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Did Studio Meddling Ruin "Tank Girl" (1995)? / "Dick Tracy" (1990) Was the Last of Its Kind · Meet Your Double Feature | Movie Reviews & Forgotten Films

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  Tonight on Meet Your Double feature, a free spirited rebel
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  fights to restore water to a post apocalyptic earth in Tank
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  Girl. Then a hard nosed detective
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  fights to bring down a colorful gang of criminals in Dick Tracy.
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  He's a stylish superhero double feature, and it starts right
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  now. Hello and welcome to Meet Your
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  Double Feature, a double-blind movie review podcast.
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  My name is Thomas, joined as always by my brother Frank.
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  Frank, how are you? Oh.
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  I'm excited we're back. Season finale we never left.
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  Finale we're still. There we never left, but this is
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  a bit of a hiatus for us. We have not recorded an episode
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  in over a month and so I'll be honest, this all feels brand new
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  to me. Yeah, How does this work?
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  This is a microphone. Microphone named after
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  microphone. Oh, I hate that guy.
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  Anyway, that's a great question. How does this work?
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  Maybe somebody listening is asking that question cause
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  they've never heard our show before.
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  In case you're wondering, Meet You Double Feature is a
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  double-blind movie review show. We have two films to talk about
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  back-to-back that neither of us had seen before recording them
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  for this episode. But Frank gave me one to watch,
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  and I gave him one to watch, and we're going to decide who made
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  the better blind movie selection.
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  I think it was me. Frank thinks it was him.
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  He's incorrect. They were on the show.
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  Later on in the show, we're going to talk about the movie I
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  asked Frank to watch, 1990s Dick Tracy.
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  And 1st, we're going to start with the film that Frank you
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  selected, 1995's Tank Girl. Also of note, this is the end of
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  our season about forgotten superhero films, as you can tell
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  from the fact that these are barely superhero films.
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  I think Dick Tracy is. Dick Tracy is Tank Girl a little
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  bit more of a stretch. I would call it a comic movie
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  because Tank Girl was a comic strip, not so much a superhero.
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  But we didn't know that. We had not seen the film.
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  That's the premise. That's the premise of the show.
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  Now, Frank, before I roll in with my review, any context for
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  why you asked me to watch Tank Girl?
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  You know, I was trying to really get us to the outer, the outer
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  edges of what constitutes a superhero slash comic book
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  movie, I guess. Yep.
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  And honestly, we've seen a lot of them.
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  You know, this was an effort to see some forgotten superhero
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  films. You know, it turns out there
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  wasn't that many that we forgot. Well, we being you and I
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  specifically because there are some more obscure ones that
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  people would enjoy that we just watched growing up already.
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  You know, like Darkman from Sam Raimi or like the Phantom.
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  Like there's some famous forgotten ones that we weren't
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  able to cover for the show because we don't one of us had
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  already seen them. So yeah, we were kind of at Slim
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  Pickens here towards the end of the season, but we did our best.
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  Yeah, I think, I think we've made some varied choices which I
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  like this like these are all superhero movies, hard to see a
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  through line through all of them.
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  Although I will with Dick Tracy, there's there's definitely some
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  common elements with some previous films that I've watched
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  this season, so. OK, looking forward to that.
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  I do have some production notes about Tank Girl as a character
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  that do tie into one of our previous films that we've
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  discussed this season, so I'll start with that.
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  Tank Girl, as I mentioned, was a comic strip that was adapted
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  into a film in 1995. It began, I believe, in the late
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  80s as sort of a counterculture. Like girl rocker character in
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  the United Kingdom was made by two British dudes who are more
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  well known. At least one of them is more
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  well known as the person who created the artwork for the
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  gorillas the band. Oh wait, so he did Tank Girl
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  first? Yeah, let me pull up the name so
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  that I don't look foolish. That's gorillas with AZ
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  actually. What's the name of the band?
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  The name of the guy? Tank Girl and the Gorillas are
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  connected through their Co creator, British artist Jamie
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  Hewlett. So that is a connection I was
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  not expecting when I sat down to watch Tank Girl.
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  Awesome, that would have been cool if there was gorillas music
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  in the movie. Oh, that would have been pretty
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  neat. Actually, it would have fit.
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  Unfortunately that project came later, otherwise I'm sure they
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  would have. Yeah.
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  The other note that I had is that the origins of the comics,
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  so the two creators, Hewlett and the other one whose name I
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  didn't write down, Bad job doesn't.
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  Matter. They're relevant.
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  Hate that? Guy relevant.
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  The other person? No, no, no, we'll look it up.
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  British comic series created by Jamie Hewlett and Alan Martin.
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  You can see why I forgot that other name, but not very
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  notable. Just really going to drag this
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  guy when? You.
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  Remember his name? You're like freaking boring name
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  guy over here. We'll cut that out so he looks
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  smart. Jamie Hewlett and Alan Martin
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  created Tank Girl, I think when they were both still in college.
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  The reason that the name Tank Girl came about, according to
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  the Wikipedia article at least, is that there was sort of a
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  running bit between Hewlett and some of the people in the band
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  he was in at the time, where they were just adding Girl to
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  the end of every character that they made-up.
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  And it says it was because they had just seen the 1980s
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  Supergirl movie. Whoa, Episode one.
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  Yeah. So I guess they saw Supergirl
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  probably the only ones and then just kept doing like Blank Girl
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  as like a bit. And so then when they created
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  Tank Girl, that's why she became Tank Girl.
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  Isn't that crazy? They watched that movie in the
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  80s and then nobody saw it again until this year when I watched
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  it. When you watched it and we
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  talked about it on the show, Yep, we're the only.
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  Watched it in between. So anyway, that was my that was
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  my long winded connection back to a superhero movie proper.
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  But I did think that was kind of funny.
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  Yeah, that's cool. I mean, it's connected to one we
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  already saw. There you go.
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  Can't be forgotten, the guy from the gorillas has seen it.
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  Guy who did the artwork for the He's not a member of the band
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  though, is he? No, I think it's just just the
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  art. But I mean, that's it's kind of
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  like a really crucial part of that band's aesthetic.
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  More so than most, yeah. Yeah, who cares about the music?
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  Who cares? Remember the monkey?
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  He's a gorilla actually, with AZ.
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  Oh, it's a good point. Anyway, that's my like
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  production background on Tank Girl.
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  It was a successful comic in the late 80s.
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  It was like a counterculture icon.
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  The comic itself was not really like a traditional narrative
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  story. It was a very zany like
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  surrealistic comic strip that didn't really follow any defined
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  logic but kind of had that like grungy riot girl art style.
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  So really, really easy to translate into a feature film.
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  Oh yeah, certainly. So it's not as if it was a
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  horrible idea that didn't work and was a total flop.
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  You know, I will say though, real quick, I, I actually feel
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  like stuff like that typically is something that would be great
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  to adapt into another medium because it is so loose.
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  You know, I, I feel like there's some, I, I know some people
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  really liked maybe the first season of like the Last of Us TV
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  show, but from what I've heard, people have fallen off on the
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  second season. And I've just always thought I'm
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  like, what a bad thing to adapt though, because it's already a
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  story that's been told in such a cinematic way, like through the
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  game, through the original. And so it's like, if you're
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  going to adapt something, I feel like there should be some
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  purpose or intentionality behind the adaptation because it is
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  going to inherently be something different.
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  But I feel like if you have something that's just loose and
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  kind of a kinetic energy idea and imagery, you can kind of do
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  whatever you want with that really, which I think would be a
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  fun jumping off point for an adaptation.
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  But that's a good point. I think on paper there's no
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  reason this couldn't have turned into a good movie 'cause just
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  like you said, all you need is the aesthetic.
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  And then you can kind of use that as an opportunity to create
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  like a core narrative out of it 'cause it still had characters
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  in a setting it just was not. It didn't really bother with the
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  traditional narrative structure in most of the comics.
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  Tank Girl also went on a hiatus after some point in the 90s and
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  then came back in like the 20 tens for a while.
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  So it's really only had a couple of short runs.
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  And I think there's there's still more to be done.
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  I think even now there's probably you could make Tank
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  Girl again now and it would probably have a better chance of
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  working than it did in 95. Like a movie?
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  You mean like a movie adaptation of it?
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  Because I do think that what we got in the 90s, I'll say right
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  off the bat, classic movie adaptation problem, the studio
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  got involved. That's like the overarching
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  problem with the movie is that the director and the 2 original
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  comic creators both like have all gone on record saying like
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  this movie got taken out of our hands in post production.
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  They made a bunch of changes, they censored it a lot, and the
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  end result was not what we wanted to make.
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  Yeah, tale as old as time. Tale as old as time as Tank
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  Girl. She have a tank.
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  She actually have a tank. Yes, so the premise of Tank Girl
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  is that she lives in a tank in like a post apocalyptic earth
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  and drives it around. And we do get to that point in
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  the movie, but at the beginning she is not.
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  She doesn't have her tank until like the second act.
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  Oh, so it's like a surf monkey situation again?
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  It's a surf monkey situation, but she does get it long before
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  the end of the movie, so that's good.
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  OK, cool, cool. What's she doing before she's?
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  That's what she lives like. Why'd they call her?
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  Was she just called Girl at the beginning?
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  OK so before I launch into the actual plot of the movie Tank
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  Girl, I would have never guessed this would come up.
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  But I honestly have to give a content warning for this movie
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  and even the discussion because Tank Girl.
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  The movie features many, many scenes, especially in the first
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  half, of people threatening sexual violence against women
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  and at least one against a child, and none of it is handled
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  with enough tact to be like, not uncomfortable to watch.
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  It's a huge part of the discussion.
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  And I think a lot of the movie was trying to be about a lot of
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  like, feminist ideas. And there's been a lot of stuff
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  written about it since about whether it's truly a feminist
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  film or almost like just appropriated the aesthetics of
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  feminist filmmaking. It's a lot.
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  It's like weirdly heavy despite having such a goofy premise.
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  So just wanted to forewarn with that before we actually get into
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  the Plot Summary at all. Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean, I, I don't know if it made it in the episode, but that
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  there's, there's a scene like that in Supergirl as well.
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  And it's like upsetting and like comically stupid in that movie
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  too 'cause she has superpowers and she keeps fending these
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  people off, but then they still persist.
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  It's. Like.
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  That doesn't even make sense. It's upsetting, and I think in
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  Tank Girl it's intended to be upsetting, but it does tip the
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  tone of the movie over into being like kind of miserable at
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  the beginning because when the story launches, it's set in the
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  future. I think it's like post
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  apocalyptic Earth. And there's actually a really
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  funny line at the beginning because Tank Girl herself,
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  played by Lori Petty, is narrating the opening and she
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  just says it's 2033, the world is screwed now.
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  I was like, Yep, Correct. Yeah.
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  I mean. Screwed sooner than that, but.
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  Sooner than that. It didn't even take that long,
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  Tank Girl, but thank you. And she explains that it's a
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  post apocalypse specifically because it like stopped raining.
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  There's been no water in like 11 or 12 years.
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  Most of the world is a desert. The only people who have water
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  is this big evil mega corporation that they just call
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  water in power because they have all of the remaining natural
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  resources. They're hoarding them and
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  essentially trying to rule the world by killing or enslaving
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  anybody who's trying to live out in the desert by themselves.
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  Yeah, none of that can ever happen.
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  None of that could ever happen. Water scarcity?
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  Never heard of it. Never.
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  Heard of it, don't want to talk about it, it scares me.
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  Don't stop bringing it up, Tank Girl.
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  So that is our premise. Tank Girl lives in like a little
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  commune out in the desert. There's this kind of neat set
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  that they have set up in the first act where it's like a
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  house, like a three story old looking house that's like half
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  covered up by the sand, like it's like half submerged into
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  this big sand dune. And so in order to still have a
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  walkway to get up to, like the top floor, they built this big
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  curved wooden ramp that looks like the entrance to Helms Deep.
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  Cool, I like that. Is this this a practical set
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  we're talking about here? There is some fun practical sets
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  and also some cute little miniatures of like the evil
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  headquarters and and some of the action stuff.
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  So production design good enough, kind of interesting,
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  very like zany 90s look to the whole thing. 90's the 90s were
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  so zany. 90s were so zany there was no water I guess.
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  They said surge, everybody was just drinking surge non-stop.
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  Surge. That's true.
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  Frank, I might have talked to you about this before, but there
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  is a website you can find online of an Internet movement of
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  people trying to make, I think Coca-Cola bring back Surge.
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  And it's like the most pathetic thing I've ever seen because the
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  language they use is not like bring back Surge because the
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  fans love it. They're trying to like speak
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  corporate. They're like Surge is a
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  marketable commercial entity for Coca-Cola Company.
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  Oh, I'm glad you called it a movement, you know, because it's
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  like a really important thing that we should be focusing on.
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  I don't want to think about the the water shortage or any other
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  real. Problems.
