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Sharri | 31 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks, James. Good evening. Tonight, Pauline Hanson has accused Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albanese of normalising and encouraging political incitements to
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Speaker 1: violence against her. She says he and his treasurer have
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Speaker 1: crossed a line and need to tone down their temperature
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Speaker 1: on their language. They're serious allegations and Albanese has rejected them,
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Speaker 1: but it was triggered by the language he used on
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Speaker 1: the weekend when he described her politics as dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Across the world, hard right populists are on the march,
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Speaker 2: peddling politics that is dangerous, divisive and downright dishonest. We
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Speaker 2: simply must defeat them. We owe it to history. We
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Speaker 2: owe it to the nation.
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Speaker 1: Firstly, his comments are insulting to voters because there's now
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Speaker 1: a proportion of Labor voters who've moved over to One Nation.
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Speaker 1: The primary vote of 30% for Pauline is certainly not
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Speaker 1: all down to former coalition supporters. Sir Albanese is vilifying Hanson, yes,
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Speaker 1: but in doing so, he's telling voters that they've been tricked. Now,
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Speaker 1: Pauline argues this language risks putting her personal safety at risk.
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Speaker 1: She says words have consequences. That is how political violence
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Speaker 1: is incited. It's a point she reinforced today.
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Speaker 3: He's never called anyone else out as being dangerous, you know, and,
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Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people are in fear of
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Speaker 3: what they don't understand and they've been misled about the
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Speaker 3: truth about One Nation. It's happening constantly all the time
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Speaker 3: in the schools and universities and the incitement that it's
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Speaker 3: happening is through our educational system and our Prime Minister,
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Speaker 3: who should know better than that.
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Speaker 1: And she references the case of renowned British personality Anne Whittacombe,
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Speaker 1: who was murdered in her home. Pauline says this should
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Speaker 1: be warning enough about the dangers of political rhetoric. But
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Speaker 1: there are other cases too. Charlie Kirk, of course, not
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Speaker 1: to mention the numerous assassination attempts on President Donald Trump. Now,
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Speaker 1: security for Pauline is already intense. She requires personal protection,
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Speaker 1: as I've spoken about before. She's fighting for what she
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Speaker 1: believes is a better nation. She's fighting against radical Islam
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Speaker 1: and And because of this, she's at great risk. It's
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Speaker 1: a risk that was never only going to be limited
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Speaker 1: to the Jews. And not enough people have understood this.
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Speaker 1: Bondi has shown us how dangerous Australia can be. And
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Speaker 1: right now, it doesn't feel like we're the lucky country
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Speaker 1: or even a completely safe country anymore. But Albanese's remarks
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Speaker 1: come because he's increasingly threatened by One Nation. particularly after
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Speaker 1: its win on Saturday in Secret Harbour. The loss of
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Speaker 1: a safe Labor seat was finally a wake-up call. Now,
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Speaker 1: the Secret Harbour result in its a seat in WA,
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Speaker 1: a state seat. It shows that even in a very
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Speaker 1: popular Labor state like WA, where Roger Cook is well-liked,
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Speaker 1: the support for One Nation is significant. This isn't good
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Speaker 1: news for either of the major parties. And here's how
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Speaker 1: the primary votes fell. One Nation gained 30% to take
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Speaker 1: the seat on a thumping 39%. And Labor and the
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Speaker 1: Liberals well behind. The stunning declaration from the One Nation
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Speaker 1: candidate on the night has ice running down the spines
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Speaker 1: of senior political figures.
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Speaker 4: There are no safe Labor seats in this state or
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Speaker 4: in this country anymore.
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Speaker 5: CHEERING AND APPLAUSE.
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Speaker 1: And the Australian's cartoonist, John Spooner, portrayed that very sentiment
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Speaker 1: in this cartoon, where he said, that's the only safe
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Speaker 1: Labor seat. Pauline Hanson has also shifted her language. Instead
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Speaker 1: of saying she's taking on the Albanese government, she's now
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Speaker 1: saying she's taking on the political establishment. Now, this was
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Speaker 1: the statement that she released. She said, we're not splitting
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Speaker 1: the conservative vote. We're taking on the political establishment. Now,
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Speaker 1: as I explained last week, the seat of Secret Harbour
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Speaker 1: covers similar territory to Andrew Hastie's federal seat of Canning. Now,
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Speaker 1: Hastie is worried, perhaps not as much as the Liberals
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Speaker 1: were in this state election. But One Nation has had
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Speaker 1: him personally in their sights for a long time. This
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Speaker 1: is partly because major One Nation donor Gina Reinhart reportedly
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Speaker 1: dislikes Hastie on account of his decision to testify against
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Speaker 1: Ben Robert Smith. There are reasons behind the rise of
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Speaker 1: One Nation that are specific to Australia. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: happened after Bondi. We know that in the first news
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Speaker 1: poll of this year was when One Nation's primary vote
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Speaker 1: really soared. But this isn't only because of the terror
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Speaker 1: attack at Australia's most famous beach. It's also because the
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Speaker 1: attack exposed Albanese's weakness as a political leader. His own
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Speaker 1: vulnerability and ineptitude in responding to the attack is something
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Speaker 1: that even Labor voters can't unsee. But this is also
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Speaker 1: part of a global trend. There's a wave of populism
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Speaker 1: the world over. And it's in large part in reaction
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Speaker 1: to the rise of Islamic extremism we've seen that's been
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Speaker 1: driven by changing demographics in the West. And understanding this
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Speaker 1: is essential for the major parties if they want to
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Speaker 1: address the core issue rather than simply escalating their rhetoric
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Speaker 1: against Pauline Hanson. Now, Arabic comedian Bassem Youssef was set
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Speaker 1: to arrive in Australia this week for a tour. He's
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Speaker 1: internationally acclaimed, but his views are extreme, unhinged and even deranged.
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Speaker 1: He claims, for example, that 9-11 was a false flag
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Speaker 1: operation and that Israel was behind the Bondi terror attack.
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Speaker 1: Here he was on Candace Owens' podcast saying these very
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Speaker 1: comments and even attacking Bondi victim Arsene Ostrowski, claiming that
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Speaker 1: he'd faked his injuries.
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Speaker 6: One month after 9-11, which is the biggest full-flag operation,
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Speaker 6: and of course we have the Bondi incident, the Bondi attack,
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Speaker 6: I think I gave pictures to one of your producers,
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Speaker 6: like Arsene Ostrowski, who's like one of those trolls on Twitter.
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Speaker 6: He happened to be on October 7th, a survivor October 7th.
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Speaker 7: And then he.
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Speaker 6: Posts his picture, a selfie, while he's on the floor
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Speaker 6: and he has blood all over him. Yeah, that's the picture. Okay,
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Speaker 6: which is obviously looks fake. And then the best picture
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Speaker 6: is the next picture when he's all bandaged.
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Speaker 7: Can we get, yeah.
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Speaker 6: You see, there's not a single point, like drop of
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Speaker 6: blood on the bandage. And there's no self-respecting medic that
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Speaker 6: will actually leave a face like this drenched in blood.
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Speaker 6: They will have to clean it first. This is how,
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Speaker 6: how can you believe a country that lies 24-7 like this?
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Speaker 6: How can we take anything that they say for face value?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's scary. It is actually scary.
