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Credlin | 8 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm James
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Speaker 2: Macpherson filling in for Peter Credlin. Here's what's coming up.
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Speaker 2: Worrying signs for Labor in key states, with the latest
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Speaker 2: news poll showing the coalition breaking away in Queensland and
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Speaker 2: in New South Wales. So can the PM use the
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Speaker 2: midwinter break to try to claw back some territory analysis
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Speaker 2: on that shortly? The fallout from the UK election continues
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Speaker 2: with the Tories absolutely decimated and in dire need of
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Speaker 2: a new direction. But as I'll get to later, it's
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Speaker 2: not all good news for Labor with a huge swing
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Speaker 2: away from them at the election. Plus Chris Bowen remains
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Speaker 2: cagy when it comes to consulting the community on a
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Speaker 2: massive wind farm off the New South Wales south coast.
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Speaker 2: So can I set an inquiry get some answers. I'll
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Speaker 2: speak with the Senator who's leading the charge a little
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Speaker 2: bit later. And how can the deputy lead of the
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Speaker 2: Greens not unequivocally condemned the terrorist outfit harmas this would
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Speaker 2: be laughable if it wasn't driving a wedge right through
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Speaker 2: Australian society, but first Australia owes Fatima Payman a great
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Speaker 2: vote of thanks. The renegade senator put religion back on
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Speaker 2: the front page last week after revealing she sought guidance
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Speaker 2: from Allah as to her decisions in the Senate. After
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Speaker 2: praying to Allah, the twenty nine year old broke ranks
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Speaker 2: with her labor colleagues to vote with the Greens in
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Speaker 2: favor of Palestinian statehood, and she since quit the party altogether,
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Speaker 2: moving to the cross bench where she'll await guidance on
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Speaker 2: her next move. But the very idea that Payman sought
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Speaker 2: wisdom from Allah before voting on policy issues has surprised
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Speaker 2: many Australians who rarely give a second thought to religion,
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Speaker 2: and it's resulted in the predictable calls for senators and
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Speaker 2: MPs to leave their religion at the door. Well, those
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Speaker 2: calls are incredibly naive. Fact is that no one arrives
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Speaker 2: in Canberra, or at any policy issue for that matter,
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Speaker 2: values free. We all have a religion, whether we believe
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Speaker 2: in God or not. Your religion or if you prefer
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Speaker 2: your worldview, is, in essence your answer to the big questions,
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Speaker 2: where do we come from, what's the purpose of life?
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Speaker 2: On what basis do we determine what's right and what's wrong,
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Speaker 2: what happens when you die? And a person's answer to
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Speaker 2: those questions reveals the worldview or lens that informs all
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Speaker 2: of their decisions. For example, a Christian MP who believes
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Speaker 2: people are created in God's image would find it impossible
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Speaker 2: to agree that abortion is okay. An atheist, on the
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Speaker 2: other hand, who insists human life is entirely accidental and
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Speaker 2: no more imbued with the divine than say, a banana,
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Speaker 2: would have no principle grounds to object to abortion, even
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Speaker 2: if he or she found it distasteful. My point's not
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Speaker 2: about whether abortion is right or wrong, only that both
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Speaker 2: support and opposition to it are informed by religion, whether
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Speaker 2: you believe in God or not. So it's redundant to
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Speaker 2: ask whether or not it's appropriate for politicians to seek
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Speaker 2: guidance from religion, since they're already being guided by their religion,
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Speaker 2: whether they realize it or even acknowledge it. The better
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Speaker 2: question is which religion we would prefer our politicians to
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Speaker 2: be taking their cues from. Senator paymen like Green's deputy leader,
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Speaker 2: Marine Feruki, is a devout Muslim, and so of course
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Speaker 2: she'd be taking her cues from Mohammed, just as a
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Speaker 2: Christian politician would seek wisdom from Jesus. The question of
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Speaker 2: religion in politics is really a question of who we'd
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Speaker 2: prefer our leaders to get their marching orders from. And
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Speaker 2: on that question, well, you don't need a master's in
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Speaker 2: comparative religion to work it out. Just take a look
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Speaker 2: around the globe. Western nations like the UK, the USA
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Speaker 2: and Australia are overwhelmingly built on a Judaeo Christian worldview.
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Speaker 2: Middle Eastern nations like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia have
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Speaker 2: been built on an Islamic world view. So which would
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Speaker 2: you prefer? And let's not forget our atheist friends who
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Speaker 2: consciously or not take their cues from Nietzsche, who declared
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Speaker 2: that God is dead and so without any higher power
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Speaker 2: than ourselves, we must make up our own reality. What
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Speaker 2: is a woman? So you can build a nation on Jesus,
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Speaker 2: Mohammad or Nietzsche, the law of love, Sharia law or
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Speaker 2: the law of the jungle. Now at this point I
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Speaker 2: can hear people protesting that Australia is not a Christian country.
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Speaker 2: Where a secular country, they'll insist. The irony, of course,
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Speaker 2: is that a secular country is a Christian idea. Separation
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Speaker 2: of church and state is itself a Christian idea. It
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Speaker 2: was Jesus, after all, who said, give to Caesar what
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Speaker 2: is caesars, and give to God what is God's promoting,
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Speaker 2: For the first time in human history the idea there
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Speaker 2: should be a line between government and religion. The people
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Speaker 2: who insist Australia as a secular country can only insist
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Speaker 2: Australia as a secular country thanks to the fact that
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Speaker 2: Australia is still predominantly a Christian country. Try telling the
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Speaker 2: Ayatola of Iran that you want a secular state. Try
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Speaker 2: telling the leaders of Palestine that religion should play no
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Speaker 2: part in government. Australia's founders never imagined a theocracy, but
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Speaker 2: nor did they imagine a country so disconnected from religion
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Speaker 2: that politicians were expected to make decisions without seeking wisdom
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Speaker 2: from above. The preamble to the Constitution, written in nineteen
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Speaker 2: oh one, declares that Australia would be a nation and
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Speaker 2: I quote humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God.
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Speaker 2: Notice it doesn't say humbly relying on the blessing of
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Speaker 2: Almighty Allah. If it did, we'd be more like Somalia
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Speaker 2: than Australia, which is absolutely fine if you prefer Somalia
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Speaker 2: to Australia. I'm just saying that worldviews have real world consequences.
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Speaker 2: Our forefathers knew that, and we do well to be
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Speaker 2: reminded of it. A lot of people complain that our
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Speaker 2: country is not what it used to be, that it's
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Speaker 2: changed and not for the better. A lot of people
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Speaker 2: are also waking up to the fact that the change
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Speaker 2: in our nation, well, it's more than economic. And on
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Speaker 2: that I couldn't agree more. Somewhere along the lines, it
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Speaker 2: became expected that our politicians would ignore the Constitution's preamble Christianity,
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Speaker 2: with all its freedoms and prosperity, so yesterday and so
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Speaker 2: like a sailor who stopped believing in the stars, and
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Speaker 2: so tied a lamp to the master of his boat
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Speaker 2: and decided to navigate by that, our political class have
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Speaker 2: done what's right in their own eyes, without reference to
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Speaker 2: anybody or anything else. The results have been disastrous. Maybe
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Speaker 2: we shouldn't be quite so quick to turn our backs
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Speaker 2: on the Christian faith that, after all, has gotten us
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Speaker 2: this far. The famed atheist Richard Dawkins recently told journalists
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Speaker 2: he regretted that England was losing its Christian identity, ironic
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Speaker 2: since Dawkins has spent most of his professional life ridiculing Christianity.
