Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 970: Foundations - When it Comes to Rut Hunting, Hope is Not a Strategy
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:22Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
- 0:24Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. In today's episode is all about how to
- 0:27Speaker 2: approach the rut with a plan and then to see
- 0:30Speaker 2: that plan through. Well, if you've been bitching about hot
- 0:37Speaker 2: weather or rainy, foggy, stupid weather, or no daytime movement
- 0:40Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, when it comes to the deer,
- 0:42Speaker 2: you can stop now. At least much of the country
- 0:45Speaker 2: is writ smack dab in the best damn time of
- 0:47Speaker 2: the year to be a white tail hunter, and that
- 0:49Speaker 2: means a lot of folks are going to have amazing
- 0:51Speaker 2: hunts this week, but.
- 0:52Speaker 3: A lot of folks won't.
- 0:53Speaker 2: You don't want to be in that ladder category, and
- 0:56Speaker 2: to help you avoid it, I'm going to talk about
- 0:57Speaker 2: developing a rut hunting plan and actually it through. So
- 1:01Speaker 2: buckle up, because it's time to get serious about the
- 1:03Speaker 2: best time of the year to be a deer hunter.
- 1:09Speaker 2: Here in Minnesota, we have a thing called m EA,
- 1:12Speaker 2: which stands for Minnesota Educator Academy, and every year in
- 1:16Speaker 2: October they hold a conference with teachers, and since they
- 1:19Speaker 2: are all tied up all day, the kids get a
- 1:21Speaker 2: nice little.
- 1:21Speaker 3: Break of a couple days off of school.
- 1:23Speaker 2: I figured that was the perfect opportunity to take one
- 1:26Speaker 2: of my daughters back to that stupid wasteland with no
- 1:28Speaker 2: deer that is northern Wisconsin and try to get her
- 1:31Speaker 2: to arrow anything. I didn't have a great plan, but
- 1:34Speaker 2: I had a sort of plan, given that the wind
- 1:36Speaker 2: was going to be out of the south for two
- 1:37Speaker 2: days and then out of the north for our remaining
- 1:39Speaker 2: two days. Well, we saw grouse, squirrels, a hell of
- 1:43Speaker 2: a lot of songbirds, and we never saw a single deer,
- 1:46Speaker 2: not in seven sits, which, if you think about it,
- 1:49Speaker 2: sucks a whole lot. I realized about halfway through that
- 1:53Speaker 2: I was bumping up against a couple of things. The
- 1:56Speaker 2: first was that my daughter is certainly capable of hunting
- 1:59Speaker 2: long hours and being patient, but she can't hunt out
- 2:01Speaker 2: of a tree stand with a crossbow. At least a
- 2:03Speaker 2: stand that isn't a ladder stand, and I'm just not
- 2:07Speaker 2: much of a ladder stand guy, although I guess I
- 2:08Speaker 2: probably should be now that my daughters could hunt them.
- 2:11Speaker 2: That was mistake number one. Anyway, I should have put
- 2:14Speaker 2: up some ladder stands. Second, because the crossbow she uses
- 2:18Speaker 2: is heavy, like they generally are, she needs a solid rest,
- 2:21Speaker 2: which comes in the form of a heavy bog pot.
- 2:24Speaker 2: That's a limiting factor for many reasons, but it is
- 2:26Speaker 2: what it is until they are strong enough and confident
- 2:29Speaker 2: enough to shoot a vertical bow.
- 2:30Speaker 3: Anyway.
- 2:31Speaker 2: Now, we hunted private land, and we hunted public We
- 2:33Speaker 2: hunted alfalfa, we hunted acorns, we hunted the limited amount
- 2:37Speaker 2: of scrapes we found, We hunted pinch points. And what
- 2:39Speaker 2: we saw was that whatever decision I made was clearly
- 2:42Speaker 2: the wrong one. It was frustrating, but it also reminded
- 2:45Speaker 2: me of how my dad and I used to hunt. Now,
- 2:48Speaker 2: instead of trying to input as many variables as possible
- 2:51Speaker 2: into the old brain algorithm and then make a decision
- 2:54Speaker 2: based on that plus fresh sign, I said, well, the
- 2:57Speaker 2: wind is from the north, so I have these four options.
