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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I am gonna make it
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Speaker 1: through this year if it kills me. Addition, as I
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Speaker 1: discussed the Bengals twenty twenty six schedule with NFL executive
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Speaker 1: One of the NFL executives most responsible for putting together
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Speaker 1: the league's two hundred and seventy two game puzzle is
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Speaker 1: a Cincinnati guy, Hans Schroeder, the NFL's executive vice president
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Speaker 1: of media Distribution. Hans grew up in Cincinnati, was an
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Speaker 1: All state football player at Cincinnati Country Day before going
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Speaker 1: on to Princeton, and his dad played football at UC.
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Speaker 1: Here's my conversation with Hans Schroeder. Hans, you will hear
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Speaker 1: no complaints this year from Bengals fans about Cincinnati having
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Speaker 1: to play a primetime road game in Baltimore. In fact,
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Speaker 1: it is the other way around. The Ravens come to
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati on a Thursday night happens to be New Year's Eve.
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Speaker 1: Was there an effort to not only avoid Cincinnati having
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Speaker 1: to play in primetime in Baltimore for the fifth year
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Speaker 1: in a row, but to turn it around and to
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Speaker 1: give the Bengals a primetime home game against the Ravens.
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Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, it was one look and not just
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Speaker 2: something specific to Cincinnat But we look at those trends
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Speaker 2: dan year to year for all teams, and you know,
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Speaker 2: quite frankly, we went deep into the schedule process last year,
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Speaker 2: probably in the last twenty four hours where we were
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Speaker 2: seeing that Thanksgiving night game last year in Cincinnati, and
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Speaker 2: just something flipped at the very end and when it
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Speaker 2: was one of those things that just the best ultimate
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Speaker 2: schedule for all thirty two And I think there were
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Speaker 2: some things in that schedule last year, even for the Bengals,
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Speaker 2: were a little bit better meant going back to Baltimore,
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Speaker 2: but you know, we thought overall the schedule was better.
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Speaker 2: So going into this year. It was something that we
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Speaker 2: felt there was a run of being on the road
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Speaker 2: at Baltimore, trying to balance that up, trying to balance
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Speaker 2: in the division. And the other thing is we looked
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Speaker 2: at last year and got a huge number on Thanksgiving
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Speaker 2: Night for that game, almost twenty eight million viewers, which is,
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Speaker 2: you know, at the top end of the list for
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Speaker 2: Sunday Night Football and NBC on Thursday that night. So
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Speaker 2: we loved it. When we started seeing the schedule and
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Speaker 2: finally seeing it come back where it was going to
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Speaker 2: be New Year's even Cincinnati in the jungle, we thought
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Speaker 2: that would be a great, great way to return it
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Speaker 2: to Cincinnati and have a great way to to to
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Speaker 2: sort of deepen the year, celebrate New Year's Eve in
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Speaker 2: the Queen City.
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Speaker 1: We discussed that Thanksgiving Night game last year. You were
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Speaker 1: well aware of the fact that Bengals fans were grumbling
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Speaker 1: a little bit about having to play on a Thursday
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Speaker 1: night in Baltimore for the third year in a row.
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Speaker 1: Did you chuckle a little bit when Cincinnati went in
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Speaker 1: there and won.
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Speaker 2: Look, in my job now, it's just about rooting for
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Speaker 2: good games. So we were the thing we were We
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Speaker 2: were very happy with excited about. Although Flacco played great,
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Speaker 2: there was a real story with how Flacco was playing
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Speaker 2: in the interim, but it was fun. I think that
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Speaker 2: was Burrow's first game back, right, There was questions whether
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Speaker 2: he's going to play the week before and ended up
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Speaker 2: being Burrow's week, but you know, first game back, so
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Speaker 2: we were excited about that. Maybe a little bit of
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Speaker 2: a chuckle, but we knew, you know, we knew coming
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Speaker 2: through that you know, there was a time to balance
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Speaker 2: things up, and it was great that it worked out
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Speaker 2: this year like it did.
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Speaker 1: I have a similar question about primetime road games in
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Speaker 1: the AFC North for the Bengals, because there was a
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Speaker 1: stretch where they played far more road games than home
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Speaker 1: games in primetime against their divisional rivals. This year, they've
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Speaker 1: got two primetime home games against Pittsburgh and Baltimore. They
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Speaker 1: do not play a primetime road game in the AFC North.
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Speaker 1: Was that deliberate or is that just evidence of how
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Speaker 1: these things ultimately even out in the end.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think we saw that had been on the
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Speaker 2: road a lot, so it was one of those things,
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Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't say it was quite as strong
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Speaker 2: as just making sure that Baltimore on a Thursday night.
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Speaker 2: Too many years in a row, the same game, same
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Speaker 2: window on a Thursday night, felt like something that was
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Speaker 2: a little bit more well, let's put our thumb on
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Speaker 2: the scale and even things up a little bit. But
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Speaker 2: you know, look they had played more away, so certainly
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Speaker 2: we liked the idea in big stage with Pittsburgh and
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Speaker 2: host in Pittsburgh. I'm sure Chris Collinsworth will be excited
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Speaker 2: that week with a very short commute to work in
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Speaker 2: his hometown. But look, we think it's a great Monday.
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Speaker 2: We were really excited about where that Cincinnati Washington game
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Speaker 2: ended up two years ago. I think when they played
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Speaker 2: on Monday night too, it was a shootout, you know,
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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, so fun game. So look, we definitely thought
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Speaker 2: it was, you know, a few more divisionals coming back
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Speaker 2: the other way over time we thought would happen, you know,
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Speaker 2: But really the Baltimore one is the one that we felt, hey,
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Speaker 2: you know, that's really something we need to competitively make
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Speaker 2: sure flips the other way.
