? Not check? I'm getting
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Speaker 1: through it. How is it difficult for you to read that?
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Speaker 1: How you learn any things you didn't know about your dad?
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Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot of stuff that I didn't know.
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Speaker 1: But it's not really difficult. But at some part, so
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Speaker 1: you know, like you said, I put it down, but
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Speaker 1: I think it back up, like get through it. So,
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Speaker 1: but it's some things that you learned that you didn't
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Speaker 1: know that you were surprised a lot, like like some
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Speaker 1: of his day you know, he had a pocket full
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Speaker 1: of do you know that used to be my favorite song?
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Speaker 1: And I was little still mine mind? Now right? You said,
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Speaker 1: you said you found out a lot of dirt, But
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Speaker 1: what about personality wise? Here was a character? No, but
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Speaker 1: my mama always Tim, I'm just like him. Now see
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Speaker 1: what she's talking about? Just know not how I let yet,
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Speaker 1: but let So what's your relationship like with Bombing? Who
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Speaker 1: we talked? I mean if we see each other, we speak,
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Speaker 1: but in that we don't really communicate. Okay, but you
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Speaker 1: know it's not how it feelings and nothing, but just
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Speaker 1: how it is. Were you excited for this book to
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Speaker 1: come out? Yes? What about so other family members besides Corey?
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Speaker 1: And um, his mom was on board? Who else do
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Speaker 1: you feel like was really? Because I'm sure with the
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Speaker 1: other artists that you interviewed in this book. When his
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Speaker 1: wife then had a change of heart, did that make
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Speaker 1: other people have a change of heart too? I mean,
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Speaker 1: some people definitely are putting a hard position, I feel like, Um,
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Speaker 1: but all I can say, you know, as a writer,
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Speaker 1: what I what I always try to do is get
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Speaker 1: everyone's input. So I definitely gave his wife plenty of opportunities. Hey,
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Speaker 1: if you want to, you know, I'm not I'm not biased.
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Speaker 1: I'm not on anybody's side. If you want to give input,
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Speaker 1: that's fine. But you know, if I interview two hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty people, and two hundred and forty of them
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Speaker 1: say negative things about you. I don't really have too
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Speaker 1: much of a choice of what to write. So um,
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Speaker 1: I could see why maybe she would be, you know,
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Speaker 1: concerned about the way that she would come across in
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Speaker 1: the book. But if I if I'm just repeating what
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Speaker 1: I'm told, you know, a couple of stories that are
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Speaker 1: in the book for people who haven't gotten yet, because
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Speaker 1: it is gonna be quite a readism a million stories
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Speaker 1: in here. It's over seven hundred pages, so just give
12:42
Speaker 1: us like a couple of highlights situation in that it
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Speaker 1: is like the details of that that actually started that
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Speaker 1: was partly my fault. Um Pimple would just call me,
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Speaker 1: you know, as I said, like at four or five
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Speaker 1: in the morning. So he calls me one time and
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Speaker 1: he says, uh, I want to do a call him,
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Speaker 1: So okay, cool. So he was like, call me tonight,
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Speaker 1: you know, we'll do the interview whatever. So I finally
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Speaker 1: get him on the phone and it's like five six
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Speaker 1: in the morning or whatever. He was just on one
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Speaker 1: like he was just going off. He said he had
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Speaker 1: just seen the little Troy had made a video like
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Speaker 1: talking about rap a lot or something. He was mad
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Speaker 1: about something he had seen, so he just started going
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Speaker 1: off and he said something about he was like dissing somebody,
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Speaker 1: but didn't say a name, and I think I had
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Speaker 1: asked him, like, was he talking about Jeez. He was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I didn't say Jeezy's name or whatever, So I didn't
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Speaker 1: think he was actually dissing Jeezy. But then when the
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Speaker 1: article came out, you know, the hot one oh seven
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta called him. He did that crazy radio interview
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people heard, and Jeez, I guess,
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Speaker 1: found out that he was dissing him, or you know,
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Speaker 1: took it, took offense to it, and that's kind of
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Speaker 1: how that started. But I think he was upset because
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Speaker 1: he had done a verse for Jeez for free, and
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Speaker 1: then Jeez's label like sent him an invoice when he
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Speaker 1: wanted to get the favor reciprocated. So it was kind
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Speaker 1: of he was upset with a few artists over similar
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Speaker 1: ludicrous and you know, sometimes it's it's like record label business.