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  Where's the surge? I mean, listen, what do you call
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  6 people and a website if not a movement?
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  It's a band. It's a band.
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  Anyway, so Tank Girl starts. Tank Girl lives in a commune
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  with like some of her friends and these little kids who are
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  just kind of doing their best to to make it in a world that
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  doesn't have any water. The other faction in the world
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  that they have to worry about is this group that they call the
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  Rippers who according to the opening narration are like flesh
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  eating monsters and kind of a classic like post apocalypse
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  trope if it kind of felt like they were talking about the the
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  reavers from from Firefly if you remember that.
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  I was picturing like the psychos from Borderlands but.
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  Same thing. Yep, just like crazy cannibal
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  monster people living out in the desert.
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  So those are the two groups that our main cast has to worry
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  about. They have to deal with the
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  rippers and they have to deal with Water and Power, who are
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  just the evil organization. Almost immediately, Water and
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  Power shows up and kills all of Tank Girl's friends and kills
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  her boyfriend and kills her pet ox that she was riding around on
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  and kidnaps the little girl that she was friends with and kidnaps
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  Tank Girl. And this is where we get like
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  our three or four scenes in a row of people threatening sexual
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  violence against Tank Girl. So huge bummer in the first like
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  10 minutes of the movie. 1st 10 minutes, all that happens.
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  It's almost instantly we get a short scene of her coming across
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  these people who got killed by rippers and like taking the
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  water supplies that have been left behind while doing this
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  narration that I swear was all added in post and was not
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  intended to be there because it's very like it kind of
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  clashes with what's on screen. Like visually Tank Girl is a
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  silly movie, but trying to play it like the world they live in
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  is kind of like sad and dangerous.
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  But Lori Petty's narration is like, she's putting on this
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  voice that makes her sound like she's 12 years old, and she's
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  just like, that's me. I'm Tank Girl.
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  Probably wondering how I got here.
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  How did I make it through life without surge?
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  Oh my gosh. Well.
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  It can only go up from here. You just get all the sad stuff
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  out of the way right at the beginning.
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  Dude, we don't get the sad stuff out of the way for the first
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  like hour of the movie. It's so miserable.
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  This is supposed to be a fun movie.
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  I thought this was aimed at like kids when I when I turned it on,
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  but instead it's like, no, no, no, we're going to do kidnap,
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  sexual violence, threats, and then just like literal torture
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  for multiple scenes in a row. What?
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  So like our characters don't get to even have like a good time at
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  all in the beginning. It's just straight into just
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  bad, bad times, bad times at Ridgemont High for the rest of
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  the movie. That's not even what that's
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  called. Yeah, pretty much.
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  I think there's like 1 scene where she's like flirting with
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  her boyfriend and talking to this kid that she knows and they
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  try to establish that Tank Girl herself is really clinging on to
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  like old pop culture artifacts that she's collected in the form
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  of like old junk. So she has like like pin up
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  calendars and props and just things that she came across in
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  the desert. And so she tries to make like
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  pop culture references that don't even really make sense
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  because she's not very old and the world has been messed up for
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  a long time at this point. It's kind of like when the genie
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  shows up in Aladdin and starts talking about like modern pop
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  culture stuff and it's like, excuse me?
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  Yeah, but that that works in Aladdin.
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  It works in Aladdin. It kind of works in Tank Girl,
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  but she seems to know more than makes sense.
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  Like she makes a joke at one point about like, oh, I got to
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  get home to watch Baywatch. And it's like, do you even
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  really know what ATV is like? How long have things been this
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  messed up? You're like 20 years old.
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  Wasn't this also a thing with like Star Lord in Guardians of
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  the Galaxy? He was making like a lot of
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  references to like 80s culture even though you left earth when
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  he was like 9 years old. So exactly it's it's kind of on
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  par with that where like it's harkening to something for the
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  viewer's sake, even though the character maybe wouldn't
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  remember a lot of this stuff. And that makes sense in the
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  comic strip because I think Tank Girl has a bit of a meta
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  narrative quality in that where she can like wink to camera a
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  little more directly. She doesn't do that in the movie
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  because she's busy suffering. Oh, she doesn't do like the Zack
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  Morris like. She does not call a time out.
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  And yeah, like Zack Morris, she just gets kidnapped and there
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  her small child friend is kidnapped, and then she
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  interacts with the bad guy played by Malcolm McDowell.
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  So we got a real actor in the movie Lookout.
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  Lookout. Wait, who's playing Tank Girl?
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  Oh, Tank Girl's Lori Petty, who you might remember as one of the
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  leads in Point Break, the Keanu Reeves action movie.
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  She was the female lead in that. Oh, OK.
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  Yeah, I like that you had to clarify what point break was.
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  Like I I wouldn't know that. The audience might not know.
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  We don't know. Oh.
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  Oh, I forgot about them, Yeah. There's other people here, so
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  yes, if you've seen Point Break audience then she is the female
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  lead from that opposite Keanu Reeves and the late Patrick
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  Swayze. Swayze.
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  Yeah, the Swayze didn't we talk a lot about Swayze recently?
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  Was that. No, that was in one of our.
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  Oh, that was in our our ranking every movie ever made.
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  Yeah, we we went on and on about Roadhouse and how much we all
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  love Patrick Swayze. So check that out if you have
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  not already to hear more about the sways man.
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  In the meantime, back to Lori Petty.
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  So I don't even know how to properly summarize a lot of this
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  because it happens kind of quickly.
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  She gets abducted. She gets brought back to the
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  Water and Power headquarters, which is like a fully
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  functioning building that has all this stuff in it because
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  they've hoarded all the resources left on Earth.
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  Malcolm McDowell tries to hire her to work for him because she
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  showed that she's fairly capable.
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  She like, stole somebody's gun and killed a lot of his soldiers
• 19:54
  while they were attacking. So he's like, just come work for
• 19:56
  me. And she says no because she's
• 19:59
  very rebellious. And basically her whole
• 20:02
  character is that she just like, refuses to be subjugated by all
• 20:04
  these evil men. Like, even when some of them are
• 20:08
  like, threatening to assault her, like, she just always
• 20:11
  throws it back in their face by being like, hypersexual towards
• 20:14
  them. And then when Malcolm McDowell
• 20:15
  threatens physical violence against her, she just like,
• 20:18
  never. Let's them see it affect her.
• 20:20
  She's just always cracking jokes.
• 20:22
  That's like the core of the character in the movie is like,
• 20:25
  you can't, you can't bring me down.
• 20:28
  You know, the man can't hold me back.
• 20:30
  But for the audience's sake, we just have to watch them try for
• 20:34
  like 20 minutes and it's a huge bummer.
• 20:37
  What an odd narrative pacing choice.
• 20:41
  I'm so curious as to like where the movie goes from there.
• 20:43
  When you when you are starting at such a low point.
• 20:46
  Strange. It's real.
• 20:47
  Like bottom of the second act like low point storytelling and
• 20:51
  it's like the very first thing that happens.
• 20:54
  Tank Girl never gets a chance to really even establish what she
• 20:58
  wants in the context of this story.
• 21:00
  Right. That's what I was thinking.
• 21:01
  It's like what, what journey is she on when she's immediately
• 21:04
  suffering? And like, typically for a movie
• 21:06
  like this, you would want to show how capable she is in like
• 21:09
  certain situations, you know, So it's like maybe have like that
• 21:13
  first act action sequence where she's like, successful before
• 21:17
  things start to go poorly for her because it's like, we're
• 21:20
  supposed to be rooting for this character.
• 21:22
  This is the problem with the movie, like among many, is that
• 21:25
  you have no reason to really care about her, aside from the
• 21:28
  fact that we obviously don't like seeing anybody put through
• 21:30
  these like, horrible situations. Because we don't know her, we
• 21:32
  don't know anything about her. And her character never shows
• 21:37
  any vulnerability even like in private so that the audience
• 21:40
  could see that she's like putting on a front to to stick
• 21:43
  it to the evil characters. She's just always on.
• 21:46
  She's always like in character as this like unflappable, you
• 21:51
  know, rebellious hero character. So the whole time I'm just like,
• 21:54
  all right, Tank Girl seems fine with all of this torture stuff.
• 21:56
  I'm not I'm sad. Yeah, she's just like, don't
• 21:59
  have a cow, man like. Pretty much it it it'd be like
• 22:05
  if you tried to like water board, Bart Simpson.
• 22:07
  That's like what this movie feels like.
• 22:10
  That's a good pull quote for the movie.
• 22:13
  You tried to water board Bart Simpson.
• 22:19
  So that's, that's like the whole first act.
• 22:21
  For some reason, like, Malcolm McDowell becomes fixated on this
• 22:24
  idea that he wants to, like, break her spirit because she's,
• 22:26
  she shows so much resistance to it.
• 22:29
  And it even, it goes so specific, like he locks her in
• 22:31
  like, a freezer for a while and then comes together and it's
• 22:34
  like, you're going to work for me now.
• 22:35
  And then she, like, spits in his face, which is supposed to be,
• 22:38
  like, doubly insulting because there's so much water scarcity.
• 22:42
  It's like Dune. She's like, wasting her
• 22:43
  moisture. Yeah.
• 22:45
  Yeah. And then her second thing is so
• 22:49
  bizarre. He sticks her in a giant metal
• 22:52
  pipe that he explains as it goes further down and gets smaller
• 22:55
  and smaller. So you eventually get stuck and
• 22:58
  he's just like, is it that scary if you're claustrophobic?
• 23:01
  And then so he like, puts her in there for like several days and
• 23:04
  then when he takes her back out, he's like, just say it.
• 23:06
  Just say I won. Just say I, I broke you.
• 23:08
  And she never does. That's like the whole dynamic
• 23:10
  for her, and for why he becomes so obsessed as the villain in
• 23:14
  the movie, is that she just won't give him the satisfaction
• 23:16
  no matter how badly he treats her.
• 23:19
  Sounds like episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where Picard
• 23:24
  is being tortured. OK, let's dig into this.
• 23:27
  That sounds more fun. No, hang on, the pipe thing does
• 23:31
  sound horrifying though. I wouldn't want it.
• 23:33
  Just just like, couldn't you just stay in the part of the
• 23:36
  pipe where it's bigger though? Like.
• 23:37
  Well, they just like, it's too, too slick.
• 23:39
  They just like throw her down the pipe and she gets stuck.
• 23:42
  Yeah, that sounds awful. I've always been scared of
• 23:44
  getting stuck in like one of those like water park slides,
• 23:47
  you know? Oh, yeah.
• 23:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a horrible thought, isn't
• 23:51
  it? See, this is this is the fun
• 23:52
  1990s sci-fi movie Tank Girl. It's just like, man, that would
• 23:55
  be a horrible way to die. And it's like we're 20 minutes
• 23:57
  in. I haven't even started in on my
• 23:59
  popcorn. And I'm just like, well.
• 24:02
  Oh, I don't want this. I'm going to die someday.
• 24:11
  Chicago Tribune says I don't want this.
• 24:13
  I'm going to die someday. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:20
  So eventually we meet another character called Jet.
• 24:25
  I think in the comic she's called Jet Girl because again,
• 24:28
  we're still doing the Supergirl thing.
• 24:29
  In the movie they just called her Jet.
• 24:31
  She is another prisoner of water and power who has like technical
• 24:35
  know how. And so they have her in this
• 24:37
  hangar fixing their like, helicopters and planes and
• 24:40
  stuff. And she, as the other woman in
• 24:43
  the movie, is also constantly being molested by a strange man.
• 24:48
  They have multiple scenes of this soldier guy who just keeps
• 24:51
  saying like, you know, I'm giving you all these special
• 24:53
  privileges because you're smart. You know, maybe you got to make
• 24:56
  it worth my while or I'll take it all away.
• 24:59
  And I, I kid you not, despite the literal post apocalypse
• 25:02
  happening, you know how Tank Girl gets this guy to leave her
• 25:04
  alone? She goes up to Jet and kisses
• 25:08
  Jet herself. And the guy's homophobia is so
• 25:12
  strong that it repels him and he leaves.
• 25:16
  What? Yeah, he's, he's busy trying to
• 25:20
  molest this woman, and another woman comes up and kisses that
• 25:23
  woman and he's too disgusted and so he has to go home.
• 25:28
  This. Is not at all what I thought
• 25:29
  this movie was going. To be it's not, it's such a
• 25:33
  bummer. The whole movie is a bummer
• 25:36
  until the second-half and then it becomes like a can't be
• 25:39
  sci-fi movie. Like so she lives in a tank,
• 25:44
  right? Like.
• 25:45
  Eventually she steals a tank. She doesn't even know how to
• 25:47
  drive it at the beginning, but her and Jet eventually escape
• 25:52
  and then Jet has a plane and Tank Girl has a tank.
• 25:55
  OK, see. Like, why is that not where the
• 25:57
  movie starts? Why do we not start there?
• 26:01
  Like, I don't know. That's fun.
