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Summer of Camping · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 23 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:34
  I Hate Talking: So our word or phrase of this episode is gonna be somewhat similar to a word or phrase that we discussed in part 10 episodes ago in episode 13.
• 0:47
  I Hate Talking: Whoa, it's a long time ago.
• 0:49
  I Hate Talking: Indeed it was.
• 0:51
  I Hate Talking: And that particular word that I'm thinking of is temper or tamper, where we actually, as we discussed the etymology, uh, found out and shared with our audience that Uh, those actually had the same root word but later came to be used in far different ways, uh, because obviously temper, uh, to improve something versus tamper to actually cause something harm are far different even though they had the same root word, right, I remember.
• 1:19
  I Hate Talking: So today's word is nice.
• 1:22
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 1:23
  I Hate Talking: So this is a little bit different.
• 1:26
  I Hate Talking: It's one singular word that has had a variety of meanings over the last 700 years or so.
• 1:35
  I Hate Talking: So I think you'd be probably already familiar with its modern usage and definition.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 1:42
  I Hate Talking: The only thing I think of when I hear the word nice is a kind person or an enjoyable experience, or, you know, to use a phrase like, it's nice to meet you, or that person is so nice, it would be nice to go get ice cream.
• 1:59
  I Hate Talking: So I would be referencing something being pleasant.
• 2:02
  I Hate Talking: And that is the very first word that is given as a synonym and definition of the word nice in its modern usage, according to the Oxford Dictionary is pleasant.
• 2:15
  I Hate Talking: It also can mean agreeable, satisfactory, uh, and also can be specifically applied to a person that a person is pleasant in their manner and agreeableness.
• 2:26
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 2:26
  I Hate Talking: So what are the other ones?
• 2:27
  I Hate Talking: I can't even think of another one off the top of my head.
• 2:30
  I Hate Talking: So that is the modern usage and that has been popular for uh the last 200 years or so and has been actually gaining popularity and usage more recently into like the 1950s and even uh continued usage and growth in the 2000s.
• 2:50
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so we actually see this word being used more frequently in literature and everyday speech and things of that nature.
• 2:57
  I Hate Talking: But the root word and as we look at the etymology of this word is that it actually comes from the Latin and it means to not know.
• 3:07
  I Hate Talking: Huh, OK.
• 3:09
  I Hate Talking: Well, explain that and explain how we went from not know to pleasant.
• 3:14
  I Hate Talking: So in the 13th century, uh, it was used in the Latin as ne for not and sire for to know, uh, so similar to like science, that type of root word.
• 3:28
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so that came to be put together and used together in Latin as nius, uh, and that came to then be used in the French, uh, to mean ignorant, unaware, and not knowing.
• 3:43
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, basically, uh, overall nice meaning ignorant because you're not knowing something.
• 3:51
  I Hate Talking: It then came to be used within the French language as careless, clumsy, weak, poor, needy, simple, stupid, silly, and foolish.
• 4:00
  I Hate Talking: And uh from there, that was used throughout the 13th century, like I said, up through uh 1400s and so on and so forth, and then came to mean fussy or fastidious, uh, because again, maybe they were not following.
• 4:20
  I Hate Talking: A particular way of doing something because they were ignorant, so they were fussy or trying to do something a certain way, then came to mean dainty or delicate and then precise or careful, and then that is how it eventually evolved into agreeable and delightful in the 1700s and then kind and thoughtful and into our modern day use of being.
• 4:44
  I Hate Talking: Pleasant and agreeable in the 1900s.
• 4:48
  I Hate Talking: OK, so what would other cultures say even currently, because it reminds me of um when I studied abroad.
• 4:55
  I Hate Talking: In Russia, we were told not to smile.
• 5:00
  I Hate Talking: Try not to smile as much as we typically do.
• 5:05
  I Hate Talking: Cause I feel like in my culture, I would smile as I walk past somebody as like a greeting to be pleasant.
• 5:13
  I Hate Talking: And they had a phrase and it meant, smiling is idiotcy.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: So smiling means you're dumb.