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Speaker 1: Now the label might send an invoice and maybe it's
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Speaker 1: not coming from the artists directly. But when he came
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Speaker 1: out of prison, it was like a huge transition had
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Speaker 1: taken place in the music industry because prior to him
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Speaker 1: going in, It was like, Okay, you're my friend, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get in the studio, we're gonna work. And it
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Speaker 1: wasn't like a money you know, financial transaction um type
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Speaker 1: of thing. And then when he came out, you know,
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Speaker 1: hip hop is a huge, like billion dollar industry and
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Speaker 1: it's all about you know, the labels sending this person
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Speaker 1: an invoice and there's clearances and stuff like that. So
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Speaker 1: I think he took offense to that in a number
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Speaker 1: of situations, did a reconcile before His mom told me
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Speaker 1: that he had intended to Like one of their last conversations,
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Speaker 1: he said, I want to reach out to him and
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Speaker 1: make it right. So she said that he intended to
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Speaker 1: smooth things over with Jez and he kind of regretted
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Speaker 1: that he had made those comments, and um, Jess actually
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Speaker 1: shouted pimp out on stage the other night he did
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Speaker 1: his tenure anniversary concert in Atlanta. So I think that
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Speaker 1: situation probably would have been fixed had he not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, love,
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Speaker 1: I think they're they're they're good. You going with his
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Speaker 1: relationship with master P as well, Yeah that. I mean
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Speaker 1: a lot of people have heard there was always like
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Speaker 1: rumors of you know, Masterp, like pistol whipping him and
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Speaker 1: kidnapping him, and so I really wanted to get to
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Speaker 1: the bottom of like what actually happened. So I actually
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Speaker 1: talked to the people who were at the hotel that night,
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Speaker 1: is what actually did happen. So yeah, that actually I
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Speaker 1: don't know if i'd say kidnapped, but yeah, master P
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Speaker 1: ran up in his hotel room with four people held
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Speaker 1: him down, pistol whipped him. Yeah, yeah, you might want
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Speaker 1: to read this. Well, Pimp had kind of and then
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Speaker 1: Pimp kind of fell back because he said, well, I
15:37
Speaker 1: kind of started it because I was I was talking crazy.
15:39
Speaker 1: What what spark that was? You know, they had some
15:42
Speaker 1: issues to begin with. There was a dispute over like
15:44
Speaker 1: some some money or some equipment that was supposed to
15:46
Speaker 1: take place, and um, he had master Pa cussed out
15:50
Speaker 1: see his mom on the phone, but she was the manager,
15:53
Speaker 1: you know, she she had a mouth on her too,
15:55
Speaker 1: So I guess they had gotten into some kind of
15:56
Speaker 1: spat and Masterp said, you know, said something crazy to her,
15:59
Speaker 1: And so Pim got on stage that night and he said,
16:02
Speaker 1: had the crowd say, you know, a limit and just
16:05
Speaker 1: went off. So, um, master he eventually found him, and
16:09
Speaker 1: I guess somebody said it was it was a love whipping,
16:12
Speaker 1: like he you know, wanted to let him know he
16:15
Speaker 1: could be touched, but not you know her. But his
16:18
Speaker 1: mom said that that really that was part of the
16:20
Speaker 1: reason that Dirty Money took so long to take out
16:22
Speaker 1: to come out, because it kind of threw off his whole,
16:25
Speaker 1: Like she said, he was just very upset for like
16:28
Speaker 1: a couple of months after that, like it just killed
16:30
Speaker 1: his whole like creative, yeah, yeah, yeah, um. And then
16:35
Speaker 1: of course there are other scenarios in here of him
16:37
Speaker 1: his relationship with other women and everything. So yeah, I
16:40
Speaker 1: try not to get I tried not to be messy,
16:43
Speaker 1: you know, I try not to get to the book.
