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Episode 111: An Analysis of the Final Duel Between Obi-Wan and Vader in the Kenobi Series · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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I prefer all things Kenobi, but I suppose that's not the Jedi
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way, as long as it's not all things Anakin.
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Hi everyone, Welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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I'm your host, Leanne. And I'm your host, Lauren.
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And this week is Part 2, kind of of what we began last week,
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which was talking about the Obi Wan and Anakin.
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Or in this week's episodes case, Vader versus Anakin.
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We're looking at the duels from Revenge of the Sith and
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comparing and contrasting it to. What we witnessed, the greatness
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that we witnessed, the pain that we witnessed in the Kenobi show
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where they met again for the first time since Revenge of the
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Sith. And there's some real big
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similarities, there's some differences, but they're
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purposeful and they mean something.
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There's a lot of parallels or opposites that I've noticed and
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it's it's so cool. I love I I I really have
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enjoyed. This because I it forced me to
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look at this in a different way instead of just, oh, this is my
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heart, oh God no, you know, there's still that, but.
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Yeah, that never goes away. No, random noises always occur.
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But you know from the cinematography aspect to an
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emotional aspect to a. Where are these two individuals
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at in their life at the moment that these duels are happening?
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It's so fascinating. I mean like right from the get
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go. It's the very first scene,
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right? Evader ship lands and Obi ones
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there already. That's already the opposite of
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Revenge of the Sith. Yeah.
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Because Anakin was already a Musa fart.
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Obiwan lands. Obiwan walks down the ramp.
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Now it's the opposite. Vader walks.
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Down the ramp. No, you forgot.
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You forgot. Cloak drop.
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And then he walked down the ramp.
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No. He's at the bottom of the ramp
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when he and. Then he's caught.
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Shit. OK, well, we have to include the
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cloak drop because it wouldn't be his descent, be it cloak drop
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before or after the descent. The descent happens with a cloak
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drop. I can't.
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We can't leave it out. It's such a shame there isn't
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one in the Canova. He takes it off in the ship
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before he gets out. And of course it's cute because
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he finds the Droid from Leia and it's all very sweet and precious
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to give him courage. But like we missed out on a Cape
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drop, it's pretty sad. Opportunity missed.
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His fucking Cape drop came with at the end of this duel like the
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rocks. That was mic.
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Drop that on that. Oh my.
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God, yeah, seriously. There are like, there are so
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many moments where, honestly, this is like the sexiest Obi one
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has ever been. Concur.
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Yep. Can concur.
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There are. I don't even know.
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Countless epic moments in it. And I can't.
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I can't handle it. It was the Obi one I've always
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wanted, yes. Yeah.
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Oh, but the pain. You know, I I'm really
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interested to talk about the planet choice because it is such
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a stark contrast to the fiery, bubbling, explosive Mustafar and
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we have this cold, barren. What it represents is kind of
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the coldness between them, the the the dead friendship, the
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lack of between them, you know? Yes, the environment, even apart
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from just the the physical formations.
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But the smudgy, Gray, smoky look?
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It's like the aftermath of fire. Totally.
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It's been charred over almost. And yes, it's like a dead fire,
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like a fire pit, the remains. Yes, Mustafa was the burning,
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the passion. And this is like the aftermath
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of that destruction. It's.
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So I love it. It's so smart.
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It's it's really the more I like.
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I always liked this. I've heard some people say they
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they didn't like the environment.
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But the more I went through this sequence and looked at the
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cinematography of it, the more I realized that the moon is is it
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a moon or a planet? I'm not really sure.
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Well. There's no like official name
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for it, right? They just called it Barren Moon.
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Yeah, yeah, there's no clear answer that we could find.
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If someone out there knows or heard, please let us know
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because we tried to research. And we saw a few answers but
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nothing definitive so. Yeah, there's even a little bit
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of contrasting information out there, but yeah, it's so good.
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So at the beginning of the duel, they're kind of been like this
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open plane, which is, it's actually really reminiscent to
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prevented the Sith, how they're like kind of out in the open.
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And then they go inside and go into the like the tighter
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environment. That's more dangerous and
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dynamic, I guess. But there are these.
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Cones. They're kind of like
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stalagmites. Or they could be cinder cones.
