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America's Funny Man found Dead in Hotel Room, Mystery Swirls · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, one of America's superstars, always
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Speaker 1: with a smile on his face, making everybody else laugh.
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Speaker 1: What happened? What really happened? Mystery surrounding the death of
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Speaker 1: one of American's most beloved comedians. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Sage began his career as a stand up comedian. Humor
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Speaker 1: often runs you, I Love my Mom and you can't
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Speaker 1: and about face from his more family friendly gigs for decades,
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Speaker 1: bringing joy to millions of homes as the host of
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Speaker 1: America's funny at Home videos. Honey, you know that my
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Speaker 1: grand headache you had this morning? Well, it'll be home
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Speaker 1: in an hour. But no rule more icunning gets by
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Speaker 1: mister Tanner. I'd like to get the girls to bed
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Speaker 1: before Good Morning America. Saget and his TV family commemorating
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Speaker 1: their thirtieth anniversary in an interview with Robin in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: We won the Kid's Choice eteen choice in People's Choice Award. Wow.
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Speaker 1: It was a huge Yeah, I mean that was amazing
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Speaker 1: for us in just such a well Rowano. Well, I'm excited.
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Speaker 1: I want the Casier's choice to worry Richards into the
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Speaker 1: coffee as you get older. You wanted to be quick. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: French anymore? You've heard of all day? Yeah, well known.
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Speaker 1: I've known Bob since I was eighteen. Yeah you know
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Speaker 1: even now. Sage brings a smile to our face. But
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Speaker 1: long story short, questions are swirling about his CD, cause
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Speaker 1: of death. A lot of it just doesn't make sense
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Speaker 1: what we're being told. I mean to see grace. This
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Speaker 1: is crime stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. What happened
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Speaker 1: in that hotel room? Those are the questions one of
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Speaker 1: many questions that we want answers to take a listen.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at GMA. Now listen to
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call. Okay, and what's going on now? Um?
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Speaker 1: We have all we have an unresponsive guests in a room.
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Speaker 1: My officers telling me that he that is no pulse
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Speaker 1: and the okay, what room number he's in? Room? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Non responsive? Not breathing, yeah, um, not responsive, not breathing.
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Speaker 1: I am no pulse okay, stam aline for medical one moment,
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Speaker 1: so we know at the beginning he already had no
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Speaker 1: pulse and was not breathing when people walked into the
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Speaker 1: hotel room. Now take a listen to more regarding that
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Speaker 1: nine one one call from Alex Capriellaine, what is the
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Speaker 1: location of ther emergency help? Unresponsive guests in a room,
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Speaker 1: My officers telling me that he is that guest later
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Speaker 1: identified to be comedian Bob Saggett found dead in his
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Speaker 1: Ritz Carlton hotel room in Florida. A police report released
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Speaker 1: Monday details the moment hotel security entered Saggott's ninth floor
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Speaker 1: room to check on his well being after his family
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Speaker 1: had been unable to reach him and alerted the hotel.
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Speaker 1: The report states the hotel employee found the lights off
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Speaker 1: upon entering the room. Saggott's body was on the bed,
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Speaker 1: with his left arm across his chest and his right
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Speaker 1: arm resting on the bed. Saggett, the report reads, was
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Speaker 1: quote cold to the touch. The employee checked for breathing
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Speaker 1: in a pulse, but neither were detected. Already cold to
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Speaker 1: the touch. Let me ins see you one of the
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Speaker 1: members of an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. Renowned medical examer the chief
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Speaker 1: of Medical examer joining us out of Bay Camp, Michigan,
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Speaker 1: author of American Narcan On Amazon doctor William Maroney, Doctor Moroney,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us limited question at this juncture.
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Speaker 1: Before I get to the cod I simply want to
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Speaker 1: know one thing, doctor Moroney. What does that mean to
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Speaker 1: you that he was already cold to the touch. He
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Speaker 1: was laying there for five or six or seven hours.
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Speaker 1: That's how long it takes to be cold to touch,
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Speaker 1: doctor Moroney. He's not out in Siberia, He's in the ritz, Carlton,
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Speaker 1: don't you think his body would have been the temperature
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Speaker 1: of the ambiance air ambient air is It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: He is ninety eight point six alive. He assumes room temperature,
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Speaker 1: which is somewhere around fifty and you begin to lose
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Speaker 1: immediately when your circulation stops. When he laid down, if
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Speaker 1: his heart stopped, if he had bleeding problems. People are
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Speaker 1: warm for two or three hours in close Why don't
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Speaker 1: you stay at least a temperature of the room. Well,
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Speaker 1: because I like a little discourse with you and we
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Speaker 1: can discuss that, and maybe I just want an answer.
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Speaker 1: I'm not here for a medical lecture in medschool. Just
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Speaker 1: tell me, because from my just citizen brain, I'm a
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Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I'm not a medical professional. It
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Speaker 1: seems to me that your body would stay the temperature
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Speaker 1: of the room and not get cold. Yeah, but it's
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Speaker 1: air conditioning down there, so people are trying to cool
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Speaker 1: the body down. That's it. Okay, So you're saying that
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Speaker 1: may have been the temp of the room. Yes, Okay,
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Speaker 1: now I understand, doctor Moroni. Just bear with me. I'm
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Speaker 1: just a lawyer, Okay. I'm not an MD, I'm a JD.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even a DDS. I don't know how to
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Speaker 1: pull it too, So help me out. Friend, Guys, what
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Speaker 1: happened to one of the most famous comedians in our country?