• 26:03
  Now we're now we're in the territory of fun where you can
• 26:06
  go to a movie and be entertained.
• 26:09
  Much like how on our show we try to stay in that territory of fun
• 26:12
  rather than this ravine of misery.
• 26:17
  OK, so they get their they get their cool tank and jet and
• 26:21
  they're like, wow, how So they wait, they call themselves that
• 26:26
  after they get those things or that was like already their
• 26:29
  name. And they're like, oh, this is
• 26:30
  convenient. Like now.
• 26:31
  I'm Jack. I'm so glad I found a tank
• 26:33
  because I've been calling myself Tank Girl this whole time and
• 26:34
  all I had were shoes. No, she's they have different
• 26:39
  names. They call Tank Girl Rebecca and
• 26:42
  Jet, they just called Jet. So I think that one's more just
• 26:44
  a coincidence. But then I think at one point
• 26:48
  Tank Girl in the tanks is like, I'm Tank Girl.
• 26:51
  And so she Dons the the title. It's a superhero origin story.
• 26:54
  You know, once you get the tank she get hit by a radioactive
• 26:57
  tank. Yeah, I was going to say maybe
• 27:00
  Girl's her last name. Like before she was Rebecca
• 27:02
  Girl. And now?
• 27:03
  Rebecca Girl and Now. She's tank girl.
• 27:06
  And when they threw her down the torture pipe, she was like, what
• 27:08
  am I, pipe girl? Yeah.
• 27:13
  That's how the movie feels. Like they do this really
• 27:16
  upsetting torture scene. And then her attempt to rebuke
• 27:18
  it is always so like, gotcha. And it's like, you didn't get
• 27:21
  them. You can't.
• 27:23
  Like. OK.
• 27:24
  The movie, I think, is trying to be feminist filmmaking because
• 27:29
  it's been written about in a lot of, like, books and articles
• 27:31
  about its role in, like, feminist film of the 90s.
• 27:34
  And there are certain things it does that show that it was
• 27:37
  leaning that way because despite all of the like, you know, vibes
• 27:41
  of the whole thing, there's no actual explicit content shown on
• 27:45
  screen. Tank Girl as a character is not
• 27:47
  shot in like a suggestive or like, objectifying manner.
• 27:51
  And I do think a lot of the story is supposed to be about
• 27:53
  her, like taking the power back in this deeply problematic
• 27:58
  patriarchal society that she lives in in the post apocalypse.
• 28:02
  But the dynamic of it is too sinister for her, just like
• 28:06
  being sassy to feel like taking the power back, you know what I
• 28:09
  mean? Yeah, totally.
• 28:11
  She can't just be like crying and it's like sobbing and be
• 28:15
  like cowabunga like. Like, that's me.
• 28:20
  That was me watching. Like, was the movie written or
• 28:28
  directed by a woman too? Or is it like, you know, are
• 28:31
  there any like women behind the scenes in the making of the
• 28:34
  film? Because I feel like that would
• 28:36
  be an important distinction as well.
• 28:37
  Good question. The original Tank Girl comic
• 28:39
  series was written by two men. The film was directed by a
• 28:42
  woman. Although she's one of the ones
• 28:45
  who said that like the story got taken out of her hands and there
• 28:47
  was a lot of edits made. And I do think that some of what
• 28:52
  was cut, which I'll get into does suggest that some of the
• 28:55
  more like feminist elements of the visuals were were what was
• 28:59
  removed. Like there was things done
• 29:01
  trying to think of an example, like there's all this stuff
• 29:05
  about women being abused in the movie, but then they also try to
• 29:08
  do things to flip the script with Tank Girl because she
• 29:10
  herself is like a very hypersexual character.
• 29:12
  She's just like constantly making sexual references to
• 29:14
  everybody else. And like, I think her house at
• 29:17
  the beginning, she was supposed to have like a room full of sex
• 29:21
  toys, like as a visual gag. And they, like, cut that out
• 29:24
  because they were like, that's like, that makes people
• 29:27
  uncomfortable. And it's like, oh, OK, like,
• 29:29
  that's uncomfortable. Yeah.
• 29:31
  Which which people does that make you?
• 29:32
  Does that make you uncomfortable?
• 29:34
  Exactly Male. Studio hits, male studio hits.
• 29:37
  Or like there was a scene that I think I read was actually
• 29:40
  present in the theatrical release but was cut in every
• 29:42
  subsequent release, including what I watched.
• 29:45
  Where I'm jumping ahead a bit. Tank Girl ends up with a mutant
• 29:50
  kangaroo boyfriend who is half man half kangaroo.
• 29:55
  I was going to say, when does the mutant kangaroo?
• 29:56
  Boyfriend show up, boyfriend show up.
• 29:59
  And there's a scene in the original cut of the movie that's
• 30:01
  like them in bed together after having had sex.
• 30:03
  And supposedly the company that built all of these very
• 30:07
  impressive like kangaroo mask prosthetics had built like an
• 30:11
  oversized like kangaroo penis is like a joke that was supposed to
• 30:14
  be visible during that scene. And they made them cut that too.
• 30:18
  But it was in the theatrical cut.
• 30:20
  It was supposedly in the theatrical cut, but a lot of the
• 30:23
  things that the studio made the director cut out of the film
• 30:26
  were like phallic imagery done to sort of trivialize men, you
• 30:31
  know what I mean? And like the types of things
• 30:32
  where, if they were still present, would maybe aid in
• 30:35
  making the movie feel more like counterculturally feminist.
• 30:38
  And instead it's like, cut out all the parts that make men look
• 30:41
  silly and leave in all the parts about women getting hurt.
• 30:43
  And then you can release the movie and it's like, oh.
• 30:46
  Yeah. I mean, I mean, I'm at least
• 30:47
  starting to see the, like, overall artistic intention of
• 30:51
  the film now. Like, yeah, before it was, it
• 30:55
  was heavily altered. Yeah, I will say that as far as
• 30:59
  I could tell, I think even if this movie had been released in
• 31:02
  the format that the original authors intended, it still would
• 31:06
  not have been very good because these story structure elements
• 31:08
  are like still poorly arranged. It's it's too much suffering for
• 31:13
  a character we don't know anything about.
• 31:15
  And then ultimately the confidence of the other
• 31:16
  characters get just isn't severe enough to feel like cathartic.
• 31:21
  Like you can tell a story about something really upsetting or
• 31:24
  serious and still make the audience feel like it was worth
• 31:28
  experiencing because it kind of meant something.
• 31:31
  Or like was trying to really elucidate something important
• 31:34
  that happens in the real world and Tank Girl just does not earn
• 31:38
  the right to cover such messed up stuff in what is seen on
• 31:41
  screen. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what
• 31:45
  it sounds like. It's like that.
• 31:47
  That's the thing that's most baffling or confusing to me.
• 31:50
  Is that just that it was structured in such a way.
• 31:53
  Yeah, I, I just don't understand.
• 31:54
  I mean, I, I guess I again, like if that is the point they're
• 31:59
  trying to drive home, if that's the thing they're trying to
• 32:01
  illustrate right away is like what this woman is going through
• 32:04
  in this world. I still think there's another
• 32:07
  way to do that in a way that brings the audience in.
• 32:12
  You know, you have to, you have to lure the audience in to, to
• 32:14
  tell this story, I think. I agree, I think even as even
• 32:20
  the parts of the audience that would naturally be sympathetic
• 32:22
  to everything the authors are talking about, like from the
• 32:25
  jump, that's just not really how a movie works.
• 32:28
  You're trying to take the audience on like an emotional
• 32:30
  roller coaster to land them at a point where they come to the
• 32:33
  conclusion you want them to have.
• 32:35
  It's like inception. You have to like plant the seed,
• 32:37
  but let them have the thought. Whereas Tank Girl just like
• 32:39
  shoves the thought at you. And then then like halfway
• 32:42
  through gets tired of doing that and is like anyway, kangaroo
• 32:45
  guy. And it's like, well hold on, why
• 32:47
  are we now backtracking? Cause the reason that shows up
• 32:51
  is that I mentioned the Rippers are like the evil flesh eating
• 32:54
  monsters. But when Tank Girl and Jet
• 32:56
  finally encounter them, you find out that they are these like
• 33:00
  army experiments gone wrong. And they're just these like
• 33:02
  hippie monster guys who have all these like they look like
• 33:06
  furries. To be honest, they all just look
• 33:07
  like dog man and kangaroo man. But they're totally like nice.
• 33:12
  And well, they're not nice because they all still are kind
• 33:14
  of lecherous and creepy towards all the women, but they're more
• 33:17
  nice. Yeah, nice.
• 33:19
  Nicer than. The.
• 33:20
  Other people we've seen. Yeah, if you take like, sexual
• 33:25
  abuse, it's like a baseline for this world, which you, the movie
• 33:28
  asks you to do, They're still the nice ones in comparison.
• 33:32
  Yeah, yeah, this is reminding me of like, like I'm watching Game
• 33:36
  of Thrones for the first time and that's how I feel about so
• 33:40
  much of that show. I'm just like, I, I get it.
• 33:42
  There's a lot of good storytelling happening here and
• 33:45
  I and I see all of the like, you know, violence and attitudes
• 33:50
  towards women that you're showing in this story.
• 33:52
  It to illustrate a point. But that doesn't make it less
• 33:55
  upsetting to see all the time, especially when you're like
• 33:58
  binging a show like that. And it's like, Oh my gosh,
• 34:01
  another one of these scenes. I don't need to see this again.
• 34:03
  Yep. Yep, Yep, that is exactly how
• 34:06
  watching Tank Girl feels. It's so bizarre how heavily they
• 34:11
  double down on these elements. Like I said, I don't.
• 34:13
  There's a scene. Tank Girl's little kid friend
• 34:16
  gets kidnapped, and they track her down to what is shown to be
• 34:20
  like a strip club. And there's this whole scene
• 34:23
  where, like, they're trying to, like, send that girl away with a
• 34:26
  grown man. And Tank Girl and company stop
• 34:28
  this from happening. And I kid you not, the very next
• 34:31
  thing that happens is they find the woman who runs the club and
• 34:34
  is responsible for this heinous threat of violence against a
• 34:38
  child. And they're like, how are we
• 34:40
  going to pay her back? You know what Tank Girl does?
• 34:42
  She makes her sing a song and then Tank Girl starts singing
• 34:45
  the same song and it literally turns into a song and dance
• 34:48
  number in the middle of the movie.
• 34:51
  Wow. This movie is starting to sound
• 34:53
  weirdly like avant-garde in a way.
• 34:55
  Like it's like, was this AI mean?
• 34:58
  I guess, yeah, You said it was a theatrical release, but it
• 35:01
  sounds like this movie had like higher ambitions almost in terms
• 35:06
  of almost being like a like an art house film.
• 35:10
  Kind of I think it, it almost matches the spirit of the
• 35:14
  original source material in terms of being very like
• 35:16
  confrontational. But again, the edge is missing
• 35:20
  from the whole thing, even in what did get filmed and kept in
• 35:23
  the movie. Like you don't.
• 35:25
  The other funny thing about that scene, not that anyway it's
• 35:28
  especially funny is that they rescue the little kid from
• 35:30
  immediate harm. They do a song and dance number.
• 35:32
  Nothing bad actually happens to the people responsible for that.
• 35:36
  And then in the middle of singing and dancing, they stick
• 35:38
  around for too long and the water and power soldier show up
• 35:41
  and they kidnap the girl again. And it's like, Tanko, that's
• 35:45
  your fault. You did that.
• 35:46
  You sat around literally dancing on a stage.
• 35:50
  And then the kid you saved is now missing and in danger again.
• 35:53
  And it's like, are we supposed to be sympathetic to that?
• 35:54
  Like that was on you. That's on you.
• 35:58
  That's on you. What's her name?
• 36:00
  What was her original name? Rebecca.
• 36:03
  Rebecca girl, that's on you. She'd.
• 36:06
  Call you loser girl. So anyway, I don't story wise.
• 36:13
  You don't need to know the rest man.
• 36:14
  It's just they they meet they meet up with the kangaroo Bros
• 36:20
  who are all like super goofy. Iced tea is in the movie.
• 36:23
  Is one of these guys lawn orders iced tea?
• 36:27
  They're all Kangaroos. Half of them are dogs.
• 36:30
  One of them is a kangaroo. But they just say that it was
• 36:33
  like an army experiment gone wrong and that the army, like,
• 36:37
  tried to kill them all afterwards.
• 36:39
  And then they just ran into this little, like, hippie hideout.
• 36:42
  And, like, one of them's like, reciting poetry and playing the
• 36:45
  saxophone. Like, it feels like somebody's
• 36:48
  weird caricature of, like, hippie liberals, but they're
• 36:53
  supposed to just actually be the good guy characters.
• 36:55
  I'm like, oh, why are they so lame?