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Yeah. And the thing I like about
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either of those symbols is stalagmites are caused by
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mineral water, you know, like dripping over an extended period
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of time and building, building, building until they they have
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this Spire. I like where this is going,
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What? I'm getting chills.
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OK, keep going. Keep going.
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So that already ties into OB one and and it can just.
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Overtime percolating until it becomes this giant rock that you
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can't get around. Yes.
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Or if it's a cinder cone, that's usually like a dormant volcano.
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True. So it's like this sleeping power
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that could become very dangerous if it wakes up.
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So either one of those would. Like Opie wants powers.
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Exactly. Or like even Anakin, because
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he's unpredictable, but he's not really.
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He's actually kind of predictable.
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And I think that's part of why Obi Wan wins.
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But. He's predictable to Obi Wan.
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Yes, exactly. Riva.
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Riva did not. Riva did not anticipate that
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shit show. And Anakin or Vader uses moves
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on Obi Wan that he used on Riva and Obi Wan manages like no
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problem. Like like nothing has changed.
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He still knows you. You're not going to stop
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fighting. I mean all be 1 learns from
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things. We we have discussed this ad
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nauseam and I think he would have easily picked up the
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limitations that Vader now has because of the suit and the
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mechanics. We've all talked about how he
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can't really swing high or very high because of the suit and the
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arms and the thing he has kind of a low.
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You know, twirl to I'm doing it, but no one can see it.
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Podcast. But I think Obiwan would learn
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right away, like what his new style is.
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But he's not going to change that much because Anakin's still
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in there and he knows what works or what has worked.
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And it worked with Reva, right? And he tries it on Obiwan, but
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Obiwan's always one step ahead. Always.
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Never. You're never going to top him.
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He was one step ahead all the way up until A New Hope, right?
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Even then. He knew what the hell was going
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on, what he was going to do. He planned it all out.
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That's so true. That's such a good point because
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revenge of the OR, I'm sorry, not revenge.
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It's A New Hope. Seems really anti climactic
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compared to these other things. But now looking at it, we
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realize Obiwan was in control the whole time.
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It was his game and Vader didn't even know he was playing right
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into the exact thing. Obiwen had always kind of like
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had in mind. Just.
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Sacrifice himself. Protect Luke.
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You know it's so good. Some.
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Of the deadliest bad guys, quote, UN quote, always study
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and are one step ahead. And Obiwan is a good guy and
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studies and is always one step ahead.
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Yeah, and he tricks him. Yeah, and that has to piss him
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off bad. That would great.
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My last fucking mechanical nerve, you know?
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No wonder he's so damn angry. You know, amongst other reasons,
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but. That's that's kind of what I
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love about it is they play into why Vader gets so annoyed,
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right? And it's those the flashbacks,
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they use the same moves from the flashbacks in this duel at the
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end where Obi Wan, they're back-to-back and Obi Wan is
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blocking Anakin. So Anakin is thinking same Obi
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Wan. It's going to go the same way.
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I know what I'm doing. And like what you just said,
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what have we said so many times? Obi Wan learns he knows Anakin
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expects him to be that way, and Anakin's probably been planning
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this whole time to defeat Surrey Su.
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And so when Obi Wan doesn't use Surrey Su, Anakin doesn't know
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what to do or Vader doesn't know what to do.
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Like it's it's so awesome and so sad at the same time.
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I actually kind of love that you keep saying Anakin and then
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correcting with Vader because. It's so appropriate for this
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battle because he like there is that moment right where he has
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the red, fades to blue, fades back to red, and it's, it's
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Hayden's voice, then it's James Earl Jones's voice and then back
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to it, you know, and it's this struggle.
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I mean, we see it externally, but obviously it's an internal
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struggle that Vader is going through because he's faced for
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the first time, literally face to face.
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You can count the the fire glass.
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But that was him just being a bitch, right.
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And there was no, yeah, there was no emotional exchange.
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There was no apology. There was no I am not your
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failure, you know, that sort of thing.
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They had to face what happened. And it's so funny because Obi
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Wan uses that moment in this duel to apologize.
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Anakin. And I also, I say Anakin uses
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that moment to, I don't want to say.
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Go on the defensive. But he kind of does.
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He uses that moment to like exude some sort of control.