• 5:22
  I Hate Talking: And um it's making me think of that, like, I like nice people, I like pleasant people, but they are nice and pleasant, does that actually mean that they're ignorant?
• 5:36
  I Hate Talking: In the 13th century to at least the 16th, maybe 17th century, yes, that is what that word meant.
• 5:44
  I Hate Talking: And then over time has evolved into what we use it as today.
• 5:49
  I Hate Talking: But uh maybe when you are using that word in the future, maybe you'll think that something's nice and have this uh callback definition.
• 5:58
  I Hate Talking: Actually in mind, so it could be uh your version of uh in the South, bless your heart, you're saying that uh it's nice to meet you or somebody did a nice job.
• 6:10
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 6:11
  I Hate Talking: I will think of this now because I feel like a while back we even took like a personality thing, and one of them was like, what do you want people to call you?
• 6:20
  I Hate Talking: I think I'm pretty sure I wrote nice, like because you're supposed to do like one or two words.
• 6:25
  I Hate Talking: Describe who you want people to think of you as.
• 6:28
  I Hate Talking: And I instantly think, I want people to think I'm a nice person.
• 6:31
  I Hate Talking: I want them to think I'm pleasant to be around.
• 6:35
  I Hate Talking: I can see how that's a backhanded compliment now.
• 6:38
  I Hate Talking: So, as we close out this section of our episode today, uh, there's a couple of different authors that uh actually comment on its evolution of usage.
• 6:52
  I Hate Talking: So there was an author named Fowler that said in 1926 that the word nice was too great a favorite with the ladies who have charmed out of it all its individuality and converted it into a mere diffuser of vague and mild agreeableness.
• 7:07
  I Hate Talking: And then there's actually another author, uh, you're probably familiar with this one, Jane Austen.
• 7:12
  I Hate Talking: In Northanger Abbey poked fun at this word, uh, when she wrote, I am sure, cried Catherine.
• 7:19
  I Hate Talking: I did not mean to say anything wrong, but it is a nice book.
• 7:22
  I Hate Talking: And why should I not call it so?
• 7:24
  I Hate Talking: Very true, said Henry, and this is a very nice day, and we are taking a very nice walk, and you are two very nice young ladies.
• 7:31
  I Hate Talking: Oh, it is a very nice word indeed.
• 7:33
  I Hate Talking: It does for everything.
• 7:35
  I Hate Talking: Hm, OK.
• 7:37
  I Hate Talking: And you even use that in your example, that it might be nice to meet someone or it might be nice to go out for ice cream, or it might be uh good to use it in uh how you describe an experience as a nice thing to do.
• 7:52
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, even in the very start of our episode, we were using it in a variety of very imprecise usages.
• 8:00
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah.
• 8:01
  I Hate Talking: So on to our topic at hand for this episode.
• 8:05
  I Hate Talking: I think we had a very nice time this summer.
• 8:07
  I Hate Talking: Would you care to tell our audience what we did this summer, the summer of 2024?
• 8:13
  I Hate Talking: I like how you did that.
• 8:14
  I Hate Talking: Nice, nice.
• 8:15
  I Hate Talking: So.
• 8:16
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we challenged ourselves to, um, in the beginning of summer, we spoke to each other, we spoke to our kids about what our goals were for the summer, and we actually challenged ourselves to do uh what we called a summer of camping.
• 8:36
  I Hate Talking: We had 13 weeks this summer.
• 8:38
  I Hate Talking: And we wanted to camp 13 nights.
• 8:42
  I Hate Talking: At least 1 night a week at least.
• 8:46
  I Hate Talking: We could camp multiple nights if we had the opportunity, but we had to, within a seven day period, camp somewhere.
• 8:56
  I Hate Talking: And when I say camp, I mean tent camping.
• 8:59
  I Hate Talking: Uh, we set up a tent.
• 9:01
  I Hate Talking: We did leave it open to be like, if we wanted open air, if we had the opportunity, cause sometimes you like to do hammock camping.
• 9:10
  I Hate Talking: So I think every time we did a tent, we did not do any open air.