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Speaker 1: He has had one hit TV series after the next,
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Speaker 1: but yet we can't make sense of his CD cause
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Speaker 1: of death. Now take a listen to our cut one.
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Speaker 1: This is GMA Overnight, the comedic legend, passing away in
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Speaker 1: a hotel in Orlando, where he was in the middle
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Speaker 1: of a comedy tour that begin in September. Advising is
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Speaker 1: the obvious death stating or FACULI found I guess not
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Speaker 1: breathing the pull. The circumstances of his death remain unclear,
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Speaker 1: but detectives say they found no signs of foul play
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Speaker 1: or drug use in his final tweet posted yesterday, Sagitt writing,
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Speaker 1: love tonight's show. I had no idea. I did a
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Speaker 1: two hour set tonight. I'm happily addicted again to this.
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Speaker 1: Ahead of the tour, Sagitt reflected on his career in
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Speaker 1: comedy with our Jacksonville affiliate w j XX that they's
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Speaker 1: found about money. If you're doing stuff to your famous,
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Speaker 1: that's not the answer. You got to do a few
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Speaker 1: love without your heart, his love for Kraft, pushing others
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Speaker 1: to follow in his footsteps. Tim Wilkins opened for Sage
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Speaker 1: during his last set. I asked, are you so enjoying this?
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Speaker 1: And he said, I think I'm enjoying it now more
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Speaker 1: than ever. I appreciate all those comments and all the
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Speaker 1: well wishes. There are people that are deeply mourning his
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Speaker 1: death right now. But all I can think about is
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Speaker 1: what really happened? Because how do you innocently or by accident,
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Speaker 1: get multiple fractures to the head in the back and
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Speaker 1: the front. How does that happen innocently? Again, I'm just
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, But it doesn't make sense to me. Does
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Speaker 1: it make sense to you people here in this No,
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Speaker 1: does not make sense. There may be an explanation. Let's
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Speaker 1: find it. Take a listen now to Jim Murray inside edition,
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Speaker 1: Bob Saggett had arranged for a late three pm checkout time.
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Speaker 1: When he didn't show, a housekeeper and hotel security went
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Speaker 1: to his room. They reportedly found him in bed, unconscious.
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Speaker 1: His room was neat, his bags were packed and by
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Speaker 1: the door, ready to go. We're told that a member
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Speaker 1: of the hotel staff desperately tried to perform CPR, but
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Speaker 1: to know of at an obvious stating or fecuio prophone
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Speaker 1: against not breathing. According to an Orange County Sheriff incident report,
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Speaker 1: all the lights were off in Saggot's room. He was
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Speaker 1: cold to the touch, and his left arm was across
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Speaker 1: his chest. His wife, Kelly, was called immediately and told
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Speaker 1: the tragic news. Saggott has recently recovered from about with
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, which he spoke about on a podcast last week.
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Speaker 1: It does not feel good. I had it. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I had Delta or Combo. Maybe at one
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Speaker 1: point they were working together. He even joked it might
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Speaker 1: attract more people to his shows. What the hell, what
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Speaker 1: are we going to see? Bob? You know he might
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Speaker 1: die from COVID. Let's go see him. Don't say that,
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Speaker 1: you know, joking at the very end. You know. My
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Speaker 1: takeaway everybody has their own interpretation of what they see,
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Speaker 1: what they hear. What I hear as a trial lawyer
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Speaker 1: was that he was alive and fine at the end
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Speaker 1: of the show the night before and it probably ran
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Speaker 1: late at a comedy club. Three pm. The next day,
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Speaker 1: he's dead and cold. We just heard a renowned medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: doctor William Moroney and author state that it would take
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Speaker 1: several hours I believe he said three to six hours
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Speaker 1: to get to that. Was it three or six? Moroni, Well,
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Speaker 1: he begin to lose temperature immediately in warmth, but to
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Speaker 1: be quick, five to six? Thank you. You know you
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Speaker 1: could have answered that in one word. Six that would
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Speaker 1: have been an answer, just mildly suggesting that, just throwing
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Speaker 1: it out there. So we have Let's just pretend midnight
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Speaker 1: when he gets back, till three pm the next day.
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Speaker 1: If it takes six hours to get cold, at the minimum,
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Speaker 1: we'll go with five. Because Maroni said five to six,
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Speaker 1: that means three pm. That goes back to about ten am.
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Speaker 1: So between midnight and ten a m. Those are the
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Speaker 1: hours in question. All the lights off, he's lying in bed,
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Speaker 1: his bags are neatly packed at the door. You know
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Speaker 1: what that you threw me a flashback? Karen Stark Esteemed
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. You can find her
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Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com. Karen with a See Karen,
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Speaker 1: remember when we first started covering Natalie Holloway's disappearance, that
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Speaker 1: all she had packed, all of her bags, had them
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Speaker 1: ready to go at the door of her hotel room,
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Speaker 1: ready to go. And that tells me, and I remember
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Speaker 1: your words, Karen start way back when that she was organized.
