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Y&T Discography Deep Dive: An Album-By-Album Journey [Episode 206] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  They had the potential to cross over to top forty radio. They did it
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  all, and they did it all very well, and they remain sort of
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  a treasure for those in the know. People that know about Why and T
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  tend to know them very well. And then some people might know the name
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  and they might think of them as a one hit wonder, which makes sense
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  from a chart point of view. And then some people just don't know who
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  you're talking about. They'll you say the name and they're like, what what
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  what? Why what are you saying? So it was a foregone conclusion that
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  if I was ever going to write a book about one band, chances are
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  the first thing I came out with would be whyan T. We're totally booked
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  rock and roll. I mean, I'll leave you do you're reading little hands
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  to through booked on rock dot Com. Author Tim Darling is back as promised.
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  Last time we talked about his book Unspooled, an Adventure in eight tracks.
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  You can hear that one on episode two oh five. For episode two
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  oh six, we have Tim here to talk about his book down for the
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  count the Yant album review. This is an album by album look at the
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  recorded studio output of one of hard rock's best kept secrets, Yant. A
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  playlist of Yant can be found on the show notes page. Tim Drling has
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  returned as promised. We would not lie to you. Tim, hey man,
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  welcome back. It's good to see you again. It's been such a
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  long time. You look one know, it seems like forever, right,
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  Yeah, So we promised to have you back on the first one was for
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  the Unspooled book, which we had a blast talking about. Now let's get
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  to let's get to some Y and T, which this is cool for me.
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  I'm not a well now I am wasn't a huge YE and T fan
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  going in. I knew about a song or too. There you go.
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  I knew about a song or two from the band, and now I'm realizing
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  why you are such a fan. This is a this is an outstanding band,
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  and I wanted to get into some of the songs and the albums and
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  the amazing musicianship. So let's get to all that first, though, Let's
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  talk about when did you become a fan? How did you become a fan?
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  Well, you just summed it up right there. The reason that I
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  did this book, Eric, I mean, I always thought for a while
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  that for a while, since I got into the band, that all people
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  that are into this type of hard rock music need to do is hear them,
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  you know. So I got into the band in nineteen nine, and
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  that was when they released their ten album, which was the second one they
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  put up for Geffen, and I caught the video for Don't Be Afraid of
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  the Dark, which was the first single they put out, and it's a
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  fantastic, like mid tempo ballad. And I'd heard of Y and T and
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  i'd heard Summertime Girls, but this when I Don't be Afraid of the Dark,
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  I was like, this is just right up my alley. This is
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  the type of music I like. And I remember so busily. It was
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  break the end of Grade ten, you know, summer was just about to
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  get underway, and I thought, Okay, here's a band that i've heard
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  about on the periphery. It's time to get into Y and T. And
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  that summer I found everything I could find from them, and I just got
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  completely hooked on the band. And were they playing their songs on the radio
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  where you're from in Canada? Not at all, not at all, name
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  here, just summertime girls here in the US. One time I the video
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  on Much Music on Canada's MTV was probably the one time it got played.
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  There was a we had, you know MTV at head Bangers Ball. Much
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  Music had a show called the Power Hour, same idea hard rocket metal,
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  and that's where I happened to catch the Yant video and I recorded it on
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  a videotape and watched it over and over and over again. And it went
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  from there and that summer, like I just went full on into this band.
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  And for years I didn't know other than friends of mine that I kind
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  of turned on to them. I didn't know anybody that had even heard of
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  the band, never mind were into them. It was a long time.
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  Let's talk about the history of the band. So they're from San Francisco,
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  Yeah, in San Francisco Bay Area. They formed in nineteen seventy four,
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  so it's actually their fiftieth anniversary now. And the original lineup, as far
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  as you know on record, was Dave Menachetti. Dave is the lead vocalist
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  and the lead guitar player, Phil Kennamore bassed player and background vocalist and co
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  lead vocalists. Sometimes Joey Alves was like dedicated rhythm guitar. He would do
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  the occasionally, but mostly he just stuck to the rhythm and drummer Leonard Hayes.
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  That was the original Y and T lineup that people got to know.
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  Unfortunately, you know, the crazy thing is about time. Dave Menichetti's the
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  last man standing that the other three guys have all passed away over the years.
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  So that lineup was intact that Their first album was self titled, came
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  out in nineteen seventy six. Originally they were called Yesterday and Today. The
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  full name was printed out, named after Beatles album, so that name lasted
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  for their first album in seventy six and their second album seventy eight called Struck
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  Down and those two albums came out on London Records, which kind of went
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  under as the second album was just coming out, so it was another three
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  years before people heard from them again. They they had already sort of made
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  a name for themselves in the San Francisco Bay area and then also playing places
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  like Bizzari's and the Whiskey at Go Go, and bands like Quiet Riot and
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  Doken and Rat all cut their teeth going to see Yant. You know,
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  it's never been talked about much, but I think Van Halen as well.
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  Yeah, I was gonna ask, Yeah, that was you know, there
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  was a definite All these bands were playing in that circuit and Yant were doing
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  it early. Even Lars Alrich has stated that when he first moved from Denmark
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  to California, he was a fan of Yesterday Today and he would go and
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  see them underage play, So definitely an influential band. They signed with the
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  A and M Records and that's when they sort of had their most successful period
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  between eighty one and eighty five. So they put Earthshaker out in eighty one,
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  Black Tiger and eighty two. Their first album to chart in eighty three
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  was main Street. The title song from that, one of their better known
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  songs. Their biggest album was nineteen eighty four in Rock We Trust. Almost
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  went gold, and I've said many times if Universal did not it, it
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  might be a gold record. Now peaked at forty six on Billboard. It
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  was the biggest selling album. Next year they put out the single Summertime Girls,
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  that became their most successful single. That peaked at number fifty five on
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  Billboard. So it got a lot of top forty stations playing it, just
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  not enough to crack into the top forty. The video got a lot of
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  plan on MTV. Unfortunately, I've said that, I say this a lot.
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  I don't think A and M were that great label when it comes to
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  hard rock and heavy metal. I don't think they knew what to do with
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  this band. So then they signed to Geffen Records, which on the surface
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  seemed like a good move. It certainly worked for White Snake, it worked
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  for Aerosmith, didn't work for Yant. They did two records on Geffen.
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  They did Contagious in nineteen eight and as I said before, Ten in nineteen
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  ninety, and by that time, you know, when it became apparent the
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  ten wasn't going to be a big hit, they decided to knock it on
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  the head. So I'll talk about the lineup changes real quick between A and
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  M and Geffen. So around nineteen eighty six, Leonard Hayes left and he
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  was replaced by a drummer that a lot of people know, the name Jimmy
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  DeGrasso. Jimmy went on to play with Alice, Megadeth, with Suicidal Tennesse,
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  He's Black Star Riders, you know, he's Leader Ford. He's played
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  with a lot of different groups. So then Joey Alves rhythm guitar left and
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  then he was replaced by Steph Burns. So that was the lineup that did
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  the ten album and their final you know what, they called their farewell tour.
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  The hiatus only lasted about four years and then they were back in that
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  lineup. They did a couple of independent albums in the mid to late nineties,
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  Musically Incorrect and Endangered Species, a lot of touring. The lineup was
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  revamped in I want to See around two thousand and three. Sometime around there
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  in the process, Dave Menichetti had put in a couple of solo records,
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  but Steph Burns left, they got john Nyman now. John Nyman was a
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  longtime friend of the band. He'd known them forever. He's a Berry,
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  a guitar player. He got starred his major label Start, was part of
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  Eric Martin's band for Mister Big when he was a solo artist. So John
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  joined the band and Leonard Hayes was eventually eventually left or was asked believe whatever.
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  He was replaced by a guy named Mike vander Yuel. And since after
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  that, I'm trying to think what the next thing was. Oh, so
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  you had the two main guys, Dave Menichetti, lead singer, league guitar
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  player and bassist Cope Kennimore. They were like the Paul and Jean of Yat.
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  It was always those two guys, and they changed like second guitar player
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  and drummer Till Kenemore sadly passed away from cancer in twenty eleven. He was
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  replaced by Gunning brad Lang. Brad played with a bunch of different people.
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  He used to be in a man called Jet Red. I think nowadays he's
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  with the Bullet Boys, and he didn't last. He lasted a few years.
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  Then he was replaced by Aaron Lee, and that's the lineup. Today
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  is Dave Menichettie john Nyman, Aaron Lee, Mike Vanderhuel. They're still touring
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  so far. The last album they put out was an album called Face Melter
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  in twenty ten. And I just think that they should have been everybody as
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  big as Van Halen, Maybe not as big as Van Halen, okay,
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  but as big as Rat, as big as Motley, as big as mid
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  that level of band. They should have been a band that could sell millions
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  and millions of albums. I think they had the potential to cross over to
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  a metal audience, old school medal, they had the potential to cross over
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  to top forty radio. They did it all, and they did it all
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  very well, and they remain sort of a treasure for those in the know.
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  People that know about Why and T tend to know them very well.
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  And then some people might know the name and they might think of them as
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  a one hit wonder, which makes sense from a chart point of view.
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  And then some people just don't know who you're talking about. You say the
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  name of They're like what what? Why? What are you saying? I
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  ran into that a lot when I was in school, so it was a
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  foregone conclusion that if I was ever going to write a book about one band,
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  chances are the first thing I came out with would be Yan T.