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Speaker 6: And I will say that. And it's, you know, that's
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Speaker 6: why I think for me to try to understand it,
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Speaker 6: I had to figure out what is the guiding theology here.
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Speaker 1: So as you just heard there, Bassem Youssef is claiming
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Speaker 1: Arsenal's Tchaikovsky's injuries were fake. And as supposed proof, as
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Speaker 1: you heard, he claims that no self-respecting medic would bandage
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Speaker 1: a face like that. Well, that's because there were lifeguards
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Speaker 1: and civilians doing whatever they could to give medical treatment.
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Speaker 1: It took a very long time for the paramedics to arrive.
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Speaker 1: And even when they did, it took a long time
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Speaker 1: to treat all 55 people who'd been shot. Now, just
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Speaker 1: as a reminder, here was arson on the night of
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Speaker 1: the attack on News 24.
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Speaker 7: We came here only two weeks ago to.
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Speaker 8: Work with a Jewish community to fight antisemitism, to fight
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Speaker 8: this bloodthirsty, ravaging hatred.
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Speaker 7: That's why you're here. That's why I'm here.
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Speaker 1: A bullet famously scraped Arsene's skull. He's lucky to be alive,
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Speaker 1: as he told me on the very day he finally
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Speaker 1: got out of hospital. The doctor said, had the bullet been, what,
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Speaker 1: half a.
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Speaker 7: Centimetre, Millimetres away from life and death. The doctors said
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Speaker 7: it was a miracle.
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Speaker 1: Never mind that Arsene spent days in hospital. Never mind
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Speaker 1: that the gunman allegedly had Islamic State flags in their car.
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Speaker 1: Bassem Youssef claims it's all a false flag operation. And
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Speaker 1: as I said, this guy was about to do a
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Speaker 1: major speaking circuit in Australia. A local rabbi, Osher Feldman,
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Speaker 1: raised this with Allegra Spender last week, who took up
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Speaker 1: the case with Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister. Now,
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Speaker 1: Allegra Spender told us today, I've spoken directly to the
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Speaker 1: minister on this and made it clear that I don't
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Speaker 1: believe Bassem Youssef should ever be given a visa to Australia,
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Speaker 1: given his record of divisive anti-Semitic comments and particularly his
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Speaker 1: offensive suggestion that the Bondi terror attack might be a
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Speaker 1: false flag. Youssef's visa was not granted. and he's had
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Speaker 1: to postpone his gigs. However, Tony Burke's office told me
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Speaker 1: today that the Home Affairs Department has requested additional information
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Speaker 1: from him and that they cannot prejudge the final visa decision.
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Speaker 1: But for now, his speaking tour is off, is not
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Speaker 1: coming this week as planned. We don't know what the
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Speaker 1: final decision will be. Now, this wishy-washy position is typical.
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Speaker 1: It seems to me that perhaps Tony Burke doesn't want
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Speaker 1: to inflame or upset the Muslim community in his electorate,
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Speaker 1: but he can't in all good conscience give Yusuf a visa.
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Speaker 1: In the face of this never-ending fecklessness, it is refreshing
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Speaker 1: to see common sense from one senior figure in the judiciary,
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Speaker 1: Justice Michael Lee. He did an interview with Joe Astin's
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Speaker 1: Rampart podcast and he made these comments about why he's
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Speaker 1: speaking out on anti-Semitism.
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Speaker 9: I decided that I would speak in relation to that
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Speaker 9: because it's something I felt very deeply about and it's
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Speaker 9: something which I found I found an imperative to speak about.
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Speaker 9: So has Australian anti-Semitism arrived like Hemingway's immortal line in
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Speaker 9: The Sun Also Rises, gradually and then suddenly? I don't
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Speaker 9: think so. I think, interestingly, in the speech that I
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Speaker 9: gave where I talked about this, I actually quoted Penny's
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Speaker 9: grandfather was quite a prominent politician, a friend of Jack Lang's,
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Speaker 9: and he gave a speech just after the war about
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Speaker 9: anti-Semitism in Australia. And in fact, I quoted his words
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Speaker 9: in the speech that I gave. I think, I mean,
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Speaker 9: it manifests itself in different ways and it's manifested itself
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Speaker 9: in particular ways and in a more, I find, disturbing
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Speaker 9: way over the course of the last few years. it's
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Speaker 9: always been there. Its manifestation, though, is obviously enough different
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Speaker 9: and far more serious.
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Speaker 1: The cowardice and moral frailty displayed by so many with
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Speaker 1: a public profile only make his comments more impressive. A
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Speaker 1: number of senior figures in the Jewish community had put
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Speaker 1: Michael Lee's name forward to the Prime Minister as the
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Speaker 1: strongest candidate to lead the Royal Commission. And I would
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Speaker 1: venture to suggest that had he been appointed, we might
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Speaker 1: have seen a far more robust, inquisitorial, effective and no
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Speaker 1: doubt successful Royal Commission. OK, I'll come back to all
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Speaker 1: of that in a moment. But now let's get the
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Speaker 1: latest on Nepal, where over 900 people have been killed
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Speaker 1: and 4000 people, sadly, including 43 Australians, are still missing.
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Speaker 1: And tragic news this evening that the first Australian, 37-year-old
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Speaker 1: Mollymook local Michael Keats, has been confirmed dead. His heartbroken
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Speaker 1: partner confirming the awful news. This is devastating, but apparently
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Speaker 1: not enough to stop climate activists from using the disaster
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Speaker 1: to push their ideological bandwagon. Take Greens leader Larissa Waters,
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Speaker 1: who said on X, these scenes are becoming too familiar...
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Speaker 1: as we witness the climate crisis in real time. And
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Speaker 1: TLNP Monique Ryan wrote, we have to admit that this
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Speaker 1: is an unnatural disaster directly caused by climate change. Joining
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Speaker 1: me now is former Speaker of the House, Bronwyn Bishop,
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Speaker 1: and former Labor MP Michael Damby. Great to have you both.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Bronwyn, scientists have yet to determine, geologists too,
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Speaker 1: the exact reason for this disaster, but apparently these green
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Speaker 1: left figures already know.
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Speaker 10: What would you expect? I mean, they are the vile
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Speaker 10: Green Party. To come out and to use what we're...
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Speaker 10: People are trying to help people get over their grief,
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Speaker 10: to try and find people, survival, and they can't wait
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Speaker 10: to come out and make a political point. They are
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Speaker 10: truly a vile party. And nothing they say should be
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Speaker 10: listened to at all. This is a very volatile part
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Speaker 10: of the world, geographically. And it can be all sorts
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Speaker 10: of reasons why this has happened. But I do notice that...
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Speaker 10: Larissa didn't bother to mention China, their next-door neighbour, who
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Speaker 10: might have had responsibility if it was all about climate change.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it's a good point, of course. Michael Danby, look,
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Speaker 1: landslides are very common in Nepal, extremely common, and have
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Speaker 1: been for a long period of time. Anyway, it's got
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Speaker 1: to do with the tectonic plates, doesn't it, not climate change?
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Speaker 11: Well, it's even worse than that.
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Speaker 5: The climate in.