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Speaker 1: She didn't plan anything out of the ordinary to happen.
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Speaker 1: And we see the same thing here with Sackett. What
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Speaker 1: does that tell you, Karen start, Well, it tells me
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Speaker 1: that he's prepared to go home, that there's no indication
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Speaker 1: at least branded anything that's going wrong. Nancy, the whole
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Speaker 1: thing is very suspicious. It just doesn't make any kind
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Speaker 1: of sense that he would that the police would say
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Speaker 1: shell But how can you fall over and over again?
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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly? And I remember also, just to bring in
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Speaker 1: a narrative, when you and I were covering the case
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Speaker 1: of the wife of a politician, that was found at
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the steps, and she had multiple blows
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Speaker 1: and bruises and cuts to her body. And I just
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Speaker 1: didn't see how all that could happen, you know, in
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Speaker 1: ten steps. I just I don't buy it. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. How did this guy so alive, so successful,
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Speaker 1: so well known, and up dead in his own hotel room.
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Speaker 1: What happened in those ten hours? Take a listen now
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Speaker 1: to our cut to This is Stephen Fabian inside edition.
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Speaker 1: How Bob Sag had suffered that one fatal blow to
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Speaker 1: the back of his head remains a mystery. The medical
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Speaker 1: examiner says it was due to a fall backwards. But
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Speaker 1: today there's a new theory emerging. As Bob Sagan returned
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Speaker 1: to his hotel at two seventeen in the morning, it's
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Speaker 1: possible he could have banged his head on the frame
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Speaker 1: of his car or on the lid of his trunk.
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Speaker 1: After all, Bob Sagan was six foot five, so you
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Speaker 1: could see how he could hit his head in such
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Speaker 1: a way. There are also several places in his hotel
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Speaker 1: room where he might have struck his head in a
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Speaker 1: slip and fall. A marble table, a wooden desk, shower
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Speaker 1: fittings or the tile floor. Head trauma specialist doctor Robert
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Speaker 1: Duarte studied the autopsy report. This wasn't just a little
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Speaker 1: bump on the head right exactly. There were fractures in
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Speaker 1: the base of the skull, in the occipital region, the
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Speaker 1: temper region. There was also fractures in the front above
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Speaker 1: the eye, on both sides of the of the skull.
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Speaker 1: So even though we're hearing he hit his head on
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Speaker 1: the back of his head, it caused fractures in three places,
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Speaker 1: even the front exactly. Okay, I'm still going to introduce
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Speaker 1: to you all of our panel, but I've just got
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Speaker 1: to go very quickly to Dominate Romano, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: and entertainment lawyer joining us out of New York at
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Speaker 1: Romano Law dot com. Dominic, come on, before any murder
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Speaker 1: case or any case dealing with medical facts or science.
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Speaker 1: I would go to the medical examiners, go through it literally,
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Speaker 1: line by line, sometimes it word by word, because sometimes
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Speaker 1: it really didn't make sense to me. This doesn't make sense, Dominic,
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Speaker 1: This does not make sense. He's hit on the front
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Speaker 1: of the head and the back of the head, and
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Speaker 1: they're saying, oh, maybe he hit his car trunk really
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Speaker 1: with a of his hand, and then he turns around
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Speaker 1: and throws his head back on it. Just does that
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Speaker 1: make sense? Oh, it doesn't seem to add up. How
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Speaker 1: do you deal with that at trial, Dominant, when the
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Speaker 1: medical facts just don't make sense. No, but you have
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Speaker 1: to look. My sympathy here is with the family, right.
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Speaker 1: Obviously it's interesting, the public is fascinated, but at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, the family has a right to
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Speaker 1: privacy here, right, I'm sorry, Dominate, we weren't talking about
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Speaker 1: the family's privacy. I'm talking about when speculation. Actually it's
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Speaker 1: not because the autopsy is out. So tell me why
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Speaker 1: it's not. Tell me why it's not speculation, Ncy. Okay,
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Speaker 1: tell me what the facts are. You know. I'll let
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Speaker 1: doctor William Rowney do that as well as Nicole Parton,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Crime Online. Nicole Parton, what do we
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Speaker 1: know of the autopsy of the injuries to his head, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: We know that he had injuries from the back of
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Speaker 1: the skull all the way to the front of the skull,
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Speaker 1: and he also had fractures to both of his eye sockets.
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Speaker 1: His brain bleed was on both sides of the brain,
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Speaker 1: and all medical professionals who are reading the autopsy report
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Speaker 1: are saying, it is that that would be compared to
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Speaker 1: being beat with a baseball bat. If it was from
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Speaker 1: a fall, it would be indicative of falling twenty to
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Speaker 1: thirty feet. Okay, is that confusing enough for you? Dominant romana,
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Speaker 1: you think that's speculation. The key phrase there's could be,
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Speaker 1: it could be thin, or it could not be thine.