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Speaker 1: NFL Executive vice president and former Cincinnati and Hans Schroeder
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Speaker 1: is our guest. The Bengals are heading to Spain to
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Speaker 1: take on the Atlanta Falcons it'll be their first international
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Speaker 1: trip since twenty nineteen. Was Cincinnati more or less do
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Speaker 1: to play an international game or where the Bengals chosen
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Speaker 1: because of the star power of Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase
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Speaker 1: right on a.
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Speaker 2: Stanswor a little bit of both. Right, And you've seen
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Speaker 2: this year as a new record for US with nine
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Speaker 2: games internationally. Overall, you know we are as a league
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Speaker 2: or are spending a lot of time. We have flag
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Speaker 2: football growing around the world. Flag football is and the
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Speaker 2: Olympics in twenty eight in La the games growing everywhere.
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Speaker 2: We're playing in Australia this year for the first time, Paris, Rio,
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Speaker 2: and so the second year in Madrid. We had a
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Speaker 2: great first year last year in Madrid and a really
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Speaker 2: cool real Madrid's home stadium and iconic stadium in Europe,
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Speaker 2: and so we're trying to elevate the games and we're
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Speaker 2: trying to build those games. We've seen the viewership grow
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Speaker 2: last year is up significantly on NFL Network across those
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Speaker 2: nine thirty windows. So we looked at the falcons and
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Speaker 2: looked and it's always a puzzle down because you know
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Speaker 2: there's a certain number of opponents, but some are playing
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Speaker 2: elsewhere internationally already, so they're not available. You look at
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Speaker 2: sort of who's in the clubs, can you know, look
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Speaker 2: at keeping a couple of the teams back as home
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Speaker 2: games in the States, and so Cincinnati was one of
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Speaker 2: the clubs that we were really excited about as an
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Speaker 2: option you know in Atlanta, as we're looking to make
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Speaker 2: those games bigger, and they hadn't played since nineteen. Those
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Speaker 2: two things said, you know what, this could be a
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Speaker 2: really fun way to go to Madrid for the second time.
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Speaker 2: And it worked out. And certainly, you know, Joe is
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Speaker 2: one of the you know, more iconic players in the
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Speaker 2: league right now, both on the field and off quite frankly,
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Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot that Joe does. It gets
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Speaker 2: a lot of followings. So we thought the Bengals, but
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Speaker 2: also with the Falcons, is going to be a great matchup.
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Speaker 1: In early November, hans I was surprised that the Bengals
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Speaker 1: don't have a bye after the trip to Madrid. Teams
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Speaker 1: used to have the option to choose to have a
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Speaker 1: buy after traveling internationally. Why is that no longer the case?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think over time, it's just you know,
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Speaker 2: our first game in Europe was in London and seven
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Speaker 2: and we got fifteen plus years into that or roughly
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Speaker 2: or so. Just the learnings of even with some of
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Speaker 2: the different cities, there's much more of a routine. We're
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Speaker 2: much smarter as a league about the accommodations, the practice facilities,
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Speaker 2: everything that goes into playing in Europe, and then looking
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Speaker 2: at the practical element. If you're an East Coast team,
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Speaker 2: it's not that different than going west or certainly Miami
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Speaker 2: to a Seattle is probably as long as a trip
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Speaker 2: as you get going to Europe. So you know, as
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Speaker 2: we looked more into it and thought about it, you know,
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Speaker 2: more flexibility in the schedule, but then balancing as we're
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Speaker 2: playing other things, more games and places Thursday nights otherwise,
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Speaker 2: more flexibility and when that buy hits. I think the
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Speaker 2: Bengals is in week six if I remember right right,
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Speaker 2: and then they'll have that mini buy coming off Thursday
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Speaker 2: going into week eighteen, so you know, coaches look at
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Speaker 2: that and spaced out. We actually think they'll get a
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Speaker 2: little bit of the benefit of an earlier by plus
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Speaker 2: a late Thursday. That's sort of one of the things
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Speaker 2: we liked about their specific schedule and how that balances out.
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Speaker 2: But the short answer, we've just seen teams get a
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Speaker 2: lot smarter we as a league, or a lot better
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Speaker 2: at planning, and just didn't think we need to force
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Speaker 2: that buy in either. And we're playing earlier games, you know,
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Speaker 2: so like if a team's playing in week four this year,
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Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to have to force them
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Speaker 2: to their week by and week five either. So just
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Speaker 2: a lot more flexibility for us to get to the
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Speaker 2: best schedule, and also knowing that it's it's less of
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Speaker 2: a you know, we're just better and more efficient about
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Speaker 2: how we play those games.
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Speaker 1: The Bengals will be the road team quote unquote road
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Speaker 1: team for that game against the Falcons. They expect to
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Speaker 1: host an international game next year. They haven't had to
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Speaker 1: give up a home game since twenty sixteen. They've got
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Speaker 1: the extra home game next year. As I noted, you
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Speaker 1: grew up in Cincinnati, you are very familiar with Cincinnati's
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Speaker 1: German heritage. It seems to me that Munich would be
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Speaker 1: a natural. Would that be a consideration for when the
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Speaker 1: Bengals are hosting an international game?
