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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on Skynins Australia. Good Edning remember the
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Speaker 1: show's steep price filling in for Peter tonight. Here's what's
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Speaker 1: coming up on Credlin. You just heard Chris talking about it.
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Speaker 1: One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashbury will be in
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Speaker 1: on his boss, Pauline Hanson's repeat Senate stunt today, entering
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Speaker 1: the Senate wearing a full face burker and causing mayhem
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Speaker 1: in the chamber. We'll find out what that was all
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Speaker 1: about from someone on the inside. Also in Parliament, speculation
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Speaker 1: continues around the future of Liberal leader Susan Lee, with
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Speaker 1: a news follow The Australia Today showing Labor comfortably in
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Speaker 1: front two party preferred. I'll run those numbers by Credlin's
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Speaker 1: regular Chris Yulman, and also i'll get Chris's view on
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Speaker 1: another Chris, as in Chris Bowen, who was now apparently
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Speaker 1: some global cop UN ambassador running around the world, which,
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Speaker 1: given how he's stuffing up the renewables job, he's actually
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Speaker 1: paid for by you and me to do back, it
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Speaker 1: might be a good thing to keep bowing out of
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Speaker 1: the country. Plus, how can a Bureau of Meteorology website
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Speaker 1: update and redesign. It's budgeted to cost four point one
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Speaker 1: million dollars. It ends up being unusable largely and costs
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Speaker 1: not four but ninety six million dollars. The federal Minister
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Speaker 1: Murray what wants answers will see what our panel makes
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Speaker 1: of that absolute debarkle and welcome to country ceremonies Now
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Speaker 1: before major events, they're all widely unpopular. Now they're overdone,
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Speaker 1: even when they are simple and respectful. But you will
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Speaker 1: not believe one such welcome to country the AFL stage
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Speaker 1: during a prelim of their women's competition in Brisbane. I'll
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Speaker 1: get Warren Mundine's view on all of that, but first
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Speaker 1: up this week, through a year out from the twenty
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Speaker 1: six Victorian state election to Cendra Allen the Premier, she
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Speaker 1: decided to stage a series of media interviews across the
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Speaker 1: weekend in her hometown, long way away from Melbourne and
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Speaker 1: the political base of ben while admitting to The Australian's
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Speaker 1: Anthony Galloway, who by the way, will catch up with shortly,
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Speaker 1: that one of her closest advisors is still the largely
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Speaker 1: loathed ex Premier Daniel Andrews. Well, maybe that explains why
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Speaker 1: Victoria has the worst debt of any state in Australia
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Speaker 1: by a million miles, while Melbourne is a crime ridden,
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Speaker 1: graffiti smeared shell of its former self. Why those Victorians
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Speaker 1: who can are getting out? Why it has the worst
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Speaker 1: performing real estate market in the nation, with property owners
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Speaker 1: smashed by land billed fan tax bills. And last week,
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Speaker 1: why a ninety one year old woman with a fractured
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Speaker 1: pelvis and horribly bruised face was told get yourself to
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Speaker 1: hospital now. Maybe Daniel Andrews has an answer to all
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Speaker 1: of that mess. And that's why Jacinta Allen thinks it's
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Speaker 1: a good idea to tell the world. She considers him
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Speaker 1: such a great sounding board, saying in the Galloway Interview
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Speaker 1: this morning, quote, I feel really fortunate to have Steve Brax,
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Speaker 1: John Brumby and Daniel Andrews, three former premiers who I
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Speaker 1: can tap into for support, advice, information, share our laugh
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Speaker 1: and share a joke. Unquote, Well, Premiere, I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: there's a lot to laugh about in Victoria, and not
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Speaker 1: a lot to joke about either, given the binfire you're
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Speaker 1: running in the once great state of Victoria. The state's
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Speaker 1: debt is unbelievable. It's predicted to hit one hundred and
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Speaker 1: ninety four billion dollars by the end of the decade.
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Speaker 1: With one estimate put in the daily interest payment every day,
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Speaker 1: the daily interest payment to serve it. That that at
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Speaker 1: forty million dollars a day, or if you like it,
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Speaker 1: just under two million dollars an hour, every hour of
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Speaker 1: every day. The figures are just so huge, so outrageous,
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Speaker 1: so high that most people can't even get their heads
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Speaker 1: around it. And it seems the voting public of Victoria, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't care because they keep electing labor election after election.
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Speaker 1: Three times Daniel Andrews was voted in, even after imposing
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Speaker 1: the longest COVID lockdowns anywhere in the world. Victorians seem
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Speaker 1: to have Stockholm syndrome. Either that or they are just
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Speaker 1: gluttons for punishment. Or is it that the great immigration
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Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme that has seen Victoria's with that reed, Melbourne's
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Speaker 1: population grow by two million people since two thousand. That's
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Speaker 1: two Adelaides. Now many of that two million have been
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Speaker 1: jammed into the sprawling western suburbs of Melbourne that will
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Speaker 1: before the next election get an over budget and overtime
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Speaker 1: Westgate Tunnel, providing a second crossing of the era just
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Speaker 1: in time for voting day surprise supplies. Plus this year
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Speaker 1: the Metro Tunnel Project, another tunnel bypassing Melbourne's jammed up
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Speaker 1: city Loop that will open shiny, new, expensive infrastructure projects
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Speaker 1: aimed at voters, while at the same time providing jobs
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Speaker 1: for the like of Allen's union supporters from the CFMAU
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Speaker 1: now I wrote at the weekend that despite the crime,
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Speaker 1: the machetes, the carjackings, the debt, the crumbling health system
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Speaker 1: and free ride for renewable companies to ride roughshod over farmers,
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Speaker 1: that are odds are on that Jacinta Allen would win
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Speaker 1: a fourth term for Labour, taking its rule to an
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Speaker 1: uninterrupted Can you believe it sixteen years now? That might
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Speaker 1: sound impossible, but when you consider the Liberals in opposition
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Speaker 1: have had three leaders in less than one year, with
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Speaker 1: Labour just two in sixteen years. If she wins and
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Speaker 1: serves full term, as she said she will at the weekend,
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Speaker 1: she would any fool concede the problem here. It might
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Speaker 1: just come down to the fact Victoria is destined to
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Speaker 1: be forever a labor state. The latest opposition leader Jess
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Speaker 1: Wilson smart. Obviously, she's a woman and young. But how
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Speaker 1: does she convince labor voting, blue collar voters, many who
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Speaker 1: owe their jobs to state labor, to actually change their vote.
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Speaker 1: She can't do it. It's impossible, And as usual, it's
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Speaker 1: smart to follow the money. I looked up sportspit today.
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Speaker 1: They've got labored a dollar fifty five to win next November,
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Speaker 1: the Coalition on two dollars fifty. Bill Hayden, former governor
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Speaker 1: General and federal labor leader, said of the nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: three Bob Hawk versus Malcolm Fraser election, a drover's dog
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Speaker 1: could of one. Well, that should be the case in Victoria,
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Speaker 1: but sadly it is not. Just to show how much
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Speaker 1: the current premier has learned at the foot of her predecessor,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Andrews, she used one of his common traits at
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Speaker 1: a media conference just this morning for context. In a
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Speaker 1: podcast recorded by former Financial Review columnist Joe Aston, the
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Speaker 1: former Crown casino owner James Packer, the billionaire this is
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Speaker 1: his words, not mine, referred to Daniel Andrews this way.
