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#94 | Tesla Deep Dive | Full Self-Driving, Half the Story · The Dutch Investors

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to another TDI Premium Deep Dive by the Dutch investors.
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SPEAKER_00: Today we are tackling a big one, a company that has been called a cult, a miracle, a fraud, and a car company, all in the same breath.
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SPEAKER_00: Today's deep dive is about Tesla.
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SPEAKER_00: But this deep dive isn't the Tesla of 2018 or even 2021.
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SPEAKER_00: As we sit here in May 2026, Tesla is a company in the middle of a massive identity crisis.
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SPEAKER_00: It is pivoting from being a hardware-centric automaker to what Elon Musk calls a physical AI company.
0:42
SPEAKER_00: We have to look at Tesla from all sides, because if we only look at one side of the coin with Tesla, we're not doing it justice.
0:51
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about Elon Musk and Tesla.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's dive in.
1:15
SPEAKER_00: Tesla was actually founded in 2003 in San Carlos, California, by two guys named Martin Eberhardt and Mark Tarpening.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Eberhardt was an engineer and a sports car enthusiast.
1:30
SPEAKER_00: But he had a conscience.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: He was becoming increasingly aware of global warming and noticed that his favorite high-performance cars were, frankly, as guzzlers.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: He wondered if an electric car could be as fast as a Porsche 911.
1:46
SPEAKER_00: Now, at the time, electric cars were basically glorified golf carts.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: They were slow, ugly, and had the range of a cordless vacuum cleaner.
1:57
SPEAKER_00: But Eberhard took a test drive in something called the T0, an early electric prototype, and he realized that the potential was there.
2:07
SPEAKER_00: He and Tarpening formed Tesla Motors.
2:11
SPEAKER_00: But they ran into the classic hardware startup wall.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: They miscalculated the numbers, the financials.
2:19
SPEAKER_00: Hardware is difficult.
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SPEAKER_00: It eats capital for breakfast and asks for more at lunch.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk joined a year later as an investor, putting in$6.35 million.
2:33
SPEAKER_00: He wasn't just a passive check writer though.
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SPEAKER_00: He became the chairman and eventually the architect of the brand.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: Elon Musk is someone who thinks differently about the world and looks in unique ways, in ways we don't really think.
2:49
SPEAKER_00: He has a wow mind.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk pushed for a level of perfection and a master plan that was far more ambitious than the original founder's vision.
2:59
SPEAKER_00: Musk's strategy was a master stroke of storytelling.
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SPEAKER_00: He published it in 2006.
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SPEAKER_00: For the world to see, build a low-volume, expensive sports car, the roadster, to show Electric could be cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Then use that money to build a mid-volume car at a lower price, the Model S.
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SPEAKER_00: Use that money to build a high-volume, affordable car, the Model 3, and while doing all that, provide solar power.
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SPEAKER_00: It sounds pretty simple now looking back, but in 2006, this was pure science fiction.
3:36
SPEAKER_00: Remember, this was before the 2008 financial crisis.
3:41
SPEAKER_00: It's a long time ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk saw the mission to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy.
3:49
SPEAKER_00: This mission allowed Tesla to bypass the typical advertising spend of a Ford or General Motors.
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SPEAKER_00: Why pay for TV ads when you have a CEO with a reality distortion field and a massive platform to tell the story for free?
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SPEAKER_00: But we gotta ask, at what point does the story stop being a roadmap and start being a distraction?
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SPEAKER_00: Are we there yet?
4:15
SPEAKER_00: Because by 2008, Tesla was literally days away from bankruptcy.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk had to dump his entire personal fortune into the company to keep the lights on.
4:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, talk about skin in the game, right?
4:30
SPEAKER_00: But it's also a reminder that Tesla has always operated on the razor's edge between miracle and collapse.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: So how does Tesla make money?
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SPEAKER_00: As you may already know, Tesla earns the majority of its revenue from selling cars, electric cars.