• 36:58
  Yeah, so interesting this this movie like to what I was saying
• 37:02
  earlier where you where you take like what is kind of loose
• 37:05
  source material and adapt it. You know, it almost feels like a
• 37:08
  like a Rorschach test of sorts that like, if you gave this
• 37:11
  material to different directors, like what they would give back,
• 37:16
  you know, like what type of film they would make.
• 37:19
  Because there's a lot of interesting elements here to use
• 37:24
  in this story. Like, I like, I like mutant
• 37:26
  kangaroo boyfriend. That's just a funny sentence.
• 37:30
  Like it? Just feels good to say.
• 37:33
  Feels good to say like, you know, it's there's stuff they
• 37:40
  can use in different thematic ways.
• 37:45
  You know, it's like take take these same core elements, take
• 37:48
  the the theming and just see what type of film comes out of
• 37:52
  that. This just seems like and
• 37:54
  unfortunate results I guess. Yeah, and I can place a lot of
• 37:58
  the blame on the studio for forcing the authors to
• 38:02
  compromise their vision. They're also, I haven't touched
• 38:04
  on this yet, a ton of stuff in the movie was never filmed.
• 38:07
  And so the entire thing is actually stitched together with
• 38:11
  hand animated like comic style sequences that you would think
• 38:17
  makes the movie a little more flashy and interesting.
• 38:20
  But they kind of stink and they're all really short and
• 38:22
  they don't properly bridge the gap between certain things that
• 38:24
  were never filmed, and so it just looks bad.
• 38:27
  Oh, I'm sure, because I mean, if you did that intentionally, like
• 38:31
  if, you know, you planned on having animated sequences
• 38:35
  throughout the film to interject at certain, you know, to kind of
• 38:39
  drive home emotional beats or something, that would be
• 38:42
  interesting. But when it's more of like a
• 38:44
  Band-Aid to fix stuff that was supposed to be shot and is not
• 38:48
  there, that just sounds sloppy. I mean, the end of the movie is
• 38:52
  an animated sequence because they didn't film the end of the
• 38:55
  movie. They beat Malcolm McDowell.
• 38:58
  And then the whole imagery that they keep using is like, we're
• 39:02
  going to break open this facility that's storing all the
• 39:05
  water and just kind of let it like run over the desert and
• 39:08
  like rehydrate the world. It's like, First off, the
• 39:11
  drought was not water in Power's fault.
• 39:14
  There's still not enough water. So these people are just going
• 39:16
  to burn through all those resources immediately, and then
• 39:18
  they're all going to die anyway. But the way it's depicted is a
• 39:21
  cartoon sequence of like a giant ocean wave and Tank Girl and her
• 39:24
  kangaroo boyfriend surfing on the wave and.
• 39:26
  And then the movie just ends. Oh.
• 39:29
  She's so she literally surf monkeys.
• 39:31
  She does surf monkey. She surf tanks.
• 39:34
  Yeah, so that's how this episode is going to end.
• 39:36
  Spoilers. It's just going to be an
• 39:37
  animated sequence for like the animated sequence sequence.
• 39:43
  Yeah, I'm going to go to. I'm going to go to art school.
• 39:45
  I'm going to learn how to draw. I'm going to make 47,000
• 39:49
  drawings to show 6 seconds of footage.
• 39:51
  Uh huh. There's going to be a
• 39:52
  significant delay between the recording of this episode and
• 39:55
  when it's released it. Might be 2033 by the time.
• 40:00
  I did it. Still not that good, but I did
• 40:02
  it. Still not that good, probably
• 40:03
  not worth the effort. Tank Girl.
• 40:08
  It's the final pull quotes on the box.
• 40:13
  I mean, that might be it. That might be girl.
• 40:16
  There's more, there's. More but like, there's not, you
• 40:19
  know? Take girls sound sad.
• 40:21
  I don't want to talk about sad assault.
• 40:26
  That's how I felt watching it. So cowabunga, dudes.
• 40:29
  We're going to go to our intermission now, and when we
• 40:32
  get back, Frank's going to talk about what is hopefully,
• 40:35
  hopefully a much more fun film, 1990s Dick Tracy.
• 40:42
  Oh, I got nothing. Well, you got nothing.
• 40:55
  All right, back now from the other side of the break.
• 40:57
  Frank, we turn things over to you to hopefully save this
• 41:00
  episode by talking about 1990s Dick Tracy.
• 41:04
  Save her from what? I don't what's what's the
• 41:06
  problem. What could you just bring
• 41:07
  everybody spirits up? I feel like I'm having a cow
• 41:09
  right now and I would like to no longer have a cow.
• 41:12
  Don't have a cow, man. Like how Tank Girl had a cow and
• 41:16
  then they shot it at the beginning anyway.
• 41:23
  Let's talk about Dick. No, you told me.
• 41:29
  That's what you told me. To do, I did say to do that Dick
• 41:32
  Tracy is also a comic book figure more in line with those
• 41:38
  like pulp action guys that we talked about like The Shadow
• 41:41
  earlier in the season. But once again, maybe not really
• 41:45
  a superhero, am I right? I mean I I.
• 41:47
  Think these guys are superheroes?
• 41:49
  This is big time the shadow. This is like, what if the shadow
• 41:53
  was OK? You know, like.
• 41:57
  What if the shadow was also yellow and cool?
• 42:03
  Yeah, that, that is one of my notes actually about Dick Tracy,
• 42:07
  Unlike the Shadow, which might come up a lot as it has all
• 42:10
  season. For some reason, yeah, it's.
• 42:15
  Just something we're always going to be talking about, it
• 42:17
  seems. It's like, I feel like in the
• 42:20
  Shadow, where we weren't really sure what his superpowers were
• 42:24
  or what he was doing or what was going on.
• 42:27
  Dick Tracy is very simple. It's very straightforward.
• 42:29
  He's just a guy who who dresses like the guy from Curious George
• 42:34
  and and has a watch that he can talk into.
• 42:39
  That's it. What?
• 42:39
  That's it, That's it. Who's on the other side of the
• 42:42
  watch? That's the other thing, his
• 42:45
  random cop buddies also have that communicator watch, but I
• 42:49
  think that was what made him special back in the day.
• 42:51
  I think like in the 1940s or whatever, that was all it took.
• 42:58
  Back when the world had water, that was all you needed.
• 43:01
  Dill had water. There was nothing else going
• 43:03
  wrong in the 1940s. I'm pretty sure nothing at all.
• 43:05
  Yeah. So he had a I'm OK right away.
• 43:09
  I'm guessing this is like, so that they could put
• 43:11
  communicators at the bottom of cereal boxes for kids, right.
• 43:15
  Oh. That sounds awesome.
• 43:16
  I saw a news headline just the other day that Kellogg's is
• 43:18
  bringing back toys and cereal boxes.
• 43:21
  Nice, that'll fix things that'll.
• 43:24
  Fix everything. I was having a really bad day,
• 43:27
  but if I get to the bottom of some Frosted Flakes and they put
• 43:30
  a Dick Tracy communicator watch, I'm going to be like, wow,
• 43:33
  what's that? No, yeah, it's just like a 2
• 43:36
  liter bottle of Surge at the bottom of my Frosted Flakes.
• 43:41
  If only bring back surge. I run the website by the way.
• 43:45
  I know. I figured you were one of the
• 43:46
  six guys. Just try to try to get the word
• 43:49
  out. Yeah, man, that's it.
• 43:51
  That's it. And he, like I said, he's not
• 43:53
  even the only one that hasn't like his friends have them too.
• 43:56
  That's crazy. So his only differentiating
• 44:00
  factor is he has a big yellow coat.
• 44:02
  And a gun, I guess he does a gun.
• 44:04
  I have a gun. But he's just like a cop.
• 44:07
  He's just a cop. Like he's like cool Mr.
• 44:10
  Policeman. Like he's a detective.
• 44:13
  I guess he's a detective. That's why he doesn't dress like
• 44:15
  a regular cop. That's where he wears yellow.
• 44:17
  He's a detective, OK, Yeah. People love cops.
• 44:21
  I feel like that we should remake this now.
• 44:23
  People love cops. Love it the TV show.
• 44:30
  OK, so Dick Tracy 1990, the characters from the 40s, do you
• 44:34
  did you look up much about like his origin or like what he was
• 44:38
  he mostly just a comic book character or did he do like ATV
• 44:40
  show at some point? There was like previous Dick
• 44:44
  Tracy films. I think they were like shorts.
• 44:47
  They were like 30 minute films maybe, but they they were
• 44:50
  released in the 1940s RKO Pictures released I think like 6
• 44:57
  Dick Tracy like movies. And I'm sure there have been
• 45:02
  other adaptations 'cause this is a character name.
• 45:04
  I've heard enough. I I guess like it's a
• 45:09
  recognizable character. I think people would see him and
• 45:13
  kind of know who it is, but he's definitely it's like they they
• 45:20
  should do an Avengers movie really that's just like all
• 45:23
  these like similar characters. You know where it's like Dick
• 45:25
  Tracy, the Shadow Green Hornet, Dark Wing Duck as I.
• 45:31
  Mentioned just a Humphrey Bogart just to balance things out.
• 45:35
  He's kind of there. You're like, I'm not really sure
• 45:37
  you belong here, but you can come too.
• 45:39
  And then Batman honestly is just the best version of this type of
• 45:45
  character. I, I, I think they just kind of
• 45:49
  perfected the formula with Batman.
• 45:52
  And that's why he's so popular, because it's a fun environment.
• 45:57
  It's a fun setting. This like the shadow is, you
• 46:00
  know, it's set, I believe in the 40s.
• 46:03
  And to follow up on him just kind of being a discount Batman
• 46:08
  in a way. Dick Tracy has like a rogue
• 46:10
  gallery and they're just a bunch of weirdos.
• 46:18
  Like there's they're, they're all like mobster, like gangster
• 46:22
  guys, you know, And I'm like, you know, like a Batman where
• 46:27
  it's like Clayface turns into clay.
• 46:30
  And we got Riddler. You know, it's like this is we
• 46:32
  got lips over here because he's got weird lips.
• 46:35
  And this guy, that's literally his name.
• 46:38
  And this guy over here is flat top because his head is flat on
• 46:42
  top. Oh.
• 46:42
  My God, I'm just picturing this turning.
• 46:44
  It's like Dick Tracy, like berates people with like
• 46:47
  deformities and handicaps and them just being like, stop
• 46:49
  giving those people those names. I was thinking that too.
• 46:53
  I'm like, but everyone calls them this like to their face.
• 46:56
  They like people go up to lips and they're like, hey, lips.
• 46:58
  And it's like, don't, I mean, you don't got to like, I'm sure.
• 47:02
  Was he born with that name? Like does he like that because.
• 47:06
  He like that. Yeah.
• 47:07
  Like if he went up to remember in in Steel, his, his partner
• 47:11
  Sparky ended up having to use a wheelchair.
• 47:12
  And like, Dick Tracy walks over and he's like, you must be.
• 47:14
  And they're like no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 47:18
  Slow down. DT Well, I just thought because
• 47:19
  that's what I see and that's all I can ascribe to them is how
• 47:22
  they look. Put the watch away, Dick Tracy.
• 47:28
  I mean, it's the 1940s, so Dick Tracy just being just being an
• 47:32
  old bigot would be pretty funny, honest.
• 47:34
  Pretty accurate, yeah. Maybe that's why all these guys
• 47:36
  don't like him. He's like stop calling me that,
• 47:38
  but I don't know. And they all it's crazy
• 47:42
  prosthetics in this movie too, like all of these guys are
• 47:45
  wearing super exaggerated like prosthetic make up to to
• 47:50
  highlight these features. The whole the whole film has a
• 47:54
  very strong aesthetic vibe that they committed to.
• 47:59
  It's I was and it's very clear watching the movie, but was very
• 48:04
  interesting after the fact too, to kind of look at the
• 48:06
  production ideology that that went into the film because they
• 48:11
  were very committed, I should say.
• 48:13
  Actually the film stars Warren Beatty as Dick Tracy.
• 48:18
  He also directed the movie and produced it.
• 48:22
  So huge part in this film. Like it was it was a film that
• 48:27
  was in sort of a development of health for a really long time
• 48:31
  and kind of bounced around different directors, like it was
• 48:35
  going to be in the hands of different people.
• 48:36
  I think at one point Spielberg was going to make a Dick Tracy
• 48:38
  movie. How interesting.
• 48:41
  I I think they got pretty far along with John Landis was going
• 48:47
  to direct, but then he killed some people, so.
• 48:50
  He did. Let's not elaborate on that at
• 48:52
  all. And they're like.
• 48:56
  It's OK, he killed them by negligence.
• 48:59
  Not it was, just it was. Just an accident that was his
• 49:02
  fault. Don't have a cow about it.
• 49:06
  We've been. Over this cow about it OK, it's.
• 49:11
  Spielberg being attached. Gosh, that's funny.