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Speaker 1: I quote couldn't I couldn't think this is not me.
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Speaker 1: This is obviously James Packer. I could not think more
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Speaker 1: lowly of Daniel Andrews. I think he is human filth.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at the quote.
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews is about my least favorite person in the world.
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Speaker 2: I think Daniel Andrews not only ruined Victoria, he almost
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Speaker 2: ruined my life. I couldn't speak more lowly of Daniel Andrews.
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Speaker 2: I think he's human filth.
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Speaker 1: Jesus sounds like a Joe Aston. Colm.
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Speaker 2: There you go. I hope you Susby.
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Speaker 1: Well you said her. Allen was out promoting the soon
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Speaker 1: to open Metro Tunnel today. The Premier responded, but refused
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Speaker 1: to utter the name of James Packer. However, here it
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Speaker 1: is I disagree quite strongly with that individual's comments and
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Speaker 1: his characterization of the former premier, and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: leave my comments at that. Well, that was the tactic
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Speaker 1: used and over and over again when Daniel Anders was
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Speaker 1: criticized by anyone. Obviously, just sin to Allen has learnt
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Speaker 1: from the master. All right, it's going to be busy
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Speaker 1: final sitting week in camera, it seems so. Joining me
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Speaker 1: now for an update Political reporter Cam Red and Cam
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Speaker 1: welcome late today. Obviously we had that vision of Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 1: Senator Hanson, head of One Nation, Her palling figures are
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Speaker 1: going great. She caused a real stir in the Senate.
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Speaker 1: She's repeated her earliest stunt by wearing a full face burker,
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Speaker 1: as One Nation explained. Yet what the point of all
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Speaker 1: this was.
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Speaker 3: It's in protest, Steve good evening over the fact that
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson has tried to move a bill today to
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Speaker 3: ban the wearing of the burker and other similar face
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Speaker 3: coverings in public. So she wanted to put that bill
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Speaker 3: in the Senate, but was denied the ability to do so.
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Speaker 3: I won't go through the whole Senate logistics because I'll
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Speaker 3: put everyone to sleep. But basically, if someone wants to
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Speaker 3: put a bill forward and there are enough objectors, they
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Speaker 3: don't get to even table that bill. So that's what
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Speaker 3: happened to Pauline Hanson. In protest of that this was
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Speaker 3: pre planned, she has put the burker on following that
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Speaker 3: and walked back into the Senate, prompting this mass feurlor
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Speaker 3: I can tell you now the Senate has voted or
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Speaker 3: has agreed to ban Pauline Hanson from going back into
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Speaker 3: the Senate for the rest of today, So there was
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Speaker 3: a bit of confusion about the lenk of that suspension,
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Speaker 3: whether it was just for today or for the rest
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Speaker 3: of this sitting week. It is just for today, So
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Speaker 3: presuming she doesn't go back in there tomorrow wearing the burker,
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Speaker 3: she will be allowed to return to work essentially tomorrow morning.
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Speaker 3: It's worth showing some of the reaction here because, as
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Speaker 3: you can expect, much like it did in twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson walking in wearing that Islamic head dress prompted
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Speaker 3: quite the reaction from her Senate colleagues.
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Speaker 4: Take a look, there.
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Speaker 5: Is the middle finger to people of faith, and.
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Speaker 6: We represent in our states people of every faith, of
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Speaker 6: every faith.
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Speaker 1: But racism should.
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Speaker 6: Not be the choice of the Senate.
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Speaker 1: This is a racist senator.
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Speaker 6: If this is about the dress code, she is disrespecting
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Speaker 6: of faith.
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Speaker 1: Well, Cam, we'll see what will happen tomorrow. Obviously it's
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Speaker 1: going to be pretty lively in the center. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about the news popcam. The drop overnight again, the coalition
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Speaker 1: sits on a record low primary vote. This is not
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Speaker 1: looking good for Susan Lee. There's a whole lot of
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Speaker 1: speculation around her leadership still just on that. Does she
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Speaker 1: survive the week?
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Speaker 3: I think so, Steve. Look, there doesn't seem to be
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Speaker 3: a great deal of momentum. There is no good as
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Speaker 3: those poles are worse than they have been. So if
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Speaker 3: there's any glimmer of light in these numbers for Susan Lee,
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Speaker 3: it's that. And as you can see on your screen there,
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Speaker 3: part of today's news poll was putting the names up
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Speaker 3: there for people to say, who would you like to lead.
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Speaker 1: The Liberal Party?
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Speaker 3: And even though the polling numbers for all of them
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Speaker 3: are pretty low, Susan Lee was still the lead candidate there.
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Speaker 3: Perhaps many of them still getting to know or I guess,
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Speaker 3: getting their public names and faces out there. Steve, does
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Speaker 3: she survive the week? Look, my gut tells me yes.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty, it's been well documented, is recovering from shoulder surgery,
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Speaker 3: so maybe not in the best position to put his
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Speaker 3: name forward. There is a party room meeting tomorrow where
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Speaker 3: anything could happen, as it has in the past. But
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Speaker 3: I think the general feeling around this building is that
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Speaker 3: the momentum is not quite there. As bad as things
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Speaker 3: have been, it's stabilized over a week or two, not
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Speaker 3: getting worse, and there is a desire to give Susan
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Speaker 3: Lee a chance to sell this energy policy now the
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Speaker 3: Coalition has dumped net zero and has something to sell.
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Speaker 1: Cam. I survived shoulder surgery this year. If I can
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Speaker 1: survive it, I'm sure a former SAS commando in that
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Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty won't have too much of a problem getting
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Speaker 1: through it. Mate. We know the Environment Minister Murray what
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Speaker 1: He's desperate to pass that Labour's revamp nature laws before
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Speaker 1: the end of the year. It's reported he's looking at
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Speaker 1: watering down some of the penalties for businesses that breach
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Speaker 1: the new rules in a bid to get the Coalition support.
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Speaker 3: What's the rush, Well, he's adamant that business wants this done,
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Speaker 3: that he wants to give people certainty for making decisions
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Speaker 3: over some aer and that that would allow for projects,
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Speaker 3: some of which have been stalled for many months or
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Speaker 3: even many years, to get going with greater certainty. So
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Speaker 3: that's Murray Watt's argument.
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Speaker 7: For the rush.
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Speaker 3: He also believes that a deal can be done this
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Speaker 3: week with either the Greens or the Coalition, and he's
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Speaker 3: adamant about that. The way that somebody who's familiar with
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Speaker 3: these negotiations. Put it to me today, Steve, is that
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Speaker 3: the difference here between the two offers, or the two
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Speaker 3: potential partners is the Coalition is looking to take things
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Speaker 3: out of the bill. They want to change definition, they
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Speaker 3: want to adjust things around emissions reporting, the powers of
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Speaker 3: this new Environmental Protection Agency, whereas the Greens wanted pass
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Speaker 3: some amendments to give additional protections to logging. Essentially, they
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Speaker 3: want to add to the bill rather than send it
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Speaker 3: off for a rewrite, which may provide an easier pathway
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Speaker 3: of agreement, if you like, with the Greens than the Coalition.
