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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 10-8-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Speaker 0 1.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Happy Thursday, everybody. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell show. Once again,
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  Speaker 3: marching towards the weekend where Utah football is back in action.
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  Speaker 3: Saturday night whiteout game against the Kansas Jayhawks. Looking forward
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  Speaker 3: to that Utah mammoth back in action, running Utes basketball
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  Speaker 3: with some exhibition. Nice things to see in an exhibition
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  Speaker 3: contest from Alex Jensen's crew. We'll talk about that with
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  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa. Who's going to join us on the show today.
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  Speaker 3: We'll also have a little dish in with dev at
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  Speaker 3: one o'clock. Eric Weddle will join us at noon. The
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  Speaker 3: Daily Dump, full of a bunch of random stories. As usual,
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  Speaker 3: we'll try to take a look ahead. There's some interesting
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  Speaker 3: Thursday night games in college football. There's, of course, a
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  Speaker 3: Thursday night NFL game to have an opinion or two about.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll be off and rolling. If you're paying attention
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  Speaker 3: to WNBA playoffs and the fallout of Caitlin Clark no
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  Speaker 3: longer being involved for the WNBA. That is something that, look,
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  Speaker 3: the radar is starting to fill up. Major League Baseball postseason. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: regular season hockey back with the Utah Mammoth Red Hot. Utah, BYU,
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  Speaker 3: big news coming out of both of those schools. So
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  Speaker 3: I would understand if the WNBA is starting to get
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  Speaker 3: pushed to the edges of your interest, but there is
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  Speaker 3: some controversy going going on in these playoffs and in
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  Speaker 3: that league that now is rudderless and potentially hiring a
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  Speaker 3: new CEO, a new commissioner sooner than later. I want
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  Speaker 3: to have a conversation today about how many wins you
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  Speaker 3: get from your star players in a football season. How
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  Speaker 3: many wins is way Sean Parker worth? How many wins
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  Speaker 3: is Devin damn peer worth over the alternative in Devin's case,
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  Speaker 3: because of the confidence we might not, we have now
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  Speaker 3: with bird Ficklin, maybe it's not quite as significant, right?
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  Speaker 3: The drop off. Maybe you're a big enough of a
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  Speaker 3: Daniel brave fan that even without way, Sean, you think
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  Speaker 3: that this Utah football team is a 10 win team
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  Speaker 3: or an 11 win team or whatever your hope is.
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  Speaker 3: The reason I want to have this question today is
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  Speaker 3: is because your rival, BYU, is going to have to
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  Speaker 3: have this question answered sooner than later, in earnest. This
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  Speaker 3: conversation is happening down there in Provo, and it alters
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  Speaker 3: everything for the Big 12 Conference.
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  Speaker 4: L.J.
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  Speaker 3: Martin, the news broke yesterday, and it was kind of
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  Speaker 3: a slow news break because we found out on Tuesday
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  Speaker 3: that L.J. Martin was out for the Iowa State game,
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  Speaker 3: that Isaiah Glasker was out for the Iowa State game.
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  Speaker 3: Sione Moa, The second best running back on that BYU
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  Speaker 3: roster has been out and remains out. But LJ Martin
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  Speaker 3: is the returning conference offensive player of the year in
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  Speaker 3: the Big 12. Whether you love it or hate it,
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  Speaker 3: he is a guy that until somebody dethrones him is
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  Speaker 3: the best running back in the league. What we've seen
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  Speaker 3: from him so far and what we've seen from BYU
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  Speaker 3: so far is makes them look like they deserve to
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  Speaker 3: be where they are at in the rankings in the
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  Speaker 3: Big 12. How many wins is LJ Martin worth to BYU?
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  Speaker 3: How many wins is Isaiah Glasgow worth to BYU? Is
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  Speaker 3: he enough of a big star and enough of a
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  Speaker 3: big difference maker on that defense to put him in
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  Speaker 3: that conversation? Last year's production went down. Two years ago,
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  Speaker 3: he was one of the more disruptive guys in a
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  Speaker 3: very disruptive defense. They have Cato Luave this year, the
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  Speaker 3: transfer from Cal. And that takes a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: the sting off. We were talking yesterday about depth at
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah. This is the flip side of
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  Speaker 3: that same coin, right? Depth is wonderful to have. Depth
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  Speaker 3: is fantastic. How many wins do you have to shave
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  Speaker 3: off of your expectation if a star player or players win?
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  Speaker 3: becomes unavailable. There are very few fan bases with the
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  Speaker 3: same recent history of experiencing this, of knowing what this
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  Speaker 3: feels like, like Utah fans do. I will die on
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  Speaker 3: the hill that if cam rising is healthy and ready
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  Speaker 3: to go and, and Brant Keithy is healthy and ready
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  Speaker 3: to go. And you'd never have issues with Lander Barton
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  Speaker 3: staying a hundred percent healthy and all these different things
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  Speaker 3: that happened to that university of Utah football team that
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  Speaker 3: had a chance to go back to back to back championships.
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  Speaker 3: Injuries are what killed the Andy Ludwig run injuries are
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  Speaker 3: what killed the, the good vibes of that whole atmosphere,
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  Speaker 3: that whole relationship injuries and the way that they were
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  Speaker 3: handled is the reason that we will eventually probably have
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  Speaker 3: to convince cam rising to come back and have his
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  Speaker 3: name put on the side of the stadium in that
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  Speaker 3: ring of honor, instead of having him be like a
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  Speaker 3: guy who's constantly here and always talking about Utah football, right?
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  Speaker 3: That bridge needs to be rebuilt. And that's because of injuries.
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  Speaker 3: We saw what it looks like when you don't have
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  Speaker 3: your star players available. I mean, BYU is off to
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  Speaker 3: a really strong start. There were some ugly moments in
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  Speaker 3: that TCU game, in an ugly game overall, but how
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  Speaker 3: many wins are your star players worth? And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: this applies to every sport. This applies to every football
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  Speaker 3: team that you root for. I'm a San Francisco 49ers fan.
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  Speaker 3: They are, because of the way that their roster is structured...
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  Speaker 3: They are excessively dependent on health and on the star players.
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  Speaker 3: You got a bunch of guys that are in the
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  Speaker 3: top five, top 10 pay scale wise at their position
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  Speaker 3: in the national football league. And because of that, your
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  Speaker 3: depth gets compromised sometimes, not sometimes in a hard cap
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  Speaker 3: league all the time. When the 49ers are healthy, we
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  Speaker 3: know what it looks like. We see what it looks
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  Speaker 3: like when they're not healthy. when Fred Warner goes down,
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  Speaker 3: when Dre Greenlaw goes down, when Christian McCaffrey's not healthy,
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  Speaker 3: when Trent Williams is out of the lineup, when George
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  Speaker 3: Kittle ain't there, we've had an up-close-and-personal example of what
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  Speaker 3: it does, how it looks, what it means to a
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  Speaker 3: football team. So I want you, 877-353-0700, at RealOCsports.com. How
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  Speaker 3: many wins are your stars worth? First of all, let's
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  Speaker 3: determine who is a star player on this Utah football roster.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Devin Dampier is a star. He was capable of star
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  Speaker 3: potential and star production last year. He was not yet
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  Speaker 3: an established star as your starting quarterback last year. This
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  Speaker 3: year he is. Okay. Last year, your star players were
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  Speaker 3: fringe borderline Devin Dampier and Uh, they were Spencer Fano
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  Speaker 3: and Caleb Lomu. And of course, how much you depend
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  Speaker 3: on those guys to deliver you more wins is its
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  Speaker 3: own conversation. Your star players for the university of Utah
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  Speaker 3: this year, how many wins are they worth? Okay. So
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  Speaker 3: it's Devin damp here who goes on that list. It's
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  Speaker 3: way Sean Parker who goes on that list. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think we could put any of the offensive lineman on
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  Speaker 3: that list yet. Although zero way Williams and Al Harrison
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  Speaker 3: and these guys have done really incredible things. The nature
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  Speaker 3: of that unit is that the unit is more important
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  Speaker 3: than the parts of the unit, right? And offensive line
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  Speaker 3: is supposed to be greater than the sum of the parts.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be, in my opinion, a high NFL
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  Speaker 3: draft pick to really be an outlier. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 3: the Spencer photos. I'm talking about the Caleb Lomas. I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking about the Garrett bowls. I'm talking about Jordan Seton
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  Speaker 3: who left Colorado and is at LSU, right? By the way,
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  Speaker 3: BYU without Andrew Gentry, one of their starting tackles, the
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  Speaker 3: most experienced offensive lineman they have on their roster. I
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  Speaker 3: think that he probably would have been part of that
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  Speaker 3: star lineup. If you're making one for BYU. So Devin
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  Speaker 3: damp here, way Sean Parker, uh, Do we put Brayden
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  Speaker 3: Pagan in that yet? I think, I think most of
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  Speaker 3: us probably are willing to not that they're not irreplaceable,
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  Speaker 3: but we're talking a significant drop off. when those guys
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  Speaker 3: aren't in the lineup. And that's with respect to Steve
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  Speaker 3: Chavez Soto and Daniel Bray and Bam Bell and everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: But way Sean Parker has proven to us in four
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  Speaker 3: games so far that he is special and he's on his,
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  Speaker 3: he's on a special pace right now. Do we put
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  Speaker 3: Bird Ficklin in the same conversation? Is he also there?
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  Speaker 3: What about on the defensive side of the ball? Star players.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, your most productive tackler so far has been
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  Speaker 3: Trey Reynolds. I don't think we're ready to call him
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  Speaker 3: a star yet. Jackson Benny is maybe the only guy
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  Speaker 3: that you're willing to put that tag on for the
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  Speaker 3: purposes of a four-game sample size. I think. So heaven forbid,
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  Speaker 3: if you're without one of those guys or multiple of
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  Speaker 3: those guys for a week or two week, or in
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  Speaker 3: the case of BYU's returning offensive player of the year,
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  Speaker 3: LJ Martin, four to six weeks. And those four to
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  Speaker 3: six weeks are now all meaningful. These are conference games.
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  Speaker 3: These are games that overlap with the most important juncture
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  Speaker 3: of your season. LJ Martin is going to be out.
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow night against an Iowa state team that while it's,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's an offense versus offense type game. If
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  Speaker 3: LJ Martin is not there to counter attack, whatever Aiden
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  Speaker 3: Flora does for Iowa state is not able to cancel
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  Speaker 3: out that production. Do we believe that journey Tonga is
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  Speaker 3: capable of doing that? Or Devon Eka is capable of
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  Speaker 3: doing that. Maybe, probably not. especially when you're missing a
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  Speaker 3: starting offensive lineman as well, especially when the guy who's
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  Speaker 3: actually tasked, one of the guys who's actually tasked with
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  Speaker 3: stopping Aiden Flora, one of the best, most productive defensive
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  Speaker 3: players you've got, most experienced defensive players you've got, defensive leader,
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  Speaker 3: when he's not available to you, it really starts to
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  Speaker 3: shake what your expectations should be, and knock on wood,
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  Speaker 3: thank goodness for the University of Utah, We're only looking
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  Speaker 3: at an injury report today that says certain guys are questionable.
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  Speaker 3: Carson Kalfusi is questionable. We hope that we see him play.
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  Speaker 3: How many wins are your star players worth?
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  Speaker 5: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 3: Jake says, I would say two to three games because
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  Speaker 3: the Utes have really good depth in comparison to other teams,
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  Speaker 3: plus the fact that our schedule is favorable and the
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  Speaker 3: schedule absolutely has to be brought in here. My dad
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  Speaker 3: and I got into an argument about this this week,
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  Speaker 3: says Jake. Don't argue with your parents over it. However,
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  Speaker 3: it's worth having that conversation, right? If Devin Dampier goes
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  Speaker 3: down for a week or two, most of us are confident,
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  Speaker 3: especially because of the schedule that Utah has. As long
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  Speaker 3: as those weeks are not Houston and BYU weeks or
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  Speaker 3: it's like BYU and Arizona back to back, I think
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  Speaker 3: we're probably going to be like, okay, everything's going to
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  Speaker 3: be fine here. We could trust bird Fickley. We could
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  Speaker 3: trust the rest of the offense. We know what it
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  Speaker 3: looks like when the injury bug starts to pile up.