• 49:14
  Spielberg did do Adventures of Tin Tin at one point, which also
• 49:18
  feels kind of of a similar era of like comic strip characters,
• 49:22
  so that's not a huge surprise. Well, I mean, even Indiana Jones
• 49:25
  kind of falls into that. Like if you're looking at like
• 49:28
  I've always heard him, I don't know the like the exact
• 49:31
  terminology, but it was like like cereal.
• 49:37
  Not like cereal, like the Frost Flakes with the Serge in it, but
• 49:39
  like. You know, like, no, like, yeah,
• 49:44
  like pulp, serial action, short films, I don't know what.
• 49:48
  Right. Yeah, exactly.
• 49:49
  Like that's, that's, you know, it was like they, they, they
• 49:53
  kind of like homaged it even in like Toy Story, two people might
• 49:57
  be familiar with like the the whole Woody's roundup where it
• 50:00
  was like, oh, you know, Woody's going off the Cliff at the the
• 50:03
  end of this episode. TuneIn next time to see what
• 50:05
  happens. You know, it was just like,
• 50:06
  that's kind of what it like Indiana Jones is homaging.
• 50:08
  So that was kind of very much in Spielberg's wheelhouse.
• 50:12
  I like that because you were annoyed, I I suggested you might
• 50:15
  not have heard of Point Break. Now you're telling the audience,
• 50:17
  maybe you've heard of Toy Story 2.
• 50:20
  It's only got like a 99% on Rotten Tomatoes.
• 50:23
  OK, if it had 100 then I'd. Assume you've seen it.
• 50:26
  Now back to these much more popular film Dick Tracy.
• 50:29
  DT1990 yeah, yeah. So again, the visual aesthetic
• 50:37
  of the film, super consistent. They, the film makers knew that
• 50:40
  going in, they had a lot of like kind of strict rules about
• 50:44
  making the movie. There's a lot of like miniatures
• 50:49
  and matte paintings and like bright primary colors.
• 50:54
  I believe there was like a sort of self-imposed rule that they
• 50:59
  only wanted to use like 7 colors in the movie because they're
• 51:04
  trying to like as directly as possible homage these old comic
• 51:08
  strips that had like limited resources.
• 51:11
  Right, right, because we're like a colored print newspaper strip.
• 51:15
  It probably had similar limitations or sorry, this might
• 51:18
  not have been a newspaper comic, but it and I know what you're
• 51:21
  saying though, like a short like nickel comic line thing that
• 51:23
  they would do at the time. I could have been in the
• 51:26
  newspaper, I don't know. I wasn't alive in the 1940s, so
• 51:28
  I don't really know. What was going on?
• 51:31
  I feel like we need somebody older than to talk about the
• 51:34
  film. We would know.
• 51:36
  I'm unqualified. I wasn't even alive in 1990 when
• 51:41
  the movie came out, but the the cinematographer also mentioned
• 51:46
  if you didn't even want to move the camera, like every shot is
• 51:51
  static. There's like no camera movement
• 51:54
  throughout the film because. No, it just sounds like he's
• 51:56
  trying to get out of doing work. He was just like boss.
• 51:58
  I think for the sake of the film, we don't even turn the
• 52:00
  cameras on because. Shoot it wide and I'll be over
• 52:04
  there. I'll be in my trailer, which I'm
• 52:06
  not going to leave because I don't think Dick Tracy would
• 52:09
  want me to. I don't think that's what they
• 52:10
  would have done in the there wasn't a cinematographer in the
• 52:13
  comics. So I mean, what do you want me
• 52:14
  to do? Paycheck still very real, but
• 52:17
  everything else I don't think we should do.
• 52:21
  Like no funny business. Anyway, sorry, let's continue.
• 52:27
  No. No, that's that's exactly
• 52:29
  that's. It's weird that you knew that.
• 52:30
  That's how that conversation. Went it's like this worked on
• 52:33
  Spielberg. He made the movie, just nobody
• 52:35
  saw it because we didn't turn the cameras on.
• 52:36
  Didn't turn the cameras on. It was very avant-garde.
• 52:39
  It was extremely cinematic. You would have loved it if you
• 52:44
  could have seen it. If you could have seen it, OK,
• 52:48
  So very, very faithful, very, very like self-imposed
• 52:52
  restrictions in order to make it feel more authentic.
• 52:54
  Do you think that all of that effort was worthwhile or just
• 52:58
  kind of like unnecessary? I mean, I think it was
• 53:04
  worthwhile. I I think this film has some
• 53:08
  things going for it. It it has.
• 53:10
  I said I was going to compare it to The Shadow.
• 53:13
  The Shadow was a confusing mess. For the most part.
• 53:16
  This movie is is very well structured it it has it's very
• 53:21
  easy to follow. It has a script that works in a
• 53:28
  very traditional three act structure, which like it is
• 53:33
  oddly high praise I guess especially given the last movie
• 53:36
  we talked about. This whole season, that's high
• 53:39
  praise having like a good seriously structure.
• 53:42
  Yeah, movies are bad actually, is my main conclusion.
• 53:46
  Turns out, yeah, unfortunately, but yeah, this one, no, I was
• 53:51
  like, OK, this is great. This is like I, I'm following
• 53:54
  who these characters are. They're like motivations.
• 53:57
  The story is moving at a good pace, but it has this overall
• 54:00
  visual aesthetic that kind of puts it in its own category, its
• 54:05
  own world. I guess it would be similar to
• 54:08
  like a Sin City like it was that mostly black and white film.
• 54:15
  That used like. Some like I think the only color
• 54:19
  that they would use would be red or something like.
• 54:21
  That you're think I'll tell you what you're thinking of
• 54:23
  Schindler's List. Oh, Schindler's List.
• 54:25
  That's right. That's.
• 54:27
  Oh yeah, that's such a fun movie.
• 54:29
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the real double feature.
• 54:31
  Tank Girl and that. Yeah.
• 54:34
  No, no, no, yes. Sin City from the 2000s.
• 54:37
  Actually, they told Steven Spielberg to make Dick Tracy and
• 54:39
  he made Schindler's List. No like that.
• 54:42
  He was like 7 colors. How about 1?
• 54:45
  How about one? Turns out there was other stuff
• 54:47
  going on in the 40s. What an absurd wide reaching
• 54:56
  implication. Spielberg was doing research for
• 55:01
  Dick Tracy that he was making without a camera and then
• 55:03
  accident to World War 2 and was like wait a minute.
• 55:09
  This doesn't look good. Guys did.
• 55:10
  You know. About this.
• 55:11
  In the 40s were not all good. Yeah, yeah, that's that watch
• 55:20
  that he's talking about selling at the end.
• 55:21
  That was a communicator watch. He's like, do you know I could
• 55:24
  have saved more? Oh, such a specific poll for
• 55:32
  children talking about the watch.
• 55:41
  Liam Neeson, they're earning his Academy Award nomination.
• 55:45
  Just going like I could have sold this communicator.
• 55:48
  For. 50 more young ones to get them out of German, More young
• 55:53
  legs. That's good that you brought it.
• 55:58
  You brought it one step further. I thought we were done.
• 56:00
  I thought we were done. But this keeps going.
• 56:06
  I was going to say because they parody that scene in Seinfeld
• 56:09
  specifically too. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 56:13
  I won't get into it. We don't need to get.
• 56:14
  Into the Seinfeld. Reference.
• 56:15
  But series of asides. But it's very funny to me.
• 56:21
  We'll bring it back. We'll bring it back to OK.
• 56:23
  So. Downtown Dick Tracy.
• 56:26
  Downtown Dick. Tracy OK, what is the is it?
• 56:30
  Is the film structured as a detective mystery?
• 56:33
  Is he trying to like, find somebody?
• 56:35
  I assume so, yeah, He's he's no, he's trying to.
• 56:44
  He's trying to bring down the mob.
• 56:47
  OK, OK. And his main antagonist in this
• 56:52
  film is played by Al Pacino. And it is Al Pacino in, again,
• 56:59
  ridiculous prosthetics. And he is giving the most over
• 57:04
  the top, like hammy performance. And at first I'm like, Oh my
• 57:10
  gosh, this is so embarrassing. Like, what are you doing?
• 57:13
  Like, I'm like, I thought your I thought your career took a
• 57:15
  downturn way later than this, Al.
• 57:18
  But. But as the movie goes on, I'm
• 57:21
  like, no, you know what? Actually, he's killing this.
• 57:24
  He's killing this. He's doing this exactly right.
• 57:27
  And turns out he was nominated for an Academy Award for this
• 57:32
  role for. Tracy.
• 57:34
  For Dick Tracy, man downtown Dick he was.
• 57:39
  That's not it. That's not what I call.
• 57:43
  It is. It is, as it turns out.
• 57:46
  Downtown Dicky T. Yeah, they just keep changing it
• 57:52
  throughout the. Movie changing every time.
• 57:54
  So he was, I assume, best supporting Actor nomination for
• 57:57
  Al Pacino. Supporting.
• 57:58
  Actor. Yeah, yeah.
• 58:00
  That's. Crazy.
• 58:01
  Yeah. And what's crazier, this movie,
• 58:04
  the cast is, I feel like I always get into this.
• 58:07
  I always get hung up on the cast, but it's interesting to
• 58:09
  me. It's fun.
• 58:09
  There's a lot of recognizable faces here.
• 58:13
  The rest of this, the rest of the cast of this movie is great
• 58:15
  too. Like he, he's giving a great
• 58:19
  over the top performance. Madonna is in this film and she
• 58:24
  actually gives a wonderful blah blah blah a wonderful
• 58:28
  performance. That's a tongue tied.
• 58:32
  I mean, that's not even the only one.
• 58:35
  Isn't Madonna in A League of Their Own?
• 58:37
  I. Think she is?
• 58:38
  She's good, I. Think Madonna's a good actor?
• 58:40
  Yeah, I think she was in Schindler's List too.
• 58:44
  No, I found the Madonna dance number in the middle of
• 58:48
  Schindler's List to be very ill placed.
• 58:50
  It's a. Bit odd, should've gone at the
• 58:53
  beginning. It's like Tank Girl, but yeah,
• 58:58
  she even she there's like there was a lot of original music
• 59:01
  written for this movie and she performs several songs that I
• 59:04
  think one of the songs may have even won an Academy Award as
• 59:09
  well. So wow, this was a yeah, yeah,
• 59:13
  this this film high, high praise, high praise from the
• 59:17
  Academy for downtown DT. But it was.
• 59:22
  Downtown defensive tackle Dick Drake.
• 59:27
  He's just, he's just listening to the plays in his watch.
• 59:30
  You got to coach. Omaha, Omaha.
• 59:33
  Just like stop. Just stop doing that.
• 59:36
  Just stop. You're ruining everything.
• 59:39
  But there was also like James Caan was in this movie for like
• 59:46
  2 seconds. It was like a cameo because he's
• 59:49
  in like 1 scene. He's one of the gangsters.
• 59:51
  I don't remember if he had like a nickname or anything, but he's
• 59:55
  in the movie, he has like 2 lines and then he just explodes
• 59:59
  and I was like great, that's a rap on James.
• 1:00:02
  That's a rap on Mexican. Your Academy Award is in the
• 1:00:05
  mail. Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  Exactly. Speaking of, Dustin Hoffman is
• 1:00:10
  in this movie also giving a like really stupid performance.
• 1:00:15
  Not not stupid in a good way. Like Al Pacino's comes like all
• 1:00:18
  the way back around to being good.
• 1:00:19
  Dustin Hoffman's is kind of just stupid.
• 1:00:21
  Can I say that despite having no reason to think so, I I don't
• 1:00:27
  like Dustin Hoffman as an actor overall.
• 1:00:29
  This guy has won so many Academy Awards and has been in so many
• 1:00:33
  acclaimed roles, but he was also in Sphere and I feel like that's
• 1:00:37
  the real man. I feel like Sphere Hoffman is
• 1:00:39
  the real Hoffman, and that's all I can see now when I hear his
• 1:00:42
  name. Oh, I forgot about Sphere
• 1:00:44
  Hoffman. Yeah, we also had two, two
• 1:00:49
  people who I would have would have been very excited to see,
• 1:00:51
  but I completely missed them in the movie.
• 1:00:52
  I didn't even know they were there.
• 1:00:54
  The late great Catherine O'Hara was in this movie.
• 1:00:57
  Didn't see her, don't know where she was, but she was apparently
• 1:01:00
  in the movie. I think she might have been in
• 1:01:03
  that same scene with James Caan. I think it might have been like
• 1:01:05
  a sort of intentional cameo. And just like a like a group of
• 1:01:10
  cameos just for one scene. Yeah, possibly, but I really
• 1:01:15
  could not tell you. That's my only guess as to where
• 1:01:17
  she would have appeared in the movie.
• 1:01:19
  Calm. Meany who, dude?
• 1:01:23
  Dude, I swear, I swear to God, I was going to say when you
• 1:01:26
  started saying like people I thought was in the movie, I was
• 1:01:28
  like, well, it's Chief O'Brien in this movie.