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  Wow, because I've never ever been a book about them ever. Yeah,
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  this is the first book ever on the band as far as I know.
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  As far as I know, people have asked me that a lot, and
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  I said, look, we may find out someday that they put out,
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  you know, a book in Japan in nineteen eighty five, because they were
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  fairly big in Japan. But I don't think so. No one has come
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  to me and say, you know, actually there was a Y and T
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  book. But either way, there wasn't one point like this. I just
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  don't think there was one. I think this is the only one. There
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  have been books that mentioned them, but I think this is the only one
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  that's dedicated to them. And Manichettia that name was familiar to me through guitar
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  magazines. I think he was well respected is well respected among the guitar community.
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  And it's also fair to compare them. Would they be like America's version
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  of UFO, because UFO in the UK is that similar situation where how come
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  they didn't get bigger than they were UFO's got a huge following in an outstanding
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  band. You know what, I'm not savvy on UFO. I'm not familiar.
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  I mean I know like like Sound and a couple other songs, but
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  I do know that they are a well respected band. And yeah, in
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  the UK they were fairly big Finn Lizzie too, Lizzy's one. Yeah,
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  although Lizzy had those big they had a few big hit singles. Ryne t
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  has won Summertime Girls, but it's it is similar. Yeah, Yeah,
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  one of hard rock's best kept secrets. Absolutely they are. And you know
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  a lot of people too. If you grew up in the eighties and you
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  were really into the hard rock and metal scene, you'll also know Dave from
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  the here in eight song Stars after Ronnie James Dio, Dave's the first voice
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  you hear on that song sometimes in the night, when you're feeling the cold,
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  that's Dave Menachettie. He sings on that song. He sings some great
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  ad libs at the end. Ronnie James. People in the industry knew Ronnie
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  James, dial knew he was great. D Sneyder knew he was great.
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  They got all kinds of opening good opening slots, special guest slots, like
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  they toured with the biggest of names in this genre. They just never cracked.
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  They just never cracked completely through. And I have to think that it
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  was record label maybe some bad, bad record label decisions, and they didn't
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  really have what you'd call high powered management. It was just sort of like
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  local. They were managed by named Scott Bore for years. Who I'm sure
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  he was a great guy. He figures in on, you know, the
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  production of some of their albums. But you know, if they'd have been
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  managed by say Q Prime or you know who else, you know, Doc
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  McGee, you know, any of the big name managers that can sort of
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  the movers and shakers in that world, you know, they might have they
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  might have had something. And then there is the case of maybe the name
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  was a little confusing, you know. So what happened after those first two
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  albums. They gained a pretty big following in their you know, home area,
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  the Bay Area and surrounding, and then in other pockets in the US,
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  but mostly it was like a you know, a Bay Area thing.
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  But their fans would always chant Wyant. They always shortened the name. So
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  when they signed A and M Records, they just decided to go with the
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  shortened version of the name, and I think it does ever ring ring to
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  it. They came up with a cool logo for it, but you know,
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  it might have caused some confusion. People might have thought, well,
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  what is that duo? Or is it what does it stand for? What
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  kind of music we did? Yeah, but so the big discussion among fans
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  is like, well was it management was at the record label. And what
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  we keep coming back to is because it wasn't the music. The music was
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  exactly what it should have been, and they should have There are places where
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  they could have broken through. At so many points in their career. You
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  know, there was a slow, slow, slow build, and A and
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  M Records, you know they Yeah, they put out the ads, they
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  put out the promo singles, they did these things. But when in Rock
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  We Trust came out, this is nineteen eighty four, I mean, this
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  is the perfect time for this sort of music. This is when Rat and
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  Scorpions and Autograph we're having top forty singles, where a few years ago it
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  was unheard of for bands that had heavy disordered guitars to have any kind of
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  top radio success, top forty radio success. So here comes Yant with their
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  most accessible album yet and it struggles to hit forty six and it's estimated it
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  sold about four hundred and fifty thousand copies in its first run in the state,
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  So people that don't know, five hundred thousand is gold status and that
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  should have broken them through. So then by the time Summertime Girls came out,
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  Summertime Girls should have done for Yant what Jump did for Van Halen.
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  Yes, it was a song, it was uber poppy. It really didn't
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  represent them. It was very keyboarding. But then Jump was quite a departure
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  for Van Halen. I'm not saying it would have been a number one song,
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  but I'm saying it should have done better than it did. And unfortunately,
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  because it was the only song to garner any amount of airplay, there's
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  probably people that think, well, that's probably what their music tends to sound
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  like. It's not. They don't even have a keyboard player in the band.
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  Looked on podcasts. We'll be back after this. Now here's a name
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  that's very familiar and I already mentioned this to you while we weren't recording last
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  time. Hugh Sime does the artwork for your book? How did you get
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  him to do this? Hugh sign? For those who may not know Rush
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  fans know who he is. Oh yeah, here's an award winning graphic artist
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  who has worked with pretty much everybody in the business album covers, did so
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  many great album covers. Yeah, how'd you get him? It's pretty mind
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  blowing to this day, you know, because yeah, Wyant and Rush are
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  probably my two favorite bands, you know, and Hugh started working with Rush
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  from the Crest of Steel album onward. So it's only the first two Rush
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  albums that he didn't do the artwork for every tour book, every home video,
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  posters, all you sign artwork. He's the guy. He's the Rush
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  artwork guy. He is what Rushed, you know, like Roger Dean is
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  to. Yes, you know, it's a very distinctive style, but you
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  also branched out and he's you know, he's done print ads, he's done
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  TV, he's done all kinds of different things. But you know, people
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  that are into our genre, hard rock and metal, I can list off
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  a ton of val I bet you anybody watching this you've got at least one
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  album in your music collection that you Sime did a cover for. I don't
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  care Bon Jovi New Jersey, bon Jovi New Jersey, which very much was
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  inspired by the White Snake nineteen eighty seven album cover White Snake, Slip of
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  the Tongue, The covered the Old Page album White Snake, Restless Heart,
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  Aerosmith, Get a Grip that doesn't really look like a Hugh Sime cover,
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  but it is. Kiss, Revenge, Megadeth, Countdown to Extinction, Euthanasia,
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  Iron Mate, and The X Factor, Queen's Wright Promised Land Here,
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  The Now Frontier, The Sign of the Times compilation Man Tesla Busted Not is
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  a used Time cover water Stick it to you. No, No, I
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  don't. It's on Wikipedia. I always maybe I don't know that that one
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  didn't. But yeah, I mean he definitely worked. He did Cherry Pie,
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  he did Great White Hooked. You're helping me think of a few more.
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  We'll just let me look at my collection here. Uh yeah, I
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  just quickly went to Wikipedia. Revenge, which one Night Ranger, What Man
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  in Motion? Yeah, Kiss Revenge. Yeah, so you know, Kiss
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  fans tend to know who did everything, So yes, that's a name.
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  Uh. And he started working with Dream Theater in about two thousand and five,
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  and I think he's done everything for them since then, which kind of
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  makes sense because Dream Theater is sort of like the modern day I mean,
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  they're not modern now that they were sort of like the modern day Rush when
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  they came out Mega Death. He did the count out to Extinction and this
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  is interesting the band he did the ninety three album by the band Jericho.
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  I mean he's he's a Canadian, right, He's Canadian by way of England,
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  but he grew up in England. Yeah, okay, so you signed
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  you Simon did do the cover for to Take It to you? Yep?
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  Yeah, I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have thought that was a sign because
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  usually you look at enough of them and you go, you can kind of
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  tell. Yeah, he did the Bacon Brothers, Kevin Bacon and his brother
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  two thousand and ones. Can't complain. He's got a lot of Canadian acts
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  that people in the States might not be aware of, like Max Webster,
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  Kim Mitchell, Honeymoon's Sweet Helix. Even if it was just one album,
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  that the fact is that you probably got something that you signed design in your
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  in your Yeah, alcohol, So what's happened? So I'll tell you.
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  I'm take forever to get to anything that's okay that but I am so I'm
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  passionate about this and it's this was such a such an adventure because I never
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  thought this would, uh, you know, end up happening as far as
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  the cover. But the first person I reached out to as far as art
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  directors were concerned, was another name people will recognize. I think John Taylor,
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  dismutes. John Taylor just makes has a really distinct style. He did
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  Keel the Right to Rock in the Final Frontier, Uh, he did Lynch
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  Mob Wicket Sensation, he did Winger in the Heart of the Young, and
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  he did the best the probably the visually the best known Y and T albums,
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  Black Tiger, Mean Streak and in Rock We Trust Right in a Row.
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  Those all have a very distinctive look to them, and I think they're
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  just like especially Black Tiger and Mean Streak. I think that those are just
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  the coolest looking album covers. I reached out to him just to see if
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  I could get some stories from him, and I never heard back, and
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  just on a whim, I reached out to you Sign because Hugh Sime designed
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  the cover for Contagious. He did uh, he did a lot of work
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  for Geffen and John Kalodner. That's how he ended up working for White Snake.
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  He did, he did the last Black and Blue album in Heat.
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  Yeah. Yeah. He ended up working a lot with with Geffen and with
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  John Kalodner, and and and Contagious was another one of those projects. So
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  and lo and behold he emailed me back, which I was never expecting.
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  And I'm just trying to keep it cool, right, This is Hugh Sign.
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  This is a big like He's like a as far as designers go.