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Speaker 11: the Tibetan plateau has risen by twice the average, but
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Speaker 11: that's because of the incredibly egregious behaviour of Chinese engineering,
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Speaker 11: of building dams and all kinds of facilities drilling down
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Speaker 11: to find temperatures that can't be sustained in that part
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Speaker 11: of the world. And our dear Tibetan friends have agency
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Speaker 11: in all of this, so we should Larissa Waters would
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Speaker 11: listen to them, or our dear ABC, which is saying
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Speaker 11: it's only climate change as well. The Chinese government has
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Speaker 11: control of Tibet and its ruthless ecological exploitation of this
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Speaker 11: is partially responsible. I even heard Sharian Bronwyn, a Chinese
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Speaker 11: Colonel Zhao, threaten on Indian television that he was going
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Speaker 11: to use the waters of Tibet as flowing into the
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Speaker 11: Indus Valley to pressure India geopolitically.
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Speaker 1: Disgraceful. It's disgraceful. And Michael, of course, you have, for
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Speaker 1: as long as I've known you, you've been a firm
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Speaker 1: friend of the Tibetans. I remember, gosh, I don't know, 15,
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Speaker 1: 20 years ago, walking into your office in Parliament House
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Speaker 1: and seeing all the beautiful artefacts and memorabilia that you
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Speaker 1: had there. All right, let's get back to this feud
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Speaker 1: between Pauline Hanson and Albanese. Bronwyn, do you agree with
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Speaker 1: Pauline that Albanese's language went too far?
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Speaker 10: Yes, I do.
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Speaker 5: She's right.
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Speaker 10: And the fact of the matter is that this is
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Speaker 10: the man who comes out when he wishes to and says, oh,
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Speaker 10: tone down the temperature. That's when something's getting difficult for him.
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Speaker 10: But the fact of the matter is that you cannot
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Speaker 10: believe a word this man says. I heard people on
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Speaker 10: Talkback Radio this morning talking about his comments that he
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Speaker 10: made he should hold a mirror up to his own
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Speaker 10: face because that is what he's describing himself. And they're right.
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Speaker 10: And by preaching this hatred that's coming out of he
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Speaker 10: and his kickback little person who stands next to him,
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Speaker 10: otherwise known as the treasurer, who I like to call
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Speaker 10: the snake trauma, he, I think, we're seeing Australia in
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Speaker 10: dreadful peril because I don't think either of them are
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Speaker 10: capable of knowing what damage they've done I don't think
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Speaker 10: they knew what was in their so-called great changes in
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Speaker 10: their tax changes. I don't think they know how to
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Speaker 10: fix it. I think we're in deep trouble. And hence
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Speaker 10: he comes out with this sort of attack because Pauline
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Speaker 10: Hanson is now a legitimate player.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she is.
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Speaker 10: And he can't handle it.
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Speaker 1: She is indeed. I mean, the primary of Labor and
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Speaker 1: One Nation, you know, it goes up and down, but
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Speaker 1: it's around the same, it's both sitting on around 30%. Michael,
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Speaker 1: I mean, these are your former colleagues, of course, but
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Speaker 1: isn't there hypocrisy in, you know, as Bronwyn said, Albanese
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Speaker 1: constantly demands rhetoric be toned down when it's directed at him,
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Speaker 1: when it's his opponents?
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Speaker 11: From a practical point of view, Shari, doesn't he remember
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Speaker 11: what happened to Hillary Clinton.
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Speaker 5: when.
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Speaker 11: She insulted all of the truck drivers and rural people
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Speaker 11: as deplorables. You cannot abuse the voters. That might be 35%
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Speaker 11: of the people in some polls voting for One Nation.
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Speaker 11: Argue the issues, behave like a civilised person, act like
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Speaker 11: a political leader and stop denigrating people because their views
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Speaker 11: disagree with yours. A lot of normal people, including me,
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Speaker 11: who supported high immigration in the past, think that it
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Speaker 11: is at too high a level at the moment. And therefore,
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Speaker 11: you ought to address those issues. You can't call everyone
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Speaker 11: a redneck because they have a different.
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Speaker 5: Policy view from you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's exactly right. And he's supporting, as I
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Speaker 1: said earlier, Labor voters because so many.
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Speaker 7: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he just won a Labor seat. So many
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Speaker 1: Labor voters have moved across to One Nation. It's the reality.
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Speaker 1: They're not... You know, it's not... Clearly, it's not attracting
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Speaker 1: conservative voters. It's attracting working Australians as well. All right,
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Speaker 1: let's turn to the housing market, which is in serious crisis.
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Speaker 1: The latest data from ASIC revealing that over 1,500 construction
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Speaker 1: companies have collapsed in the last financial year. Now, according
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Speaker 1: to the Albanese government plan, New South Wales is supposed
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Speaker 1: to deliver 377,000 new homes by June 2029, but now
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Speaker 1: that's been pushed back until March 2032. Bronwyn, if it
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Speaker 1: ever happens, if these homes are ever built.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's looking less so like it, isn't it? In fact,
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Speaker 10: since 2024, 8,000 construction firms have gone and 3,500 of
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Speaker 10: those were in New South Wales. That's how bad it is.
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Speaker 10: And when you look at a figure that says something
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Speaker 10: like 40% of the cost of a new build are
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Speaker 10: taxes and charges from government, what hope have we got
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Speaker 10: of making things a reasonable price for people to buy in?
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Speaker 10: And the other thing we don't look at either is
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Speaker 10: the fact that over many decades, it's been one third renting,
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Speaker 10: one third with a mortgage, one third having paid it off.
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Speaker 10: That remains pretty constant. It varies a little bit. But
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Speaker 10: at the end of the day, we have to make
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Speaker 10: sure that that there is enough rental accommodation, that there
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Speaker 10: is enough people in the lending business who are going
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Speaker 10: to lend to people, and the people who have paid
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Speaker 10: it off are basically... lending to the next generation via
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Speaker 10: the bank of mum and dad. So what they have
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Speaker 10: done is to wreck the whole system without understanding, I
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Speaker 10: don't think, what was in their own legislation.
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Speaker 1: It's extraordinary. And then at the same time, Michael, you know,
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Speaker 1: we read in the Fin Review, and I know everyone's
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Speaker 1: been talking about it today because it is such an
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Speaker 1: extraordinary figure, that the Albanese government is hiring 29 public
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Speaker 1: servants a day, that this is the largest recruitment drive
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Speaker 1: this century, headcount approaching 200,000.
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Speaker 11: Well, you know, it's the old Paul Keating, Peter Walsh solution. Albo,
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Speaker 11: get your own house in order. Cut federal government expenditure.
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Speaker 7: Be responsible.
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Speaker 11: Stop creating government pressure on finances that they force up
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Speaker 11: interest rates. We may have another interest rate rise before
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Speaker 11: the end of the year, Shari.
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Speaker 7: That would be.
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Speaker 11: Terrible for people trying to get into the market. And
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Speaker 11: commercial property, I'm advised, has decreased by 30% since the budget.
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Speaker 7: In value.
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Speaker 11: Commercial property, that's not residential property yet, but that's on.
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Speaker 5: The way too.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Bronwyn, something needs to be done to tackle
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Speaker 1: the public service, doesn't it?
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Speaker 7: Well, yes, it does.