• 1:01:30
  Chief O'Brien isn't. This, I was going to guess Chief
• 1:01:32
  O'Brien, if you've given me one guess, I want to say because
• 1:01:35
  because he's been in other movies as like a gangster guy.
• 1:01:38
  He was in some Nick Nolte movie as just like a rando gangster
• 1:01:42
  guy. And so that was my first
• 1:01:43
  thought. I can't believe that was.
• 1:01:44
  Right. But I also missed him.
• 1:01:48
  I could not tell you where he was in this movie.
• 1:01:51
  I would have like, and I don't know if him and Catherine O'Hara
• 1:01:54
  maybe were also in like heavy prosthetic and you just wouldn't
• 1:01:57
  have even recognized them. I think in his case it wouldn't
• 1:02:00
  have been like as a cameo. He was probably just a working
• 1:02:02
  actor who. Because yeah, 1990, I mean,
• 1:02:05
  that's that's probably not long before he got on Next
• 1:02:07
  Generation. That's two Star Trek references
• 1:02:11
  in one episode. We're we're doing great.
• 1:02:14
  Yeah, that's, I mean we're almost at the minimum we we got.
• 1:02:20
  Almost in our quota, yeah. Duh, that's.
• 1:02:24
  Crazy. No one's going to believe me,
• 1:02:25
  but I swear it was in my head while you were saying people who
• 1:02:27
  showed up in the movie and I was like Cole Meanie, Chief O'Brien.
• 1:02:30
  Obviously that's what I would have expected.
• 1:02:32
  Yeah, DS9. Come on.
• 1:02:36
  Yeah, last one too. Dick Van Dyke was in this movie,
• 1:02:39
  which that's just fun. You know, He's also, he's
• 1:02:42
  unfortunately very underutilized.
• 1:02:45
  He's like the District Attorney, I think.
• 1:02:47
  And he's kind of, you know, he's he's he's Harvey Dent.
• 1:02:51
  We get Dick Van Harvey Dent. Dick Van 2 faced.
• 1:02:54
  Dick Van 2 faced Dent and he this is just another like behind
• 1:03:00
  the scenes thing. There's there's a scene he's
• 1:03:03
  only really in a couple scenes, but he gets killed by like Al
• 1:03:06
  Pacino and the gang like halfway through.
• 1:03:09
  And I remember thinking this when I watched the scene, like
• 1:03:12
  they shoot it wide because again, the DP was in his trailer
• 1:03:15
  so. He did not want to go there.
• 1:03:17
  He turned the camera on and he they were like, how's the
• 1:03:19
  exposure? And he was like, I'm getting a
• 1:03:20
  lot of exposure. I'm working on Dick Tracy.
• 1:03:22
  And then he left. He's great crafty could be
• 1:03:25
  better, but you know, we'll talk.
• 1:03:30
  He's so this this scene is shot wide and they just they like
• 1:03:34
  shoot Dick Van Dyke and he takes like a bump.
• 1:03:37
  He like dives backwards basically and you see the whole
• 1:03:41
  thing. It's clearly him and and I
• 1:03:43
  remember watching it and I'm like, that looks like it really
• 1:03:45
  hurt actually, because there's no like crash pad or anything
• 1:03:49
  behind him. You know, he just like jumps
• 1:03:51
  backwards. I think there's like a desk and
• 1:03:53
  like a bed or something. And I was like, oh, that looked,
• 1:03:58
  I mean, good for you Dick that, that looked rough.
• 1:04:00
  And then I found out, like reading afterwards that he broke
• 1:04:02
  his shoulder and doing that scene and I was like, wow, that
• 1:04:07
  is commitment. Did you do you relate to that
• 1:04:11
  scene as someone who just recently dislocated their own?
• 1:04:13
  Shoulder, I was going to say, yeah, I mean, can't relate at
• 1:04:17
  all. It's not like my arm is
• 1:04:18
  currently in a sling as we speak.
• 1:04:20
  Just like me. For real.
• 1:04:21
  For real. Just like me, yeah I'm working
• 1:04:24
  hurt but my boss here made me come in anyway.
• 1:04:27
  I. Was like listen no days off
• 1:04:28
  except for me I took like 2 weeks off to go on vacation but
• 1:04:31
  other than that no days off. Said get your broke arm ass in
• 1:04:34
  here and. Get down here and tell me
• 1:04:38
  everything I want to know about Darkwing Dick Tracy.
• 1:04:41
  Darkwing. Dick Tracy.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. What else do you want to know?
• 1:04:45
  I. Mean yeah, I'm sold.
• 1:04:46
  This movie sounds so much more fun.
• 1:04:48
  I hope that this has been the levity for the audience that has
• 1:04:50
  been for me. After talking about Tank Girl
• 1:04:52
  for 40 minutes, this one sounds fun and nice.
• 1:04:57
  Just just a good time. Yeah, I I won't even get too
• 1:05:01
  much into the plot because it is pretty standard.
• 1:05:04
  There's a fun reveal, I will say.
• 1:05:08
  I mean, if you don't, if you don't mind me just spoiling the.
• 1:05:11
  Whole lot of the film people, we've given them enough.
• 1:05:13
  You can always skip ahead if you don't want to hear spoilers.
• 1:05:15
  Totally, Yeah. So there's an interesting, I
• 1:05:19
  guess, element that the film's really standard back and forth.
• 1:05:24
  Dick Tracy's trying to catch the bad guy Al Pacino, but there's
• 1:05:27
  like this kind of third character who's serving as like
• 1:05:32
  a secondary antagonist who's like sometimes helping Dick
• 1:05:34
  Tracy, sometimes helping out Pacino.
• 1:05:36
  And it's like, this is actually kind of an interesting character
• 1:05:38
  cuz I don't know what the heck they're up to, you know?
• 1:05:41
  And there it's the character is no face cuz again, crazy
• 1:05:46
  prosthetics out of everyone. This is just somebody who looks
• 1:05:49
  like looks like Rorschach from Watchmen, just without the the
• 1:05:53
  Rorschach part, you know? Well, it's like a question.
• 1:05:55
  The original decent character that was who was because
• 1:05:59
  Watchmen was going to have question and then they couldn't
• 1:06:01
  get him so they made Rorschach. Fun fact.
• 1:06:03
  That is a really fun fact. Thank you.
• 1:06:07
  Had a lot of fun. It's like a roller coaster a
• 1:06:10
  little bit. But yeah, so this character is
• 1:06:13
  running around and it's revealed at the end of the movie that
• 1:06:18
  that character is Madonna. It's the it's the other
• 1:06:22
  character. She was playing.
• 1:06:22
  She was playing like a singer in the movie who was kind of being
• 1:06:25
  like held captive almost by Al Pacino.
• 1:06:28
  And she was like this sort of femme fatale type character for
• 1:06:32
  Dick Tracy. Because he he's, he has a
• 1:06:37
  girlfriend in the movie who like kind of a running gag is that
• 1:06:40
  he's trying to like propose to her throughout the whole movie.
• 1:06:42
  But he like, you know, he's super brave in the face of
• 1:06:45
  danger, but he's not brave enough to like, admit his
• 1:06:47
  feelings for her. And, you know, there's some
• 1:06:50
  tension between them because like, Madonna kisses him at one
• 1:06:53
  point, she sees it and she tries to leave town.
• 1:06:55
  And, you know, but yeah, it was like, it was like a fun reveal.
• 1:06:58
  And again, I was reading, there's a lot of interesting,
• 1:07:02
  like I enjoyed watching the movie.
• 1:07:04
  And then there's a lot of interesting reading afterwards
• 1:07:07
  about kind of how the movie came together and what happened
• 1:07:10
  afterwards. And there was a fun bit where
• 1:07:14
  this movie, much like The Shadow, both came after the
• 1:07:19
  first live action Batman, the first Tim Burton Batman movie.
• 1:07:23
  This, this movie, I think is the third movie you've had me watch
• 1:07:28
  this season that Danny Elfman did the score for it.
• 1:07:31
  Really. Because he did.
• 1:07:33
  Which ones? I think he did super girl the
• 1:07:35
  Shadow in this one. Well, there you go.
• 1:07:38
  And in in the case of maybe all of them question mark, I think
• 1:07:43
  they all, he got hired on all of those movies because of what he
• 1:07:45
  did for Batman. Well, Supergirl came first,
• 1:07:48
  right? Supergirl was 84.
• 1:07:50
  Yeah, Yeah, totally. Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  He might have gotten Batman because of Supergirl.
• 1:07:54
  I don't know. That's true.
• 1:07:55
  That's true. Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  But he's he's very much in this like realm of like superhero
• 1:08:00
  movies, but I mean, in Shadow and this it's like he just copy
• 1:08:04
  and pasted like he was in his trailer with the DP, like he was
• 1:08:07
  just like whatever. Leave.
• 1:08:09
  You only get one trailer, Yeah. It's weird, it's really small in
• 1:08:13
  here. It's like a torture tube.
• 1:08:17
  Now OK Danny Elfman music, I mean even copy pasted Elfman
• 1:08:23
  scores got to be great. Yeah.
• 1:08:25
  No, it was. It was great.
• 1:08:26
  It definitely set the tone that they were going for.
• 1:08:30
  But I'm sorry, I was, I got sidetracked from the the earlier
• 1:08:33
  point. I was trying to make the the
• 1:08:35
  movie, much like the Shadow was they was a heavy, heavy
• 1:08:39
  marketing push for it. You know, they wanted to make
• 1:08:42
  like a bunch of action figures and market towards kids and
• 1:08:44
  stuff like that. And I guess an interesting thing
• 1:08:47
  was they released an action figure of no face, but you could
• 1:08:53
  like take the mask off and it showed that it was Madonna.
• 1:08:56
  So it was like, and these toys came out before the movie, so
• 1:08:59
  it's like a big spoiler for the movie.
• 1:09:01
  And so those toys because of that were like pulled off
• 1:09:05
  shelves like almost right away. And now they've become like a
• 1:09:08
  really rare collector's item because they were only sold
• 1:09:13
  briefly and then pulled from the shelves.
• 1:09:16
  So it's like some of them are out there and it's so it's not
• 1:09:18
  rare if you can get like a no face Madonna action figure.
• 1:09:22
  That is really specific. I like that.
• 1:09:25
  Isn't that cool? That's just kind of a neat
• 1:09:26
  little thing. Couple other things that I'll
• 1:09:29
  highlight here. This was the last known use of
• 1:09:39
  yellow screen, as opposed to blue or green screen for visual
• 1:09:43
  effects in a movie, which was a process I was not familiar with.
• 1:09:47
  It was yellow screen. Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, it it was. So it's 1990.
• 1:09:54
  This is the last use of that as a way to superimpose images, you
• 1:09:59
  know, to kind of layer two things on top of each other.
• 1:10:02
  That's pretty ironic that you're trying to like, key out stuff
• 1:10:04
  from a Dick Tracy movie with a yellow screen.
• 1:10:07
  It's like be Honest Steve guys wearing all yellow all the time.
• 1:10:11
  Kind of a problem. Really didn't think this
• 1:10:12
  through. Wonder if the screen was blue
• 1:10:14
  and then that guy invented it right there on the spot.
• 1:10:17
  That's how he invented it, yeah. But yeah, that I thought that
• 1:10:22
  was interesting. This is also like notably like
• 1:10:24
  one of the last major studio blockbuster releases to feature
• 1:10:29
  no CGI effects. They had the the blue screen to
• 1:10:32
  superimpose to images, but there was no visual effects outside of
• 1:10:35
  that. And it was also the first studio
• 1:10:41
  film to use digital audio. So this is all very technical,
• 1:10:44
  but I just find it very interesting because it's like
• 1:10:48
  right at this precipice that we've talked about before in
• 1:10:51
  terms of like a change in studio production filmmaking.
• 1:10:56
  I'm trying to even, yeah, like I don't even know enough about
• 1:10:59
  sound to really have a good grasp of the difference between
• 1:11:01
  analog and digital audio recording.
• 1:11:04
  Like I could conceptualize that obviously they what it would
• 1:11:07
  turn into, but I'm like, what is analog audio recording?
• 1:11:10
  What did that get recorded to Tapes?
• 1:11:15
  Just one of those, one of those like monophone things where you
• 1:11:18
  got to like crank it, you know? Man, that's just a weird moment
• 1:11:22
  where I was like, I have no idea how any of that works.
• 1:11:26
  I'm not super familiar with like audio technology myself, but I
• 1:11:30
  was just reading up on, I believe it might have been
• 1:11:34
  talking to Danny Elfman actually.
• 1:11:36
  And he was talking about how much she hated digital audio and
• 1:11:40
  he hated the shift to what they were doing and how how it
• 1:11:43
  affected things like when you actually were watching the movie
• 1:11:46
  in the theater. So it's, it's like I said, very
• 1:11:49
  technical. But to me, I found it just
• 1:11:52
  really intriguing how like it was like the last and also the
• 1:11:56
  first of some things. And it was right when that kind
• 1:12:00
  of change was happening to everything really going digital
• 1:12:04
  and implementing these new production.