• 9:16
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 9:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we did have a few nights out of the summer where we did not have our rain cover on, so it's almost open air, right, because we do have that tent style that uh has the basically just the, just the mesh for keeping the bugs out, um, almost nearly on the entire top half.
• 9:34
  I Hate Talking: Um, so that was close to open air, but yes, everything tent camping and while not camping, quote unquote in a RV or other cabin type that style thing.
• 9:47
  I Hate Talking: It was still car camping.
• 9:49
  I Hate Talking: We had all our supplies, we were right nearby running water and uh facilities of that nature.
• 9:54
  I Hate Talking: So sometimes we didn't have running water.
• 9:57
  I Hate Talking: Most of the time we did, but we always were within a mile of our car.
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: That is true.
• 10:05
  I Hate Talking: There was uh a few times that we did not have running water.
• 10:09
  I Hate Talking: Um, that's true.
• 10:10
  I Hate Talking: So that was a little bit uh more rustic.
• 10:14
  I Hate Talking: But we never, it wasn't like we were backpacking.
• 10:16
  I Hate Talking: We could get to our car.
• 10:18
  I Hate Talking: Fairly easily every time.
• 10:21
  I Hate Talking: This summer anyway, yes.
• 10:23
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 10:24
  I Hate Talking: So, yeah, everyone, when we first told them what we were doing this summer, thought it was crazy.
• 10:29
  I Hate Talking: And then I don't think most people believed we would do it, but we do as a family enjoy camping.
• 10:36
  I Hate Talking: We knew going into it that there'd be times that we would be miserable, like, OK, we won't want to do this, the weather won't be great.
• 10:43
  I Hate Talking: Anything like that, but we are going to do it because this will be a summer we can look back on and say we can't versus, I don't know what we did last summer.
• 10:55
  I Hate Talking: A few things pop up in my mind, but I wanted like an overarching theme this year that the 6 of us as a family spent time outside just ourselves.
• 11:05
  I Hate Talking: And we did accomplish our goal, so we were able to tent camp.
• 11:11
  I Hate Talking: Every single week, at least one night a week, uh, for all the weeks over summer.
• 11:17
  I Hate Talking: I think we did have some plans to camp multiple nights in a row and for whatever reason those either fell through or or had to be adjusted because of weather.
• 11:26
  I Hate Talking: So I think each week we actually only camped one night.
• 11:29
  I Hate Talking: Is that correct?
• 11:30
  I Hate Talking: In one location, we had some weeks that we camped one place, uh, one time we camped and then went to a different state that next night.
• 11:39
  I Hate Talking: Camp somewhere else.
• 11:41
  I Hate Talking: But we never, yeah, we never ended up staying in the same location.
• 11:45
  I Hate Talking: For 2 nights in a row.
• 11:47
  I Hate Talking: And some of those locations were our backyard, which was allowed in our original challenge that would still count.
• 11:56
  I Hate Talking: Yes, we did say that, that we could camp.
• 11:58
  I Hate Talking: Um, I think by the end, our kids actually, the very last week, that's what we did, we gave them options of where they'd want to go, and they chose just to set out a projector and watch a movie in our backyard and camp.
• 12:12
  I Hate Talking: And that was a really nice quiet way to end it.
• 12:15
  I Hate Talking: So I'm glad we did that and the movie night outside was really fun.
• 12:19
  I Hate Talking: Yep, and actually when we were on our own property, I think the one time we camped in the front yard and then the side yard and then the backyard.
• 12:27
  I Hate Talking: So even when we were at home, they were actually all in different locations.
• 12:31
  I Hate Talking: They were all different.
• 12:32
  I Hate Talking: Again, I was saying earlier that people kind of didn't believe us.
• 12:36
  I Hate Talking: They did not think we were going to accomplish our goal.
• 12:39
  I Hate Talking: And it got off to a really rocky start.
• 12:43
  I Hate Talking: Do you wanna tell him what happened the first weekend?
• 12:46
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so I think the first weekend that would have been Memorial Day if I'm recalling this correctly, and we had booked a stay at hip camp or through hip camp rather, uh, which will put the link in the description on that.