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  He's like a rock star in the design world because I've got so many examples
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  of his artwork. Oh yes, and uh so, all I wanted to
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  ask him was what he remembered about working on that album, because I know
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  that, you know, these designers, it's their job. They don't necessarily
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  have to like the band they're working for. They don't have to necessarily know
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  anything about their music. Here's you got a band, you know, this
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  is the kind of music they do. This is what they want to call
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  the album go you know? And uh so with Contagious, if people don't
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  know what it looks like, it's basically like someone through a vial or a
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  you know, a test tube. Of something, you know, some sort
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  of liquid and it explodes and then it's got like a sun sunset underneath.
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  It's a really cool cover, really striking, and it's one of my favorite
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  uses of the Yant logo. It's all in gold and it just looks really
• 23:37
  cool. And basically he said that, you know, he didn't he mainly
• 23:42
  remember working with Kolowedner. He didn't remember so much working directly with the band.
• 23:48
  But I mean it would be hard. You've done hundreds and hundreds and
• 23:52
  hundreds of albums. I don't know how you can remember each one of them,
• 23:55
  you know, especially when they were just one offs, like one per
• 23:59
  band. It's like, yeah, I think maybe I did that one.
• 24:02
  I don't know. It's just another day's work. So we actually ended up
• 24:07
  having a phone conversation, which was, you know, a pretty big deal.
• 24:11
  And I'd heard him in interviews before, so I knew what he sounded
• 24:14
  like. He said, well, that's that's him that I'm talking to,
• 24:17
  And he could talk for hours about he's a musician in his own right,
• 24:22
  you know, but a lot of stories we're working with Rush and conversations to
• 24:26
  Neil Pier which was just like this is amazing. Yeah. And at a
• 24:30
  certain point Hugh said or asked me. He said, Tim, have you
• 24:33
  got anybody working on a cover for this book for you? And that took
• 24:40
  me completely by surprise. It was the Hugh Sign just asked if I wanted
• 24:45
  him to design the book covered Twilight Zone and I really had to end it.
• 24:52
  But but I really had to stress to him. I said, you
• 24:53
  that would be absolutely amazing. But it's not just low budget. It's no
• 25:00
  budget. I'm just me. I don't have a publisher or an agent or
• 25:04
  anything. And he said, well, think about it. It might be
• 25:07
  fun. And so that's when we had this phone conversation. Long story short,
• 25:12
  he made me a very generous offer. I'm sure that it was just,
• 25:15
  you know, like below minimum wage for a Hugh Sign project. But
• 25:22
  and I had an idea initially that I wanted to do something like what h
• 25:29
  did for Rush on their live album Exit Stage Left, which, for those
• 25:33
  that aren't into Rush, basically it reprises icons and images from the previous albums
• 25:37
  to that point and they're all, you know, and it's up to people
• 25:41
  to find them in the you know. But he had a really good point.
• 25:45
  He said, you're talking about you know Amazon. This is going to
• 25:49
  be through Amazon, because I told him that you're talking about thumbnails, right,
• 25:52
  you need something that will stand out. I said, you know what
• 25:55
  you're Hugh sign this is what the book's called, this is what it's on.
• 26:02
  Do your thing. And he came back to me with this gorgeous steampunk
• 26:08
  looking cover and my first reaction, the first thing I thought it was like,
• 26:15
  this looks like something he would do for Queen's Rike. This looks like
• 26:19
  Promised Land or here in the Now. Frontier has got those brown hues to
• 26:22
  it. I loved it. He's got the tea in the foreground, the
• 26:26
  today and the yesterday in the background. Just just amazing. And the really
• 26:32
  really cool thing about it, and I didn't notice this for quite a while,
• 26:34
  is that sitting on top of the tee is a beaker full of some
• 26:41
  sort of caustic liquidness steam coming off. Yeah. That's a nod to the
• 26:45
  contagious album cover that he designed. Oh man. So I'm like, that
• 26:51
  is perfect, perfect, wow. And there is no question that having Hugh
• 26:59
  Stime's name attached sold me some books. I know it did. I'm very
• 27:07
  proud of the inner contents, of course, but that name means something to
• 27:11
  people in our world. So I know people looked at that and go,
• 27:15
  you sign, Okay, this guy must be for real. Let's check it
• 27:18
  out. Yeah, yeah, that's how That's how that came down. It's
• 27:22
  pretty mind blowing. I mean to have email conversations with you sign. I
• 27:26
  haven't talked to him in a while, but I mean, you know,
• 27:29
  he he made a post about the book once it was out, and you
• 27:30
  know, he's very good a book promoting it and it just came out last
• 27:34
  summer I think, right was it? I came out in December? Oh
• 27:37
  that's right late, yeah, three okay, yeah, I think it was
• 27:42
  like last summer, May or June of last year. Yeah, last summer.
• 27:47
  It's like around September is when it appeared on Amazon. It had been
• 27:49
  out as a Kickstarter project for for two years at that point, but I
• 27:56
  didn't think that there were ever going to be any more copies of that one
• 28:00
  until I brought it back to it or brought it over to Amazon. But
• 28:03
  but yeah, Whyan the Wyant book was the first one to just strictly come
• 28:07
  out as an Amazon print to print to order, and it came out just
• 28:11
  perfectly, and one of the things that I love about it is unlike on
• 28:15
  school, this isn't full color because it just costs so much to make it
• 28:18
  full color. But the the way that black and white photos translate, they
• 28:26
  came out very very well. Yeah, and all of these everything you see
• 28:30
  in this book, but these are all from my own collection. Okay,
• 28:34
  all of these, the albums, the singles, you know, the home
• 28:37
  the DVDs, all of that stuff. It's all my stuff. And yeah,
• 28:44
  it was it was pretty uh, a pretty amazing prog process. I've
• 28:48
  met a lot of Y and T fans since doing this. I had a
• 28:51
  lot of cool people helped me with the book. Well, the forward Sean
• 28:55
  Kelly, i think is the same Sean Kelly who was on this podcast he
• 28:59
  had the book. Call it hair metal. Absolutely, I'm super super duper
• 29:03
  guy, fairly fairly off and that is a great book. I'm also a
• 29:08
  huge fan of Cody Atch. They're another unsung band that I just love and
• 29:14
  and he's their current guitar player. He plays with the Air and he's played
• 29:17
  with a ton of people. Yeah, he was telling me he was he
• 29:18
  was on one of those cruises with all the all these bands, Winger and
• 29:22
  yeah, you name it. Yeah, I just don't call it hair metal.
• 29:25
  I recommend anybody from our book. That summed up so much of what
• 29:29
  I've always thought about this type of music. But yeah, he was,
• 29:32
  he was great. He wrote a fantastic forward to it, and he told
• 29:33
  me, he said, man, I'm I was always kind of I was
• 29:37
  always aware of this band, but you've really got me checking out their albums
• 29:41
  now. And that's to me, that's the gratifying thing. And that's all
• 29:45
  I've ever tried to do since I got into this band, is like,
• 29:48
  if you like this band, in this band, in this band, you'll
• 29:51
  probably like yan t. You just got to hear them and and sometimes it
• 29:55
  takes somebody that you know the name to get you know, on Kelly Okay,
• 30:00
  cool, Martin pop Off, you know you've had another Martin pop Off
• 30:04
  talked about. I've got him on the chapters about the first three albums.
• 30:11
  Great. You know, he did great as usual. Pete Pardo from Sea
• 30:12
  of Tranquility is in here. Yeah, they're all part of this if you
• 30:17
  want to talk about that too. How the book is set up. You
• 30:19
  have a very list of writers and YouTubers and music fans offering their views on
• 30:25
  the catalog. This book is very much based on Martin's series of books that
• 30:30
  he calls album by Album, and they're panel books where you get a panel
• 30:34
  of people, however many people you want per album. You ask them all
• 30:38
  the same question and you get their answers, whether you do it via zoom
• 30:42
  or whether they type them out and send them to you, that's how you
• 30:45
  gather this content. And I really liked the Queen one that Martin did,
• 30:52
  the album by album I've read that. I don't know how many times I've
• 30:55
  got his Brush one too. He's got other ones, but those are the
• 30:56
  only two that I have. But I said, yeah, I can me
• 31:00
  doing something like that. And you know, Martin and I have talked a
• 31:04
  lot, and I asked him, I flat and asked him, you know,
• 31:08
  are you ever planning on doing Awaian t book? And he said no,
• 31:12
  I don't think so. He he did some of those little ye old
• 31:17
  metal like the ninety nine cent you know, audio books and stuff, and
• 31:22
  he really, you know, he really likes the first few albums, but
• 31:25
  he's not a big fan of like the commercial stuff. I'm a fan of
• 31:27
  all of it. And but he did say kind of like the Unschooled.
