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Jailhouse Lovers Hole up in Hotel With Take Out, Sex Toys · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The search for a female
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Speaker 1: jailer and her jailhouse lover has come to a crazy, careening,
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Speaker 1: screeching halt. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and
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Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. First of all, listen to what
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Speaker 1: we have on record as the last transmissions of hearing
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Speaker 1: Vicky White on radio on Hello Air backs to get out. Well,
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Speaker 1: you are hearing the last utterances of Vicky White on
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Speaker 1: the run with our jailhouse lover six foot nine. At
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Speaker 1: the least. What happened after that is very well documented.
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Speaker 1: Take a list an hour, cut thirty six, our friends
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Speaker 1: of wvv Fox forty four. We are right over here,
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Speaker 1: just off of Highway forty one and Burton. You can
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Speaker 1: kind of see the scene as very chaotic right now.
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Speaker 1: We are still learning details, but we can confirm that
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Speaker 1: both Casey and Vicky. One is in custody and one
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Speaker 1: is in the hospital. The female is actually in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: We know that they are driving down here. Police pursue
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Speaker 1: about seventy miles per hour. You can see that car
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Speaker 1: flipped over in the ditch right now. We have multiple
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Speaker 1: agencies on scene, but apparently this was going for a while. Now.
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Speaker 1: We do not know the condition of her, but we
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Speaker 1: do know that he is in custody. Let's get out
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Speaker 1: and run. The chilling nine one one audio reveals on
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Speaker 1: the run prison guard Vicky White's last words to her
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Speaker 1: escape e lover Casey White joining me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: James Shelda, twenty seven years metro major case at Sheldona
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Speaker 1: Law Firm. Karen Start, New York psychologist, joining us Karen
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Speaker 1: Start dot Com. Lenny de Paul, former Chief Inspector Commander
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Speaker 1: US Marshall Fugitive Task Force. Doctor Tim Gallagher, medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: State of Florida and host of the International Forensic Medicine
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Speaker 1: Death Investigation Conference. Brittany Harry joining us. The reporter anchor
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Speaker 1: Way thirty one, That's Hunstville and special guest joining us.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Rick Singleton, the Lauderdale County elected sheriff. Sheriff, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I know that you're going
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Speaker 1: through a lot right now, from losing a trusted jailhouse
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Speaker 1: employee for many, many years, somebody that you respected, a
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Speaker 1: co worker, a friend, the betrayal of that and now
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Speaker 1: her death. It's been an emoptional roller coach the last
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. You know, I just don't really know
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Speaker 1: how to explain it. I mean know, when we first
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Speaker 1: got word that that they had left, our initial feeling
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Speaker 1: was that he had somehow, you know, overpowered her and
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Speaker 1: taken her against her will. And it wasn't too many
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Speaker 1: hours into the investigation when we realized that she had
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Speaker 1: played a part in it. We were still grasping at straungs,
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Speaker 1: hoping that maybe someone from outside on his behalf, had
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Speaker 1: threatened her, threatened her family coerced her into helping him escape.
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Speaker 1: But within a matter of a few days, it became
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Speaker 1: obvious that she was very much involved in this plan,
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Speaker 1: very much involved in the plan, if not even the
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Speaker 1: mastermind of the plan. Guys, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut forty our friends at w vt M thirteen. Vicky
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Speaker 1: White has died tonight. Investigators say she shot herself following
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Speaker 1: a core chase with law enforcement. It all came to
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Speaker 1: an end today in Evansville, Indiana. That's about a two
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty mile journey from Lauderdale County. This is
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Speaker 1: the press conference we've been talking about all week that
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Speaker 1: we wanted to call. After days of searching across the country,
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Speaker 1: Ky Why and Vicky Why are in custody. The duo
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Speaker 1: was hunted down in Indiana. US Marshals received a tip
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Speaker 1: about a car this catalanc believed to be driven by
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Speaker 1: Casey and Vicky and Evansville. That led to a chase.
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Speaker 1: The Marshall Task Force officers intercepted them, actually collided with
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Speaker 1: them to try in the pursuit. After the crash, According
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Speaker 1: to law enforcements, Vicky shot herself and later died in
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Speaker 1: the hospital. Casey peacefully surrendered. We got a dangerous man
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Speaker 1: off the street today. He is never going to see
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Speaker 1: the light of day again. Did she shoot herself? That
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Speaker 1: remains to be seen. And also take a listen now
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Speaker 1: to our cut thirty eight w e VV Fox. We're
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Speaker 1: standing right next to the ditch where this all went down,
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Speaker 1: and you can actually still see a part of that
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Speaker 1: car left behind, perhaps a headlight or maybe a tail
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Speaker 1: light still left right there. And we're learning it really
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Speaker 1: didn't take long for the car to end up flipped
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Speaker 1: on its side in the ditch. The pursuit really only
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Speaker 1: lasting about two blocks from Saint George Road to Birch
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Speaker 1: Drive here. But what's most surprising to law enforcement is
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Speaker 1: the fact the fugitives we're still in the Evansville area
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Speaker 1: nearly a week after they were caught on camera at
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Speaker 1: a local car wash. Took a porch. He took a
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Speaker 1: porch to do this, and I knew it would be
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Speaker 1: an end in a shootout. I knew it would the
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Speaker 1: community in shock and disbelief, standing mere feet away from
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Speaker 1: where an eleven day nationwide manhunt came to an end
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Speaker 1: following a brief police pursuit around four thirty Monday, I
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Speaker 1: live be am a convict Casey White and corrections officer
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Speaker 1: Vicky White crashing in a ditch off US forty one
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Speaker 1: in Evansville straight out to Brittany Harry joining us from
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Speaker 1: WAA y thirty one. You can find her on Facebook.