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Speaker 1: And you know, until the facts come out, until we
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Speaker 1: know more, we are doing nothing other than speculating. Guys,
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Speaker 1: taken listen to our friends at ABC. This is Victoria
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Speaker 1: Kannado suffering fractures to the front and back of his
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Speaker 1: skull as well as bleeding in his brain. A toxicology
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Speaker 1: analysis uncovering no illicit drugs or toxins, according to seg
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Speaker 1: It's family authorities, determining that after he hit his head
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Speaker 1: he went to sleep. But certainly not about the height
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Speaker 1: of which you fall, as traumatic brain injuries that can
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Speaker 1: be associated with the dangerous problem can happen from standing height,
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Speaker 1: and it's not about the force. It can actually just
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Speaker 1: simply be a coincidence that you strike your head at
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Speaker 1: the wrong place, at the wrong time. The family attorney
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Speaker 1: called the judge here gracious, saying that they're pleased the
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Speaker 1: court decided to focus on the human elements. The sheriff
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Speaker 1: has gone on the record saying unless any new information
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Speaker 1: comes to light, this investigation is closed. Interesting take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut sixteen from Crime Online mob Sacket's
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Speaker 1: autopsy showed ruptured veins in the space between the brain
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Speaker 1: and its membrane covering. This injury caused blood to pool
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Speaker 1: and compressed critical areas. The injuries listed included posterior scalp abrasions,
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Speaker 1: subgalital hemorrhage, discoloration in the upper and lower eyelids due
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Speaker 1: to skull fracture, subdual hematoma, and sub aractoid hemorrhage. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Gavin Britz tells The New York Times set the injuries
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Speaker 1: to indicate significant trauma the time you would find and
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Speaker 1: someone beaten with a baseball bat or someone who had
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Speaker 1: fallen twenty to thirty feet. The autopsy described fractures to
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Speaker 1: the thick parts of the skull, as well as to
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Speaker 1: the bones of the roof of the ice hocket. Saget's
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Speaker 1: death was ruled accidental, with the injuries occurring most likely
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Speaker 1: from a fall, but there are no other injuries to
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Speaker 1: his body. No illegal drugs or alcohol were detected in
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Speaker 1: his system, but two prescription drugs were clonazepam, which is
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Speaker 1: used to treat panic attacks and prevent seizures, and trazodone
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Speaker 1: and antidepressant. The autopsy report also found that Saget had
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Speaker 1: an enlarged heart. To Nicole Pardon, joining US Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter tell us what happened leading up
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Speaker 1: to a head injury so severe it's akin to being
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Speaker 1: beaten with a baseball bat, yet it's been ruled accidental.
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Speaker 1: What led up to that? To him going to his room?
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Speaker 1: So he had performed a stand up show in Jackson's,
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Speaker 1: a late show. He had posted on social media about
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Speaker 1: realizing that he had done a two hour set, so
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Speaker 1: the show ran late. He got back into Orlando. The
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Speaker 1: Ritz Carlton video surveillance shows him going into the hotel
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Speaker 1: room at two seventeen am, hanging the do not disturb
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Speaker 1: sign on the doorknob, and locking the door behind him.
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Speaker 1: There was no one seen entering or exiting the room
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Speaker 1: until that following afternoon, when the hotel staff go in
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Speaker 1: to do the well check on him. We also know
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Speaker 1: that once he was inside the room after that two
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Speaker 1: seventeen am Mark, he made a phone call to his wife,
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Speaker 1: telling her that he would be catching his flight out
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Speaker 1: the next day, heading back home to California. They exchanged
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Speaker 1: I love you's and said good night, and that was
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Speaker 1: the last person to have spoken to him and the
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Speaker 1: last time that he was seen alive. You know what's
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Speaker 1: interesting to me, evidentiarily is that you say he went
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Speaker 1: in with his key card as you say two seventeen am. Yes, correct,
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Speaker 1: And according to doctor William Moroney, based on the temperature
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Speaker 1: of the body at three pm when he was found dead,
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Speaker 1: that gives me between two seventeen am and ten am,
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Speaker 1: that's less than eight hours what happened. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to Steve Fabian at Inside Edition. The autopsy on the
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Speaker 1: beloved comedian found he died of blunt head trauma, most
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Speaker 1: likely incurred from an unwitnessed fall. The just released autopsy
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Speaker 1: report says the blow was so severe he had multiple
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Speaker 1: skull fractures, bleeding on the brain, bruising around the eyes,
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Speaker 1: and an abrasion on the back of the head measuring
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Speaker 1: one by one point three inches The report says sagged
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Speaker 1: was six feet five inches and weighed two hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty eight pounds, and it found that at the time
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Speaker 1: of death, he tested positive for COVID. Sixty five year
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Speaker 1: old Sagged was found dead in room nine sixty two
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Speaker 1: at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Orlando last month. His
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Speaker 1: hotel keycard showed he checked into his room at two
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Speaker 1: seventeen am after a stand up performance. At three forty
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Speaker 1: two am, he posted this photo with the message love
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Speaker 1: the show tonight and we're learning the theory that he
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Speaker 1: may have hit his head on the trunk of the
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Speaker 1: vehicle that's not gonna fly. Take a listen to Steve
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Speaker 1: Fabian Inside Edition Our Cut nineteen, an Inside Edition producer,
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Speaker 1: checked into the hotel today to investigate what could have
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Speaker 1: happened to Saget. There was a report that he could
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Speaker 1: have hit his head on the headboard, but you can
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Speaker 1: see this headboard is very soft. However, next to the
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Speaker 1: bed is a nightstand with a marble top. Hitting his
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Speaker 1: head here would have caused a lot of damage. The
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Speaker 1: bathroom is very small with a lot of hard services.