• 31:32
  He kind of planted the seed. He said, no, I wasn't planning
• 31:33
  a doing one, but somebody should. So I thought, okay. I
• 31:40
  mean it's like it's almost like all my years of being a fan prepared me
• 31:45
  for for doing this, and you know, already having a book under my
• 31:49
  belt. I'm like, I can do this. I can do I know
• 31:52
  that I can do a book, it's just how am I going to do
• 31:55
  this one? So I really went with that album by album. I just
• 31:57
  couldn't call it album by album. That's kind of his thing, and one
• 32:01
  of his publishers kind of they get a little territorial book the name. I
• 32:06
  said, that's okay. So we went back and forth, and Martin's actually
• 32:07
  the one that suggested Down for the Count, which is of course one of
• 32:10
  their albums, is not one of their you know, more highly looked upon
• 32:15
  albums, but as a title, it makes sense we're sort of we're not
• 32:17
  counting them down, but we're talking about each one. So, you know,
• 32:22
  Down for the Count the Yant album review. Well, so that he
• 32:25
  brings up a point that this is for me, it's the same experience,
• 32:30
  like now I'm listening to all of their music because of the book, so
• 32:32
  thank you for that. But he brings up something that maybe my favorite aspect
• 32:38
  of Y and T, especially those first two albums, which Martin is a
• 32:40
  fan of, the double bass pedal work of Leonard Hayes, like on that
• 32:46
  first on that first album self titled, it's not double bass, it's not
• 32:52
  it's a single bass pedal Leonard. That's even more impressive to they just had.
• 32:57
  He was just born and blessed with an incredible right, incredibly fast right
• 33:00
  foot, and he could do these really insane based with one foot. That's
• 33:07
  what he was known for in drum Circles a day is the one that you,
• 33:13
  oh, yeah, he'll do it. That's off that first album,
• 33:15
  super like insane insane drum Patterson. I got to tell you if you're interested
• 33:21
  in yan T and and thank you by the way for you know, finds
• 33:24
  about the book, but for anybody who's into YANT and wants to know more,
• 33:28
  yes, by the book, but go to the band's website and get
• 33:31
  yourself a copy of this on with the show on the documentary, this is
• 33:37
  the story of yan T. This is as complete as anything you could ever
• 33:43
  hope for I learned so much watching this, and I thought I knew a
• 33:45
  lot about this band. It's narrated by Eddie Trunk, and it is.
• 33:50
  If you combine the main documentary on Disc one with the the extra features that
• 33:54
  are on disc too, you've got hours and hours and hours of material.
• 33:59
  Well, Lenny Trunk's the one that that really championed UFO. That's how he
• 34:01
  became a UFO fan. Yeah, And to be honest with you, I've
• 34:06
  been trying to reach Eddie for months because I know he's such a fan.
• 34:09
  I just you know, you've ben to send him a book and get him
• 34:12
  to talk about it. But that's another story. But in this documentary they
• 34:19
  talked to Don Dawkin, Eric Martin, Frankie Hannon from Tesla, Sammy Hagar,
• 34:27
  Steve Smith from Journey. Jimmy's a fan, huh. Sammy's a yan
• 34:30
  T fan. I mean, like, so he's from the San fran area.
• 34:35
  And and if I had to describe wyan T Dave Benichetty, He's not
• 34:40
  a clone, but he kind of has a similar voice to Sammy, a
• 34:45
  similar set of pipes. That's the easiest comparison I could I could come up
• 34:49
  within the easiest band I can compare wyan t Is Van Halen in general because
• 34:53
  they kind of they're kind of this combination of like the David Lee Roth era
• 34:58
  music with a Sammy vocal. You know, Dave Can can can sing just
• 35:04
  about anything in the hard rock contest or context. He he can sing ballads,
• 35:08
  he can sing you know, more commercial minded material. He can sing
• 35:12
  heavy stuff like he's just lead guitar. Yes, that's you know what a
• 35:16
  talent. But and you noted how I think it's in the book. His
• 35:20
  voice got better as the albums I think so, Yeah, because he was
• 35:22
  the reluctant lead singer, right they they he thought, well, some we'll
• 35:27
  just get event we'll get a front man eventually. But event he just got
• 35:30
  better at it and better at it and and pretty soon yeah, okay,
• 35:34
  and that's you know, I don't know why it matters, but people have
• 35:37
  said, well, maybe that's the reason they didn't really break they didn't have
• 35:39
  a front man. Well, not every band has a front man. It
• 35:42
  certainly didn't hurt Cinderella. And there's a band with the lead singer that played
• 35:45
  lead guitar, So you never know who else is in the document Bobby Blatzer.
• 35:52
  Uh. Oh, there's so many people that that that. Oh uh
• 35:58
  uh. The drummer for from Saxon, Nigel Blockler. They talked to some
• 36:06
  of the producers that worked on the YT albums like Max Norman, Chris Sangerites
• 36:10
  who is now in the Locer with us, Tom Allen, and and just
• 36:15
  the insights they talked to. Yeah, they talk to every member that's been
• 36:20
  in the band. They even talked to a couple of guys that were in
• 36:22
  an early version of the band that I didn't even know about, like before
• 36:24
  their first album came out. So that's that's the kind of stuff that you
• 36:28
  learned from watching this. But it really it tells a story so well that
• 36:34
  you know you come to the end of it. It is so worth the
• 36:37
  money to pay for this. It just it came out twenty nineteen, so
• 36:39
  it's fairly up to date and I would recommend it to anybody. Their website
• 36:45
  is it's kind of hard. It's you can't use an an for sand in,
• 36:49
  you know, in a URL. So it's why an dt rocks dot
• 36:52
  com that's their website. I think this is still available. They really need
• 36:58
  to restock their web store as far as CDs go, but I think you
• 37:00
  can still get this on I think on DVD or Blu ray. I was
• 37:06
  supposed to be talking about my book, but when you mentioned, you know,
• 37:08
  wanting to know more about the band. This is an excellent It's one
• 37:12
  of the best rock documentaries I have ever seen. Another guy that I talked
• 37:15
  to the book in depths, I've been buddies with him for years and years
• 37:21
  and years, a guy named Jeff Keir, also known as Rowdy Jay.
• 37:24
  Jeff was Wyant's webmaster for many years, and he was also the moderator on
• 37:30
  their forum when their forum was active. That was one of the first forums
• 37:36
  I joined when I first got a home computer because I wanted to know more
• 37:38
  about the band. I wanted to meet more Yant fans. The band members
• 37:43
  themselves would pop in occasionally, but I got to know Jeff really well.
• 37:45
  So when it came time when I was doing this book, he was one
• 37:49
  of the first people I thought of. I said, do you want to
• 37:51
  take part in this this one? He's like absolutely, man, He's like,
• 37:53
  somebody's got to do this. I'm glad it's you and Jeff. I
• 37:57
  interviewed him in the book for how he got started. He ended up doing
• 38:00
  a fan site when the Internet was just you know, coming around like a
• 38:06
  I don't know if it was a GeoCities, but it was like a what
• 38:08
  did he call, like a music board or like a message board. Yeah,
• 38:12
  like an AOL message board. I remember they used to have like in
• 38:15
  the mid in the you know, the mid nineties, early days, right
• 38:19
  for this sort of thing, like not every band had a website at this
• 38:22
  point, and a friend of Dave Menichetti's came across it and brought it to
• 38:27
  Dave's attention. So he ended up meeting Jeff and say, hey, you
• 38:30
  know, we're putting together a website. Do you want to help us with
• 38:32
  it? So he went from there. So he knows those guys very well.
• 38:36
  The official site ryant rocks dot com. A quote from Ronnie James deal
• 38:40
  Mannichetti is one of the most underrated singers on the face of the earth.
• 38:45
  High praise from Ronnie James deal Yeah, that's why he featured him so prominently
• 38:50
  on the Hearing Aide song. Right, And you know there's a quote.
• 38:53
  I have the Contagious twelve inch single and it's got like a little blurb on
• 38:58
  the back of it, and Eddie Van Halen is quoted as saying something like,
• 39:01
  I've been all around the world and there ain't enough good rock bands like
• 39:06
  Yan T. Wow. So like those those ibrob Halford sung their sang their
• 39:10
  praises all the time, Like I said, de Snyder, you know they
• 39:16
  they're well respected within the hard rock community. Another footnote is that Motley cruez
• 39:23
  first ever show was opening for Y and T in nineteen eighty one, and
• 39:29
  you know, you know, let's say what you will about the guys Motley
• 39:34
  Crue. Four years later, they did return the favor because they had Y
• 39:37
  and T opened for at least a part of the Theater of Pain tour.
• 39:40
  So and that's one of the other things that that kind of irks me a
• 39:45
  little bit. Like now these well you know, musicians that ended up in
• 39:49
  bands that did better than Y and T are all singing their praises. But
• 39:52
  when I was buying metal Edge and Circus and did Prager in the late eighties
• 39:55
  and early nineties, especially the early nineties, when I get into the band,
• 40:00
  nobody talked about Y and T and and and you know, if you
• 40:04
  you know, you know that yourself, Like when a band would talk about
• 40:07
  another band, I would listen, might not necessarily get into it, but
• 40:12
  my ears would be tweaked a little bit. You know. That's why That's
• 40:15
  one of the reasons I got into Queen, because def Leppard Metallica extreme,
• 40:20
  and I'm like, Okay, there's got to be more of this band than
• 40:22
  another one bites the dust, you know what I mean. Like I just
• 40:23
  wasn't hearing the right things. And and look what Metallica did for bands like
• 40:29
  diamond Head, Like nobody, you know, forgotten bands, and now they're,
• 40:35
  you know, in the metal community, a diamond Head. Yeah.
• 40:37
  Yeah, So you know, I wish someone had had thrown y and t
• 40:40
  at bone that way and and and said, hey, this is a great
• 40:45
  band. And but you know something that came up in this documentary and it
• 40:51
  is mentioned in the book too, because it is significant and it's very unfortunate.