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Speaker 1: Brittany Harry needs Brittany, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Explain how the whole thing unfolded. And you know, everybody
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Speaker 1: keeps saying we knew how it was gonna end, we
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Speaker 1: knew how it was gonna end. I felt all along
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Speaker 1: that there was a very high percentage if I was
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Speaker 1: a betting person that somehow Vicky White would end up dead.
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Speaker 1: And you hear her last words, let's get out run,
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Speaker 1: and you hear her also saying, I knew we shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have left the hotel. We should now have left the hotel.
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Speaker 1: Tell me how the whole capture played out. Well, I'm
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Speaker 1: so actually in Evansville, Indiana right now doing day two
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Speaker 1: coverage here, and I just do want to mention that
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Speaker 1: I am just one person at my station that has
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Speaker 1: been covering the story. Has definitely been a team effort,
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Speaker 1: but here in Evansville. I have been in contact with
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Speaker 1: the sheriff here and police and local authorities, and what
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Speaker 1: we know according to the sheriff, as he mentioned in
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Speaker 1: a press conference yesterday, was Vicky and Casey were seen
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Speaker 1: leaving that Motel forty one along Highway forty one here
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Speaker 1: in Evansville, Indiana, and not long after they left the
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Speaker 1: parking lot, we know that a pursuit ensued and not
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Speaker 1: long after that ended with a crash. But Sheriff day
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Speaker 1: Wedding here in Vanderberg County, Indiana said yesterday that the
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Speaker 1: US Marshalls actually rammed the vehicle that Cadillacs that they
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Speaker 1: were into a ditch and that's really how that crash happened,
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Speaker 1: in how all of this ended. And Sheriff Wedding said
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Speaker 1: yesterday that had that not happened, this might have had
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Speaker 1: a different ending because he says that Casey told authorities
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Speaker 1: that he planned to have a shootout with law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: So Sheriff Wedding obviously said that he's very, very grateful
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Speaker 1: that that is not what happened here. But I know
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Singleton is on the line, and I do want to,
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Speaker 1: you know, pass my condolences onto him. I know this
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Speaker 1: is a tough time for him. We heard him say
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Speaker 1: that at the beginning of the call, and or really,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy, I know that you were saying that
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Speaker 1: some people were suspecting that it might end this way,
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Speaker 1: but definitely still a sad situation. I think people may
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Speaker 1: have expected it, but they were hoping for a different outcome.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Rick Singleton joining us, the elected Laurdale County sheriff sheriff.
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Speaker 1: How did they get the caddy? My understanding, as they
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Speaker 1: purchased it up, we found the first vehicle that we
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Speaker 1: were able to identify, the ford Edge abandoned in Tennessee.
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Speaker 1: Actually a week after they left and it was actually
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Speaker 1: abandoned the day they left. We know that they purchased
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Speaker 1: a black pickup truck in that area. That's the pickup
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Speaker 1: that was found at the car wash up in Indiana.
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Speaker 1: The local police ran that vehicle. It didn't come back
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Speaker 1: to Doolem because it wasn't total they purchased him. They
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Speaker 1: abandoned it and apparently got the Cadillac. I'm assuming they
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Speaker 1: probably purchased it too. They had the cash with them.
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Speaker 1: Were they down to about twenty nine grand? That's my understanding.
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Speaker 1: That was the proferma amount that was recovered. So they
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Speaker 1: ran through seventy thousand dollars? Is that right, sheriff? You know,
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Speaker 1: she had already purchased one vehicle here. She had made
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Speaker 1: several other purchases, clothes for him, you know, best sort
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Speaker 1: of thing, So they had a considerable funnel money. It's
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Speaker 1: amazing to me that they managed to pull off so
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Speaker 1: many car purchases. Staying in a hotel, they had to eat.
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Speaker 1: How were they getting that? Were they going out? Were
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Speaker 1: they ordering in? How did they register into the hotel
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Speaker 1: without driver's licenses or without anyone identifying them. We understand
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Speaker 1: they may have paid a guy to register at the hotel.
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Speaker 1: But the buying of the multiple cars, the vehicle to
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Speaker 1: the hotel, the food, the car wash take us an
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Speaker 1: hour cut thirty seven our friends at way. Just today,
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Speaker 1: investigators released this photo of a two thousand and six
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Speaker 1: ft F one fifty pickup truck in Evansville that authorities
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Speaker 1: say the couple abandoned at a car wash around May third.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't until Sunday that authority's got that tip. Turns
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Speaker 1: out the two were still in the area. We got
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Speaker 1: a dangerous man off the street today. He is never
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Speaker 1: going to see the light of day again. For days,
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Speaker 1: law enforcement had urged the public to be on the lookout,
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Speaker 1: hoping Casey White's six foot nine, three hundred forty pounds
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Speaker 1: size would make him easy to spot. Sheriff Singleton is
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Speaker 1: anxious to have him back in custody in North Alabama
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Speaker 1: to face charges of capital murder from the twenty fifteen
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Speaker 1: stabbing of Connie Ridgeway. We've already made a rangelman for
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Speaker 1: the Department of Correct Ruit. He would be brought here
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Speaker 1: for a arrangment. If it's two o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The judge was agreed to come out
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace Lenny DePaul joining US former
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Speaker 1: US Marshall Service Fugitive Task Force. Lenny, I'm very surprised
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Speaker 1: they're still in the same area. And how did they
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Speaker 1: pull off buying so many vehicles, staying in hotels, getting food?