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  Speaker 3: How many wins is way Sean Parker worth? I think
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  Speaker 3: way Sean Parker, the way he's playing right now has
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  Speaker 3: elevated my expectation for Utah football. And it's not just
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  Speaker 3: way Sean, it's the collective unit here, but having that weapon,
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  Speaker 3: having a guy who's that capable, having that much of
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  Speaker 3: a game breaker for me has added at least another
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  Speaker 3: win to my expected total for Utah football, whether that
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  Speaker 3: comes in the form of a conference championship or a
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  Speaker 3: playoff game, or just a good old fashioned Vegas bowl.
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  Speaker 3: I think that I can add another win to To
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  Speaker 3: this Utah football, as long as way Sean Parker is
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  Speaker 3: healthy for the whole season. That's how impactful some star
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  Speaker 3: players are.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Depth matters. It's not only about your star players, but man,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes it's really about your star players. Remember how good
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  Speaker 3: Colorado looked when they had Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders
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  Speaker 3: and Jordan Seton all on the same team. It looked
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  Speaker 3: like they could actually play football. Not against the Utes, necessarily,
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  Speaker 3: but they could beat teams. They could outpace teams. They
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  Speaker 3: could run away from teams. And when guys like that
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  Speaker 3: are no longer part of the program, and there aren't
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  Speaker 3: any at Colorado right now. There's none. It's not that
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  Speaker 3: every player on that team stinks. It's that there's nobody
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  Speaker 3: to elevate. There's no... There's nobody who's an outlier. You
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  Speaker 3: got to have at least a couple. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if Kansas has outliers. I'm not trying to be overly cocky.
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  Speaker 3: We had Brian Haney on the show yesterday. If you
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  Speaker 3: didn't listen to it, ESPN 700 sports.com on the ESPN
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  Speaker 3: 700 app, you got to have somebody that leads from
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  Speaker 3: the front. So to speak, it's nice to have these teams,
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  Speaker 3: like we've seen in college football, we've seen an NBA
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  Speaker 3: basketball where everybody just pulls their weight and does their job.
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  Speaker 3: And you can rely on everybody to be like a
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  Speaker 3: B plus a minus type individual. The reality for most
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  Speaker 3: teams in college football is you got probably like eight
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  Speaker 3: bees on your offense and a minus an a, and
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  Speaker 3: maybe a C plus. You got someone who's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a weakness. You got most guys that are
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  Speaker 3: just like very above average, good enough to be starters.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to get beat. They're going to win sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Then you got maybe one or two. And if you're
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  Speaker 3: not Ohio state and Oregon and Alabama and Indiana, you
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  Speaker 3: got one or two guys that are like, Holy cow.
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  Speaker 3: Look what that dude's capable of. I think Utah's got
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  Speaker 3: like three of those guys on their offense right now.
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  Speaker 3: The AA, like the real AA plus guys. They might
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  Speaker 3: have four and two of them might be quarterbacks. How
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  Speaker 3: many wins are those guys worth? Jay on the text
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  Speaker 3: line says, I love and hate that LJ Martin is
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  Speaker 3: out for four to six weeks. I want BYU as
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  Speaker 3: healthy and good as possible on November 7th. Now they
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  Speaker 3: may be a three loss team. They'll probably lose to
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame, Utah, and an upset that will drop them
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  Speaker 3: out of the championship and the playoff go Utes. And Jay,
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  Speaker 3: I am with you a hundred percent. I know this
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  Speaker 3: is going to upset the 10% who want death to
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  Speaker 3: BYU hate on BYU, no matter the circumstance, always root
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  Speaker 3: against BYU. That's fine. I respect your vitriol in a rivalry.
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  Speaker 3: What is in Utah's best interest is, is for them
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  Speaker 3: to beat a really good BYU team on November 7th.
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  Speaker 3: Not a diminished BYU team. The best look for the
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  Speaker 3: University of Utah, when we're talking about a college football playoff,
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  Speaker 3: is to beat a number six-ranked BYU team, a number
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  Speaker 3: five-ranked BYU team at home. Now, BYU's not going to
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  Speaker 3: get there. I don't think. I think BYU's going to
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  Speaker 3: lose tomorrow night. I think Iowa state suddenly has become
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  Speaker 3: a massive problem for the Cougs. And that is not
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  Speaker 3: something I was going to say after Utah beat the
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  Speaker 3: brakes off of Iowa state. And really they did, even
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  Speaker 3: though the score indicated that it was a lot closer
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  Speaker 3: minus third quarter fall asleep, Utah smashed. Iowa state held
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  Speaker 3: their best players. Well below season averages physically won the
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  Speaker 3: battle penalty wise, won the battle. couple of self-inflicted wounds
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  Speaker 3: here and there. And that game gets closer than it
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  Speaker 3: should be. But Utah dominated Iowa state and then Iowa
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  Speaker 3: state recovered. Well looked really good against West Virginia. Aiden
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  Speaker 3: Flora reminded me that, Holy cow, I was underestimating Utah's
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  Speaker 3: ability to stop guys like this. I'm looking at it
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  Speaker 3: now and I'm going, geez, Utah where you all have
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  Speaker 3: that November 7th matchup circled and you got plenty of
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  Speaker 3: work to do. You got Houston before then you got
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  Speaker 3: a Kansas team. You can't fall asleep on, but now
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  Speaker 3: suddenly the big 12 conference is going to have a
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame team come into Provo and they were already
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  Speaker 3: more than the touchdown favorite. I haven't seen if the
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  Speaker 3: line moved today, but if BYU looks how I think
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  Speaker 3: they're going to look without LJ Martin, without Sione Mora,
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  Speaker 3: And who knows how long they're going to be without
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  Speaker 3: Isaiah Glasker. Those are three of the best 10 guys
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  Speaker 3: on the team. Two of the best five guys on
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  Speaker 3: the team included in that list. Suddenly bear Bachmeier has
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  Speaker 3: got to do it all himself. I mean, it's a,
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  Speaker 3: it's a nightmare if you're a BYU fan. If you
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  Speaker 3: apply that same thing to the youths, we've seen what
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  Speaker 3: it looks like in recent years. If you look at
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  Speaker 3: it from this year's perspective, and thankfully it's only a
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  Speaker 3: hypothetical right now, as I knock on wood, but how
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  Speaker 3: many times, how many wins come because Devin does something
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  Speaker 3: special way. Sean does something special. Braden pagan goes off Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: Benny gets two picks. or is a part of three
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  Speaker 3: big defensive stops that changed the face of a game. 6, 8, 4,
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  Speaker 3: 4 says BYU use record would be identical to this
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  Speaker 3: point without all those guys into this point of the season.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're at any threat to lose until
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame and Utah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Could be right. I think that the Iowa State game
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  Speaker 3: gets a lot more interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 3: BYU is now in big trouble when Notre Dame comes
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  Speaker 3: to town without their best player overall. That's LJ Martin. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: 63 51 says, I think this year's Utah basketball team
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  Speaker 3: is similar that there are no outliers on that Utah
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  Speaker 3: basketball team. We're going to find out. I think we'll,
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  Speaker 3: I think we'll pump the brakes on our expectations and
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  Speaker 3: figure out what they are as we watch it unfold.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk a little bit more with Gordy Chiesa when
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  Speaker 3: he joins us in about five minutes about that. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: 63 51 says most sports have an actual statistic for this. war,
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  Speaker 3: which is literally wins above replacement. You're right there. We
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  Speaker 3: don't keep war stats in college football. I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 3: some of the deep, deep analytics people do, but I'm,
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at way Sean Parker and I'm looking at
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  Speaker 3: Devin Dampier and I'm looking at bird Ficklin and I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at Jackson Betty and maybe Jai Moa or somebody
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  Speaker 3: else ends up putting themselves in that same category. But
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  Speaker 3: right now I'm looking at the big 12 conference starting
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  Speaker 3: to have, and really the entire nation starting to have
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  Speaker 3: some of these unfortunate injuries and starting to have some
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  Speaker 3: of the expectations shifted and changed based on these things.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: And it is a tough swallow when we're talking about
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: top 25 teams. If I'm on BYU radio today, I
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: am doing my best to hold it together. I am
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: scared you-know-what-less over an Iowa State team that now is
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: reading this same thing and going like, wait a second,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: they don't have their best defensive, well, maybe third best
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: defensive player. They don't have a top three defensive guy.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: They don't have the top one offensive guy. And his
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: best backup is also out. And their best offensive lineman
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: is also out. Massively problematic. And if I'm Notre Dame,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: even though I take it one game at a time,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: if I'm some like scout film analyst for Notre Dame,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I'm dancing a jig today saying that just made my
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: life a lot easier in Provo. If this guy's going
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: to be out, if I'm Kalani Satake, I am desperately
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: hoping that the next man up mentality that every college
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: football team aspires to actually applies to these young bucks
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: in my running back room. And it's not that they're
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: not talented. We've seen really nice flashes from both journey
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Tonga and Devon Eka. They both have a ton of talent.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: It's not an insult to them. It's not a commentary
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: on Aaron Roderick's ability to overcome something like this. It's
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: just very, very, very difficult to take the best player
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: off of a unit and say, I expect the same
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: production from that unit. The only real silver lining here,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: if you're BYU, is that it's not Bear Bachmeier. But
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: here's what happens. Without LJ Martin, we saw this against TCU, right?
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Without LJ Martin, that offense struggled. And Bear Bachmeier had
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: to shoulder the load himself in an ugly game, in
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: a wet weather game. had to basically use his legs,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: use his body, use his physicality to keep drives alive
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: and win the game for the Cougs. He's very capable
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: of doing that. He's the BYU, the poor man's version
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: of Tim Tebow. He's got that thing about him. He's
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: 240 something pounds. He's a beast, but he's also been
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: mostly protected this season and by the lack of need
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: for his individual production. And you knock on wood, and
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I really do hope for health for that whole team
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: moving forward. I want them to be healthy. I want
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: them to be at their best. I want Utah to
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: beat that because it looks better for the Utes in
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: every aspect. It looks better for the Big 12 Conference
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: if BYU's at full strength when Notre Dame comes to
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: town next weekend. Now they're not going to be, that's
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: a tough swallow. If you're a Cougar fan, if you're
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: someone who's peripherally just rooting for the big 12, and
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: it's a question you got to ask yourself about your
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: own roster as other teams around college football are starting
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: to experience this. How many wins are my best guys worth?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Devin Dampier is worth a lot. But because Bird Ficklin
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: is so good, we maybe have some confidence. And we
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: saw last year that without Devin, Bird could lead you
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to a win. Without Way Sean Parker, do you lose
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: an extra game or two? Without Zaraway Williams, would you
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: lop off one win, one expected win? If Jackson Benny's
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: not on your defense... Is he the only guy on
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: your defense or is the depth enough that you say,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I I'm looking at it from the conversation
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: we had yesterday and I'm going, well, I told you
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: there's four starting caliber safeties on this team and that's,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: that's true. So can you afford to lose one? Even
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: if he's your biggest star, probably maybe, especially with Utah's schedule,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the way that it looks, but it doesn't get easy
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: or easier as the season progresses. BYU is, In the
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: next four weeks, if LJ Martin is out for four weeks,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: they've got Iowa State, Notre Dame, on the road at UCF,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Arizona State. All of those with Notre Dame being the outlier,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: you feel like three of those four are pretty winnable games. Now,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: if LJ Martin comes back after four weeks, that means
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: he's ready when he comes to town to take on
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the University of Utah. That means he's healthy, he's rested.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Is he rusty? If he's out for six weeks, as
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the projection is four to six weeks, and if you're
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: a BYU fan, you're sending your bootleg peptides to the
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: football facility right now. If he's out for six weeks,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: it's Iowa State, Notre Dame, UCF, Arizona State, Utah, Baylor.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Baylor looks pretty darn good. We know Utah looks pretty
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: darn good. Notre Dame is a really good team. Iowa
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: state has shown some ability to be dangerous as has UCF.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: But if you're going chalk on those six weeks, I
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: think now without LJ Martin and who knows how long
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Sione Moa continues to be, I think he actually might
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: be coming back this week. Isaiah Glasker being out, hopefully
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: a limited amount of time for BYU, but without LJ Martin,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: you're already an underdog against Notre Dame in Utah. Are
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: you now an underdog against Baylor? If you don't have
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: LJ Martin for that game, something to think about.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: We got to talk some basketball, Alex Jensen and his
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: crew back in business. just from an exhibition standpoint. Utah
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Jazz continuing their preseason. Darren Peterson showing us some flashes,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: as we expected he would. We'll discuss all that and
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: more with our resident NBA guru, Gordy Chiesa, who joins
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: us next. It's the Sean O'Connell Show, just getting started
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: on a Thursday. ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Peace out.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show. Welcome in our
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: good friend, NBA insider and longtime coach. Gordy Chiesa brought
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: to you by Aladdin Industries, your Utah V-Lux dealer. Hey, Gordy.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: Welcome.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: How are you?
