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Behavioral Health Innovation and Expanding Access Across Communities with Dr. Manish Sapra · Becker's Healthcare Behavioral Health

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  - Welcome to the Becker's Behavioral Health Podcast. I'm
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  - Ella Reuter, your host. Today, I'm joined by
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  - Manish Sapra, system vice president of behavioral health
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  - services at CommonSpirit Health. He recently joined the
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  - system's national leadership team to help guide behavioral
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  - health strategy across one of the largest
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  - health systems in the country.
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  - Doctor. Sapra, thank you so much for joining
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  - us today.
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  - Thank you for having me. It's really exciting
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  - to be here, and, I hope you have
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  - a good conversation.
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  - Yes. I'm looking forward to it. Well, can
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  - you start us off by telling us a
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  - little bit more about yourself, your leadership background,
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  - and how you ended up at CommonSpirit?
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  - Sure. Yeah. I I joined CommonSpirit
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  - last November,
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  - and so it's been about eight months in
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  - the organization.
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  - I was hired to be the system vice
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  - president for, behavioral health services
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  - overseeing a new strategic service line in the
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  - system,
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  - which is,
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  - remarkable for the system to actually invest in
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  - a national behavioral health service line.
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  - As far as my background,
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  - I I was recently with another health system
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  - in New York, called Northwell, where I ran
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  - their behavioral health service line there
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  - for several years. And,
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  - part of that, I have had experience of
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  - working in,
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  - in in Pittsburgh,
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  - at UPMC,
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  - and then
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  - in rural,
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  - settings in Central Pennsylvania
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  - and community settings within Connecticut. So lot of
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  - experience of working community based organizations,
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  - community hospitals, which is really relevant right now
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  - in in this role, at Crown Spirit.
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  - And then, you know, over the years, I
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  - would say I've had sort of the,
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  - front row seat looking at health care consolidation
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  - and as large health systems build, you know,
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  - structures to
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  - connect their programs and,
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  - become more organized. I've had the pleasure of
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  - of creating that service line strategy, which is
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  - what brings me to common spirit as as
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  - the system is looking to do the same.
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  - Yes. Well, thank you so much for that
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  - brief overview there,
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  - especially with your leadership background. Again, thank you
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  - for touching on everything and showing just your
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  - breadth of work there.
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  - We talked with you, Beckers did, last November
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  - when you took on this position,
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  - and you told us how you were spending
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  - your first few months understanding the work that
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  - was already happening
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  - across CommonSpirit
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  - before,
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  - implementing any major changes.
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  - When you look across
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  - a system
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  - of this size like CommonSpirit,
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  - what opportunities do you see to standardize behavioral
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  - health strategy,
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  - and where do you believe standardization
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  - can have the greatest impact on quality,
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  - patient outcomes, and operational performance?
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  - Yeah. You know, before making any big changes,
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  - especially for a system this this big,
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  - it's it's really crucial to take a step
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  - back and get to know each market, each
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  - clinical setting that we are working on.
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  - And that's where I've invested my time. You
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  - know, because of our size, every community has
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  - such different needs, resources.
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  - There are different regulations that affect care.
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  - So I've spent the first few months just
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  - mapping out,
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  - what's already happening on the ground.
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  - We want to find those bright spots, the
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  - the practices that that are already working well
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  - and figure out how to scale them up
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  - so that the whole system can benefit.
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  - Now regarding standardization,
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  - you know, it's a huge opportunity for us
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  - to
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  - boost, both our quality and efficiency and and
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  - bring the economies of scale to to those,
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  - initiatives.
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  - My vision is really that
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  - we are able to
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  - centrally
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  - consult over what consistent guidelines should be,
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  - you know, whether it is working with our
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  - quality folks on building some peers,
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  - scorecards,
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  - to track our work,
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  - or to really sharpen how we use our
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  - electronic medical records. You know, we're we're doing
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  - a lot of work right now on
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  - admission auto sets and other auto sets and
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  - and, you know, what kind of analytics we
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  - can get from our from our electronic medical
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  - records. So
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  - those kind of initiatives give us an approach
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  - and a and a hope that we can
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  - actually,
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  - deliver some consistent message,
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  - centrally from the system
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  - about what it means to get being get
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  - getting better and how can we
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  - measure
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  - that success or or just keep an eye
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  - on how our operations are going.