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Speaker 3: It was also put to me today Steve by one
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Speaker 3: individual that perhaps the Coalition could have struck a deal
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Speaker 3: a little earlier, but it had been focused somewhat on
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Speaker 3: internal deliberations rather than getting this across the line. So
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Speaker 3: we'll see what happens over the next three days. Murray
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Speaker 3: Watt is determined to get a deal on this, but
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Speaker 3: it's fair to say there is still no agreement with
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Speaker 3: either side. As much as he wants to get there
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Speaker 3: before Christmas, it's.
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Speaker 1: For you go briefly, Cam. You've been doing some excellent
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Speaker 1: work on Labour's plans to overhaul this Defense on system.
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Speaker 1: It looks like a mess. Are they going to backtrack?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gone Steve so that the government has decided
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Speaker 3: to pull this bill from the SETE today. Essentially that
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Speaker 3: goes back to square one. And just to remind you
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Speaker 3: of what this was, it was about putting a time limit,
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Speaker 3: essentially on the review of retrospective medals for veterans who
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Speaker 3: might have conducted acts of bravery several decades ago. Think
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Speaker 3: World War II, Korea, Vietnam, all the way back to
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Speaker 3: nineteen thirty nine. If a new piece of information comes forward,
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Speaker 3: if bravery is discovered, if friends or family lobby for
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Speaker 3: proper recognition, it could have been considered. The government wanted
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Speaker 3: to restrict that to just twenty years. So they've decided
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Speaker 3: to pull that bill now. It had no friends in
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Speaker 3: the Senate, no friends in the veterans community. I'd be
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Speaker 3: very surprised if they had another look at this at all.
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Speaker 1: Good work on that, cam You've done a great job
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Speaker 1: on it. Thank you very much. Mate. Let's stick with Cambridge.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now Peter's regular Skype political contributor Chris Hulman, Chris, welcome.
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Speaker 1: Just quickly, before we get into those newspoll numbers. Pauline Hanson,
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Speaker 1: You've set through plenty of Senates Senate sittings using that
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Speaker 1: full faced burker to pull a stunt today. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of that?
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Speaker 8: Well, she's a headline hunter and she'll get the headlines
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Speaker 8: that choose after and tomorrow's press and of course on
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Speaker 8: the news tonight, she knew that she was going to
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Speaker 8: do that. It draws a circle around one of her
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Speaker 8: concerns that she was wanting to have a bill that
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Speaker 8: was banning the burker. Look, I would counsel against doing
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Speaker 8: something like this. I think there is an important conversation
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Speaker 8: to be had about social cohesion in Australia. I think
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Speaker 8: that that's been really supercharged in this year. We've seen
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Speaker 8: all those gaza demonstrations and the kind of behavior that
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Speaker 8: we've seen on the streets, and the threats to our
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Speaker 8: Jewish community, so all the other things a very serious conversation.
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Speaker 8: I would hate to think though, that somebody who chooses
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Speaker 8: to wear a burker in Australia might be targeted because
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Speaker 8: of something like this, and I fear that that's the
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Speaker 8: kind of thing that does happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope that's not the result Newspole I was
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Speaker 1: speaking there to cam about it. Andrew Hasty top of
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Speaker 1: the list for preferred coalition leader, only six percent behind
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Speaker 1: Susan Lee. I do note the figure that stood out
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Speaker 1: for me in that part of the news poll was
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Speaker 1: forty six percent of people didn't know who they wanted
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Speaker 1: to lead the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, didn't know and probably didn't care. Steven.
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Speaker 8: Therein lies the problem for the Coalition at the moment,
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Speaker 8: and particularly should I say the Liberal.
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Speaker 9: Party at the moment.
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Speaker 8: Look, you've got to worry when someone who is close
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Speaker 8: to the leader says to you that they think that
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Speaker 8: they'll make it to the end of this week. And
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Speaker 8: remember that that's always the issue with leadership challenges. They're
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Speaker 8: really only in trouble when everyone gathers in camera, because
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Speaker 8: that's when they can have a vote. Now, I do think,
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Speaker 8: given what I'm told, that she will make it to
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Speaker 8: the end of the week. But I've been through many
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Speaker 8: of these things before, so I would never say never.
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Speaker 8: But obviously her leadership is under a cloud and she
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Speaker 8: can thank Fanky. The last two leaders at the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 8: Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton, who lost thirty four seats
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Speaker 8: over the course of two elections for dumping her in
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Speaker 8: the worst possible position.
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Speaker 1: Chris, I couldn't count on two hands a number of
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Speaker 1: times I've been sitting either hosting a program like this
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Speaker 1: or hosting a radio program, whether it was in Melbourne
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Speaker 1: or Sydney, and suddenly some bomb thrower appears out of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: and you've got a leadership spill line, and suddenly the
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Speaker 1: leader's got to declare the vacant position and loses the vote.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you and I, how many of the times
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Speaker 1: have we seen this? You can go through rud Guillard, Rudd,
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Speaker 1: you can go through Turble Abbit. I mean they're everywhere. Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Look, I remember vividly the night of the twenty third
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Speaker 8: of June twenty ten when I was involved with Mark
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Speaker 8: Sinkin and breaking the news that there was a move
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Speaker 8: against Kevin Rudd. Well, it was novel in those days.
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Speaker 8: There was an extraordinary amount of movement and excitement around that.
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Speaker 8: But then it unfortunately became routine, and we've done incredible
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Speaker 8: damage to our democracy because of that. Now opposition leaders
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Speaker 8: losing their jobs now, that used to be more common.
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Speaker 9: All I can say to Susan Lee is that I think.
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Speaker 8: Brendan Nelson was actually in a worse position than she
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Speaker 8: was when he lost his job.
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Speaker 9: But eventually that did happen, and it's clear. It is
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Speaker 9: clear that.
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Speaker 8: There are other people who are trailing their coats now.
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Speaker 8: They might not be ready to go now, but are
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Speaker 8: they're just waiting their opportunity to go later next year?
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Speaker 1: Perhaps? Was that that famous right when you showed me
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Speaker 1: the pictures of Bill Shorten with two phones, one on
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Speaker 1: each year.
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Speaker 8: I had down at that Vietnamese restaurant. I'll never forget
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Speaker 8: dal Melon coming out of partments saying well, I have nonsense.
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Speaker 8: This is the ABC's broadcasting. It's complete rubbish. And within
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Speaker 8: hours he was finding out that it was absolutely true.
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Speaker 9: That was a night that is etched in my memory.
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Speaker 1: I must say, talking about history, I watched back your
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Speaker 1: November eleven excellent documentary on November eleven. How were the
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Speaker 1: current leaders, people like Alban Eazy, Susan Lee, David littel Pratt,
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Speaker 1: how would they have fared back in that political time?
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Speaker 4: Do you reckon?
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Speaker 8: Well, Albanizy would be in a pretty good position because
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Speaker 8: of the numbers that he commands in the House of Representatives.