- 3:00Speaker 2: I thought her extremely low standards in the reality that
- 3:03Speaker 2: we'd spend probably twenty eight hours or so in those
- 3:05Speaker 2: seven sits out actually hunting that it would just be
- 3:08Speaker 2: a matter of time, but it wasn't, and the highlight
- 3:11Speaker 2: of the whole trip was taking the pop out for
- 3:13Speaker 2: some midday ducks and then woodcock and grouse. A few
- 3:16Speaker 2: wood ducks can make up for some shitty deer hunting,
- 3:18Speaker 2: but didn't quite smooth the whole thing. Over the last
- 3:21Speaker 2: night of the trip, my daughter and I sat watching
- 3:23Speaker 2: a beautiful small alfalfa field on a piece of private
- 3:26Speaker 2: and listened to wolves howl in the distance, which was
- 3:29Speaker 2: a good reminder that it might not just be my
- 3:31Speaker 2: poor decision making that had the deer on edge or
- 3:34Speaker 2: totally gone. I recently heard someone on a podcast say
- 3:38Speaker 2: something like, when it comes to business, hope is not
- 3:42Speaker 2: a strategy, and I was running off of hope out there.
- 3:45Speaker 2: That last part of that statement stuck with me, and
- 3:48Speaker 2: it rattled around my smooth brain on the drive home
- 3:50Speaker 2: from our ill fated hunt, because it just kind of
- 3:53Speaker 2: perfectly summed up a lot of life and definitely summed
- 3:56Speaker 2: up deer hunting at that time and right now during
- 4:00Speaker 2: the rut. This is the thing, though, there's like no
- 4:03Speaker 2: better time during the season to have that warm and
- 4:06Speaker 2: fuzzy feeling that this is just going to be our
- 4:08Speaker 2: sit or this is just going to be our week,
- 4:11Speaker 2: because after all, when all the bucks in the neighborhood
- 4:13Speaker 2: are on the move, the odds of one of them
- 4:15Speaker 2: walking by at twenty yards will never be higher than
- 4:18Speaker 2: right now. That's the good news. But the bad news
- 4:22Speaker 2: is that the rut doesn't erase a lot of the
- 4:24Speaker 2: things that we think it does. Let me give you
- 4:26Speaker 2: an example here. During late September, my daughters and I
- 4:29Speaker 2: sat over in Wisconsin and saw a big old dough
- 4:32Speaker 2: multiple times one day. She was a frequent flyer on
- 4:35Speaker 2: my cameras in that spot, and she had no fawns,
- 4:37Speaker 2: so I figured her days were definitely numbered, and boy
- 4:41Speaker 2: did she flirt with death.
- 4:43Speaker 3: But she beat us, and.
- 4:44Speaker 2: Eventually she got close enough to our blind where she
- 4:47Speaker 2: could be down wind and figure it out.
- 4:49Speaker 3: Now.
- 4:49Speaker 2: When I heard her spook, I wondered how long it
- 4:51Speaker 2: would take for her to get back to normal. Well,
- 4:54Speaker 2: as of the last week of October, I never had
- 4:56Speaker 2: another daylight pick of her, but I had plenty of
- 4:59Speaker 2: nighttime picks. We never saw her again either, and we
- 5:02Speaker 2: hunted specifically for that deer a few times. That dough
- 5:06Speaker 2: an old, no bullshit kind of dough. She's still around,
- 5:11Speaker 2: but I can promise you the odds of her running
- 5:12Speaker 2: by that blind in daylight at some point or way
- 5:15Speaker 2: less than they would have been if we didn't spook
- 5:17Speaker 2: her there. She knows where we like to hide, and
- 5:20Speaker 2: she's not the kind of deer to take those chances.
- 5:22Speaker 2: Does that sound like I'm putting too much mental horsepower
- 5:25Speaker 2: in between her ears? Maybe, but I don't think so.