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: Sean, I'm doing well. Thank you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about the expectations shifting for this
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz team. And I know that the preseason is
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: just that. It's the preseason. They lose one 17 to
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: one Oh six to the nuggets, but Darren Peterson, the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: number two, overall pick 23 points in 30 minutes. Some
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: nice things from ACE Bailey as well, although he wasn't
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: terribly efficient with his shooting. What were your thoughts on
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: the performance for those young players?
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: Well, Darren Peterson, it's how he got his points. He
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: shot 10 for 18 from the field, but I call it,
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: he was a rocket driver. He got in that lane
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: and made, made plays as far as either shooting the
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: ball or kick out for the open three point shot.
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: And he played with a lot of confidence and, And Sean,
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: he's a guard. He's not a point guard. He's a guard,
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: meaning he can play two guard and also sometimes point.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: But his best part of his game is that his
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: talent level and he's fearless. He gets that ball, you
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: have the feeling that he's going to make something happen.
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: And that's really what the Jazz need. Now, with Ace Bailey,
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: second year now, they're much more physical trying to guard him.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: That's the first thing. And the second thing is that
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: His roles are just some where, whether he starts or
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: off the bench, he has to find that sweet spot
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: for him as far as being aggressive with the ball,
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: as far as shooting it, but also defensively being able
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: to guard his position. And so, Sean, last we talked
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: about the Jazz defensive concerns last year. Let's fast forward
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: more importantly. I know it's only two games, but the
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: indicator right now is that the Jazz are much more
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: aggressive defensively. So that's good. That's positive. But the problem
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: is that so far they lack consistent technique. So, for example,
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: in the loss the other day against the Nuggets, is
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: that the Jazz allowed the Nuggets 42-3 throws. The Jazz
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: shot 12. They were outscored from the foul line 30-12, meaning, what,
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: 18 points. And so the learning point about that is
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: that you've got to– the question is always, any sport,
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: how can I have– sound technique with physicality. And it
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: all starts with what, instead of using your extended hands
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: and holding somebody or shoving somebody, you've got to master
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: how to use your chest, your shoulders and your footwork
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: to get leverage. And that's what the jazz are trying
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: to attempt to do. So far, it's been a struggle.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Gordon, I've been meaning to ask you about this. When you,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: when you have young players who are clearly, at least
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: for me, the most talented players on the team, right? And,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and in some ways already the best players on the team,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: although talented and best are not always the exact same thing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: How difficult is that for the veterans to manage? When
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: you've got a young guy who needs to learn the
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: way of things and is someone that needs to be
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: taught and needs to be talked to, if he's a
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: better basketball player than you, he's a more talented guy
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: than you, maybe he doesn't want to listen to you.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: How do they manage that in an NBA locker room?
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: It's based on a personality of the people doing the talking. So,
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: for example, Larry Markkinen is a skilled player, but it
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: seems to me he's quiet by nature. And so he'll
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: do his talking by his performance on the court. So
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: it's the little things that you say to somebody and
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: your voice is choice, how you say to your peers, okay,
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: that we don't like what you're doing right now. Say,
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: for example, just for the narrative right now, where you're
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: coming late for practice or you're way too loud in
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: the locker room, you're way too boisterous about yourself, how
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: well you played. And so... The counterpunch to that is
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: your voice. And you've got to make that young player
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: know that even though we respect your talent, you have
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: to understand that this is about our team. And that's
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: that invisible, Sean, that every locker room, and you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: you played sports, that it's all based on what? The
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: chemistry of a group. And that's what makes certain teams elite,
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: other teams only average, or many teams disjointed because of
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: the invisible match between the veterans and the young fellas
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: that have star potential.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: When is an appropriate time for Darren Peterson, Ace Bailey,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Keontae George to kind of take over the locker room?
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And not in a bad way, but just to be like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: all right, now we can be the ones that, you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: everyone is looking to. I mean, is it in year one?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: If you're Darren Peterson, is it in year two? If
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: you're ace Bailey?
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: I absolutely not. No, it's county Georgia right now in
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: year four. Those guys haven't done anything at all yet.
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: As far as the words, the jets have never made
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: the playoffs. So that the learning point about this is
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: that you can start being more vocal in a positive way.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: And that's the catch word is, after you show performance
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: as far as winning, not just you playing well yourself.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: This is a team sport, and it's so interwoven. It's
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: the most amazing thing, the NFL and the NBA, that
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: it's truly a team sport. And so you've got to
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: showcase your talents, but you have to understand about your
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: teammates and floor mates as people. And that's where it
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: gets so interesting. Also, the maturity index. When does a
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: person maturity kick in? Is it age 22? Is it 32?
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: Is it 42? Or is it never? And that's the
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: great unknown. And that's the beauty of sports. You think
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: you know about chemistry, but you don't. So it should
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: be Keontae George. He's got an element of street cred
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: in the locker room. He has played well. Now he
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: has to showcase that by now playing on both sides
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: of the ball. Offensively, he's been really well, terrific. Defensively,
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: he's been lacking. So now for Keontae to be a
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: team leader, he has to show by example.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Where did she is our guest here on the Sean
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: O'Connell show talking Utah jazz basketball. Yusuf Nurkic is one
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: of these guys that is supposed to help out on
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the defensive front. He's a good tone setter for physicality
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: and things like that. And today's NBA, I have never
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: heard of this injury with the partial planter plate tear
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: of the second toe in his right foot, but it
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: is severe enough that he's going to miss the at
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: least four weeks of this upcoming season. How did the
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Jazz handle that?
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: It's a concern. So the first thing, let's describe right now, Sean,
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: Yusuf Nurkic. We call him the Brazian Beast. That's his nickname.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: He's 6'11, 290 pounds. So, again, for the listeners, think
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: about being 6'11, 290, and all the wear and tear
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: on your, Sean mentioned a second ago, on your second toe.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: on your right foot. And so the plate, as far
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: as the texture, as far as being compromised and the
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: holding them out. In other words, in layman's term, he
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: basically has a soft foot from jumping and running and
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: twisting and turning. Also, by the way, he's age 32.
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: And so think about Yusuf Nurkic's frame. I call it
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: lumberjack frame. So there's so much stress on the lower
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: part of your body because you're so strong upper body.
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: He's going to miss probably They say four weeks, Sean,
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: but usually it takes slightly longer for big guys because of, again,
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: their body frame. So I'm saying basically that he'll miss
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: probably between 14 to 16 games to start the season.
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: 14 to 16. So the question is, who does the
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: Jazz start? The option could be Jackson Hayes as a
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: rim protector and a high-jumping shot blocker. And then during
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: the game, they can move over to Jaron Jackson for
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: some of the minutes. If they're playing in a position, Sean,
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: that's relatively small and more finesse center, they could play
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: Larry Malkin as a stretch five, which is advantageous. And
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: then the backup of all of it would be playing
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: Mo Bamba six to eight minutes. Or the backup to
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: the backup to the backup would be Kyle Filipowski, who's
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: hurt right now with a back concern, he could play
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: as a lightweight five-man, again, certain positions. Last point about that,
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: as far as economics, the Jets are under contract right now,
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: 14 players. So if they choose, if someone is waived,
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: the next Sean– 10 to 14 days, if they like
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: that guy as a backup, they could sign him. It
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: doesn't affect their salary cap. So there are some options
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: that Jazz have right now is that with Yusuf Nurkic,
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: the doctors don't want to bring him back too soon.
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: So they're going to be sure that his foot is
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: going to be healed. And it's like any sport. You
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: don't want to play a sport in season with bum wheels.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Especially big men in the NBA, right? I mean, that's like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: it's the one thing that you hate reading about hearing
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: about when you're talking about these, you know, six, 10,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: seven foot seven, one guys, even when they're lean, they're
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: 270 something pounds. You got all these little micro fractures
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: and pressure injuries and things like that. You never like
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: hearing about feet, ankles for big guys.
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: So, again, because of the wear and tear on your body,
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: you can be strong as far as muscle density and shoulders.
• 39:02
  Speaker 7: You have a wide frame. That's commendable. And that's for collision.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: As far as body on body, frame on frame, you
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: can match up. But the flip side is now the
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: lower part of your body, meaning your legs and your
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: ankles and your feet. That's where the stress really is.
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: They get so much wear and tear on a player's body.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: LeBron James, as far as sitting out in preseason, I
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: know why. Because he has an element of arthritis, which
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: is perfectly normal for a lot of people, especially age 42,
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: with all the wear and tear on his body. So
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: they're holding him out. He could play if it's a
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: regular game. But the Sixers are right now arresting him,
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: and he's doing light work. And that's all part of
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: the NBA. The NBA, like the NFL, the whole season
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: is a war of attrition. Who can absorb injuries as
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: far as a team until you get to the magical
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: land called the playoffs? And then it's based on, it's
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: a much lesser rotation as far as players. And we
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: got to the playoffs. Now let's see what we can do.
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: But in the meantime, suddenly you're the, Sean, you're the
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: 14th man on the roster, and that's wonderful. Now within
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: two weeks, you're the 11th man. Within two months, you're
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: the eighth man on the roster. And the question always is,
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: are you ready mentally, physically, and spiritually to perform? That's
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: the question as always.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Couple more minutes here with Gordy Chiesa talking all things basketball. Gordy,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: you and I have spent a lot of time talking
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: about the global expansion of the NBA product, and they
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: have decided to double and triple and quadruple down on this.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: There's plans for NBA Europe to move forward. And I
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: thought that there would be some type of merger, that
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: there would be some type of integration of existing EuroLeague teams.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: But the EuroLeague team owners voted on that and rejected
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: the a merger offer this week, somewhat to my surprise,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: maybe it's just my ignorance speaking, what was your reaction
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: to seeing that EuroLeague owners don't want any part of
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: NBA Europe?
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: Sure, because they're the owners and they have the markets
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: and they have those wonderful cities. So for the listeners,
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: the first thing, the NBA is trying to create a
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: league where it's NBA Europe with... in conjunction with FIBA,
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: which is the international governing body of basketball, and also
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: it's soccer. However, the EuroLeague is part of FIBA, but
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: like always, these owners are profit-driven, and they have a
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: good thing going where their fan base is very loyal,
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: both basketball and we know soccer is amazing as far
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: as their fans are. All right, so the NBA wants
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: to partner with the European League, but the European owners
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: said no. We're not going to give so far the
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: way the rules are. Are we partners or are you
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: going to take over eventually? Because we know that Amazon
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: Prime Video and ABC, ESPN, Disney, and NBCUniversal, they want
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: part of that European market as far as basketball. And
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: here's the cities that... The European owners don't want to
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: give up to the NBA. Madrid, Athens, London, Paris, Istanbul, Rome, Lisbon, Portugal,
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: and Berlin. These are all viable cities. So, Sean, in
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: the NFL, they play games in London like it's a
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: home game for those teams. And so they played games
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: already in Frankfurt in the NFL. And this is the
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: NBA now trying to take over the– The European League.