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Speaker 2: But while Hawkins doesn't believe in the Bible or in
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Speaker 2: the claims of Jesus, he's not so silly as to
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Speaker 2: think his life would be more prosperous or freer under
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Speaker 2: any other influence. As the great writer C. S. Lewis
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Speaker 2: once observed, even if you don't believe Christianity to be true,
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Speaker 2: you should wish that it was the push now on
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Speaker 2: around the Western world, not least here in Australia. For
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Speaker 2: Islam to play a greater role in public policy might
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Speaker 2: actually do us all a huge favor. It may just
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Speaker 2: jog the memories of some who've forgotten that the Christian
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Speaker 2: faith has overwhelmingly been the great guarrant tour of personal
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Speaker 2: liberty and prosperity. Those who ridicule it, or mock it
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Speaker 2: or wish it away are naive in the extreme. As
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Speaker 2: someone once said about two thousand years ago, Father forgive them.
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Speaker 2: They don't know what they are doing. Well, Let's head
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Speaker 2: to Camber Now for tonight's political headlines with Sky News
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Speaker 2: political reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 3: Politicians back home for the long five week midwinter break,
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Speaker 3: A chance to reset after a mess is sitting fortnite
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister keen to move on from the resignation
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Speaker 3: of Labor Senator Fatima Payman. Today she accused former colleagues
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Speaker 3: of backgrounding against her, including over her duel Afghan citizenship.
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Speaker 4: Look, it's bizarre that this may set a precedence that's
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Speaker 4: not really constructive. It's quite flattering that people still want
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Speaker 4: to talk about me and give you information that I
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Speaker 4: had given to them in confidence.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Opposition leader Peter Dutton will spend the week in Washington.
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Speaker 3: He's attending the US Leadership Dialogue. Back home, an old
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Speaker 3: foe took aim.
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Speaker 5: What sort of Prime minister will Peter Dutton make if
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Speaker 5: he wins?
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Speaker 1: I think that's something we should contemplate with dread falls
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Speaker 1: a thug.
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Speaker 3: Another former prime minister, though, provided a big endorsement for
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Speaker 3: the coalition's nuclear pitch.
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Speaker 6: I think Peter Dutton has shown great boldness and it
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Speaker 6: makes sense and I applaud him and I'll do everything
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Speaker 6: I can to help him.
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Speaker 3: Beyond the seven sites and the potential twenty thirty five
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Speaker 3: start date, there's still big un knowns, including how much
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Speaker 3: nuclear will cost.
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Speaker 5: You'll see it more, you'll seat well before the election.
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Speaker 5: You'll see all of these things come out in packages
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Speaker 5: that we expect the people to be able to understand
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Speaker 5: and question, because if you come out with everything all
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Speaker 5: in one hit, people don't understand what to ask.
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Speaker 3: A new tool in Australia's army arsenal killer drones will
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Speaker 3: be acquired. The Splitchblade three hundreds are easily portable, can
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Speaker 3: fit in a backpack, and have the advantage of being
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Speaker 3: operated by just one soldier. They've been a crucial part
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Speaker 3: of Ukraine's resistance against Russia.
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Speaker 1: The lessons from Ukraine are that drones are an essential
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Speaker 1: part of a modern military's armory.
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Speaker 3: The government tight lipped about how many they'll buy and
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Speaker 3: how much it'll cost the taxpayer.
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Speaker 1: This is one part of the ten billion dollars we're
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Speaker 1: spending on drones and autonomous vehicles over the next decade.
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Speaker 7: These are things that are nice to have, but they're
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Speaker 7: not really going to address how more immediate strategic needs.
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Speaker 5: Does nothing to tanks, It does nothing to any armored vehicles.
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Speaker 5: Is very expensive way for a soft kill.
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Speaker 3: Trudy McIntosh Sky News can bra.
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Speaker 2: Well for more on today's big stories. I'm joined by
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Speaker 2: two other James's Sky News host and Daily Telegraph National
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Speaker 2: Affairs editor James Morrow, and One Nation Chief of Staff
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Speaker 2: James Ashby. Gentlemen will try not to get confused with
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Speaker 2: names here, but let's start with the ongoing fallout from
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Speaker 2: the landmark nz YQ immigration detention ruling, which of course
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Speaker 2: saw one hundred and forty criminal detainees released into the
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Speaker 2: community late last year. Now the Federal Court has been
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Speaker 2: forced to convene a special panage panel of judges to
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Speaker 2: tackle the wave of challenges that's engulfed the legal system
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Speaker 2: since that ruling. James Ashby, let me go to you.
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Speaker 2: There's been twenty five appeals already lodged and no doubt
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Speaker 2: more to come, and the Labor government still hasn't sought
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Speaker 2: out their migration issues. Their challenges range from people seeking
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Speaker 2: damages for being illegally detained and people challengeing ankle bracelets curfews,
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Speaker 2: and this likely could go on for a couple of years.
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Speaker 2: What on earth do you make of all this?
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Speaker 8: Well, it's all costing the Australian taxpayer hundreds of millions
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Speaker 8: of dollars. That's what it will cost by the time
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Speaker 8: every single one of these cases have been heard. We
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Speaker 8: know that litigation is not getting any cheaper, and particularly
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Speaker 8: when it involves taking a senior council top paid litigation
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Speaker 8: specialists that are going to the High Court.
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Speaker 9: It's tying our court process up and all.
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Speaker 8: In the meanwhile, Australians are scratching their heads wondering how
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Speaker 8: the hell Labor made such a mess.
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Speaker 9: Of this situation.
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Speaker 8: Giles has got to go, but this Prime Minister couldn't
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Speaker 8: sack payment, so we've got Buckley's chance of getting rid
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Speaker 8: of Giles.
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Speaker 9: At this rate.
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Speaker 8: It's a disaster and Australians are deeply ashamed of what
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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister has allowed to happen in this country
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Speaker 8: with those people who should have been deported.
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Speaker 9: They're criminals the most part.
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Speaker 8: These people are hardcore criminals that pose a risk to
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Speaker 8: all other Australians and yet they're allowed to be released
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Speaker 8: free in a monst our community under this Labor government.
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Speaker 2: It does beg the question what do you have to
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Speaker 2: do to lose your job in the Labor Party. The
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Speaker 2: latest News poll out today shows promising signs for the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: They're pulling ahead of Labor in key battleground states Queensland
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Speaker 2: and in New South Wales, and the Coalition now supports
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Speaker 2: majority now enjoys rather majority support among male voters. James Morrow,
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Speaker 2: first to you, Labour's lost significant support among eighteen to
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Speaker 2: thirty four year olds, with those demographic shifting to the Greens.
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Speaker 2: Now that was discovered before Fatima Payman left the Labor Party.
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Speaker 2: Is this a worry for Labor losing that demographic to
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Speaker 2: the Greens.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think that, combined with everything else we're seeing
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Speaker 7: James McPherson, is a huge word for the Labor Party
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Speaker 7: because if you take that in carbon, with everything else
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Speaker 7: that is happening out there in the numbers to Labor,
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Speaker 7: you see a party that is increasingly getting pulled apart
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Speaker 7: by the different polls of loyalty that it has. So
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Speaker 7: on the one hand, you know, Labor has reset itself
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Speaker 7: in the last decade or two decades as the party
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Speaker 7: of the big end of town. You know, it is
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Speaker 7: tied closely to corporate Australia. Now it is tied closely
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Speaker 7: to the big super funds, it is tied closely to
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Speaker 7: the big unions, it's tied, you know, closely to all
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Speaker 7: those big establishment interests. On the other hand, now it's
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Speaker 7: also being tied closer and closer to the Greens, to
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Speaker 7: other potential minor parties that we're seeing crop up with
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Speaker 7: their own sort of fringe issues out there that are
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Speaker 7: going to be dragging it further and further away from that.