- 5:28Speaker 2: Does that mean a buck won't go by that blind?
- 5:31Speaker 2: Absolutely not. But I also think that dough in particular,
- 5:34Speaker 2: even if she was getting chased like crazy, would be
- 5:36Speaker 2: more likely to head off somewhere else where she feels
- 5:39Speaker 2: a little safer. I think it's often that simple, and
- 5:42Speaker 2: that stuff doesn't work in our favor. Now I can
- 5:45Speaker 2: somewhat confidently say that because I can keep tabs on
- 5:48Speaker 2: individual deer in that place where there just aren't very
- 5:50Speaker 2: many deer. But you might think, well, I always have
- 5:54Speaker 2: lots of does and fawns around my old favorite stand
- 5:57Speaker 2: site or my favorite box blind, and that's great off.
- 6:00Speaker 2: And do those dos go by and range? Are they
- 6:03Speaker 2: onto you at all. What if, for some reason, you
- 6:06Speaker 2: go out for a couple of days of your rut
- 6:07Speaker 2: cation and they don't come by, at least they don't
- 6:10Speaker 2: drag a buck by you. I remember Randy Nuberg telling
- 6:13Speaker 2: me one time about once in a lifetime tags or
- 6:16Speaker 2: at least super premium, you know, tags that you might
- 6:19Speaker 2: never draw, and if you do, you got real lucky.
- 6:21Speaker 3: He said.
- 6:22Speaker 2: People draw them and they think the hunt is going
- 6:23Speaker 2: to be easy, but you still have to put in
- 6:26Speaker 2: the effort commensurate to the tag and the animal. This
- 6:29Speaker 2: is where people get the rut wrong. A lot of times,
- 6:31Speaker 2: we like it for a lot of reasons, but the
- 6:33Speaker 2: main one we don't talk about is that the rut
- 6:36Speaker 2: is an excuse to be kind of lazy. And I'm
- 6:38Speaker 2: just going to say this and take the heat if
- 6:40Speaker 2: I have to. Lazy saves more bucks than anything else.
- 6:44Speaker 2: My dad just recently texted me that he put up
- 6:46Speaker 2: a blind on a farm in southeastern Minnesota for deer,
- 6:50Speaker 2: where you know there's a lot of deer in general.
- 6:54Speaker 2: But he went in there and sat a couple of times,
- 6:56Speaker 2: and that blind wasn't giving him good vibes. He knew
- 6:59Speaker 2: he needed to move it, and he was almost willing
- 7:02Speaker 2: to do that, but then he said he would just
- 7:04Speaker 2: open up a different window on the blind where there
- 7:06Speaker 2: are more trails on that side than the spot he'd
- 7:09Speaker 2: originally faced that. Now I had many thoughts there, none
- 7:12Speaker 2: of which I shared with him because he won't follow
- 7:14Speaker 2: my advice anyway, But I'll share them with you. That
- 7:16Speaker 2: decision was based purely on not wanting to do the
- 7:18Speaker 2: work to find new deer and set up something different.
- 7:21Speaker 2: Worse yet, I'm sure he believes his reasoning.
- 7:25Speaker 3: Now.
- 7:25Speaker 2: I don't want to pick on Papa too hard, because
- 7:27Speaker 2: we all do shit like that. It's in our nature
- 7:29Speaker 2: to figure out ways to shortcut every process and to
- 7:32Speaker 2: try to put in as little effort as possible for
- 7:34Speaker 2: the highest reward. If the deer have taught me anything,
- 7:38Speaker 2: it's that if you don't have an unbelievable spot to hunt,
- 7:41Speaker 2: you aren't going to get away with little effort. They're
- 7:44Speaker 2: too good at not getting killed for that kind of approach.
- 7:47Speaker 2: So I guess this leads me to the point where
- 7:48Speaker 2: I have to tell you how to make a plan.