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: Let's point about that. Oh, by the way, just say
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: there was a merger and eventually the NBA had an
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: expansion after having a trial with these teams. The union
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: of the NBA Players Association has to approve this eventually
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: where we're going to send our people over to Europe.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: We want to be compensated for it. So there's way
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: beyond just playing it right now. The target date possibility,
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: if they rework the terms of agreement, would be probably
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: the 27-28 season. But there's so much work to be
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: done as far as a clarification of who owns the team,
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: what percentage of revenue, and more importantly, the TV partners.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Gordy Tyrese, Halliburton. We've talked about him and what kind
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: of impact he could have in not only Indiana, but
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: in the East of the NBA, if he's back and
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: he's back and looked pretty good, looked healthy first game
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: in more than 16 months. What kind of impact is
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: he going to have on the Eastern conference race?
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: And a 16-month show is also 400 days. Can you
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: imagine not playing a sport live in competition for 400 days?
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: So the answer is he'll have an impact very much.
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: The Pacers, we all like those guys because they have
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: superior coaching in Rick Harlow, and they play a certain
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: type of a speed game, but with the element of fundamentals,
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: And it's one for all, all for one. So they're
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: really a fun team to watch. With Halliburton, for the listeners,
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: is that he got hurt in Game 7 in 2025
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: versus the Thunder. And we all thought the Thunder might
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: be the next dynasty after the Warriors. And suddenly last
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: year the Spurs didn't cooperate. And even the year before,
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: there's Sean. You know, I talked about it, that if
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: Halliburton plays in game seven, we don't know if there's
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: any thunder right now as far as possible being what?
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: A dynasty. He played well last night. The game was
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: at his former alma mater, the Iowa State Nationals. University Cyclones.
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: And how cool about this? He bought the student section
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: on both ends for the student body. It was a first-come, first-served.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: The students got there at 11 o'clock at night the
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: night before to get those seats and to cheer for Halliburton.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: What happened, Rick Carlisle took him. He played 16 minutes,
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: but the fans kept on yelling his name that Rick
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: told Halliburton to go in the locker room, take off
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: his sneakers, and come back in a.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: With what I used to think as being on in loafers.
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: So the fans kept on yelling and Halliburton kept on
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: pointing to his feet and said, what? I'm not even
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: dressed right now anymore. I love it. Again, the fans
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: with their enthusiasm. And you know about Iowa State, I
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: had to mention, you know, Jeff, that's Jeff Hornacek, former
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: Utah Jazz great, has a level mount in case you're wondering, Sean,
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: the class of 1986.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Cyclones 86? I didn't even realize that for Jeff Hornacek.
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Jeff Hornacek with 1986, and Jeff Hornacek was a
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: second-round pick. So, again, you and I talk about this
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: all the time, is that whether you're drafted first round,
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: second round, undrafted, it's irrelevant. Once you get on a gridiron,
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: once you get onto the court or the dominant baseball,
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: it doesn't matter whether you're drafted or not drafted, can
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: you perform? And that's the beauty of sports.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Gordy, the first segment of the show, I was talking
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: about how many, how many wins your star players in
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: football are worth to your franchise or worth to your,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: your college football team. Cause BYU is out without their
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: best player for the next four to six weeks. And
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: they got some huge games coming up with Notre Dame
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: in there and maybe Utah. He's out for the full
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: six weeks in basketball. It's obviously different. Individual players have
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: an even greater impact in basketball. Which NBA player is
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: worth the greatest amount of wins to his team?
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: Wemby. Victor Wemby Amber.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Yes. Okay.
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Wemby. And before that was Michael Jordan. And LeBron. Absolutely.
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: But Wembley right now in the present tense, when Wembley plays,
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: the chances of his team winning are absolutely greater. And
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: also right behind that slightly Nikolai Jokic of the Denver Nuggets.
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: So those two guys have the most impact of anybody
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: in the NBA because they really help their team as
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: far as all around. So even though Jalen Brunson played great,
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: he has a lot of bunch of sidekicks also that
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: are really talented, too. And, you know, Luka Dante's an L.A. Lakers.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: He's a wonderful player that's one-sided as far as offensively.
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: But Victor Wembyama can do everything for his team, and
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: he does it with such a smile on his face.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I know that it's too early to be getting fully
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: into basketball on the college level. Utah men's basketball, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: a guy you know well, Alex Jensen, was successful in
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: an exhibition against UNLV. And look, exhibition basketball, I'm not
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: here to draw massive conclusions one way or another, but
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: second year, coming in, you've had more time to build
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: your program. The investment that we keep hearing about seems
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: to be taking shape or at least helping improve this.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: We also know what an uphill climb it is. Realistically,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: it's supposed to be in the Big 12 Conference. So
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: what should our expectations be in terms of a leap
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: forward for Utah basketball?
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: Sure. One, it's the best league in the country, top
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: to bottom. That's the first thing. I'm a Big East devotee,
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: but the Big East is not nearly as good as
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: the Big 12 overall. And the Big 10, who's a
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: juggernaut in all sports, but the Big 12 from 1
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: through 12, which is probably 1 through 16, is an
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: amazing league. All right, so for Alex Jensen's crew, if
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: they could win... We'll say seven league games this year.
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: That'd be really positive. That's positive. That's a point in
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: the right direction. And also, looking at the schedule, the
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: non-league schedule, they really don't go on the road at all.
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: So they have a chance to get momentum and confidence
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: by playing all those home games. And so that should
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: be interesting. What you want to do with a young
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: team is develop confidence, where this is how we're winning.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: We won this game, and here's the reasons why. So
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: today with Alex Jensen, with the film work, when they
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: broke down the game against UNLV last night, they're going
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: to point out the positive things they did based on
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: the practice drills to reinforce it. So a lot of times, Sean,
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: players question, why are we doing all these drills? Sometimes
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: they're monotonous. And what happens when you're a coach, you
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: want to show the– During the film session, the exact
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: thing what happened in a positive way based on the
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: drill you did for the last two weeks in practice.
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: And that reinforces that the drill work is absolutely critical
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: how you do it in the game.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: What's the list today, Gordy?
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: The list today, Sean, let's talk offense for a second.
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: This is only a Baker's dozen, Sean. So here's the
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: question to you, Sean. How much is a Baker's dozen?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Thirteen.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Thirteen.
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: I love it. That's right.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: I know Sean, you're a college graduate university, Utah slash
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: Weber state. So I know that you knew that quickly
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: NBA leaders in the most regular season games of scoring
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: 35 points or more for a Korea regular season. I
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: cut it off at 13. This is a who's who
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: in basketball, 35 points or more Korea wise quickly attributes.
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: To be a dominant punt producer, one, you need ball skills,
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: range shooting, and physical toughness. Two, be able to drive
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: the ball to the basket and finish. Three, if you
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: get fouled before that, you're a three-throw line resident as
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: far as scoring the ball from the foul line. And four, mentally,
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: you've got to be an alpha dog personality, supreme confidence baller. Hey,
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: I'm the best player on the court, especially in the
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: fourth quarter. Give me the ball. I can do magical
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: things for us. Here we go. Number 13, Steph Curry
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: had 168 games so far of 35 points or more.
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: Number 12, all-time, Dominic Wilkins, 170. Number 11, Kevin Durant, 182.
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: Number 10, Jerry West, 188. Number 9, Allen Iverson, 193.
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: Number eight, Elgin Bela, 197. Number seven, all-time, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 198.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: Number six, James Harden, the only lefty in this group.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: He's scored 202 times, 35 points or more. Number five, all-time,
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: Oscar Robinson, 213. Number four, the late, great Kobe Bryant, 236.
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: Number three, LeBron James, 249 times. The second greatest ever
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: score as far as 35 points or more in games
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: is Michael Jordan, 331. And the number one player of
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: all time, his nickname was the Big Dipper, of scoring
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: 35 points or more in a regular season NBA game
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: is Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt did it 381 times. Thus, That's
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: my list of today. Jazz basketball, just one note. Karl
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: Malone did it 151 times, 35 points or more.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Incredible.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: Incredible.
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: Wilt.
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: Sean, I didn't say 25, 35 points or more. Wilt
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: did it 381 times. That's insane. It's a shame that he.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: he played in the era that he did instead of now.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: So like we didn't get to the contemporary fan doesn't
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: get to fully appreciate myself included.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: Remember Sean, he was, he was seven foot tall, two
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: 75 waist, 34 inches.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: To talk about shoulders and everything else as far as
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: upper body strength. That was him.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Gordy. I always appreciate your time. We'll talk again soon.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
• 53:18
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• 53:21
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• 53:24
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• 53:27
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• 53:30
  Speaker 3: we'll take a break. A very brief segment to close
• 53:33
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• 53:35
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• 54:45
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• 54:50
  Speaker 3: He's at eight under. Jordan Smith is one shot off
• 54:53
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• 54:57
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• 55:03
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  Speaker 3: legend CSPN, 792 on FM. for the Murdoch Hyundai.
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  Speaker 9: You're listening to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Welcome in the
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: legend Eric Weddle, Ring of Honor inductee earlier this year
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: at the University of Utah. friend of the program, E-Dub.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Welcome back. How are you, sir?
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: What's up?
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: What's up?
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Doing great. Can't wait for the game on Saturday. Wide out.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Helmets are fire. Got our game tomorrow. Get a dub
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: and then enjoy the weekend.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Have you wished Utah head football coach Morgan Scali a
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: happy birthday yet today?
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I shot him a text and told him he hadn't
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: even hit his prime yet. He's like, 50s inch and
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: closer and closer. I'm not sure I want to get there.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I don't worry about it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: He's still in great shape. 47 for Morgan, if I'm
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: not mistaken.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Thriving.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: If we all can look that good at 47, I
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: think we're doing all right.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: If at 47 years old, you're making millions of dollars,
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: you look as good as he does, you got a happy,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: healthy family, and your football team is 4-0, you don't
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: have a lot of things to complain about.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Definitely not. Definitely not. So I should see him very
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: happy and smiling when he comes across the presser today.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Did you, did he come visit last weekend on the recruiting,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: on the recruiting trip?