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SPEAKER_00: So, for most, Tesla is either a car company or a technology company.
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SPEAKER_00: Both can be true at the same time.
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SPEAKER_00: About 80% of its revenue comes from car sales.
4:58
SPEAKER_00: To say Tesla is just a car company wouldn't really do it justice.
5:03
SPEAKER_00: But if you generate about 70 billion in automotive sales, compared to just 12 and 13 billion dollars in energy and services, it is the majority of their revenue.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: Besides selling cars, they have a service segment.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: This includes everything else Tesla does, such as income from selling used cars, after-sale services not covered by warranty, paid supercharging, merchandise, and car insurance.
5:33
SPEAKER_00: Personally, we find the car insurance within this segment pretty interesting, because it can be a significant growth driver without Tesla needing to change the world.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: The energy segment includes all products Tesla offers for energy generation, such as the solar roof and energy storage, like the megapaks.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla is also working on robotaxis, human robots, AI, and several other futuristic projects.
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SPEAKER_00: There's still a lot of uncertainty around these projects to make any assumptions, and therefore we kind of leave it out.
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SPEAKER_00: Although there is a ton of optionality here.
6:12
SPEAKER_00: So let's discuss Tesla's mode.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: Elon Musk famously hated the word mode, competitive advantage.
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SPEAKER_00: He once said that if your only defense is a mode, you won't last long, and that what matters is the pace of innovation.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger would probably have a few choice words about that.
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SPEAKER_00: But we think modes are essential.
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SPEAKER_00: But we agree that they aren't static.
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SPEAKER_00: You have to widen them every year, throwing in crocodiles and pruanias to keep the competitors away.
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SPEAKER_00: For a long time, Tesla's mode was its proprietary technology.
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SPEAKER_00: They built their own battery packs, their own motors, their own chips, their own software.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla was busy vertically integrating.
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SPEAKER_00: One of the biggest parts of the Tesla mode is something called the Gigapress.
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SPEAKER_00: They have a massive manufacturing edge.
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SPEAKER_00: Think of it like a giant die casting machine that makes the entire rear underbody of a car in one piece.
7:14
SPEAKER_00: Traditionally, you'd have to weld them together.
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SPEAKER_00: 70 or 80 different parts.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla does this in one.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not just cool engineering, although it is, but it is also a massive cost advantage.
7:29
SPEAKER_00: By reducing the number of parts, they reduce labor, they reduce the size of the factory, and they increase the speed of production.
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SPEAKER_00: Economies of scale in action.
7:39
SPEAKER_00: Another significant advantage for Tesla is that supercharger network.
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SPEAKER_00: Launched in 2012, this was Tesla's widest mode because it solved the range anxiety for people.
7:52
SPEAKER_00: Tesla has spent the last years opening its network to Ford, GM, and Rivian.
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SPEAKER_00: Why are they giving away such a big advantage?
8:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, they are losing their switching cost advantage, you don't need a Tesla anymore to use the best chargers, but they are turning a cost center into a high margin services business.
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SPEAKER_00: By early 2026, this segment alone reached$12.5 billion in annual revenue.
8:24
SPEAKER_00: There is a scene in Alice in Wonderland where the Red Queen says you have to run as fast as you can just to stay in the same place.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla's lead in hardware is being eaten, so they must innovate in software and services to survive.
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SPEAKER_00: If they don't, they will just become another low-margin car maker.
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SPEAKER_00: You could argue Tesla also has network effects.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla is a data-driven company.
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SPEAKER_00: All decisions they make are based on data.
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SPEAKER_00: The more Teslas are on the road, the more data Tesla collects.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's a self-reinforcing network effect, giving Tesla access to an increasing amount of user data and driving data.
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SPEAKER_00: And this helps Tesla innovate and provide an advantage in developing self-driving cars.
9:17
SPEAKER_00: Lastly, maybe Tesla even has a brand.