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Speaker 7: And then now we've got this age issue here where
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Speaker 7: the young vote and especially the female vote is sliding
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Speaker 7: towards the Green. And the other interesting thing about this
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Speaker 7: too is that within those numbers we see the male
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Speaker 7: vote is shifting to the Coalition, which is something that
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Speaker 7: we've seen in other countries. So we've got a political divide,
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Speaker 7: we've got an age divide, and we've also got a
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Speaker 7: genera divide, and Labor is now caught between all of
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Speaker 7: these different tugging forces on it and it's going to
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Speaker 7: be very hard to see how this becomes a mass
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Speaker 7: movement party like it has tried to be in the past.
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Speaker 2: James Ashby, it seems like the entire state of Queensland
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Speaker 2: has fallen out of love with labor. I mean, Brisbane
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Speaker 2: has an LNP mayor, David Christo Foley looks likely to
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Speaker 2: become premier in October, and now the coalition's leading the
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Speaker 2: federal polls. What has labor done to Queensland.
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Speaker 8: Well, they've quite literally over the last wal close to
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Speaker 8: a decade now destroyed this state. If it's not the
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Speaker 8: youth crime that is making people live in fear right
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Speaker 8: across towns like mine here in Keppel, right up far north.
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Speaker 8: And now we're seeing people living in fear down in
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Speaker 8: our major cities because these kids are just running riot
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Speaker 8: across the state. But not only that, you've got to
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Speaker 8: state here, which is just absolutely covered in red tape.
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Speaker 9: Because of this state government. We've seen excise.
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Speaker 8: Or the taxes royalties in our mining sector go through
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Speaker 8: the roof, which has made major corporations abandoned this state.
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Speaker 8: We've got ramping in our hospitals, a short fall of
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Speaker 8: nurses at least fourteen hundred nurses short here. Our education
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Speaker 8: department is failing because we cannot attract enough school teachers.
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Speaker 9: It is decaying. And a Bruce Highway that is like
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Speaker 9: a goat.
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Speaker 8: Track and more and more of the weeks that I
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Speaker 8: spend up here in North Queensland and Central Queensland, I
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Speaker 8: see the Bruce Highway close and more deaths every single days.
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Speaker 9: It's not road worthy anymore.
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Speaker 8: So that's what this Labor State government have done, and
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Speaker 8: that is why voters are turning to people like myself
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Speaker 8: and minor parties like One Nation. So I think we're
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Speaker 8: in for a change when that election comes October twenty six.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're absolutely right about the Bruce Highway. Driven
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Speaker 2: that road plenty of times. Myself and the Labour Party
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Speaker 2: have allocated five hundred million dollars for a wind farm
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Speaker 2: but delayed funding to fix up the highway. Can you
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Speaker 2: believe it. I've spoke in the opening about Fatima Payman,
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Speaker 2: who sensationally quit the Labor Party on Thursday.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 2: Questions have been raised about the senator's citizenship and whether
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Speaker 2: it affects her ability to remain in the Senate as
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Speaker 2: an independent. Payment was granted Australian citizenship in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and five, and so she took reasonable steps to renounce
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Speaker 2: her Afghan citizenship, but in twenty twenty one, the Afghanistan
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Speaker 2: Embassy said her request for a reunciation could not be completed,
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, Are these valid concerns or is Labor just
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Speaker 2: playing petty political games by putting this out there.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Look, it's going to be rare for me to take
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Speaker 7: far to a payment's side on this here. But this
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Speaker 7: really does feel like a classic labor stitch up. You know.
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Speaker 7: They're like, they would have known about this, They would
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Speaker 7: have had this in their back pocket. They would have
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Speaker 7: vetted her when they put up for the Labor party
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Speaker 7: and for the for the Senate seat. They would have
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Speaker 7: known all of this. This is now a hail Mary
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Speaker 7: play because they are furious at payment for what she
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Speaker 7: has done to them. And fair enough, but you know,
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Speaker 7: let's be real clear about this. Thought him a payment
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Speaker 7: came over here, I think in nineteen ninety nine. I
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Speaker 7: think so even before nine to eleven. The idea that,
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Speaker 7: you know, the Afghan government that was there then has
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Speaker 7: anything to do with the Afghan government now run by
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Speaker 7: the Taliban, you know, is a bit of a nonsense.
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Speaker 7: The idea that there's some sort of bureaucratic mechanism like
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Speaker 7: if you were renouncing your Italian citizenship or your Japanese
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Speaker 7: citizenship or you know, the citizenship of any other functional nation.
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Speaker 7: You know, that doesn't exist here. And I think this
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Speaker 7: attempt by Labor to get her on this just strikes
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Speaker 7: me as really really desperate. You know, they did the
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Speaker 7: same thing to die league with the Independent who knocked
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Speaker 7: out Christina Kannely in the twenty two election. They tried
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Speaker 7: to make this a big deal about it for her.
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Speaker 7: And of course you know she came over as a
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Speaker 7: child from Vietnam after it had been overrun by the Communists,
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Speaker 7: and you know, again the same thing that government didn't
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Speaker 7: exist anymore. It's just Labor, I think playing games.
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Speaker 2: It's Patty Fair coll Fair col thew were on too,
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Speaker 2: of course, a friend of Senator Payment and that is
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Speaker 2: Marine Ferruki from the Greens. She appeared on ABC's Insiders
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Speaker 2: yesterday but spent a lot of time dodging questions over
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Speaker 2: her mass. Let me just remind you of her comments.
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Speaker 10: There, does Hamas need to be dismantled?
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Speaker 11: Well, listen to the situation with Hamas is it has
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Speaker 11: nothing to do with Palestinian statehood and Palestinian self.
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Speaker 10: The question was we have dismanled.
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Speaker 11: The Palestinians need to decide where they want to go.
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Speaker 10: With their own region. So if they choose Hamas, that's okay, David,
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Speaker 10: that is such.
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Speaker 11: What can I say?
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Speaker 10: Do you think Hamas should be dismantled?
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Speaker 11: Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization and there is
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Speaker 11: no absolutely no change we're demanding in that.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, James Ashby, seems like a pretty straightforward answer.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
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Speaker 8: Well, that's why Marine Ferruki is no friend of One
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Speaker 8: Nations nor the rest of the country, and she certainly
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Speaker 8: doesn't represent the majority of Australians who clearly identify that
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Speaker 8: her Mus is a terrorist organization. I don't know how
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Speaker 8: difficult it is for the Greens Party to be able to.
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Speaker 9: Spit that out.
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Speaker 8: And here they are defending those people who climbed all
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Speaker 8: over our heart of democracy in Parliament House last week
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Speaker 8: and flew the har Musk symbol the upside down red triangle,
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Speaker 8: which clearly states that they are in support of her Mus.
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Speaker 8: This is a woman who should not be in that
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Speaker 8: parliament with the views that she carries. I'm sorry, but
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Speaker 8: the Greens are just a protest group in that parliament today.
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Speaker 8: They're far from the organization that used to love trees
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Speaker 8: and love our environment. No, they stand for everything other
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Speaker 8: than Australia. And I'm sorry but that was just the
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Speaker 8: poorest attempt and it should be played far and wide
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Speaker 8: that in you to show people the Greens no longer
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Speaker 8: stand for Australia.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, well, James Ashby, James Morrow, thank you both for
20:09
Speaker 2: your time and by the way, make sure you tune
20:10
Speaker 2: into Paul Murray Live tonight with James Morrow filling in.