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: He did. He did. It was quite the surprise and
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: really cool. We don't, you know, Gage and I, especially Gage, right? Like,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: having a head coach of a program come watch you
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: on a bye week when he could give you anyone
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: in the country was really cool. And it was a
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: great game to see him, to visit with him, and obviously,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: not obviously, but Gage did everything in his power to
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: help us win and put on a pretty good performance.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: So it was really cool, really cool for Morgan. and
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: humbled by it, and it kind of shows where Gage
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: is at priority-wise and how they feel about himself.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Big win for you against Del Norte, 33-21. The aforementioned
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: son of Eric Weddle, Gage, had 137 yards and two
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: touchdowns passing, 168 yards and a tutty on the ground
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: as well. What did he do on defense? Geez, what
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: a lame game.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, he had 10 tackles, a sack, forced fumble,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and again, we've played six games this season, and he
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: has yet to allow a catch in his coverage. He
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: doesn't get much action in the passing game, so he
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: just kind of runs around and just tries to knock
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: people out and keep everything in front of him. so
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: he did his thing 110 snaps played which is just
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: insane like I don't know how he does it but
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: luckily he does for us as a team and all
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: the other All the other guys we have on the team,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: the Warriors, we had guys playing through injuries and guys
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: that hadn't played all year that had been called upon.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: So credit to the coaches, players, the team. We scored
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: 20 in the fourth to come from behind and take
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: that victory. So moving forward, moving on, moving forward.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Congrats on that. I mean, that's awesome to see. It's
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: the time of year in football and even more so
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: in high school football because you're a little bit ahead
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: of the schedule today. for college and certainly the NFL,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: but it's the time of year where like teams are
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: starting to deal with injuries and things are starting to
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: pile up. And even some star players around the country
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: are starting to go down. And I know you've seen
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: the reports out of Provo, LJ Martin, their star running
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: back offensive player of the year in the big 12 conference.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: He's going to be out for the next four to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: six weeks, four weeks keeps them out of the Notre
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Dame game. Six weeks keeps them out of the Utah game.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: So we'll see exactly what happens there. But it, it
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: inspired for me a larger conversation, Eric, about how much
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: the star players on a football team actually mean in
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: terms of like wins above replacement. Like if you take
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Gaines Weddle off of your high school football team, your
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: win loss record looks a lot different. If you take
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle off of those old youth teams, the win
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: loss record looks very different. I think if you take
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: LJ Martin off this BYU team for six weeks, their
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: win loss record looks different. You obviously played it at
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: the highest level and there's depth in certain positions and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: some teams do better with that than others. And Utah
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: looks like they're a pretty deep team this year, but
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: there's some guys like I'm, I'm looking at way Sean
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Parker and I'm saying, man, how many wins is that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: guy worth by himself? So when I take like just
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: the stars that you played with, or you played against
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: just the elite, elite, elite at whatever level, how much
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: is an individual running back safety, anything but a quarterback?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: How much is that guy worth in terms of the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: win loss column?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, what a great question. Man, I think it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: comes down to obviously the position and then the depth
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: at the position and then what are they being asked
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: within the scheme and the side of the ball that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: it may be. I think the higher level you go,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: the less impact it has. and overall wins and losses,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, because, you know, the coaching, the players
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: are much more at an equal rate or the drop-up
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: isn't as big. And shoot, I mean, that running back
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: that got in there last week, what a cool story
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: for BYU. I don't remember his name, but I think
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: he's a walk-on and did his thing in the second
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: half or whatever it was and ran the ball well. So,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I just think it's going to be a hit. Hopefully
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: it doesn't have that big of an impact, but I
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: think it'll, it'll show itself against the better teams because
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: you're taking away, uh.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Martin's a superstar and he's not just a good back.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: He's a star. So it will have an impact, but
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like the wins and losses, I would
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: say maybe one, like, give or take like one, it
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: would be one, one winner loss that he's not there.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: In my opinion.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: But maybe not, maybe not have that big of impact
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: overall because I've been like, we didn't have LT. I'm
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: just thinking about the times that star players like LeBain
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: and Thompson, we didn't have him in the second round
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: of playoffs at Indianapolis, but we still won because we
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: had Michael Turner behind him and Daryl Sproles, which, are
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: really good players. Yeah, they're not star like a Canadian,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: but they're, and we manufactured it and made it work,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: and there's other examples, but it'll be interesting to see
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: the games that BYU over the next four to six weeks,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: hopefully he's back because we want him back, but if
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: he's not, if it will have an impact over those
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: games getting missed.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Notre Dame game, it's Iowa State on
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Friday night, and then it's Notre Dame next weekend, and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: that one was already circled for everyone for very obvious reasons,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: and I think that you know, with LJ Martin fully healthy,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: you feel decently confident hosting a really good Notre Dame
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: team without your best overall player on the whole dang
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: team that even from a mental standpoint, that's, that's a
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: hard thing to overcome.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent, a hundred percent. And hopefully I still
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: think they can, I think BYU is going to beat
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: them personally. I don't think Notre Dame's all that. And
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I think it's a perfect game, defensive game. situational football.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: And then it comes back to the head coach and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: culture and belief and inspiring and connection and all those
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: things that Kalani does so well. that maybe they could
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: be in, which I expect, an inspired group, maybe a
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: running back type by committee, then Bear runs the ball more.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whatever it takes for a game against
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, so we'll see what happens.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: All right, now let's talk about this Utah football team
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: coming off a bye week where there's been so many
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: years where we're like, oh, what a great time to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: have a bye week. So-and-so's banged up and injured and whatnot,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: and knock on wood, thankfully, this Utah team has been
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: relatively injury-free, very serious injury-free, and that's your guy Steve
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Saunders having an impact, certainly. But when you've got your
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: full roster and you're in a bye week and you
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: can just kind of clean some things up, what do
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: you expect now on Saturday night against Kansas? You're already
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: better than them. You've already played some pretty clean football.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: What should this team look like off a bye week?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: First, let's always give a shout-out to Steve. You know,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: there's a reason why. I think the way Morgan handled
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: the spring, the summer, and camp had an impact on
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: how our guys are feeling and how they are trained
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: for football. And honestly, the truth is in the pudding.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: And I've said it all along, like, the training is top-notch.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: So got to give a shout-out to Steve like you
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: already did. On top of that, I think when you're
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: able to focus on ourselves and have the guys out
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: there to do so, right? We talked about the techniques
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: and fundamentals and getting back to the basics and really
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: hammering situational football like that. It just accelerates the process
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: of a team getting ahead of everybody else because you're
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: not having to hold back practice players. You're not having
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to hold back guys from practice because they're injured or
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: they're banged up and you're not getting those physical reps.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: So I think it's huge. I think we're going to get... Kansas,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: their defense, I think, will give us some... It's a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: good matchup for us to see how we handle a
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: good defense, a good run defense. I think what they're
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: strong at is what we like to do offensively. I'm
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: excited to see... what wrinkles we added, what different variations offensively,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: how are we going to, if we do stumble, what
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: is the counter, how are we going to adapt? So
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see that. And really just to continue
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: our style of football and really clean, penalty-free, exciting, physical,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: smash-mouth football that we're known for, but also innovative and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: explosive football and continue to progress with being a championship team.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: What do you think of the white-out uniforms, the icy helmets?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: I know that a fashion show is not your favorite thing,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: but it's a big deal for the fans.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm actually surprised.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: That we're doing it for a home game because it's white,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 8: so we usually don't... I don't know if we've ever wore.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: White unis at home. I don't know if you'd be
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: able to answer that for me but i think it's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: cool like the guys like it the players love it
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: switching it up like i leave it up for our
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: leadership committee to figure out what we're wearing every week
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: and the accessories to because it's what the players want
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: right and if they're excited and they're juiced up geeked
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: up to go wear these white unis and the helmet
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: like it's awesome and if you're I don't know. It's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: hard for me to have a negative thing to say
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: about it. So I'm excited to see it. I'm excited
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: to see the stadium on TV. I don't have nothing
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: going on Friday night or Saturday night, so I'm going
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: to be sitting in my theater watching the game, primed
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: maybe with a root beer zero, and watch us smash
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: the jig on it.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Is that the dad beverage of choice now for the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Utah football legend, root beer zero?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Well, if I have any energy drink left from the day,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I'm allotted one energy drink usually a day. And in
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: most cases, that carries over to the next day. I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: usually sip on it throughout the day, and then I
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: usually have it the next day because I don't really
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: drink a full one because it's a lot. But, yeah,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, anything like, you know, cherry Coke, zero. I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: like to, you know, if I could get a soda
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: a day, that's, I think that's okay. It's not too
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: over the top. Watch us do work. Pretty simple life
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not judging. I'm not judging. I'm a chocolate milk guy.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: That's my beverage of choice. Just a gourmet chocolate milk.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: There you go. Do you add extra chocolate or do
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: you just buy it already made? What's the go-to for you?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Putting chocolate syrup into regular milk, that's what we did
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: when we were kids before we had our own money.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Now Now I'm willing to spend some premium. I'll go
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: to Whole Foods even to get my chocolate milk. That's
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: the gourmet thing I'll.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: Put in the fridge.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's on another level, man. I don't know. Can
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: we still hang out?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Next time I come over, we'll sit by the pool.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: We'll sip some chocolate milk. It's a weird combination, but
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: it's good stuff.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm totally down. I'm totally down.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: Have you talked to anyone in Michigan, Eric Weddle?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I, I texted coach with the, I
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: think the night before, two days before I was the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: weekend of my, when I was going in the ring on,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: and I just told him how much I loved him,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: appreciated him. And this never would have happened without him.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: And he shot me a quick text back as coach
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: with fashion would do. And, uh, just saying, you know, whatever,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. You're welcome. Whatever. And so honestly, uh,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: and we've talked about this, I have not spoken to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: one coach or anyone from Michigan since that whole fiasco
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: of my comments about Underwood and the lack of QB play,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: which we're all seeing. And so it's really interesting and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: unfortunate because actually the only coach that I've had talk
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: to is Coach Powell, and he's texted me randomly, and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: we've stayed in touch because of the Ring of Honor
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: and just the College Football Hall of Fame and You know,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: it's bigger, I think, with him and some other guys,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: so I appreciate that. But the other guys, unfortunately, I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: haven't talked to, and it's all good, I get it,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: but it's really unfortunate that you're going to lose out.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think Michigan really, in the grand scheme of things,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: had a chance with Gage. He really liked it when
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: he went out there, but From what I did or
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: said to have an impact on myself when there's a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: lot of other bigger issues with other kids and their parents,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: that that's the stance you take is unfortunate. But, hey, again,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: I don't lose sleep over Michigan. I really could care
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: less if they win or lose. And, you know, I'm
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: youth through and through. Like, I've been my whole life
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: and always will be. But, really, it's unfortunate. on that
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: sense because I think my relationship with those guys are
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: bigger than anything else. And if they had an issue
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: or problem, they should have just called or texted me,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: but they never did. So in my mind, it's not
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: an issue and we're moving forward.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: It's honestly, I didn't know that there was like a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: silent treatment thing going on that that's crazy to me,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: but I don't want to get further into it because
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it'll resolve itself at some point. You are
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: a football coach now and we all, we all see
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: what's going on there. And whether it's a love or
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: a hate reason that you're watching Michigan football, there's at
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: least a curiosity with this Utah fan base about what's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: going to happen there. If you're a coach, don't you
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: have to make a change at the quarterback position based
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: on what we've seen?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's so much more involved with that situation, right?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: Like, how much.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: We're not in those meetings. We're not in the game plan.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: We don't know exactly what is being taught. For the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: most part, we can... we can guess. And as in,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, in my mind, like I can kind
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: of tell what is being asked or where I should
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: be and this and that, but, uh, you can't, uh,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: if you have an opinion, then you'll get killed for it.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: So it's just, you kind of just go with the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: flow in that instance. But I don't know, like the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: money involved could put a roadblock on making a change
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: right now. If I, if I were them and, to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: jolt this team in offense, you need to make a change.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: And I know you're not going to relieve play calling
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: duty from coach back. He's historically been a really good
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: play caller. And at times like, yeah, like you're, you're
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: figuring it out. So are they still going to figure
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: it out the next seven games with the quarterback and
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: the situation that you've already seen through spring, summer training
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: camp and five games in, or do you make a change?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: And whatever that is, whether it's quarterback change, whether it's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: play calling change, You need to make a change for
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: the team and the team dynamics because it sounds like
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: there is definitely some friction and or the team is
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: breaking up. And as a head coach... You have to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: always make decisions on what's best for the program and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: what's best for the team and keeping the team together
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: and competing and fighting every single Friday or Saturday night.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: So I believe that as a head coach, a change
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: needs to happen. Now, is it warranted for the quarterback?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of other issues with that team and offensively.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: From what I've read and seen from the limited time
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: I've watched them, so that's ultimately up to Coach Witt,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: and they've got to figure that out But at the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: end of the day, they're just not very good. And
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: we'll see if they can rebound.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: I'd expect them to rebound with Coach Witt and just
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: the lead leadership of that.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: But he's only been there six months. He's trying to
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: turn around a culture that we built and he built
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: and had a standing for 20-plus years at Utah.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 8: People don't understand to build a culture and to– to
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: instill those characteristics, it takes time.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: And now you're struggling, having some adversity. Who's going to
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: be the expense of the head coach and to have
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: his back, right? Like, I don't know.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: It would be interesting to see. So I think changes
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: need to happen. Long story short, any changes need to happen.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: What those changes are, we're going to eventually find out.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle for another minute or two. You want to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: talk about how the San Francisco 49ers are 4-0 right now?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's tip our hat to the Niners. Every week
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: or every other day, I see another guy going down, though.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: So is that ultimately going to be the story of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: the Niners?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: Don't do that. Don't bring that up. Let me just
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: enjoy this for now.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Niners, hold on. Do I need to call Lynch and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, to save the season and move forward
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: to maybe make this more than just a second-round exit?
