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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 222 | Where the Jags Can Improve Most in the Draft · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to jaggs A and Brian Sexton
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  Speaker 1: in the host role today along with John Ozer. We've
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  Speaker 1: got a big show for you. So of course let's
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  Speaker 1: start with big things. And big thing one is new territory.
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  Speaker 1: In this the thirty second NFL Draft that the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: will participate, it will be the first time that they
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  Speaker 1: don't have a first round pick. That is obviously new
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  Speaker 1: territory for the Jaguars, but it's not for some of
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  Speaker 1: the men who are calling the shots. And we heard
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  Speaker 1: from James Gladstone and Liam Cohen.
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  Speaker 2: That this is familiar territory for them.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: He has been yeah, a lot longer before. Yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: is no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: We have waited longer, there is no doubt. But we're
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  Speaker 3: having a black one oh four was our first pick,
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  Speaker 3: so we at least get to cut that in half
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, you know what I mean. So there's
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  Speaker 3: a what do we got two weeks one day for now?
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  Speaker 3: So that's yeah, it will until our pick, yeah for now. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So that kind of thing you always have, the you're
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  Speaker 3: always gonna stay agile and so you're never bored. You're
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  Speaker 3: always thinking through what might we be able to do.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that mental gymnastics certainly is an engaging element.
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  Speaker 1: You know, John, I don't get the sense listening to them,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't when I was in the room last
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  Speaker 1: Thursday that this is like the Rams after they won
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, where it was like, yeah, those picks,
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  Speaker 1: forget the first round picks. I think that's what f
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  Speaker 1: those picks meant. But these are guys who are not
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  Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the fact that sitting at number fifty six,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have to run a lot of different scenarios,
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  Speaker 1: but they're comfortable that they can get what they want.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, some of the scenarios do include, you know,
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  Speaker 4: trading up. I get a lot of emails about what
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  Speaker 4: can they trade to the first round. I'm not so
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  Speaker 4: sure the Jaguars are concerned about where they trade up.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be they're sitting at fifty six and they've got
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of equity in the third round. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: they have a lot of equity in the third round.
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  Speaker 4: But how far do they want to move up? I
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  Speaker 4: don't think they're sitting there. Well, we've got to get
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  Speaker 4: into the first round. As guys fall or as certain
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  Speaker 4: groups become available at certain groups. I think they will say, okay,
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  Speaker 4: do we want to get up to there. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 4: thirty six, maybe that's forty eight. Maybe it's not moving
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  Speaker 4: up at all, But no, James Gladstone won't be bored.
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  Speaker 4: As Liam Cohen said when he was with the Rams,
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  Speaker 4: there was some hanging out at the beach house. Yea,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that. I don't think they'll be at
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  Speaker 4: the beach house. Certainly not my beach house because I
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  Speaker 4: don't have a beach house. But I don't think that'll
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  Speaker 4: be the case. They're a little too far up to
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  Speaker 4: have it be a completely dead first night for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 5: Next. What is it Thursday now, bright?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a week from Thursday. One noticeable difference.
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  Speaker 1: Though teams generally run a lot of mock drafts. They
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  Speaker 1: have somebody on their team scouting or coaching that's responsible
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  Speaker 1: for each team and researching and digging and try to
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  Speaker 1: find out who they're interested in so that they can
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  Speaker 1: kind of run a scenario in the first round. At
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  Speaker 1: fifty six, that's harder to do, and Gladstone talked about
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  Speaker 1: scenarios instead of monts. In other words, what do you
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  Speaker 1: do when there's these players on the board, John, it's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a different mindset, and that I think
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  Speaker 1: was where their experience comes in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you start looking at it in groups, meaning, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: now we've gotten to about maybe thirty six, or we
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  Speaker 4: get in about forty four, and you don't necessarily trade
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  Speaker 4: up for a player, but it's are there enough guys
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  Speaker 4: left at this spot that we think will fall beneath
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  Speaker 4: us that we want to trade back and row okay?
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  Speaker 4: Or is there a position group starting to run out
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  Speaker 4: that we need to get ahead of some certain teams?
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  Speaker 4: And Gladstone on Thursday certainly talked about how they try
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  Speaker 4: to research not only what they think teams want right now,
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  Speaker 4: but ad decision making patterns of certain trees. He mentioned
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  Speaker 4: certain ways that groups of people who run these teams draft.