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Speaker 1: He could have banged his head anywhere in here or
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Speaker 1: slipped on the floor to Lisa Daddy, I'm joining us
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Speaker 1: for a police lieutenant with have a PD senior lecturer
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Speaker 1: and director for the Center for Advanced Policing. Lisa Daddy,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Shouldn't the room have
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Speaker 1: been processed to find out if there were blood for instance,
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Speaker 1: if there was blood for instance, on the bedside table,
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom anywhere. Yes. Absolutely. The reality of it
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Speaker 1: is that you need to treat every death scene as
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Speaker 1: if it's a homicide until proven otherwise, So you would
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Speaker 1: look at everything and all the possibilities of what could
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Speaker 1: have happened in the room, especially with somebody that has
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Speaker 1: the renowned presence that Bob has. So to doctor William Roney,
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Speaker 1: do you agree or disagree with what Daddy had just said?
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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree, And you have to look at the timing.
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Speaker 1: He may have hit his head at two totally different times.
21:43
Speaker 1: We cannot assume. Okay, whoa he have had one. So
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Speaker 1: you're saying he coincidentally kid has head twice in one night.
21:51
Speaker 1: That's crazy talk. No, why is that crazy talk? Nancy?
21:54
Speaker 1: Why is that crazy talk? Someone is disoriented? Okay, they're asleep,
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Speaker 1: they're half asleep, they fall, they get up, they fall again.
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Speaker 1: I mean this is about respect. That would be too,
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Speaker 1: that would be the same incident. They you hit your
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Speaker 1: head and your grow game, you fall and hit it again.
22:11
Speaker 1: Maroni is exactly what we're saying. Plus they say there's
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Speaker 1: no illicit drugs. But tresitone is a sleep aid, and
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Speaker 1: klonopin or clinasapam is called a sedative hypnotics. One of
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Speaker 1: the side effects of chronic klonopin is amnesia. It helps
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Speaker 1: people forget things. So if you hit yourself, you did
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Speaker 1: I hit myself? One of the side effects when you
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Speaker 1: take the medicine. Did I take the medicine? I don't
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Speaker 1: remember taking the medicine. You take more, and then you
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Speaker 1: take more, and then you say, did I take the medicine?
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Klonopin is not a real good, clean drug.
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Speaker 1: It leads to a proactive amnesia with exposure. And that's
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Speaker 1: where he could have hit his head twice, not thinking unwitnessed.
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Speaker 1: You mean there in the hotel room, hitting his head
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Speaker 1: twice right there, Well, he could have hit his head
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Speaker 1: when he was in the bathroom and then he got
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Speaker 1: up and then and then he fell, so so then
23:11
Speaker 1: he brow out fractures in his eye. When you said
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Speaker 1: two incidents, I thought he meant, for instance, he hit
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Speaker 1: his head at the comedy club and then he hit
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Speaker 1: his head in his room, because I consider all of
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Speaker 1: what happened in the room to be one ongoing incident.
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Speaker 1: And what is the street name of klonopin, Dr Maroney?
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Speaker 1: Or is there one? Is that the street name? Well,
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Speaker 1: that Clannis. They liked your clannie klo n I Clannie.
23:36
Speaker 1: But you know, Clonopin is a valum, Clonopin is a xanix.
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Speaker 1: They're all in the same family, and they lead to amnesia.
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Speaker 1: They lead to early Alzheimer's. If you take it for
23:47
Speaker 1: years and years, and it's really only meant to be
23:49
Speaker 1: given for five or six months, you would forget and
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Speaker 1: have bad judgment, Doctor Moroney. What is the so called
23:56
Speaker 1: natural sleep aid melotonin melin? I was just reading a
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Speaker 1: few months ago that extended use of even melatonin can
24:07
Speaker 1: give you loss of memory. Yeah, I mean, have a cookie,
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Speaker 1: have some milk, have a little piece of chocolate. And
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Speaker 1: what was the other Dragmaroni? That sage. Trazodone is a
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Speaker 1: classic sleep agent. It's delivered anywhere from two hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty milligrams at bedtime. And it's also an antidepressant,
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Speaker 1: but it's used at bedtime because it's a sedative. And
24:32
Speaker 1: after you take that, patients say to me, look, I
24:35
Speaker 1: gotta get in bed. I gotta sit down when I
24:37
Speaker 1: take my trazodone. If I'm not in bed, you know,
24:40
Speaker 1: I wobble. I can have a hard time getting to
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Speaker 1: the bedroom. But well, injuries. What I'm sorry, who's that is? That?