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: Do you need to come get my boy Steve and
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: to change the way you guys are working out so
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: you guys are healthy like the Utes did. So I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: don't know. Is that something I need to do for
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: your Niners, or do we need to keep Steve worried that?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: You tell me.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: I was hoping you were going to say, do I
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: need to call John Lynch and say I'll come out
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: of retirement again? You know how many Eric Weddle 49ers
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: jerseys I would buy if you ever signed?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Hey, I look good in red. I'm not denying that, but.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: They're, hey, party's MVP level, even though he struggled for
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of that game against the Broncos. And I'm
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: just waiting for a team, you know, to make the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Niners do something that they're not good at. But, man, Shanahan,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: not a better play caller in the NFL than him.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: It's just when big games come around, then he tends
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: to forget how to play call or time management and
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: those types of issues. But that's a Niner thing. That's
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: not an Eric Lowe thing.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 8: You Niner fans have to answer those questions and those
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 8: types of things.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Will they win in Seattle this weekend?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Do I think they'll win in Seattle this week? I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: don't think so. But I wouldn't be surprised if they do.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I think Mike McDonald in Seattle, even
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: though the Chargers ended up scoring a bunch of points
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: in the third quarter. I think they'll force Purdy.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 8: To do things that he's not very well equipped to do,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: and that's throw outside the numbers, throw past 15, 20 yards.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: I think that's what he'll do. He'll pack the paint.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: He'll get them off the spot. But Purdy's playing– Purdy's
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: always played good. So the only time he struggles is
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: if he gets pressure and he has to move off
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: the spot and has to throw outside the numbers.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Can he do that? And then can Seattle score on
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: the Niners? The Niners have got one of the best
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: teams in the league, I think, for the most part.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: And so I think it's going to be a close game, toss-up,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: rivalry game. And I can say going both ways, obviously
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: I'll take the home team because I think they're very
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: similar in defending champs.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: The Vikings are also 4-0, which I think, at least
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: for me, was a decent surprise. The Kansas City Chiefs
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: are 4-0. And with that, it's Niners, Vikings, Chiefs that
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: are still undefeated teams right now in the NFL. Are
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: all three of those teams for real as at least,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: you know, legit playoff teams? Or are the Vikings going
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: to come back to earth?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think they're playoff teams. I don't necessarily think
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: the Vikings at this point, seeing Kyler Murray play quarterback,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a Super Bowl team as of
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: right now. Kansas City, obviously, because of the experience and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: the history. And the Niners, so that's three. Who was
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: the fourth one? Was there four?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: No, there's three. It's Chiefs, Niners, Vikings.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those threes. Yeah, I think the Chiefs and Niners
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: are legit Super Bowl contenders. I'm not sold yet on
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: the Vikings until I see better quarterback play and offense play.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: They're winning because of their defense right now.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: The Is it time for the Chargers to reconsider the
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: whole Jim Harbaugh thing?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think they will because they're notorious of hanging
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: on head coaches for a long time. I don't know
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 8: if it's because continuity or they would rather not pay
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 8: two coaches at once.
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  Speaker 2: But from everything I'm hearing and reading, it's how it's
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: been the last two years as Harbaugh has run that ship.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: You look at their schedule and how are they not 0-9?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: And then you're looking at Holy's most total rebuild, burn
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: it up, you got the number one overall pick, potentially
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: their top three pick, then how do you rebuild this
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: roster around Herbert?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: And then is Herbert the guy going forward? Maybe you
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: trade him and get a bunch of first-round picks and
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: going a different direction?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Those are the questions that are going to happen because
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: I don't see it turning around, and it's unfortunate.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: What would you do with that Herbert situation? Because it's
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: kind of a love-hate with the fan base. Even some
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: analysts are like he's not the problem, and some are
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: like he is the problem. What would you do with Herbert?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I already know that he is. he's a franchise quarterback. Now,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: to what level that is, that's to be determined, right? Like,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: he's had a struggle in the playoffs, but he's shown
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: that he can lead a franchise. So you don't want to, like,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: bank on some young kid. Like, I wouldn't do that.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: So I would continue, like, I know they drafted the
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: tackles over the last, like, five years. They drafted some
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: top talent on the offensive line, and they've just been hurt.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: you've just got to remind yourself, like, hey, I'm trying
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: to build around him. They don't have any weapons on
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: the perimeter. So if I have an overall pick, I'm
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: drafting Jeremiah Smith, or I'm trading back to get a
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: second first-round pick or third, like three first-round picks, and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: I'm getting, like, multiple receiver running back types to give
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Herbert and have them grow together, right? So if there's
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: the depth at that receiver position or maybe tight ends–
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: For running backs, if there's enough talent, high-end talent, I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: would– because I think they're still a couple years away,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: so really is Jeremiah Sons going to make that big difference?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: If you feel that way, then you take them. If
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: you think the depth is there, trade back, get a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: couple of other picks, and then build your roster out
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: around Herbert. So I'm keeping them, and I'm building around them.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: All right. Final prediction for Utah-Kansas before I let you go.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Uh, we're playing at home. What's the spread?
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: I haven't even looked. I think it's eight and a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: half for Utah.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: Honestly, I think it's.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Going to be like a 34, 10 type game. Maybe
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: like a, maybe, maybe like a 28, 31, seven, uh,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: I think they win by double digits. I don't think
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a 40, 50-point output from what
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: I've read on their defense. And then depending on the rain,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: who knows on that. I think it's a 17 to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: 20-point victory, 30 to 10 around that area.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: I lied to you. It's 15 and a half for
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: the Utes.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Okay. I still stick with what I'm predicting.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: 68 and wet is the forecast, but they never get
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: it right in Utah. We got crazy weather.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: All right. Appreciate you, dude. Have a great weekend. Good
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: luck to you and your Broncos, your Rancho Bernardo Broncos.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: Tell the family we said hi.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: You got it, brother. Love you.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: Love you, dude.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: That's Eric Weddle, the Utah football legend, all things college football,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: high school football, NFL football. You could pick his brain up.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: on all of it. And yes, Morgan Scali, remember last
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: week in our conversation, Eric anticipated that, you know, during
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: the recruit or during the bi-week, there would be someone
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: down there to have a little visit with Gage Weddle.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: It ended up being RSNB Utes on Twitter, the head coach,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scali, and Gage went off for 110 snaps, 300
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: plus yards on offense, three touchdowns. And a big defensive
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: day as well. So it's not like you didn't know
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: you wanted him. It's not like Morgan Scali didn't already
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: know that that's like the potential jewel of a recruiting class,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: but hopefully it goes a long way with the Weddle family.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: And how about that? When I asked him the Michigan thing,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: he had not revealed that publicly, as far as I'm
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: aware that Michigan basically stopped recruiting gauge Weddle after he
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Eric made those comments about Bryce Underwood, which again, he
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: is fully correct and vindicated on, but you're gonna compromise
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: your ability to further add talent to your roster based
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: on some pettiness or a fear of how the local
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: fan base is going to react. Makes very little sense
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: That that's wild. Also breaking news. Weddle says, I don't
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: think Michigan really had a chance at gauge. Well, it
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: had past tense. So, uh, I think we can rule
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: out Michigan for both of those things. We just said
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: as a landing spot for gauge, which may, which you
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: got to feel really good about a Utah fan. You
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: cross off a blue blood that might've been in the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: way of landing gauge. Weddle the, I'm not going to
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: cross off any blue bloods on any player. Now gauge
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: is going to be less than, influenced by a big
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: fat check than other student athletes, than other recruits for
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: obvious reasons. But in the era that we're living in
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: with modern recruiting and modern college football, because of the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: ability for teams like Michigan, if they want to, or Oregon,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: if they want to, or Texas, if they want to,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: to roll in and just say, Hey, you want, you
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: want your whole entire future set for you, whether you
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: play a snap for us or not, whether you make
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: it to the NFL or not, here's some NIL funds
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: because of that. I hesitate to completely write anyone off, but, uh,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: that is encouraging news to be able to eliminate at
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: least one big time program with obvious ties. I mean,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: Lewis Powell is a great recruiter. Kyle Whittingham mentored Eric
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: to a certain extent. Um, Jay Hill, same thing. So
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: those guys may be out on the recruiting trail, which is,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: if you're a Ute fan, doesn't guarantee that you're going
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: to get the guy because Georgia and Texas and BYU
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: are after him in a big way. But it's not
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: a bad thing to eliminate one suitor, so to speak.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:26:44
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• 1:26:46
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• 1:26:52
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• 1:26:55
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• 1:26:58
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• 1:27:01
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• 1:27:06
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• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: operating in Utah, technically illegal, but they're not prosecuting them.
• 1:27:15
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• 1:27:18
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• 1:27:21
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• 1:27:25
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• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Cal she, one of the top predictive markets out there
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: right now, Georgia 38% chance to win the sec followed
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: by Alabama and Texas tied at 23% LSU given a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: 9% chance Ole miss in Florida, both with a 2% chance.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: All right. Big 10. Ohio State, 45% chance to win.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Indiana's down to 22%. Oregon at 19%. UCLA at 4%.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: Cal State does not mention Michigan. Going to have to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: be less than one there. ACC seems to be the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: league with the least parity in the mind of this
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: predictive market. 74% chance given to Miami to win the ACC.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: SMU is next with 6%. Wake Forest sitting third with 5%.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: And here we are in the Big 12 Conference. According
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: to Kalshi, as we head into another week of college football,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: Friday night game for BYU against Iowa State. BYU, 16%
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: chance to win the league. Texas Tech, 29% chance to
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: win the league. James Peterson, what do you think Utah's
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: percentage assigned by cal she is byu 16 texas tech
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: is 29 where do you think utah's at they in
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: between are they behind texas tech i'm going to say
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: hopefully somewhere in between i'm going to say 18 they're
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: tied with texas tech for 29 most likely this is
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: right now so this is taking into account lj martin's
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: month plus absence yes this is like if you if
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: you're into this which you're not allowed you drive to
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: wendover to do it or if you're in saint george
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: right or southern utah drive to mesquite to do it
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: of course you drive to mesquite you put it in
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: on your phone on the calci app i mean that's
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: that's what they tell you that's what these companies tell
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: you you have to do casinos and whatnot they tell
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: you You've got to be present in the state where
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: it's legal.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: So if you're going to bet at a sports book,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: for example, old school, you've got to drive to– Wendover.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: You drive across the border to another state drive to Wyoming.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: At one point draft Kings, it really worked that way
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: because I have the draft Kings app on my phone
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: and I tried to place a bet when I was
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: in like Florida or something. And I was like, yeah, Florida,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: everything's allowed here. You can have pet alligators. You can
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: have a tiger.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 8: It wasn't.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: And it was like, sorry, you can't do this. I
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: was like, what the heck? So you you close enough
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: to Georgia or something? You drove? No, I was just,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: you just didn't. I just button mashed on my phone angrily.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: What did I do?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 8: Wrong.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: Walking around to people. Hey, do you have any one
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: of those VPNs? I could, I could hide the presence
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: of my, my internet geo tag or whatever. So yeah, Utah,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: 29% chance, according to Cal she tied with Texas tech.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: So up there and look, it's the big three right
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: now on On the Calci odds, just like in the rankings,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: I'm sure this is a tweet that compiled the top
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: teams in each league. But I'm sure you can find
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Houston odds and Oklahoma State odds and stuff like that
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: as well. But Utah, the predictive markets are saying you've
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: got just as likely a chance to win the conference
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: as anybody else in the conference. This is... something I
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: alluded to when we were talking with Gordy Chiesa, Euro
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: league and Euro league members and owners have rejected an
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: offer to join NBA Europe or to collaborate with the
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: NBA on a European basketball league. They want to be,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: they want to say their own separate league. They don't
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: want to merge into this new NBA year. Now this
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: is really interesting to me. This feels like a major
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: inflection point for European basketball because the NBA Europe would not,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: there would be zero chance that it could fail. If
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: the Euro league owners were like, yes, okay, fine. We
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: will collaborate with you and maybe negotiations can continue and
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: maybe future collaboration is a possibility. Realistically, like Gordy Chiesa said,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: the NBA probably wants to control everything. They would probably
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: want to come in and change the way that Euro
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: basket does a lot of things. And for that reason,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: these owners, especially owners of already profitable franchises over there,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: were probably like, no, we're not going to accept that.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: This is now a test of just how powerful the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: basketball brand in the world is. The American basketball brand
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: in the world is. Because the NBA should be too
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: big to fail any of their ventures. They should be
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: so dominant, so established now that everything they do should work, right?