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Speaker 10: The best suggestion I've heard is we get rid of
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Speaker 10: all that climate change departments and all the hangers on
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Speaker 10: and start looking at giving us reliable power and building
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Speaker 10: some more coal-fired power stations because we cannot go on
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Speaker 10: the way we are. We hear political people say we've
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Speaker 10: got to keep our power stations going longer. That can
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Speaker 10: only go on for so long. We're going to need
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Speaker 10: coal-fired power in this country at least for the next
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Speaker 10: 20 years.
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Speaker 11: We're going to need it, especially if we have those
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Speaker 11: data centres, Shari and Bronwyn.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 7: They're going to need reliable power.
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Speaker 11: And I don't know about coal-powered, but at least.
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Speaker 11: You can't rely on renewables to fire up data centres
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Speaker 11: that are consuming vast amounts of power. They can't turn
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Speaker 11: it off because the wind isn't blowing.
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Speaker 10: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 7: Exactly.
22:27
Speaker 1: I mean, the data centres, Michael's 100% right. As we
22:30
Speaker 1: embrace AI more and more, that is going to be
22:33
Speaker 1: a major....
22:35
Speaker 10: But we haven't got enough spare gas to do the
22:37
Speaker 10: whole job.
22:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't have enough for the needs at the moment.
22:40
Speaker 12: Exactly.
22:40
Speaker 1: Bronwyn Bishop? Michael Danby, great to see you both. Thank you. Well,
22:45
Speaker 1: let's return to the results of One Nation winning this
22:48
Speaker 1: safe Labor seat of Secret Harbour over the weekend. Now,
22:50
Speaker 1: the Liberals only managed to gain 17.3% of the vote.
22:54
Speaker 1: This is a major 7.7% swing against the party. Now,
22:59
Speaker 1: some are blaming this partly on the state Liberals directing
23:02
Speaker 1: preferences to One Nation. And there are federal figures who
23:06
Speaker 1: are criticising this strategy. But opposition leader in WA, Basil Zempler,
23:10
Speaker 1: says One Nation has changed the game. And he joins
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Speaker 1: me now live from Perth. Basil, great to have you
23:16
Speaker 1: on the show again. This is a disappointing result for
23:20
Speaker 1: you and for the Liberals.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's always disappointing when you see your share of
23:25
Speaker 13: the primary vote drop and we absolutely accept we can
23:28
Speaker 13: do better, we need to do better and we continue
23:32
Speaker 13: to look for ways to resonate with those outer metropolitan
23:36
Speaker 13: communities in Perth. But I do have to say this
23:39
Speaker 13: is a seat that has never been held by the
23:42
Speaker 13: Liberal Party and It is a seat that is not
23:45
Speaker 13: or previously was not a strong Labor seat, but a
23:48
Speaker 13: very strong Labor seat. And they lost it off the
23:53
Speaker 13: back of a 22 percent swing away from them. So
23:57
Speaker 13: we were realistic going into this contest. And I am
24:01
Speaker 13: on the record as having said the ultimate victory for
24:05
Speaker 13: us would have been for our candidate to join us
24:07
Speaker 13: in Parliament next week. But it is still a victory
24:11
Speaker 13: that Labor have lost this seat for all of those
24:14
Speaker 13: people frustrated by 10 years of this Labor government here
24:18
Speaker 13: in Western Australia and their inability or inconsistency when it
24:22
Speaker 13: comes to listening and delivering for the people of Western Australia.
24:25
Speaker 13: And I don't resile from that.
24:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that line where you said that, you know,
24:30
Speaker 1: any Labor loss would be a win for the Liberals.
24:32
Speaker 1: I mean, your critics are suggesting that this sent the
24:35
Speaker 1: wrong message to voters, that it was OK to support
24:38
Speaker 1: One Nation. But, I mean, you've repeated those comments now,
24:41
Speaker 1: so you clearly don't regret them.
24:45
Speaker 13: No, we obviously went into this eyes wide open and
24:50
Speaker 13: also very mindful of the very significant rise in popularity
24:54
Speaker 13: for One Nation, not just here in Western Australia, but
24:57
Speaker 13: obviously what we're seeing right around the country. And in
25:00
Speaker 13: a seat that we have never held, a seat that
25:03
Speaker 13: we've not even ever done well in, even in our
25:05
Speaker 13: high watermark of 2013, when Colin Barnett won a resounding
25:10
Speaker 13: state election victory, Labor still won that seat back in 2013,
25:15
Speaker 13: on primaries alone. So it's not our turf, not our area.
25:19
Speaker 13: It'd be like Sydney, if you like, Tanya Plibersek's seat
25:22
Speaker 13: at a national level and the Liberals or One Nation
25:26
Speaker 13: are winning that one off them.
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Speaker 1: That's the sort of seat that we're dealing with.
25:29
Speaker 13: But doesn't the Territory cross.
25:30
Speaker 1: Over with the federal seat of Canning, which Liberal Andrew
25:33
Speaker 1: Hastie holds in a... I mean, he's told me a
25:35
Speaker 1: bit about his seat before. I haven't been there myself.
25:38
Speaker 1: But he says there's a lot of veterans there, you know,
25:41
Speaker 1: a lot of people who support the defence. He said
25:46
Speaker 1: it's hardworking Australians. There is a lot of conservative voters there.
25:50
Speaker 5: Yeah.
25:51
Speaker 13: And the reality is, Shari, that the current landscape, the
25:54
Speaker 13: current political landscape has changed quite dramatically, not only in
25:59
Speaker 13: Western Australia, obviously, but right around Australia in the last
26:03
Speaker 13: six or seven months. There have been a real shift
26:07
Speaker 13: in the way people are thinking, much of that about
26:09
Speaker 13: frustration with the system that has been in place and
26:13
Speaker 13: certainly directed at bad Labor governments, both federally and state.
26:17
Speaker 13: The reality is the landscape has changed. And so in
26:21
Speaker 13: a changing political environment, you have to consider how it
26:25
Speaker 13: is that you are going to remain and continue to
26:28
Speaker 13: be relevant. Now, I've got to point out that One
26:31
Speaker 13: Nation won that seat. It's the first time they've won
26:33
Speaker 13: a seat in the lower house here in WA, but
26:35
Speaker 13: they would not have won it without our preferences. Our
26:38
Speaker 13: preferences played a part in the result and impacted this result.
26:42
Speaker 7: And that shouldn't be forgotten.
26:44
Speaker 1: So isn't your challenge, Basil, that, you know, when there
26:47
Speaker 1: is this strong rejection of Labor or, as you put it,
26:51
Speaker 1: a bad government, I mean, your challenge is to get
26:53
Speaker 1: the voters to back you and not One Nation?
26:58
Speaker 7: That's correct, Shari.
26:59
Speaker 13: But again, you do need to understand the electorate and
27:01
Speaker 13: these outer metropolitan seats are not seats where traditionally or
27:05
Speaker 13: typically the Liberal Party have done well. But don't be
27:09
Speaker 13: fooled into thinking that our approach in Secret Harbour would
27:13
Speaker 13: be our approach right around the state. at the next
27:16
Speaker 13: state election. And it will be a very different situation
27:20
Speaker 13: in seats that we don't currently hold, but we consider
27:24
Speaker 13: very much in play.
27:26
Speaker 1: So how would you deal with One Nation? How would
27:28
Speaker 1: you deal with One Nation in those other seats?