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And I know the reason he has to because if he acknowledges
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anything that happened that he made a choice that day, every
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decision he did from Palpatine and and Mace Windu forward was
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his choice, right? If he had to face that, that
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would be the probably the biggest pain besides losing
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Padme. He's not going to do it.
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But Obiwan faces that pain and apologizes to him.
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I'm sorry for all of it, for leaving him there, for the the
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collapse of their friendship, the collapse of everything they
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believed in the order. I think when Obiwan says I'm
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sorry for all of it, he's actually saying I'm sorry that
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all of it was for nothing. That you were drugged into this
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the way I'm sorry that you ended up like this and ended up in
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this position. Almost as if he's saying I'm
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sorry I didn't do more. To prevent this, which in the
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Revenge of the Sith duel, Anakin is in control the entire he and
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he incites it. He challenges him, he pushes for
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pushes on on, always on the offensive.
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And I just love the vulnerability that Obi Wan shows
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in the Kenobi show duel. He's a hell of a fucking
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fighter, right? There is no question he comes
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out. Fuck it, swing it and it
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awesome. The rocks.
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The slice across the head, the final punch to the breathing
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apparatus. He went for all of the weak
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points. But in that moment he still
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apologized. He saw his friend and it like,
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broke him. It's so fucking wonderful.
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So we have this like, climactic. I'll wrap this up real fast,
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people. Just a passionate about this.
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Lauren has good things to talk about, and I'm over here waxing
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poetic but like. No, it's good.
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I like. It's just the it's the
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emotional. It's like Obi Wan comes full
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circle and accepts it and Anakin doesn't.
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That's the difference between a hero and a villain.
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Yes, and wow, it's amazing. OK, that's the end of my.
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The end of my platform speech here.
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No, I just there are there's so much that I I have written down
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the dovetails into all that you were.
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Just let's hear it. I'm going to stop talking.
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No, no, it's good. It's like the lighting keeps
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switching right and and on both of their faces there's more red
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and then there's more blue, but there's always like a little bit
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of both. Until Anakin says you didn't
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kill Anakin Skywalker, his face turns all blue.
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And then he says I did and it starts to turn red again.
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And then after that it's pure red.
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And then only one has neither color.
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He becomes neutral. He's not red or blue anymore,
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he's just free. Yeah, it's such.
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Such a deliberate choice and it ties into everything you're just
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saying of the acceptance and letting the burden go.
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And also the this ties into it too when Anakin breaks the
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ground and. Yes, balls.
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And he throws all the rocks on him and how we've talked about
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in the past how that's just in like representative of the
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burdens that he's. Waiting carries.
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Yes, crushing him. And then it kind of occurs to me
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this time that he throws all that back at Anakin.
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I love it. Yes.
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Yes. It's not only does he throw it
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off of himself and like blows the shit out of it and gets up
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out of the the hole, but then he picks everything up and just
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throws it all back at Anakin and it's like you've put all these
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burdens on me. What about you?
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Can you face it? And like you said, he can't?
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No. He cannot.
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It's so, Oh my God, it's just so good.
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The sequence is just very deliberate, and the more I
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analyzed it, the more I realized, like every decision is
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so purposeful. It's really to me that is like
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the most rewarding kind of stuff to watch.
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It's registering subconsciously with us.
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But then when you dive, when you dive in and you see, oh, this is
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so meaningful, it's. Well, I was thinking about how
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you mentioned. On Mustafa, there's all this
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fire, and it's so red and orange and black, and the two little
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glimmers of blue from their lightsabers.
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And then this. Everything is dark and Gray and
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black, and it's the two glimmers of lightsabers, but it's the one
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is now red. And it's.
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It's quite sad, but there is that like dominant color as the
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base and then the emphasis is the two, those two and I like, I
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like that. It's sad.
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It's it's so good. And even there's that shot.
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There's like a long shot of after Anakin's down on his
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knees. Obiwan is kind of standing in
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his defensive pose, and behind them are pillars that are the
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like similar representation. There's a tall one behind Obiwan
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and a short half, like cut in half.
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One version behind Anakin, and it's just even the environment.
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You know it's representative of their positions.
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It's. Well, it Harkins back a little
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bit to the mortise arc where they're in that arena.
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Yes, I. Mean minus Asoka and a couple of
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birds you know they're and one very distraught father I guess.
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But like in an arena of sorts where the force is being
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manipulated in in a good and bad way.