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Speaker 2: Look at and certainly you know there's a number of
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Speaker 2: factors that obviously there's a huge German heritage. I think
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Speaker 2: at one point there was a data point that the
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Speaker 2: the Octoberfest in Cincinnati was one of the biggest outside
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Speaker 2: of the world and outside of Germany or otherwise. But look,
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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of considerations. Peter O'Reilly, who
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Speaker 2: runs our international area, you know, they factor a lot
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Speaker 2: of those things. Certainly, as you pointed, you know, without
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Speaker 2: knowing anything as we get deeper into from the you know,
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Speaker 2: the cycle, and what we did Dan ultimately was when
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Speaker 2: we went to seventeen games, what we said is a
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Speaker 2: team has to give up, you know, that seventeenth game
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Speaker 2: once in the eight years that they'll have it rotating
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Speaker 2: back and forth between the two conferences. So Cincinnati having
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Speaker 2: not played it certainly makes it more likely their next
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Speaker 2: year or in a couple of years. But you know,
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Speaker 2: that's something Peter will work through with all the teams
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Speaker 2: when it comes up, what teams are available, what markets,
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Speaker 2: what markets were going to be in. Certainly, Germany is
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Speaker 2: a great growth area for US. We had a league
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Speaker 2: there for a long time, so it'd be fun to
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Speaker 2: see Cincinnati and Germany. But obviously they need to do
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Speaker 2: the work to figure out how to sort that out.
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Speaker 2: And get to that final international schedule next year.
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Speaker 1: I think the Cincinnati October Fest is the second largest there.
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Speaker 1: You go, yeah, so yeah, so you're right about that.
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Speaker 1: The NFL is expanding into Australia and France this year.
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Speaker 1: Should we expect new international markets next year?
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Speaker 2: Look at the game's growing, it's going on crazy, you know.
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Speaker 2: And we talked a little bit earlier just about the
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Speaker 2: impact of flag. That makes the sport now what we
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Speaker 2: all played up in our front yards just a ball sport.
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Speaker 2: So look, we're going to continue to look globally. We
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Speaker 2: think we're in a great set of markets today with
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Speaker 2: the UK and Germany and France and Spain, Brazil, Australia.
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Speaker 2: We're going back to Mexico this year, you know, for
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Speaker 2: the first time in a while. So look, there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of interest. Again I'm not as close to exactly
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Speaker 2: where we are for next year, but I know there's
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Speaker 2: a lot more interest than even the countries we're in today.
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Speaker 2: But when we go and Australia is going to be
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Speaker 2: a great example. Having lived in Sydney for a couple
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Speaker 2: of years, that MCG the Melbourne Cricket Grounds is an
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Speaker 2: iconic stadium. I think going back to the fifty six Olympics.
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Speaker 2: There one hundred thousand people, you know, fills the building.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be great to see that Rams Niners game,
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Speaker 2: you know, the second night of the opening weekend. So
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll be in more markets where and how
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Speaker 2: and if Cincinnati's gone, we'll know a lot more a
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Speaker 2: year from now.
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Speaker 1: Certainly, NFL Executive Vice President Hans Schroeder is our guest.
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Speaker 1: He is a Cincinnati Country Day grad, a member of
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Speaker 1: the school's athletic Hall of Fame. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: you referred to Joe Burrow a little bit earlier and
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Speaker 1: mentioned some of the things that he's done on and
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Speaker 1: off the field. Took part in the Fanatics Flag Football Classic,
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Speaker 1: he was in the met Gala for the second year
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Speaker 1: in a row. He was among the celebs at the
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Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby. Is there a more marketable player right now
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Speaker 1: in the NFL than Joe Burrow?
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Speaker 2: Well, in the Fanatics? I just you know, speaking to
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Speaker 2: I'm sure Cincinnati held their breath on that long run
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Speaker 2: he had when he's diving and trying to get into
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Speaker 2: the end zone, was probably a little bit moment of
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Speaker 2: pause and and back back in Cincinnati. But look, Joe's
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Speaker 2: one of our biggest stars. You know, we're lucky. We
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Speaker 2: have a lot of stars. There's a lot of great quarterbacks,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of great players, but certainly Joe's up
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Speaker 2: there amongst the top of that list. And you know,
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Speaker 2: I actually got the pleasure to meet him briefly at
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year at a at a lunch out
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Speaker 2: in the Bay Area, just briefly. And wonderful guy. But
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Speaker 2: what an ambassador for the sport. I mean, somebody that
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Speaker 2: lives and breathes it by all accounts, seems like a
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Speaker 2: leader in all the right ways. And just his passion
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Speaker 2: for the sport and what you read and hear about
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Speaker 2: with his dedication, and it's remarkable. So you know, yes,
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Speaker 2: he's one of our biggest stars. And I couldn't think
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Speaker 2: of a you know, better star as far as just
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Speaker 2: all the role modeling he does for kids and future
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Speaker 2: fans and international fans and otherwise, just a real credit
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Speaker 2: to Joe and what the type of person he is.
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Speaker 1: Sports Business Journal recently reported that Cincinnati holds the inside
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Speaker 1: track to host the twenty twenty nine NFL Draft. What
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Speaker 1: does a city have to demonstrate to earn that opportunity.