- 7:50Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what I do, and then
- 7:52Speaker 2: tell you why that's wrong, and then go in circles
- 7:54Speaker 2: for a while until I wrap this thing up. The
- 8:07Speaker 2: weather forecast is your friend, first and foremost. Wind direction
- 8:12Speaker 2: is what I care about the most because it will
- 8:13Speaker 2: tell me an awful lot about what I can and
- 8:15Speaker 2: can't do on any given day. So if I have,
- 8:18Speaker 2: let's say five days to hunt the rut, I want
- 8:21Speaker 2: to pull up the forecast for each day and make
- 8:23Speaker 2: no to the predicted wind direction. Now, I know that
- 8:26Speaker 2: this isn't an exact science, but it's a hell of
- 8:28Speaker 2: a lot more reliable than it used to be. So
- 8:31Speaker 2: start there where you can reasonably expect whatever wind directions
- 8:34Speaker 2: are predicted. Then you have to use that infotocross reference
- 8:37Speaker 2: it with the best weather conditions you have, because that's
- 8:40Speaker 2: when you want to hunt your best stuff. So let's
- 8:43Speaker 2: say you have one pinch point you scout of the
- 8:44Speaker 2: spring and you believe with your heart that it's going
- 8:47Speaker 2: to be on fire during the rut. Now you need
- 8:49Speaker 2: a west or a north wind for it, and that
- 8:51Speaker 2: isn't going to come until day three of your five
- 8:54Speaker 2: day hunt. Do you talk yourself into sitting there because
- 8:56Speaker 2: you think it's your best spot, or do you stay
- 8:58Speaker 2: out and hunt backups to until the weather gets right,
- 9:01Speaker 2: especially if the weather is going to get cold and
- 9:03Speaker 2: maybe a little rainy and oh so special for the rut.
- 9:06Speaker 2: Here's what probably half of the hunters will do. They'll say, well,
- 9:11Speaker 2: it's a southwest wind, but it won't be blowing very hard,
- 9:13Speaker 2: and I think I can get away with it, so
- 9:15Speaker 2: they'll hunt that pinch anyway. This is especially true if
- 9:18Speaker 2: they have a camera there, which they will, and that
- 9:21Speaker 2: camera will show them some daylight movement with big ones.
- 9:25Speaker 2: That siren song is loud, it's beautiful, and it'll talk
- 9:29Speaker 2: you into crashing your ship right into the rocks. My friends,
- 9:32Speaker 2: I feel like at least half of the time I haunt,
- 9:34Speaker 2: especially during the rut, I find myself sitting somewhere that's
- 9:37Speaker 2: good enough, but not where I really want to beat.
- 9:41Speaker 2: But if you can't cheat the wind in any meaningful
- 9:43Speaker 2: way when you're bowhunting, you just have to live by this.
- 9:46Speaker 2: You need backups that you believe in. Let's say you
- 9:49Speaker 2: decide I'm not going to that sweet pinch point till
- 9:51Speaker 2: the wind and the weather break my way. But you
- 9:53Speaker 2: also don't want to sandbag the first couple days of
- 9:55Speaker 2: your rut hunt. Where can you put in some time
- 9:58Speaker 2: and not mess up the deer that should be going
- 9:59Speaker 2: through that pinch. That's what you need to answer. So again,
- 10:03Speaker 2: take into account to wind in the conditions. Maybe it's
- 10:05Speaker 2: going to be ten or fifteen degrees warmer than it
- 10:08Speaker 2: should be during the rut. So on that first day
- 10:11Speaker 2: you know you're going to have the wind out of
- 10:12Speaker 2: the south. Probably do you have water to hunt or
- 10:15Speaker 2: a funnel that allows you to sit over it where
- 10:18Speaker 2: maybe they might pass through on their way to the
- 10:19Speaker 2: drinking fountain somewhere. What if you think your water spot
- 10:23Speaker 2: is just a nursery of little bucks and you don't
- 10:24Speaker 2: want to waste your time there. Again, probably because what
- 10:26Speaker 2: your cameras show. I look at this different and I
- 10:30Speaker 2: try to ignore my trail camera data when it comes
- 10:33Speaker 2: to the rut. If I am where I believe the
- 10:36Speaker 2: general deer population might want to go, I'm not without confidence,
- 10:40Speaker 2: even if I haven't had tons of pictures of one
- 10:43Speaker 2: to fifties in that spot. Plus, it's better than blowing
- 10:46Speaker 2: out your best stuff by a long shot. Now, maybe
- 10:49Speaker 2: that's not it, and maybe the south wind will allow
- 10:51Speaker 2: for a hanging hunt in an area that usually has
- 10:53Speaker 2: a whole bunch of bucks sign anything is better than
- 10:56Speaker 2: settling for good enough. And the more you lay out
- 10:58Speaker 2: your plan and your brain before you start hunting, the
- 11:01Speaker 2: more you can see it through until at least the
- 11:04Speaker 2: deer show you something different. This is where things get squirrely.
