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The Mafia and RHONJ with Kim D · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: It's Dunaidial. Where? Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 2: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean... Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 1: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else. Heather MacDonald
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, this interview that
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  Speaker 1: I did is super juicy. It is with Kim D.
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  Speaker 1: You might remember her from Real Housewives of New Jersey,
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  Speaker 1: but actually she has a crazy life story about growing
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  Speaker 1: up in the mob and who she married, how she
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  Speaker 1: got out, and then how she found herself on the housewives.
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  Speaker 1: And we get her raw perspective of what is going
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  Speaker 1: on to happen with New Jersey, the future, her opinion
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  Speaker 1: on everyone from Melissa to, of course, Teresa. We get
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  Speaker 1: into Dina Manzo and her sister, Caroline. I really found
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  Speaker 1: this to be fascinating. Whether you follow the New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: Housewives or not, you will find this interview very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And again, remember to go to heathermcdonald.net for all my
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  Speaker 1: at heathermcdonald.net. All right, now for Kim D from New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have returned guest,
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  Speaker 1: Kim D, the famous Kim D from New Jersey. Get
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  Speaker 1: real with Kim D. author. She has a book coming out.
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  Speaker 1: She did Juicy Scoop. We did it, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how many years ago, maybe four years ago. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to talk to you. Lots going on in New
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  Speaker 1: Jersey and with you. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. So you gave me inspiration for
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  Speaker 2: the book.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: You were the first person to ask me who the
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  Speaker 2: big boys were. Yeah. So I want to thank you
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  Speaker 2: for that.
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  Speaker 1: And let's start. Who are the big boys? You explain the.
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  Speaker 2: Big, the big boys.
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  Speaker 4: If they really want to know exactly who they were
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  Speaker 4: in my life, they can buy my book, my life
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  Speaker 4: with the big boys, but it consists of politicians, gangsters,
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  Speaker 4: like just all kinds of people that like.
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  Speaker 2: Major businessmen, millionaires, billionaires, Just all kinds of people, including
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  Speaker 2: my mother and my grandmother who raised me. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? So I consider them my big boys.
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  Speaker 2: They were my first.
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  Speaker 4: So, but when you see the book, you'd understand what
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  Speaker 4: I meant. And that just blurted out of my mouth.
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  Speaker 4: I had never said that before until I was yelling
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  Speaker 4: at Joe Gorga.
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  Speaker 2: I had never said that before.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like you basically, you know, have been, you were featured
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  Speaker 1: a lot in the first couple seasons. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: been very vocal with the podcast as guests. And you
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  Speaker 1: were on another podcast, which I want to ask you about.
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  Speaker 1: Now you have your own. And, you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: always kind of confusing, I think, as someone who watches it.
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  Speaker 1: But look, I'm a big fan. I know all the players.
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  Speaker 1: I've watched every season. But I'm still like, who you
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  Speaker 1: had issues with? Now you're really close with Teresa. Did
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  Speaker 1: you ever have an issue with her?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about like your journey between the hair being
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  Speaker 1: pulled at your famous fashion shows, all of it. Like
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  Speaker 1: just walk us through where you are now with all
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  Speaker 1: the players.
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  Speaker 4: Started being very close with Teresa. Very close, okay?
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  Speaker 2: To the point where she would admit, she would call
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  Speaker 2: me like 17 times a day.
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  Speaker 4: We were on the phone till all hours of the
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  Speaker 4: night while she was folding clothes.
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  Speaker 1: While the show was filming it?
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  Speaker 4: While the show was on, we were filming like the
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  Speaker 4: next day. So we'd be talking the night before, me, her,
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  Speaker 4: Jacqueline Loretta. And then Jacqueline would like want to go
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  Speaker 4: to sleep and I'd be on the phone like, oh, please, Teresa,
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  Speaker 4: let me sleep. Long story short, she makes up with
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  Speaker 4: her family, Joe and Melissa. I was told by certain
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  Speaker 4: producers and people that she's like, I don't need Kim
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  Speaker 4: D anymore. And it doesn't really look good because she was, she,
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  Speaker 4: you know, went against my family.
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  Speaker 2: And now I want to make up with my family.
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  Speaker 2: She said to me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm just going to, I am going to be
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  Speaker 1: interrupting you and backing up just so I, I want
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  Speaker 1: the listeners to not like be confused. She made up
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  Speaker 1: with her family. What year are we talking? Is this
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  Speaker 1: before or after she went to prison? So she made
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  Speaker 1: good with Joe and Melissa.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And she's still married to Joe Giudice. Right. They make good.
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  Speaker 1: And so then you're told- she told by producers, but
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  Speaker 1: not by her to like, don't expect these late night
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  Speaker 1: calls anymore or what?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I still had phone calls from her, but I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't called back as a friend. I just was, I
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  Speaker 2: just on, on, on show, right on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 4: So at first, because she was going to prison, I
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  Speaker 4: let it go. I was very hurt, but I let
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  Speaker 4: it go. I'm like, you know, the poor girl, she
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  Speaker 4: got to leave her, her children, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: She comes home from prison and like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it was awkward now. It was awkward. So I went
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  Speaker 2: to see her, whatever. And then I'm hearing more through
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  Speaker 2: the grapevine. Now I'm starting to get like a little
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  Speaker 2: more annoyed, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So what are you what are you hearing?
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  Speaker 4: I'm just hearing like I don't really know what I'm
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  Speaker 4: I'm just hearing some rumbling because I'm very close friends
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  Speaker 4: with all these people rumbling that like, you know, that
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  Speaker 4: me and her aren't really close.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, everything's so great with her, Melissa. And
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  Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't true. And I was getting like
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  Speaker 2: I'm just that little things like that annoy me.
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  Speaker 4: Like the big thing of me losing a job, you
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  Speaker 4: would think that would have annoyed me. But it was
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  Speaker 4: the little things. So now Bravo calls me back and says,
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  Speaker 4: will you come back on?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, how many years ago is this? Or like, what
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  Speaker 1: season is this? I don't know. What season are we
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  Speaker 1: into now?
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  Speaker 3: 13, 16?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is 13.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to say maybe season seven, eight. It was
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  Speaker 4: right after the twins.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the twins.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, right.
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  Speaker 1: Where are they?
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  Speaker 2: Listen, right after the twins.
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  Speaker 1: I love, I love, sometimes I love a one hit wonder.
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: For the people that are Bravo historians, but they were
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  Speaker 1: the two hit wonder. They were two of them that
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  Speaker 1: only did one season. That was so bizarre. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: go on.
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  Speaker 2: Bizarre with Amber. Remember Amber Marquesi?
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  Speaker 1: Amber and the horrible husband.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever find out if the horrible husband who
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  Speaker 1: was the DA, there was always rumblings that like, did
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  Speaker 1: he have anything to do with, um, Teresa's legal troubles
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  Speaker 1: and conviction being that he was a DA or a
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  Speaker 1: lawyer or something.
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  Speaker 4: I think he just knew. I don't think he was
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  Speaker 4: like in the same. I think he just knew, you know,
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  Speaker 4: so he knew some inside stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, so now I'm like rumbling because I heard
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  Speaker 2: when Teresa was away and I said this for many
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  Speaker 2: years that Joe Giudice was cheating. Now I live in
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  Speaker 2: the next town from them. So, and my friends are
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  Speaker 2: all single. So they would go out to places and
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  Speaker 2: see him.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So I know this.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to hear what like at a bar,
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  Speaker 1: like way too flirty with a girl or even possibly
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  Speaker 1: on a date. What would they see?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Kissing, you know, they were together. Yeah. And it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of the girl that we all thought it was. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so there was, there wasn't multiples. There was one.