• 13:01
  I Hate Talking: It's basically Airbnb for campsite.
• 13:04
  I Hate Talking: So there are individual property owners that have a large tract of land or Uh, some sort of property where they can have their residents and then have some camp area adjacent to it.
• 13:19
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so we booked one of those and had, uh, everything squared away with the host.
• 13:24
  I Hate Talking: This was going to be one of the more rustic adventures, uh, that we were planning on from the very start.
• 13:29
  I Hate Talking: No facilities, no running water, uh, so we were.
• 13:33
  I Hate Talking: Preparing all our supplies to be able to do that.
• 13:37
  I Hate Talking: uh, there's also the question of whether our vehicle would even be able to get to the campsite because you had to cross a small stream and in our particular vehicle that may have been difficult, but unfortunately we never even got to find out because that was one of the weekends that we had some pretty severe weather come through.
• 13:57
  I Hate Talking: And uh luckily through the hip camp app, we were able to cancel and get a full refund and that was fine by our host because they allowed that and actually had some messages after the fact that uh they would have done the same thing.
• 14:12
  I Hate Talking: So we did not ever actually make it to that particular destination.
• 14:17
  I Hate Talking: We were torn.
• 14:18
  I Hate Talking: We were watching the weather.
• 14:19
  I Hate Talking: And we did not want to cancel our first weekend.
• 14:23
  I Hate Talking: But the weather was looking bad, we decided to cancel.
• 14:27
  I Hate Talking: And just a few miles away from where we were staying, they had hail the size of a quarter and maybe a few that were like $5.
• 14:36
  I Hate Talking: The photos I saw were insane.
• 14:39
  I Hate Talking: So it is a very good thing that we weren't there because our tent, that would have been dangerous, especially if we had to park the car and walk to our site.
• 14:48
  I Hate Talking: We did not have any shelter that would have kept us safe from that large of a hail.
• 14:53
  I Hate Talking: And then the next day the weather was great and we just camped at our yard.
• 14:57
  I Hate Talking: Exactly, yeah, and I think we even had some pretty bad weather that evening at our own home, right, since we were not too far down the road from where we were planning on staying and, uh, yeah, lost power I think had some large branches down.
• 15:12
  I Hate Talking: Uh, obviously lightning as a particular danger that one would want to avoid.
• 15:17
  I Hate Talking: So I think we definitely made the right call on that.
• 15:20
  I Hate Talking: And then, yeah, as you said, the weather was beautiful the next day and we camped in our yard the following evening.
• 15:27
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 15:28
  I Hate Talking: Everyone though, definitely, even your mostly your friends, I think we're messaging you, right?
• 15:33
  I Hate Talking: Like, well, That was a nice run, kind of like a ha ha.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: We knew this wouldn't work.
• 15:39
  I Hate Talking: But we camped that next night in our yard.
• 15:42
  I Hate Talking: And we were determined to make it work.
• 15:45
  I Hate Talking: And I think that may have been our only weather cancellation if I recall correctly.
• 15:51
  I Hate Talking: So somehow, uh, the rest of the week we were able to avoid the weather and uh based on our itinerary that we had for the remainder of our summer, uh, we were good from the weather perspective.
• 16:06
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we really lucked out.
• 16:07
  I Hate Talking: There were a few times that could be possible weather and everywhere that there may be weather.
• 16:13
  I Hate Talking: We made sure that we had safe places that we could go to, like shelters, uh, right down, right next door.
• 16:21
  I Hate Talking: We were prepared.
• 16:22
  I Hate Talking: I don't even know if we got much rain, period, the whole summer while we were camping.
• 16:29
  I Hate Talking: So I do remember two specific nights, again, different weeks that we had rain, but yeah, it wasn't really even that torrential.
• 16:37
  I Hate Talking: Uh, the one we definitely had to dry everything off and, and get it put away properly, but the other time was uh relatively dry even in the morning and uh didn't take that much extra time to break camp, given the weather.