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SPEAKER_00: You either love Tesla or you hate Tesla.
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SPEAKER_00: It has a cult-like following.
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SPEAKER_00: So the brand name is really there.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk about compensation and the management.
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SPEAKER_00: Charlie Munger famously said, Show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla's management compensation is the most extreme example of this in history of capitalism.
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SPEAKER_00: Back in 2018, the board, which mind you, was full of Musk's friend and his brother Kimball, proved an extraordinary pay package.
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SPEAKER_00: It was all or nothing.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk would get options to buy 304 million shares, but only if Tesla's market cap increased from 50 billion to 680 billion, and they hit specific revenue and profit targets.
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SPEAKER_00: At the time, Wall Street laughed.
10:16
SPEAKER_00: They said the milestones were impossible, but you guessed it, Musk hit all 12 of them by early 2023.
10:25
SPEAKER_00: The options became worth roughly 56 billion.
10:30
SPEAKER_00: But then a guy named Richard Tornetta, shareholder who only owned 9 shares, sued the company in Delaware.
10:39
SPEAKER_00: In January 2024, a judge voided the package.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: She found it ridiculous, found the approval process deeply flawed.
10:48
SPEAKER_00: She essentially said that the board was too close to Musk to negotiate at arm's length.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: Then it gets interesting.
10:56
SPEAKER_00: Tesla fought back.
10:58
SPEAKER_00: They asked shareholders to reincorporate the company in Texas and vote again on the same package.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: And in December 2025, the Supreme Court actually overruled the lower court and restored the package.
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SPEAKER_00: So in April 2026, 304 million shares were being delivered to Musk, and the saga is officially over.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: Now this skin in the game and this thing with Elon Musk is a double-edged sword.
11:26
SPEAKER_00: On the one hand, you want your CEO to be an owner.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk owns over$100 billion in Tesla stock.
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SPEAKER_00: He isn't going to let the company fail because it would wipe him out.
11:38
SPEAKER_00: But on the other hand, the lack of an independent board means there is nobody to say no to his wild ideas.
11:44
SPEAKER_00: The same traits that make a founder a genius can also make them a liability.
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SPEAKER_00: And let's be real, Musk's attention is split between Tesla, SpaceX, XAI, Neuralink, the Boring Company.
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SPEAKER_00: He's running several different revolutions at once.
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SPEAKER_00: Now the board has finally added a guardrail for a new shares to fest.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk must remain CEO or a product development executive through at least 2028, but is four more years enough to solve the problem?
12:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: He now has another ridiculous package waiting for him if he manages to achieve it.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla Shareholders approved a new 10-year compensation plan for Elon Musk with an unprecedented equity package that could be worth up to, hold your breath,$1 trillion over the next decade, giving him another 424 million shares if all benchmarks are achieved.
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SPEAKER_00: You might be wondering what does he need to do?
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SPEAKER_00: To give you a rough idea, he has to increase Tesla's market cap to$8.5 trillion, reach 20 million in vehicle deliveries, secure 10 million paid self-driving subscriptions, deploy 1 million robotaxis, and deploy 1 million humanoid robots.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: He must remain CEO for at least 7.5 to 10 years, and he is required to present a formal succession plan for the company once he leaves.
13:25
SPEAKER_00: Well, now you know where the incentives are, you know what Musk is going to do.
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SPEAKER_00: Now the heart of the investment thesis for Tesla is no longer the EV company alone.
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SPEAKER_00: They describe themselves as a physical AI company.
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SPEAKER_00: Now it's marketing fluff, but at the same time, they are serious.
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SPEAKER_00: They are betting the entire farm on two things, the CyberCab and Optimus.
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SPEAKER_00: In 2024, Musk unveiled the CyberCab, a two-seater with no steering wheels and no paddles.
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SPEAKER_00: In 2026, Tesla announced that the first production had units had rolled off the line at the Gigafactory in Texas.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk says that the goal is 2 million units per year.