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  - On top of that, if we standardize think,
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  - we are looking at our acute care models.
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  - Right? We're looking at EV throughput. We're looking
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  - at, efficiency in our inpatient care model, our
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  - crisis intervention model. We have set up some
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  - crisis
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  - stabilization units, in the system.
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  - How are those things working out? Whether we
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  - wanna enhance, expand that, that is, something
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  - the the service line, looks to
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  - advise the rest of the system on how
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  - to to build that.
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  - We're talking about expanding access to care, so
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  - cutting down on redundant processes. And this is
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  - a big one, like reducing those frustrating wait
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  - times for patients in the ER.
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  - So we're working on looking at ways to
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  - enhance
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  - our assessment
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  - in the emergency departments. We have several pockets
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  - of really good work that's going on in
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  - the system, and we're looking to
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  - to learn from that and bring it to
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  - the rest of the system. So this means
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  - giving,
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  - more comprehensive,
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  - evaluations
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  - and then,
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  - helping out with behavioral health transfers. We're starting
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  - to use some technology, some inbuilt, and some
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  - with our external partners
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  - on helping with those referrals,
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  - both internally and externally.
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  - So that's that's some work that we are
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  - focusing on.
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  - We're also looking to identify
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  - proactively,
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  - and preemptively
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  - using,
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  - you know, technology, analytics, even AI
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  - within
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  - our emergency departments as soon as patient, is
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  - showing up
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  - or within our broader,
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  - you know, patient population using,
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  - concepts like registries and
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  - identifying patients who are at risk so that
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  - we can have a more proactive approach in
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  - in reaching out
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  - and a timely approach in reaching out to
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  - those patients.
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  - See, ultimately, the goal is to balance everything.
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  - So we wanna maintain those high quality
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  - standards across the entire ministry, but we have
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  - to make sure that every region
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  - still gets that flexibility.
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  - You know, every market
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  - can develop a tailored toolkit
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  - that actually fits their unique patients and the
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  - resources they have on the hand. So
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  - it's,
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  - it's kind of work that that can start
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  - centrally, but it really is delivered,
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  - at a market or a site level, within
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  - our organization.
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  - Can you talk more about how you're thinking
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  - about balancing system wide behavioral health priorities and
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  - quality standards
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  - while still giving individual markets, you know, the
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  - flexibility
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  - to address unique patient populations
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  - and workforce realities
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  - and community partnerships as well?
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  - Yeah. That is such a perfect question. Right?
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  - It especially for an organization of this size,
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  - it
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  - really gets to the heart of the challenge.
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  - Honestly, the work always has to start locally,
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  - right at the site level.
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  - We are incredibly fortunate to have such great
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  - leaders,
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  - across the system,
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  - you know, behavioral health leaders.
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  - Many of them who have been deeply embedded
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  - in their communities and, and within our ministry
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  - for years,
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  - their firsthand knowledge is invaluable.
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  - So we lean heavily on their insight and
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  - judgment. And and how we get them
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  - engaged is, through building an extensive collaborative network.
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  - So we we have we have had a
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  - behavioral health collaborative for several years within the
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  - system, which has led to the right foundation
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  - to develop
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  - a a more,
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  - a robust behavioral service line structure.
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  - So this collaborative invites active participation from every
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  - single site. From there, we move up to
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  - the market level in the system, and the
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  - markets then report up to the region. So
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  - it's so so we move up to the
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  - market level where it's crucial to have our
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  - clinical operations and strategy leaders at the table,
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  - along with input from regulatory compliance, patient experience
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  - teams, and other stakeholders,
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  - that we have to work on, especially in
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  - behavioral health. There's advocacy, there's,
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  - philanthropy.
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  - And this process helps us,
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  - find that common ground across markets and regions
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  - as we look to develop,
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  - you know, strategic,
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  - plans.
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  - We've also,
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  - established,
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  - operational work groups focusing on everything from ambulatory
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  - care and inpatient services to patient experiences to
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  - work,
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  - in developing policies. So these work groups are
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  - within the behavioral health service line,
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  - and they also have participation from each of
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  - the local sites where this work is relevant.