27:31
Speaker 13: Well, I think this needs to be and nobody should
27:33
Speaker 13: forget this. Ultimately, the common ground between One Nation and
27:38
Speaker 13: the Liberal Party, certainly here in WA, our common ground
27:41
Speaker 13: and common objective is we both want to get rid
27:45
Speaker 13: of a bad Labor government. So it makes sense that
27:49
Speaker 13: at election time, on a seat by seat basis, when
27:52
Speaker 13: it comes to determining your preferences, that we would consider
27:56
Speaker 13: if the candidate is right and the fit is right,
27:59
Speaker 13: we will preference One Nation well above Labor.
28:03
Speaker 7: That makes sense.
28:04
Speaker 13: And that is going to be, I would think, the
28:07
Speaker 13: sorts of things that we'll be considering when we come
28:10
Speaker 13: into the next election cycle.
28:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with those One Nation preferences, I suppose you'd
28:13
Speaker 1: be helping that it might elevate you to become Premier
28:17
Speaker 1: of WA if your primary vote is higher.
28:20
Speaker 12: Yeah.
28:22
Speaker 13: Yeah, and as I say, Secret Harbour is one scenario.
28:26
Speaker 13: That's not going to be the same scenario in every
28:28
Speaker 13: seat right around the state. And there will be many
28:31
Speaker 13: seats where we will consider that we can win them
28:35
Speaker 13: and if we can win them with the benefit of
28:37
Speaker 13: a preferencing partner, well, that makes sense.
28:41
Speaker 7: That's what you do.
28:42
Speaker 13: And newsflash, Shari, for everybody, that's how Labor have been
28:47
Speaker 13: getting into power for decades now with the preferences of
28:50
Speaker 13: the Greens.
28:52
Speaker 1: Basil, I mean, you personally are still committed to net zero,
28:55
Speaker 1: despite the fact that the federal party has a different
28:57
Speaker 1: policy now. Now, we saw the images of Pauline Hanson,
29:02
Speaker 1: you know, putting a nail in the coffin on net zero.
29:04
Speaker 1: So will this make you shift your position?
29:08
Speaker 13: Well, let me put it this way, Shari. I have
29:10
Speaker 13: always been committed to lower emissions. And I think most
29:13
Speaker 13: fair-minded Australians, certainly the people of Churchlands, they want to
29:17
Speaker 13: see lower emissions. And that ambition makes sense and is
29:21
Speaker 13: sensible and is an aspiration.
29:24
Speaker 1: Worth sticking to. Sorry to interrupt, but lower emissions is
29:27
Speaker 1: different to net zero. So you're telling me you'll think
29:30
Speaker 1: about abandoning your commitment to net zero?
29:33
Speaker 13: So what I'm saying is that the timetable that's in
29:35
Speaker 13: place now with this current federal government is at the
29:39
Speaker 13: moment jeopardising reliability and affordability. And reliability and affordability will
29:45
Speaker 13: always come first for me. When and if we can
29:49
Speaker 13: get to sustainable energy that keeps prices.
29:52
Speaker 1: Low and keeps power reliable. Basil, you're answering me like
29:54
Speaker 1: a politician. This is like a politician. Are you ready
29:58
Speaker 1: to do away with net zero and just aim for
30:00
Speaker 1: lower emissions?
30:02
Speaker 13: I think the aspiration is fine, Sherry, and that's what
30:04
Speaker 13: I'm saying. I think the aspiration is fine, but not
30:08
Speaker 13: on a timetable that doesn't keep the lights on and
30:12
Speaker 13: not at a timetable that sends us broke.
30:15
Speaker 12: All right.
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Speaker 1: Basil, love having you on the show again. Hope you'll
30:18
Speaker 1: come on again. Thank you so much.
30:20
Speaker 13: It's always good fun, Sherry.
30:20
Speaker 7: Thank you. Thanks.
30:22
Speaker 1: All right, coming up, the inspiring story of how a
30:25
Speaker 1: hostage who had to stage her own death has become
30:28
Speaker 1: an international music star. Her exclusive interview coming up. Plus,
30:32
Speaker 1: the Labor government treating voters like children using Ooshies to
30:36
Speaker 1: explain the housing crisis. Ray Hadley will fire up right
30:39
Speaker 1: here after the break. Welcome back. Well, Labor's tax changes
30:46
Speaker 1: have sent the housing market into freefall. But instead of
30:49
Speaker 1: doing something about it, the government has done basically the
30:52
Speaker 1: only thing it knows how to do, make social media
30:55
Speaker 1: videos with Ooshie toys nonetheless.
30:59
Speaker 14: What did these guys... and the Australian housing market have
31:02
Speaker 14: in common? Both the ushi market and the Australian housing
31:05
Speaker 14: market are dictated by supply and demand. The problem right
31:08
Speaker 14: now is that supply of ushis and supply of housing is.
31:11
Speaker 1: Not keeping pace with demand.
31:12
Speaker 14: How do we fix it? To fix the ushi crisis,
31:15
Speaker 14: Woolies has the ability to deliver ushi equilibrium, whereby ushi
31:19
Speaker 14: supply meets the relentless demand of other youths.
31:22
Speaker 1: That's pretty easy. Woolworths, the ball is in your court.
31:25
Speaker 14: For the last 15 years, housing demand outpaced housing supply.
31:29
Speaker 1: Or in other words, there's been a shortage of whooshies.
31:33
Speaker 1: And radio legend Ray Hadley joins me now. I mean, Ray,
31:36
Speaker 1: this is condescending and a waste of taxpayer money.
31:39
Speaker 15: Well, whoever made that decision to do the video might
31:41
Speaker 15: be the same person who said to the Prime Minister,
31:44
Speaker 15: why don't you go and do a.
31:45
Speaker 7: Video and talk about young women? That'd be a really
31:47
Speaker 7: good idea.
31:48
Speaker 15: Now, I just tried to count how many Ooshies were
31:50
Speaker 15: in front of the minister there. Someone has spent $ 3, 000
31:53
Speaker 15: because you only got an Ooshie at either Big W
31:55
Speaker 15: or Woolies when you spent $ 30 and then you got
31:57
Speaker 15: one Ooshie. Now, she's talking about Ooshies and comparing housing.
32:01
Speaker 15: There is a similarity because some Ooshies are very hard
32:04
Speaker 15: to get. And as the grandfather of eight, my oldest
32:08
Speaker 15: four children, particularly little Avie, who's eight, said.
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Speaker 7: Poppy, when you go to Big W and Woolies, you've
32:14
Speaker 7: got to get an Ooshie. And I said, OK. So
32:15
Speaker 7: I thought about it. They've got to be for sale somewhere.
32:18
Speaker 7: So I went on eBay. $ 1, 800 for a set of Ooshies.
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Speaker 1: No way.
32:22
Speaker 10: Yes.
32:23
Speaker 7: And I asked my daughter.
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Speaker 1: You didn't buy it, did you?
32:25
Speaker 7: No, of course not.
32:27
Speaker 15: I'm on a fixed income. I'm almost a pensioner. But
32:30
Speaker 15: I said to my daughter, why?
32:31
Speaker 7: She said, because some very rare ones. And they were
32:34
Speaker 7: having Ooshie.