• 16:54
  I Hate Talking: So, yeah, not even really any rain to speak of except for a couple of instances, uh, and not even that severe in those instances.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 17:03
  I Hate Talking: So what in your opinion were the biggest pluses or negatives to our summer of camping?
• 17:10
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think one of my biggest positives, which may actually be a negative for some of the other campers was just the reduced screen time.
• 17:23
  I Hate Talking: So we were able to uh spend some time around the fire.
• 17:27
  I Hate Talking: We did uh some storytelling.
• 17:29
  I Hate Talking: Um, now we did use some devices uh still connected to the internet to get some AI prompts for, uh, maybe some.
• 17:38
  I Hate Talking: Ideas for storytelling that we then built off of and sort of had everybody go around and add their portion to the story, but nonetheless, right, uh some additional time without.
• 17:51
  I Hate Talking: Looking at a screen and uh being able to enjoy nature uh to that end and uh spend time together.
• 18:00
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think our kids, um, when you said the other campers don't appreciate it.
• 18:06
  I Hate Talking: I wasn't sure if you meant like our noise level, because they have a bunch of people in our campsite, but you mean our children.
• 18:14
  I Hate Talking: They were sad that they didn't get TV.
• 18:16
  I Hate Talking: Uh, um, they rallied, they're used to it, they were OK.
• 18:20
  I Hate Talking: I think their biggest takeaway would be the amount of marshmallows they ate this summer.
• 18:27
  I Hate Talking: Was astronomical.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, that's true.
• 18:31
  I Hate Talking: Uh, we did a lot of s'mores, a lot of roasting of marshmallows, and then, uh, yeah, there's a number of them that, uh, we'll just eat them straight out of the bag, uh, just as they are uh out any cooking or any uh other ingredients added.
• 18:46
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, -- just -- pure sugar.
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: They ate them every week.
• 18:50
  I Hate Talking: Yep, indeed they did.
• 18:51
  I Hate Talking: Um, my biggest takeaway, I think was, yeah, I mean, I liked the no screens.
• 18:57
  I Hate Talking: I liked no obligations.
• 19:00
  I Hate Talking: Uh, my biggest problem with camping in general is the amount of work I perceive it as.
• 19:09
  I Hate Talking: You have to get out your tent, the chairs, the camping stove.
• 19:14
  I Hate Talking: I mean, you don't have to, but We get out, can't all these things, and it And you have to clean it all up.
• 19:23
  I Hate Talking: And that's so frustrating to have to make sure everything's cleaned and packed properly for the next time you use it.
• 19:30
  I Hate Talking: Which was a benefit of doing this challenge on a weekly basis because we didn't really ever put everything away.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: We just kept uh the things out that we knew could be kept out and obviously still maintain the tent and, you know, food stuffs and things of that nature, but Yeah, everything stayed in the garage sort of staged, so a lot of it stayed in the car all week long, and then uh we would just go on to our next destination.
• 19:57
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it made it so nice.
• 19:59
  I Hate Talking: It was uh alleviated so much work.
• 20:03
  I Hate Talking: Cause even I feel like we have to wash our bedding super well and pack it well for next time.
• 20:10
  I Hate Talking: But when you're gonna use it in another 5 days or so, I was much more um comfortable making sure it was clean and just packed up and waiting for to be used in 5 days.
• 20:22
  I Hate Talking: And every once in a while we'd wash everything really well, but as a whole, I didn't feel like we had to pack everything and put it away in storage.
• 20:31
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: And we did have a lot of other foods that we ate besides marshmallows.
• 20:38
  I Hate Talking: So we did have a number of dessert things, uh, s'mores and, uh, related smore adjacent, uh, things for dessert, uh, but we also tried a number of different things for Dinner and breakfast, uh, on our camping night.
• 20:53
  I Hate Talking: So what was, yeah, exactly.
• 20:56
  I Hate Talking: So what was the top rated meal as well as perhaps the one that was the flop in my opinion or as a family as a whole?
• 21:07
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think we'll probably have different hot meals.
• 21:11
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 21:11
  I Hate Talking: I think the flop might be the same for every single camper.
• 21:15
  I Hate Talking: Oh no.