24:49
Speaker 1: Was that dominant romana? Go ahead, dominant? Yeah, but all
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Speaker 1: of these facts imply some sort of self induced situation.
24:58
Speaker 1: Right Where is the evidence of the so called baseball
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Speaker 1: bat of someone surreptitiously entering this room house. I'm just
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Speaker 1: telling you what the medical examiners who have weighed in
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Speaker 1: on this are saying, I don't know. I think you're
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Speaker 1: a JD. I was counting on the mds to explain
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Speaker 1: that for me. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's not
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Speaker 1: the first time something like this may have happened. Take
25:40
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty one. This is Sky News.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we all remember Natasha Richardson, the star of
25:50
Speaker 1: Parent Trap Beautiful talented listen arriving home late last night.
25:57
Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson's closest family m Neeson, her husband of fifteen
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Speaker 1: years with him, her sister Jolie, and mother Vanessa Redgrave,
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Speaker 1: all clearly in shock at such a sudden loss. Our
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Speaker 1: accident appeared at first to be trivial, a tumble on
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Speaker 1: the nursery slope at this Canadian ski resort. Those that
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Speaker 1: saw it say she got up quickly, even laughed it off,
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Speaker 1: but later she complained of a headache. She was taken
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Speaker 1: to the Sacroca Hospital in Montreal. Little was released of
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Speaker 1: her condition clearly, though it worsened considerably. With her husband
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Speaker 1: by her side, She was transferred to New York, by
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Speaker 1: this stage thought to be on life support. There, her family,
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Speaker 1: including her two teenage boys, spent what little time they
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Speaker 1: had by her side. A family statement read, Liam Neeson,
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Speaker 1: his sons and the entire family are shocked and devastated
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Speaker 1: by the tragic death of their beloved Natasha Dodger Moroney.
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Speaker 1: What happened? I don't understand you get but literally a
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Speaker 1: bump to the hair, she quote laughed it off, and
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Speaker 1: then dies. That's because the head is a closed environment
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Speaker 1: with a fixed volume, and when you bleed and the
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Speaker 1: brain swells. There is no room for swelling or edema.
27:15
Speaker 1: So the swelling and the bleeding edema emane blading swelling. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the blood there's no room. Edema is the swelling of
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Speaker 1: tissue because of fluid. The fluid is it could be blood,
27:32
Speaker 1: but it could be just you know, fluid from blood.
27:36
Speaker 1: There is no room on her hair inside that skull,
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Speaker 1: and there's no room. And then what happens. And then
27:43
Speaker 1: you begin to press on the brain, and the inner
27:47
Speaker 1: pressure pressing on the brain presses on vital areas that
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Speaker 1: help you breathe, that help you think, that help your
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Speaker 1: heart beat, and when those errors are pressed, you stop breathing.
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Moroney, I don't know if you know this,
28:02
Speaker 1: but you had a profound effect on me and my
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Speaker 1: family because when John David and you and I had
28:11
Speaker 1: worked many cases together, Doctor Maroney, at this time, when
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Speaker 1: John David was just a little little boy, he was
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Speaker 1: running my son, my twin boy. He was running holding
28:22
Speaker 1: a ball at a birthday party and they had the
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Speaker 1: party on a professional grade basketball court at a fitness
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Speaker 1: workout place. He was running and he tripped and instead
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Speaker 1: of letting the go of the ball and stopping his
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Speaker 1: con fall. He was only three. He held onto the
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Speaker 1: ball and somehow hit on his head first. You'd think
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Speaker 1: that's no big deal, right, just a fall. No, his
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Speaker 1: head immediately swelled up the size of a mango. It
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Speaker 1: was big, and it was so bad and so immediate.
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Speaker 1: He was screaming. We were up like the fourth floor.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't wait on the elevator. I had him in
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Speaker 1: my arms and I walked down, ran four flights, ran
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Speaker 1: to the car, holding him to get him to the
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Speaker 1: ar Do you know he was in the emergency Wait.
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Speaker 1: We took him to the emergency room. They said nothing
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Speaker 1: was wrong. We came back home and he later said,
29:25
Speaker 1: I see two mommies. I see two mommies. He had
29:31
Speaker 1: blurred vision, he was disoriented, and my husband said he'll
29:35
Speaker 1: be fine, He'll be fine, and everybody went to bed.
29:38
Speaker 1: I laid there for about forty five minutes, thinking what
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Speaker 1: you had said on a similar case. God dressed him,
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Speaker 1: took him to the ear. He had a horrible concussion.
29:49
Speaker 1: He was in the hospital for four nights because I thought,
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Speaker 1: what if I'm lying here in bed and he's got
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Speaker 1: a slow bleed to the brain. Now we talked about
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Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson. If you're not familiar with Parent Traps, Lucy's
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Speaker 1: favorite movie, I've watched it twenty times. I know I've
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Speaker 1: watched it twenty times. What about Sonny Bono? Sonny and
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Speaker 1: Share take a listen to our friends at Dateline. Congressman
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Speaker 1: Sonny Bono was fatally injured in the skiing accident. What
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Speaker 1: happened here was big news everywhere, as if we knew
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Speaker 1: him shortly after four or thirty yesterday afternoons Heavenly received
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Speaker 1: a missing person report in it. Yesterday, when the Heavenly
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Speaker 1: Ski resort closed and his wife Mary reported him missing,
30:35
Speaker 1: Nobody seemed very worried, not at first, even though Michael
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Speaker 1: Kennedy had skied into a tree and died just days before.