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Speaker 1: How they do it well? Nancy is a crazy and
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Speaker 1: intense manhunt, obviously, and first of all, my condolences as
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Speaker 1: well the Sheriff Singleton in his department. I can only
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Speaker 1: imagine what they're going through. But yeah, I mean standing
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Speaker 1: on the run. This guy certainly wasn't gonna hide in
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Speaker 1: plain sight at seven foot, three hundred pounds. But the
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Speaker 1: US Marshall Service, the Great Lakes and also the Gulf
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Speaker 1: Coast Regional Fugitive task Forces, and of course the Sheriff's department,
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Speaker 1: they did an outstanding job, Nancy. And here's what they did.
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Speaker 1: They put you know, they utilized the intel that they
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Speaker 1: were gathering. They put everything out. Social media was fired up.
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Speaker 1: You guys did a great job plastering their photos. The
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Speaker 1: public remained vigilant, and sure enough, the fellow working in
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Speaker 1: the car wash did his homework ransom video and identified
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Speaker 1: this guy. So they were out there. They had a plan.
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Speaker 1: Apparently there was a flying a ointment with vehicles possibly
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Speaker 1: breaking down and whatnot, but it was only a matter
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Speaker 1: of time. And thankfully, as the sheriff said, I mean,
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Speaker 1: when they pitted that car and the weapons that were
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Speaker 1: found in that vehicle and the ammunition, it could have
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Speaker 1: been a lot helld a lot worse than what it was.
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Speaker 1: How did they pull it off for this long even
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Speaker 1: stay fairly close to home. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut forty nine from the VanderBurg County Sheriff's office. We
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Speaker 1: got a photo they had about twenty nine thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: left over. Here's a picture of the money that was
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Speaker 1: left in the vehicle that we counted last night after
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Speaker 1: we inventory the vehicles. Why did they get fet they
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Speaker 1: purchased the fun and drove it here? And where they
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Speaker 1: got the Cadillac? I'm not sure idea what they were
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Speaker 1: doing here for? Well, I think he said that he
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Speaker 1: was just trying to find a place to hide out
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Speaker 1: lay low and they thought, you know, they'd driven long
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Speaker 1: enough that they wanted to stop for a while, get
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Speaker 1: the berry straight, and then figure out their next place
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Speaker 1: to travel. We don't believe they have any relatives, friends
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Speaker 1: or acquaintances in Evazel, Vanver County. Well, I can tell
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Speaker 1: you what they wanted to do, Brittany Harry. They wanted
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Speaker 1: to hold up in that hotel and use all those
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Speaker 1: sex toys that she bought before they took off and
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Speaker 1: went on the run. Now, how did they manage to
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Speaker 1: get into the hotel? I mean, when I write a
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Speaker 1: check at the grocery store, I have to show a
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Speaker 1: driver's license, credit cards, you name it. Okay, So how
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Speaker 1: did these two on the run, their faces plastered on
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Speaker 1: every TV screen and the country, How in the world
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Speaker 1: did they manage to hold up in that hotel and
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Speaker 1: nobody noticed? How did they sign in? Yeah, the short
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Speaker 1: answer is with a homeless man. Sheriff Dave Wedding said
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Speaker 1: yesterday he told me that they had an alias and
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Speaker 1: that I guess that they paid a homeless man to
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Speaker 1: essentially help them get this fourteen days stay at this hotel.
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Speaker 1: And we've done and we've seen interviews that have been
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Speaker 1: all over with the owner of the hotel, and he
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Speaker 1: apparently had no idea that the two were wanted, and
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Speaker 1: neither did the homeless guy. So I also know that
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Speaker 1: that homeless man, he won't be facing any chargers here
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Speaker 1: in Indiana or anything like that, you know, Sheriff, they
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Speaker 1: had about thirty thousand dollars left, and I'm guessing the
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Speaker 1: way they bought the cars. First they bought the getaway car,
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Speaker 1: the orange car. Then they got an F one fifty
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Speaker 1: black truck, and then they ended up in a Catillac
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Speaker 1: again when you had done on the horse. Look at
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Speaker 1: the track record. She got the first car in cash
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Speaker 1: with a fake ID, using an alias. I bet that's
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Speaker 1: what she did the other times. What do you know, sheriff, Well,
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Speaker 1: you remember the car she bought first, the Ford Edge
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Speaker 1: was abandoned that day they escaped. Uh, they also bought
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Speaker 1: the truck, you know, that same day. So no information
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Speaker 1: they had been put out at that time about their descriptions. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, at least they hadn't gotten the kind of
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Speaker 1: attention that that you know, they got in the day's following. Uh.
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Speaker 1: There was an app put out to the National Crime
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Speaker 1: Information systems, but to law enforcement, but as far as
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Speaker 1: the general public, if most of that information were just
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Speaker 1: localized at that time, so you know, everything they bought
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Speaker 1: the truck from, probably would have had no idea they
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Speaker 1: were wanted. So are you saying they bought the escape car,
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Speaker 1: the orange escape car and the truck on the same day. No,
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Speaker 1: they left here in the orange car. It broke down
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Speaker 1: or whatever happened to it. It was abandoned in Betheza.