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Speaker 8: But I can tell you this, Malcolm Fraser would not
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Speaker 8: be sitting on his hands. One of the things that
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Speaker 8: we knew about Malcolm Fraser is that he was a
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Speaker 8: stone cold political killer. As Paul Kelly told us to
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Speaker 8: look at his record. He killed off John Gorton when
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Speaker 8: he was Prime Minister. He then killed off Billy Snedden,
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Speaker 8: and that he killed off Goff Whitlam. So if Malcolm
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Speaker 8: Fraser was sitting behind you, you'd be looking over your
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Speaker 8: shoulder a lot.
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Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on this. This is question
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Speaker 1: time today. A treasure of Charmers was asked a question
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Speaker 1: by the opposition about our high power bills. This is
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Speaker 1: a massive issue as we know. Here was the response
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Speaker 1: of Jim Charmers to the question.
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Speaker 5: When it comes to renewables and when it comes to
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Speaker 5: the orderly transition to netzero. This is what a dozen
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Speaker 5: energy retail CEOs have had to say. Rob Wills from
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Speaker 5: Squadron Energy, we know that Australia's coal fleet is nearing
18:30
Speaker 5: the end of its economic and technological life. Spread with
18:33
Speaker 5: coal plan outages driving higher price period col is killing
18:37
Speaker 5: affordability and reliability.
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Speaker 1: Given all the work you've done on this, is it
18:42
Speaker 1: right to pin all of this on coal, like he
18:44
Speaker 1: seems to want to do.
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Speaker 8: It's the only anchor that we've got in the marketplace now.
18:49
Speaker 8: And what he said just underlined that when coal plants
18:52
Speaker 8: go out, the price of electricity rises.
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Speaker 9: Now, it's a very.
18:56
Speaker 8: Complicated system, but I'll try to do it as easily
18:58
Speaker 8: as I can. Talking about an energy market price and
19:02
Speaker 8: an electricity marketplace where power is bought and sold. You
19:05
Speaker 8: cannot make an energy marketplace with wind and solar because
19:08
Speaker 8: they're off more often than they are on. What you've
19:11
Speaker 8: got to do then is try and buttress them. You
19:13
Speaker 8: spread them out across the entire landscape, try and catch
19:15
Speaker 8: as much wind as you possibly can, as much sun
19:17
Speaker 8: as you possibly can.
19:18
Speaker 9: But every night the sun will go down.
19:19
Speaker 8: Then you need to work out what fills that gap
19:22
Speaker 8: when they disappear from the marketplace, and that is what
19:26
Speaker 8: will set the price of electricity more often than not.
19:29
Speaker 8: At the moment, brown coal and black coal are setting
19:32
Speaker 8: that price at a reasonably low level. After that, gas,
19:38
Speaker 8: hydro and batteries, by the way, set the price ridiculously high.
19:43
Speaker 8: When people say that something that wind and sol are
19:46
Speaker 8: going to be backed up by batteries that's an arbitrage
19:48
Speaker 8: market mate. That means that you will buy low and
19:51
Speaker 8: sell high. And at the moment, the highest cost of
19:54
Speaker 8: electricity in Australia is when batteries set the price of electricity.
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Speaker 1: So why do they keep getting away with saying renewables
20:03
Speaker 1: is the cheapest form of energy over and over and
20:05
Speaker 1: over again, and they slam the opposition when the opposition
20:08
Speaker 1: tries to question them on that.
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Speaker 8: Because it's complex, as Stephen, people don't understand how the
20:14
Speaker 8: electricity system works and what the interface is between something.
20:18
Speaker 8: So when wind and solar generate, they do generate for free.
20:21
Speaker 8: The problem is they don't generate often enough. And the
20:24
Speaker 8: magic of the system that's around us is that for
20:26
Speaker 8: these lights to stay on, supply and demand have to
20:29
Speaker 8: be in balance every second of every day.
20:32
Speaker 9: That's the way that the system works. Now, coal can
20:34
Speaker 9: do that, hydro can do that, gas can do that.
20:38
Speaker 9: Wind and solar don't do that.
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Speaker 8: And so what you do is you build this incredibly
20:41
Speaker 8: complex system which needs to be backed up by something
20:45
Speaker 8: that can function when you need it. Look to me,
20:47
Speaker 8: wind and solar is like the chef that decide what
20:50
Speaker 8: day he wants to turn up, and you never know
20:52
Speaker 8: when that's going to be. The price you will pay
20:54
Speaker 8: for dinner will be the price that the chef who's
20:56
Speaker 8: in the kitchen charges you.
20:58
Speaker 9: That's how it works.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if the UN knows what it's in for
21:03
Speaker 1: recruiting Chris Bowen to be What is the president of
21:06
Speaker 1: COP thirty one roaming around the world in charge of negotiations.
21:11
Speaker 1: What did you think when you heard it got that job?
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Speaker 8: Well, I imagine if he does to these negotiations, what
21:17
Speaker 8: is doing to Australia's energy system, That might be the
21:20
Speaker 8: best possible outcome. At least we didn't get Cop thirty
21:24
Speaker 8: one coming here. I actually wanted it to come. I
21:26
Speaker 8: wanted the Australian people to see the world's biggest pack
21:29
Speaker 8: of grifters arrived in their tens of thousands, with the
21:32
Speaker 8: largest carbon footprint you could possibly imagine, to sell their wares.
21:37
Speaker 8: So now Chris Bowen will have two jobs. You'll have
21:39
Speaker 8: the job in Australia and you'll have the job at
21:42
Speaker 8: the UN. Unfortunately, not everything that Australian needs will be
21:45
Speaker 8: what the world wants. And can I say there's a
21:48
Speaker 8: big target that's been drawn around our coal exports and
21:51
Speaker 8: around our liquefied natural gas exports number two and number three.
21:56
Speaker 8: Experts sports in Australia worth about one hundred and twenty billion.
21:59
Speaker 9: Dollars a year to Australia.
22:01
Speaker 8: That's what builds the National Disability Insurance scheme. That's what
22:04
Speaker 8: pays for Medicare, that's what helps pay for people's schools.
22:08
Speaker 8: We unplug that from Australia's economy and there is nothing
22:12
Speaker 8: to take its place. Everyone's talking about, Oh, we might
22:15
Speaker 8: do green hydrogen, we might do green steel.
22:17
Speaker 9: These are imaginary industries. They don't exist.
22:21
Speaker 8: What we will do is unplug the thing that works
22:24
Speaker 8: and try and find something to take its place, and
22:27
Speaker 8: we will begar the nation in the meantime.
22:29
Speaker 9: So that's the argument that Chris Bowen is making.
22:31
Speaker 8: He is making an argument to impoverish Australia to the world.
22:36
Speaker 8: It'll be interesting to see what he says at home
22:39
Speaker 8: and to look at the distance between him and the
22:41
Speaker 8: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: It was great to catch up with you, Chris. I
22:45
Speaker 1: love that word grifteris. Thank you very much. Now after
22:48
Speaker 1: the break talking of farmers and renewables and back on
22:50
Speaker 1: the renewable roll out. They are threatened now with hepty fins.
22:55
Speaker 1: We'll find out how that's unfolding in regional Victoria plus
22:57
Speaker 1: the politically charged and to visit worldlcome to country at
23:01
Speaker 1: one afl W final over the week and I'll play
23:04
Speaker 1: it for you shortly. You won't believe it. Welcome back
23:11
Speaker 1: to Steve Price and for Peter should be back with
23:13
Speaker 1: you tomorrow night. Now, the Alan government is facing rising
23:15
Speaker 1: community anger over the new laws which allow power companies
23:19
Speaker 1: to basically force access onto properties in preparation for construction
23:24
Speaker 1: of this thing called the V and I West Project.