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  Speaker 2: And now one specific.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the one he was talking to in
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  Speaker 1: the vineyard on the phone where he goes, my bitch
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  Speaker 1: wife is coming.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And who was that girl? Like, not to say her name,
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  Speaker 1: but like, what was her story? Was she Teresa's age?
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  Speaker 1: Was she did she did she have a job? Was
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  Speaker 1: she married? Like, what was her?
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  Speaker 2: She was not married. She was younger. She looked like Teresa.
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  Speaker 4: And the rumor was and I'm not sure that she
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  Speaker 4: had babysat once or twice for the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's the worst.
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  Speaker 2: That was the rumor. That was one. There were a few,
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  Speaker 2: but that was the one I knew about. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So now they come to me and they know that I'm,
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  Speaker 4: obviously I'm talking to, I'm still friends with everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So now they said, well, will you say that?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, why wouldn't I say it? It's true. I
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  Speaker 2: have my new store, the new posh, the big, beautiful one.
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  Speaker 4: I would be silly to not film, promote my store,
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  Speaker 4: have a fashion show and talk smack.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. That's just who I am. You want to mess
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  Speaker 2: with me? I'm going to mess with you. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So now Dolores and Jacqueline Lareda come to my show
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  Speaker 4: and I say, is Teresa that delusional?
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  Speaker 2: Does she know? And they're like, no, what about like
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  Speaker 2: the brunette? I go, well, there's a brunette and a blonde.
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  Speaker 2: And that's one of the things I say at the
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  Speaker 2: fashion show.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what starts the ball rolling of me being
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  Speaker 4: the enemy now of Teresa.
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  Speaker 3: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: Now I remember this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, and then there was more. Now Siggy comes on
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  Speaker 2: and her and Dolores come to my store and they're
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  Speaker 2: walking in my show.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And my And then that's when I thought, which was
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  Speaker 4: a great scene, when Teresa comes in with her crew
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  Speaker 4: and they think they're going to get all mafia on
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  Speaker 4: me and I'm sitting down.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, I'll take you all on. Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: And Teresa and I go at it. And that's when
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  Speaker 2: she said what Posh stands for. And then, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And you remember she said- got a piece of shit,
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  Speaker 4: cold core home wrecker every day. I'm like, wow, that
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  Speaker 4: you must've studied that one. You know, she didn't have
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  Speaker 4: like a piece of paper. It was like on the palm.
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  Speaker 1: Of her hand.
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  Speaker 2: So we made good TV. We laugh about it now.
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  Speaker 2: So now fast forward.
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  Speaker 4: We somehow people in our lives are like, You need
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  Speaker 4: to make up like.
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  Speaker 2: She misses you. You miss her. You made good TV.
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  Speaker 4: I think that there were some things that you thought
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  Speaker 4: were said that weren't vice versa. So I get a
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  Speaker 4: call from her attorney, James Leonard, who I became friends with.
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  Speaker 4: And he said, would you would you like to have
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  Speaker 4: lunch with Teresa and Louie? And meanwhile, Teresa had texted
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  Speaker 4: me a few times.
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  Speaker 2: I said, of course I would.
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  Speaker 1: Why not?
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  Speaker 2: I go for lunch.
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  Speaker 4: Just like how Jacqueline Loretta described her lunch, like nothing
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  Speaker 4: ever happened.
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  Speaker 2: But one thing Teresa did when the two gentlemen, which
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  Speaker 2: were Louie and James, were going to the table, she
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  Speaker 2: stopped me. And she goes, I want you to look
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  Speaker 2: in my eyes. I said, OK. She goes, I swear
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  Speaker 2: to you, I did not try to get you off
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, OK, I will accept, you know, accept
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  Speaker 4: what you said. I called Jacqueline after that. She goes,
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  Speaker 4: she didn't say to get you off the show. She
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  Speaker 4: said she doesn't need you anymore because it doesn't look
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  Speaker 4: good with her family. So when Jacqueline and I and
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  Speaker 4: Teresa just did our last thing, our podcast, we all
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  Speaker 4: brought that out.
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  Speaker 2: So there was a miscommunication.
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  Speaker 4: But I think, you know, I had good reason to
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  Speaker 4: be hurt.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I really did. But I'm over it now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next.
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  Speaker 3: Each week on the show, I sit down with extraordinary
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  Speaker 3: people who have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have
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  Speaker 3: found a way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
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  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
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  Speaker 1: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
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  Speaker 1: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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  Speaker 1: what would you do if it was given back?
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  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
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  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
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  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
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  Speaker 3: I need a home dad.
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  Speaker 2: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
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  Speaker 3: those hard moments that they go through.
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  Speaker 2: It's about what happens next.
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  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all.
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  Speaker 2: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pull punches. You can use your
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  Speaker 2: voice even if it's shaped.
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  Speaker 3: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
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  Speaker 3: Only one question matters. What happens next?
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  Speaker 1: But do you also think that, you know, the shows
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  Speaker 1: have changed so much and the audience have become much
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  Speaker 1: more sophisticated to how things work? If you don't film
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  Speaker 1: with someone, that means they're in jeopardy of losing a job,
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  Speaker 1: that type of thing. But even in Teresa's defense, do
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  Speaker 1: you think in her saying that to the producers that
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't think three steps ahead, that by saying
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  Speaker 1: that it did put you in jeopardy for staying on
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  Speaker 1: the show. Like she just might have been venting and
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  Speaker 1: been like, well, it's not like I need Kim D
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  Speaker 1: anymore because I'm really trying to get good with Melissa.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get fired and she's like, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. But that wasn't necessarily my total intention.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that now. And I believe her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now if someone was to say that in 2024,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, we all know what that means
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  Speaker 1: as audience members, you know, we all, which is kind
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  Speaker 1: of a bummer because back in those early days when
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  Speaker 1: you were on and stuff, there wasn't all this social media,
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't all this planning and plotting and there weren't
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  Speaker 1: all the opportunities. It was fun to be on the show,
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  Speaker 1: but now you, I understand why people like a Jackie
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  Speaker 1: are is clinging on for dear life.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you're gone and you're at her level of
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  Speaker 1: being gone, it's not a pause like a Dorinda. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, where like Dorinda will bring back for things.
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  Speaker 1: Dorinda's on Traders. Dorinda, you know, does the ultimate girls trip,
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. With Jackie, it's like, if they get
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  Speaker 1: rid of her now, I'm sorry. Does anybody really care?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't know if you're friendly with her.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I interviewed her. She's totally nice. I met
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  Speaker 1: the husband.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think to the audience, it just feels very,
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  Speaker 1: very desperate. However, I said this on my show. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, do you blame her? If you were about
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  Speaker 1: to lose the best job you've ever had in your life.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you come in early on a Saturday?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: You could keep the job.
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  Speaker 1: So if that means, you know, showing up or like,
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  Speaker 1: aligning with someone or being a little more aggressive in
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  Speaker 1: a scene to show your true feelings so that you
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  Speaker 1: just have more chatter about you. I get it. That's
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  Speaker 1: what the, that's what it is. That's what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Leave it, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Listen, and I'm, I'm a single girl.