• 1:12:07
  Yeah, I mean, it does seem like the whole movie we, we kept
• 1:12:10
  joking about them, like imposing limitations.
• 1:12:12
  But if anything, that's the film makers like flexing their
• 1:12:16
  abilities to craft a very particular kind of image.
• 1:12:20
  Like you don't do that kind of thing unless you have kind of
• 1:12:22
  complete mastery over of all of it works, or else you just can't
• 1:12:25
  get by with those limitations. So I feel like it's a it's an
• 1:12:29
  impressive film on a technical level, in vain in many ways.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, no, absolutely. It's just, I think it totally
• 1:12:35
  succeeded in what it set out to do, in having a very, very
• 1:12:40
  distinct visual style. It's it's like I said, it's
• 1:12:44
  like, what if the shadow was OK? What if?
• 1:12:46
  The Shadow. Doesn't not good, OK.
• 1:12:49
  Just OK, it's, it's, it's like it's, it's fine, you know, it's
• 1:12:54
  entertaining. It's kind of like standard, very
• 1:12:57
  boilerplate storytelling in a way.
• 1:12:59
  But it has that aesthetic that is unique and familiar because
• 1:13:05
  of all the other things I've mentioned where people have
• 1:13:07
  probably seen it before, and most famously in things like
• 1:13:10
  Batman. Yeah, it's like, especially
• 1:13:14
  given the first half of this episode tonight, I'm all down
• 1:13:17
  for boilerplate. Boilerplate is good.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's exactly.
• 1:13:22
  I was like, I wasn't, you know, this will lead into my score for
• 1:13:25
  the movie, but I was like, I feel somewhat indifferent about
• 1:13:29
  this, but I'm not mad. This.
• 1:13:30
  Is just a movie this is just a movie going experience I can I
• 1:13:34
  can eat my popcorn it's. OK, popcorn, because you're not
• 1:13:37
  busy having a cow. Last thing I'll say that I that
• 1:13:43
  I liked reading about was also to promote this movie and this
• 1:13:49
  feels very this almost feels like how they would release like
• 1:13:54
  short films in conjunction with other things.
• 1:13:57
  This is sort of an old like theatrical release model.
• 1:14:01
  They made a new Roger Rabbit short like animated short To Air
• 1:14:08
  Like or to be screened exclusively before Dick Tracy if
• 1:14:12
  you want to go see the movie in theaters.
• 1:14:14
  Really, I was like, that's great, that doesn't play more.
• 1:14:17
  Roger Rabbit out there. If you play the movie on
• 1:14:20
  streaming, it doesn't include that part.
• 1:14:22
  No, no, no, no, no. I I I watched it.
• 1:14:24
  I on I think one of those services we have to rent it and
• 1:14:27
  that's not part of it at all. I I I, I think too, I remember
• 1:14:31
  reading there was like the whole media releases of this movie
• 1:14:35
  were very sparse. I don't I don't think it even
• 1:14:36
  came on the DVDI think you can find the short online, but
• 1:14:40
  you're not going to find it paired with I found a trailer I
• 1:14:44
  like. I went on YouTube and I found a
• 1:14:45
  trailer that was like because I typed in the name of that Roger
• 1:14:47
  Rabbit short and it was like a trailer for like, you know, see
• 1:14:51
  Dick Tracy and also exclusively see this Roger Rabbit like
• 1:14:55
  animated feature before. Yeah, that's fun.
• 1:14:59
  I do think that is a a lost art. Reminds me of the a lot of the
• 1:15:04
  like late 90s early 2000s Disney Pixar films had little animated
• 1:15:07
  shorts at the. Beginning.
• 1:15:08
  Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's exactly like that,
• 1:15:10
  yeah. It's such a cool little.
• 1:15:12
  Touch Like for instance, you might have heard of this movie
• 1:15:15
  called Toy Story 2. They did make a second one, I
• 1:15:19
  don't know if people knew that but there was 2 and maybe more.
• 1:15:22
  And maybe three more. OK, cool, I I'm sold on Dick
• 1:15:31
  Tracy. I might go watch it just to
• 1:15:33
  cheer myself up. Yeah, no, it's, I think you
• 1:15:36
  would like it. I I think you would enjoy it not
• 1:15:41
  be over the moon, but if yeah, exactly.
• 1:15:44
  If you need if you need something to cleanse your palate
• 1:15:46
  from tech girl, Dick Tracy would be perfect.
• 1:15:51
  Just a just a bit of DT when you're on the DL.
• 1:15:54
  Just yeah. What?
• 1:16:02
  OK, right, that was a fun conversation about Dick Tracy.
• 1:16:05
  Definitely pick me up after the first half of the show, which is
• 1:16:09
  bumming me out. So we now move into final scores
• 1:16:12
  and wrap up. And as a reminder for everybody,
• 1:16:14
  this is the last episode in our Forgotten Superheroes season.
• 1:16:17
  So after we give scores for these individual movie picks, we
• 1:16:20
  can see who cumulatively had the better picks and is the winner
• 1:16:24
  of the whole season. I mean, I'm, I'm optimistic, I
• 1:16:28
  feel like. Dude, Tank girl is sailing in 10
• 1:16:31
  out of 10 Tank girl. I guess I do have to start
• 1:16:35
  because I went first for the review.
• 1:16:37
  I don't know what to make of tank girl.
• 1:16:39
  Like, I can tell based on the original comic source material
• 1:16:45
  and what the director had said, that they were trying to make
• 1:16:47
  something that actually had kind of a message to it.
• 1:16:51
  And I think that that message was lost both because of the
• 1:16:54
  studio meddling that made them, like, soften the edges of only
• 1:16:57
  some of it and not the rest. But I also think that even if
• 1:17:00
  they made exactly what they wanted, it just would not have
• 1:17:02
  landed for a number of reasons. Like the tone of the movie was
• 1:17:07
  lopsided from the beginning and it was too like silly and cutesy
• 1:17:12
  at points to also have such like oddly disturbing imagery in it.
• 1:17:19
  Not like what was shown on screen was that disturbing, but
• 1:17:21
  just like conceptually upsetting material.
• 1:17:25
  And I just, I don't know, I think it was ill conceived.
• 1:17:28
  This is how I would describe the whole movie.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah. Oh, sure.
• 1:17:31
  Absolutely. I.
• 1:17:32
  Mean it. Sounded very dour.
• 1:17:35
  And I just felt bad watching it, like it was not ever fun.
• 1:17:40
  And it it almost felt worse that in the second-half they tried to
• 1:17:43
  like, pick up everything because once those goofy furries show
• 1:17:46
  up, they're acting all silly furries.
• 1:17:50
  There's a line in there I forgot to mention that I thought was a
• 1:17:52
  joke where they're talking to the rippers who are just these
• 1:17:57
  like goofy animal guys. And their lore is a little
• 1:18:00
  confusing because they imply that they were an experiment
• 1:18:02
  gone wrong where they tried to fuse humans with like animal
• 1:18:04
  DNA. But then they also all at one
• 1:18:06
  point say they have been reincarnated.
• 1:18:09
  So I'm like, were you dead bodies that they tried to fuse
• 1:18:11
  with animal DNA? Like, how does that work?
• 1:18:15
  But they asked him, like, what they used to do before the
• 1:18:17
  experiments. And then they turned to Ice T,
• 1:18:20
  who's like the grumpy one. And they're like, well, what did
• 1:18:22
  you used to be? And he said, I was a cop.
• 1:18:23
  I was like, is that a Law and Order joke?
• 1:18:26
  It turns out the movie came out before he started on Law and
• 1:18:29
  Order. So I was like, oh, that was just
• 1:18:30
  like a fortuitous joke. What fortuitous circumstance
• 1:18:34
  through this. Yeah, check out our unrecorded
• 1:18:40
  45 minute conversation this morning about the Pirates of the
• 1:18:43
  Caribbean movies for more on that.
• 1:18:44
  You see, we didn't record it because we were trying to be
• 1:18:49
  authentic to the original material, like Dick Tracy.
• 1:18:52
  Like, exactly like Steven. Steven Spielberg likes to do it,
• 1:18:55
  you know. Spielberg was in.
• 1:18:56
  He blocked the whole thing. And then he was like, all right,
• 1:18:58
  turn those cameras off and go home.
• 1:19:02
  That's how film. Making's done, so Tank Girl,
• 1:19:05
  like, I don't have good things to say, but I'm worried about
• 1:19:09
  being too harsh because I think the movie was going for
• 1:19:11
  something and I want to give it credit for that.
• 1:19:15
  Even so, Tank Girls, Tank Girls A2 out of 10, it's just totally
• 1:19:20
  Tank Girl bombed. Why are you excited about this?
• 1:19:29
  I don't know. I don't know why I did that.
• 1:19:31
  It was just such an unexpected 2.
• 1:19:34
  It's only the second time in this podcast that we've given
• 1:19:36
  something that low of a score, the other one being Hoffman's
• 1:19:40
  fear, which may be more frustrated than Tank Girl did
• 1:19:44
  because it was just like, so tedious to watch.
• 1:19:46
  But Tank Girl, I think just, like, should not be seen.
• 1:19:49
  I think we are worse off for it being here.
• 1:19:54
  Yeah, yeah, it's a big two. It's a big 2 / 2 two two.
• 1:19:59
  That's almost a one. Which is first place over to
• 1:20:02
  Dick Tracy? Oh, you're right.
• 1:20:04
  It's like golf scores. You just flip it backwards.
• 1:20:06
  Did we not mention we're doing golf scores?
• 1:20:08
  Golf scores this season. That's been my strategy,
• 1:20:10
  actually. So I've been recommending bad
• 1:20:13
  movies. All right, Yeah, over to you,
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  Dick Tracy. I'm going to guess better than
• 1:20:18
  A2. Yeah, definitely, definitely
• 1:20:21
  better than A2. Dick Tracy was just a very movie
• 1:20:29
  movie. It was a it was a movie
• 1:20:32
  experience. You know what watching a movie
• 1:20:34
  is like? It was like that.
• 1:20:36
  I don't because I was watching Tank Girl but I would like to.
• 1:20:38
  I'm sorry. Yeah.
• 1:20:39
  Well, watch Dick Tracy and you'll kind of get a sense of
• 1:20:41
  what a movie is. I'm.
• 1:20:45
  I gave it A-77 for. Yeah.
• 1:20:49
  I mean, like, I may have kind of even undersold it because I
• 1:20:53
  didn't get too much into the story of the movie, but I think
• 1:20:57
  I gave you maybe a good idea that it it's a pretty standard
• 1:21:03
  narrative with a lot of stylistic flair and execution.
• 1:21:08
  And I I think maybe unlike Tank Girl, it knew what it wanted to
• 1:21:14
  be and it did that. So to me, very standard, like
• 1:21:20
  didn't love it, but definitely didn't hate it falls into that,
• 1:21:24
  you know, very middling range, which is like kind of between A6
• 1:21:28
  and A7. But I'm I'm going to give it a
• 1:21:30
  seven. It was it was a unique enough
• 1:21:31
  experience. Yeah.
• 1:21:33
  I feel like that is still high price.
• 1:21:36
  Like anything that to make a movie even remotely good is very
• 1:21:39
  difficult. So it's not like, you know,
• 1:21:42
  it's, it's demeaning, something to say like, yeah, it's a six,
• 1:21:45
  it's a 7. It's like, no, that's pretty
• 1:21:46
  good, yeah. I, I would watch Dick Tracy
• 1:21:50
  again. So I feel like that, you know,
• 1:21:52
  that's says a lot, I think, yeah.
• 1:21:56
  And I do like, I love that about this show.
• 1:21:58
  Is that because of it, we're both watching stuff all the time
• 1:22:01
  that we would never sit down for otherwise just because we didn't
• 1:22:06
  know about it or like, it doesn't draw enough attention to
• 1:22:09
  like, compel us to put it on. But at this point, we've talked
• 1:22:12
  about like 30 movies between the two of us in these long form
• 1:22:14
  reviews. And I'm like happy to have seen
• 1:22:16
  all of them except for Sphere and Tank Girl.
• 1:22:23
  Sphere. Sphere was worse though, right?
• 1:22:25
  I mean. Sphere was worse because it was
• 1:22:28
  a similar thing where the movie just like didn't come together
• 1:22:30
  and was not finished. Tank Girl made me more upset but
• 1:22:36
  Sphere I think made me more angry.
• 1:22:39
  OK. That is, that is a distinction.
• 1:22:42
  Angry versus upset, sphere versus Tank Girl.
• 1:22:45
  It's going to be our like champion of champions match up
• 1:22:49
  down the road. It's just like, which would be
• 1:22:50
  worse? That would be fun at some point
• 1:22:53
  if we did like a bracketed tournament with all these
• 1:22:55
  movies, you know? That would be fun.