20:14
Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break, But coming up
20:17
Speaker 2: Senator Jacinta Nampajimpa Price on a new report which reveals
20:21
Speaker 2: the impacts of labour scrapping, the cash List debit card
20:24
Speaker 2: and her reaction to the Alice Springs curfew. Plus as
20:27
Speaker 2: the dust settles on the UK election, we'll get into
20:30
Speaker 2: all the details, including what the future of the Conservatives
20:33
Speaker 2: looks like. All of that in just a moment. Welcome back.
20:41
Speaker 2: Still to come. Will a Senate inquiry be able to
20:43
Speaker 2: get answers as to how a massive wind farm will
20:46
Speaker 2: impact the new South Wales South Coast? But first, it
20:49
Speaker 2: was an absolute bloodbath for the Tories in Britain's general election,
20:53
Speaker 2: ending fourteen years of Conservative government. But the election also
20:58
Speaker 2: played out as a repudiation of the major parties. Labor
21:01
Speaker 2: and the Tories were barely able to muster sixty percent
21:03
Speaker 2: of the vote, combined with minor parties on both the
21:06
Speaker 2: left and the right picking up seats. So let's find
21:09
Speaker 2: out how that election played out and what it all
21:12
Speaker 2: means for the future of the UK. I'm joined now
21:15
Speaker 2: by the editor at Spiked Online, Tom Slater. Tom Welcome.
21:19
Speaker 2: Labour ended on four hundred and twelve seats, but their
21:22
Speaker 2: share of the vote is down by thirty five percent.
21:26
Speaker 2: Explain to me how that works. And obviously it's not
21:29
Speaker 2: exactly a ringing endorsement, is it.
21:32
Speaker 12: It really isn't It was an extraordinarily weird election as
21:35
Speaker 12: far as you say, Labour on paper have been handed
21:37
Speaker 12: this historic majority, and yet it is on thirty four
21:40
Speaker 12: percent of the vote. Just to give you some context,
21:42
Speaker 12: that's six percent lower than Jeremy Corbyn got in twenty
21:46
Speaker 12: seventeen as leader of the Labour Party, and it's only
21:47
Speaker 12: really a few points high, and he got in twenty
21:50
Speaker 12: nineteen when the Labor Party were wiped out. I think
21:53
Speaker 12: the real story here is not about Labor surging to victory.
21:56
Speaker 12: It's about the Tory Party collapsing very much accelerated by
22:00
Speaker 12: the Reform Party insurgency to its right, and what we're
22:04
Speaker 12: really looking at here is a labor party who's given
22:06
Speaker 12: its share of the vote. I mean, this is the
22:08
Speaker 12: lowest vote share won by a single party government in
22:11
Speaker 12: post war history. When you really crunch the numbers, they're
22:14
Speaker 12: only only really about twenty percent of the voting public
22:16
Speaker 12: voted for them, and yet they've got a gain on paper,
22:19
Speaker 12: this mandate to reshape the country. So really interesting times ahead.
22:23
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned the Reform Party and obviously that's
22:26
Speaker 2: one of the big subteics of this whole election. Nigel
22:30
Speaker 2: Faraja's performance. He's now the third largest party in the
22:35
Speaker 2: UK and placed second in the number of seats. What
22:38
Speaker 2: do you think this means for the future of Conservatism.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think if the Conservatives have got any sense,
22:45
Speaker 12: they will look to see what happened across the country
22:48
Speaker 12: and realize that they haven't been listening to their core constituents.
22:51
Speaker 12: They certainly haven't been listening to a lot of the
22:53
Speaker 12: voters who they picked up in the post Brexit period
22:56
Speaker 12: in places in the North, in the Middleland, places that hadn't.
22:58
Speaker 13: Really voted for the conservative before.
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Speaker 12: Because, make no mistake not the Reform insurgency certainly peeled
23:04
Speaker 12: away a lot of traditionally conservative voters, but it's also
23:07
Speaker 12: appealing a hell of a lot to those former labor
23:09
Speaker 12: heartland areas. I mean, Reform came second in ninety eight seats,
23:13
Speaker 12: eighty seven of which are labor constituencies. So there's still
23:17
Speaker 12: this ridiculous discussion that's going on the Tory Party that
23:20
Speaker 12: the lesson of this election is that we need to
23:22
Speaker 12: go back to the kind of technocratic center, you know,
23:25
Speaker 12: discussion of former chances of the Jeremy Hunt running for leader,
23:28
Speaker 12: even though he could fit quite neatly into any of
23:29
Speaker 12: the main parties. To be honest, what's clear is that
23:32
Speaker 12: there is still that appetite for a Brexity politics, something
23:36
Speaker 12: which has that kind of popular spirit behind it. And
23:38
Speaker 12: if the Tory Party don't heed the election results that
23:42
Speaker 12: we've seen, then I think they really will confine themselves
23:44
Speaker 12: to electoral irrelevance for many years to come.
23:47
Speaker 2: Is Nigel Farrage effectively now the leader of the Conservatives
23:50
Speaker 2: in the UK?
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Speaker 12: I mean, he's certainly the leader of what feels like
23:57
Speaker 12: the kind of populist insurgency in the UK, the Tory Party.
24:00
Speaker 12: It was not reduced to the rump that some people
24:01
Speaker 12: thought it would, so therefore there's not as many questions
24:04
Speaker 12: that would be raised.
24:05
Speaker 13: I think about a merger.
24:06
Speaker 12: About them potentially just trying to kind of pick off
24:10
Speaker 12: those reform MPs and absorb them into the Conservative Party.
24:13
Speaker 13: But I think it's quite clear that he's shown the
24:14
Speaker 13: direction of.
24:15
Speaker 12: Travel amongst many of those voters, and a very clear
24:17
Speaker 12: sign that voters are not willing to go back to
24:20
Speaker 12: that mushy, middle technocratic Conservative Party that some people in
24:24
Speaker 12: the establishment desperately want to return to.
24:27
Speaker 2: The other interesting thing in this was the record low
24:30
Speaker 2: voter turnout. As you said, just under sixty percent of
24:34
Speaker 2: people voted compared to sixty seven percent in twenty nineteen.
24:39
Speaker 2: How concerned should people be about the apathy in the electric.
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Speaker 12: I think this is very concerning and I think it's
24:46
Speaker 12: telling about how uninspiring the two main political parties were.
24:50
Speaker 12: Obviously there were certain sections of the Electricate that were
24:53
Speaker 12: fired up by reform. There were certain sets in the
24:55
Speaker 12: electric which were just very keen to get rid of
24:58
Speaker 12: the Conservative Party. But it's just a remind that now
25:00
Speaker 12: that we have labor and the Tories who are led
25:03
Speaker 12: or have been led up until this point once again
25:06
Speaker 12: by very middle of the road, technocratic, managerialist type politicians.
25:10
Speaker 12: That does not inspire people. But most people are going
25:13
Speaker 12: to look on that with a kind of mix of
25:15
Speaker 12: amusement and apathy. And I think it's just a reminder
25:18
Speaker 12: that whilst we had that period post Brexit where voters
25:21
Speaker 12: were really engaged, where they really felt like they had
25:23
Speaker 12: a stake, they really felt like they had a seat
25:25
Speaker 12: at the table, that their views were being listened to,
25:27
Speaker 12: even though it's a bit of a battle to get
25:29
Speaker 12: Brexit over the line.
25:30
Speaker 13: I do worry that we're going back to.
25:32
Speaker 12: A period in which politics is something which happens in
25:34
Speaker 12: the kind of rarefied circle. But the way to engage
25:37
Speaker 12: voters is to actually put some ideas, some interesting parties
25:40
Speaker 12: before them. And I don't think it'd be long before
25:42
Speaker 12: we get some more choice in these elections, given how
25:44
Speaker 12: mixed they were.