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  Speaker 4: I support myself. Do you know, my son's father passed
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: away when he was 11. I was divorced, but like,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I have to support myself.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: So of course I'm going to say yes to promote
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: my store. Yes to sell tickets for my fashion show.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Yes to doing that.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: Like I wrote my book, you know, sometimes I agree
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: with you on most points, but like, I think that
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: if I was married and I was wealthy in my own.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Right and I, whatever, I don't know if I would
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: be that desperate, but I don't know.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: There's two things going on. There's the girl that, that
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: really needs it. Because she's a single mom, she's like
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: almost like a Shannon Bedore on OC.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Dolores Catania. She's divorced.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: But even with Dolores, her kids are already out of college.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: And are successful. But like with like a Shannon Bedore,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: you know, she's great TV and all of that. But
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: she would say on the show several times, like, I'm divorced.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: And because the kids are over 18, if her ex
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: chooses not to help with the college tuition and she
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: went to a very expensive school and a sorority and everything,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: and she wants to give that same to her daughters.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: So there is that pressure of like, I can't give
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: up a million dollars a year. I'll do whatever. And
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: then there's people like Ramona, who's like, I don't need
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the money. I've done it for a long time and
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I've met a great guy and I'm loving... going to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: social events in Palm Beach and I'm good.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Good for her. Right.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Like she did it right. Like, you know, not every
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: time it works out for you where you meet the
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: guy or you have the windfall or you're just in
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: a place where like, and then there's just people who
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: are addicted to the fame.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: And they love it and they will do whatever it takes.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: And you see some of these housewives like a Bronwyn
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: from OC that was, you know, on four years ago
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and she's only on for a couple of years. Anytime
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: there's a slow day, On page six, she'll get somebody
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: to write some little article about her or whatever.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Really? It's okay.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I don't blame her. You love it. She's trying to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: get back on TV. She loved it. It was the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: only job she had for 20 years and she loved it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So it's like there's a lot of those elements going in.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: And you're right. There's a lot of women... That I've
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: talked to housewives and stuff that are like, well, my God,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: if I was had the wealth of this one, I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be fucking doing this.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Having anxiety every day and worrying about friendships. And if
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: my kids are mad that I was seen talking about
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: them getting their period on camera, like I didn't need that,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And my son is 34, you know, he's a
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: pain in the neck. He hates this stuff.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: But he understands why he loves the fact that I
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: do a podcast now. And he wasn't thrilled about me
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: writing a book, but he's accepted it now.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: He never liked this. And honestly, I never did it
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: for like any kind of fame or anything. I was
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: only like a B character on the show as a friend.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: It was more about the money, the promoting of my store.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: supporting myself. I never ever cared about if someone goes, oh,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: is that Kim Diaz? Who cares? You know, that doesn't
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: do it for me.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: And if I had a rich husband or a rich
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: guy and I was could be in Saint-Tropez or Capri,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: you think I want to be sitting behind a camera
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: in a Jersey restaurant?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And I love Jersey. Don't get me. But that's not
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: my cup of tea. I do it. And I still
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: do this because I make a living doing it.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: I make a living doing it. You know, so that's
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: that's really the truth.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I am going to Saint-Tropez and Capri in a week,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: but I've never, ever gone because I had to get
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to a place where I could afford to go.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And I, my kids are older and I didn't go
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: as a kid and I didn't go post-college and I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: didn't go in my thirties or my forties because I
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: was always working and I never had that time. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, now I'm going, you know, but it's like,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I see what you're, what you're saying. Now let's get
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: into this season of, I have followed it all from
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the Twitter, Melissa Old Nose, to the Melissa Feaster, who
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: was Teresa's original podcast co-host, to the people that are
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: on her side that have podcasts, to hearing it all.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And as somebody who's watched it all, now look, everybody's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: nice to me. I'm not on the show. I have
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a big platform. Every time I meet somebody, they're very pleasant.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: But again, I'm not on the show and I'm not
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Andy Cohen. So it's like I get people being cool
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and nice. But I kind of agree with when Danielle
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: said to Jennifer Aiden or when she said in her confessional,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't want these people in the VIP section. I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: don't want all these other people that ruined our group,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: all these other voices, all these other bloggers, all these
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: other people that are saying, do you know what she
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: said and you did? And I know she's guilty of
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that too, but it's like, that's as the viewer, that's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: where we're like bummed.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: What the fuck was this?
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: OK. What do you think?
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know anyone else who wanted to be on VIP,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: but I do know the one girl she was speaking about.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. OK. Lena had opened up her salon two days
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: in a row. The first day to fix one side
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of Danielle's hair, the extensions were coming out. no pay
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: or anything, just as a friend. They had been to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Teresa's birthday parties. They knew each other. And then the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: second day when she opened this line, because Danielle.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Was like, oh my God, now the other side's coming out.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: She said specifically to Lena, make sure you email, make
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: sure you come, make sure you email.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put you in the VIP. Now, Lena
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: was standing on her feet all day. She's a hairdresser.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: So when she went there, it's not like she wanted
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: to be VIP. She just wanted to sit down. Do
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: This is only Lena's case. Do I agree that you
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: don't want all these random people in there?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: You want some space?
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: But when this woman did this for you and you
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: told her, make sure you email. So my assistant knows
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: that you're in VIP and she is.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And she bought a ticket. Okay. Like what she
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: did to her was really degrading and it wasn't very nice.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Lena just left, you know, she just left.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I love the real housewives of hairstyling and I would
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: not be opposed to them having their own show. I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: actually spoke to this other hairstylist, Karen.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Karen, she was on my show too.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Who, you know, was trying to build up her reputation
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and social media at and made a deal with Danielle
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and did her hair for two years in, in a
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: handshake of like, you're going to promote me. You're going
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to tag me. They had a falling out. She didn't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: do that. And then from what she told me, Danielle
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: felt just because she took a photo with Jennifer Aiden
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: betrayed and then just said, I'm going to go to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: another direction. And then Karen didn't, reap the benefits of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: her posting about her. Then we've got the Lena girl.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: You've got this other hair, hair, Marissa, Marissa. I mean,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: my God, like the hair of Jersey, like, like you
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: couldn't write this shit.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: You can't. Jersey's different. Jersey is crazy. It's crazy.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It comes down to hair extensions and the hair extensions
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: have played such a big role from Danielle's hair being
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: pulled by Jacqueline's daughter. And that's a clip from one
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: of the old reunions where she brought in the styrofoam head.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you'll stop to show and explain to a man.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: i can't of how extensions work and he's really like
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: intrigued he's really like oh there's little what do you
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: mean little teeth oh little teeth are here it attaches
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to your own hair so when she pulled the extension
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: she actually pulled my own hair and then of course
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: danielle pulls margaret's pony ponytail later.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It's like It's wild.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Harry played a huge role.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: He didn't just pull it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, she yanked her head back. I thought she
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: cracked her neck. I mean, that was some scene.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: What did you think of then when that was revealed,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that when Melissa said that when Danielle told, when Danielle
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: felt she was getting squeezed out in the boot, she
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: told Melissa, actually, Teresa told me that. And when we
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: saw it, she did say it, but again- She says
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: it like in jest. Like she says it like she doesn't.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Like go do it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Like she doesn't. Go do it. Like I really don't think,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I really do believe that like Teresa's not a plotter.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: When she does stuff, things happen. And then she was like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you know, but so then, so then with the confusion
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of this Twitter account.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Old nose. From the latest information, it sounds like Teresa's
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: old podcast host, which she had a falling out with,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: which when they first started, I just assumed that this
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: other Melissa, we'll call her blonde Melissa, not Melissa. I
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: thought this was one of her friends from years back
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and she was never featured on the show, but they
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: have a great chemistry and they're going to do the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: show together. I did not know it was this, the attorney,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: which is also could be holding, uh, whatever they, what
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: do they hold in New Jersey? They don't hold anything,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: do they? I don't think so.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no orange, no peach, nothing like that. Yeah, no.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Anyway, but yeah, they just have their hands on their hips.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: But like he's played a role and I want to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: ask more about him. But anyway, he put them together. Right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: He knew them and was like, oh, Teresa, if you
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: want to have a podcast, why don't you get with
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: this girl? So then they start having it. And then I...