16:47
Speaker 1: You might as well put in getting some poo poom too. Well,
16:50
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a salacious it's not, um right,
16:54
Speaker 1: not like graphic. But yeah, he had other women in
16:56
Speaker 1: his life. Um, there's an interesting story. He went to
16:59
Speaker 1: a psychic about a couple of months before he passed,
17:02
Speaker 1: and the psychic was his like one of his girlfriend's sisters,
17:05
Speaker 1: and um, their stories was was interesting. He was just
17:08
Speaker 1: asking it was it was weird. He was asking questions
17:10
Speaker 1: about like different people around him like trying to. You
17:13
Speaker 1: could sense that he was maybe he was, um not
17:17
Speaker 1: trusting some of the people around him, so he was
17:19
Speaker 1: he went to a psychic actually asking about these people,
17:21
Speaker 1: like what do you see when you when I say
17:23
Speaker 1: this name? And that was like his girlfriend's sister. She
17:25
Speaker 1: could have been like, I think you need to be
17:26
Speaker 1: with my sister. All right, Well the book is available
17:34
Speaker 1: rap at chapter Yeah. Um, well that was very interesting
17:37
Speaker 1: to me because I didn't get into hip hop until
17:40
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, so I didn't know that there
17:43
Speaker 1: had been this huge like the DA was really trying
17:45
Speaker 1: for like a decade to get rab A Lot, you know,
17:48
Speaker 1: get j Prince On under federal indictment basically. And so
17:52
Speaker 1: what they tried to do was set up a lot
17:53
Speaker 1: of people that worked for rap a Lot or were
17:55
Speaker 1: affiliated with rap a Lot. They would they would set
17:58
Speaker 1: up situations where they have somebody calling and say, hey,
18:00
Speaker 1: there's a cooler in a hotel with with ninety thousand
18:03
Speaker 1: dollars in it, and I'll leave the room key for you.
18:05
Speaker 1: You can come steal it. You know. They come get
18:07
Speaker 1: the cooler and there's six kilos of cocaine in there,
18:09
Speaker 1: and then they try to entrap them and get them
18:12
Speaker 1: to provide information or whatever. So it was a whole
18:15
Speaker 1: crazy situation. And UM, I don't know if I don't
18:18
Speaker 1: know if I should have just let I know. Jay
18:20
Speaker 1: has a book coming out from when I heard and um,
18:22
Speaker 1: so I don't know if I should have just let
18:24
Speaker 1: him tell his story. But I was so fascinated, you know,
18:27
Speaker 1: once I came across um that a story, I just
18:29
Speaker 1: felt like it needed to be included. And it plays
18:32
Speaker 1: into Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure he'll have a whole
18:35
Speaker 1: perspective on it. But the reason, yeah, he didn't he
18:39
Speaker 1: didn't want to do an interview. I mean, he's he's
18:40
Speaker 1: not really a he doesn't really do interviews. But I
18:42
Speaker 1: would love to read book, Yeah, exactly. Um, I would
18:46
Speaker 1: love to read his book. But the reason I included
18:48
Speaker 1: it was because it helps you understand why pimps went
18:51
Speaker 1: to prison. Um. Part of the reason why pimpsy went
18:53
Speaker 1: to prison because at the time when he got arrested,
18:56
Speaker 1: it was he got arrested a week after the congressional
18:59
Speaker 1: hearing when they about rap a lot, So it was
19:02
Speaker 1: when you understand all the things that had led up
19:05
Speaker 1: to that point. So here PIMC gets arrested. He's affiliated
19:08
Speaker 1: with rap a Lot. The FBI comes to see him
19:11
Speaker 1: while he's in the county jail and says, hey, if
19:13
Speaker 1: you can tell us something about Jay Prince, we'll let
19:14
Speaker 1: you go. So he was. He said that he was
19:18
Speaker 1: approached with offers. FBI had paperwork on him, you know,
19:22
Speaker 1: they had, that's all. There was several times where people
19:26
Speaker 1: tried to set him up or tried to, you know,
19:29
Speaker 1: say that he was selling drugs and things like that.
19:31
Speaker 1: See had a crazy life. But when you understand the
19:34
Speaker 1: rap a Lot situation, it helps you understand why he
19:37
Speaker 1: decided to go to court and plead guilty to aggravated
19:40
Speaker 1: assault when all he had done was he got an
19:42
Speaker 1: argument with a woman at the mall and he thought
19:44
Speaker 1: she was reaching for a weapon, like she reaching her purse,
19:47
Speaker 1: and he had a pistol. So he lifted his shirt
19:49
Speaker 1: and showed he had a pistol. So in Texas that's
19:51
Speaker 1: aggravated asault. You can get twenty years for that. And
19:53
Speaker 1: there's a lot in there about their situation with Jive Records.