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Speaker 2: You know, the Draft's an incredible thing and it's been
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Speaker 2: a joy. You know, one of the fun parts of
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Speaker 2: my career was got to you know, ask by the
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Speaker 2: commissioner back in twenty fourteen or so, I think roughly
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Speaker 2: to sort of we couldn't go back to Radio City
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Speaker 2: Music Hall where we had had the draft here, and
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Speaker 2: should we think about it going on the road, And
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Speaker 2: worked all across the building and came up with this
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Speaker 2: idea to go to Chicago, and all of a sudden
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Speaker 2: to see all the fans turn out in the Midwest
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Speaker 2: for Chicago, and then to see now fast forward a
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Speaker 2: decade plus later to see that visual up in Pittsburgh River.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's just incredible. And so what I love
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Speaker 2: about it is, you know, the Super Bowls tend to
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Speaker 2: have a rotation more to a limited set of places
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Speaker 2: than otherwise, but the Draft has been something we've been
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Speaker 2: able to take to Cleveland or at Green Bay or
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Speaker 2: Kansas City, and so to me, it's it's the tempole
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Speaker 2: of the off season. Certainly, it's become an event in
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Speaker 2: and of itself, almost like anything else in sports, with
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Speaker 2: the number of people that turn out over multiple days. So, Look,
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Speaker 2: I I'm not close to that process, but certainly haven't
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Speaker 2: been from the city and grown up in the city.
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Speaker 2: I think it would be an incredible host for the
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Speaker 2: event when and if that happens, and you know, to
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Speaker 2: see the visuals of what that would look like down
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Speaker 2: there on the banks, in and around the stadium and
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Speaker 2: what Cincinnati's like in late April, would would be just
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Speaker 2: a rival Pittsburgh and the other places we've been recently.
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Speaker 2: I think they would. They would put on a phenomenal draft,
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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of competition out, a lot of
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Speaker 2: interest in different cities. You want it so but I
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Speaker 2: think they'd be a great host win and if.
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Speaker 1: It happens, only the visuals of this year's Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: parade will be better. That's all I have to say.
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Speaker 1: I've asked you a bunch of Cincinnati related questions so far,
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Speaker 1: But big picture, what were the biggest challenges that you
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Speaker 1: faced in putting together this incredible two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 1: two game puzzle this year for the NFL schedule.
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Speaker 2: Look, there's always some things that are new. The international
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Speaker 2: aspects were one of them. Were playing on some fun
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Speaker 2: new windows like Thanksgiving Eve. Those were fun ways to
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Speaker 2: tackle and try to solve it. But you know, one
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Speaker 2: of the things that was unique. Everybody thinks a lot
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Speaker 2: of fans think that we make up the matchups or
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Speaker 2: who plays who. It's all formulaic. You know, our scheduling process,
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Speaker 2: which is really year round but kicks off the minute
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Speaker 2: Sunday Night football ends on week eighteen. We know every
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Speaker 2: team that's playing, every team. And this year what's really
17:52
Speaker 2: interesting is the Western divisions are so good, the NFC
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Speaker 2: West and the AFC West. He got Vegas and Arizona
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Speaker 2: building back up, but you've got three really strong teams
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Speaker 2: on top of that in each division with the Broncos, Chargers,
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Speaker 2: Chiefs and then the Seattle Rams Diners, with great rivalries
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Speaker 2: amongst those teams. But then those two divisions actually play
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Speaker 2: each other this year, so you got all these other
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Speaker 2: you got San Francisco Chargers, you got Denver San Francisco
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Speaker 2: in a double header. You've got Kansas City playing Seattle.
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Speaker 2: So because of how strong all those West Coast teams are,
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Speaker 2: and you know the great rivalries that trying to figure
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Speaker 2: out how to get a home for all those games,
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Speaker 2: and you'll see a couple of weeks when you look
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Speaker 2: at the schedule and you'll see some great double header
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Speaker 2: games at four to twenty five, but then see a
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Speaker 2: great West Coast game behind it. There are just so
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Speaker 2: many good games that I think this year they'll even
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Speaker 2: be maybe a stronger set of games at four o'clock
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Speaker 2: than we've had in a while, just because the depth
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Speaker 2: of those great matchups with West Coast teams. It's a
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Speaker 2: challenge but also a fun, fun one to tackle.
18:55
Speaker 1: Ans I mentioned your Cincinnati roots. You've got a picture
18:58
Speaker 1: of your dad over your shoulders in your office. He
19:01
Speaker 1: is a former Bearcat. Do you still have family in
19:03
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and do you get back to town.
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Speaker 2: We get back a couple of times. Yes. My nephew,
19:09
Speaker 2: also Hans Schroeder, lives in Cincinnati, has been there for
19:14
Speaker 2: a few years. And then my aunt and uncle who
19:17
Speaker 2: are also Cincinnati. My uncle's a Cincinnati native, you know,
19:23
Speaker 2: both live still in town and my cousins are spread out.
19:25
Speaker 2: But we get back and try to get back out
19:28
Speaker 2: a couple of times a year still to get some
19:32
Speaker 2: skyline and some greaters, maybe a Reds game and a
19:35
Speaker 2: Bengals game if possible too. So we love going home.
19:39
Speaker 2: It's still you know where I grew up and spent
19:41
Speaker 2: you know, most of my early early life in a
19:44
Speaker 2: special place to me, and it's always really special going
19:47
Speaker 2: back and going home.
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Speaker 1: Hins. I appreciate your time. This is always a lot
19:51
Speaker 1: of fun for me. Thanks so much, and I look
19:53
Speaker 1: forward to visiting again down the road.
19:55
Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, anytime.
19:57
Speaker 1: Up next my chat with Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson.