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SPEAKER_00: Now obviously, this is quite impossible to predict, but you know, it's Musk.
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SPEAKER_00: There's also the regulatory wall.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk thinks he can bypass the 2500 unit cap on non-standard vehicles by self-certifying that the cyber cap is safe.
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SPEAKER_00: But vehicles without steering wheels are still illegal in most of the US and certainly in Europe.
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SPEAKER_00: Waymo, however, owned by Google, is already years ahead with millions of unsupervised miles.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: To win in this AI war, you need compute power.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla is now building its own chips, but they are still dependent on the semiconductor web.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: During the 2020 chip shortage, the automotive industry was hit the hardest because they scaled back orders too early.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla was the only one that didn't hit the brakes, which is how they stole so much market share in 2021.
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SPEAKER_00: But today the struggle is about EUV.
15:11
SPEAKER_00: To run the AI that powers robotaxis, Tesla needs the fastest chips on Earth, which are only made on ASML machines at TSMC factories.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: So you are only as strong as your weakest supplier, right?
15:25
SPEAKER_00: It's the reality of hardware.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: You can have the best AI in the world, but if you can't get a specific valve or high-end lens from a supplier like, I don't know, Zeiss, your factory stops.
15:37
SPEAKER_00: This is where things get really interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: The humanoid robot.
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SPEAKER_00: Musk has called this potentially the biggest product ever.
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SPEAKER_00: The idea is that you have a robot that can do a human labor for$3 an hour.
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SPEAKER_00: You can change the very structure of the economy if this works.
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SPEAKER_00: In May 2026, Tesla is actually dismantling its Model S and X production lines in Fremont to make room for their first Optimus factory.
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SPEAKER_00: They are targeting a capacity of 1 million units a year at Fremont and 10 million units a year at the new facility in Texas.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: A quick reality check.
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SPEAKER_00: In early 2025, Musk predicted that they would build 10,000 robots by the end of 2025, and the actual number of robots?
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SPEAKER_00: Just keep that in mind, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The Optimus has over 10,000 unique parts.
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SPEAKER_00: Manufacturing a humanoid robot at scale is a task of almost insane complexity.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: Boston Dynamics is also already shipping its electric Atlas robot to Hyundai factories, and Figure AI has a pilot at BMW.
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SPEAKER_00: So Tesla is not alone in this race.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: Now let's briefly go over the financials.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla currently has a market cap of around 1.6 trillion, generating close to$100 billion in revenue.
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SPEAKER_00: They employ over 134,000 people with a return on invested capital of just over 20%.
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SPEAKER_00: The car sales are the majority of revenue, about 70 billion.
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SPEAKER_00: It declined 10% year over year.
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SPEAKER_00: Energy generation and storage actually grew by almost 30% last year to almost$13 billion.
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SPEAKER_00: The same goes for services and other, growing about 20% year over year.
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SPEAKER_00: It's funny how the core car business is shrinking, but the other segments are growing fast.
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SPEAKER_00: Tesla Energy is definitely a hidden growth engine.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: But the real story is margin compression.
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SPEAKER_00: In 2022, Tesla's operating margin was 16.8%.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: But in Q1 2026, it was down to 4.2%.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: They are caught in a brutal price war in China and Europe.
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SPEAKER_00: Now these EVs and cars generate huge societal value, but no profit because of competition, same like the airline industry.
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SPEAKER_00: So, is the EV industry becoming the new airline industry?
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SPEAKER_00: They ended 2025 with$44 billion in cash.
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SPEAKER_00: Their debt-to-equity ratio is basically non-existent.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: This gives them massive staying power.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: They can afford to lose money on car sales for years while they wait for the robotaxi miracle to happen.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: Tesla's net income fell about 50% in 2025, but their operating cash flow stayed flat at$15 billion, so they're still generating a lot of cash.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: But obviously, this is not loved by investors who pay a large multiple for Tesla.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: Now you know I like to look through the lens of evolutionary biology.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: Tesla sometimes reminds me of the following.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: There's this book called What I Learned About Investing from Darwin.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: In this book, they mention two types of errors.