30:44
Speaker 1: Everyone here knows it's a relatively safe sport. Last year,
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Speaker 1: just thirty six people died in skiing accidents, a tiny
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Speaker 1: fraction of the number killed in bicycle accidents. Sonny Bono
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Speaker 1: was an expert skier. He had gone off the trail
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Speaker 1: for or run through the woods, but just starting down
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Speaker 1: when he hit this tree. Today, the coroner said death
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Speaker 1: was instantaneous. His death was caused by massive head injuries
31:12
Speaker 1: due to plunt Orst trauma. Now here's a name that
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Speaker 1: I knew, but I didn't know enough about it until
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Speaker 1: my son has wrote me into the same song with
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Speaker 1: the concussion to Top Gear, which we now watch all
31:28
Speaker 1: the time. It's about three guys that go from country
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Speaker 1: to country, exploring the country and crazy cars, crazy expensive cars.
31:37
Speaker 1: They often have alluded to this guy, Michael Schumacher, one
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Speaker 1: of the world famous Formula One race car drivers. Beyond
31:51
Speaker 1: compare listen. The forty four year old Schumacher was skiing
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Speaker 1: with his fourteen year old son in an ungroomed part
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Speaker 1: of the trail when he fell and slammed the right
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Speaker 1: side of his head on a rock. Schumacher was wearing
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Speaker 1: a helmet at the time of the accident. Emergency responders
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Speaker 1: say he was conscious when they arrived, although they say
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Speaker 1: he appeared to be in shock and his limbs were
32:12
Speaker 1: moving involuntarily. Shortly after, he slipped into a coma. He
32:16
Speaker 1: was airlifted to a hospital where he underwent immediate brain
32:19
Speaker 1: surgery to remove a blood clot and reduce swelling. The
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Speaker 1: operations done to give the brain more room. Doctor David
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Speaker 1: Langer is director of neurosurgery at Lennox Hill Hospital in
32:28
Speaker 1: New York. The most important reason to operate is not
32:31
Speaker 1: necessarily to take the clot out, though, is to relieve
32:33
Speaker 1: the pressure on the brain. You know, the swelling itself
32:35
Speaker 1: can be very problematic and very difficult to deal with.
32:39
Speaker 1: Seven time Formula One World champion Michael Schumacher not in
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Speaker 1: good shape at all. We hear various reports is he's
32:52
Speaker 1: still on an ventilator. We don't know he's hanging onto
32:55
Speaker 1: life by a thread. But what I don't understand, and
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Speaker 1: it's why there were injuries to the back and the
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Speaker 1: front of Saget's head. To Lisa Daddio, I just to
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Speaker 1: suddenly say the case it's accidental, case closed without even
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Speaker 1: investigating the room where he died. That doesn't make sense
33:16
Speaker 1: to me. So it's hard nasty because you know, they
33:18
Speaker 1: haven't come out to say that that wasn't done. But
33:21
Speaker 1: they also haven't come out to say that it was done.
33:24
Speaker 1: What do you know, Nicole Parton, because we've heard nothing
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Speaker 1: about the room being processed. So I'm being told that
33:32
Speaker 1: investigation did take place in the room and there was
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Speaker 1: no blood or hair found on the marble top tables
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Speaker 1: that were beside the bed. There was no blood or
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Speaker 1: hair found on the headboard, and so detectives are leaning
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Speaker 1: toward the idea that he fell somewhere on the white
33:50
Speaker 1: marble flooring in the bathroom. Again clearly speculation on their part,
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Speaker 1: but from the investigation. But they are saying that there
33:57
Speaker 1: was no blood or hair found on the marble table
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Speaker 1: or the headboard that was inside the room. They're also
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Speaker 1: saying that the room was completely in order, nothing in disarray,
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Speaker 1: nothing out of place. Everything looked as it did when
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Speaker 1: he walked into the room. Basically, I vote for the bathroom,
34:16
Speaker 1: I vote for the marble in the bathroom. That's it,
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Speaker 1: and I vote for two separate incidents of he fell twice.
34:23
Speaker 1: That's why you have a blunt force trauma in different places.
34:27
Speaker 1: To doctor William Moroney is joining US Chief Medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: Bay County, Michigan. There was a laceration to his head.