• 40:54
  But the longer that they were around, their experience started to work again,
• 41:00
  because you know, when you've been at it that long and you hadn't
• 41:04
  really broken through within the industry, like radio programmers and record company people were
• 41:08
  like these guys again, they you know, they haven't knocked it on ahead
• 41:13
  yet, and you know, it's it's sad, you know, but I
• 41:19
  talked about this too, and I think it's true. When grunge happened,
• 41:24
  I sort of call it the great leveling when it comes to traditional hard rock
• 41:30
  and you know what used to be called old school metal, there was kind
• 41:34
  of a leveling period where everybody was you know, effective in some ways.
• 41:39
  I mean even bands as big as def Leopard were knocked down to gold status
• 41:43
  at that time. I mean, it really noted the wind out of the
• 41:45
  scene. Now Y and Tea it just so happens kind of sat that out
• 41:51
  because they played their last shows at the end of nineteen ninety and then they
• 41:54
  took a hiatus for five years, so they were kind of immune. They
• 41:59
  didn't really have that Dave was building his own studio and things like that.
• 42:05
  But you know, when they really started touring heavily around two thousand and three,
• 42:09
  and there's a good reason that it happened when it did. They started
• 42:14
  playing all these festivals like Sweden Rock and you know, places like that,
• 42:19
  and started to you know, people were just loving seeing Whyn't live. Now
• 42:22
  they can go on like the rock cruises and do as well or better as
• 42:27
  bands that you know, went way past them in sales, way passed them
• 42:30
  up the charts, and you know, there's such a respect now. I
• 42:37
  just think that that perseverance has paid off because Dave Menichetti is still out there.
• 42:42
  He's seventy years old and he still sings really well, like he's kept
• 42:45
  his vocal chops up. I mean, yeah, he's seventy years old.
• 42:50
  He's not singing like he did when he was in his late twenties early thirties,
• 42:52
  but he's still he's still delivering. And they're singers that are much younger
• 42:58
  than him, that cannot do any thing close to what they used to do.
• 43:00
  So if you live in California, you can see them Friday July nineteen,
• 43:05
  venture A Music Hall, and then the twentieth they're in San Juan Capistrano,
• 43:08
  California, Coach House Concert Hall, and then Friday August nine, Berkeley,
• 43:14
  California, Cornerstone Craft Beer and Live Music. There you go free plug
• 43:19
  for some upcoming Wainan t dates. Yeah, and unfortunately here I am in
• 43:23
  the you know, the eastern most part of Canada, which is a terrible
• 43:28
  place when it comes to classic rock bands because they just don't hit this area
• 43:34
  unfortunately, so I've never seen them and I've never seen them live. Oh
• 43:37
  isn't that Yeah. I think the closest that they that Whayante ever came to
• 43:43
  playing here was in eighty five when they were opening for Motley Crew. They
• 43:46
  played in Portland, Maine. That's about eight hours away. But I've or
• 43:50
  six hours away from me, and I've been to Portland many times to see
• 43:52
  show. So I'd have made that trip if they'd, you know, inc
• 43:55
  if they didn't call on there now and play the theater somewhere, I'd be
• 43:59
  there. But yeah, I had I had the privilege because I did an
• 44:07
  entire deep dive series on Wyant's albums to go with the book, like I'm
• 44:13
  doing now for my Kansas book, but I went through each of the studio
• 44:15
  albums. And then after that was the privilege of getting john Nyman and Aaron
• 44:22
  Lee both on the show because they both had solo albums up to talk about,
• 44:28
  so I had them both on. So I had alfle yan Tea on,
• 44:30
  so they're very aware. They both bought the book, which is amazing
• 44:34
  that you know, but so they are aware, and I've talked to Jeff
• 44:39
  here a lot, and you know what I hold out hope. I'm going
• 44:43
  to get a copy of that book to Dave, because I mean, obviously
• 44:46
  he's the keeper of the flame, right, he's the last remaining original member.
• 44:51
  He's the main guy. He always has been. So yeah, he's
• 44:52
  the guy that you know, hopefully get you know, getting some contact with
• 44:58
  him. We'll be back after this. We'll be back with the Magic Tooms
• 45:02
  for the Armada Rooms to our disco swing party after this short break till then,
• 45:07
  don't you go change it. Let's go through some of the albums here.
• 45:12
  We did touch on that first one just a bit, the self titled
• 45:15
  debut, and then the second album. What bums me out? Of those
• 45:19
  first two albums, you can't get on Spotify, so they're on YouTube and
• 45:22
  you can. Yeah, and it's two bad because they're really really good albums.
• 45:25
  Now, the discussion among the yan T diehards when you get to that
• 45:30
  second album is regarding the producer, right, Jimmy Robinson on the second one,
• 45:38
  Oh yeah, this is a topic of the discussion. Fans weren't too
• 45:42
  happy with the production. What are your overall thoughts on the first two albums?
• 45:47
  I love the love the first album, first album is really raw off
• 45:52
  the floor. It sounds like you're in the room with them. It's great,
• 45:57
  you know it's it's it's an album like if you were to put a
• 46:00
  metronome, that would be a terrible thing, because you know, the music
• 46:05
  breathes. It's not I'm not saying it's sloppy, but it's not John Bonham
• 46:09
  if you put him to a metronome that slows down, the speeds up as
• 46:13
  the music dictates. So first album is fantastic and I love the way it
• 46:17
  sounds. The second album, struck Down, is actually my personal least favorite
• 46:22
  yan T album, but something always has to come in last. Not everything
• 46:27
  can be tied for first place. I think it's got a few good songs
• 46:30
  on it. It's got some songs that don't particularly care for, but yeah,
• 46:32
  the production is like Flange City. It's just drowning in Flange. I
• 46:38
  notice that. Yeah, it's it's a very noisy, difficult album, but
• 46:44
  you know, yes, there are some quality songs on there. To me,
• 46:46
  my favorite Y and T albums, if I had to pick my top
• 46:50
  three would be earth Shaker in eighty one, the first A and M album.
• 46:54
  That's a killer album. A lot of people. That's a lot of
• 46:58
  people's favorite. Main Streak in eighty three, amazing album. And I've got
• 47:04
  a soft spot for ten in nineteen ninety, which is their most commercial,
• 47:07
  like they're most overtly well maybe not for most commercial, but it's a you
• 47:10
  know, it's definitely more of a commercial. It's not metal in the least,
• 47:14
  but I really like it. But that's when I got into the band.
• 47:16
  So it's really hard to separate because there's always something about what was current
• 47:22
  when you got into them, and that was the one. Well, they
• 47:23
  were working hard a new album, the studio album, at least every year
• 47:28
  from eighty one to eighty five. Yeah, they were you named very Yeah,
• 47:32
  earth Shake, Grady one, Black Tiger eighty two, Means Street eighty
• 47:36
  three and Rock We Trust eighty four, down for the Count eighty five and
• 47:38
  then you get the live album Open Fire in eighty five. Yeah, earth
• 47:43
  Shaker, solid album, and then that gets them off to a great start
• 47:45
  to the eighties. But this is when they opened for a CDC, right,
• 47:50
  Yeah, they opened for and here's one of Here's what I was about
• 47:52
  to rock. They opened for a CDC in Europe, but they didn't open
• 47:57
  for them North America, they're they're home. So that's one of the things
• 48:01
  that maybe could have gone a little bit different. So they're you know,
• 48:05
  they're quite well known in the UK, they're very there. They did very
• 48:08
  well in Japan, you know pockets, right, And I got to say
• 48:15
  it, I'm so glad that they have an audience in Japan because when I
• 48:19
  was it was really really hard finding all of these albums in the early nineties.
• 48:24
  And if it wasn't for Japan, I wouldn't have any of those on
• 48:29
  CD like back then because all you could find were all you could ever order
• 48:34
  were Japanese imports. Where did you order them from? Because this is pre
• 48:38
  internet? Okay, so this is this is a this is a good story
• 48:44
  that happens to be a Y and T oriented story. So by the summer
• 48:49
  in ninety one, I mean after they were already broken up. And that's
• 48:52
  another story because I've done that so many times. I'll get into a band
• 48:54
  and they break up. Anyway, So summer ninety one, I had Contagious
• 49:02
  ten and a compilation called Best of eighty one to eighty five that came out
• 49:07
  in nineteen ninety on A and M. Because you know, that's former labels
• 49:10
  do that all the time, Like look at Aerosmith, GEFF and Columbia.
• 49:14
  They'll put something out right and that's still out that's on Spotify. That best
• 49:19
  standard practice. So I had those three on CD, and I had everything
• 49:22
  back to Black Tiger on this set. That's I couldn't find the first three
• 49:27
  albums anywhere. I distinctly remember that I was in a grocery store and I
• 49:31
  was looking at a circus magazine. It was a voracious, you know,
• 49:35
  steady reader a circus at that time. And in the back of the magazine
• 49:38
  there was an order form for a place in Connecticut called the Right Choice.
• 49:43
  They were they sold rare import CDs. That's I'm in Connecticut. Yeah,
• 49:50
  really where this place was, I don't think it exists anymore, but Right
• 49:53
  Choice. I think it was called the Right Choice. I could be getting
• 49:58
  it mixed up for something else, but but but I do remember they had
• 50:01
  a listing for Earthshaker on CD, which I didn't have on anything. It
• 50:07
  was thirty nine ninety nine and that's in US and I'm up here in Canada.