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I see that it just had disappeared and I DM'd
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: her and I was like, what happened there? And she was,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: didn't share much in the DMs, just that, you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: pretty like you could probably figure it out. I'm like, well,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I can't, I'm asking you, but whatever, I get it.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: You don't want to tell me in a DM, which
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is smart. Don't tell me in a DM because she
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: shared way too much in DMs and texts with other people,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: which has all been aired. And, but it sounds like
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: everything that Teresa was accused of in colluding with these
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: bloggers to put out information about, you know, John Fudo's
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: ex-wife and all this on Twitter so that then she
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: could read it on a phone. Right. Didn't address that,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: but they basically said that these same type of people
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: were actually working with her co-host.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know who to believe.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I know who to believe. Yeah, I know who to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: believe because I know all the characters.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, so why don't you explain what your now understanding is?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Because I've tried to explain it on my show. And
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to be honest, even when I explain it on my
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: show and I read all the comments of like, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: because I do like 10, 20 subjects a day. Right.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: People are not really... they're not obsessed with it because
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: it's too hard to follow.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: It is hard to follow. It's too hard to follow.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So it's like, sometimes I notice that and I'm like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: oh my God, you guys, this is the juiciest thing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And then I realized it doesn't catch on because it's like,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: it's like when they tried to explain DNA on the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: OJ trial.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: The jury lost interest. They lose interest. They're like, I
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: don't care. But then you see the glove doesn't fit.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: You must quit.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, fine. Like, it's like, there's so much.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: So let's tell me what you think. I'll break it down.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to break it down short and sweet.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Okay. There was a girl in California named Gabby. Okay.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Melissa's old nose.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: So she had a very big Twitter following.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Long story short, she's reaching out to Jen Aiden. And
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Jen Aiden, like, can I help you? Can I do
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: anything for you? Like a fan.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Jen Aiden takes the bait. Jen Aiden starts revealing things
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: to her. Can you get me this information? Can you
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: get me that information?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And I guess Teresa did the same thing. She was
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: giving to her. A lot of times, Teresa said, I
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: wasn't asking. She was giving. A lot of people DM us.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm sure you'll get some too.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I get it too. I get it too. I get,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and I'll get something like, Oh my God, you got
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: to follow this case in my town. This person, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And then usually what I do is I'll Google it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And if it's like daily mail wrote about it, then
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I'll talk about it and I can add a little more,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: but I'm very reluctant to ever share any kind of scoop,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: whether it's house until you know, until it's like someone
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: else has reported on it because I don't want to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: be that person. That's like, you know, saying something that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I have no facts about, you know?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Well, the girl, the girl who worked with Jen for
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: a couple of.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Years and was sending Teresa all this stuff turned on Jen,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: turned on her.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And why do you think she turned on her?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I don't really know.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: But what I heard was that when BravoCon went down
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: and there was a big story about Louis Rorellis being
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: mean to Melissa Feaster, the co-host. Melissa Feaster supposedly had
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: talked to these girls. She's friends with this love, Gabriella,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: and told the story.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: And that's when they start turning. Some of the tree
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: huggers that were involved in this group start turning on Teresa,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: which means you turn on Jen. Okay? So now that
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: part's not complicated.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: But what happens is this, Melissa's old no, starts putting
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: out on social media, Jen Aiden's phone number. She starts
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: putting out all the things that Jen Aiden text her,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: all the things that she found out for them and
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: how they were saying good.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Cause now that's their storyline. Do you understand? So that's
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the nutshell.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Now, Melissa Feaster, what they're saying is once that happened
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: in BravoCon, Melissa Feaster was totally ticked off at Louie,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: at Teresa, and she turned on them but didn't say
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: anything to Teresa. She kept doing the show. So it
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: was all behind the scenes what was going on. That's
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: the bottom line of what happened. That's exactly what happened.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And then when did Teresa find out that there was
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: this stuff with her co-host going behind the scenes while she,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: in Teresa's mind, I guess, was like, oh my God,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: for a month, you were like acting like we were good.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: How did she react to that?
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: A week before the show stopped.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Like whenever Namaste Bitches stopped, she found out that week.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: She had a feeling.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: But she found out for sure that Melissa was talking
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: to them. And that's when she just nixed it. Supposedly,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: they were going to come on and say, we're parting ways.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: But I think it got so ugly, Heather, that Teresa
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: just said, I'm not, I don't want to even be
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: I don't want to talk to her. I don't want
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: to be seen with her. I'm done, you know, but
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: that's what happened. So about, I don't remember the last
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: namaste bitches that was on, but the last one right
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: after that is when Teresa really knew, you know, she
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: knew for a fact that she wouldn't do any more
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: shows with her.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: And then what do you think about the whole Bo
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Deedle and Louie saying on camera, I know Bo Deedle,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I got a file on all of you. And then them,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you know, having some evidence to say, yeah, I do
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: think I was investigated by Bo Dietl. What are your
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: thoughts on that?
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that Bo Dietl investigated all of them.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. I do believe that Louie said that. And I,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: cause we heard him say it. I do believe he
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: was investigating a couple because of his ex.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: They were talking to her, but I think Louie's.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Ex, the one that, yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: So I think out of frustration, The way he said
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: it was, I have files on all of you. I
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: think Bodito probably said, like, they all have skeletons in
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: their closet, every one of them.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: But I don't think.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: That Louis paid to have every one of them investigated.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I would be very surprised because it costs a lot
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: of money to do that. But I do believe that
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: Bodito probably, they were friends. And Bodito probably said, ah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: I got stuff on all of them. Like, what do
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: they think they are talking about you?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Because I have stuff on all of them. That's the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: way I see it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: After talking to everyone, that's the way I see it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: But he did say on the show, I had you
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: all investigated. He said that, and that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Created a lot of issues.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously you're good friends with Teresa. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: so you like Louie for her, you support their relationship.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: So is it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Difficult that he is in the news and you know, his,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: his business partner on this Vivian or Vivian or whatever
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: The Nivea is, is being, you know, sued and that
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: whole story. What, what have you heard on there? And
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: like anything that you could share about what he's saying
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I believe what I know from speaking to people, you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I haven't spoke to her about it, but someone very
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: close to them.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: That, because I don't want to bring it up to her.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm sure she's going through enough.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: I think my personal opinion, I think this is what's
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: going to come out. If you read between the lines here,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: first of all, everybody was making fun of Louis. Oh,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: he doesn't own it. He doesn't own Vinavie. The other
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: guys do. Okay. So wait a minute. So now when
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: all these people weren't paid, what now Louis owns it?