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It's. Anakin, you saw this.
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If I could turn back to what you didn't see.
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Behind one of the pillars was Cher poking her head out, like
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is now my moment. Star Wars would be very
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different. Be more like a burlesque movie.
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Is that a Cher movie? I kind of want someone to make
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the edit. What?
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What is it? The Empire strips back, you
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know. Hey, I'm going to that next
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week, everybody. Are you going next week?
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We talk about going to. We have tickets my boyfriend and
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I are going to Empire Strips Back and I will let everyone
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know how fucking ridiculous it is.
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I. Can't wait.
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Report back. I shall.
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So what else do you have? Because I know you got notes
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upon notes upon notes. I do.
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I have a lot. I have a lot.
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There's just there's so many things.
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One of the things I really love is when everyone falls down in
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that pit that Anakin creates. It is almost identical framing
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to The Phantom Menace. Oh, oh, oh.
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I never thought of that. So it's He falls down, you know,
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into the pit and looks up. And there's mall standing right
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where Vader is standing. Oh.
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Shit, he's probably thinking himself.
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I've been here before. Right.
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And I was thinking like Vader should be a little more nervous.
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He shouldn't stand there. Well, you know, you had to get
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the high ground. Shit, he just had to.
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He had to. Well.
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Speaking. Of the high ground.
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Yes. So.
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Obiwan's final blow, like across the helmet, comes from the high
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ground. I know it does.
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Off a rock and has to get some high ground, but I like that.
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It's like the opposite of what happens in Revenge of the Sin.
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He's the one jumping. Yes, and still has the
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advantages. Doesn't matter.
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He's one of the smartest dualists out of any of the Jedi,
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I have to say it, and I'm trying not to be biased, but.
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He just is. We see it over 2 Siths.
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Everybody too. I would.
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I would love a what if seeing him do old Palpatine?
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I would really enjoy that. I think it'd be cool.
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He would probably not win, but I would still like to see it
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because he probably get some good blows in there before.
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I think that's an interesting question slash comment slash
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scenario because we should examine that because I'm torn.
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I don't think he would win because if there's anyone who's
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2 steps ahead of someone, it's pelps.
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Yes, yeah. And Yoda was pretty fucking
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strong in and of himself. He handled that man pretty well
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for for his age, for his stature.
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You know all the things that you would normally think of as being
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hindrances in a fight of that manner.
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No, he didn't let it hinder him it he used it to his advantage,
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which is also a smart fighter. True, but also.
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Yoda hasn't fought that many cysts in recent years, at least
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compared to Obiwan, who has fought mall multiple times.
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Savajo Press and Akin Vader. Yeah yeah, Ventris if you Yeah,
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Grievous. I saw a sticker with Grievous
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and all it said underneath was asthma and I kind of loved it.
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It's like, if you know, you know, if anyone else saw that
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who isn't a Star Wars fan, I would be like, what is that and
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who is that? But I loved.
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It it's accurate. It's.
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Very. It is accurate.
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OK, some other fun stuff I noticed in the cinematography.
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After Obiwan breaks Anakin's helmet and he's on his knees,
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the angle they film him at is identical to Revenge of the
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Sith. So Anakin's down, He's like
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looking up at Obi Wan and it's yeah.
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Yeah, so it's like Obiwan is seeing him again down at the
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parallels. The worlds are repeating
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themselves. The thing I really like though
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is there's a huge difference in the way they're filmed.
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After that point, when they start speaking to each other,
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they're in these closeups where it's really close on both of the
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the characters faces, and that indicates a more personal,
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emotional thing going on, where even though it was very personal
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and Revenge of the Sith, the Galaxy was at stake.
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You know the Jedi, we're at stake.
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And now this is just between these two men.
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And so we're getting much more of a close up.
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And then there's the cinematography technique that
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they're using where they never are in the frame together, and
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the only ones on the right looking left, Anakins on the
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left looking right, but they're never together.
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And when a scene is filmed that way.
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It means the characters could never agree.
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They can never get on the same page and come to terms.
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Yeah, makes sense. Right up-to-the-minute they walk
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away, they're not framed together.
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They cannot. They're just like, never gonna
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be there again. It brings me back to the quote I
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said I would reread from the last episode, which is the
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Revenge of the Sith novelization, and I said I was
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going to reread this because it works right now in this
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instance. From what you're describing, and
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the quote is this, this was not Sith against Jedi.