• 50:14
  But to be fair, at that time, the exchange rate wasn't that
• 50:17
  bad. I think the Canadian dollar was like eighty two cents US, so
• 50:22
  it was you know, it's not like it is now more than our dollars
• 50:25
  and doesn't get you very far in the States. But anyway, I thought,
• 50:30
  man, I'd love to order that, but you know you're skeptical,
• 50:34
  right, I'd never I didn't know anybody that order from these places. So
• 50:37
  I remember talking to a friend of mine, my buddy John, who I've
• 50:39
  had on my show before. He's in the Yant book too. I got
• 50:44
  him to list his favorite riffs. Yeah, that's that's a cool section.
• 50:46
  Yeah. Yeah, because he's a guitar player too. So anyway I said
• 50:51
  to John, I said, oh, man, I don't know. I
• 50:53
  what if it's a scam. That's a It came to about fifty bucks Canadian
• 50:59
  to order it, and I thought, man, what if it's you know,
• 51:02
  And so what he did it was kind of brilliant. He bought the
• 51:07
  cassette single and remember's cassette singles to Metallica one because that had the prints on
• 51:16
  the other side of it, which is a Diamond Head song, and we
• 51:20
  hadn't heard it at that time, and it was less than ten dollars.
• 51:25
  So he thought you know what the heck I mean, I'll order this,
• 51:29
  it comes, it comes, and then we'll know. So that's exactly how
• 51:34
  it went. So I ordered her Shaker, and I remember getting it.
• 51:37
  I'd never seen the cover before. I knew four of the ten songs on
• 51:40
  it because they're on that best of But that's when I knew that, Okay,
• 51:46
  it's legit. These places you can actually I can actually get some of
• 51:50
  these things on CD, not just cassette, because I was just transitioning from
• 51:53
  cassettes to CDs at that point. I have just the fondest memories of getting
• 51:58
  that album and and listening to it all the time because it's so amazingly good.
• 52:04
  It regularly gets mentioned as people's favorite of their albums. Yeah, earth
• 52:07
  Shaker, Yeah, Yeah. Black Tiger has a song that I love though
• 52:12
  that the toggle switch, the helicopter effect that Mannichhetty does this on the title
• 52:17
  track. Yeah, And Martin pop Off compares Dave to Ronnie Montrose as far
• 52:24
  as the guitar style, which is interesting. It really there's a lot to
• 52:29
  that. There's so many it's a Bay Area, you know, there's so
• 52:31
  many bare Bay Area connections. Because I already mentioned that Dave's kind of got
• 52:37
  that hagar ish voice a little bit, but as a guitar player, yeah,
• 52:45
  I mean that first Montrose album was hugely influential. I mean, it
• 52:49
  took thirteen years to go platinum, but people that were in the know knew
• 52:52
  how great it was. It still sounds so good, doesn't do today?
• 52:57
  How many people have covered songs from it? How many people have covered Rock
• 53:00
  Candy and and Bad Motor Scooter. I mean, I mean, it's just
• 53:04
  it's a whole that's I could look, I could go down a whole other
• 53:07
  rabbit hole about that. But I'm going to see solo stuff and stuff like
• 53:09
  that. I'm going to see Sammy in a couple of weeks here in Conne,
• 53:14
  which was coming near me. I would love to go see that.
• 53:16
  I'm hoping that he I think he'll he'll pull out of Mantros too, but
• 53:20
  it's gonna be like at least I think he'll at least do Bad Motor Scooter.
• 53:24
  That's my yep. But so the connections, uh there, I mean
• 53:31
  their four piece band, so you know you've got that, but uh,
• 53:38
  let me think about that. Ronnie Montrose was actually going to produce the ten
• 53:44
  album uh, And they have a couple of CDs that they put out in
• 53:49
  the early two thousands, unearthed Volume one and two. Volume two has quite
• 53:55
  a few songs from those sessions that Ronnie Montrose actually produced. And there's one
• 54:00
  song on there called new Kid in Town that Ronnie wrote, and it's on
• 54:05
  one of his albums. I don't know which one, but so it's a
• 54:10
  song that Yan T recorded. But there's also a I don't think it's I
• 54:15
  don't think it's on the Mean album Manty seven. I think it's on one
• 54:19
  of Ronnie's albums. I don't know. I don't have any of Ronnie solo
• 54:22
  albums, but but yeah, he came very close to producing Yant and that
• 54:27
  stuff sounds really good, but the labels like, no, we need need
• 54:30
  a bigger name producer, and it ended up being Mike Stone. So so
• 54:36
  there's a connection there. But in twenty and thirteen, when Sammy he was
• 54:43
  doing four Decades of Rock tour and Ronnie Montrose had passed away at this point,
• 54:49
  and he had a set where I'm pretty sure he had Denny Carmassi and
• 54:53
  Bill Church come up to do some mantro songs. He had Dave play lead
• 54:59
  guitar. You can see it on YouTube. That's where That's also where I
• 55:05
  remember that name from then because they did rock Candy. Dave sang the second
• 55:08
  verse, which is really cool because then you get to hear the two of
• 55:13
  them side by side singing. So yeah, definitely definitely connections there. Cool.
• 55:21
  Yeah, I remember that tour too, so I'm gonna check that out
• 55:23
  on YouTube because I gotta go back and watch that. But it's interesting because
• 55:27
  you talk about the commercial success or lack thereof by Y and T. They
• 55:32
  were rising as you can go through the eighties, right, first half of
• 55:36
  the eighties, Mean Street Cracks the Billboard two hundred and one oh three and
• 55:39
  Rocky Truss is forty five, and then they got the huge hit single with
• 55:44
  Summertime Girls. But as for that song, I find this interesting because a
• 55:49
  lot of times the band's biggest hit single may not be the favorite of a
• 55:54
  diehard fan like Jump right, but you are a fan. In fact,
• 56:00
  you said it should have been an even bigger head. I think it's a
• 56:02
  great pop rock song and there's no reason why. You know. It's like,
• 56:09
  I'm a huge Night Ranger fan and I've never gotten sick of hearing Sister
• 56:14
  Christian on the radio. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
• 56:16
  it's just the problem is is that with Yant, when you're supposed to be
• 56:22
  a hard rock band, people expect I don't know. And incidentally, you're
• 56:27
  talking about DIO best Claude Schnell that plays the keyboards on on those songs that
• 56:31
  have keyboards on for Yant. So okay, he's on Sometime Girls. Yeah,
• 56:37
  oh okay, but that's another hit fifty five on Billboard, which isn't
• 56:40
  bad, but yeah, it's just respectable. It hit sixteen on the Mainstream
• 56:45
  Rock chart, so yeah, it was getting airplay. But here's another example
• 56:47
  of where I think A and M kind of dropped the ball because it came
• 56:52
  out in Open Fire. It was the lone studio song on a live album
• 56:57
  that came out in I want to say May or June of eighty five.
• 57:01
  It was like first part of eighty five, and that's really when Summertime Girls
• 57:07
  was getting the airplay and on the charts, and they stuck it again on
• 57:15
  Down for the Count, which was their final studio album for A and M,
• 57:16
  which didn't come out until November of eighty five. By then, Summertime
• 57:21
  Girls had completely fallen off the charts, and who's going to make their first
• 57:25
  purchase of a group a live album full of songs they've never heard before,
• 57:30
  for the most part, doesn't make any sense. I just there's a lot
• 57:35
  of logic. And the whole story about Summertime Girls, explained very well in
• 57:40
  the documentary, is that one A and M exec heard the song because they've
• 57:45
  kind of worked it up, you know, jam session. And by the
• 57:47
  way, if you ever hit the song live, it's all guitars. There's
• 57:51
  no keyboards in it. That makes it even cooler. I don't mind the
• 57:54
  studio version, but I'm just saying they can do it live and it sounds
• 57:58
  like it should. This A and M executors, like that's terrible, kicked
• 58:01
  the cassette across the park then, so they didn't think anything more of it,
• 58:07
  And so then they did start playing it live, and they sent the
• 58:12
  label sent a recording truck out or however that goes, you know, to
• 58:15
  record live shows, and another exact from A and M heard that song,
• 58:19
  going well, well, wait a minute, what's that? What's that song
• 58:22
  that sounds like a hit? So, you know, I've always wished that
• 58:32
  from the beginning. I mean they you know, they had London in the
• 58:36
  first couple of albums, but instead of signed to A and M. I
• 58:38
  always wondered what it would have been like if they'd assigned to Elektra or Atlantic,
• 58:43
  you know, labels that kind of knew how to market these types of
• 58:46
  bands. It could have been a very different story. Which label were they
• 58:51
  on for eighty seven's Contagious Geffen? Geffen? Okay, because that and they
• 58:55
  and they reached number seventy eight with that album, which isn't bad. Here's
• 58:59
  the problem with that. There's there's a couple of things about that first single
• 59:04
  too, because you feel that first single should have been huge, Oh my
• 59:07
  goodness, and that was a slam dunk hit as far as I'm concerned.
• 59:09
  That's what we're talking about. Uh, what's the name of the song.