32:35
Speaker 15: So to compare it with housing trivialises the problem we're
32:38
Speaker 15: having with housing. And it's just, this is the Minister
32:41
Speaker 15: of the Crown with a table full of Ooshies.
32:43
Speaker 7: What's she doing? The whole.
32:45
Speaker 1: trend of these ministers doing TikTok videos. I just hate
32:50
Speaker 1: that trend. I agree with James Patterson. He said that
32:53
Speaker 1: it's not a serious thing for politicians to do, and
32:55
Speaker 1: I just agree with him on that. It doesn't look
32:58
Speaker 1: good for them to be doing silly dances, silly videos,
33:01
Speaker 1: and people get paid money to record the videos.
33:04
Speaker 15: Well, I remember Mark Speakman, the former leader of the
33:06
Speaker 15: opposition in New South Wales, did one of these, where
33:08
Speaker 15: they're all dancing and singing all the way through. He
33:11
Speaker 15: was gone within about three months, and I don't know
33:12
Speaker 15: if the TikTok video helped him, but All of them
33:15
Speaker 15: need to wake up to themselves and stop doing those
33:17
Speaker 15: dumb things.
33:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. All right, I want to ask you about
33:20
Speaker 1: this whole One Nation phenomenon. I mean, it's all anyone's
33:23
Speaker 1: talking about because it's just shaking up Australian politics in
33:27
Speaker 1: a way we've never known before. There's never been a
33:29
Speaker 1: third party, in recent times at least. It's been a
33:32
Speaker 1: two-party system. Now it's a three-party system.
33:35
Speaker 7: Well, let's go back to May, Farrah. They were doing
33:39
Speaker 7: well in the opinion polls, polling in One Nation, right?
33:42
Speaker 15: Labor coalition said, Opinion polls don't count. Elections count. So
33:47
Speaker 15: they wipe the floor. You know, Susan Lee retires. They
33:51
Speaker 15: wipe the floor of the opposition and take over Farrah.
33:53
Speaker 15: Then we get to the one you spoke to Basil
33:55
Speaker 15: about in Western Australia, a state seat. And I'm glad you...
33:58
Speaker 15: I took note of what you said last week about
33:59
Speaker 15: bordering canning.
34:01
Speaker 12: Yes.
34:01
Speaker 7: It's a very important point that's made.
34:03
Speaker 15: Andrew Hastings basically shares that electorate federally. So we get there.
34:08
Speaker 15: And again, you know, it's the other side of the continent.
34:12
Speaker 15: And they'd had a dreadful week trying to explain immigration
34:15
Speaker 15: and the like and what Farley had said and all
34:16
Speaker 15: those other things.
34:17
Speaker 3: Nasty, yeah.
34:18
Speaker 7: But they had a bad week. But they again, 57-43.
34:23
Speaker 15: Labor had held that seat and historically it wasn't called
34:25
Speaker 15: Swing Harbour, it was called something else back to 89.
34:27
Speaker 7: They held it for all those years.
34:29
Speaker 15: They had an 11.5% majority coming in with a retiring member.
34:33
Speaker 15: And all of a sudden there's a new member there
34:36
Speaker 15: for One Nation, 57-43, two-party preferred.
34:40
Speaker 7: So what's the Prime Minister do on Sunday?
34:43
Speaker 15: He bags a tripod of Pauline Hanson and says, oh,
34:45
Speaker 15: they haven't got policy, they haven't got this.
34:46
Speaker 7: I mean, really?
34:47
Speaker 15: And then accuses her of lying and accuses One Nation
34:50
Speaker 15: of lying?
34:51
Speaker 12: Yes.
34:51
Speaker 7: Hello? Have a look in the mirror, old mate.
34:54
Speaker 12: Exactly.
34:54
Speaker 15: I mean, you get pimples on your tongue, the number
34:56
Speaker 15: of lies he's told over the last three years. And
34:58
Speaker 15: then Angus Taylor, I'm sorry, a really nice bloke, highly intelligent.
35:04
Speaker 7: I read a piece recently about how he's really intelligent,
35:06
Speaker 7: but he has no political nous. He just doesn't get it.
35:11
Speaker 15: And if he wants to be the Prime Minister, the
35:13
Speaker 15: only way he's going to achieve it is in partnership
35:16
Speaker 15: with both the Nationals and One Nation, a conservative movement. Now,
35:20
Speaker 15: he mightn't like all the policies of One Nation. He
35:22
Speaker 15: won't have to adhere to all the policies. But if
35:24
Speaker 15: he really is fair dinkum about ousting, the opposition's the
35:27
Speaker 15: Labor Party, Shari.
35:29
Speaker 7: That's the opposition. One Nation's not the opposition.
35:32
Speaker 15: They have conservative values, some of them a little bit
35:35
Speaker 15: skew-iff compared with his values. But he's not going to
35:38
Speaker 15: get elected with the Green support or Labor support.
35:41
Speaker 7: His only hope is One Nation. And he's got to
35:43
Speaker 7: start waking up to that fact.
35:45
Speaker 1: It's like the rule book's out the window when it
35:47
Speaker 1: comes to One Nation. You know, as you said, it
35:50
Speaker 1: was a messy week last week. They all had something
35:52
Speaker 1: different to say. They don't have well-thought-out policies. But voters
35:56
Speaker 1: don't care. I think it's been such a bad government
36:00
Speaker 1: under Albanese in terms of the economy, social cohesion... he's
36:05
Speaker 1: lost his credibility, as you say, the broken promises, the lies.
36:09
Speaker 1: And so they want authenticity. And Pauline's the closest there
36:12
Speaker 1: is to authenticity.
36:14
Speaker 15: And she can make, and I said before, she doesn't care.
36:17
Speaker 15: She doesn't want to pronounce the Japanese prime minister's name.
36:20
Speaker 15: And the punters out there watching you now, they don't
36:23
Speaker 15: care that she doesn't know the name or how to
36:25
Speaker 15: pronounce it.
36:26
Speaker 7: Look, stop showing off. You do that every time I
36:28
Speaker 7: come on. And I haven't got my tongue around that
36:30
Speaker 7: one yet.
36:30
Speaker 15: But And then she'll do things and then there seems
36:34
Speaker 15: to be a bloke on the ABC. talking about immigration
36:37
Speaker 15: that she doesn't agree with. And so it's pretty messy
36:40
Speaker 15: and untidy. But you're going to get that. And you're
36:42
Speaker 15: going to get that all the time with Pauline. Barnaby
36:44
Speaker 15: offers a little more common sense. And I'm not trying
36:46
Speaker 15: to denigrate Pauline, but she does shoot from the hip
36:48
Speaker 15: quite often.
36:50
Speaker 1: But it doesn't hurt her. No, it doesn't.
36:52
Speaker 15: Because people like her. And she's hard not to like,
36:57
Speaker 15: I think. I mean, you know, I've had plenty of
36:59
Speaker 15: blues with her over the last 25 years. But, you know,
37:02
Speaker 15: at the end of the day, she's She can be
37:04
Speaker 15: quite sweet and quite determined sometimes.
37:07
Speaker 7: She'll be horrified that I'm calling her sweet.
37:09
Speaker 1: Everyone's sweet to you, Ray.