25:46
Speaker 2: Okay, so something we've been watching with great interest from
25:48
Speaker 2: here in Australia. Five pro Palestinian candidates won seats, including
25:54
Speaker 2: former Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn. I'm sure you would have
25:57
Speaker 2: been watching What's happening over here. Do you think what's
26:01
Speaker 2: happened in the UK could be a taste of what
26:03
Speaker 2: Australia might expect when it comes to pro Palestinian candidates
26:06
Speaker 2: taking votes.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think just from you know, your coverage already,
26:12
Speaker 12: it seems like it's already there. I mean, it's been
26:13
Speaker 12: strikingly similar in terms of the parallels. How even in
26:16
Speaker 12: both countries, there's this organization called the Muslim Vote which
26:19
Speaker 12: is trying to basically back certain independent candidates or try
26:23
Speaker 12: to appeal to constituents purely on the basis of their
26:27
Speaker 12: religious and sometimes ethnic identity.
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Speaker 13: This is such a depressing move for democracy.
26:32
Speaker 12: I think actually said, there's these five candidates putting Jeremy
26:35
Speaker 12: Corby to one side. Some of them have been, you know,
26:37
Speaker 12: hailing their own victories by saying this is for Gaza.
26:40
Speaker 12: And there's been reports and allegations, particularly in a lot
26:44
Speaker 12: of Labor constituencies in the Midlands where Labour clung on,
26:47
Speaker 12: but only just of campaigners being harassed, being accused of
26:51
Speaker 12: being Zionist filth. And these are campaigners for a Labor
26:54
Speaker 12: party which has been pretty look warm in its support.
26:58
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you, you said this is such
27:00
Speaker 2: a depressing thing for democracy. Just quickly, can you explain
27:03
Speaker 2: why it's a depressing thing for democracy.
27:05
Speaker 13: I think it's bad for everyone involved.
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Speaker 12: I think it's bad for democracy when you don't appeal
27:10
Speaker 12: to people on the basis of what we have in
27:11
Speaker 12: common rather than what separates us, you know, breaking people
27:14
Speaker 12: up by religion, by ethnicity, that's a really grim road
27:17
Speaker 12: to go down. I also think it's bad for British
27:20
Speaker 12: Muslims or Australian Muslims because their bread and butter concerns
27:23
Speaker 12: become completely subordinate to this conflict thousands of miles away,
27:27
Speaker 12: when fundamentally, even if you poll British Muslims or on
27:29
Speaker 12: trure Australian Muslims as well, their concerns are not that
27:32
Speaker 12: different from the vast majority of people, even if they
27:34
Speaker 12: have slightly different views on Palestine. So I think this
27:37
Speaker 12: kind of form of identity politics, multicultural politics, it's poison
27:42
Speaker 12: and it's something that we really should have posed.
27:44
Speaker 2: Just before we go tom a surprise overnight in France,
27:47
Speaker 2: with an expectant swing to the right, actually going to
27:49
Speaker 2: the left in the last round of voting was just
27:52
Speaker 2: simply because the left formed a coalition to hit off
27:56
Speaker 2: the right or is there something else going on here?
27:59
Speaker 12: I mean form of kind of tactical voting, removing candidates
28:03
Speaker 12: so that the anti Lapenn vote as they would see it,
28:06
Speaker 12: wasn't split. Was obviously really consequential in all of this.
28:09
Speaker 12: I think there's probably a fair bit of there's always
28:11
Speaker 12: going to be a section of the French electorate who
28:12
Speaker 12: would be nervous about voting for a Lapen or for
28:16
Speaker 12: a La Penn led party. But I also think that
28:18
Speaker 12: there's a lot of complacency in the response, the kind
28:20
Speaker 12: of sense of all, we've dodged a bullet. When this
28:23
Speaker 12: was still rassemblemon Nationale's best election result in history, they
28:27
Speaker 12: still put on fifty seats from before, and I think
28:30
Speaker 12: time and again we see this complacency from the centrist
28:32
Speaker 12: and now even the left, which is the idea that
28:34
Speaker 12: this kind of right wing popular surge might flare up
28:37
Speaker 12: from time to time, but it's just going to go
28:38
Speaker 12: away after one election result. That's not been the story
28:41
Speaker 12: since twenty seventeen, and I dare say this won't be
28:44
Speaker 12: the end of it here either.
28:46
Speaker 10: Yeah.
28:46
Speaker 2: I note that there's rioting in France overnight as well,
28:48
Speaker 2: so the left right when they lose, and they right
28:51
Speaker 2: when they win. Tom Slater, thanks for your time tonight.
28:55
Speaker 2: Well there's been vindication over the weekend for all those
28:58
Speaker 2: who implored Labor not to scrap the coalition's cashlest debit
29:02
Speaker 2: card in Indigenous communities, with the University of Adelaide report
29:06
Speaker 2: finding the removal of the card has led to a
29:08
Speaker 2: surgeon gambling, public drunkenness and alcohol related violence. The report
29:13
Speaker 2: looked at several areas where the card had been trialed,
29:16
Speaker 2: and among its conclusions said, and I quote, evidence suggested
29:20
Speaker 2: that alcohol consumption and misuse increased considerably in Sjuna, East
29:26
Speaker 2: Kimberley and the Goldfields following CDC program cessation. Labor was
29:31
Speaker 2: warned that this would happen, and given this report was
29:34
Speaker 2: actually commissioned by the government, pressure is now on to
29:37
Speaker 2: reinstate the card. Joining me now, someone who predicted all
29:40
Speaker 2: of this. Shadow Minister for Indigenous Affairs just into Nampajimpa Price,
29:45
Speaker 2: Senator welcome. We don't like to be right about these
29:49
Speaker 2: sorts of things, but you were right.
29:54
Speaker 14: I know, right.
29:55
Speaker 15: I mean, it's just like when they decided to lift
30:00
Speaker 15: the alcohol bans throughout the northern territory and some of
30:03
Speaker 15: our most vulnerable communities and town camps. You know, we
30:06
Speaker 15: didn't need a crystal ball to understand what would happen
30:08
Speaker 15: when you remove a tool like the cash distepit card
30:11
Speaker 15: from our most marginalized, most vulnerable individuals who are dealing
30:15
Speaker 15: with the highest rates of alcohol and substance abuse in
30:19
Speaker 15: the country. Of course, all hell was going to break loose.
30:24
Speaker 15: And I just remember questioning Don Farrell during Senate Estimates
30:29
Speaker 15: as to what was in fact their reasoning behind the
30:33
Speaker 15: removal of the card, What evidence did they have to
30:36
Speaker 15: suggest that it was going to somehow improve anyone's life?
30:41
Speaker 15: And all he could tell me was it was an
30:42
Speaker 15: election promise. So they pretty much failed miserably and made
30:49
Speaker 15: the lives of the most marginalized even worse because of
30:53
Speaker 15: an election promise stipulations Labor.
30:56
Speaker 2: Good on you, Senator Price. Considering Labor Mission, the report
31:01
Speaker 2: that has now found so many ill effects from removal
31:06
Speaker 2: of the card, is there not now an imperative for
31:08
Speaker 2: Labor to bring it back?