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  - So once any of the initiatives
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  - are worked on within these groups,
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  - we bring it
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  - for feedback,
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  - to all our sites before anything is finalized,
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  - but let it be,
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  - you know, a a decision for
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  - developing a new program or if it's a
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  - new policy or if it's maybe a new
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  - order sets within our electronic medical record.
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  - One area that I'm really passionate about supporting
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  - in a in a more system wide strategy
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  - is for community partnerships.
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  - Right now, that's working well,
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  - in patches, but perhaps it's not that uniform
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  - or perhaps we've not had
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  - the the resources to work on it. So
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  - I was actually speaking with, one of our,
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  - rural hospitals recently, and they had done such
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  - a fantastic work collaborating with local psychiatric facilities
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  - that, you know, when we sat down with
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  - them to discuss how we could provide some
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  - national support, it became clear that they only
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  - had the right approach. They just needed the
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  - validation.
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  - That's exactly
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  - the kind of practices that I'll lift up
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  - and share across the rest of the organization
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  - so that, you know, as we're building our
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  - community partnerships, there's also focus on behavioral health,
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  - which is so much
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  - needed, especially when it comes to, you know,
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  - know, any strategy to enhance access to care.
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  - Mhmm.
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  - And is there anything that you look for
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  - specifically within these community partnerships?
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  - How do you approach these conversations
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  - and find that mutual understanding?
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  - Well, I think,
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  - if the
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  - community partners are also looking to solve the
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  - same problems that we are,
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  - and if they have,
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  - programs and services that fill the gaps,
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  - then those conversations
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  - become really easy.
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  - Then it's really about a set of values,
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  - you know, if if those align or not
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  - and on where where does that count ground
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  - where we can meet?
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  - So
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  - it's it's really about keeping the patient
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  - in the center
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  - and seeing what part of that patient's journey
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  - can be enhanced
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  - by that community partnership. That's at least what
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  - I, look for the most.
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  - Thank you so much. And
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  - a huge focus in behavioral health and especially
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  - for leaders has been behavioral health integration, and
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  - it just remains a major priority across health
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  - care in general. But operationalizing
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  - it across inpatient,
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  - outpatient, ambulatory
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  - settings is often easier said than done.
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  - How is CommonSphere approaching behavioral health integration today,
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  - and what opportunities
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  - do you see to strengthen
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  - those connections between behavioral health, primary care, specialty
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  - care, emergency departments, and acute care settings?
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  - Yeah. I mean, I think this is going
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  - to be a very
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  - significant,
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  - approach
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  - for us, and it has been, in the
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  - organization.
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  - So I'll start with
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  - perhaps go through clinical settings, and I can
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  - start with when patients show up in our
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  - our hospitals.
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  - First, in the emergency departments,
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  - several of our markets,
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  - have done
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  - really great work in building,
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  - peer recovery coaches or substance use disorder navigators,
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  - or community health workers,
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  - embedded within the emergency
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  - departments
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  - to, you know, do the screening,
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  - some interventions,
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  - and, referral to treatment. We have,
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  - also, in many of our markets, work with
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  - our emergency medicine colleagues in
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  - initiating, bridging treatment,
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  - for substance use disorders, MAT,
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  - and and other strategies. So that has been
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  - a a focus of,
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  - our system in many markets, and I certainly
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  - want to,
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  - enhance that.
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  - Almost all hospitals have some kind of a
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  - psychiatric
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  - support,
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  - whether it's in person or
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  - or,
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  - where our teleservices
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  - or with our with our external partners in
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  - bringing the psychiatry
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  - into the,
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  - physical health settings, whether it's ED or med
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  - surg floors. And this is something
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  - that I'm actively looking at at
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  - at both the,
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  - the strength of the work that is already
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  - there and what needs to be enhanced,
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  - and and how's the quality and and how
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  - we are working on that. So this is,
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  - something
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  - that, the service line can really
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  - deliver on.
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  - There are,
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  - many approaches on behavioral health integration beyond the,
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  - acute care side as as you know
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  - and and many of the listeners would know.
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  - And we have, across the system,
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  - use varying approaches depending on and this goes
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  - back to, you know, what is centralized and
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  - what is what can be standardized and what
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  - needs to be local.
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  - So there have been multiple approaches on behavioral
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  - health integration
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  - across the system.