37:11
Speaker 7: Not really.
37:12
Speaker 1: Let's move on to this terrible story, this correction order. Now, look,
37:16
Speaker 1: it's a bit complicated to explain, but basically there's a
37:20
Speaker 1: man who committed vile sexual attacks on women over the
37:23
Speaker 1: course of two decades in Sydney on trains.
37:27
Speaker 12: Yep.
37:27
Speaker 1: But he's been granted a three-year intensive correction order and
37:33
Speaker 1: 350 hours of community service.
37:34
Speaker 7: Well, it's too disgusting to document even at this time
37:37
Speaker 7: of night.
37:37
Speaker 12: Yeah.
37:37
Speaker 15: But it's about a tax on women by this fellow
37:40
Speaker 15: that date back, as you say, to 2005, 2006, and
37:43
Speaker 15: then more recent attacks on another two women. They got
37:46
Speaker 15: DNA samples from the women's clothing back at that period,
37:49
Speaker 15: which identified him. So I'm reading the story yesterday and
37:52
Speaker 15: I'm going through it. And you know how you start
37:54
Speaker 15: to skim through and say, hang on, how long did
37:56
Speaker 15: he get? You know, you read the vile stuff at
37:58
Speaker 15: the top and you get... And they get to the
38:00
Speaker 15: bottom and I thought, no, that can't be right. I
38:02
Speaker 15: pick it up and look at it again. 350 hours
38:04
Speaker 15: community service and a three-year intensive correction order.
38:08
Speaker 7: I mean, and... You know, he couldn't do anything but
38:12
Speaker 7: plead guilty. They had DNA.
38:14
Speaker 5: Yeah.
38:14
Speaker 7: Dating back 19 years. Yeah.
38:16
Speaker 15: And I'm thinking that's why, you know, Pauline Hanson resonates
38:19
Speaker 15: with people because of decisions like this. And, you know,
38:23
Speaker 15: the judge obviously heard all the, you know, matters in
38:26
Speaker 15: front of him and I don't know who the judge was.
38:28
Speaker 15: It's a magistrate who's now become a judge, but that
38:30
Speaker 15: doesn't matter.
38:31
Speaker 7: At the end of the day, if the best.
38:34
Speaker 1: And he described the acts as disgusting, despicable and abominable.
38:38
Speaker 7: Of course he did. Because they were.
38:39
Speaker 15: But at the end of the day, we get to
38:41
Speaker 15: the stage where four women were violated in the most
38:44
Speaker 15: inappropriate terms on public transport by this bloke over 19 years.
38:48
Speaker 15: It's not as if he did it yesterday and then
38:49
Speaker 15: repeated it. He did it for 19 years. And you
38:52
Speaker 15: know what? Goodness knows how many other women who didn't
38:54
Speaker 15: report the matter... were attacked by this fellow. And so
38:58
Speaker 15: as a result, he's still on the street.
38:59
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
39:00
Speaker 12: It is.
39:00
Speaker 7: It's disgusting.
39:01
Speaker 1: There's something wrong with sentencing. There's something wrong with sentencing.
39:04
Speaker 7: I mean, really.
39:05
Speaker 15: I mean, you know, and I get myself into trouble
39:07
Speaker 15: all the time for criticising, you know, district court judges,
39:10
Speaker 15: county court judges and other jurisdictions and judges in New
39:13
Speaker 15: South Wales who are now magistrates. But if anyone in
39:15
Speaker 15: the judiciary thinks that's a fair sentence, well.
39:18
Speaker 7: They're wrong.
39:19
Speaker 10: Absolutely.
39:20
Speaker 1: Ray, thank you so much.
39:21
Speaker 7: Thank you very much.
39:22
Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll see you next week.
39:23
Speaker 7: All the best.
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Speaker 1: After the break the remarkable story of how music helped
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Speaker 1: a young hostage survive almost 477 days at the hands
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Speaker 1: of Hamas terrorists, Daniela Gilboa and her mother, who fought
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Speaker 1: for her release. Join me after the break. Daniela Gilboa
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Speaker 1: had been writing songs since she was seven, dreaming she'd
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Speaker 1: one day perform in front of the world. But on
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Speaker 1: October 7, 2023, her life fell apart. At just 19
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Speaker 1: years old, Daniela, who was a Nahal Oz surveillance officer,
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Speaker 1: was abducted by Hamas and held in Gaza for 477 days.
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Speaker 1: Her mother, Orly, campaigned tirelessly to bring her home.
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Speaker 12: Just know that we are doing everything, I mean... here
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Speaker 12: in Israel, abroad, everything we can to bring you back.
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Speaker 12: And it will happen. It will be happen soon.
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Speaker 1: Her parents didn't know whether she was alive or dead.
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Speaker 1: And then Hamas forced Daniela to record this.
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Speaker 16: Where were you on October 7th when I was kidnapped
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Speaker 16: from my bed? Where are you now? Why should I,
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Speaker 16: as a soldier who gave 100% of myself in service
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Speaker 16: of my country, feel that I have been abandoned and forsaken?
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Speaker 16: Get over yourselves, dear government, and start doing your job
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Speaker 16: as is necessary. Bring us home while we're still alive.
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Speaker 1: She was also forced to record a video pretending she'd
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Speaker 1: been killed. Now she remained in Gaza trapped until finally
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Speaker 1: she and three other women were handed over to the
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Speaker 1: Red Cross. And Daniela has since launched a music career
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Speaker 1: and she's set to perform at the Sydney Opera House
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Speaker 1: in October. And I'm pleased to say that she and
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Speaker 1: her beautiful mother, Orly, joined me for an interview earlier.
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Speaker 1: Here it is. Daniela, Orly, welcome to the program. The
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Speaker 1: relationship and the love between you two must be even
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Speaker 1: more intense, Daniela, knowing everything your mum did for your
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Speaker 1: release while you were in captivity in Gaza.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 5: I saw this also in Gaza. I saw her. So
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Speaker 5: if it also got to the Al Jazeera, I don't know.
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Speaker 5: So it means that you really did a hard work
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Speaker 5: and it was so, I was so glad to cry here.
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Speaker 1: Me too.
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Speaker 5: Thank you for everything. She knows I'm thanking her every
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Speaker 5: day for what she did. And I know how much
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Speaker 5: she fought for me to come back. And it did
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Speaker 5: work eventually. And thank God also. Thank God we're together.
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Speaker 1: Seeing her on the TV clips, did that keep up
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Speaker 1: your hope, keep up your spirits?
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Speaker 5: Yes, of course. Of course. It was me understanding that
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Speaker 5: my family cares. I thought that they cared, yes, but
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Speaker 5: it showed me what really happened. And it was so
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Speaker 5: exciting for me to see her. I don't know, I
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Speaker 5: didn't see her in a lot of days.
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Speaker 1: I missed her.
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Speaker 8: She told me when she came back that she heard
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Speaker 8: a radio show that I recorded for her. She heard
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Speaker 8: it in Gaza and she told me something nice. She
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Speaker 8: told me it was like a telephone call but I
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Speaker 8: couldn't answer you. But I heard you and I listened
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Speaker 8: to you and wow, it's It was very exciting to
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Speaker 8: hear it.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Oli, you campaigned with all of your heart, all of
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Speaker 1: your strength to have your beautiful daughter freed. How proud
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Speaker 1: are you as a mum of how she's transformed what
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Speaker 1: she went through into this incredible music career?