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Speaker 1: That's where they bought the truck same day, gotcha, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the same day that they live right and again, even
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Speaker 1: though their faces weren't out there yet, she probably used
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Speaker 1: a fake name. And Ellis, do you know what name
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Speaker 1: she bought the orange getaway car under? It was a
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Speaker 1: Maxwell name, Marie Maxwell Maxwell Betchy's. She did the same
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Speaker 1: thing because you know, James shell Nutt twenty seven years
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Speaker 1: Matro major case and now lawyer at shell Nutt Law Firm.
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Speaker 1: She's smart. She's really smart. I don't know how how.
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Speaker 1: I think he's got a low wattage. But even though
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Speaker 1: she may be smart and had planned this whole thing out,
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Speaker 1: I guarantee it, she did the same thing over and over.
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Speaker 1: You know, she devised the very best plan and did
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Speaker 1: it over and over. Were you surprise that she was
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Speaker 1: able to get her mits on three separate cars while
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Speaker 1: on the run. What you know, I thought about that,
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Speaker 1: and that's something that caught my tissue as it did yours.
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Speaker 1: But she knows when you think about you by a
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Speaker 1: used car, you know it's pretty straightforward. You know what
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Speaker 1: you're doing is you're going up and looking at these cars.
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Speaker 1: It could be off Craixlist, it could be off market place.
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Speaker 1: You go up and tell people your name, they write
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Speaker 1: you a they will sell, and you had them cash
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Speaker 1: and very few questions are asked. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you bought this from a dealership or not, but
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Speaker 1: if she had a fake ID, they're likely would not
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Speaker 1: have run that ID, and once cash at the table,
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Speaker 1: they could have easily goat it. Here's the other thing
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Speaker 1: is that when they buy those used cars, those tags
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Speaker 1: are not immediately transferred, So for days, if not a
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Speaker 1: week or two, they could have ridden around in that
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Speaker 1: vehicle and it showed the previous owner's name, not stolen,
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Speaker 1: and looked like a clean vehicle. If law enforcement round
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Speaker 1: that tag. She was smart. She didn't use the stolen vehicle,
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Speaker 1: and she had the money to do that, because the
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Speaker 1: stolen vehicle would immediately go up all points of bullets
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Speaker 1: and an APB on that thinking. These two had done it,
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Speaker 1: but not only did they get the three separate getaway cars.
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Speaker 1: They blew it when they went to a car wash.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen our cut forty one to w VTM
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Speaker 1: thirteen on May third, a stolen Ford f when fifty
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Speaker 1: was discovered at a car wash in Evansville. Surveillance footage
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Speaker 1: from the car wash appears to show Casey White the
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Speaker 1: first sighting of him in the city, meaning they were
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Speaker 1: there for possibly a week. Well, they're criminals. Sometimes they
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Speaker 1: do things that are unexplainable. But in this case, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad they did case. He will be extradited back to
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Speaker 1: Alabama to face arrayment. Sheriff Singleton says he will do
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Speaker 1: everything in his power to make sure he can never
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Speaker 1: escape again. To you, Sheriff Rick Singleton, the Lauderdale County
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Speaker 1: elected sheriff Sheriff. Let me understand this. So they get
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Speaker 1: three getaway cars and then while they're on the run
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Speaker 1: they haven't been caught, they take one to a car wash. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, to back up just a little bit. To truck.
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Speaker 1: I understand was in an individual yard that was for sale,
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Speaker 1: and so they bought it off off of an individual. Also,
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Speaker 1: the first major break we got in the case really
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Speaker 1: related to that truck. Because when we got the information
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Speaker 1: on the truck and the marshals ran it on NCISE
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Speaker 1: to see if there have been in the activity, that's
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Speaker 1: when they found out that an officer there in Evansville
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Speaker 1: had checked that truck out a few days before. So
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Speaker 1: that's that's what led us to Evansville to start with.
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Speaker 1: So the truck was a key part of being able
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Speaker 1: to find me and locate them where they were at
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Speaker 1: As far as I'm staying in a motel, you know,
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Speaker 1: they had paid the bill ahead of time for two weeks,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to be my personal opinion is that
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Speaker 1: the national media attention that this guy, I think drove
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Speaker 1: them underground. I think that's why they wanted to stay
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Speaker 1: there for a couple of weeks and lay low, because
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Speaker 1: they knew if they poked their head out. Just you
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Speaker 1: mentioned she said in that audio that, you know, we
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Speaker 1: should have never left the motel. You know, I think
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Speaker 1: they knew if they got out and about that they'd
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Speaker 1: be spotted. Yeah, you know, Karen start joining me New
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Speaker 1: York psychologists joining us from Manhattan. It's Karen Stark with
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Speaker 1: a C. Karen, I don't get it. You stay under
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Speaker 1: You're getting away with it. You're paid up for two weeks.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to see anybody. You can stay in
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Speaker 1: your motel room, order in and play with your sex toys.
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Speaker 1: Nobody knows you're in there. You can put the do
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Speaker 1: not disturbed sign on the door. The maid won't come
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Speaker 1: in there. You're golden, right. What in the world were
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Speaker 1: they thinking going? I mean, it's not like he doesn't
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Speaker 1: stick out like a sword thumb he six nine. Well,
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Speaker 1: when you think about it, Nancy, I mean they may have.
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Speaker 1: They might have had the best plan in the world,
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Speaker 1: but now they are out there and actually trying to escape,
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Speaker 1: and in a situation like that, you don't think all
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Speaker 1: that clearly. I don't care how smart he is. Sooner
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Speaker 1: or later you're going to do something really ridiculous and
21:08
Speaker 1: get your card self caught. We see it all the time.