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20:26
Speaker 1: opinions about this year's schedule with Jeff Hobson, which when
20:30
Speaker 1: I took my first look at the schedule, two things
20:33
Speaker 1: immediately stood out. Number one, a primetime home game on
20:37
Speaker 1: a Thursday night against Baltimore at last, which I fully expected,
20:42
Speaker 1: quite honestly after four straight primetime road games against the Ravens.
20:45
Speaker 1: And then number two, No bye week after traveling to Madrid.
20:50
Speaker 1: It's going to be about an eight hour flight, so
20:52
Speaker 1: that'll be interesting the next week. But let's start with
20:55
Speaker 1: the Baltimore primetime game at home on New Year's Eve
20:58
Speaker 1: where you, like me, did you did you expect almost
21:01
Speaker 1: to make good and the Bengals to get a primetime
21:04
Speaker 1: home game against Baltimore?
21:06
Speaker 3: Yeah?
21:06
Speaker 4: I did, but now they got to go four more
21:08
Speaker 4: straight years there to make to make good on.
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Speaker 3: What they did before.
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Speaker 4: But I guess I didn't expect it to be in December,
21:16
Speaker 4: which is good. That's a good thing. And you know,
21:19
Speaker 4: the next to last game of the year. I mean,
21:21
Speaker 4: that's that's huge. I mean, so I think they did
21:24
Speaker 4: get a break there because you know, they're not Thursday
21:27
Speaker 4: night at home in October. You know, I mean this game.
21:30
Speaker 4: I know they say every game, you know, means the same.
21:34
Speaker 4: The game in September means as much as December. But
21:37
Speaker 4: not when you're eight and six and fighting for the flag.
21:40
Speaker 3: You know.
21:42
Speaker 1: As for the lack of a bye after traveling to Madrid,
21:46
Speaker 1: is that this year's big complaint from the Bengals perspective.
21:51
Speaker 4: Well, I talked to one, you know, talk to a
21:53
Speaker 4: couple of guys and you know, I mean Orlando Brown
21:57
Speaker 4: felt that he liked nearly buy in the sense because
22:02
Speaker 4: he thinks they're a good team this year and that
22:04
Speaker 4: they're going to be rolling. And if you roll, and
22:07
Speaker 4: if you're on a roll and you get stopped in November,
22:10
Speaker 4: you know, now you got to get.
22:11
Speaker 3: Back into the now.
22:12
Speaker 4: You get to get get to get back into the
22:15
Speaker 4: get back into the swing.
22:16
Speaker 3: You know. So I think they're in what week six
22:20
Speaker 3: hoardy to buy. I think it's an early buy.
22:22
Speaker 1: It's after the fifth game, correct.
22:24
Speaker 4: Right, and it's uh, you know, I think uh, Orlando's
22:28
Speaker 4: point is that by then you got an identity.
22:32
Speaker 3: You know, you take you take a break, and then
22:35
Speaker 3: you make you.
22:35
Speaker 4: Make your let you know, you make your last push
22:37
Speaker 4: there and you're really you know, and at that point
22:40
Speaker 4: you're gelling and you don't you know, you don't hit Thanksgiving.
22:43
Speaker 4: I think what they did last year, right, they they
22:45
Speaker 4: kind of hit they hit the bye at Thanksgiving. I'm
22:48
Speaker 4: not sure, you know, I think they I think it
22:50
Speaker 4: was after the Thursday night game, right, and I think
22:52
Speaker 4: they felt a little I think anyway thereby I think
22:57
Speaker 4: some of the guys thought, you know, they had tried
22:59
Speaker 4: to get something together and you know, late in November,
23:03
Speaker 4: that's tough to do.
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Speaker 1: So I gave you the two things that really caught
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Speaker 1: my eye, the primetime home game against Baltimore the lack
23:10
Speaker 1: of a bye after traveling to Madrid. What if anything
23:13
Speaker 1: caught your eye as soon as you've scanned this year's schedule.
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Speaker 4: Seven straight one pm games, I think the stat the
23:21
Speaker 4: season that was something you haven't We haven't seen in
23:26
Speaker 4: the burrough Ara that much except in twenty twenty, I
23:28
Speaker 4: think probably, And which is interesting. You know, it's the
23:36
Speaker 4: people around the team.
23:38
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the players and the coaches. They love that.
23:41
Speaker 4: I mean that that gets them into a groove. And
23:43
Speaker 4: you know, I think they're kind of going back to
23:45
Speaker 4: what Orlando was talking about.
23:47
Speaker 3: So that hit my eye too.
23:49
Speaker 4: And also, you know, that's a December, that's a that's
23:54
Speaker 4: a tough gig. I know some people having various opinions
23:58
Speaker 4: about what their toughest stretches. I just think that's a
24:02
Speaker 4: that that that last month of the season, you know,
24:05
Speaker 4: that's no matter whether it's home or away. You know, uh,
24:10
Speaker 4: you got you got, you got my homes, you got
24:12
Speaker 4: Lamia Jackson, you know Uh, I just I just think
24:17
Speaker 4: that's uh, you know, you get Caroline as a division winner.
24:21
Speaker 4: You know, that's a tough place. You know, that's a
24:22
Speaker 4: tough plate in the last month of the season.
24:25
Speaker 1: You mentioned the seventh straight one o'clock games to begin
24:28
Speaker 1: the schedule. That takes them up to the Madrid game
24:32
Speaker 1: that's November eighth. So they do not play a game,
24:35
Speaker 1: assuming they don't get flexed. Uh, they do not play
24:39
Speaker 1: a game later than one o'clock until the eighth of November.