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This was not light against dark or good against evil.
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It had nothing to do with duty or philosophy, religion or
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morals. It was Anakin against Obi Wan
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personally. Just the two of them and the
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damage they had done to each other.
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And just like the stalagmite stalactite stalagmite, One's up
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and one down, OK? Stalagmite goes up, I believe.
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So the drip, drip, drip piling on over the years, there was
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still harm done and probably more so on Anakin side.
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Since Obi Wan was kind of out of the loop of whether or not he
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lived or died, it was still there.
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Not only was this scene, this dual closure for every fan out
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there, but it was closure for these two characters.
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Just like this quote says, Obi Wan knew there was in the end
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only one answer for the attachment and he had to let it
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go. Same thing here, he had to let
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it go and this time he had to let go of.
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A new set of past, past hurts, wrongdoings, things that have
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changed, things that were no longer.
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I mean, that was all part of the Revenge of the Sith.
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This was brand new. Now we're talking like this is
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sat for a while. Yeah.
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And for Obi Wan to do his duty to Luke and lay at this point,
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he had to let this this whole thing go as well.
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And at this point, he's got no one to answer to but himself.
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That's right. And that's freeing.
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Yeah, I mean, like he obviously, like you said, he's got his
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responsibilities to Luke and Leia, but he's not answering to
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a Jedi council anymore. So he he doesn't have to let it
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go. It's his personal choice because
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he is a Jedi, like he counsellor, not whether or not
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the Jedi exists anymore, he can't not be who he is.
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Like Obi Wan Kenobi and Jedi are just one and the same, you know?
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And even though he cut himself off from the Force, look how
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powerful he is coming. Back after years of not using
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it, he's more powerful than ever.
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A crack and a dam. Yeah.
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Oh my God, yes. And like the way he anticipates
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Anakin and uses Anakin's moves against him, moves that he
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hasn't done in what? How long has it been?
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10 years? Yeah.
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It's crazy. It's awesome.
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It's one more reason why he's my favorite fucking character.
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The whole thing with the rocks on top of him and thinking about
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Leia and Luke and his purpose. Shedding all of that, letting it
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go, like you said, literally flinging the weight off of him,
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allowed him to really tap into his true strength in the Force.
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He you have to face this stuff in life.
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You have to face this tough, difficult shit head on for you
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to get through it. And it's, I'll tell you from
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experience, it sucks. It hurts, but it will.
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You come out the other end. You're even more powerful than
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ever. And Obi Wan in shedding that all
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of this hurt, all of this connection to the past.
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Even though he cut himself off from the Force, he came back
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stronger than ever and with a clear mind.
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Going forward to help Luke. You know, it's so beautiful.
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It's it's actually beautiful. It is.
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I'm very passionate about this. It goes beyond Star Wars.
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That's why this is such an example and.
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All of the stories we've heard from our our listeners who have
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told us that they've moved through pain, that they've moved
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through challenges and shed the rocks, so to speak, and came out
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the other side brand new. I mean, it's it, This is this.
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It goes well beyond Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship.
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It's a beautiful metaphor for life.
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I agree. I think it's why it resonates so
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much with so many people all over the world.
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It's a universal truth. Yeah, we've all got a little bit
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of. Oh God, I have to tread
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carefully. We all have a little bit of
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Anakin in us, and we all have a little bit, and we all got a
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little bit of Obi Wan in us. What I'm trying to say is we
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have a little bit of darkness in us, and we have a little bit of
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lightness in us. We got a little bit of Sith, we
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got a little bit of Jedi, but we got to move in the way of the
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light. Even though there's that
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darkness, I mean, you can't have one without the other.
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We've talked about it, you know. Why?
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Why would you want to live, you know, in that, that dark,
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burdened place? What did you say you said
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something like? Being angry and seeking revenge
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never hurts the person that is directed towards.
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It hurts the the person carrying it and holding on to it far
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more. It's the it's the Rose example.
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If you you hold on to a rose and the tighter you clutch.
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The stem, the harder that thorn is going to go into your hand.
26:29
But the moment you release your grip and let it go and and
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release, it no longer hurts. So let go of that pain.
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Let go of whatever it is that you're clinging to so tightly
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because you're afraid to lose it.