21:11
Speaker 1: So here they decided to go to a car wash.
21:14
Speaker 1: We know his picture, they took the picture, and I'm
21:17
Speaker 1: even wondering why it took so long after there was
21:21
Speaker 1: a police officer there for the marshals to wind up
21:25
Speaker 1: finding out that they had spotted him. Yeah, it's like
21:28
Speaker 1: listen to our cut thirty nine. Our friends at w
21:31
Speaker 1: the Fox. But it all started at James Stinson's car
21:35
Speaker 1: wash a week ago, where he saw a truck abandoned
21:37
Speaker 1: in one of the stalls. The winds are down and
21:40
Speaker 1: the door there unlock. My first thought, oh my god,
21:42
Speaker 1: this could be this guy from Alabama. He had the
21:44
Speaker 1: truck towed the next day. Fast forward to Sunday night.
21:47
Speaker 1: His phone goes off. It's the US Marshals, confirming his suspicions.
21:51
Speaker 1: I said, did you have a cart over your call? Yes?
21:54
Speaker 1: I did. I said it's got that guy, and Alaman managed,
21:56
Speaker 1: yeah it is. I said, yeah. They were there waiting
21:59
Speaker 1: for authorities to arrive. Stinson alerted forty four News Monday morning,
22:03
Speaker 1: the show I'm calling Fox. We were at the car
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Speaker 1: wash minutes before US Marshall's. That's when Stinson showed us
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Speaker 1: the surveillance video, with six foot nine Casey White clearly visible.
22:14
Speaker 1: You can see him standing by the blue F one
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Speaker 1: fifties stolen from Tennessee, waiting for Vicky White. I see
22:19
Speaker 1: her charcle back around in a cab like and Dicky
22:21
Speaker 1: him up and then they leaved together. US Marshall shared
22:24
Speaker 1: some of the images in a press release, alerting local
22:27
Speaker 1: law enforcements. Bringing us back to the pursuit and capture
22:31
Speaker 1: of the fugitives and more in our cut forty five.
22:34
Speaker 1: We recently found out that they'd been staying at a
22:37
Speaker 1: hotel down the road here. It used to be in
22:40
Speaker 1: Motel six and now I think it's changed names, and
22:44
Speaker 1: they's had a fourteen day stay there. We were fortunate
22:49
Speaker 1: that during our investigation yesterday, and that was a police
22:53
Speaker 1: officer who was just doing his good diligence of patrolling
22:59
Speaker 1: and being smart, noticed the vehicle in the parking lot
23:04
Speaker 1: of the hotel and notified us immediately. So the task
23:09
Speaker 1: force members got together, they drove down there set up
23:14
Speaker 1: surveillance on the hotel. Soon thereafter, the two suspects exited
23:20
Speaker 1: the hotel and fled out of the hotel parking lot.
23:24
Speaker 1: They fled out of the hotel parking lot and headed
23:28
Speaker 1: northbound on US Highway forty one. Take a list in
23:31
Speaker 1: our cut forty six is flaming It. The two suspects
23:34
Speaker 1: exited the hotel and fled out of the hotel parking
23:38
Speaker 1: lot northbound on US Highway forty one. Turned in at
23:44
Speaker 1: an industry known as anchor here in Upsville. They went
23:49
Speaker 1: through the parking lot went through a grass field. The
23:54
Speaker 1: members of the US Task Force basically rammed the vehicle
23:58
Speaker 1: and pushed it into a ditch. And we later found
24:02
Speaker 1: out had they not done that, the fugitive was going
24:06
Speaker 1: to engage in a shootout with law enforcement. So by
24:11
Speaker 1: our quick thinking, our actions. Sometimes people may call that
24:15
Speaker 1: unnecessary action, but that action may have saved many of
24:20
Speaker 1: my deputies and fellow law enforcement officers lives. And that's
24:24
Speaker 1: why I represent the sheriff's office. I wouldn't bring my
24:27
Speaker 1: people home, and I don't care about the fugitives lives.
24:31
Speaker 1: I know that may sound harsh, but that is the
24:34
Speaker 1: view of law enforcement. They are trying to save the
24:37
Speaker 1: lives of their deputies and their people fighting crime and civilians,
24:42
Speaker 1: not as word about the fugitives. Sheriff Rick Singleton joining
24:46
Speaker 1: US special Guests, the elected sheriff in Lauderdale County, Sheriff,
24:50
Speaker 1: could you explain to me how it went down. So
24:52
Speaker 1: they go to the car wash and it is there
24:57
Speaker 1: that the defendant is caught on camera, all six foot
25:02
Speaker 1: nine inches of him. She pulls around and picks him
25:05
Speaker 1: up in the caddy. They leave the F one fifty there,
25:08
Speaker 1: go back to the motel and that's when they are surveiled.
25:12
Speaker 1: How did it all happen? Could you lay it out
25:14
Speaker 1: for a sheriff? Well, you know a lot of it
25:18
Speaker 1: comes down to just basic, good old fashioned police ward,
25:22
Speaker 1: you know, having the description of that Cadillac and my
25:25
Speaker 1: understanding as a patrol officers spotted that Cadillac in the
25:28
Speaker 1: parking lot. You know, it sort of reminds me of
25:31
Speaker 1: the Eric Rudolf case where a rookie police officers found
25:36
Speaker 1: him drummaging through a dumpster, you know. And and that's
25:39
Speaker 1: that's the unique thing about this particular case. You know,
25:43
Speaker 1: usually when you have someone escape from a county jail,
25:45
Speaker 1: there's really no plan. You know, the only plan is
25:48
Speaker 1: get out. And then once they're out, they don't know
25:50
Speaker 1: what they're going to do, and so usually they're apprehended
25:53
Speaker 1: within a matter of hours, if not just a few days.