23:26
Speaker 1: Peter's talked about it a lot. I've talked about it
23:28
Speaker 1: on the Friday Show a lot. That's the major transmission line.
23:31
Speaker 1: It's a massive project which is being built to link
23:35
Speaker 1: up renewables developments in Victoria and New South Wales so
23:39
Speaker 1: to connect the two states, and they need to be
23:41
Speaker 1: brand new lines. Last week Peter was joined by sheep
23:44
Speaker 1: farmer Ben Duckson, who had this to say after farmers
23:49
Speaker 1: went out and blocked vicgrid workers from forcibly entering their properties.
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Speaker 10: We've been in this fight for three years. They're trying
23:57
Speaker 10: to bulldoze their way through our farms out here. The
24:00
Speaker 10: locals are fed up.
24:01
Speaker 1: With it.
24:02
Speaker 10: We've always pushed back on it and we're continually to
24:05
Speaker 10: push back. We'll stand with fellow farmers, with the community,
24:09
Speaker 10: with every energy consumer in Australia, every taxpayer in Australia.
24:14
Speaker 1: I watched that interview. What a ripper bloke. Ben is
24:16
Speaker 1: joining me now, the Member for the Malee Nationals MPN Webster,
24:20
Speaker 1: Nice to see you again. What are you hearing from
24:23
Speaker 1: locals on the ground like Ben? I mean, he made
24:25
Speaker 1: it pretty clear there that they're not going to unlock
24:28
Speaker 1: the gate. They're going to stand in the way. That
24:30
Speaker 1: means they could face massive fines and and even jail
24:34
Speaker 1: time under the Allen government's legislation. Isn't that not right? Oh?
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Speaker 11: Look, it's absolutely outrageous. I spoke with Ben today. I
24:44
Speaker 11: spoke with several other farmers today. They are actually buoyed.
24:49
Speaker 11: I know that might sound strange, but they are buoyed
24:52
Speaker 11: by one another's support. Farmers are standing alongside farmers. They
24:57
Speaker 11: are strengthening. They've got people ringing up from Melbourne saying
25:01
Speaker 11: we want to come and stand with you. And I
25:03
Speaker 11: said to one of them, I said, you know what,
25:05
Speaker 11: it actually makes me proud to be Australian. It makes
25:09
Speaker 11: me proud that you as farm as, food producers and
25:13
Speaker 11: fiber producers are standing together and wanting to protect what
25:19
Speaker 11: is so precious to Australia, our food production into the future.
25:24
Speaker 11: The Victorian Labor government has been atrocious. There is not
25:29
Speaker 11: a word that could describe that government and the way
25:32
Speaker 11: they have bullied and intimidated and harassed these farmers. And
25:37
Speaker 11: today I heard from many of them telling me that
25:41
Speaker 11: when Vicgrid turn up at their gates, they are standing
25:45
Speaker 11: there wanting access. The group say access denied. There is
25:50
Speaker 11: nothing that Vicgrid can do about that until there is
25:53
Speaker 11: a court order that permits them to go on to
25:56
Speaker 11: the land. They don't have that court order, so they
25:58
Speaker 11: have to go away, but stand there with their body
26:01
Speaker 11: cams on and you know, just pressing and intimidating farmers.
26:06
Speaker 11: I find it appalling. This is two weeks out from harvest,
26:10
Speaker 11: two weeks What kind of biosecurity mess are they going
26:13
Speaker 11: to be leaving behind if they go on to these
26:16
Speaker 11: properties at this time.
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Speaker 1: What's your gut feeling about what a court will do
26:20
Speaker 1: when these power companies turn up asking for a court
26:24
Speaker 1: order to give them access to a property that a
26:27
Speaker 1: farmer won't doesn't want them.
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean, ultimately it will. It will end up
26:34
Speaker 11: with inevitably police arrests. At the moment, the police really
26:39
Speaker 11: don't have anything to work with from what I'm being told,
26:43
Speaker 11: and so I just think we are ending We're entering
26:47
Speaker 11: into a very murky place in Australia's history and in
26:52
Speaker 11: Victorian history. You know, you spoke earlier about Dan Andrews,
26:57
Speaker 11: and I just think that this is much the same,
27:02
Speaker 11: this bullying overlord kind of tactic by the Victorian government.
27:07
Speaker 11: They can't get what they want through democratic means, so
27:11
Speaker 11: they really form this bullying overlord behavior. I can't describe
27:17
Speaker 11: it another way. It's really socialist in the way that
27:20
Speaker 11: they are treating producing communities.
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Speaker 1: And you and I both well know that local police
27:28
Speaker 1: in those areas are mates of the farmers. They drink
27:31
Speaker 1: in the same pub, so they play in the same
27:33
Speaker 1: footy teams, Their families live together and make up the community.
27:38
Speaker 1: Do you really think does just Cintra Allen really think
27:41
Speaker 1: that she's going to set the local police officer against
27:45
Speaker 1: the local farmer who he plays on the half back
27:47
Speaker 1: flank four in the local footy team.
27:51
Speaker 11: Oh look, it just goes to prove Steve how out
27:54
Speaker 11: of touch the government is. And you know when you
27:57
Speaker 11: consider that this week we have learned that asbestos is
28:01
Speaker 11: in the brake pads of five percent of the wind
28:04
Speaker 11: turbines that have now been rolled out across Australia. And
28:09
Speaker 11: when we were in government we put a ban on
28:12
Speaker 11: asbestos being brought into the country. Does this mean that
28:16
Speaker 11: Goldwynd who brought those Chinese brake pads into Australia, are
28:21
Speaker 11: they going to be held to account? No, the government
28:24
Speaker 11: is too busy wanting to hold farmers to account. There
28:28
Speaker 11: just needs to be a rethink of what is actually
28:32
Speaker 11: wrong with this whole process and this whole rushed railroading
28:36
Speaker 11: of regional communities across Australia by both the Albanese government
28:42
Speaker 11: and in this instance the Victorian government.
28:46
Speaker 1: And great to catch up on. I know Peter will
28:48
Speaker 1: keep on that issue because it's very close to her
28:50
Speaker 1: heart as well. And we're stilled there Now some spectators,
28:52
Speaker 1: speaking of football, those watching a game on television on
28:55
Speaker 1: the weekend AFLW, which doesn't have huge ratings but some
28:59
Speaker 1: people do watch it, they were shocked to witness this
29:02
Speaker 1: welcome to country. I can't play at all for you
29:04
Speaker 1: because you be throwing things at the television. This happened
29:07
Speaker 1: before an AFLW preliminary final between Brisbane and Carlton on
29:12
Speaker 1: Saturday night. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 6: Before proceeding with today's for maladies, I wish to briefly
29:18
Speaker 6: draw attention to a national crisis affecting average entirescheid to
29:21
Speaker 6: children and young people in US detention. How children remain
29:25
Speaker 6: disproportionately represented in these systems and are often too treated
29:28
Speaker 6: not as children young people deserving care, protection and opportunity,
29:32
Speaker 6: but as a number within the structures that served political
29:35
Speaker 6: and economic interest rather than community well being. If you
29:37
Speaker 6: wish to discuss as catch up with me afterwards.