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: The G League works. I don't know how profitable it
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: is for the owners there, but it works because of
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: its association with the NBA. The WNBA worked because of
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: its association and its supplementation by the NBA for decades
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: until finally in the last couple of years, really, it's
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: taken on a life of its own and a profitability
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: of its own. And they're experiencing their own growing pains
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: and having to manage their own stuff and poor leadership.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: And what do we do with these Sophie Cunninghams and
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark's and Asia Wilson's? And like, how do you,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: how do you deal with stars? Because guess what? They
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: have them now. And for a long time, all respect
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: to the great players in the WNBA that preceded the
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: current crop, they weren't for the most part, stars on
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: the same level as the group that that is playing
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: right now. So the NBA has been this powerful entity
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: that either props up or keeps alive or launches all
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: these different franchises that end up working out. Okay. At least,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'd have to do a deeper dive into
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: the G league to, to really get to know just
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: how bulletproof the NBA's business ventures are. But your old
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: basket saying no, instead of looking at the landscape and
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: saying like, if you can't beat them, join them. Your
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: league is saying, no, we're going to beat you. We
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: are already established here. We already have fan bases. We
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: already are signing the best talent that was either in
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: your league or wanted to be in your league. And
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: they came over here instead. This is going to be
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: a fascinating thing to watch because if your league has
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: decided to I want to compete against the NBA. And
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: the NBA says, well, we're still going to come into
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Europe and we're going to compete against you. There will
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: be an eventual winner there. Or maybe the NBA will
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: never concede defeat, even if they're trailing behind and they
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: just keep dumping money into Eurobask into their NBA Europe.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: How do you set the player market? How does Eurobasket survive?
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: How does Euroleague survive the If the NBA just offers
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: more money to players, because you would, of course, if
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: you're a basketball player, the ultimate goal is not to
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: play in Euro league, unless you're someone who just refuses
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: to live in the United States of America. Every one
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: of these guys wants to be an NBA player. Would
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: you rather, if the money's even similar, would you rather
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: stay and play for Barcelona? And they, they play, they
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: wear the same colors and do the same vibe as
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: the football team, the soccer team. Would you rather play
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: for that well-established longstanding? They pay well, or if the
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: money's similar, would you rather play for an official NBA affiliate?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: The answer is probably you'd rather play for the NBA
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: affiliate because you would hope that it leads to an
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: opportunity in the NBA. Some kind of pipeline to the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: NBA for sure. It's interesting in the original ESPN.com article,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: it cites that, EuroLeague was created after FIBA and a
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: league called the ULEB, which is mostly the Italian and
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: Spanish leagues, but they added more as time went on.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: They were rival basketball leagues for the European continent, right?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: And so they've already had... this in their history. This
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: was early 2000s. They've had this in their history where
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: they tried to have two big super leagues, if you will,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: in European basketball exist, and they couldn't really coexist. So
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: you would think that the brand power and the money
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: that NBA owners have, and thus the league has, that
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: they would be able to figure out a way to
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: coexist if no merger could come out. But It's not
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: a guarantee that NBA Europe is the one that's the
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: last one standing if they can't figure out a merger,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: because EuroLeague's been around way longer, and on that continent,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: that is the standard for basketball. You would think that
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: the NBA would win out, though, but NFL Europe never...
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: That fizzled out. They didn't have a rival league, but still,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: big brands don't always succeed when they try to expand. Ultimately,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: this becomes... It's kind of like... I am really fascinated
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: by things like this. Like, you know what Jollibee's is?
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: It's a fast food franchise that's, like, ubiquitous. It's huge
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: in the Philippines. Oh, okay.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: Jollibee's is their thing. Shout out to Jordan Clarkson, Filipino.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: They have like fried chicken and spaghetti and it's just,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: it's kind of a weird menu, but it's their thing.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: And there's a couple in the United States. They've expanded internationally,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: but in the Philippines, Jollibee's is so big that and
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: so good. And so firmly entrenched as a brand that
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: it has kept burger King subway McDonald's and some of these,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: you know, we think unbeatable brands from really having a
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: major foothold in a, in a ton of success dominating.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: And they're still there in the Philippines. They're still there,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: but they don't have the market cap and the market
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: share in the Philippines that that they do, that they
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: do it anywhere else. And it's like crown burger versus
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: McDonald's here. Like he just can't compete against crown burger here. Well,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: here's another thing, right? Have you ever watched that documentary?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: The donut King? No, I haven't seen it. Okay. You
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: should watch it. It's really fascinating. It's about a Cambodian
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: guy who has made it so that like Dunkin donuts
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: doesn't have any traction in the greater Los Angeles area.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say in Cambodia, the
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: greater Cambodian era. No, this guy was a Cambodian immigrant.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: But from L.A., yeah. He was a Cambodian refugee, ended
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: up in L.A., and basically learned how... Wow. He fell
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: in love with donuts, and then he started franchising all
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: these other donut places. To this day, if you go
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: and you buy donuts in Southern California, the likelihood that
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: it's a Cambodian family behind the business is incredibly, incredibly high.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 8: And.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: the mom and pop shops there are so successful and
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: so entrenched that even like Dunkin' Donuts has had a
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: hard time. So that's what we're talking about here. We're
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: talking about this brand, the NBA, that is supposed to
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: be too big to fail, going in and taking on
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: an already established local competitor. And that local competitor, rather
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: than rolling over or selling out, is saying, no, we're
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: going to go ahead and fight you on this. which
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: is a crazy bold move. Can you imagine being a basketball, anything?
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: And then the NBA comes along and says, Hey, we
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: want to buy you. We want to partner with you.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: And you say, no, I'd rather compete with you. I
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: applaud it. I love it. It's nuts. Like if the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: NFL decides that it wants to roll into Canada, right?
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: We want to expand. We want a Toronto franchise. We
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: want a Vancouver franchise. We want a Saskatchewan franchise, the NFL.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: We're going to roll NFL football. You guys already like
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: tackle football, Manitoban franchise. Shout out to all the provinces.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: Shut up, Winnipeg. You don't get one. Imagine though the
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: NFL comes rolling up North of the border. And it's
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: just like, Hey, Ottawa red blacks. We like this Bryson
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Barnes kid that you guys signed. We really want to
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: collaborate here. Of course they like Bryson. Who doesn't like
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: to pick farmer? We want, we want to make, you know,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: we want to make our franchise and your franchise. Like
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: we want to partner. We want to figure something. How
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: about we make the Ottawa red blacks? They're an NFL
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Canada franchise.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: And imagine the CFL just being like, nope. cups bigger
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: than the super bowl anyway. I mean, imagine. Yeah, no,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: we we're, we're firmly established here. We have brand loyalty here.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: The Argonauts will never be an NFL team. Can you
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: imagine this? That's what the NBA is facing now. And
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: I know it's never going to be like the number
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: one sports story. I promise you this will be whether
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: it's five years from now, 10 years from now, 50
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: years from now, this will be a very fascinating untold
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: or 30 for 30. I, I, I desperate James, let's
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: find a Euroleague franchise owner and get them on the show. Yeah.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: .
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 8: .
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: has said, no, NBA, if you're going to
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: come into the European continent, we're going to compete with
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: you instead of collaborate with you. Yeah. Come to think
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: of it, too, there's been plenty of in-state college basketball
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: stars who had most of their pro careers overseas in Europe.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: We might be able to use those guys, too, to
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: get in with the ownership to compete. comment on this situation. We'll, we'll,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: we'll effort it. And we're going to give James some homework.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: He's got to watch the donut King. Yeah, I do.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: By the way, I think he ended up getting himself
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: like in crippling debt because of sports gambling, if I'm
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: not mistaken. So it's a, you know, the Venn diagram
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: crosses over full circle. It all comes back. Can we
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: do it? Let's fit in a quick injury report and
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: then maybe we can double up. Get the edition with Devin.
• 1:43:53
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• 1:43:55
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• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: Thankfully is not all that daunting for Morgan Scali and
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: his crew as they head into a weekend where they
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: will host Kansas whiteout night game. Can I Lopez is out.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: I Garcia is out. Unfortunately, that is becoming the story
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: of Ike's Utah football career. You hate to hear that.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: Can I, by the way, is that not the guy
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: that people identify as a, of it? hasn't been played
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: as a special kind of person. Hasn't been, you didn't
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: let me finish my sentence.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: Hasn't been played yet. Can I Lopez gets a shout out.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: We already recorded edition with dev, right? Can I Lopez
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: gets a shout out from dev? Not, not for being injured. Okay. No, no,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: he doesn't. So listen to dishing with dev and see
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: what he says about, can I Lopez the, the Hawaiian
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: tight end who unfortunately has not been impactful this year
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: because he's been banged up questionable. And this makes me
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: a little nervous. Questionable against a really good run team
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: in Kansas, Carson Kalfusi and also Semitel Longa, but Carson
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: Kalfusi being questionable. This is, he keeps appearing on the
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: injury report. Good for him playing through some of this stuff,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: but questionable to probable to hopefully available in initial injury
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: report has Carson Kalfusi is questionable. Semitel Longa is questionable.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: Can I Lopez and Ike Garcia are out? Kansas has
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: got a pretty long list of guys who are out.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: Nobody that jumps out immediately as like huge contributors. Brian
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: Haney did tell us yesterday that it's the number two
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: running back is out. And that that's a pretty big
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: loss for any program to have your, your change of
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: pace back out, especially team that runs as well as
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: they do. So we'll see how that impacts them. Trevon McAlpine,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: by the way, is a great name. Absolutely. Just the
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: all-name team. Defensive tackle, Trevon McAlpine. Wonder if he has
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: any roots in Utah County. Get it?
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 8: McAlpine?
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, McUtah County, maybe. See what you're doing with your
• 1:46:32
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  Speaker 3: what's going on at the Bay Current Championship? I guess
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  Speaker 3: what went on in round one of the Bay Current Championship? Yeah,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: so they're playing in Japan. So, you know, that's what.
• 1:47:36
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• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: on the show before we wrap things up. Thursday night football.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: Not the most stellar of matchups. Tampa Bay is the
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: only winless team left in the NFC. There are four
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: in the AFC that have yet to win a game.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: Tampa is the only 0-4 team on the NFC side
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: of things. They take on the Dallas Cowboys. That is
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: a road game for the Buccaneers, who have lost 33-27
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: to the Bengals, 23-19 to the Browns, 23-16 to the Vikings, 17-14...
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: to the Packers. The, the, the Cowboys are not great.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: They're having pass rushing problems, but the Cowboys are two
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: and two. And this is one of those Thursday night
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: football games, nine and a half point favorites, by the way,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: are the Dallas Cowboys. This is one of those Thursday
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: night football games that if you have, I don't know,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: Halloween costume shopping, you want to do tonight. If maybe
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: you want to carve the pumpkins and leave this on
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: in the background and kind of semi pay attention. I
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: don't anticipate that this is going to be your best
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: game of the year in the National Football League. Two
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: and two Dallas Cowboys lost to the Giants beat the
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: commanders lost to the Ravens beat the Texans 3430 which
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: might be a more impressive impressive win if preseason expectations
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: for the Houston Texans actually held true. But the Texans
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: are 0 and 4 one of those Oh, and four
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: teams in the ACC that we just mentioned.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: Hey, AFC.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: The AFC.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: We're talking a lot of college football, right? Now it's
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: interesting just how close the games, the bucks had played,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: like all those scores you rattled off one score games,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: a couple of them, one of the, a field goal game,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: another one, four point game. So one of those own
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: four teams that's had terrible luck in one score games,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: or maybe just that's indicative of like coaching or, Players
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: not being able to execute well down the stretch for
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: whatever reason. Baker Mayfield's still out, right? That's part of things. But, like, man,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: you expect at least one of those close games to
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: go your way. So just a tough start to the
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: season for the Bucs, obviously. But it feels closer to
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: being right for them than your typical 0-14 based on
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: those scores, don't you think? Well, yes. And when you
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: talk about them being close games, the– It's just not
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: turning into points for the Buccaneers. They're not able to
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: get it in the end zone. They've got more first downs,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: total first downs than their opponents through those four games.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: They're out gaining people on the ground, 24 rushing first
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: downs to 21. They're just not, you know, we've seen this. Honestly,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: Utah plays a team like this. Kansas, their numbers and
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: their points don't match up, right? Yards on the ground, especially,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: they just aren't, they're stalling out in the red zone.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: They're having to settle for field goals. They're missing some
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: of these field goals. And the Tampa Bay Buccaneers need
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: their quarterback back. It's just, right, they've three passing touchdowns
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: on the year in four games. They've thrown more interceptions
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: as a team than they have passing touchdowns on the year.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: Yikes.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: They've, they've given up 16 sacks. The average right now
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: in the NFL through four games is like seven and
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: a half sacks. And they've given up 16 so far
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: this year through four games. That's those are college football numbers.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: That is not good. And you know, good luck to
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay trying to get into wind column tonight on
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: the road. Oh, you're not pulling for the Cowboys. No,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: I never do. I never will. And, and this seems
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: like a winnable game for as winnable as an Owen
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: 14 can have at this point in the season, because
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: it's not like Dallas has been spectacular either, but you know, the,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: the betting odds have this being probably a comfortable win
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: for Dallas at home. So we'll hopefully it's a better
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: game than it looks like on paper, by the way,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: if you don't want to, if you get bored of
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: that game, we've got, we've got the only MLB game
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• 1:53:38
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• 1:53:41
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• 1:53:48
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  Speaker 5: Went down a deep local MMA rabbit hole last night.
