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Today’s Popcorn Moment: The white liberal women Lindsay Clancy jurors speak out · Tony Katz | Popcorn Moment

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  Speaker 1: see if he's available to give us some updates on
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  Speaker 1: what's going down there on the scene. But one of
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  Speaker 1: the big stories that came out was that the jurors
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  Speaker 1: in the Lindsay Clancy case are now speaking out. The
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  Speaker 1: jurors in the Lindsay Clancy case are not doing a
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  Speaker 1: great job of telling the story of Regarding women. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm clear about a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things. First, my issue is not with women. My
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  Speaker 1: issue is with liberal white women. My issue is with
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  Speaker 1: whether or not we're willing to accept the fact that
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  Speaker 1: this woman, Lindsay Clancy, murdered her three children.
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  Speaker 2: She did.
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  Speaker 1: She murdered her three kids, one at a time. She
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  Speaker 1: strangled them. Why in the world would anyone think, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is something that we really just need to understand.
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  Speaker 1: The question is about whether or not she has sanity.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say to you, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: she has sanity, but it's very clear based on reporting
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  Speaker 1: that this was some premeditated stuff. This brings us to
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  Speaker 1: the jurors, and I'm going to share with you some
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  Speaker 1: of what they said. In interviews, they're allowed to speak. Afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: they're allowed to speak. And this was some of their
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  Speaker 1: commentary and why this matters so very, very much.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 3: Listen.
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  Speaker 4: Ronnie talked a lot about how managing those deliberations was
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  Speaker 4: harder than her work as a fifth grade teacher. And
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  Speaker 4: they confirmed there was one holdout juror. I asked them
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  Speaker 4: what they thought of him being described by the prosecution
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  Speaker 4: as a rogue juror. Here's what they said.
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  Speaker 5: He was very arrogant. He really did not take anything
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  Speaker 5: that anybody said. The nurses, he tried to ask a
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  Speaker 5: question about the medications, and we went back to the
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  Speaker 5: report from South Shore Hospital. We had the toxicology report.
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  Speaker 5: We could see exactly the amounts. The nurses in the
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  Speaker 5: room spoke to that and talked to that.
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  Speaker 4: There were nurses on the jury.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And they spoke to that specific thing. That was a
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  Speaker 5: question that he had. And he just completely disregarded the
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  Speaker 5: information that they gave him.
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  Speaker 1: So let's stop for a moment. The jurist here is
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  Speaker 1: upset with the male juror. The juror here, not the jurist.
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  Speaker 1: The juror here is upset with the male juror for
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  Speaker 1: disregarding what the other jurors said who happened to be nurses.
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  Speaker 1: Why were nurses who were on the jury giving their
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  Speaker 1: medical opinion to what the testimony is? The testimony is
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  Speaker 1: the testimony. That's what you're supposed to be basing things on,
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  Speaker 1: not what some juror says. Are you telling me that
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  Speaker 1: there were nurses on the juror who tainted the jury?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's what she's admitting to. At that moment, the
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  Speaker 1: argument that I have been making about liberal white women
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  Speaker 1: Or liberal women, which some people could extrapolate out to women,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to get heat for it. But my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell is this? Take it out of that
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  Speaker 1: realm for just a moment. What men were swayed by this?
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  Speaker 1: What anyone was swayed by this? This is a jury
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  Speaker 1: that didn't listen to instructions. That's what I'm hearing. The
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  Speaker 1: nurses explained what the testimony meant. No, that was their interpretation.
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  Speaker 1: The testimony is the testimony. Why didn't you listen to
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  Speaker 1: the nurses on the jury? What's wrong with you? Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about what's right with him.
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  Speaker 2: I would not have.
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  Speaker 1: Listened to the testimony or the explanation from the nurses
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  Speaker 1: on the jury either. The testimony is the testimony. This
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  Speaker 1: is to me a signal, like it is to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, that this jury is very messed up.
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  Speaker 1: Here's another juror.
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  Speaker 3: He had reasonable doubt. He admitted he had reasonable doubt
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  Speaker 3: after we watched that video of the interview. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's when it was. He admitted he had reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 3: And I started filling out the forms. I was so excited.
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  Speaker 3: I actually, there were three forms I had to fill out.
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  Speaker 3: And I started filling them out. I wrote my signature
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  Speaker 3: on each one. And then he said, but I'm still
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  Speaker 3: not going to say that she's not guilty by reason
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  Speaker 3: of insanity.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if rogue is the right word, Sue,
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  Speaker 2: but every one of us in the hours of frustration
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  Speaker 2: would get up and walk the room because you just
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  Speaker 2: couldn't sit anymore and would all go to the cart
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  Speaker 2: with the exhibits. He, I think, got up to the
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  Speaker 2: cart once very briefly and went back to his seat.
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  Speaker 2: He would not.
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  Speaker 2: He would not interact with us and try to understand.
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  Speaker 2: We read to him on numerous occasions the definition of
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  Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt from Judge Sullivan's instruction. He actually said
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  Speaker 2: one day in the end, well, why don't we have
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  Speaker 2: the judge come in and read it again? And we
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  Speaker 2: were like, no, we have it in front of us.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need that. And we would highlight it. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so-and-so, this is the definition of a reason
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  Speaker 2: to vote. But he had the hardest time getting over
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  Speaker 2: the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.
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  Speaker 1: He had the hardest time getting over that fact?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I would.
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  Speaker 3: Argue that.
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  Speaker 1: There can be more to this case than you and
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  Speaker 1: I know. And I could argue that there was frustration
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  Speaker 1: in the jury room. But I believe that this is admission.
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  Speaker 1: Admission that they just wanted to go home. And that's
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  Speaker 1: never a thing you want for your jury. And an
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  Speaker 1: admission that the jurors themselves were tainted by other jurors.
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  Speaker 1: The nurses explained it. Why didn't you accept it? I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have accepted it either. Good on him. That's my take. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this guy may end up being the biggest lowlife ever.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But from this interview, from the local
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  Speaker 1: affiliate there, they were tainted by other jurors. Mistrial seems
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  Speaker 1: to be more than appropriate here. And I only hope
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  Speaker 1: that the prosecution actually covenants and aggressively maybe with different
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors because we should talk about their failures go at
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  Speaker 1: this case again one man's take