29:40
Speaker 7: Here's my business card.
29:44
Speaker 1: She actually offered up her business card. I mean, seriously,
29:48
Speaker 1: it's a football game. Joining me now indigenously to Wara
29:51
Speaker 1: Mundane is probably is throwing things at the television. I mean,
29:55
Speaker 1: that's about as bad as we've seen, isn't it. That's
29:57
Speaker 1: a really bad one.
30:00
Speaker 9: Is a shocker. Look, you know, whether you're like welcome
30:05
Speaker 9: the countries or not.
30:07
Speaker 12: You know when you're doing it, it should you know,
30:09
Speaker 12: they should go to the dictionary and learn what welcome
30:12
Speaker 12: welcome is it is about you know, welcoming people, you know,
30:17
Speaker 12: thanking them, saying you know, like when I was a
30:19
Speaker 12: deputy Aera Dubbo and acting man when the when we
30:23
Speaker 12: did a citizen ceremonies, when we finished the official part,
30:26
Speaker 12: I used to say, look, thank you for choosing Australia,
30:30
Speaker 12: thank you for wanting to become citizens and playing a
30:34
Speaker 12: role in making this country a better country. And I say,
30:37
Speaker 12: welcome you to this country. That's what I welcome a
30:40
Speaker 12: country is. It is not about you know, running your
30:43
Speaker 12: own political program and trying to get get out there
30:46
Speaker 12: and promote your business with a business card. You know
30:49
Speaker 12: it was it was pushing your own policy politics.
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Speaker 1: It was a total disgrace.
30:56
Speaker 12: And I think the are saying Football League should you know,
31:02
Speaker 12: really question this.
31:04
Speaker 1: Well, the AFL have a policy of doing these things
31:07
Speaker 1: before just about every game, I mean certainly any finals
31:10
Speaker 1: of either the men or the women. These have trotted
31:13
Speaker 1: out there. There's a guy who does it in Melbourne
31:15
Speaker 1: at the MCG is pretty innocent that it's pretty quick
31:18
Speaker 1: and he doesn't give political speeches. But imagine those young
31:21
Speaker 1: women standing there wanting to play the game of their lives,
31:24
Speaker 1: having a lecture about indigenous incarceration. I mean, they just
31:28
Speaker 1: want to kick the football warrant. The AFL should just say, look,
31:31
Speaker 1: we're going to put a pause on all of these things.
31:33
Speaker 1: We'll have a rethink about it. Because I presume that
31:35
Speaker 1: woman's being paid.
31:37
Speaker 12: Yeah, well look, I wouldn't be surprised that he was
31:40
Speaker 12: being paid.
31:40
Speaker 2: You know.
31:41
Speaker 12: That was a you know, what she did was you know,
31:45
Speaker 12: and I totally disagree with her comments about Indigenous incarceration kids.
31:53
Speaker 9: You know, I just cannot believe.
31:56
Speaker 12: That she had the gall to get up there and
31:57
Speaker 12: push her own political lines, to get up there and actually,
32:02
Speaker 12: you know, push our own business. Here's my business card,
32:05
Speaker 12: and let's start, you know, you know, I want a
32:06
Speaker 12: bit of money for business and all that type of stuff.
32:09
Speaker 12: It was a disgrace. I agree with you in that
32:12
Speaker 12: the AFL should actually look at pausing this until they
32:16
Speaker 12: get it right.
32:17
Speaker 9: If they're going to continue with it.
32:18
Speaker 12: My own preference was they should just forget the whole
32:21
Speaker 12: thing altogether.
32:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, if they're going to keep it up, why
32:25
Speaker 1: don't you get people welcoming people to country by talking
32:28
Speaker 1: about the great the things that indigenous footballers have given
32:32
Speaker 1: to the AFL the wonderful talent that has played the
32:35
Speaker 1: game for years and years and years and celebrate something
32:38
Speaker 1: positive warrant. I mean, seriously, that's right.
32:41
Speaker 4: So negative, it is so negative. It should be a
32:45
Speaker 4: moment of pride. It should be a moment of celebration.
32:49
Speaker 4: It should be a moment of you know, we know,
32:52
Speaker 4: of respect.
32:52
Speaker 1: It should be a.
32:53
Speaker 12: Moment of bringing us together. You know, we've got enough
32:56
Speaker 12: social cohesion problems around the country at the moment of
33:00
Speaker 12: actually bringing this to the football and doing this, doing
33:03
Speaker 12: this ridiculous, you know, welcome the country process that these
33:08
Speaker 12: people are doing, which has been hijacked. You know, it
33:11
Speaker 12: could be a very good idea of actually bringing us together,
33:14
Speaker 12: celebrating indigenous people, in celebrating indigenous culture, and bringing all
33:19
Speaker 12: Australians together so that we're and talking about what a
33:23
Speaker 12: great country we are developing and moving forward on. But
33:26
Speaker 12: instead of pushing all our own little political issues, and
33:30
Speaker 12: that is just just the wrong thing to do.
33:34
Speaker 1: One hundred percent good to see Warren, thank you for that. Now,
33:37
Speaker 1: coming up after the break, I want to go back
33:38
Speaker 1: to center Allen's weekend mediably. It just happened in her
33:41
Speaker 1: hometown of Bendigo and It also revealed Dan Andrews still
33:45
Speaker 1: sadly has his grip over Victoria because he is advising
33:49
Speaker 1: the Premier Aback to sale price in for Peter Kreedlin.
33:57
Speaker 1: Our panel coming up shortly, or go back to that
34:00
Speaker 1: issue of Senator Pauline Hanson turning up in the Senate
34:02
Speaker 1: wearing a full faced burker this afternoon. I mentioned at
34:05
Speaker 1: the top of the program that we're now exactly probably
34:08
Speaker 1: I think next weekend, one year out from a Victorian
34:11
Speaker 1: state election. It's clear that just Cinta Allen is now
34:14
Speaker 1: trying to get on the front foot, particularly over law
34:17
Speaker 1: and order issue. She did a media blitz across the
34:20
Speaker 1: weekend in her hometown of Bendigo. Now part of that
34:24
Speaker 1: she spoke to The Australian's Victorian political let ator Anthony
34:26
Speaker 1: Galloway and revealed that she considers Daniel Andrews one of
34:30
Speaker 1: her closest advisors, going as far to say that her
34:34
Speaker 1: government shares the same values and priorities as her predecessor.
34:38
Speaker 1: Joining me now in the studio is Anthony Galloway from
34:41
Speaker 1: The Australian. How did you find it?
34:45
Speaker 13: She's into Allan's a tough interview. She never strays from
34:48
Speaker 13: the talking point, so if she's saying something, it's fairly deliberate.
34:52
Speaker 13: I find her, outside of the formalities of an on
34:55
Speaker 13: the record interview quite a personable, entertaining person. But the
35:02
Speaker 13: interviews with her can be tough because she doesn't stray
35:05
Speaker 13: from the talking points at all. She's very disciplined. I
35:08
Speaker 13: think that's why she is an effective politician, but she
35:12
Speaker 13: can sometimes from a journalist's point of view, be a
35:14
Speaker 13: very frustrating.