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  Speaker 3: And sent me a grainy video. I appreciate it.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: Watching my Yanks just... trip over their own. You know what?
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: The bats weren't quiet. I'm like, you know what? I
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: want to see if this Berkman, uh, you know, video
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: deal is real. If it's out there, it's out there.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 5: Jeremy Horn, Josh Berkman, you described it exactly. I went
• 1:55:42
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• 1:55:47
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  Speaker 8: Really?
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: And I saw Josh this morning. Didn't have time to,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: didn't have a chance to bring it up with him.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: It's like 20 something years old.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: But here's what I'm thinking. Rematch. rematch yeah josh is
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: 45 and jeremy is 52 jeremy's 52 now 51 51
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: he's eight years older than me.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: What do you what do you think would happen if
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: those two fought right.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: Now uh probably kind of the same thing.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: Josh claims jeremy took the coward's way out what's the
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: coward's way out he wanted to stand up and strike
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: And Jeremy.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: Didn't watch the fight. Look, man, took Jeremy down three times.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: I wasn't there.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: I'm just telling you what my friends on Reddit said.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: It makes no sense. Josh, Josh picked Jeremy up and
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: slammed him like twice and then took him down another time.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: So maybe he was just mad that he lost.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 5: Do you know the origin of the beef?
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 5: You have to know.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: I really don't. You're, you're part of the deal. You're
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: a local MMA celeb. It's preceded my, uh, My training
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: at Jeremy Horn.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: Well, my understanding after reading the Reddit threads is that
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: was very unlike Jeremy to do.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: It is very unlike Jeremy.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: And the funny thing is there, there's like a MMA
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: blog that interviewed Jeremy after and Jeremy basically, he apologized,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: but he's still, he's like, I still hate him, but
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: I shouldn't have done that. Essentially.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: The origin of the beef is allegedly it's online. So
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: it must be true. Josh said some untoward things about
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: Jeremy's significant other. And that made Jeremy upset.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: That would make sense.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: I feel like you don't want to talk about this.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 9: I don't.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: I wasn't training at Jeremy's gym yet. You're the one
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: that told me about it. How am I the expert?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: And you're over there, duh. I didn't even know it
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: was a thing until you told me yesterday.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: And then you spent an hour on Reddit?
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: More than that. The baseball game was boring, dude.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 5: You know, it's funny watching... I've been watching the Yankees
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 5: since 1990, and I badly miss the old Yankee Stadium.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: The new Yankee Stadium is basically a glorified mall. I
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 5: don't want the option of buying sushi when I'm at
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: a baseball game. The energy in that building was dead
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: right away. So, like, they're not getting done. So, just
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: decided to learn more about our local MMA scene. Okay.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: Are you a Halloween guy? Are you a let's get
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: dressed up and get crazy for Halloween?
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: Have you ever been?
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 5: Not even, like, in college?
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 8: What?
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. Because I was working in bars
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: and clubs on Halloween in college. And when you talk
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: about the worst night of the year to be working,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: it is Halloween.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 5: That makes sense.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: Because everybody is scantily clad. All the dudes are fired
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: up and ridiculous over the whole thing. They're all still
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: going home alone like they would any other night. I'll
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: push back on that.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: They get extra froggy on Halloween. Full moon. They're dressed
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: as somebody else, so they think there's a subconscious, I
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: can do what I want now. It's not good.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 5: Speaking of which, Venus is currently in retrograde.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 5: Went to yoga this morning.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, great. Can we talk about something that's actually salient?
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: Well, I was just going to let you know you
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: have until October 18th to process the last 18 years
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: of your life.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 7: Okay, wow.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 5: And then Mercury will move into retrograde. And then apparently
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 5: that's when all the manifestation, all the 25-year-old white women
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 5: do comes to fruition.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: Makes perfect sense. They're all thriving.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 5: Just warning you.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: They're all doing great.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 5: You're welcome.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: Hurricane Rachel is... Going to actually hit Salt Lake City,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: according to multiple weather reports.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: Is this what we're dealing with this weekend?
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: The tropical depression will not reach its full strength until Monday.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: But moisture, wind, rain, et cetera, expected for Saturday night,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: potentially because of a hurricane here in Utah. Isn't that funny?
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 5: It seems odd to me.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Of course, we have to call it Hurricane Rachel.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 5: Good call.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: Come on. I got you.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 5: No, that was good. That was good.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 5: The Utah accent is undefeated.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: Milk.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 5: Mountain.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: Layton. That's not even an accent. It's just a mispronunciation
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: that is endearing.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: Hurricane. Sure, sure. Will you be attending the football match
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 5: on Saturday?
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: You will?
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: I will.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 5: Will you be on the sideline?
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: Depends on how wet it is, I guess. They have
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 5: kind of changed the guidelines.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: Also, they're putting in those northern end zone boxes. I
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: spend a good half of every game standing there on
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: that wall, my back to that wall. So now I can't.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 5: Well, maybe as a former player, you will be afforded
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 5: grace that someone who didn't play there was not afforded.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 5: Because I was standing where you're describing. chatting up with
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: the guys that do the nets when the field goal
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 5: thing happens.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: And I don't know who did this, but they sent
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 5: this poor 18 year old intern over to the sideline
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 5: where I was standing. And he said, can I see
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 5: your credential? I said, sure. He said, you got to
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 5: go to the press box.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: It's probably because you were like sitting on the bench
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: and stealing helmets from kids.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 5: Hold on. We'll get there. We'll get there.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: Like, Hey dev, Hey dev, grabbing a ball, throwing it
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: to him.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 5: I didn't quite do that.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: Morgan! Hey, buddy. Happy birthday.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 5: Slipped the grip. You don't know what that means. So
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 5: then the gentleman who does the net, very nice guy,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 5: turns to the intern and says, do you know who
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 5: that is? And I said, please don't do that. And
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 5: then as I was walking to go up to the
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: press box, several... It's like, dude, that's Ryan Seacrest. You
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 5: can't send him up to several... Is that Brad Pitt?
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 5: several enthusiastic north end zone fans start yelling get out
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 5: of here spence they were celebrating that i was asked
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 5: really yes so that's number one maybe they'll afford you
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 5: grace okay and i want to be clear because paul
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: if you're listening and we know that you are hi
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 5: paul i'm happy to i don't want to cause any
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 5: trouble i belong in the press box that's fine i
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 5: mean local celebrity whatever it's not a big deal okay
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 5: um so utah state game okay on the sideline walking
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 5: around Go on the other end to watch Utah State
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: warm up.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: It's hot.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 5: Had a long night the night before. Like, I'm going
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 5: to have a seat on the bench all the way
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 5: down at the end.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 7: Okay?
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: So it's Utah State's bench, adjacent to where they're warming up.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 5: Sat down for five minutes. Walked around the field. Went
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 5: up to the press box.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: Did the thing.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 5: Get the call. Can't sit on the bench.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 8: So.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe you Bronco got mad because you're sitting on his bench.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: I don't know who got mad, but somebody, I think
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 5: I do know, but somebody escalated the message. Like, Hey,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: Spencer's sitting on the bench. It was 45 minutes for
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: the game. Let's be clear. But the point of the
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 5: message is I would like you to now test these
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 5: boundaries because I've been scolded and I need to make
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 5: sure that I'm not causing trouble.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: So you want me to walk around on the sideline
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: during the game? Don't you know? I am.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 5: You can say that if you'd like. I just, being
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 5: a former player, And maybe you have former player vibes,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: you know, I mean, you look at me and you're
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 5: kind of like, is that guy like a male model?
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 5: You don't, you're not like a football player.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, it's awkward and embarrassing at times.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 5: But you look at you and you're like, that guy
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 5: must've played here at one point.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think that that's the
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: reaction from either of us, honestly, but it's fine.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: You, you give off football player vibes.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: Okay. That's good.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: It's all right.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: Especially when I played basketball.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 5: No, I don't ever want to play basketball.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: That's what I guess. That's what I give off football
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: player vibes. Uh, okay. Before I get out of here,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: how many wins is LJ Martin worth on the, on
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: the BYU football roster?
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: It's a great question. Um, well, you know, when, when, when,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 5: when we had a ride on the show, he actually
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 5: talked a lot about Sione mall also unavailable this week.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 5: Um, it makes it really hard to believe that they
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 5: can be Notre Dame. I think they're going to be
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 5: fine this weekend against Iowa state, but I wouldn't be surprised, Sean,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 5: if that game in the second half is a little
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 5: bit dicey, you know, I didn't, I was stayed hung
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 5: 45 on West Virginia, maybe West Virginia is atrocious defensively,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: but I didn't think they could win a game like that.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 5: I thought all year long, Iowa state was, is going
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 5: to be 2017, 17, 14, you know, whatever. Um, I
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 5: have not checked the line this morning. I would imagine
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 5: it has moved because they're without Isaiah Glasker. They're without
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 5: Andrew Gentry. They're without Raider to Mooney. They're down to
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 5: like their fifth string running back. They did not go
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 5: solidify that position in the portal when a lot of
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 5: BYU people felt they needed to because of LJ's history.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: And the other thing is LJ Martin is a legitimate
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 5: NFL running back. So you got to make sure that
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 5: you're keeping them on ice and for the next phase
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 5: of his life. But I mean, at this point, is
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 5: he even back for the Utah game?
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: Six weeks?
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: If he's out four to, it says four to six weeks,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: the fifth week is Utah. Yeah. So if he's out
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 3: six weeks, he misses Notre Dame, Utah, Baylor, in addition
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: to you, Iowa state and some other stuff going on.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: And Baylor just went down to BDSU by a million.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 3: Right. So Baylor's four one. It looks really good.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 5: Like, defensively, even with some of the injury issues they have,
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 5: it feels like BYU, like you can't run the ball
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: on them, right? So that's what Iowa State wants to do.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not worried about them on Friday. It makes, it
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 5: was going to be a tough task versus Notre Dame anyway.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 5: You know, the ESPN future progression, you know, prediction models
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 5: has Notre Dame as like a 12, 13 point favorite
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 5: in that game and without LJ. And then the Andrew
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 5: Gentry has 43 starts. What's the most on that offensive line?
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 5: The bottom of the tallow kid, the freshman who was
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 5: really highly recruited and is highly thought of stepped in
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: and had two false penalties in the first series against TCU.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 5: Like BYU is in danger of experiencing what we experienced
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 5: here like three years ago.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 5: You know, so you got to imagine they're going to
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: be super cautious and hold everyone out that they can
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: this weekend with an eye on Notre Dame. But I
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 5: heard you earlier talk about the prediction models to win
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: the league now, and most data points right now today,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: most data points do favor Utah to win the Big 12,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 5: and BYU feels like they might be third at this point.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: Ten-and-a-half-point favorite still, BYU against Iowa State.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think Friday night's going to be that
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 5: big of a deal for them.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: I think it's a little scary, but they have the
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: second-best rush defense in the conference, and that's where Iowa
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: State's going to have to make their hay. Unless Aiden
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: Floor is just going to throw two more touchdown passes
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: from the running back. He's good, man.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 5: He's fun.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: He's a good player. Stay tuned for The Drive with
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: Spence Checketts. Thanks for listening to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: We'll do it again tomorrow on ESPN 700 at 92.1 FM.