31:12
Speaker 15: Absolutely, there's an imperative. They keep getting it wrong at
31:15
Speaker 15: every turn because they are putting policy in place and
31:20
Speaker 15: removing good ideas because of ideology because they have been
31:25
Speaker 15: pandering too. They're inner city, woke academics who vote for
31:30
Speaker 15: a lot of them, and particularly our Prime minister, and
31:33
Speaker 15: they have been ignoring the plight of our most marginalized
31:37
Speaker 15: every step of the way. It is incumbent upon them
31:41
Speaker 15: to put back the cashless debit card and stop screwing
31:46
Speaker 15: over our most marginalized.
31:48
Speaker 2: And I mean, as we've said, if they don't do that,
31:51
Speaker 2: they're effectively ignoring the results of their own commissioned report,
31:55
Speaker 2: which would just go to the point you've made that
31:57
Speaker 2: they're far more about ideology the next results on the ground.
32:01
Speaker 2: The other interesting thing from the study was anecdotal evidence
32:05
Speaker 2: from people who were actually living in these communities, with
32:08
Speaker 2: one participant saying they weren't in favor of the card,
32:11
Speaker 2: but at the same time admitting it really did make
32:14
Speaker 2: a difference. So I wanted to ask you how much
32:16
Speaker 2: of a disconnect is there between, you know, the politicians
32:19
Speaker 2: and bureaucrats who are making these policy decisions versus people
32:23
Speaker 2: actually living at the call face.
32:27
Speaker 10: Huge disconnect.
32:29
Speaker 15: I mean, if you just look at the result of
32:30
Speaker 15: the referendum, if you look at the Act for instance,
32:34
Speaker 15: which is bureaucracy city completely removed from the rest of
32:38
Speaker 15: the country where decisions are made and policy is implemented.
32:42
Speaker 15: You know, there's a huge disconnect going on. And because
32:45
Speaker 15: of this disconnect, you know, people out in communities, they suffer.
32:50
Speaker 15: They suffer the most because politicians aren't doing what the
32:54
Speaker 15: tax payers paid them to do, going out seeing for
32:58
Speaker 15: themselves what's going on in communities to improve the situation
33:03
Speaker 15: for everybody. Instead, they're pulling the rug from out underneath them.
33:07
Speaker 2: Before you go. It was another horror weekend in Ela Springs,
33:10
Speaker 2: where you are twenty male youths allegedly attacking and robbing
33:14
Speaker 2: four off duty police officers, three of whom were women.
33:18
Speaker 2: A curfew has been reintroduced. Is that enough?
33:24
Speaker 15: No, it's not enough. The curfew is a temporary measure
33:29
Speaker 15: and one that we can't keep just going back to
33:32
Speaker 15: It pulls resources, police resources from other parts of the
33:35
Speaker 15: Northern Territory. But you know, I said years ago, I said,
33:38
Speaker 15: the kids that are on our street that are committing
33:40
Speaker 15: these crimes now are kids that have been allowed to
33:44
Speaker 15: live in dysfunction, if you can call it living confronted
33:47
Speaker 15: with alcohol subthern's abuse. Highest rates of DV and sexual abuse.
33:52
Speaker 15: When their families failed them, so did the authorities because
33:55
Speaker 15: governments were too scared to say, you know, these Australian
33:59
Speaker 15: children who need to be protected from the dysfunction, but
34:02
Speaker 15: instead know this idea of connected to culture and country
34:07
Speaker 15: is far more important. Well, culture and country is pretty dysfunctional,
34:11
Speaker 15: and this is why these kids run our streets at night.
34:14
Speaker 15: So we need to get to the root of the
34:15
Speaker 15: problem instead of treating it downstream. We need to start
34:20
Speaker 15: preventing kids from committing crimes in the first place.
34:24
Speaker 2: Senator Price, I've got to go to a break, but
34:25
Speaker 2: I really want to ask you so very quickly. It's
34:27
Speaker 2: an unfair question to ask so fast, but to get
34:30
Speaker 2: to the root of the problem, what do we actually do.
34:35
Speaker 15: We need to take these kids away from dysfunction. We
34:37
Speaker 15: need to put them in homes where they're going to
34:38
Speaker 15: be cared for, where their human rights are going to
34:40
Speaker 15: be upheld, and we need to give them in sure
34:42
Speaker 15: that they have an education just like other Australian kids
34:46
Speaker 15: in our country. We need to stop the separatism and
34:48
Speaker 15: treat every kid like an Australian child and they deserve
34:51
Speaker 15: their human rights upheld.
34:53
Speaker 2: Senator Price, always good to have your company. Thanks so
34:56
Speaker 2: much for joining me. Well after the break and amounts
34:59
Speaker 2: about massive wind farm set to hit the new South
35:02
Speaker 2: Wales south coast Labor remains cagy on the details. So
35:06
Speaker 2: will a Senate inquiry be able to get some answers.
35:08
Speaker 2: That's coming up in a moment. Welcome back. Well still
35:15
Speaker 2: to come. Good news with the ADF finally procuring killer drones,
35:20
Speaker 2: but the question needs to be asked why is it
35:22
Speaker 2: taken so long. We'll get to that a little later,
35:25
Speaker 2: but first, a Senate inquiry is set to examine the
35:28
Speaker 2: consultation process for the Illawarra Offshore Wind Zone following a
35:32
Speaker 2: very close thirty one to thirty vote on Wednesday. Illa
35:37
Speaker 2: Warra Mercury reports that almost two thirds of the submissions
35:41
Speaker 2: and there were fourteen thousand submissions made during the consultation
35:45
Speaker 2: period had been opposed to the zone.
35:48
Speaker 7: Now.
35:48
Speaker 2: The push for the inquiry was led by National Senator
35:51
Speaker 2: Ross Kaddell, who joins me. Now, Ross, thanks for being
35:55
Speaker 2: on the show before we talk about the inquiry that
35:58
Speaker 2: you've pushed for and that will now be held. Just
36:00
Speaker 2: remind you as what Chris Bowen has planned off the
36:03
Speaker 2: coast of Villa Warra and why locals are so upset
36:05
Speaker 2: about it.
36:08
Speaker 5: Chris Bowen has planned building up to three hundred two
36:11
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty five meters floating off your wind towers.
36:14
Speaker 10: Nowhere in the world exists.
36:15
Speaker 5: But he's not just doing it there, He's doing it
36:16
Speaker 5: twenty kilometers over my shoulder off Port Stevens. Is going
36:19
Speaker 5: to do it right around Australia, building things that have
36:22
Speaker 5: never been built before, never tested, and he just wants
36:24
Speaker 5: to rush them through.
36:26
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound great, But tell me anyway, why are people
36:29
Speaker 2: so upset about this? Because the response has been a
36:33
Speaker 2: lot of anger and heat in the community.
36:35
Speaker 5: Right yeap sixty five percent as you said against this
36:39
Speaker 5: in all the submissions so far, they had like thirty
36:42
Speaker 5: days or sixty days to put in their feelings without
36:45
Speaker 5: any information. And this is what was really getting to
36:47
Speaker 5: us is these things don't exist anywhere in the world.
36:50
Speaker 5: There are sixteen floating wind turbines anywhere in the world,
36:54
Speaker 5: two lots of five or a five and a six
36:56
Speaker 5: off Scotland that are doing powers.
36:58
Speaker 10: There's five that are powering Petrollum oil rigs off Norway.
37:01
Speaker 5: Now there lasted just seven years before they're being brought
37:04
Speaker 5: in for extensive renovations and refit so they don't last.
37:08
Speaker 5: But we're going to build three hundred in each one
37:10
Speaker 5: of these patches. And what's more, we're going to build
37:12
Speaker 5: floating substations again that don't exist in the world. So
37:16
Speaker 5: that people have been said, putting your smissions about how
37:18
Speaker 5: you feel about this when they don't know what it is.