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I believe Louis got duped too. I believe the money
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: he invested, he was duped too. That's my belief.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Now, am I going to sit here and bet my
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: house on it? No. But the way it flows, that's
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the way it looks to me, Heather.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: It looks to me like these millionaires got him to
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: believe in this too.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Well, the way I reported on it too- Because I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: was like, look, he's named in it. He's mentioned it,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: but I don't know that he, from what I can tell,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he is actually being sued, but
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: he's mentioned it as someone who was kind of like
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the face of it. Right. He did reach out and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: tell me he was doing this and asked if I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: was available to host it. I was doing another show
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: at another state. He then, you know, sent me another thing,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: inviting me. But again, I was gone. What I noticed
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: is that none of them were promoting it. Nobody was
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: posting on it or doing it. None of the girls were.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: And so then when this shit went down, I was like,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: in his defense, maybe that's why he wasn't promoting it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe he found out it really wasn't flying or really
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: wasn't what it was going to be. I can see
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: why people would invest in it. At that time, everyone
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: was saying TikTok was going to be shut down. So
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you go to people that are that savvy in social media,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: but are billionaires. And you say, this is going to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: be shut down. Here's the thing that's going to take over.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, now we don't hear about anything
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: from the girl that launched the party that I was,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you know, invited to. She wasn't paid or she was
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: paid very late for all of that. So, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: but then again, you know, if he wasn't famous, if
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: he wasn't on the show, this is something that wouldn't
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: be on Hollywood Unlocked, you know?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: 1,000%. Yeah. and i think that more information will come
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: out um i just think he could if this is
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: true what i believe okay he's got to be real
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: in himself we're talking over a million dollars you know
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: i mean if somebody would dupe me for a dollar.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I get upset.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Nevermind a million.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I would be freaking out. So I believe more will
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: come out about this.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I read it. And like I said, it's, it's complicated elements.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: There is a mention of him. There's a loan here.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: There's a, this, there's that. And I'm like, I'm not
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: going to try to explain it on my show and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: then explain it wrong and have people like, you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: angry with me. So it's like, if you're interested in that,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: go look it up and make your own thing. Like
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: public records, there's been articles written, but it is, you know, confusing.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And so what, everyone doesn't know what's going to happen.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Why do you think they chose not to have a reunion?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start, I'm going to answer. That's an
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: A and B question. I'm going with B first and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: we'll go back. Okay. for bravo and sirens to cancel
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a reunion where you make the most money okay millions
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: of dollars in commercials it's their biggest sale the reunion
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: people wait.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: For they have to be so aggravated and disgusted with
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: this cast that to do that okay I don't feel
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: that this cast will be coming back.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: That's my opinion. I don't feel it is. I know
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: someone who called Andy on the cast and was devastated.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: And he said, I'm sorry. What does that mean? I'm
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: sorry means I got no answers for you.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Do you understand? Now, if you say, I'm sorry, don't worry.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Hold off. We'll work it out. That's different. Just I'm sorry.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: That doesn't sound good to me. So let's go to A.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Both parties, meaning the Margaret, the Fudas, those people were
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: dug in.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: We're going to get Teresa out. Don't worry. Let's ice
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: her out. We're going to get her out. We're going
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: to have the show.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: And Teresa and Jen and them were like, they're not
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: going to get Teresa off the show.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: They were dug in.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: And what they did was they all crossed their arms,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: stomped their feet and said, I'm not filming with this one.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking to that one. I'm just not going
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: to do it. You can't do that with Bravo. Your
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: ass is on the line for $ 2 million. You're making
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: a million. You're making 800,000. No one's bigger than Bravo, Heather.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: You saw that.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: No one's bigger than sirens. You can't do that. In
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: my podcast, I said, people work a lifetime. And do
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: not make the money that these people make in three
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: months to have a camera follow you around, okay?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And they flushed it down the toilet bowl. That's what
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: they did.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: I would, like, listen, you could stick a camera anywhere
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: you want on me for that kind of money anytime
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: you want, all right?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I really, I mean that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: And they just... I don't get it. Like, I just
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: don't get it. But now I get it. Bravo's not
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: going to put up with it. That's why there's no reunion.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: There's no, they don't.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: See any, what is that the word that they look for, Angel?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: They don't see a resolution. These people are dug in.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: They're not going to make up. He saw that at
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the finale. The finale is ugly.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Now, how many episodes do we have left?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's maybe four left. That's four? Yeah.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And then they'll do something, but who knows what they'll do.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think that that is true. I
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: first thought they're not going to have one because it does...
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: even though they make money, it costs money and also
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to punish them. But also I thought with all this
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: ugliness and legal stuff, they didn't want a reunion like
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the DNA portion of the OJ trial. Like they did
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: not want all the receipts and all the texts. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: they didn't want it to be like, you know, Salt
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Lake City where an actual troll account got on the show.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And they did not want to give this girl. And
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the name, I mean, Melissa, the fact that we have
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to keep calling Melissa's old nose.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I can't even. And so cruel. It's cruel.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think there is anyone on the cast that
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: hasn't had a nose job.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: No, everybody's had plastic surgery.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Everyone's had a nose job, multiples. Everyone has had boobs.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Everyone has had butt fat. So it's like, you know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and that's why I think it's kind of good that
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: she doesn't let that bother her, Melissa. So good for her.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, it's just, you know, and it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: just so gross and cruel because I'm like, when you
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: find out that this girl, that, that, that woman, you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: has a daughter with special needs and you're like, and you,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and you're free time. I can't imagine how stressful you get.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: You get some type of weird relief and joy.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: She did.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Out of doing this stuff. She does.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: She gets joy out of it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: But it was also getting a little light from these people.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And you see it. You see it sometimes. And the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: fans are so great. My Juicy Skippers are a different
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: level of Bravo-type fans. But when you go to BravoCon...
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you know, you see it and it's fun. It's football fans.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's like there's football fans that go to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the game and they cheer on. And then when their
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: guy drops the ball, they go home and they go
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: to bed. And then there's people that paint their face
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and get in a fight with someone else. And you're like,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing loser? And unfortunately, because
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the franchise has gotten so big and because everyone has
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: a voice, thanks to social media, which they didn't 15
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: years ago, these people infiltrate. And it's like, I think
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that they have to figure out going forward, the next
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: phase of what Bravo will be, the new shows. Will
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it be that these people, you know, have to give
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: up their social media handles for six months, like they
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: do in Australia with Reality Source? Will it be that,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you know, they have to crack down on these people
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: telling everything on Amazon Lives and podcasts and stuff?
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they listen, they're not getting the screeners. They're not
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: getting the screeners anymore.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Like the housewives would get the screeners before. They stopped that.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: They stopped it a couple of months ago because of this.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: You know, when they used to have to do the blogs,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Which some people, like Carol Radziwill, who's a good writer,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: had a nice time doing it. Other people had to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: have their assistant help them.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And then that's what they would, at the reunions, that's
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: what they would go back to. You said on your
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: blog that blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, there's so much
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: more of, you said on this podcast, you said on
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live, you said to this loser at
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: two in the morning on a DM that you didn't
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: know from Adam that I was a bitch. And it's like,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: we don't want, that can't be the reunion. The reunion
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: can't be all these things that we didn't see on TV.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: No.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think they were like, fuck it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: We don't even want to deal with it. Also, I
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: think it wasn't a terrible strategy because there wasn't a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: lot of chatter about New Jersey until they announced there
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to be a reunion. And it has gotten better.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: The last two episodes have gotten better and more interesting.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And so I'm like, yeah, get everyone to watch the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: last four episodes then. And so you think, so in
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: your opinion, you think they're going to do a major
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: rehaul cast?
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Well, like maybe keep a couple and bring on a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of new.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, Andy Cohen was recently on a red carpet
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: and I watched him being asked because there was there
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: was some things in the news like this. These three
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: are going to be kept or whatever. Right. He said,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: do not believe anything you see or hear in the news.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: We are not discussing Jersey until maybe another six months.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: If that.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: If that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: We have no desire to even talk about it right now.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: We need at least six months to let this all.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting because the same thing happened with Vanderpump.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm like all these big, big anchor shows.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: It makes me think that they're like going to really, really,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out like, does this formula even
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: work anymore? Like we definitely want to have reality shows,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: but maybe we're going to really like go in a
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: different direction for the next. you know, 10, 20 years.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: What is it? You know, I don't know. That's what
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking. I'm thinking they're.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Having a lot of dark. It gets too dark. These
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: people want to hurt each other, like not even just physically.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: They want to hurt each other. They want to get
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: somebody put in jail. They want to get people investigated.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: They want to bring up your dirtiest time of your life.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Like they're going in, you know, before it was lighthearted
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: and was fun. Yeah. We would bring up some stuff.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But we didn't like these
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: people are so dug in.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: And then they have these people like love Gabriella, Melissa's
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: old nose living for doing this investigation gate of work.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: And like, I remember Teresa saying she's shooting me these DMs.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to see them.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't even want to see them. I don't
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: want to I don't want to be involved in this.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: But like, she loved it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Like, this is crazy because she felt like she was in.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Someone that you look up to like a reality. Like, listen,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Teresa is a pretty big star. So all of a
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: sudden now she has her number. So they get all excited.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a major fan, you know, and she's
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden talking to them and and DMing them.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: But I got to tell you, they all do it.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: They all do it. All the housewives.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: It's just that this girl turned on them and put
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: it out there, but they.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: All do it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Right. And then, you know, when I was just thinking
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: about it was Jack, Jackie went to a book signing
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: of Teresa's.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: And they had it out a couple of seasons ago. And,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you know, in which, you know, Jackie was, you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: talking about Teresa's intelligence and Jackie and Teresa was saying, I,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: you're a fan. And she's like, I just happened to be, Yeah, right.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Part of the book signing and this and that. And
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden now, Jackie is like, oh,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I don't care about everything that happened in the past.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about it from you, Margaret.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And it's just very obvious. She might enjoy Teresa, but like, yeah,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: of course. And you're watching it and it feels like
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: seventh grade.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And it's like, they didn't want you at the slumber
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: party anyway. They didn't watch you. It's only because your
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: mom makes the best cupcakes that they invited you, you
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: dumb bitch. They don't even want you on the squad. Like,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and it's kind of funny, but then as like a
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: woman who's over 50, it does feel really gross. And
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's kind of triggering to watch.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: As you're like, oh my God, no wonder women aren't
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: further along in the world because.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: We're still like this.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: And then as you're watching it, you're like, well, am
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I part of the problem because I'm watching it?