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Speaker 12: Wow.
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Speaker 8: Actually, all this period of time when she was in captivity,
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Speaker 8: you know, I just wanted her to come back alive.
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Speaker 8: And for me today to see her path and, you know,
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Speaker 8: through all this music and it's a dream come true.
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Speaker 8: I mean, it's something even more than a dream because
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Speaker 8: I didn't dream about it. I just, as I thought,
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Speaker 8: as I said it, My dream was her to come back.
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Speaker 1: She was in hell, but you were in hell too, Oli.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, one big hell. But, you know, always when people
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Speaker 8: ask me how I'm getting through all this time, you know,
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Speaker 8: and doing things and alive, Although my girl is in hell,
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Speaker 8: so I said to all the people that I'm not
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Speaker 8: the issue. My daughter is the one that suffers and
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Speaker 8: having hell. So really, for me, it wasn't anything compared
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Speaker 8: to her.
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Speaker 1: That's very, very special that you did so much for
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Speaker 1: her and that you were able to get glimpses of
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Speaker 1: it and to keep the hope alive and to keep
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Speaker 1: you going. I mean, your courage, Daniela, is so inspiring
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Speaker 1: to everyone, but particularly to young women around the world,
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Speaker 1: how you've turned something unbearably traumatic into something beautiful. What
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Speaker 1: message do you hope to convey through your music?
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Speaker 5: I think that what I learned the most also there
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Speaker 5: in Gaza that I Even though you're in the dark,
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Speaker 5: you can find the light, you can find the hope,
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Speaker 5: you can find the way to laugh, to smile. And
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Speaker 5: I think this is my message. And this was my
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Speaker 5: way to survive this, I think, through this. happiness and
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Speaker 5: thinking forward what I want to do when I will
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Speaker 5: come back, manifest the good things that will come into
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Speaker 5: my life. Also, when everything around me is darkness, this
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Speaker 5: is my message. This is what I want to bring.
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Speaker 1: Oli, are you responsible for this very positive attitude, for
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Speaker 1: this inner strength?
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 8: Actually, I think so, because I'm a very optimistic person.
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Speaker 8: I'm trying to see the good things in everything. Even
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Speaker 8: though it's the most horrible things, I'm trying to see
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Speaker 8: the light in everything. And I think it's something that
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Speaker 8: Daniela learned from home. And this is Even the way
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Speaker 8: for me to get through all this period of time,
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Speaker 8: I was thinking a lot of optimistic thoughts. Although even
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Speaker 8: after Hamas published the video that Daniela was killed, it
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Speaker 8: took me one or two days to be in shock.
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Speaker 8: And then I just moved on. and thoughts about the
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Speaker 8: moment that she will come home alive.
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Speaker 1: You didn't believe the video?
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Speaker 8: No, I didn't believe the video. I tried to think
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Speaker 8: positive thoughts and I believe that these positive thoughts will
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Speaker 8: bring her back and it will be the reality.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet she was also worried about you, of course.
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Speaker 12: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And Daniela, you've spoken about when they made you do
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Speaker 1: that cruel video, when you had to pretend to be dead,
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Speaker 1: you were just worried about your mum seeing that. But
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Speaker 1: going through those extremely traumatic moments, I mean, how has
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Speaker 1: your music helped you to heal from all of this?
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Speaker 5: I think from when I was little, music always been
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Speaker 5: something that makes me heal.
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Speaker 8: And in my.
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Speaker 5: Most tough and sad and even happy moments in my
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Speaker 5: life music always been there and also my first tattoo
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Speaker 5: is a plaster with music on so it just shows
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Speaker 5: how much it means to me And I think right now,
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Speaker 5: after October 7th and everything I've been through, it's even
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Speaker 5: more significant for me to write songs, to express my feelings,
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Speaker 5: to let myself heal through the music, through the things,
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Speaker 5: that thing I love the most.
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Speaker 1: Daniela, when you think of the person you were on
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Speaker 1: October 6th to the woman that you are now, how
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Speaker 1: have you changed?
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Speaker 5: Wow. I'm still the same person, my environment tells me.
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Speaker 5: I think I've learned about myself that I'm very strong.
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Speaker 5: I didn't know it. I thought that I was a
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Speaker 5: coward and afraid of everything. And I don't want anything
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Speaker 5: to be wrong. I want everything to be perfect. I
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Speaker 5: think I've learned to bring the light to myself, even
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Speaker 5: though I'm sad or... Or in a tough time. So
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Speaker 5: this is the strength. The strength.
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Speaker 14: Yes.
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Speaker 5: That I've learned about myself. And this is where I've changed.
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Speaker 5: So I'm happy about it. I'm happy about that change.
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Speaker 5: I'm happy about it. Because now. From now on. I can.
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Speaker 5: I really know how to live my life. And I'm
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Speaker 5: only 22. So it's like a privilege for me. to
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Speaker 5: understand life better, to appreciate everything better.
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Speaker 1: Such an inspiring message and your courage is remarkable. And
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for sharing your story, Daniela and Oli.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure we'll all come and see you when
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Speaker 1: you're in Australia in a couple of months' time and
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Speaker 1: we'll support you at the Opera House. A dream come true,
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Speaker 1: no doubt.
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Speaker 5: Yes, thank you so much. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: And if you'd like to see Daniela perform, you can
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Speaker 1: buy tickets at www.shir.com.au. Well, to some horrific news now.
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Speaker 1: This morning, a woman made a horrible discovery in Sydney's
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Speaker 1: southwest while taking out the rubbish at 11.20am in Auburn.
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Speaker 1: Inside a bin, she came across the body of a
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Speaker 1: newborn baby wrapped in plastic. The baby was believed to
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Speaker 1: be only 36 hours old. It is too sad for words.
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Speaker 1: Emergency services were called to the scene. It turned an
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Speaker 1: ordinary suburban street into a taped-off crime scene. Police say
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Speaker 1: it's left the woman traumatised. And here's the latest, thanks
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Speaker 1: to Nine News.
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Speaker 4: Number one priority right now is this mother getting the
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Speaker 4: medical care that she urgently We say they don't yet
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Speaker 4: know how or when this baby died, but they're going
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Speaker 4: door to door trying to identify his mother, who they
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Speaker 4: have this message for.
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Speaker 17: And we're asking if she could attend the closest hospital
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Speaker 17: to receive urgent medical care that I'm sure that she needs.
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Speaker 4: Police are also appealing for anybody who was on this
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Speaker 4: street in the last 36 hours who may have seen
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Speaker 4: something of note to come forward.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just unbearably tragic what brings a mother to do
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Speaker 1: something like that, to abandon her newborn baby just 36
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Speaker 1: hours old. And we'll bring you the latest on this
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Speaker 1: tragic story as it comes over the next few days. Well,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your company tonight. A big
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Speaker 1: show tomorrow evening. I've got Mark Holden on the show.
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Speaker 1: You might remember him, a famous singer, songwriter. So tune
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Speaker 1: in tomorrow night. Nick Coatsworth, the medical expert as well,
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Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about. But right now it's
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Speaker 1: time for Paul Murray in the Man Cave.