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SPEAKER_00: You have type 1 errors, you buy a bad business because you think it's good, self-harm, or a type 2 error, you reject the good business because you think it's bad, omission.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: Now obviously, if you didn't buy Tesla, you missed out on a massive return.
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SPEAKER_00: But for every Tesla, there are hundreds of unproven business models that end up in the dustbin.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, in this book, they use the Siberian Fox experiment as an example.
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SPEAKER_00: Researchers in Russia tried to domesticate wild foxes by selecting for only one trait, tameness.
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SPEAKER_00: And over generations, not only did the foxes became tame, but their physical appearances changed.
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SPEAKER_00: They got floppy ears and curly tails.
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SPEAKER_00: Now what does this have to do with Tesla?
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SPEAKER_00: If you're selecting Tesla, you're basically selecting it for one trait, autonomy.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: By focusing everything they have, full self-driving and dojo, they are fundamentally changing their DNA.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: But just as those foxes became physically different, Tesla is becoming a different beast.
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SPEAKER_00: It is no longer optimized for making high-quality, reliable cars.
20:20
SPEAKER_00: They just got rid of two, and the cyber truck recalls prove the quality isn't there either.
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SPEAKER_00: It is optimized for AI training.
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SPEAKER_00: The risk is that in the quest for autonomy, they lose the very thing that made them successful in the first place.
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SPEAKER_00: The ability to manufacture cars people actually want to buy.
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SPEAKER_00: If the tameness doesn't happen, you're left with a Fox, a car company, that can survive in the wild versus competition.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: If Tesla cannot get the full self-driving going, or the Optimus robots going, I mean, they are betting the farm.
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SPEAKER_00: On those optionalities, we will never be right on the valuation of Tesla.
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SPEAKER_00: Looking at it from a valuation basis like PE or price-to-free cash flow, it is way too overpriced.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: But that doesn't take into consideration all the optionality.
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SPEAKER_00: When looking at a reverse DCF, way of seeing what the market is pricing in, assuming a 15% required rate of return and a terminal growth rate of about 4%, the market expects Tesla to grow free cash flow about 55% annually for a decade.
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SPEAKER_00: If you believe that's possible, it's not so expensive.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Looking at the incentives, he has to reach an$8.5 trillion market cap.
21:45
SPEAKER_00: If he reaches that, you'll still get a very nice 4 5 times your money if you invested today's market cap.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: So my final closing thoughts on the company.
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SPEAKER_00: Because Tesla is almost the perfect company, as weird as It sounds.
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SPEAKER_00: This perfection comes with very high expectations.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: And when expectations are high, then the chances of disappointment are great.
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SPEAKER_00: In our opinion, Tesla has proven to be one of the best companies in the world.
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SPEAKER_00: They deserve that spot.
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SPEAKER_00: The vertical integration ensures that the company is operationally very sound.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: There's a clear focus on innovation.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: Innovation is embedded in the culture, the operational strategy, and even the compensation structure.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: Additionally, the management has repeatedly proven itself, and Tesla is led by a visionary.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: It is clear that Tesla is far from fully developed and it still has endless opportunities ahead.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: However, the fact remains that around 80% of its revenue comes from the sales of electric cars.
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SPEAKER_00: It is also clear that this market will grow.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: But we must not forget that the automotive market is a very tough business.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: Competition is always lurking.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: China is always lurking.
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SPEAKER_00: In our future predictions, we have tried to make some of our most realistic estimations for Tesla's future.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: Definitely take a look at our deep dive on tditerminal.com.
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SPEAKER_00: But a lot needs to go right to achieve even a reasonable return.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: That's it for today.
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SPEAKER_00: We hope you enjoyed this deep dive, and we'll see you in the next one!