• 59:15
  It's Contagious. It's the title song, Yeah, the title track. Yeah,
• 59:17
  okay, I mean it's a super catchy song. I mean gis on
• 59:23
  drums by the way on that album. Yeah. Geffen was a great power
• 59:30
  rock label. You know, they're Sammy, They resurrected Aerosmith, Guns and
• 59:37
  Roses, Tesla, White Snake, you know, The problem is is that
• 59:45
  Contagious came out right around the same time that the White Snake album was kind
• 59:52
  of like siphoning all promotional dollars out of you know, as big label as
• 59:58
  they were, which is understandable if you know the story behind that, because
• 1:00:01
  John David Claudner, the famous ay and our guy from Geffen, basically staked
• 1:00:06
  his reputation on breaking White Snake and it was not an easy thing. Band
• 1:00:10
  members being replaced and attention Coverdale and Sykes and all that stuff. Yeah,
• 1:00:15
  people on the album are not in the ones in the video and who toured
• 1:00:20
  big time promotion for that album, right. Appetite for Destruction comes out around
• 1:00:24
  that same time, and yes, that album took about a year or more
• 1:00:28
  to really take off, but Geffen was pushing it from the start why and
• 1:00:31
  he kind of fell in between the cracks unfortunately, And again there was that
• 1:00:37
  misconception of you know, geez, they've been around a long time and if
• 1:00:40
  they haven't made it by now, But it certainly didn't stop David Coverdale from
• 1:00:45
  becoming bigger than he'd ever been, and it certainly didn't stop Aerosmith from becoming
• 1:00:52
  bigger than they've ever been so why didn't Why and t you know, why
• 1:00:58
  couldn't they have worked them a little bit longer? The problem? The other
• 1:01:00
  problem I think with Contagious that there was no real clear cut second single because
• 1:01:06
  you couldn't just count on that one song doing it. And I think that's
• 1:01:08
  what all the exact sid Geffen did. They heard the song Contagious, that
• 1:01:12
  that's it, that's a hit. That's all we need to worry about.
• 1:01:15
  Do whatever else you want on the album, and you know it'll sort itself
• 1:01:19
  out. And it didn't. It just didn't. It only hit forty two
• 1:01:21
  in mainstream rock, which is crazy. But record label stuff, man,
• 1:01:25
  I mean, every band's got a story about it. Booked on rock podcasts.
• 1:01:30
  We'll be back after this, I will, we can you Jassy,
• 1:01:35
  I will be bad. We mentioned Sammy Higar. Interesting bit of trivia regarding
• 1:01:43
  this album, and it's the track La Rocks right. I had a different
• 1:01:47
  title. Yeah, you can get the pressings of the album and the second
• 1:01:52
  song on Contagious is called Boys' Night Out. And I used to have a
• 1:01:57
  cassette. Well, I don't know what happened to it. I you just
• 1:01:59
  have a cassette version where it was listed as Boys Night Out. But yeah,
• 1:02:04
  Sammy had a song on his eighty seven album, this Contractual Obligation album
• 1:02:08
  with that title, and for some reason that ended meant that Wyant ended up
• 1:02:14
  having to change it. I don't know why. I actually that Kelly Rocks
• 1:02:16
  is a cooler title. Yeah, that's that's the song Sammy mentions Eddie,
• 1:02:22
  Me and Eddie get into a fight. It was the lyrics to that song,
• 1:02:25
  that's off I would never say goodbye. Yeah, yeah, who knew
• 1:02:29
  there was so much of a Sammy Hagar connection here as who we've in and
• 1:02:32
  out of that They talked to him for the documentary because yeah, it was
• 1:02:37
  it was. It was cool to see him give his two cents and and
• 1:02:42
  and you know, talk about what a great band they were, so and
• 1:02:45
  they opened for him. I think in eighty three probably been the three lock
• 1:02:49
  Box tour. Well, speaking of great Canadian rock bands, Sammy's bringing out,
• 1:02:53
  uh, Sammy's bringing out for this tour lover Boy. Yeah, and
• 1:02:59
  that's so cool too, because a lover Boy also opened for They opened for
• 1:03:04
  Van Halen on some of the Canadian dates on the fifty and fifty tour,
• 1:03:07
  and of course Diehard fans. I'll know Mike Reno duets with Samuel Remember the
• 1:03:10
  Heroes? Great too? Yeah, Which how cool would that be if they
• 1:03:15
  brought that song back into the set and had him come out. Yeah maybe
• 1:03:19
  he will there. I mean it'd be cool. Yeah, that'd be cool
• 1:03:23
  if I get a great, big band or Remember the Heroes. Yeah,
• 1:03:27
  and he'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, it's a great song.
• 1:03:30
  Yeah. One more album before the band splits up in ninety one, and
• 1:03:34
  that's ten you've been talking about that one. Jerry Steve Smith plays drums on
• 1:03:37
  some of the tracks along with Jimmy DeGrasso. Joey Alias had left the band
• 1:03:42
  most of the tracks. Joey Alas had left the band was replaced on rhythm
• 1:03:45
  guitar by Steph Burns. The album peaked at one ten. Four years later,
• 1:03:50
  the quartet of singer guitarist Dave Manichetti, bassist Phil Kennemore, drummer Jimmy
• 1:03:54
  de Grasso and guitar Steph Burns reunite for two albums. So these aren't just
• 1:04:00
  albums the nineties. YE team musically incorrect in ninety five, and Endangered Species
• 1:04:05
  was I believe two years later ninety seven yep, yep. Okay, So
• 1:04:11
  for you, ninety five is musically incorrect was extra special since you had become
• 1:04:15
  a fan when the band split up. So for you, this was cool.
• 1:04:18
  This is so I bought well, I bought ten when it had been
• 1:04:23
  out for a couple of months, and I bought the best of as soon
• 1:04:28
  as I knew it existed. And I bought their live album Yesterday Today Live,
• 1:04:30
  which came out ninety one, which I would if somebody wanted to start
• 1:04:33
  with the live album, to start with that one. They just reassed it
• 1:04:36
  last year with two extra songs, get that one. But yeah, but
• 1:04:41
  then they're done. Correct. It was the first studio album that I was
• 1:04:44
  anticipating. Yeah, and it wasn't until ninety six that I could track down
• 1:04:48
  a copy of it. Yeah. Interesting album cover two, The two little
• 1:04:53
  kids are blocking the stock photo. Yeah, it's a stock photo that de
• 1:04:57
  Grosso found in a in a library. Okay, And the title was very
• 1:05:01
  apt because it's like, yeah, bands like us, you know, we're
• 1:05:06
  musically incorrect as far as the industry is concerned, but we're doing it anyway.
• 1:05:12
  Yeah. And then the twelfth and last studio album, Face Melter twenty
• 1:05:15
  ten, the first there, first since eighty seven's Endangered Species. Uh,
• 1:05:21
  the longest gap between two Wine t studio albums is that I have that right,
• 1:05:26
  let's say, yeah, I mean, and so far it's on We're
• 1:05:29
  going on fourteen years and it's still the newest studio album. I hope they
• 1:05:32
  do something else, yeah, yeah, or ninety seven's Endangered Species. So
• 1:05:38
  yeah, yeah, yeah, last to feature Bassis. Phil Kennimore sadly passed
• 1:05:43
  yeah, following year. And then you mentioned in the book it's it's hard
• 1:05:45
  not to get emotional. We're listening to the album opening track, prelude and
• 1:05:50
  not get emotional that opening track. Yeah, he's you know, he filled
• 1:05:55
  as a spoken word intro on that. He was really really passionate about that
• 1:05:59
  album. That album was his baby, and you know he sought to fruition.
• 1:06:04
  Unfortunately he couldn't complete the tour. That's when they got Brad Lang.
• 1:06:08
  But I mean, but the story about Steve Smith playing on ten is a
• 1:06:12
  fascinating one. That one. Yeah, yeah, again, the documentary goes
• 1:06:17
  into so much detail about that. But Jimmy DeGrasso was mad at Mike Stone,
• 1:06:24
  the producer, and Jimmy's a great drummer, so it doesn't make a
• 1:06:30
  lot of sense. He's only you know, Jimmy is only credited on three
• 1:06:33
  of the twelve songs on ten. Steve Smith plays on three quarters of that
• 1:06:39
  album. But they had Steve Smith for the documentary talking to him and he
• 1:06:44
  was so classy about it because it was, you know, it would be
• 1:06:47
  a revolting situation for the drummer of this happens a lot, especially to drummers
• 1:06:54
  for some reasons. For some reason, recording in the studio was a different
• 1:06:57
  animal than recording live. I mean Fred Corey having Fred Corey with Cinderella.
• 1:07:01
  There's a lot of bands that happened to where it's you know, there's a
• 1:07:04
  lot of times where it's not the band, it's you know, it's session
• 1:07:06
  guys, right, because it's a young band. This is not a young
• 1:07:10
  band. And Jimmy DeGrasso is a good drummer, great drummer. But Mike
• 1:07:15
  Stone, I guess, had had a reputation of, you know, not
• 1:07:20
  taking very good care of himself. He died young. He died in two
• 1:07:23
  thousand and two. He was only I think he was only fifty. But
• 1:07:27
  Mike Stone, of course said work with journey, So that was probably why
• 1:07:30
  so get Steve Smith in here, because Steve Smith is you know, he's
• 1:07:36
  not just a good rock drummer, He's just he's just this master musician,
• 1:07:40
  right, could play anything and the drop of a hat. But what he
• 1:07:43
  did and what he told Jimmy, he wrote out Jimmy's drum parts and he
• 1:07:49
  said, I'm not gonna here and just do whatever. I'm gonna play your
• 1:07:54
  parts because you came up with some cool parts Like that was just so much
• 1:07:58
  respect. I'm going to anywhere. But I just said, I have so
• 1:08:00
  much more respect for Steve Smith after that. I'm like, that's so classy
• 1:08:03
  how he handled that. So, yeah, it is a different sound.