35:15
Speaker 1: Interview for our audience, non Victorian audience. So then you've
35:19
Speaker 1: got to remind ourselves. She's been in that parliament since
35:21
Speaker 1: she was twenty five years old. She currently is the
35:24
Speaker 1: longest serving female minister in the history of Victoria. And
35:28
Speaker 1: she's tough.
35:29
Speaker 13: She's tough, and I wrote this in the Odds today.
35:32
Speaker 13: I think it's important for viewers outside of Victoria to
35:36
Speaker 13: realize this. She's living Bendigo her whole life. She took
35:39
Speaker 13: that seat off the Liberals in the Steve Bracks election
35:43
Speaker 13: in ninety nine and she's held it ever since. I
35:45
Speaker 13: think it's more than anything the things that probably grounds
35:50
Speaker 13: her in terms of our being hyper focused on those
35:53
Speaker 13: bread and butter political issues like infrastructure, service, delivery, education,
35:58
Speaker 13: she's not too She can sometimes surprise people she's not
36:02
Speaker 13: interested in, you know, those kind of really kind of
36:06
Speaker 13: out there progressive issues that a lot of her colleagues
36:09
Speaker 13: in cabinet are interested in, like to the extent that
36:12
Speaker 13: she's interested in Israel, Gaza. It's just like social cohesion
36:17
Speaker 13: in Melbourne that she's probably never thought about the conflict
36:21
Speaker 13: any more than that. And I think that that is
36:23
Speaker 13: her strength from just being a height al thing.
36:26
Speaker 1: Em you went up there on the train to Bendigo.
36:31
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder how much influences the way she
36:33
Speaker 1: runs the state. The fact that she doesn't live in Melbourne.
36:35
Speaker 1: I mean I could be unkind and say, well, one
36:38
Speaker 1: way to escape carjackings, MASHETI attacks home invasions, bad traffic,
36:43
Speaker 1: graffiti everywhere, homeless people sleeping in the streets is to
36:46
Speaker 1: get in your show for driven limousine and go back
36:48
Speaker 1: to Bendigo. Yeah.
36:49
Speaker 13: I think she spends enough time in Melbourne. I think
36:51
Speaker 13: she's got enough internal polling Steve to tell her that
36:57
Speaker 13: the crime wave is real and ED is threatening her leadership.
37:01
Speaker 13: She and her colleagues didn't want to announce the measure.
37:04
Speaker 13: A week or so ago to chuck youth offenders into
37:09
Speaker 13: adult courts and expose them to life sentences.
37:11
Speaker 1: We can have the.
37:11
Speaker 13: Debate about whether a judge happened, probably never going to happen,
37:16
Speaker 13: but this is a government that didn't want to announce
37:18
Speaker 13: such things. I mean, only eighteen months ago they were
37:21
Speaker 13: talking about raising the age of criminal responsibility. Dan Andrews
37:25
Speaker 13: relaxed the bail laws a number of years ago, so
37:29
Speaker 13: she's having to go back.
37:31
Speaker 1: Ironically, those bail laws were softened because an Indigenous woman
37:35
Speaker 1: on a train from Ballarata from Ballarat to Melbourne that
37:38
Speaker 1: was thrown into police salance had tragically died, and so
37:42
Speaker 1: they softened the bail laws, particularly to keep indigenous youngsters
37:47
Speaker 1: out of jail. So that would have been a tough
37:49
Speaker 1: cabinet meeting for her to actually agree to do that backflip.
37:52
Speaker 1: But she's obviously got the support of everybody in her cabinet.
37:55
Speaker 13: Yeah, it probably helps that she's from the left faction
37:59
Speaker 13: and she got those members of cabinet that are from
38:03
Speaker 13: the Socialists left over the line, but they weren't comfortable
38:07
Speaker 13: about doing it. And just on that, I mean, she
38:10
Speaker 13: is having to deal with a lot of things that
38:14
Speaker 13: Dan messed up, whether it's levels of state dead, whether
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Speaker 13: it's overly friendly suburban rail loup, overly friendly deals with
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Speaker 13: public sector unions, a bloating of the public service, the
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Speaker 13: relaxing of bail laws. She's now having to address a
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Speaker 13: lot of the things that Andrews didst of all the.
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Speaker 1: Chickens, she still says to you he's one of her
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Speaker 1: best advisers.
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Speaker 13: That's interesting that she leans into that so much, because,
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Speaker 13: I mean some of her colleagues, some within labor, tell
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Speaker 13: me she should have done just one thing to differentiate
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Speaker 13: herself from Andrews a bit. The key one was suburban
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Speaker 13: rail Loop, not a particularly popular project, not backed by
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Speaker 13: a lot of public infrastructure experts. Infrastructure Australia has expressed
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Speaker 13: serious doubts about Bank for bark on that project, unlike
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Speaker 13: the Melbourne Metro project which is going to open next week.
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Speaker 13: So that could have been the one thing where she
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Speaker 13: could have differentiated herself. The other one was when Andrews
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Speaker 13: appeared at that infamous military tarade in Beijing alongside the
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Speaker 13: world's dictators. You know, Deputy Premier Ben Carroll was quite
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Speaker 13: critical with Andrews, and Allen would just refuse to criticize him.
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Speaker 13: So there's some smaller stuff there where she just had
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Speaker 13: every opportunity has lent in to her ongoing friendship with
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Speaker 13: Andrews and hasn't chosen that moment. She was also at
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Speaker 13: pains to point out she also regularly speaks with Steve
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Speaker 13: Brax and Sobbies but their friends, their friends and allies
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Speaker 13: and have been for a long time.
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Speaker 1: It was a great, great interview. Good on, Thank you,
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Speaker 1: thanks for coming in. Anthony Galloway there, thanks your time.
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Speaker 1: Now coming up after the break, it's on again the
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Speaker 1: astounding cost of the Puerau of Meteorology's website revamp, which
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Speaker 1: has regional Australians in absolute uproar. That's Pauline Hanson, her
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Speaker 1: chiefest James Ashbury will join me. What was behind the
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Speaker 1: burker stunt in the Senate today? Actually price with you.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Bock coming up at the top of the hour.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in our Panel One Nation chief of Staff
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Speaker 1: James Ashbury. Good timing for US and Page Research Center
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Speaker 1: CEO Jared Holland. James, we've seen your boss entering the
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Speaker 1: Senate today wearing a full faced burker. Presumably she kept
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Speaker 1: it in the cupboard in Canberra because she did the
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Speaker 1: same thing in twenty seventeen. What is the purpose of
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Speaker 1: doing that?
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Speaker 7: Well today, Steve, there was an opportunity. Senator Hanson was
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Speaker 7: trying to put up a new bill which would have
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Speaker 7: banned the burker and other face coverings, and the Senate
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Speaker 7: denied the opportunity for that bill to even be entered
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Speaker 7: into debate. This never happens typically, It's only ever happened
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Speaker 7: to us once before and again. This Parliament loves to
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Speaker 7: punch down on Pauline Hanson in One Nation, so I
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Speaker 7: was surprised that they denied that formality of at least
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Speaker 7: introducing that bill. Paulin walked straight upstairs, went straight to
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Speaker 7: a cupboard and that burka has remained in there since
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Speaker 7: it was last yearsed in twenty seventeen, and she pulled
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Speaker 7: it straight out. It was not planned. I think the
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Speaker 7: fury just got the better of us. We do not
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Speaker 7: like the oppression of women. One Nation have stood firm
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Speaker 7: on the fact that this is an oppressive piece of garb.