• 21:16
  I Hate Talking: OK, so the flop one, I'm sure what you're thinking of is I got this great idea that we should make DIY pizza.
• 21:25
  I Hate Talking: And I got all the ingredients, I pre-cut everything.
• 21:30
  I Hate Talking: It was a lot of work.
• 21:32
  I Hate Talking: And the dough, OK, I should have y'all next time, if you do this, it's a great idea.
• 21:39
  I Hate Talking: Buy pre-cooked dough.
• 21:42
  I Hate Talking: That was my error.
• 21:44
  I Hate Talking: If the dough was pre-cooked, It would have been a very pleasant experience.
• 21:49
  I Hate Talking: We laid out the raw dough and put our ingredients on it, and then tried to cook it over the fire.
• 21:57
  I Hate Talking: And got a burnt hot mess.
• 22:02
  I Hate Talking: Indeed it was and uh that was the one I was thinking of and um.
• 22:08
  I Hate Talking: Was that your birthday I don't think that was my birthday.
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: That was a different time.
• 22:14
  I Hate Talking: That was the 2nd time going to that location that we did my birthday at the first time.
• 22:18
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so I guess we'll say that too, that we camped at our house 3 different times because of events like weather related or just a really busy week.
• 22:29
  I Hate Talking: Those are why we had to camp at home.
• 22:31
  I Hate Talking: But we went to the same location twice.
• 22:35
  I Hate Talking: Because our kids love, we all loved it so much.
• 22:38
  I Hate Talking: We went once and loved it, so we all went back a second time.
• 22:42
  I Hate Talking: So the 2nd time at that location is when I had the big flop meal.
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: Exactly, yep, and to your point, right, the, uh, all the other times were one, visit and then uh we moved on to a different location.
• 22:56
  I Hate Talking: That was purposeful, right, because we wanted to uh see as many different areas as we could this summer.
• 23:02
  I Hate Talking: Uh, but yes, that was the flop, uh, lots of either uncooked, uh, pizzas that needed to be discarded or, uh, ones that were extremely burnt and black, and I think we were able to salvage, you know, some of the toppings from some of those, but, uh, yeah, -- it -- did -- not smell -- bad.
• 23:22
  I Hate Talking: It smelled so bad.
• 23:23
  I Hate Talking: You're right.
• 23:24
  I Hate Talking: I think that if we had pre-cooked dough or, you know, things that were safe to eat, if they were just warmed and not cooked thoroughly through, then that would have been a success.
• 23:35
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, you can learn from our errors on that one.
• 23:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, try it and let us know if you try it or if you had tried it.
• 23:42
  I Hate Talking: I did not try to duplicate it because it is such a negative experience for my family.
• 23:49
  I Hate Talking: Uh, maybe next year or the following year, so we can try making DIY pizza with pre-cooked bread.
• 23:57
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 23:58
  I Hate Talking: So, that was definitely the flop.
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: The best, I mean, the best thing our kids liked was just hot dogs.
• 24:05
  I Hate Talking: They would just, they love the amount of hot dogs they gotta eat.
• 24:09
  I Hate Talking: I'm thinking for breakfast, we got sausage patties that were pre-cooked.
• 24:16
  I Hate Talking: kept them in our cooler, and I, we heated those up.
• 24:19
  I Hate Talking: And everybody really loved those sausage in the morning.
• 24:24
  I Hate Talking: Yep, those were definitely a hit with the kids and uh myself included.
• 24:29
  I Hate Talking: So that was uh probably for the entire group, probably the one of the top rated.
• 24:34
  I Hate Talking: And then, yeah, we've done a lot of other stuff.
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: We did um omelets in bags or um depending on who it was, a hit or miss.
• 24:42
  I Hate Talking: We've done pancakes.
• 24:44
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that, uh, omelets in the bag was probably our fanciest meal and uh or fanciest trip.
• 24:54
  I Hate Talking: Uh, in terms of the meals, right?
• 24:56
  I Hate Talking: Because that evening we had foil packets that were roast on the fire with a variety of ingredients like potatoes and onions and peppers and, uh, I think we did chicken if I recall correctly.