37:20
Speaker 5: They don't know what it's going to do. They don't
37:21
Speaker 5: know if it's going to hurt their fish, they're fishing,
37:23
Speaker 5: they're tourists and cultures. They just don't have a clue.
37:25
Speaker 5: And they're awful eyesaw too, but they're going to build them.
37:29
Speaker 2: So the inquiry that you've pushed for is not so
37:31
Speaker 2: much into the development itself, but the consultation process and
37:36
Speaker 2: the problems associated with that. Is that correct?
37:40
Speaker 5: Correct it look when you're dealing with the numbers in
37:43
Speaker 5: the Senate and they are awfully close, we had to
37:46
Speaker 5: go the bar at a level that everyone would vote for,
37:48
Speaker 5: and we got that at the inquiry into the consultation
37:51
Speaker 5: and the process.
37:51
Speaker 10: So far i'm very thankful for.
37:59
Speaker 2: I think we may have lost ross there, but certainly
38:02
Speaker 2: a lot of anger in ille war and will be
38:04
Speaker 2: interesting to see how things pan out with that inquiry
38:07
Speaker 2: because the committee is comprised of Labor and Green senators,
38:13
Speaker 2: so you can imagine the response. We're going to go
38:16
Speaker 2: to a break, but when we come back, you won't
38:18
Speaker 2: believe how much of Queensland is now subject to indigenous
38:22
Speaker 2: land claims. Plus yet another example of just how imperiled
38:26
Speaker 2: our energy transition is with cost blow apps and delays mounting.
38:30
Speaker 2: More on all of that in just a moment. Welcome back.
38:38
Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel for tonight, joining me as
38:40
Speaker 2: Skynews contributor and former Howard government minister Gary Hardgrave and
38:44
Speaker 2: LLNPMP Keith Pitt. Gentlemen, Welcome to you both. Keith, let
38:48
Speaker 2: me start with you. What is going on in Queensland
38:51
Speaker 2: with these secretive aboriginal land claims. There's concerns as much
38:55
Speaker 2: as ninety five percent of the Queensland town of to
38:59
Speaker 2: Be it could be handed over to an aboriginal corporation.
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Speaker 2: And that's just one of fifteen towns across Queensland where
39:06
Speaker 2: the land transfer expressions of interest have been lodged. What
39:10
Speaker 2: is going on, well, it's actually worse than that.
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Speaker 10: So there was a native.
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Speaker 6: Title claim which was successful in this area and it
39:17
Speaker 6: to be under the Aboriginal Land Act. There's now an
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Speaker 6: application for what they're calling transfer. But what that transfer
39:24
Speaker 6: means is the land is then provided as freehold.
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Speaker 9: That they own it.
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Speaker 6: I mean, if the Queensland government wants to give them
39:30
Speaker 6: land away, I was born just up the road, I'm
39:32
Speaker 6: very happy for them to give me as much land
39:34
Speaker 6: as they actually want. And on top of that, there's
39:37
Speaker 6: another fifteen sites which, for who knows what reason, they're
39:41
Speaker 6: being kept confidential. So there are other locations and other
39:45
Speaker 6: towns which are being directly impacted and no one knows
39:48
Speaker 6: about it. So I just think this is just another
39:50
Speaker 6: cover up by the Miles government. But the idea that
39:53
Speaker 6: states can just give away their land and turn it
39:56
Speaker 6: into freehold capacity for Aboriginal organizations, I just think that's
40:01
Speaker 6: a mistake. I think it's the wrong approach.
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Speaker 2: And Gary the public are continually told there's nothing to
40:06
Speaker 2: worry about it, it's all fine, everything's good. Do you
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Speaker 2: believe that?
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Speaker 14: Well, no, of course I don't, because in the case
40:14
Speaker 14: of the Tibia matter, there's five people in the so
40:17
Speaker 14: called corporation that's been set up and they're not even
40:20
Speaker 14: the traditional owners, a group of people who went from
40:23
Speaker 14: places like Tamworth all the way up to Rome. They
40:25
Speaker 14: haven't got a look in the town is actually using
40:27
Speaker 14: that particular group of people's language.
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Speaker 16: That's where tb it comes from. It means to.
40:32
Speaker 14: Point and so some people have said, oh, hang on,
40:34
Speaker 14: there's an application, I'll stick one in.
40:36
Speaker 16: Let's see what happens.
40:37
Speaker 14: Is like buying a lotto ticket and guess what looks
40:40
Speaker 14: like they're winning the lottery. Ninety five percent of the
40:43
Speaker 14: chance that is going to happen. And this big area
40:46
Speaker 14: of land, it's really got no connection to them, is
40:49
Speaker 14: about to.
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Speaker 16: Be granted to them.
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Speaker 14: It's just breathtaking and local council doesn't seem to want
40:55
Speaker 14: to stop it. Nobody in the Queensland Parliament seems to
40:57
Speaker 14: want to stop it. I think one nation out of
41:00
Speaker 14: statement about it. But you know in the end which
41:04
Speaker 14: town is next. There's fourteen or fifteen others that are
41:07
Speaker 14: in the sights of the Miles government. They won't tell anybody,
41:10
Speaker 14: and worse still, nobody in the.
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Speaker 16: Parliament's actually asking questions about it.
41:14
Speaker 14: So I'm pretty shocked by this. This is madness and
41:17
Speaker 14: it's writ large in Queensland.
41:20
Speaker 2: Well speaking of madness, so let's talk about the nation's
41:23
Speaker 2: energy transition, because that's in peril. A two point three
41:27
Speaker 2: billion dollar transmission line in South Australia is facing massive
41:32
Speaker 2: cost blowouts and delays, according to suppliers. The Spanish contractor
41:36
Speaker 2: Electnor Group, which took over from the Energy Connect project
41:40
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, well they haven't been paying their
41:43
Speaker 2: bills for around a year. So Gary, this thing's blown
41:47
Speaker 2: out from one billion to now two point three billion.
41:50
Speaker 2: Is shaping up to be another snowy hydro two point zero.
41:55
Speaker 16: Oh look, you know which is the never ending scheme.
41:57
Speaker 14: Look, all of this stuff is based on and the
42:00
Speaker 14: idea of rent seekers getting their rents. Of course the
42:04
Speaker 14: cost goes up. But if you think two point three
42:06
Speaker 14: is the final number, I got a bit of low
42:09
Speaker 14: lying lander. Sell you're in a mudflat. I mean, it's
42:12
Speaker 14: going to be one point four trillion dollars to rewire
42:16
Speaker 14: Australia to hook renewable projects into the grid. That's the
42:20
Speaker 14: current estimate. Wait till the CFMU gets hold of that,
42:23
Speaker 14: Wait till the electrical trade gets hold of that. This
42:28
Speaker 14: is this is going to be Australia's entire national income
42:32
Speaker 14: each year billions of dollars lost on this sort of burndoggle.
42:37
Speaker 16: It's Chris Bone's fault.
42:38
Speaker 14: I mean, it is simply him, and it's Elbow's fault
42:41
Speaker 14: for not raining this mad bloke bowing in. Australians have
42:45
Speaker 14: got to turn their back on all of this renewable
42:48
Speaker 14: rent seeking rubbish and get.
42:50
Speaker 16: Behind the idea. And you know you were talking a
42:52
Speaker 16: Ross Cadell.
42:53
Speaker 14: Why would you put floating floating wind turbines off the
42:57
Speaker 14: coast of near South Wales when a nuclear power station
43:00
Speaker 14: somewhere else provides the electricity or what?
43:02
Speaker 16: I just don't understand it. We've got to call this out.
43:05
Speaker 16: It's total rubbish.