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: And I think that's where the fans are almost having,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: are questioning themselves and their integrity.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Why am I still watching it? They're all saying, oh,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: it sucks, but we're all still watching it.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a train wreck. You can't stop.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: You want to see where it ends. You want to
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: see where it lands. Right. You know, we're all invested, right? Yeah.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: So if you invested so much time, what are you
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: going to just stop midway? You want to see it through.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: So I want to see it through. I want to
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: see what happens. I'm dying to see.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I know a little bit about the finale, but I
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: want to see how it all transpires. You know, I'm
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: dying to see it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: But, you know, listen, there are certain things that we
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: can see right through.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Like the Jackie situation.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: I do believe that Jackie started turning against Margaret when
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: the rumor about her husband started. And I think she
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: started realizing that the rumor did start with Margaret and Joe.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: That's where the rumor started. So I think that was
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: her turning point.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: So she believes the rumor started there and it went
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: to this Laura girl again?
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Joe Gorga. Joe Gorga at the card game. And then
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Joe told Teresa.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Because they were talking at the time.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Right. So I believe that there was something in her
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: mind to get her. When someone said, do you want
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: to flip? Yeah, I want to flip.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: And it's easy because now she really believes that Margaret
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: might have done this to her.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: And you know what? It's better on this side. I'll
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: get more camera time.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: So it was a combination of things, Heather, in my opinion.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: And then also, I think if you're going to jump
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: ship and you really have to decide.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, who is the most iconic, famous face of
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the housewives?
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And if you got a shot, take it. Yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: But it is very obvious. And it's just like, because
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: we've all seen that girl, whether it was in seventh
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: grade or on the show. It's just like, mm.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: It's just like, ick.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Because we're different.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of pathetic.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We're different. I would never. I wouldn't do that.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I haven't. Like I said, there's other things.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I've had stuff like that happen before. you know, in
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: my world and my podcasting world. And I was like, no,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I'm sticking with what's right. And I'm sticking with my
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: friends who are females. And I saw everybody just stay
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: silent about it. And I was like, Moe, Okay.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I know I'm on the right side of history. I
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: know it'll all work out.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Karma's a bitch.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: It'll all work out and it's showing itself. And like,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't agree with that. Even though you think, well,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: this is where the money is. Oh, this is where
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the opportunity is. No, like, ew, ew. And we're seeing it.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Someone who doesn't need it. She don't need it. She
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: has money. She has, you know what I mean? She
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: don't need it. So that to me, I'm sorry. That
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: gives me more of an X factor. You know, like
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I said before, there's people that really need it.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: And, you know, they're going to make a move to
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: keep stay on the show for whatever. But in her case, no. But,
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: you know, listen, she this episode, she sees how Teresa
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: was like, I want the information, you know, and Teresa
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: comes right out and says, I cracked up.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my God, she's learning, you know.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, even Teresa goes, I don't care
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: about her. I mean, she even says it. She's like,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I don't care about like, but then she was, you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: acting nice before, but yeah, of course she does it.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And it's just like, and I think everyone at home
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: is like, I hope you're happy, you know?
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Right. But that's what Margaret was just saying on a
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: podcast too. Like you made the, you made a big mistake,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: that type of thing, you know?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit more about your book. And
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: what are some things we're going to find out? Tease
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: us a little so people buy it. Okay.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: They're inside scoop on housewives. What I do is I
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: go through my life. My life was very colorful since
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: I was a very young girl. Wonderful childhood, wonderful life.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: But when I did botched, When I did botched, I
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: was one of the premieres.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, what did you have done on you?
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I have my boobs. I had a problem with my
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: right boob. And they're wonderful though. They're just wonderful. Dr.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Dubrow did my, so I go and you have to
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: take the psych test.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: So I took a 500 questionnaire psych test and it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Takes two hours. They give you water or whatever.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Now I go in front of the, the psychiatrist and
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: he says, I think you're going to be a little
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: surprised what I found. And I swear to you, Heather,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: I said, I don't think so because I'm not like
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: anyone else.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: And I didn't mean that like, oh, Pat and myself,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I just know I'm different.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: He said, you've answered every question like a man. You
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: have a man's brain. You have a man's brain. I'm like, oh,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: that's why I put all two and two together. My
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: relationships changed. my friendships, and my advice, it was really
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: came to me that that's why my life has gone
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: a certain way. So I feel that this book, I
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: share my relationships with men, married twice, engaged, the love
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: of my life of 13 years passed away.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: So I had it all. Divorces, engagement breakups. I walked
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: away from every relationship. Okay.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: It was like more like, you know, man, they kind
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: of go through women or whatever. I walked away for
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: specific reasons. So part of the book is my life
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: as a child, the big boys, my stepfather, who they
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: have to buy the book to know who he was,
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: the men that I were with, how they were big boys,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: and then how it leads to the show and how
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: me filming the Jersey housewife was.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Really very small in my.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Real life is much more exciting than the Real Housewives
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: of New Jersey. And Margaret even puts that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: In my book.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: I got forwards from all the girls. Jacqueline wrote a forward, Teresa, Dolores, Siggy, Margaret,
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: and John Futter. So they all wrote forwards.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Is Jacqueline still in Las Vegas?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: She lives in California. She lives in the OC. Oh, okay.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: He lives in the OC. I stayed friends with Jacqueline
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: throughout the whole time and Dolores. I've been friends with Dolores.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: What's your opinion of the whole Dina Manzo situation and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: her ex-husband getting convicted for attacking she and her husband?
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I like Tommy Manzo, so it puts me in
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: a difficult position. I do not believe in violence. I
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: had a situation like that with my son's father who
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: passed away. Same thing.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: He hired somebody?
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: He didn't have to hire. He was going to do
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: it himself. He was in the mob.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: He was with the Genovese family, okay? And my stepfather
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: had to step in and they had to have a meeting.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: And he said, basically.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: At the meeting, I'm going to kill her. She's my wife.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: And his boss said, you can't kill her. We'll kill you.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: And he said, I don't care. You're going to have
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: to kill me. That's, swear to God, that's what I
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: went through. It's in the book, okay?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And he didn't. I'm still here, but I get it.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I get that life. And it's not, listen, it's just,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: it's a crazy life. And these people still do these things, okay?