• 25:09
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so again precooked chicken so that it was already safe to eat regardless of the temperature essentially on the fire.
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so that was one of my top meals was probably the foil packet meal.
• 25:22
  I Hate Talking: And then, uh, on that same trip, we did uh the omelets in a bag and utilize a lot of the same ingredients with the potatoes and peppers and onions and then added in the eggs and then basically boiled that in water over the campfire uh to make omelets.
• 25:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it was awesome, uh, very delicious.
• 25:41
  I Hate Talking: It was nice because I just pre-chopped all the veggies, the mushrooms, the peppers, the onions, all that.
• 25:49
  I Hate Talking: We had some cheese that we were able to sprinkle, and people could choose which toppings they wanted with their chicken, or in the morning with their eggs.
• 25:59
  I Hate Talking: And um that worked really well.
• 26:01
  I Hate Talking: I also like Having the pre-cooked stuff, it's more work.
• 26:06
  I Hate Talking: But I feel, I mean, maybe I'm not correct, but I feel like it's safer to bring it in a cooler, cause we just had a cooler with ice.
• 26:16
  I Hate Talking: To keep all our food and beverages cold.
• 26:19
  I Hate Talking: And I liked not having raw meat in the cooler with um our food that we ate, just like our water, we'd have a bucket of watermelon, and I wasn't afraid that the raw meat would spill onto the Food.
• 26:34
  I Hate Talking: Exactly, yeah, so that does make it a lot easier and uh does preserve the food safety.
• 26:40
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps if we were gonna do that in the future, we would have maybe even separate coolers, uh, one for your fresh food and one for your uncooked food and things like that to make sure that that all stays separate, but when you do have a cooler and food, you also have to worry about uh animals, bears and raccoons and uh the like uh getting into your food.
• 27:02
  I Hate Talking: So.
• 27:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, OK, let's talk about that.
• 27:04
  I Hate Talking: So, there was one night we were in a very rustic area.
• 27:08
  I Hate Talking: Nowhere near where we live.
• 27:11
  I Hate Talking: Uh, this was one of the farthest distances we drove.
• 27:15
  I Hate Talking: And um we had seen a lot of wildlife, like deer and such around the campsite, we did not have a lot of people.
• 27:24
  I Hate Talking: It was a state.
• 27:26
  I Hate Talking: Camping site Uh, it was very, uh, quiet.
• 27:32
  I Hate Talking: We were on the primitive sites, so no running water or electricity.
• 27:40
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so we could see the RVs, but there were even weren't very many RVs there.
• 27:45
  I Hate Talking: We were separate from them.
• 27:47
  I Hate Talking: In the middle of the night, I woke Adam up.
• 27:51
  I Hate Talking: I was terrified.
• 27:51
  I Hate Talking: I thought somebody was at our site getting into our.
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: I was afraid they were gonna get into our tent.
• 27:56
  I Hate Talking: So I like woke him up and made him go outside and he very bravely went out there to protect us.
• 28:03
  I Hate Talking: And Tell him what you saw.
• 28:06
  I Hate Talking: Yep, it was our friendly neighborhood raccoon, uh, eating an opened Hershey's bar that was left over from our s'more making earlier that evening.
• 28:16
  I Hate Talking: He opened the cooler and then opened the package and was eating it, right?
• 28:22
  I Hate Talking: Now I'm pretty sure the package had already been opened.
• 28:25
  I Hate Talking: So, but the cooler was definitely opened and it wasn't like it was just a lid, right?
• 28:31
  I Hate Talking: It actually did have a latch.
• 28:32
  I Hate Talking: So this said raccoon had to unlatch the cooler, open it, and then uh retrieve the contents therein.
• 28:39
  I Hate Talking: So yeah, that was, uh, and then we had a mess in the morning that we had to clean up of wrappers that we thought we had properly taken care of our site and leave no trace and keep it clean.
• 28:51
  I Hate Talking: And so we had uh quite a bit of cleanup.
• 28:54
  I Hate Talking: We had to follow around these animals that uh we should have put the cooler in our car, I guess.