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  - Some of the pockets where we have medical
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  - groups,
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  - that have, you know, strong
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  - outpatient
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  - behavioral health presence,
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  - and we do that in Pacific Northwest,
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  - in California,
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  - especially in Northern California markets. We are looking
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  - to
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  - use those resources to embed services
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  - in our, medical practices and our subspecialty
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  - practices.
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  - In Arizona, we've built a collaborative care model,
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  - by the book, and and, you know, we
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  - use collaborative care billing. And,
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  - and and that model is being expanded to
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  - other, re
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  - markets within that region.
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  - Similarly, we built behavioral health embedded care model
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  - virtually in Nebraska and Iowa markets.
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  - So there have been different approaches and, all
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  - good and all working, and we're looking to
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  - to work on how to enhance that. We've
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  - also worked with external partners
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  - in building,
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  - behavioral health integration, whether it is
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  - just, you know, collaborative care or even specialty
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  - care, like in eating disorders and other programs,
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  - where we bring in behavioral health resources
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  - with our external vendors into our,
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  - primary care site.
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  - So it's a long winded answer, but it
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  - is,
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  - basically an all of the above approach.
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  - But an important approach,
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  - of improving access, improving,
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  - behavioral health
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  - care, and and one that will be central
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  - to our service line strategy.
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  - Yes. Well, thank you. I know integration is
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  - a very complex,
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  - question to answer and navigating, so I appreciate
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  - you taking that question on. And
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  - speaking of integration,
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  - I'd love to know more about how Commisphere
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  - is approaching
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  - substance use disorder care
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  - across the nation.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So I,
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  - spoke about I work with peer recovery coaches
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  - and SUD navigators, which primarily, you know, was
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  - done in California where we
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  - all of our hospitals,
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  - almost in California, and I believe we have
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  - 27, 28 hospitals in California,
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  - where we, brought in substance use disorder navigators.
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  - And we've had a really,
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  - strong champion
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  - in that,
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  - region,
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  - from our emergency medicine services.
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  - And that physician,
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  - has, worked a lot in
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  - bridging care,
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  - to these, patients. That program has been going
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  - on more than five years now.
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  - We've also done other work in our mountain
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  - region
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  - in, which is, you know, primarily Colorado, Utah,
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  - and Kansas markets where we have,
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  - worked on enhancing
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  - MAT,
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  - in acute care settings. So we're really proud
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  - of that work, and we're looking to expand
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  - that further.
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  - We do not do a lot of substance
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  - use disorder on the acute care side as
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  - such,
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  - except for in couple
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  - of couple of our markets.
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  - But,
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  - there is a lot of substance use disorder
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  - that we see obviously across the system
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  - as as comorbid conditions in our acute care
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  - facilities.
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  - You know, one of the things that I'm
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  - really proud of, that the system has done
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  - is, working on an anti stigma campaign.
• 18:41
  - We have done,
• 18:43
  - and it's not been a one approach. There
• 18:45
  - have been several approaches. We've done a lot
• 18:47
  - of educational work. We've done
• 18:50
  - awareness
• 18:52
  - campaigns, including, you know, some short form videos,
• 18:55
  - some
• 18:56
  - CME,
• 18:58
  - grade, trainings,
• 19:00
  - that are available
• 19:01
  - for,
• 19:02
  - folks who are interested.
• 19:04
  - And we've also collaborated with,
• 19:07
  - EHA,
• 19:08
  - on their anti stigma campaign for broader mental
• 19:11
  - health issues.
• 19:13
  - And and,
• 19:14
  - so those those things have really been very
• 19:17
  - helpful working just internally within the organization
• 19:20
  - to
• 19:21
  - to attack,
• 19:23
  - you know, stigma related to substance use disorders.
• 19:27
  - I think this will be a significant,
• 19:30
  - strategy again for for our service line to
• 19:32
  - work and,
• 19:33
  - you know, to support
• 19:35
  - the good work that has gone on in
• 19:37
  - some several of our markets and bringing that
• 19:39
  - to the rest of the system.
• 19:42
  - So a lot to be still done, but
• 19:44
  - I'm very happy with what I've seen, has
• 19:46
  - been done so far.
• 19:48
  - Wonderful. And I think that's a perfect transition
• 19:50
  - into our next question of where are the
• 19:52
  - biggest growth opportunities that you're seeing in behavioral
• 19:55
  - health services over the next several years?