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: And I should have known then, but I was a
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: young girl and I got involved with a man who
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: was 10 years older than me and the life was
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: fun and it was regimes and the Gucci luggage back
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: then and the Europe, you know, vacation for our honeymoon.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: I got pregnant right away on my honeymoon. But once
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: I had my child, I'm like, this isn't for me.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: You know, now try to get out. Very difficult.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Well, when you're really in that mafia world, we all
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: see the shows, we all watch Soprano. And because these
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: gangsters are not, are smell nice and have nice clothes
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: and they go to church and their delights. Do you
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: not see them as like the same type of murderer
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: that would like, kill a wife or something because it's
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: like in the name of like family and you disrespected,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: like when they do kill people, do you see it
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: as like, not as bad as like, like the Menendez
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: brothers killing their parents? Or like, do you like, do
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: you see murder in a different circumstantial way as someone
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: that's associated with them?
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Listen, in my book, My mother's second husband, who really
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: raised me since from two to about 10 or 11.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: And then I stayed close with him until I got
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: married to my husband.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: OK, so we were close. She divorced him. That's a
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: story in itself.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: I should have learned from what my mother went through
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: trying to get away from him.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: But I did the same thing. Like I can't explain,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: like when you're young and impressionable and you're used to
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: that life already.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: I was used to that Copacabana when I was six
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: years old, the front table, like good fellows.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I rubbed noses with Jimmy Durante. Diana Ross was told
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: you need to take a picture with this little girl.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I have the pictures.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Ms.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Ross said, I'm not taking it. They go, yeah, you are.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: You're taking this picture.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: And they took it. So I was, this was me.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: This was the way I was raised. So when I
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: met someone.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Else like this, it didn't, it seemed okay.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: But when you're with this guy, what did you tell
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: yourself to where this money is coming from? How do
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: you tell yourself that you, now you know that the money,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, part of it is from the pasta
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that they're selling and the rest of it because everyone
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: wants to respect them. Like how in your head would
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: you tell yourself, would you just, you don't really care.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: You don't care. He had a trucking business. My husband
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: had a trucking business. Okay.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: And you just don't care your, your life. You're 22
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: years old. You're sitting in regimes. All your friends are there,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: your cousins. Back then, the drinks there were $ 22. Back then,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: you're being driven around in limos. He's buying you Gucci luggage.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: You're sitting at casinos, gambling, coming up. You don't think
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: that way. But what happened with me is when I
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: had my son, it all flooded.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: At all flat, I'm like, this is not the way
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I want to live. There was more to it, okay?
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: But this is not the way I was eight months pregnant.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: The FBI was following me through the bank drive-thru, asking
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: me questions. I'm like, I'm not answering your questions. Now
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: you're saying to yourself, What am I doing? Like, it's
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: one thing to be.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: A young girl partying, but you think you're gonna have
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: kids and live a normal life?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen. Now, like I said, now try
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: to get out. So you don't care at the time.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: You don't think about it at the time.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: I was raised to not care and not ask where
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: the money went. They don't tell you. They don't sit
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: and have a discussion with you what they did to get.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: The money and you don't ask.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: But some people can stay with that situation and people
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: like my mother or myself, We, we, we came to
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: the reality.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: This is not normal. And this is not the way
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: we want to live.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: But again, if you read this book, I sent this
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: to a couple of people like producers and everything.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh my God, this is Netflix, you know,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: because it's all true, Heather. It's all true. And I
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: can't believe myself. that I did all these things. Like,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I just can't believe that I survived all of it
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: kind of changed. And now I'm sitting doing my own
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: podcast and I was on a reality show. Like, it's
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: just really people in that life.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: This doesn't happen to, you know what I mean?
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: It's just, it kind of happened.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: They had the mob wives.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Did you watch that show ever?
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved Rita. Yeah. I'm scared to
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: death of them. I love them all. I'm friends with
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: some of them. I wouldn't be on that show. They'll
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: kick my ass. I'm not going to be on that show.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: That's scary.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Well, do you know, I, and I think some people
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: are scared of this Jersey stuff, this New Jersey stuff.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I think people are legit, like kind of scared. Like,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, even me covering it, I'm like, fuck,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Is someone going to go and like
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: investigate me if I go again? certain cast members? So
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, look it up. Like, I'm just like,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: that's not, I'm just a comedian that watches these shows.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Like leave me alone.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: That's why my book at each story goes back to
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: a scene. And this and it tells this is how
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I was able to do this scene and film with
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: these girls. It was nothing compared to what I really
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: was my real life at one time. So that's why
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: each scene that I create, I go back to my
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: real life. And I say, this is why this happened.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: It was nothing to me. This fight was nothing. This
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: was because this is my real life, what I went through.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: So that's, you know, that's what the book shows.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you being so honest about all that.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I do want to ask one more thing
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: about the Dina Vanzo. So there's some speculation that maybe
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Dina and Teresa are not as close as they once were.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: And these, I'll tell you what the speculation is and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: you can tell me your opinion. One is she didn't
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: go to the wedding because she does have anxiety after
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: going through all this and she didn't want to be
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: at a thing with a bunch of cameras, but she
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: was there for the engagement and they're fine and they're good.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: And she lives on the West Coast and they're fine.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: The other one is there is a little bit of
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a distance because not only did her own sister write
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: a letter in defense of Tommy Manzo, but so did Dolores. Right.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: So can you share anything of what you think is
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: going on with them?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that they are friends anymore.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I don't believe- Dana and Teresa. But Dina, Manzo and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Teresa are not friends. I don't believe they are. Do
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I believe they're enemies? No. I believe Dina walked away
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: from the whole situation.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: Anyone to do with Jersey, anyone to do with Dolores, Carol, anything.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: She doesn't want any part of it.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: She is in the OC with her husband, wants nothing
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: to do with Jersey, doesn't speak to any of her family.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: She's, you know what I'm saying? So Teresa is just
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: collateral damage. That's the way I look at it. This
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: happened before with them. This happened before. They didn't speak
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: for two years.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: When Dina first left the show, the first time, they
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: did not speak for two years.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Then that was Dina doing it again.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I interviewed Dina years ago and it was like
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: one of my best interviews and I've repeated it a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: few times because it was like the first time people
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: understood the whole relationship between she and her sister. And
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: it was really quite heartbreaking because when she was a
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: single mom with her one daughter, she moved in with
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Caroline and then Tommy started coming around and that whole thing.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: And I interviewed her before these physical attacks on she
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: and her husband happened. And, but at that time she was,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: you know, not talking to Caroline and she'd felt Caroline
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: performed for the, for the reunion to say what you
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: did to my family.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's what happened. That's what happened.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Because, because Adina had said, don't bring up this stuff.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: With Danielle, because it has to do with my daughter
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: signing a release and with the first husband.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: With the husband.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: And I just don't, and we're fine and don't bring
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: it up. And then she did because according to Dina,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the producers did what they do.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: It's boring. This is bad. Tapped on the shoulder.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Tapped on the shoulder. And then she did this and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: she was like, Why would you like betray us and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: what we had decided what, you know, by using my
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: story for this big. So that's where they had like
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: a big riff. And then of course, when this thing
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: happened and then, you know, Caroline wrote the story, then,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: then Albie, her son went on his show and said,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: these letters were just to get him out on bail.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Now it'll be interesting to see who writes a letter
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: in pleading that he get less time.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Right. So. Well, You know, the same people might. You know,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: it's really interesting because good people sometimes do bad things
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: and bad people sometimes good thing, do good things. Tommy, basically,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: if you met him, he's a wonderful, generous guy who
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: when we're shocked. Do you understand? Like the people that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: know him are shocked.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I always joke there were a million busboys
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills that said OJ was the nicest guy