25:56
Speaker 1: But this was well thought out, well orchestrated. They had
26:00
Speaker 1: all the resources they needed and um, you know, and
26:03
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, uh just this morning, you
26:06
Speaker 1: know when you saw them think about it. I mean,
26:08
Speaker 1: this was like looking for a needle in a haystack.
26:11
Speaker 1: They had almost a seventy two hour lead on us
26:14
Speaker 1: before we got our first major lead, and that was
26:17
Speaker 1: identifying the car they left the shopping center in Uh.
26:21
Speaker 1: They could have been anywhere in this country. And when
26:23
Speaker 1: you start thinking about you're looking for two people that
26:27
Speaker 1: could be anywhere in the United States, I mean, it's
26:30
Speaker 1: like looking for a needle in a haystack. We had
26:32
Speaker 1: no clue what direction they went in at that time.
26:36
Speaker 1: We did find out late Sunday night that this was
26:39
Speaker 1: the car that they did leave here. In turns out
26:43
Speaker 1: that card been abandoned the day they left, so you know,
26:46
Speaker 1: when when got to it, we didn't have it back
26:49
Speaker 1: Square one didn't really have a lead. But I'm gonna
26:53
Speaker 1: tell you the United States Marshalls Serious Task Force h
26:57
Speaker 1: that is a tremendous group of young men and women
27:01
Speaker 1: who do their job and do it very well. And
27:04
Speaker 1: my own investigators in the early hours of this investigation,
27:07
Speaker 1: I mean, they did a tremendous job of canvas in
27:10
Speaker 1: that shopping center trying to develop some lead because we
27:14
Speaker 1: started with absolutely nothing. Well, I gotta agree with you, Sheriff.
27:17
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the US Marshals. My long
27:22
Speaker 1: time investigator, the first investigator I was assigned in the
27:26
Speaker 1: District Attorney's office, big huge guy, Robert McMichaels. He had
27:31
Speaker 1: a football ring, he had played football, and I remember
27:38
Speaker 1: when I lost him. He went to become the US
27:42
Speaker 1: Marshal for the Northern District of Georgia, and just a great,
27:48
Speaker 1: great man, relentless his whole team. That's when I first
27:51
Speaker 1: really learned whether the US Marshals do so. Sheriff, could
27:56
Speaker 1: you walk us through if you don't mind. I know
27:59
Speaker 1: you know what the back of your hand. But everybody
28:01
Speaker 1: wants to know how this thing went down. We know
28:06
Speaker 1: how they get out of the jail, We know how
28:08
Speaker 1: she planned it for weeks and weeks and weeks. We
28:11
Speaker 1: know they left in the orange getaway car, and that
28:14
Speaker 1: they swapped the patrol car with a getaway car in
28:18
Speaker 1: a shopping mall, shopping strip center. But then what happened, Well,
28:24
Speaker 1: they obviously headed north, you had trouble with that car,
28:27
Speaker 1: bought the truck from there, apparently went to as Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait,
28:33
Speaker 1: you got me drinking out of the fire hyja too much,
28:35
Speaker 1: too fast? Yes, you told us you thought that orange
28:38
Speaker 1: getaway car ended up with a flat So then they
28:41
Speaker 1: see I guess nearby somebody with the fourty f one
28:45
Speaker 1: fifty the black truck out in their yard for sale
28:49
Speaker 1: and they get it. What did they walk to that place?
28:51
Speaker 1: My understanding is just right there in the general area
28:54
Speaker 1: where the Ford Edge was abandoned. So so yes, I
28:58
Speaker 1: think they probably walked and told the truck in the
29:00
Speaker 1: yard for sale and bought it. But you know, the
29:04
Speaker 1: apparently they went there freight to Evansville because my understanding, right,
29:07
Speaker 1: I think that truck would run either on Monday or
29:10
Speaker 1: Tuesday by that police officer up there, reported by the
29:14
Speaker 1: car washowner, and of course it didn't come back stolen.
29:17
Speaker 1: They got into Cadillac check into this motel, and I
29:20
Speaker 1: really think the reason they did that, and especially paying
29:22
Speaker 1: two weeks up front, is that they by now this
29:26
Speaker 1: has made national news. Their pictures flastered all over news
29:30
Speaker 1: stations all across the country on radio shows. H you know,
29:34
Speaker 1: so they're out there and and though that they're gonna
29:38
Speaker 1: be easily spotted if they're out and about details them.
29:41
Speaker 1: We should have never left the hotel, you know, and
29:44
Speaker 1: you know, but they do. And I don't know where
29:46
Speaker 1: they were headed when they left the hotel Monday, but
29:50
Speaker 1: wherever it was is a bad choice on their part.
29:53
Speaker 1: We knew that the rooms in this I think it
29:56
Speaker 1: was a quality in were very small, very bare, with
30:02
Speaker 1: an open closet. Not much was found in the room.