• 19:58
  - Yeah. I mean, well, the biggest opportunity for
• 20:01
  - growth are really in filling the gaps that
• 20:03
  - exist in our continuum of care.
• 20:05
  - You know, whether that's expanding access to comprehensive
• 20:08
  - care in the EDs like we talked about,
• 20:10
  - building care navigation
• 20:12
  - transfers at at Southern markets. The other places
• 20:14
  - might be, you know, building integrated care,
• 20:18
  - and, expanding integrated care, if it already exists,
• 20:24
  - improving the quality of services,
• 20:27
  - that we are able to provide,
• 20:28
  - on our, med surge floors.
• 20:31
  - And I'm also working with other other
• 20:33
  - service lines.
• 20:36
  - Wisconsin Spirit has a great, women's and infant
• 20:38
  - service line. We're working a lot on perinatal
• 20:41
  - mental health and how, we know we're doing
• 20:43
  - great work in screening
• 20:45
  - now for perinatal care, but also now working
• 20:48
  - on,
• 20:49
  - with our OB GYN colleagues,
• 20:51
  - to build integrated care.
• 20:54
  - So that'll be a new initiative,
• 20:56
  - that we'll work on, but that's a great
• 20:58
  - area
• 20:59
  - of opportunity
• 21:00
  - just to give you an example.
• 21:02
  - And then,
• 21:04
  - you know, we're not above the financial realities
• 21:06
  - and regulatory environment.
• 21:08
  - So, you know, things that that are,
• 21:11
  - just anyways barriers to grow behavioral health. But
• 21:13
  - I think the our approach will have to
• 21:15
  - be innovative.
• 21:17
  - We'll focus on, you know, disseminating the psychiatry,
• 21:20
  - the behavioral health expertise,
• 21:23
  - any way we can. We talked a lot
• 21:24
  - about, you know, for example,
• 21:27
  - integration,
• 21:28
  - which is a great way of doing that.
• 21:31
  - And where there'll be a lot of focus
• 21:33
  - on really on efficiency and improving,
• 21:36
  - quality of care. And,
• 21:39
  - these,
• 21:40
  - approaches
• 21:41
  - are are, you know, all an opportunity to
• 21:44
  - build a better behavioral health care
• 21:47
  - culture.
• 21:48
  - We're also looking,
• 21:49
  - to create that internal infrastructure so that,
• 21:53
  - various parts of the organization can get quick
• 21:55
  - consultation
• 21:56
  - on, you know, any strategic program they wanna
• 21:59
  - grow or any quality improvement efforts they wanna
• 22:02
  - take on or any technology related to behavioral
• 22:05
  - health that they wanna bring on.
• 22:07
  - So I that will be another area
• 22:10
  - for the service line to work on.
• 22:13
  - We're looking at our payer strategy and opportunities
• 22:16
  - there. I'm working closely with our, you know,
• 22:18
  - population health, organization to seeing opportunities
• 22:21
  - where value based care,
• 22:23
  - which could be,
• 22:25
  - especially,
• 22:26
  - you know,
• 22:27
  - a great opportunity for behavioral health to grow,
• 22:30
  - especially in areas of care,
• 22:32
  - coordination, care management,
• 22:34
  - and treating patients with,
• 22:36
  - severe mental illness,
• 22:38
  - also in primary care and
• 22:41
  - integrated care. So I think pop health will
• 22:43
  - be a significant,
• 22:45
  - area of, focus for the behavioral health service
• 22:48
  - line.
• 22:49
  - So, yeah, I hope,
• 22:50
  - it's given you a good good view of,
• 22:52
  - like, where there are some of those opportunities
• 22:55
  - exist. But, yeah, I mean, if the central
• 22:57
  - thing is to be innovative and and look
• 22:59
  - at areas which really improve our efficiency.
• 23:03
  - Well, wonderful.
• 23:05
  - Doctor Sopra, thank you so much for joining
• 23:07
  - us and sharing your insights on common spirit
• 23:09
  - health, behavioral health strategy and transformation efforts.
• 23:13
  - And thank you to our listeners for tuning
• 23:15
  - into Becker's Behavioral Health Podcast. We'll see you
• 23:17
  - next time.
• 23:19
  - Great. Thank you.