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: This is true.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Like, of course.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: This is true.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: He can be the charming guy. He can be so
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: nice to you. He could be great to you. You know,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: it's just like when Sheena Shea was like, oh, Tom
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Sandoval lent me $ 3, 000 and nobody else would. Doesn't mean
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: that he didn't cheat on his girlfriend under her nose.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I get why people are in that position,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: but you also have to totally respect why, why someone
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: like Dina would be like, Oh yeah. Anybody that's going
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: to even say, well, hurt people do hurt things or whatever. Like,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Especially with what she went through. Like I've been betrayed
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: by people and it's nothing to the level of walking
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: into a home and thinking you're going to die and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: physically hurt. And to know that, that you're, you know,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: and so I believe that that's why Caroline Manzo made
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: this kiss. with brandy brandy glanville on ultimate girls trip
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: because she started much biggie she wanted i think she
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: started talking she was drunk i think she was sharing
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: too much this thing happened and i believe it happened
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: and maybe she liked it maybe she didn't maybe she
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: was like that was too much maybe she felt it
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: was encouraged or whatever right but clearly this next step
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: lawsuit i believe was a intention to never have this
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: season see the light of day. And it's a bummer
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: because I've talked to Gretchen Rossi and I really liked
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the LTV girls trips and I'm bummed that they haven't
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: filmed any others.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I know. And I got to tell you, I feel
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: bad for Randy.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: If this lawsuit wouldn't have happened, we probably would have
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: had three more in the can.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I feel bad for Brandy.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I feel bad for Brandy. And I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: kind of feel bad for all the housewives.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Because this was a great way for the retirees. And
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I get it. Do they want
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: housewives to enter, to be in their sixties regularly? No,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: but we can certainly bring them back and have these
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: great times. I agree. And now I feel like there's nothing,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: there's no thing that they can even look forward to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: because I think they may not even do them anymore.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I know. It's sad. And I believe, I don't believe what, listen,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I don't, I'm going to be very clear here. I'm
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: not a big Caroline Manzo fan. Okay. I won't go
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: any farther than that because I don't hate anyone. I
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: don't care enough to dislike them.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Not a fan.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: And I do believe that everything you said is exactly
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: the way it took place. Everything you just said is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: exactly right.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: That's what happened.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: That's what happened.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: And it's a shame. And I do feel badly for
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Brandy who's been hanging out to dry and And she's
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: got the stink on her. And no, she's not being considered,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: you know, for some of these other shows right now
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: until this stink is cleaned up. And, you know, and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: it's a shame. Yeah, it does. It does kind of
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: suck because that is a single mom that needs the job.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, she is really one. And that's why she's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: like so devastated.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't listen. I don't blame her.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: But listen, if Bravo wants to come back and do
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: a girl's trip, I would very happily like to do
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: one with Brandy and Teresa.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: And maybe we'll bring Jacqueline on. And guess what?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: If Brandy ever tried to kiss me, I would be like, listen,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: you just got the wrong girl. You know, listen, I
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: have my boyfriend died 11 years ago. I haven't been
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: with anyone else. OK, he was the love of my life.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: I'm just not interested. I'm starting to get a little
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: interested now. Maybe, maybe, you know, I like my life.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: But if Brandy wanted to kiss me like this and
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: you could kiss me, but you're barking up the wrong tree.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I think you should try someone else. That's all.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: That's what's a big deal.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Come on. You know, when you're with Brandy, things are
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: going to happen. Stop.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: But they she I believe took it that far. Caroline,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: she didn't want to make it see the light of day.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: She talked too much and she, yeah. And then all
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: of a sudden these accusations, she did this to me.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: My childhood came back.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: What, what, you know, crazy.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A little, but, um, and I know from what
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I heard is that she had said, I'll never come
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: back to Bravo. I'll never come back to Bravo. I'll
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: only do this if I make this amount.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: And I heard the amount that she was asking for.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: And so, um, I guess on those shows it's favored nations,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: but maybe it's not. So she did. They finally got
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: to a level where she said, OK, I'll come back.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I'll take the money. And then she does this. So
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: they're probably so annoyed, but so annoying.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that they get through this.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: And and if they what we say happened, they know it, too.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: So maybe they'll get through all of this. And, you know,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But like I said, I'm disappointed, too,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: because I think it's a great concept. I love it.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: And I do feel bad for Brandy. And, you know,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: let's let's hope that everyone gets past this, because when
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: you take things too far like this, you hurt people.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, she hurt Brandy and she hurt, like you said,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: the other girls. It's not right for her own sake,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: because you might have said the wrong thing.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: It's messed up. messed up and i do feel bad
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: for dina i do you know i do well i
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: um had.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: A great time talking to you thank you i'm excited
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: for your book thank you and let's make it a
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: series who would you like to play you Well, I got.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: To tell you, you know what people used to say
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: looked a lot like me years ago.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Remember, I'm in my 60s now.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: Nicolette Sheridan, they said when she was on Knotts Landing,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: they were like, Kim, you look exactly, she looks, I go,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: she looks like me.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: She's younger. But like, so.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Let's say, so if it's your life story, we got
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: to have at least, two significant actresses.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: So two of them, maybe Nicolette later.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Who wants your, like, who's your 30, your 20, your
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: 20 to like 35 year old girl.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: This is, this is really tough. Cause I don't know,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: you know who I love, but she looks nothing like me.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: One of my favorites is Emma Stone. I mean, I
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: freaking love her, but she's not going to do anybody.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: No, but Emma Stone could do anybody.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. She's not going to want to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: play me. You know, she's like, you never know.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Well, you never know. Like I will, we'll find someone.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Who would you think? Who would you think?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: We're not even going to try to do about looks
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't really.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: No, we can't do the looks. Exactly.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I say you go for like a Sydney Sweeney. Do
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: you know who she is?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do know who she is.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Because that would, it would be like a fun, challenging
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: role for her. And then she could be you from
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: like 20 to like, you know, 40, whatever. And then
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: we jumped to the housewife stuff and have a different
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: person play that. Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Listen, from your lips to God's ears, I would love it.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: I'd love to be on set because you know what, Heather?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: There were so many stories that I couldn't even put
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: in the book.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Like I really couldn't.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: I didn't want to hurt people that like my husband
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: that was still alive, my boy, my fiance before Michael.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: Like I just there was so many that what I
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: do is like when I do my speeches or my
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: book signings, I tell some of the fun stories because
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: I don't want it like put out in the press.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: But I have so many more things we're going to do.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: We're going to do a book club. from my podcast
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: so that I could give them the inside scoop, you know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: because there's some fun things that took place, but I
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: was afraid to put them in the book. I'm like,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: I don't need this aggravation, but I put enough. I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: put enough.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Well, very, I'm glad we got to hang out. And
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: this is, This is great. So tell everybody where they
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: can follow you and all that stuff.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, Kim D Posh is my Instagram. Okay. And
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: to get the book, there's two ways. You can go
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: on my website, poshbykimd.com to get a signed copy. I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: do it myself. It comes to my house. I sign
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: the copy.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: I stuff it, put my little lips on and I'm
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: going to the post office when I leave here.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Okay. Or, or you can go on Amazon now. And
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: it's on Amazon.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: And that's it. And I love this. Like I love doing,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I did one, a small book signing at Max Mara
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: in Riverside Square. They did a beautiful job.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: I'm collabing with Dolores on July 11th in Red Bank.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: She's coming to my book signing. I want to keep
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: it small because I deal with a little anxiety. So yeah,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: keep it small. But I thank you so much for
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: having me too.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I have a show. I have a show in Red Bank. Oh,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: In October, you'll have to come. Wait, let me just
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: go to my seven to find it right now. So
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: it's October 8th.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: Perfect, because my fashion show is October 16th. So I'll
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: be very available. But I want to know one thing.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Can I come backstage after and take a picture with you?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course. I will be there.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I will hook you up.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I promise.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: I would love it. Bring all the New Jersey girls.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Heather. Thank you.
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