19:56
Speaker 1: They always had, yeah, a lot of issues with the label,
19:59
Speaker 1: and he compare being signed to a record label or
20:02
Speaker 1: the music industry to prostitution. Yeah, he made that comparison
20:06
Speaker 1: a lot. Well, they made They made a mistake, I
20:08
Speaker 1: would say, because they didn't really understand like when they
20:11
Speaker 1: the song took off, they sold forty thousand units independently,
20:14
Speaker 1: so they didn't really understand yet how to leverage that
20:17
Speaker 1: success to get a better record deal. Because somebody like
20:20
Speaker 1: you know, E forty talked about how he went to
20:22
Speaker 1: job he had already sold like I don't know, two
20:24
Speaker 1: hundred and two und fifty thousand units and said hey,
20:26
Speaker 1: I need a better deal. So once you already have
20:28
Speaker 1: success independently, then you can negotiate it for a better
20:31
Speaker 1: deal with the record label. But at the time, you
20:33
Speaker 1: gotta think they were I think seventeen eighteen years old.
20:37
Speaker 1: His mom said, when they came to New York to
20:38
Speaker 1: sign the deal, they got a youth discount ticket. That's
20:41
Speaker 1: how young he was, Like at the time they gave
20:43
Speaker 1: discount airfare. Yeah, I think he was eighteen when they
20:45
Speaker 1: actually signed their deal. But they were just very young.
20:47
Speaker 1: They're from Port Arthur, Texas. They don't know anything about
20:49
Speaker 1: the music business. They're big time records. Who doesn't know
20:52
Speaker 1: anything about the music business. So they were just very
20:55
Speaker 1: He said, there were some sheep getting ready for the slaughter.
20:57
Speaker 1: That's that's how pimps described it. So think about the book.
21:01
Speaker 1: I saw a Bun the other day. Um, I interviewed him.
21:04
Speaker 1: I mean he was one of the first people I interviewed.
21:06
Speaker 1: He provided a lot of information, I think. Um. The
21:09
Speaker 1: last thing he told me was that he's preparing to
21:11
Speaker 1: put out a book. I don't know how far along
21:13
Speaker 1: he is in that process, but he said, Hey, I
21:15
Speaker 1: got to save some of my stories, you know, from
21:17
Speaker 1: my own book, and I would love to read his
21:19
Speaker 1: book too. But um, so I don't know what his
21:22
Speaker 1: You'd have to ask him what his position is. Rabbi, Yeah,
21:27
Speaker 1: shout out, shout out the bun rabbit. I think he
21:33
Speaker 1: probably his family. Yeah, his family. I don't know if
21:39
Speaker 1: he's happy for me about me putting that out there,
21:41
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was his that was like his childhood nickname.
21:44
Speaker 1: That's how he got Bundy. I would text him a
21:47
Speaker 1: bunch of bunny rabbit to see what he said, just
21:51
Speaker 1: the emolji nothing else. Well, the book is came out tuesday. Yeah,
21:56
Speaker 1: Amazon is the best place to pick it up. We're
21:58
Speaker 1: setting up for a book signing tour. We already hit Houston, Dallas, Atlanta,
22:02
Speaker 1: but we'll be coming through doing a pretty extensive tour
22:05
Speaker 1: um signing books. Corey will be with me and some
22:08
Speaker 1: of the days Corey gonna be able to pay for
22:09
Speaker 1: college off to sales it. These books' getting some money. Yeah, yeah,
22:12
Speaker 1: Corey's Uh, Corey's out there hustling too, Coy. Corey's a
22:16
Speaker 1: hustler like his dad. He was selling Uh, he was
22:18
Speaker 1: selling DVDs at the at the Washington Say, did you
22:26
Speaker 1: have one? Like did you ever used to experience like
22:28
Speaker 1: people saying like you're a culture vulture? Because you know
22:31
Speaker 1: they said, you've heard that. But you know what PEPSI saying,
22:36
Speaker 1: Let's see, you wrote the book that you ain't got
22:39
Speaker 1: to like it, but you guys to respect me. So okay,
22:41
Speaker 1: if you don't like me, I don't really care. I
22:43
Speaker 1: like the way you did that too, with your swing.
22:45
Speaker 1: You ain't got to like. I can't say I can't
22:50
Speaker 1: do the PIMPSI invitation. His mom could do it perfect,
22:52
Speaker 1: Like everybody at interview would try to do the Pimpsie.
22:55
Speaker 1: Can you do it? Corey? I can't even do it.
22:58
Speaker 1: It's somewhere so I can do it. You're gonna try
23:02
Speaker 1: like his Uh. You might have to pay for that.
23:06
Speaker 1: You might have to charge for that. Idel lived a
23:07
Speaker 1: little bron all right, Julia Beverly, thank you for joining us, Corey,
23:11
Speaker 1: appreciate you for having me. It's the Breakfast Club.