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Speaker 7: Has nothing to do with religion. There is nothing in
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Speaker 7: the Koran that says that is a woman of Islamic.
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Speaker 9: Faith must wear a burka.
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Speaker 7: This is something that oppressive men make women wear in
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Speaker 7: this country and it shouldn't exist. And the fact that
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Speaker 7: twenty four other countries across the globe, majority of them,
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Speaker 7: I might just add that a Muslim have banned this
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Speaker 7: because it helps assimilation in the countries and it helps
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Speaker 7: with women's rights. Why wouldn't Australia support the banning of
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Speaker 7: a burka?
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Speaker 1: It just baffles me.
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Speaker 7: And if this point had to be made on the
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Speaker 7: floor of Parliament today, because the Australian public will not
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Speaker 7: only talk about this tonight, but it will be a
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Speaker 7: debate that rages across lounge rooms and water coolers at
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Speaker 7: the workplace tomorrow because Australia has had a gutfull of
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Speaker 7: radical Islam inserting itself into Australia.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's be clear. So the kneecabs fine, where the
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Speaker 1: face is not covered, you're sure you don't have an
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Speaker 1: issue with that. And the bill, the bill that you
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Speaker 1: tried to introduce, or Senator hands to try to introduce
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Speaker 1: that refers solely to all face covering face berker, is
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Speaker 1: that right? Okay? And so no problem with the cab
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Speaker 1: at all and the beauty about that?
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Speaker 7: No, And that's why there's never been any anything raised
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Speaker 7: on the floor of Parliament about Senator Fadam of payment.
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Speaker 7: She wears exactly that, and there's never been an issue.
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Speaker 7: We want women's rights protected and we do not want
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Speaker 7: to see radical Islam injected into this country any more
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Speaker 7: than it has. We want assimilation and we want people
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Speaker 7: who do come from those backgrounds to meld into the
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Speaker 7: Australian society and give themselves an opportunity not just to
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Speaker 7: assimilate within their community, but give themselves opportunity for work
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Speaker 7: and other things as well.
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Speaker 1: Jared Holland, thanks for sitting there. I just needed to
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Speaker 1: get that out from James obviously given his role in
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Speaker 1: that office. So someday the nine papers now, I can't
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Speaker 1: believe this, Jared, you have to set me right here.
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Speaker 1: They revealed that the Bureau of Meteorologies website redesign ended
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Speaker 1: up costing ninety six million dollars when it was supposed
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Speaker 1: to cost The initial quote apparently was four point one million.
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Speaker 1: That was what it was. It's got to ninety six million.
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Speaker 1: How can that possibly he be? I shouldn't laugh because
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Speaker 1: it is outrageous.
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Speaker 14: Steve, I wish I had a clear answer for you.
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Speaker 14: It sort of defies belief that costs could blow out
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Speaker 14: this much. But I suppose it just goes to how
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Speaker 14: competent this government is in the delivery of services. It's
43:55
Speaker 14: if you look at every single sector at the moment,
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Speaker 14: whether it's snowy hydro on energy, whether it's the bomb website,
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Speaker 14: whether it's the delivery of services and health, costs continue
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Speaker 14: to ratchet up and rise. And maybe it's because they're
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Speaker 14: bringing in more consultants, maybe it's because these teams are growing,
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Speaker 14: Maybe it's because they're unable to move civil servants on
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Speaker 14: when maybe they're not providing too much value. But for
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Speaker 14: the product that they produced at the back end, how
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Speaker 14: broken and infery that website was to what we had before,
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Speaker 14: it's completely shocking. I'd be very keen to sending them
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Speaker 14: through to my website designer who could do it much cheaper,
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Speaker 14: produce a much better product, and be something that farmers
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Speaker 14: and regional people can actually use when they're trying to
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Speaker 14: work out how to manage their workflows based on what
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Speaker 14: the kind of weather's going to be like.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ray's a really interesting point in Murray what needs
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Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of this, But I'd like
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Speaker 1: to know who the outfit was that did the design work,
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Speaker 1: and how the hell could you convince a public servant
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Speaker 1: that no, it's not for like I told you, it's
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Speaker 1: ninety six. I mean, James, how does the bureaucracy work
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Speaker 1: when something like that happens. It's crazy.
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Speaker 7: Oh you'll pick the company, Stave. They're the ones with
44:58
Speaker 7: the brand new Bentleys and Royce out the front. It's
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Speaker 7: a outrageous amount of money that anyone has thought to
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Speaker 7: spend on a rebrand. I think you hit the nail
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Speaker 7: on the head when you said it's a rebrand, nothing more.
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Speaker 7: And it's particularly disgraceful when the Australian public learn about
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Speaker 7: this down the track. Initially it was said that it
45:17
Speaker 7: was only just less than five million dollars, which we
45:20
Speaker 7: all thought was ridiculous. Here we are, most businesses spend
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Speaker 7: around six thousand to twenty five thousand dollars on a
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Speaker 7: business on a business website.
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Speaker 9: There was not much more to do to this.
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Speaker 7: It was already operational and the reality is a lot
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Speaker 7: of this I think you'll find was probably performed by
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Speaker 7: AI behind the scenes. They're saying an AI website could
45:41
Speaker 7: be built within seconds nowadays, Why you would spend over
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Speaker 7: ninety million dollars is an outrageous spend. But it's not
45:48
Speaker 7: just the Weather Bureau doing this. You'll find most departments
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Speaker 7: across our federal, state and local governments are all doing
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Speaker 7: the same things.
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Speaker 9: This is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 1: As an avid golfer, I can't even get the weather right.
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Speaker 1: When I want to go and play golf, they tell
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Speaker 1: me it's going to rain. I canceled them at sunny
46:04
Speaker 1: all day just for you go. Jared. Kelly Sloan's been
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Speaker 1: on with Chris Kenny today and she was on with
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Speaker 1: Andrew Cannell yesterday. Should the New South Wales Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: ditch net zero? Look?
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Speaker 14: I was really disappointed about Kelly's comments to the federal
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Speaker 14: Party has made a courageous and thoughtful and well evidenced
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Speaker 14: decision to completely scrap these targets. Now, there's a lot
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Speaker 14: of work to be done yet to explain to the taxpayer,
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Speaker 14: to explain the voters why they did that and how
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Speaker 14: netzero is impacting their living standards. But if Kelly wants
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Speaker 14: to go against that, she needs to explain her plan
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Speaker 14: for the one hundred and fifty million tons of coal
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Speaker 14: that comes out of the Hunter every year.
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Speaker 2: She needs to explained.
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Speaker 14: I can't plan for the fifty thousand jobs at risk,
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Speaker 14: how she's going to decarbonize agriculture decarbon.
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Speaker 1: I can't see how to decarbonize. I can't see how
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Speaker 1: it's a vote winner in any way in any of
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Speaker 1: those states. Jared James, thank you very much. Andrew Bolts
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Speaker 1: up next