- 11:09Speaker 2: The best plans just generally meet our deer realities, and
- 11:11Speaker 2: if we force them too hard, when the bucks show
- 11:13Speaker 2: us something else, we lose again. You want that rough
- 11:17Speaker 2: plan in place, that day by day plan, so you
- 11:20Speaker 2: can follow through something with confidence. But if at any
- 11:25Speaker 2: point the deer really show you something but where they
- 11:29Speaker 2: want to be, you know, somewhere else, then you've got
- 11:31Speaker 2: to factor that in. But here's where it gets a
- 11:34Speaker 2: little worse. The way deer usually show us that is
- 11:37Speaker 2: through trail cameras. Look, that's good intel and might talk
- 11:40Speaker 2: you into calling an audible, But in person rut observations
- 11:44Speaker 2: are much more valuable. If you see a buck doing
- 11:46Speaker 2: something anything, pay attention. I don't care if it's a
- 11:49Speaker 2: spiker at two hundred injury. If you see two bucks
- 11:52Speaker 2: do something, you have an answer to an important question.
- 11:56Speaker 2: Where should I be sitting right now? Uh?
- 11:58Speaker 3: Right there?
- 12:00Speaker 2: So develop a good plan and then toss it into
- 12:02Speaker 2: the garbage. The minute the deer show you anything outside
- 12:04Speaker 2: of that plan, right, kind of, without the original plan
- 12:09Speaker 2: in place, you're going to probably settle without taking into
- 12:12Speaker 2: account what the deer actually show you. You won't be
- 12:15Speaker 2: taking full advantage of the rut. Instead, you'll be far
- 12:20Speaker 2: more likely to sit in a place you want to
- 12:22Speaker 2: hunt and try to call or decoy one in. Look,
- 12:26Speaker 2: this is supposed to be fun if that's how you
- 12:28Speaker 2: want to play it, so go ahead.
- 12:30Speaker 3: That's okay.
- 12:30Speaker 2: But if you generally don't kill big ones in November
- 12:33Speaker 2: and you want to and that's your go to strategy,
- 12:36Speaker 2: maybe hope alone isn't going to cut it. But you're
- 12:39Speaker 2: not done with your plan yet. I didn't know this
- 12:41Speaker 2: until I actually did it. But do you know why
- 12:43Speaker 2: alcoholics and addicts often tell their friends and family that
- 12:46Speaker 2: they are quitting for good. It's called a social contract,
- 12:50Speaker 2: and it's weirdly helpful because we don't want to look
- 12:52Speaker 2: like failures, so we try to see our promises through.
- 12:55Speaker 2: We do this with ourselves as well in the deer world.