30:05
Speaker 1: But we also know that no one, none of the guests,
30:10
Speaker 1: saw Vicky White or her gailhouse lover leave go in
30:19
Speaker 1: or out, so there had to be some form of
30:21
Speaker 1: delivery going in and out. I'm curious that the delivery
30:25
Speaker 1: person saw them was suspicious because we also know that
30:29
Speaker 1: Vicky White had tried her best to alter her appearance,
30:32
Speaker 1: even using different wigs. In the end, she was recognized
30:39
Speaker 1: and it's believed she took her own life or did
30:44
Speaker 1: she listen? These are her last words. Hello, good airbags,
31:05
Speaker 1: bon we'll get out the wrong hotel. You hear her say,
31:19
Speaker 1: we should never have left the hotel. We should get
31:22
Speaker 1: out and run time stories with Nancy Grace, time on airbags. Hello,
31:55
Speaker 1: good air back to bone. You hear her say, we
32:13
Speaker 1: should never have left the hotel. We should get out
32:16
Speaker 1: and run straight out to Sheriff Rick Singleton. Do you
32:22
Speaker 1: believe Vicky White took her own life? I think that's
32:25
Speaker 1: the possibility. Um My understanding is that's that's that's what
32:30
Speaker 1: the local authorities there in Indiana. I think that the
32:33
Speaker 1: evidence leads up to Um. The thing about Vicky White,
32:38
Speaker 1: uh you know, she obviously was facing criminal charities back here,
32:42
Speaker 1: But knowing the Vicky I've known for the last seven years,
32:46
Speaker 1: I think she was more uh I guess distraught over
32:52
Speaker 1: having to come back here and face her family and
32:55
Speaker 1: friends as she was the charges. Um, you know, I
32:59
Speaker 1: think that. I mean, she she was loved by her
33:02
Speaker 1: co workers, you know, and and uh, you know, respected
33:05
Speaker 1: and uh you know, I think that played on her
33:09
Speaker 1: as much as as the charges themselves. And of course
33:12
Speaker 1: she's worked seventeen years and in an institution, she holds
33:15
Speaker 1: what it's like to live on the other side of
33:17
Speaker 1: the bars. Um, you know, that might have been a
33:19
Speaker 1: factor too, But I think there is a possibility. And
33:22
Speaker 1: then my understanding is that they feel, for you know,
33:27
Speaker 1: pretty much certain that that happened, that she committed suicide.
33:30
Speaker 1: You know, I think they're they're pretty much convinced that
33:32
Speaker 1: what that's what happened. And I know they did an autopsy. Well,
33:36
Speaker 1: I guess we'll know for sure when we get the
33:37
Speaker 1: results back from that. We have been told that in
33:41
Speaker 1: the end, she was found with a single gunshot wound,
33:46
Speaker 1: and that she still had the gun in her hand.
33:49
Speaker 1: Is that true, Sheriff, That's my understanding. You know that
33:53
Speaker 1: I've seen some video clips were all sure at the
33:56
Speaker 1: car and they're talking about the gun in her hand
34:00
Speaker 1: and so forth, and the other thing I've heard about
34:03
Speaker 1: the on some reports that she called nine one one.
34:07
Speaker 1: My understanding is that when the vehicle wreck, that's the
34:10
Speaker 1: north Star automatically called nine one one, and that's what
34:15
Speaker 1: we're actually over hearing their conversations. I don't think she
34:19
Speaker 1: actually knew she was being recorded by nine one one, right,
34:22
Speaker 1: I don't think she did either. That is how we
34:26
Speaker 1: get the recording that we've been playing for you everybody.
34:30
Speaker 1: Is the nav system within that vehicle that Cadillac started
34:37
Speaker 1: up a call upon the crash and call nine one one,
34:42
Speaker 1: is my understanding. To doctor Tim Gallagher, or medical examiner
34:45
Speaker 1: for the State of Florida, Doctor Gallagher, how common is
34:49
Speaker 1: it when someone commits suicide and I believe she was
34:53
Speaker 1: shot in the head, that they can hold onto the gun. Well,
34:59
Speaker 1: that's typically we find when somebody commits suicide that way,
35:03
Speaker 1: while they're in the seated position. So typically their hand
35:08
Speaker 1: would fall down to their side, and because of primitive
35:13
Speaker 1: neurological actions that are still going on in their hand,
35:18
Speaker 1: their hand tends to clench, they tend to make a fist,
35:21
Speaker 1: and then they make a fist around that gun and
35:23
Speaker 1: it's still it's still found in their hand, even with
35:27
Speaker 1: their fingers still pulled on the trigger. So when you're
35:30
Speaker 1: when you're standing, of course that's not the case. Typically,
35:33
Speaker 1: typically they dropped the gun and it could be on
35:36
Speaker 1: the right or the left side of them. But when
35:38
Speaker 1: they're sitting down, or even when they're laying down on
35:41
Speaker 1: a bed, so for instant their hand clenches around that
35:46
Speaker 1: gun and they're often found with the gun still in
35:48
Speaker 1: their hand, their fingers still on the trigger too. Lenny
35:51
Speaker 1: to Paul former US Marshall Service Fusiitive Task Force, Lenny,
35:55
Speaker 1: are you surprised that she killed herself? And do you
36:00
Speaker 1: that she believed Casey White, her jailhouse lover, was going
36:06
Speaker 1: to shoot it out and die, that they would both
36:09
Speaker 1: go down in a blaze of glory. You know, Nancy,
36:12
Speaker 1: this eleven day man hunt. I was concerned about her
36:15
Speaker 1: all the way around. I mean, I don't know how
36:16
Speaker 1: this thing was going to play out, considering his background,
36:19
Speaker 1: his violence. I mean, he's doing life in prison, looking
36:21
Speaker 1: at the death penalty on another case, and talking with
36:25
Speaker 1: the commanders and these task forces. I was going back
36:27
Speaker 1: and forth with them all week, and that was their
36:29
Speaker 1: biggest worry. How is this going to end? But she
36:31
Speaker 1: going to become a hostage. Wasn't going to be suicide
36:34
Speaker 1: by cop? Was it a barricaded suspect situation? So these
36:37
Speaker 1: guys were hitting on all cylinders and of course not
36:40
Speaker 1: ruling anything out. I'm a little surprised that she took
36:42
Speaker 1: her own life if in fact that's the way it
36:46
Speaker 1: ends up. I'm not sure. I believe the autopsy is out.