43:06
Speaker 2: I'm getting depressed with this conversation. So let's move on
43:09
Speaker 2: to some good news. Shell we no no trust me.
43:12
Speaker 2: There is good news in this country. The ADF has
43:14
Speaker 2: finally invested in killer drones, confirming that they'll be in
43:18
Speaker 2: service by November. Hundreds of these US made Switchblade drones
43:22
Speaker 2: have been sent to Ukraine over the past two years
43:25
Speaker 2: and we're used by US troops in Afghanistan. Now we're
43:28
Speaker 2: going to have them as well. He was Defense Industry
43:31
Speaker 2: Minister Pat Conroy explaining the decision.
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Speaker 1: The lessons from Ukraine are that drones are an essential
43:38
Speaker 1: part of a modern military's armory. This gives our soldiers'
43:41
Speaker 1: ability to deploy a portable loitering munition that can have
43:46
Speaker 1: devastating impact on the battlefield.
43:49
Speaker 2: I say, Keith, this is a good news story, but
43:51
Speaker 2: we have to ask why is it taken so long?
43:56
Speaker 6: Because they're too busy worrying about pronouns, whether they're them
44:00
Speaker 6: than he's and cheese.
44:02
Speaker 16: But firstly, yes, said good.
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Speaker 9: I'm pleased we've bought these things.
44:06
Speaker 6: But secondly, where are we going to find the troops
44:08
Speaker 6: to operate them. We're literally thousand short of target and
44:12
Speaker 6: because a lot of them are just turned off because
44:14
Speaker 6: of the way that unfortunately defenses turn woke. No one
44:19
Speaker 6: who we're targeting with these things are going to worry
44:21
Speaker 6: about whether we have addressed someone properly as a he
44:24
Speaker 6: or she or they or them or.
44:25
Speaker 16: Anything in between.
44:27
Speaker 6: But I'm very pleased that these will actually be turned out.
44:31
Speaker 13: I think that is good news.
44:32
Speaker 2: Well, of course, I think you're referring to a story
44:35
Speaker 2: from a week or two ago where was revealed that
44:37
Speaker 2: the application form for recruitment to the ADF was very
44:41
Speaker 2: specific about making sure you listed your preferred pronouns. Let's
44:46
Speaker 2: talk about Woolies for a minute, because they've done an
44:49
Speaker 2: extraordinary backflip announcing they will be selling Australian flags ahead
44:54
Speaker 2: of the Paras Olympics. Now this is only months after
44:57
Speaker 2: they refuse to stock them for Australia Day. In statement,
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Speaker 2: the supermarket Giant, which is and it should be noted
45:04
Speaker 2: the official partner of the Australian Olympic and Paralympic team said,
45:09
Speaker 2: and they quote giving the Australian flag is the official
45:12
Speaker 2: flag of the Australian Olympic Committee and of our team
45:15
Speaker 2: competing in Paris. A locally made, handheld Australian flag made
45:18
Speaker 2: from long lasting materials such as timber and polyester, that's
45:22
Speaker 2: very important, will also be available for customers to purchase
45:25
Speaker 2: across our supermarkets and selected Metro stores. Now, the statement
45:30
Speaker 2: goes on to confirm the flag will be available for
45:32
Speaker 2: purchase all year around. So, Gary, what do you make
45:36
Speaker 2: of this backflip?
45:39
Speaker 16: Well, finally they've blinked.
45:40
Speaker 14: I mean, I got to tell you I was on
45:42
Speaker 14: radio on four BC through the summer period. My first
45:46
Speaker 14: job was packing groceries at Wilworth Garden, city here in Brisbane.
45:49
Speaker 16: Okay, so that was a long time ago.
45:51
Speaker 14: But I hated the fact that Wolworth's turned their back
45:55
Speaker 14: on Australia. They used to be, I thought, proudly Australian owned,
45:59
Speaker 14: and yet they lost their pride earlier this year. I
46:01
Speaker 14: have not been inside any Woolworths store or affiliated business
46:06
Speaker 14: since they made that stupid announcement before Australia Day. So
46:09
Speaker 14: maybe I might skulk in now as a result of this,
46:13
Speaker 14: but I have.
46:13
Speaker 16: Been loud about this all year long. They've got to
46:17
Speaker 16: do a bit more to prove that this is not
46:19
Speaker 16: just simply a flash in the pan. But we've won.
46:21
Speaker 16: Well done.
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Speaker 14: Everybody who's walked out at woolworth stayed out at Woolworth's
46:25
Speaker 14: and all of their affiliated stores. I think it's worked, yep,
46:29
Speaker 14: be I say, well.
46:30
Speaker 2: Keith, does this just demonstrate that Ossie's are very passionate
46:33
Speaker 2: about their sport. So we might shrug an Australia Day,
46:36
Speaker 2: but we will not be denied our flags for the
46:38
Speaker 2: Olympic Games to support our athletes.
46:43
Speaker 6: I listened very closely to the detail there. It's the
46:46
Speaker 6: official flag, of course it is. It's the nation's flag.
46:49
Speaker 6: It's the flag of Australia, the country. Finally someone says
46:54
Speaker 6: some sex, So I just why wouldn't you be proud
46:58
Speaker 6: of the flag. I'm very proud of every single astrade
47:00
Speaker 6: that's been picked and we've I think got a record
47:02
Speaker 6: number for my electorate that's made both the Olympic and
47:05
Speaker 6: Paralympic teams, and Taran Joe Golcewski is the latest.
47:08
Speaker 16: She's made it in for the discus.
47:10
Speaker 6: I believe in the athletics team, she's ranked the top
47:12
Speaker 6: thirty around the world. Good on her and God on
47:15
Speaker 6: every Australian that's gone to Paris.
47:16
Speaker 16: Go get them.
47:17
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're looking forward to some good results. Hey. The
47:20
Speaker 2: Defense and Veterans Legal Service, which helps veterans to fight
47:23
Speaker 2: for compensation and entitlements so its free expert advice, is
47:28
Speaker 2: facing closure. The service was established in twenty twenty one,
47:32
Speaker 2: but its federal funding is set to run out in September,
47:35
Speaker 2: and this has sparked fears that veterans could be left
47:38
Speaker 2: at the mercy of legal firms which may charge you know,
47:41
Speaker 2: significant fees for their support. Keith, just tell me why
47:44
Speaker 2: this service is so important and why it needs funding.
47:50
Speaker 6: Oh, it's absolutely critical. For those veterans trying to find
47:53
Speaker 6: their way through all of the different areas and departments
47:56
Speaker 6: within Veterans Affairs, and look, I just to the minister,
48:01
Speaker 6: just do your job.
48:02
Speaker 13: I mean, stop spending most of your time.
48:04
Speaker 6: In Parliament having a shot at the Coalition, especially in
48:06
Speaker 6: question time, and just get back to the actual job
48:10
Speaker 6: of helping veterans. They've done their bit. Don't come back
48:13
Speaker 6: and say, oh, it's a big plot from the Coalition
48:16
Speaker 6: because the fundings run out. Well it's the end of
48:18
Speaker 6: three years, as it's what the budget ran for. Fund
48:20
Speaker 6: the service, provide the service, help the people who have
48:23
Speaker 6: done absolutely everything they needed to defend our country because
48:27
Speaker 6: they deserve it, they've earned it.
48:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely well, said he Well Keith, Gary. Always a
48:34
Speaker 2: pleasure to talk to you both. I really appreciate you
48:36
Speaker 2: joining me tonight and thank you to you for your
48:39
Speaker 2: company this evening. But don't go anywhere because the Bolt
48:42
Speaker 2: report is up right now.