• 1:08:09
  It's definitely a different sound. You can tell the tracks that Jimmy played on
• 1:08:12
  because he plays like a hard rock drummer and Steve Smith just plays like like
• 1:08:16
  he does. He's got that lighter touch, right, He's fantastic, But
• 1:08:20
  you can tell it's a different feel. It's a different sound. He doesn't
• 1:08:25
  hit his hard. But of course I didn't know that when I first got
• 1:08:30
  the album. I wasn't as savvy. I'd like to think I've learned a
• 1:08:33
  few things since then. But yeah, that was a really interesting story and
• 1:08:38
  the two the two albums in the mid nineties were really good. Of course
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  they were on smaller labels, so they even had you know, they're hard
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  to find now, I think, and I think Face Melter. I think
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  you can still get face Melter on the on the band's website. The problem
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  is with face Melter, and I'm not going to call it a problem so
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  much is you kind of have to get two different versions of it to get
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  all the songs unless you buy the vinyl because they did a bonus track for
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  Japan and a bonus track for Europe. Yeah, so you're losing my mind
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  in Europe. And yeah, they're both good songs my opinion, my humble
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  opinion. They're better than some of the songs that made the proper album.
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  But you know, hey, okay, but the song I'm Coming Home I
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  thought was interesting reading online. It's the most viewed video on YouTube but from
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  the band, over two million views. Yeah. I think there's a lot
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  of reasons for that because you know, it's a small fan base, but
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  it's a dedicated one, and that's the you know, it was their first
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  new music in thirteen years. It was their first new video since nineteen ninety
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  and it's a really cool looking video. The band looks great, and it's
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  classy. It's well done, and I just think people were tuning in a
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  lot when that came out. Yeah and Why, like a lot of you
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  know, like a lot of bands, not all of their videos of age
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  that well, but most bands from the eighties, they have videos that you
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  look back, even if the songs are great that video. So yeah,
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  Well, I want to finish now with a sort of a rapid fire series
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  of questions shortening Why and T's catalog. Okay, so let's start with well,
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  I think you already may answer this, but Yan T's best album.
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  Okay, Well, my favorite album is ten, but their best album is
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  probably Meanstreak. Okay, that's like a unanimous choice too among Y and T
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  Vans or earth Shaker one of those two. Best song I'm gonna say,
• 1:10:43
  don't Stop Running from which album from in Rock We Trust? I think that's
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  the best combination of hard rock and melody and guitar and vocal prowess and vocal
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  harmonies. I think that sums up Hyant pretty good. One song, Okay,
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  best album cover Dracula making out with a robot? What's that one?
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  That's is that? Which is that down? For? Definitely not that one
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  Dracular's biting a robot's neck. I'm gonna say Mean Streek, Mean Streak is
• 1:11:16
  just stunning, stunning album cover. Okay, so mechanical snake and yeah it
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  looks awesome. Do we know who did the cover art? John Tayla Dismukee's
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  okay, all right? Best Dave Mannichetti riff man, he has so many.
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  I mean, the Mean Streak riff is really cool. It's kind of
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  a twisty turney thing. But if we're just talking about the power of a
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  pure power chord riff, I'm gonna say black Black Tiger, okay, which
• 1:11:53
  that's one of my favorites now, and that's got that helicopter sound and if
• 1:11:58
  you like that sound, I'll tell you right now where else you can hear
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  it straight through the heart on Mean Streak. He does it life life,
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  life on in Rocky, Trust, anything for money on Down for the Count,
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  and Eyes of a Stranger on Contagious. They all have. So what
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  he does is to be your guitar player. Like he always played the less,
• 1:12:17
  usually played the less. Paul so he would turn the pickup so that
• 1:12:23
  one pickup wasn't active and the other one was, so the toggle switch would
• 1:12:27
  go back and forth between active and inactive, so it would cut out.
• 1:12:30
  And that's how he came up with that. Now people do it with foot
• 1:12:34
  switches and stuff. But he still he'll wear that toggle switch down to you
• 1:12:38
  know, if you see him play, he's still got the same like he
• 1:12:43
  comes on stage. I don't know if he could tell from that picture,
• 1:12:45
  but he's got the sunburst less Paul, but you know, some of the
• 1:12:47
  finish has worn off. I mean, you know, some guys just have
• 1:12:51
  that guitar that they stick to all the time, just like Brad Gillis from
• 1:12:55
  Night Ranger. He's got that red and black strat and it's all worn down
• 1:12:58
  and it's so cool. Most underrated wyan T album, I'm gonna say in
• 1:13:06
  Dangered Species, just because by virtue of the fact that smaller label albums just
• 1:13:13
  rarely get their due. And finally, the most underrated wyan T song,
• 1:13:20
  most underrated WYANT song, Yeah, because I mean within the fan community,
• 1:13:27
  songs like Mead Street, Black Tiger don't stop running those are you know,
• 1:13:30
  quote unquote hits for fans, but an underrated song A boy making me think
• 1:13:42
  here, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna go with well. Contagious was
• 1:13:45
  a single out of the running Eli Rocks. Eli Rocks is pretty good,
• 1:13:51
  but you know, I am okay. It was a single in a video,
• 1:13:55
  but again smaller label. I'm gonna go without Coming Home because that shows
• 1:13:59
  that after for all the years of not recording and being around as long as
• 1:14:01
  they had, they can still deliver songs that are heavy yet melodic and just
• 1:14:05
  pack everything in. Here we go down for the count the Y and T
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  album review that is out now. You can find it wherever books are sold
• 1:14:14
  Amazon, and that's basically where you yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it.
• 1:14:18
  And you also have a brand new book out which we want to have
• 1:14:20
  you back on for that's let it be your guide, the Kansas album review,
• 1:14:25
  so you can look that one to another kicking book. Cover size book
• 1:14:30
  Kansas Kansas Books a little longer. I find this is a very very good
• 1:14:34
  size to bring books and it's not too big, you know. And and
• 1:14:39
  who did the cover ar for the Kansas book. That is my good friend
• 1:14:44
  Matt Phillips with some AI assistance, all right, give them props for that.
• 1:14:47
  Man. It's a beauty yeah, with a lot of tweaking, a
• 1:14:50
  lot of tweaking. Yeah, yeah, And again, where can people find
• 1:14:55
  you online? On YouTube? TIMS Final Confessions? Is you know my name?
• 1:15:00
  On on YouTube? On on Facebook, on Instagram, and most recently
• 1:15:08
  I joined uh TikTok? You did you really understand TikTok? But I'm working
• 1:15:14
  on it. Your wife talked to you into it. You're gonna do like
• 1:15:16
  those crazy dances, you know, I did you know what? It's funny
• 1:15:21
  you mentioned that I wouldn't call it a dance, but I I did a
• 1:15:27
  trailer recently for an episode with which will have aired by this time, and
• 1:15:30
  it's I just did it an iMovie on my phone, but it looks like
• 1:15:33
  a horror movie trailer. Yeah. I had a lot of fun with that,
• 1:15:35
  So I might get into doing stuff like that. You know you mentioned
• 1:15:39
  today. I was just watching you put up a short which we can even
• 1:15:43
  mention here too. It's it does It does? Does you a huge favor
• 1:15:45
  if people can get on Amazon and give these books a good review. And
• 1:15:49
  also, you don't take a picture of yourself with the book and put it
• 1:15:51
  up on social media because I say, this is just this is just you
• 1:15:56
  here. You don't have you don't have you know, like HarperCollins behind you,
• 1:16:00
  I don't know. Yeah in the UK like Martin does you know?
• 1:16:03
  Or yeah? And I thank you and and and people like yourself having me
• 1:16:09
  on word of mouth is everything. I'm just one guy. I don't have
• 1:16:14
  an agent, I don't have a publisher. So yeah, if people like
• 1:16:16
  the book, please leave a review on Amazon. It may not sound like
• 1:16:20
  much, but it keeps the book, you know, it'll keep it in
• 1:16:24
  people's suggestions, it keeps it up there. Like when this first came out,
• 1:16:27
  it was number one I think a recorded sound for a day, which
• 1:16:30
  is pretty cool, but it didn't stay there. Right books, new books
• 1:16:32
  are coming out all the time, so leaving a review is a great way
• 1:16:36
  to help out with that. And if you out there have a book of
• 1:16:41
  your own, I will leave a review for you. So yeah, it's
• 1:16:45
  it's just sharing and posting. People like seeing people with the books. For
• 1:16:49
  some reason, it seems to make a difference. So I really appreciate all
• 1:16:53
  the support so far. But yeah, a lot. I put a lot
• 1:16:57
  into these books, and it means a lot. If I do a book
• 1:17:00
  on a band, it's a band that I love and I think are worth
• 1:17:02
  checking into. And when people let yourself say yeah, I listen to more
• 1:17:06
  of their music, that's fantastic. That's that's the goal. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:17:12
  And will hopefully have you back on. It's mid July right now,
• 1:17:15
  so maybe you know, middle to late August. We'll have you back on
• 1:17:17
  and we'll talk about the Kansas book. I'm really looking forward to that one.
• 1:17:20
  Thanks to him. Thanks. That's it. It's in the books.