24:43
Speaker 1: That's crazy to me.
24:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that, Uh, you know, it's it's I
24:49
Speaker 4: think it also shows too.
24:50
Speaker 3: It's the byproduct of you.
24:51
Speaker 4: Know, if you have a losing season, you know that,
24:54
Speaker 4: you know, the national windows kind of tighten up on
24:56
Speaker 4: you a little bit.
24:57
Speaker 3: Now they still get pretty good.
24:58
Speaker 4: They still got they still you know, they're with Burrow,
25:01
Speaker 4: They're always going to have exposure, you know.
25:03
Speaker 3: And I don't know how you count that. That Madrid game.
25:05
Speaker 4: To me, that's a national game, because that's a that's
25:08
Speaker 4: a I mean, I don't know who's up to watch it,
25:10
Speaker 4: but who's but whose ever's up is going to be
25:12
Speaker 4: watching it, you know, And so to me, that's a
25:15
Speaker 4: that's a even though it's far from prime time, it
25:19
Speaker 4: certainly feels like a national window game.
25:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. That's a high profile game, even though
25:24
Speaker 1: it starts at nine thirty in the morning Eastern time.
25:27
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
25:28
Speaker 4: And do we always have to play Kansas City at
25:30
Speaker 4: fourth twenty five? So I guess that must mean it's
25:32
Speaker 4: going to end.
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Speaker 3: On a field goal.
25:34
Speaker 4: It's going to be a walk off the field goal
25:36
Speaker 4: that starts at four twenty five.
25:38
Speaker 1: Hopefully it ends with a game winning walk off field
25:41
Speaker 1: goal as opposed to a fourth and sixteen penalty late
25:44
Speaker 1: in the game that leads to a Kansas City game
25:47
Speaker 1: winning walkoff field goal.
25:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially at that at that time of the year,
25:52
Speaker 4: you know that that conjures up memories. It's almost the
25:54
Speaker 4: same week that of the Travis Kelcey game when the
25:58
Speaker 4: Chiefs are going down to put the game away and
26:01
Speaker 4: Jermaine Pratton had that great strip and fumble recovery at midfield.
26:06
Speaker 3: Chris Evans was the hero of the game. Chris Chris Evans,
26:09
Speaker 3: who was.
26:12
Speaker 4: You know, coming off the bench put him ahead, and
26:16
Speaker 4: you know Joseph O'sai got the sack. Harrison Bucker was
26:20
Speaker 4: back father than he wanted to be and missed the
26:23
Speaker 4: field goal and.
26:25
Speaker 3: Debate. The thing I remember about that game.
26:27
Speaker 4: Sorry to digress, but that was they didn't need a
26:29
Speaker 4: field goal to win it, but a great third and
26:31
Speaker 4: eleven play by t Higgins to salt it away with
26:34
Speaker 4: seventy two seconds left. So you know, it's probably going
26:38
Speaker 4: to come down to that something like that. And I
26:42
Speaker 4: guess what will I guess Taylor Swift.
26:45
Speaker 3: Might be here, right, so possible? Sure, right right?
26:50
Speaker 4: The two He's just saying, you know, Travis is a
26:53
Speaker 4: Ohio guy, went to school here.
26:56
Speaker 1: It's then speculated that the Skyline Chili Crosstown shootout could
27:01
Speaker 1: be the day before. I have not seen a date
27:05
Speaker 1: for that. I don't know if that's the case, but
27:08
Speaker 1: if that's the case, that might increase the likelihood or
27:12
Speaker 1: possibility that the world's biggest pop star would be here.
27:16
Speaker 1: She could conceivably take in the shootout with her future
27:19
Speaker 1: hobby and then watch the Bengals in Chiefs the next day.
27:23
Speaker 3: Whatdy, what are you going to do for your What
27:26
Speaker 3: about your vocal cords?
27:27
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some My vocal cords are much more
27:30
Speaker 1: resilient than my right shoulder as it turns out, my
27:33
Speaker 1: voice will be fine.
27:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, hey, you don't want your voice and
27:38
Speaker 3: swing nets.
27:38
Speaker 1: For sure, my voice will be fine. I will hydrate,
27:41
Speaker 1: that's for sure. It's been such a big theme but
27:44
Speaker 1: in recent years about the Bengals trying to get off
27:47
Speaker 1: to a fast start, and they managed to do it
27:49
Speaker 1: last year before Joe got hurt. A couple of years ago,
27:53
Speaker 1: we looked at the schedule on release day and three
27:56
Speaker 1: of the first four games were against teams that were
27:59
Speaker 1: coming up terrible seasons. We all said, well, the worst
28:02
Speaker 1: the Bengals will be after four weeks is three and one.
28:05
Speaker 1: Turned out they were one in three last year. The
28:07
Speaker 1: first two games of the year were against teams coming
28:10
Speaker 1: off terrible years, Cleveland and Jacksonville. They won those two games,
28:13
Speaker 1: then Joe got hurt. They wound up being two and
28:16
Speaker 1: two after four. I look at the first four games
28:18
Speaker 1: this year. The Bengals only have four games all year
28:22
Speaker 1: against teams that won ten or more games last year.
28:25
Speaker 1: Three of those four games are in the first four
28:27
Speaker 1: weeks Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, and Houston. The other games the opener
28:31
Speaker 1: against Tampa Bay. That's certainly not easy. That was an
28:33
Speaker 1: eight to nine team a year ago. What do you
28:36
Speaker 1: think of that first four to begin this season in
28:40
Speaker 1: light of the ongoing Bengals theme of trying to get
28:43
Speaker 1: off to a fast start.