- 12:59Speaker 2: Where I found this to be the most helpful is
- 13:01Speaker 2: that I don't just decide on where I'm most likely
- 13:03Speaker 2: to sit on any given day of the rut, but
- 13:05Speaker 2: I also make a pact with myself to sit either
- 13:07Speaker 2: until a certain time and then move or just sit
- 13:11Speaker 2: all day. It's not like I couldn't break that pack
- 13:14Speaker 2: you know in my head and go in for some
- 13:16Speaker 2: pancakes at ten in the morning, but for some reason
- 13:18Speaker 2: I usually don't anymore. It's kind of like when you
- 13:21Speaker 2: work out a lot, you say tonight, I'm gonna go
- 13:23Speaker 2: run the seven miles instead of just lacing up your
- 13:26Speaker 2: old on clouds and heading out for a run without
- 13:28Speaker 2: any distance or route in mind. Because the minute you
- 13:31Speaker 2: do that, you give yourself an out, because your brain
- 13:33Speaker 2: will decide that three miles is good enough. When it
- 13:36Speaker 2: comes to killing a buck during the rut, you can't
- 13:39Speaker 2: do better than putting in as much time as possible.
- 13:41Speaker 2: In high confidence locations, it's the way to kill deer.
- 13:45Speaker 2: And if you don't hold yourself accountable to sit until
- 13:47Speaker 2: noon or to go dark to dark, the second guessing
- 13:50Speaker 2: can talk you into heading out for a midday nap.
- 13:53Speaker 2: Not only does that take you out of the game
- 13:55Speaker 2: because you can't shoot them. When you're dreaming, you know
- 13:57Speaker 2: that Margot Robbie is your new coworker, or I guess
- 14:00Speaker 2: in Mark's case, a new butterfly species was just discovered
- 14:03Speaker 2: in southern Michigan. But also it puts more disturbance in
- 14:06Speaker 2: the woods just by your comings and going. This is
- 14:10Speaker 2: also the way that most of your competition's going to hunt.
- 14:12Speaker 2: And if you tend to hunt pressure ground and you
- 14:15Speaker 2: do not sit during the midday hours during the rut,
- 14:17Speaker 2: you're just missing out. I promise you that pressure deer
- 14:20Speaker 2: are tuned into us in major ways, and that timeframe
- 14:23Speaker 2: when most hunters can't hack it because they don't believe,
- 14:26Speaker 2: you know, in any real midday deer movement and they
- 14:28Speaker 2: don't have a plan, is some of the most important
- 14:32Speaker 2: time you can spend in the woods. But it takes
- 14:35Speaker 2: a strategy, takes a plan. It takes a willingness to
- 14:38Speaker 2: look at every opportunity you have to be out there
- 14:40Speaker 2: and decide how to play it against the predicted wind
- 14:42Speaker 2: and weather and all of the variables that you might
- 14:44Speaker 2: bump into. As the bucks get a little silly with
- 14:47Speaker 2: lust and they start to cover some serious ground, you know,
- 14:50Speaker 2: pair that with a willingness to go mobile or accept
- 14:53Speaker 2: that what you thought was going to happen didn't and
- 14:56Speaker 2: that you're going to have to let the deer decide
- 14:58Speaker 2: what to do if their movements are just persuasive enough.
- 15:01Speaker 2: And now you have the framework for a successful rut hunt.
- 15:06Speaker 2: The last piece of that puzzle is just putting in
- 15:08Speaker 2: the time, which, when you do and have a few
- 15:11Speaker 2: years show you that it was the right call, gets
- 15:13Speaker 2: a hell of a lot easier to do over time.
- 15:16Speaker 2: So remember this when it comes to rut hunting. Hope
- 15:19Speaker 2: is not a strategy. It's just a nice little boost
- 15:22Speaker 2: that will help you stick out a well thought out plant.
- 15:25Speaker 2: So get out there and get your buck and come
- 15:27Speaker 2: back next week because I'm going to talk about certain
- 15:28Speaker 2: situations during the rut where I will dig into my
- 15:30Speaker 2: bag of get rich quick products and really try to
- 15:33Speaker 2: make something happen.
- 15:35Speaker 3: That's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson.
- 15:38Speaker 2: This has been the Wirre to Hunt Foundation's episode, which
- 15:41Speaker 2: is brought to you by First Light. As always, thank
- 15:43Speaker 2: you so much for listening for all your support. I
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- 15:55Speaker 2: to do a ural amount with it, or maybe cook
- 15:56Speaker 2: it up.
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