36:48
Speaker 1: It was at least a few hours ago, and it
36:51
Speaker 1: was a suicide and a self afflicted gunshot wound. But
36:55
Speaker 1: I do, yeah, I was. I was a little worried
36:57
Speaker 1: and taking in consideration the weapons they were found in
37:00
Speaker 1: that vehicle, you know, and the cars that they were dumping,
37:03
Speaker 1: whether it was flat tires and mechanical issues. I don't
37:06
Speaker 1: think they were transporting provisions and weapons and everything into
37:09
Speaker 1: these cars. They were probably paying cash for food. She
37:12
Speaker 1: was disguised wearing wigs all the time, from what I
37:15
Speaker 1: understand from the investigator, So she might have when out
37:18
Speaker 1: got food, came back whatever was wayhing low, but she
37:20
Speaker 1: was definitely off the grid, going dark for a little while.
37:23
Speaker 1: Don't believe they had any forms of communications, any devices,
37:26
Speaker 1: any cell phones from what I'm hearing. But you know
37:30
Speaker 1: they had made ahead of plan B or a plan C,
37:32
Speaker 1: but it didn't work out too well for I guarantee
37:34
Speaker 1: you know when Lenny De Paul said guns, they were
37:38
Speaker 1: armed to the hill. Fourhand guns, semi automatics nine millimeter
37:42
Speaker 1: known as the AAR fifteen that she used, two twenty
37:44
Speaker 1: three caliber rounds. Any of them could have been used
37:48
Speaker 1: to gun down a civilian or an officer. You know,
37:51
Speaker 1: Sheriff Singleton, your girl was conned. She was conned. She
37:56
Speaker 1: thought this guy loved her and somehow she was going
37:59
Speaker 1: to live out some manic fantasy change him to make
38:02
Speaker 1: him a good person. I guarantee you, Sheriff, she thought
38:07
Speaker 1: they were going to have a suicide pact. Guarantee you
38:12
Speaker 1: that they had talked about going out together in a
38:15
Speaker 1: blaze of glory, but that is not how it went down.
38:20
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you. Um you know how many
38:24
Speaker 1: times have we seen this happen in our jails and prisons,
38:28
Speaker 1: you know, where especially a female creaking gaulser is conned
38:33
Speaker 1: and wood, you know, and to thinking that you know
38:39
Speaker 1: that they are somehow special for this inmate. And you know,
38:43
Speaker 1: Casey White, if you watch the footage of him, I
38:46
Speaker 1: mean even at the scene, there no no visible sign,
38:50
Speaker 1: no body language of any or more any any grief
38:55
Speaker 1: or whatever that his quote wife had just shot herself.
39:01
Speaker 1: You know, it just you, like a lot of other things,
39:05
Speaker 1: you just don't understand why people keep falling for it,
39:08
Speaker 1: you know, Sheriff Man, Yeah, go ahead, Karen Star. He
39:12
Speaker 1: in my mind had a smirk on his face. He
39:15
Speaker 1: wasn't crying, as Sheriff Singleton is pointing out, He's not
39:18
Speaker 1: moaning about his wife nothing. And I'm not surprised at all.
39:22
Speaker 1: When we talked the other day, I said, this man's
39:25
Speaker 1: office mids he's really dangerous and there's not just physical abuse,
39:30
Speaker 1: there's emotional I don't know how much he got her
39:33
Speaker 1: to believe that they were going to do this part,
39:36
Speaker 1: just like the sheriff said, together and actually in their lives.
39:41
Speaker 1: And I'm not surprised he was smirking because there's a
39:44
Speaker 1: guy who has no feeling he can commit submit murder,
39:47
Speaker 1: so what wife, that's ridiculous. He could care less. Final
39:52
Speaker 1: thought to the Sheriff Singleton, I'm glad he's off the street.
39:55
Speaker 1: You know, appreciate all the help, especially from the media.
40:00
Speaker 1: I think the media played a key role in driving
40:03
Speaker 1: them underground and and you know, once they let somewhere
40:06
Speaker 1: for a while, that gave our investigators time to follow
40:09
Speaker 1: up on the leads and tips and actually locate them.
40:14
Speaker 1: And we couldn't have done it without the media and
40:17
Speaker 1: without the tips from the public. Uh. That's that's true
40:20
Speaker 1: in any kind of criminal investigation. I mean, the public
40:23
Speaker 1: so important, and in a case like this, I can't
40:26
Speaker 1: stress enough the importance of the media cooperating and helping
40:29
Speaker 1: us get the word out there. I think it was
40:30
Speaker 1: a major factor. Justice unfolds as Casey White now facing
40:36
Speaker 1: life behind bars or worse. Nancy Grace comp story signing
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Speaker 1: off