34:37
Speaker 1: How do you explain a blow to the front, a
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Speaker 1: blow to the back, massive head injuries as if he
34:45
Speaker 1: had been beaten with a baseball bat, and no blood
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Speaker 1: found in the room. Even though there was a laceration
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Speaker 1: to his head cut his laceration isn't a perfect place
34:57
Speaker 1: to show that he fell backwards, and the blunt force
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Speaker 1: injury is his head hitting a very hard surface, which
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Speaker 1: would cause skin to tear. Doesn't necessarily need to bleed
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Speaker 1: on the outside, but that force is transmitted into the
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Speaker 1: brain and the brain bled on the inside. That's the
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Speaker 1: perfect fall backwards. But the bleeding on the front and
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Speaker 1: the back is a medical phenomenon called coup and count
35:29
Speaker 1: coup injuries. That means, when you fall backwards, you hit
35:33
Speaker 1: the back of your head, but your nogging, your brain
35:36
Speaker 1: slams forward and you cause damage on the inside of
35:41
Speaker 1: the skull to the front of the brain. That's very
35:44
Speaker 1: common coup and countra coup injuries. And I stand by
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Speaker 1: the fact that he probably fell twice in two separate incidents.
35:54
Speaker 1: The second fall might have been the result of being
35:57
Speaker 1: dizzy from the first ball. A fall, a simple fall,
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Speaker 1: not slamming into a tree like the other incidents with
36:05
Speaker 1: Natasha Richardson and Sonny Bono and Michael Simaker at sixty mph.
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Speaker 1: But a fall, a simple fall, you're telling me, can
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Speaker 1: result in the force I'm looking like he was hit
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Speaker 1: by a baseball bat. Yes. And the other thing is
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Speaker 1: when you're hit by a post or a baseball bat.
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Speaker 1: It makes a very specific impression in the brain and
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Speaker 1: in the bone on how that is falling is a
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Speaker 1: flat crack and a long linear object makes a very
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Speaker 1: specific pattern that a medical examiner would have said blunt
36:44
Speaker 1: force injury from an object as opposed to blunt force
36:48
Speaker 1: injury from a fall. This all works out. It actually
36:52
Speaker 1: does work out that there's two incidents a fall and
36:55
Speaker 1: you can't say which one goes first, but they're both
36:58
Speaker 1: because of accident, because of toxic city, not because of overdose.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with toxicity
37:05
Speaker 1: or overdose. That's very clear to me. These two drugs
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Speaker 1: klawn a pen and the other trusdem. That has nothing
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Speaker 1: to do with what happened to him. HiT's a head injury.
37:18
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sort out what I know of the
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Speaker 1: head injury. Hit to the front, a hit to the back,
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Speaker 1: a laceration, no blood, nothing, But to the point earlier
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Speaker 1: made by dominant romano, the family seems well. I can't
37:39
Speaker 1: speak for the family, but I do know this. Take
37:41
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at ABC cut ten a
37:44
Speaker 1: judging Florida, the granting Bob Saggot's family a temporary injunction
37:48
Speaker 1: blocking the public relief of any graphic images or a
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Speaker 1: video linked to investigations into his death. Saggot's widow, Kelly Rizzo,
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Speaker 1: and three daughters finding a lawsuit against the Orange County
37:59
Speaker 1: Sheriff and the Medical Examiner's Office, saying the release of
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Speaker 1: certain records would lead to immediate and widespread dissemination to
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Speaker 1: the Internet as well as print and television media outlets,
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Speaker 1: causing the family irreparable harm in the form of mental pain, anguish,
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Speaker 1: and emotional distress. The Sheriff's office saying, well, we are
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Speaker 1: sensitive to the family's concerns about the right to privacy
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Speaker 1: that must be balanced with our commitment to transparency, compliance
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Speaker 1: with the law, and the public's right to know. Still
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Speaker 1: fans questioning how a fall led to the beloved Full
38:30
Speaker 1: House star's death in an Orlando hotel room in January
38:34
Speaker 1: nine two, a medical examiner's report revealing Sage died from
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Speaker 1: blunt head trauma, likely from an unwitnessed fall, backwards to
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Speaker 1: Karen Start joining us psychologist joining us out of Manhattan today, Karen,
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Speaker 1: the family is trying to stop and I don't blame them.
38:54
Speaker 1: Can you imagine releasing video or photo of the room
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Speaker 1: or God forbid his body, what Guel would do that.
39:07
Speaker 1: But that's what happens when people are curious, when the
39:10
Speaker 1: public really there's a really a vicious kind of excitement
39:19
Speaker 1: about seeing the scene of for instance, with Kobe Bryant,
39:23
Speaker 1: and if you recall, they had somebody got to hold
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Speaker 1: the pictures of the helicopter crash and they disseminated to
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Speaker 1: the media and then they had to fight and sue
39:33
Speaker 1: to make sure that those pictures weren't shown. You're absolutely right, Karen,
39:38
Speaker 1: And what I'm saying right now is until his death,
39:43
Speaker 1: Bob Saget's death makes sense to the public, there are
39:49
Speaker 1: going to be people digging and searching and trying to
39:55
Speaker 1: find out what happened. It's not to reconcile with everyday
40:04
Speaker 1: people like myself, like everyone, what happened to a guy
40:08
Speaker 1: that was so beloved our thoughts in prayers, with his family,
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Speaker 1: and straight to hell with anyone that tries to publish
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Speaker 1: photos or videos of his room, his autopsy report, or him.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's signing off Goodbye friend,