28:45
Speaker 4: It's always tough when you face Houston. Okay, I kind
28:48
Speaker 4: of trying to look up my matchups. You know, Houston
28:50
Speaker 4: is a nightmare defensively. But this is the best Bengals
28:55
Speaker 4: offensive line they've had under Zach. It's the most consistent
28:59
Speaker 4: offensive line they've had under Zach. So second game of
29:02
Speaker 4: the year, these guys are, you know, they're intact. They're
29:05
Speaker 4: ready to go Pittsburgh. I think is uh. I think
29:10
Speaker 4: they catch Pittsburgh at a good time. I think the
29:13
Speaker 4: Steelers offensive line is UH is being revamped. The left
29:18
Speaker 4: tackle UH, Roderick Jones is coming off as surgery. The
29:22
Speaker 4: left guard went left via free agency. They're talking about
29:27
Speaker 4: maybe putting the right tackle in there, the rookie, the
29:29
Speaker 4: rookie they have no shot to get his name right,
29:32
Speaker 4: but the rookie right right.
29:35
Speaker 5: Tack back with a long last name, right Max, not
29:39
Speaker 5: Max Stacks, but another new guy, Max with long name
29:43
Speaker 5: and UH, to talk about putting him in, you know,
29:46
Speaker 5: plugging in the right tackle.
29:47
Speaker 4: You know, so hopefully they're not going to have this
29:49
Speaker 4: figured out. It's good time to catch them and Dexter
29:51
Speaker 4: and his guys can put the feet in the ground
29:53
Speaker 4: right away, you know. So I mean those two matchups,
29:57
Speaker 4: if I had seen him before, Dexter, before this offensive
30:00
Speaker 4: line had been you know, had come coming back off
30:03
Speaker 4: such a good year, you know, I feel I feel
30:07
Speaker 4: better about it, you know, those those two matches, and
30:10
Speaker 4: I think they you know, uh, the opener, nobody knows
30:13
Speaker 4: what you know, know, nobody knows what's going to happen
30:16
Speaker 4: in an opener, so that you just kind of you
30:18
Speaker 4: have to look at the next couple. I think, and
30:21
Speaker 4: I think Houston and Pittsburgh those are you know, those
30:23
Speaker 4: are tough gigs. But I think with the way the
30:25
Speaker 4: Bengals are built, you know, I think, you know, I
30:28
Speaker 4: think they I think they have good shots in both games.
30:30
Speaker 1: The toughest three game stretch for me begins with the
30:33
Speaker 1: Madrid game against Atlanta. So you've got that, you fly
30:38
Speaker 1: home eight or more hours, then you play on Sunday
30:41
Speaker 1: Night football it isn't home against the Steelers. Then the
30:44
Speaker 1: next week Monday Night Football against Washington. Is that the
30:49
Speaker 1: toughest three game stretch in your view, or is something
30:52
Speaker 1: else even more difficult than that?
30:55
Speaker 3: I think the last two games at home.
30:57
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the last three games of a schedule,
31:00
Speaker 4: I I are.
31:01
Speaker 3: Tough to me that is they're at Indy. I think
31:04
Speaker 3: I think the last.
31:05
Speaker 4: Four games at Carolina at Indy and Baltimore and Cleveland.
31:10
Speaker 4: Now to me, not at day, to me, not at
31:12
Speaker 4: day at the beach. You have an interesting I mean,
31:14
Speaker 4: I think that's it. That's also difficult stretch. That's why
31:17
Speaker 4: when you say, well it's the third easiest schedule, well,
31:21
Speaker 4: how do you shuffle the deck or whatever?
31:22
Speaker 3: You know? So, uh, they do get a bread, they
31:25
Speaker 3: do get a break.
31:26
Speaker 4: They don't get it by they get you know, they
31:28
Speaker 4: don't get a Monday night game after Madrid. They get
31:31
Speaker 4: I guess a Sunday night game. So that's a little
31:33
Speaker 4: bit of a break. They've had a pretty good success
31:35
Speaker 4: against Pittsburgh in prime time here you know flac oh,
31:40
Speaker 4: we all remember that. I guess that's the one that's
31:42
Speaker 4: sticking in our brains. The that's the thank you, thank
31:45
Speaker 4: you Cleveland game. And I you know, I the thing
31:49
Speaker 4: about uh, you know Washington there. I mean, I'm not
31:54
Speaker 4: sure Washington is the Washington two years ago either, you know,
31:58
Speaker 4: I think they're different, but.
32:00
Speaker 1: They're probably not the Washington of last year either, at
32:03
Speaker 1: won five games. It's probably somewhere in between.
32:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know right, And that that's why I think,
32:09
Speaker 4: to me, the uh, I'm gonna stick with my I'm
32:13
Speaker 4: gonna stick with December being the toughest because you know,
32:19
Speaker 4: really Madrid, you know, going to Madrid and then going
32:22
Speaker 4: to Washington such question marks.
32:25
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's you know, how are they
32:27
Speaker 3: going to react going over there? They have?
32:30
Speaker 4: None of these guys have but really I don't think
32:31
Speaker 4: any of the I mean not even Orlando Brown has
32:34
Speaker 4: played an international game. To me, that's interesting to me
32:36
Speaker 4: is how these guys are going to bounce back from that,
32:39
Speaker 4: because you know, the last time they played over there,
32:42
Speaker 4: nobody's left from that team.