• 1:22:57
  We are always looking for for like side content because I
• 1:22:59
  think you and I have fun. We've seen so many movies that
• 1:23:02
  because of the premise of the show, we don't talk about.
• 1:23:04
  It's like movies we've never seen before.
• 1:23:07
  So I like finding other ways to to rope in other stuff.
• 1:23:10
  Yeah, I mean, check, check out our re Mem series.
• 1:23:13
  Check out RE MEM, but we're trying to get RE Mem going as an
• 1:23:16
  acronym so we don't have to say ranking every movie ever made
• 1:23:20
  every time it comes up. So check out REMEM 2 available
• 1:23:23
  now. We ranked eleven more films
• 1:23:25
  randomly drawn out of a hat. Pretty funny.
• 1:23:28
  I thought so. I thought so.
• 1:23:29
  Yeah. All right, Frank, that brings us
• 1:23:32
  to the end of this episode of Meet Your Double Feature.
• 1:23:34
  But it's also the end of the season.
• 1:23:36
  We have done 6 episodes now talking about forgotten
• 1:23:39
  superhero films. And Are you ready to find out
• 1:23:42
  who won the season overall? Oh man, you know, I mean like I
• 1:23:47
  got my acceptance speech ready. I want to.
• 1:23:50
  Thank your nominees are Al Pacino.
• 1:23:53
  Al Pacino, best supporting actor for playing goofy mobster guy
• 1:23:57
  whose name I don't remember in the movie.
• 1:24:01
  I want to thank him. You're.
• 1:24:04
  Giving up thanks while they're naming the nominees.
• 1:24:07
  I'm like up on stage. It's like overlap.
• 1:24:11
  They're playing the music too, to try and play me off.
• 1:24:14
  While they're still naming the nominees, they're.
• 1:24:16
  Like trying to play clips from the movies and they're like,
• 1:24:17
  this is a great scene that got up there right now.
• 1:24:19
  I should really check it out. I like that one.
• 1:24:21
  I haven't seen this movie but that was pretty good.
• 1:24:25
  Who's this guy in the front row? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:27
  What's he want? What's his deal?
• 1:24:29
  You don't recognize Al Pacino because he doesn't have.
• 1:24:32
  The make up on him, yeah. All right, well, not to
• 1:24:36
  disappoint you, but because I won today's episode for having
• 1:24:40
  picked the movie that got the higher score, I also held on to
• 1:24:43
  my lead for season 2. So after six episodes, 6 films,
• 1:24:47
  each movies you selected Frank had a total score of 25, which
• 1:24:52
  means on average they were getting less than a 5 out of 10.
• 1:24:57
  Which is not our fault, all right?
• 1:24:59
  We don't need your math in here. OK?
• 1:25:01
  This is a movie review show. That's a good point.
• 1:25:04
  None of us were good at STEM. My movies got a combined total
• 1:25:08
  of 33, so it was actually really close until this episode.
• 1:25:11
  We had quite a quite a stratification here because Dick
• 1:25:14
  Tracy was better than even I thought it would have turned
• 1:25:16
  out. Look, leave Trish Stratus out of
• 1:25:19
  this too. OK, boy.
• 1:25:24
  OK, so I listen. I don't feel good about it.
• 1:25:28
  I don't feel good about the fact that I won by kind of a
• 1:25:31
  landslide this time, especially because we didn't set up prizes.
• 1:25:35
  Yeah, that's true. I, one of my friends who's been
• 1:25:39
  listening to the show, he texted me recently and he was like, he
• 1:25:43
  texted me and he was like, when are you going to watch the
• 1:25:45
  prophecy movies? And I was like, oh Dang,
• 1:25:48
  somebody's holding me accountable to that Season 1
• 1:25:50
  wager that we made. Yeah, that if you weren't
• 1:25:53
  listening, then at the end of Season 1 we said that whoever
• 1:25:56
  lost had to watch the other 4 direct to video prophecy films.
• 1:26:01
  And Frank, that is on you. But we haven't really done it
• 1:26:04
  yet because we're trying to find a way to make it into content
• 1:26:06
  that's not just me being like and then what happened and then
• 1:26:08
  what happened. So I think I've got ideas for
• 1:26:13
  that, which it'll come out later.
• 1:26:16
  We haven't forgotten about it. But to be honest, there's not
• 1:26:18
  enough people holding this accountable, so I don't feel a
• 1:26:20
  big hurry. We.
• 1:26:23
  Will get there, yeah. Let us know in the comments if
• 1:26:25
  you're really waiting to hear about Prophecy 2 through 5.
• 1:26:29
  It's important lore for the show.
• 1:26:31
  And we will, we will come back to it.
• 1:26:32
  It's like, it's like one piece. You just got to wait like 20
• 1:26:35
  years for it to come back around.
• 1:26:37
  Yeah. Takes 20 years and at the end
• 1:26:39
  you're like, I guess we're so back.
• 1:26:41
  I don't know if we're back. I've forgotten where we were I.
• 1:26:44
  Don't know if anybody wanted this in the 1st place, but here
• 1:26:47
  we are. OK, well that wraps us up for
• 1:26:50
  Season 2. We have not yet announced the
• 1:26:53
  premise for season 3 and part of the reason is because we have
• 1:26:56
  not finalized the premise for season 3.
• 1:26:59
  So this is a good chance I haven't even thought.
• 1:27:01
  Well OK, I've thought about it, but.
• 1:27:05
  I, I just show up. I just do what he tells me to.
• 1:27:07
  Frank shows up, turns the camera off and goes back to his
• 1:27:09
  trailer. That's what we're an audio only
• 1:27:11
  show. So I think what we'll do, we
• 1:27:13
  have some supplemental content coming out in our next pair of
• 1:27:16
  episodes. We have another ranking.
• 1:27:18
  Every movie ever made. Another remem coming up soon as
• 1:27:21
  well as a new bonus series that I want to kick off that Frank
• 1:27:25
  you and I are going to record soon.
• 1:27:27
  I'll say right now it has something to do with a childhood
• 1:27:30
  favorite film of ours. What are the live action?
• 1:27:33
  No, we're going to be doing a special episode about the live
• 1:27:41
  action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies because we've
• 1:27:44
  seen them 600 times and I had an I had an angle to talk about
• 1:27:47
  those from. So we're going to come out with
• 1:27:48
  that soon, and then probably in another month and 1/2 or so,
• 1:27:52
  we'll start Season 3. And what that means is that you,
• 1:27:55
  the audience, can help us decide what our premise is for the next
• 1:27:58
  season. So if you've been listening
• 1:27:59
  along, you have an idea, a type of film you want us to talk
• 1:28:02
  about, let us know. Leave it in the comments.
• 1:28:04
  Text Frank directly, whatever you need to do.
• 1:28:06
  I'm going to put his phone number on screen now.
• 1:28:11
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Throw that up there.
• 1:28:13
  Make a part of the animated sequence that we'll.
• 1:28:15
  Have Oh, that's right. We have to have an animated
• 1:28:16
  sequence to end the movie. Oh boy.
• 1:28:20
  Or not in the movie, in the podcast.
• 1:28:21
  Yeah. So now we're going to do 5
• 1:28:22
  minutes of our animated podcast outro.
• 1:28:26
  And if you don't happen to see it.
• 1:28:29
  It's on you. It's on you, I'm going to say.
• 1:28:31
  You got to believe, all right? It's like Tinkerbell and.
• 1:28:33
  Peter, clap kind of clap. Do believe in fairies.
• 1:28:38
  OK, Frank, any, any closing thoughts about our superhero
• 1:28:42
  season? It didn't go the way I thought
• 1:28:44
  it would. It was really interesting that,
• 1:28:50
  I mean, I guess, I guess I mean that in a good way too, because
• 1:28:54
  we watched movies. I think they all fit that
• 1:28:57
  criteria, which was kind of a big thing for at this at the
• 1:29:00
  beginning. Like it's got to be a superhero
• 1:29:02
  movie of some kind, or at least a comic book movie, That girl.
• 1:29:08
  But I feel like we watched a really interesting variety,
• 1:29:11
  which is almost like, or I should say always the most
• 1:29:14
  important thing to me. I, I liked our first season a
• 1:29:17
  lot because we were talking about 90s movies and that was
• 1:29:19
  such a big pool to pull from. And I feel like we made this
• 1:29:23
  season shorter because we had a narrower focus of what types of
• 1:29:26
  movies we were going to talk about.
• 1:29:27
  But it still got us a good spread of of different things.
• 1:29:31
  So we talked about, I liked that some international films we got
• 1:29:33
  to rope in some of our background in stuff like Power
• 1:29:36
  Rangers, talking about tokasatsu films.
• 1:29:38
  We talked about the, like, noir characters, a couple of, like,
• 1:29:41
  regular superheroes, like Supergirl.
• 1:29:43
  I think it was fun, yeah. Totally.
• 1:29:46
  I enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to next
• 1:29:48
  season. Once you tell me what that is,
• 1:29:49
  I'll be here. Figure out what it is going to
• 1:29:53
  be. As my arm heals, I'm sure he'll
• 1:29:56
  be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:57
  Ready to play again? Put me in couch Yeah.
• 1:30:02
  Ranks injured reserve right now while we figure out Season 3 in
• 1:30:06
  the meantime. Defensive tackle Dick Tracy in
• 1:30:08
  my place. Defensive tackle Dick Tracy.
• 1:30:10
  That's right. It's not big enough.
• 1:30:12
  It's not big enough to be a TT. He's going to get bowled over.
• 1:30:14
  What a loser. A loser.
• 1:30:18
  Step on his dumb watch. OK, I'll do it for Season 2 of
• 1:30:26
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• 1:30:30
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• 1:30:32
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  And then, Frank, you have one more update about your
• 1:30:58
  independent feature, right? I do.
• 1:31:01
  I'd forgotten about that. This man, Yeah.
• 1:31:04
  Where do you go I'm. Just in the trailer, hanging out
• 1:31:09
  with, you know, Stanny Elfman and.
• 1:31:11
  Thinking out in the Elfman trailer, Thinking about nothing.
• 1:31:14
  Just thinking about nothing to start off into space yeah.
• 1:31:17
  So Nate and Mariah in Venice is currently streaming on Amazon
• 1:31:21
  Prime Video and starting May 5th will also be available to watch
• 1:31:26
  for free with ads with limited ad breaks on Tubi.
• 1:31:31
  There you go, which is. Great.
• 1:31:32
  I love fantastic big. Tubi fans here.
• 1:31:35
  Big Tubi. Fans and I do think that looking
• 1:31:40
  at our schedule, this will be out after May 5th.
• 1:31:42
  So if you're hearing this episode, it is now available to
• 1:31:44
  stream on Toby free with ads, which means that if you're
• 1:31:47
  interested in the film, you can check it out.
• 1:31:49
  No barrier to entry. Give it a watch, text Frank
• 1:31:51
  directly. We're going to put his phone
• 1:31:52
  number back on the screen. Let him know what you thought.
• 1:31:55
  Please do. Yeah.
• 1:31:56
  Please send me your reviews. You don't.
• 1:31:58
  You don't even have to log into Toby.
• 1:32:00
  That's the great thing. That's true.
• 1:32:01
  No barrier to entry. It's right there, and there's
• 1:32:05
  really only one movie on there worth watching.
• 1:32:07
  But you know, it's a good app. You know it's funny.
• 1:32:10
  Guess where I watch Tank Girl? Did you watch it on Tubey?
• 1:32:13
  It was on Tubey all right. Let's go.
• 1:32:16
  So skip over that. Do not watch Tank Girl please
• 1:32:19
  watch Nate and Mariah in Venice independent feature film.
• 1:32:22
  Franco produced and was the cinematographer on he he turned
• 1:32:25
  the camera on. I did, I did remember to do
• 1:32:28
  that. There was no studio involvement
• 1:32:30
  in that one either, unless you know, you count us as, you know,
• 1:32:33
  the the studio, in which case we were very involved.
• 1:32:36
  So. Studio meddled in your own
• 1:32:38
  production. Yeah.
• 1:32:43
  All right. Well, that's exciting news.
• 1:32:45
  Thank you so much for joining us.
• 1:32:46
  And we will be back in two weeks.
• 1:32:48
  We're not taking any time off, but we'll be back with some
• 1:32:49
  supplemental content in two weeks.
• 1:32:51
  Join us again in a couple more weeks and we'll be back with
• 1:32:54
  Season 3. I don't I don't see the the
• 1:32:59
  animation. I think I've I think I've lost
• 1:33:01
  my child like innocence after hearing about Tank Girl.
• 1:33:18
  Coming up next, it's a new episode of ranking every movie
• 1:33:22
  ever made. Stay tuned for more, and thanks
• 1:33:25
  for listening to Meet Your Double Feature.