• 29:00
  I Hate Talking: The car was right next to us.
• 29:02
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, like we had a latch.
• 29:03
  I Hate Talking: I didn't think we needed to put it in the car, we should have.
• 29:06
  I Hate Talking: And that was one of the campsites that did not have a table, and that was actually at that campsite that I had the realization that I really enjoy campsites that have picnic tables.
• 29:19
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that was, I think you said, right, from now on, we will always bring a picnic table if it's a primitive campsite.
• 29:28
  I Hate Talking: Exactly, yeah, that was, uh, there was another primitive site and we made it work because we had a lot of coolers and tubs because that was one of the ones that we were, had a lot of extra gear with us because we knew it was gonna be primitive.
• 29:42
  I Hate Talking: Uh, and then this latter one, not as much.
• 29:45
  I Hate Talking: We did not have any surface to put things.
• 29:49
  I Hate Talking: Uh, so that was where I did come to that conclusion, but it, it did make sense in terms of some of the previous experiences and frustrations that I had earlier in the year.
• 29:58
  I Hate Talking: So we do have a folding six-foot table.
• 30:02
  I Hate Talking: So you would rather bring that from now on.
• 30:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we definitely know that there is no picnic table because a lot of the state parks and other uh set camping grounds that we stayed at had a fire ring and had a table of some sort and Uh, that would be sufficient, but on these primitive sites, uh, yeah, a table would be nice.
• 30:23
  I Hate Talking: OK, so, we know you'd want to bring a table again.
• 30:28
  I Hate Talking: Is there anything else you would do differently?
• 30:31
  I Hate Talking: Or what, would you ever do this again?
• 30:34
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, definitely would do it again.
• 30:36
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if we would embark on this same exact challenge next year because one of the reasons that we did this challenge was to make it something special that does not happen every year, but uh certainly did enjoy it and would do, you know, some form of camping.
• 30:54
  I Hate Talking: Over the, the next few years and doing some of these maybe same sites and and things of that nature.
• 31:03
  I Hate Talking: And uh yeah, I can't think of anything else other than I think most people would be surprised we don't use anything for sleeping other than blankets and pillows.
• 31:16
  I Hate Talking: Because, uh, that is a lot of extra stuff to haul with the air mattresses or pads or whatever the case may be, uh, but we will just sleep directly on the ground, essentially, we'll have a, a tarp and then the tent and then, uh, just some blankets and pillows and uh make that work for uh what we need to do and uh that is.
• 31:41
  I Hate Talking: Sufficient for us and sufficient for the kids and makes things a lot easier.
• 31:46
  I Hate Talking: We can put all the blankets and pillows in one big bag and all that where we need to and makes things a lot easier as well.
• 31:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, and especially in the summer where we live, it doesn't get cold in the evenings very much.
• 32:00
  I Hate Talking: So we don't need In a few months when the winter comes, we need our sleeping bags and coat, like blankets and stuff.
• 32:09
  I Hate Talking: But here we often They didn't even use a blanket cause it was too hot.
• 32:13
  I Hate Talking: I um definitely enjoyed that.
• 32:17
  I Hate Talking: And once in a while would remind you that like in 20 years, we can look back and say, remember when we were young enough to sleep on the hard floor without anything?
• 32:30
  I Hate Talking: Cause we can do that right now.
• 32:33
  I Hate Talking: We feel old.
• 32:34
  I Hate Talking: So every time we'd feel old, every time we'd feel old, or our bodies would hurt some way, I'd remind us that one day we're going to look back on this summer and say, wow, we slept on the hard floor without anything.
• 32:48
  I Hate Talking: We were so young.
• 32:50
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, and maybe that's some encouragement to our listeners to get out there and try camping.
• 32:56
  I Hate Talking: Maybe that's something that you don't often do or ever do, but you can start in your backyard and uh build up from there and just uh do what you can do and enjoy the outdoors.
• 33:08
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, do it.
• 33:09
  I Hate Talking: And if you hate it, it was one night.
• 33:12
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 33:14
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• 33:31
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