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Does she love that It's Palpatine has to tell Vader to
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loosen his grip. He's like, I feel like you're a
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bit distracted. Everyone needs reminded.
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Even, even. I mean, he's still one track
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minded. He's still one track minded
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after he goes after every Jedi. He's just so goddamn focused.
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And that's the way Anakin was. He was so like he couldn't
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compartmentalize anything. It was just one, one thing, one
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goal, one. You gotta expand, bro.
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Obiwan was the opposite. He was always better at seeing
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the bigger picture, and this is I think, why he's so successful
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when he Revenge of the Sith was a struggle for sure.
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And I know the Kenobi duel was probably a bit of a struggle,
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but he seemed to be managing it and controlling it almost from
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the very beginning when he says I will do what I must.
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Oh yeah. Well, that whole thing there.
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That was hot as hell. But also, I believed him in that
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moment. It wasn't like in Revenge of the
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Sith where he he says it, but you're like this.
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This could end badly for either one of them in the Kenobi
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series. When he said that, I was like,
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he's going to handle this just fine, It's going to suck.
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It's going to be hard to watch, but it just felt like Obi Wan
28:03
was in control the whole time. Except for a few moments where
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Vader thought he had the upper hand.
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But the way that Obi Wan conquered that fear and that the
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burdens made him more, even more powerful.
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It was just so fucking fun, honestly.
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Yeah, and people have asked why didn't Obi Wan kill Vader then?
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He wasn't an unarmed man at this point.
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He wasn't even his best friend. That was.
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We're well, well past that. I don't think it would have
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mattered. Palpatine would have found
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someone else and things would have gone on just the way they
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always did. When everything happens in its
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right time, right? Like if Obi Wan had killed
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Bader, then how would Luke's path have been different in the
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original trilogy? You know it would have changed a
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lot of things. Do you think that?
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There was a glimmer of hope even still in Obi Wan, thinking that
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maybe, just maybe, Anakin could still fulfill the destiny of the
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the Chosen one, bring balance, etcetera.
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Do you ever, do you ever think he considered that?
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Or do you think it was just a done deal and that the that qui
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gone and the prophecy and the whole thing was just a was just
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a forget it. I don't think he did have a
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glimmer of hope. I think that what he says in A
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New Hope when he's talking about he's more machine now the man he
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really doesn't have much compassion for Henneken inside
29:27
that suit quote UN quote AM Air. Corps.
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Really. Nor should he.
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Right. I mean, he said he's he's dead,
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basically. My friend is dead and I think
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that when mall even finds him on tattooing, Mall asks.
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Is he the chosen one, meaning Luke, and right one says he is.
29:47
So I I think he's given up on Anakin being alive or
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salvageable and has moved his hopes on to just protecting Luke
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and giving Luke the best chance of bringing balance again to the
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Force quote. I agree.
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I I agree with all of that, yeah.
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I don't think he had a glimmer because the minute he saw that
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Anakin was. Well, you're my friend is dead
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then when he says that, you know he believed that.
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Yeah. And then the, you know, the
30:13
cinematic language indicates that he had let go of the idea
30:17
completely. When he, his coloring becomes
30:20
neutral, basically. As my mother said, my God, why
30:28
is this so sad? Because, mom, it's Star Wars.
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But it's beautiful. It's beautiful too.
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You got to. Through all of this, we have
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individuals like Obi Wan who give us the strength to remember
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that you can still go on, do good and move forward.
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What's better than that, right? Yeah, everyone.
30:56
I mean, shit. Vader gets his chance, turns,
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turns into the Papa of the year, and.
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Dumps Palpatine down a trash chute, essentially a electric
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chute, and saves his son. I mean, it's everyone is
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afforded the ability to change, but some are just exemplary, Oh
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no exemplary examples. They're they're just perfect
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examples of what we aspire to be every day.
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And that is Obi Wan with his hair.
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Dig it right there. All right.
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Our question is, which of the two duels, the Revenge of the
31:44
Sith or the Kenobi series duel is your favorite and why?
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Listeners stories about how Star Wars has helped them through a
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difficult period. We did a bunch of few episodes
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ago. I want to say what was it 2-3
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episodes ago? And we're going to do the
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remainder that we got. We got so many we couldn't do
32:09
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