32:44
Speaker 3: That was twenty nineteen. You know, Jacks been there.
32:47
Speaker 4: This is Zak's fourth international trip. He knows how to
32:49
Speaker 4: handle it. But like they were even talking about it
32:52
Speaker 4: today a little bit in the locker room, like you know,
32:55
Speaker 4: it's that's it's pretty much spam. You know, they you know,
32:59
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to take crash course a little bit
33:01
Speaker 4: in Spanish, because that's you know, that's what they're that's
33:05
Speaker 4: I guess. You know they've talked to some of the
33:06
Speaker 4: guys have gone over to Spain. Great trip, great city,
33:10
Speaker 4: and uh just you know, I guess bone up on
33:15
Speaker 4: your Spanish, which which would which would make sense?
33:20
Speaker 1: Let me end with this thought. You reference the Bengals
33:22
Speaker 1: having the third easiest schedule on paper that is based
33:26
Speaker 1: on Vegas preseason win loss projections. But no matter what
33:32
Speaker 1: metric you use, no matter what chart you use, the
33:35
Speaker 1: Bengals come up as one of the easiest schedules in
33:37
Speaker 1: the NFL going into the season. Then I look at
33:40
Speaker 1: this schedule and to me, it looks difficult. And I
33:44
Speaker 1: say it for this reason. I don't see any stretches,
33:48
Speaker 1: Like even the teams that you expect to be weak
33:51
Speaker 1: seem to be sandwiched between tough games. So for example,
33:55
Speaker 1: Tennessee had the worst record last year of anybody. They
33:59
Speaker 1: play three fourteen. It's a home game. So if there's
34:02
Speaker 1: a game on the schedule that you say, well that's
34:04
Speaker 1: a win, that would be it, Well, it comes in
34:08
Speaker 1: between a road game at Baltimore and the Madrid game.
34:12
Speaker 1: So I don't really see a stretch on this schedule
34:16
Speaker 1: where I'm like, Okay, they're going to run together four
34:19
Speaker 1: Street wins during that period. It seems like the NFL
34:22
Speaker 1: has done a good job of kind of sticking the
34:25
Speaker 1: easiest looking games in the middle of some hard ones.
34:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that road game in Baltimore's in the day,
34:32
Speaker 4: so they can win down there in the day.
34:34
Speaker 3: So right when it's someone when the sunshine. The last
34:37
Speaker 3: time they were there in the sunshine, they put up
34:41
Speaker 3: forty one on them, I think so. But no, really,
34:44
Speaker 3: I mean I I that's right.
34:46
Speaker 4: That's why I look to me when I looked at
34:48
Speaker 4: the first thing that because usually I've looked at him
34:51
Speaker 4: the last couple of years and I've said, you know,
34:53
Speaker 4: they got a pretty good December, you know, a lot
34:56
Speaker 4: of you know, you got usually three home games, you know,
35:00
Speaker 4: And but I looked at it this trip and I'm thinking, wow,
35:02
Speaker 4: you know that India at Carolina, Kansas City at home,
35:06
Speaker 4: you know, and it's uh, you know, it's you know,
35:11
Speaker 4: and both you know, Baltimore and Cleveland and whatever easy
35:13
Speaker 4: no matter where you play, you know, I mean, you
35:14
Speaker 4: can never you know, everybody says.
35:16
Speaker 3: We're in Cleveland this Cleveland.
35:17
Speaker 4: That yeah, but they're in the you know, I hate
35:19
Speaker 4: to use a cliche, but you know every division game
35:22
Speaker 4: is is tight because they know each other so well.
35:25
Speaker 3: So you get you know, two of those thrown in.
35:27
Speaker 4: There with you know, Carolina or in Indian Uh, I
35:31
Speaker 4: don't know, you know, I mean, you know, it's it's
35:34
Speaker 4: to me, it's the most daunting December I've seen. I
35:37
Speaker 4: mean a couple you know, I think maybe, uh maybe
35:40
Speaker 4: in this decade, maybe.
35:42
Speaker 1: We shall see. It's certainly fun when we have it
35:45
Speaker 1: on paper and begin trying to figure out, all right,
35:48
Speaker 1: what's that going to look like. We've got that now
35:51
Speaker 1: Bengals fans do too, so I appreciate you joining me
35:54
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Best of luck with the Jack.
35:57
Speaker 1: I am sorry I will not be able to play
35:59
Speaker 1: in it this year, but I know it's going to
36:01
Speaker 1: be arousing success. And kudos to you on the hard
36:04
Speaker 1: work that you put into that event.
36:06
Speaker 4: Thank you, Hordy, Thank you for all your good work
36:08
Speaker 4: with getting the word out on that can't can't thank
36:10
Speaker 4: you enough. We got a spot safe for you next year.
36:14
Speaker 4: We might create the Tony c Comeback Player of the
36:16
Speaker 4: Year for you for that.
36:17
Speaker 1: One I'll put EyeBlack on one eye so I can
36:21
Speaker 1: look like your famous sports illustrated cover.
36:24
Speaker 3: That that sounds going to be big.
36:27
Speaker 4: Your biggest fans are going to be there, Carry and Kerry,
36:30
Speaker 4: Kerry Hobson and her husband.
36:31
Speaker 3: He's gonna be he's gonna be playing with lamp. So
36:34
Speaker 3: that will be uh, that'll be a good go too. Well.
36:38
Speaker 1: I look forward to hearing all about it. Thanks again
36:40
Speaker 1: for joining me on the pod. Look forward to seeing
36:42
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