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  Speaker 4: It's certainly more scientific than it was in the nineties
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  Speaker 4: Brian when we talked about teams would send a guy
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  Speaker 4: and sort of him study the draft and guess what
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  Speaker 4: that team was doing. There's a lot of analytics involved
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  Speaker 4: about directions these people go and it helps to shape
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars draft strategy.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: On the big thing too old and new, the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: have some players from last year's draft, John, but didn't
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  Speaker 1: see the field much, if at all. Wyatt Milan mc
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  Speaker 1: guard who played a little bit at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the year, stands out, so to safety Caleb Ransaw, also
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  Speaker 1: linebacker Jalen McLeod, and the most notable of those is
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  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, the first round draft choice who played in
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  Speaker 1: just nine games last year and missed half the.
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  Speaker 2: Season, and he was asked.
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  Speaker 1: Gladstone and Liam were both asked about Travis Hunter's return
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  Speaker 1: and where their protocol fit as they get ready to
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  Speaker 1: start the program next week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll be in for all intensive purposes, a limited
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  Speaker 3: participant throughout the off season program, with eyes on return
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  Speaker 3: to play at full tick in training camp.
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  Speaker 1: So, John, there are a number of guys to be
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  Speaker 1: excited about, talented young players that we saw a glimpse of.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Caleb Ramshaw was really having a nice camp.
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  Speaker 1: White Milam looked apart as well. As much as we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about the eleven players that the drag
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  Speaker 1: Wars will likely add next week, there's a couple from
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  Speaker 1: last year that are worthy of paying.
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  Speaker 4: Attention to well, and the couple from last year are
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  Speaker 4: perhaps more worthy because they're going into that second year.
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  Speaker 4: Travis Hunter has, you know, unfortunately not enough games under
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  Speaker 4: his belt for everybody to know exactly how what his
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  Speaker 4: usage is going to look like. But he has enough
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  Speaker 4: to have gained some experience and to have gotten used
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  Speaker 4: to the speed of the league. So look, milam Ransaw,
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  Speaker 4: you know Hunter. I don't want to say these guys
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  Speaker 4: are more important than the twenty five in the twenty
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  Speaker 4: six draft, but they're up there because you expect a
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  Speaker 4: second year jump, and you expect in that second year
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  Speaker 4: of a draft class to start getting the accelerated help.
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  Speaker 4: Usually with rookie draft classes, they're not gonna make the
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  Speaker 4: difference whether you go to the playoffs or not. Second
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  Speaker 4: and third year, those draft classes need to be a
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  Speaker 4: core and with milam Ransaw and Hunter especially, this needs
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  Speaker 4: to be the year where it sort of starts looking
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  Speaker 4: like that's a core class.
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  Speaker 1: And let's round out big things with Monday message. The
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  Speaker 1: players return next week to begin the offseason program. You
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  Speaker 1: know what goes in phases. In the first phase, there's
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  Speaker 1: hardly any coaching involved, but there will be a team
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  Speaker 1: meeting and the head coach was as last Thursday, what
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  Speaker 1: the message would be to his team.
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  Speaker 6: You're chomping at the bit, especially after going to the
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  Speaker 6: owners meetings and talking some smack and having some fun.
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  Speaker 2: But also it just feels a little.
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  Speaker 6: Bit closer right as getting the guys back in the
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  Speaker 6: building and the entire messages were attacking this offseason and
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  Speaker 6: we're attacking the details, We're attacking our relationships, We're attacking
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  Speaker 6: our communication because there's gonna there's new, there's change, there's
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  Speaker 6: different communications and relationships that need to be blended and
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  Speaker 6: matched and and.
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  Speaker 2: You know, pouring into each other. Uh. From a detail.
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  Speaker 6: Standpoint, I think that's gonna be key and critical.
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  Speaker 2: John.
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  Speaker 1: They're not on the field yet and they're a long
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  Speaker 1: way from the start of the new season, but there
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  Speaker 1: is an energy to this coaching staff that I expect
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  Speaker 1: to be translated to the players when they get back
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  Speaker 1: here about what they need to get done. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the other things that Liam mentioned is they have
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  Speaker 1: two fewer weeks to get the same amount of work
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  Speaker 1: done this year because they're not starting early like teams
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  Speaker 1: with new head coaches do.
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  Speaker 2: So the head coach isn't going to miss an.
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  Speaker 1: Opportunity to translate that to his team when he sees
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  Speaker 1: them on Monday.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I talked to Liam probably February, I think was the
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  Speaker 4: first time I talked to him after everything. It's sort
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  Speaker 4: of uh cooled down from the season. And that was
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  Speaker 4: the first thing you mentioned was, Hey, we've only got
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  Speaker 4: you know, we have two fewer weeks with these.
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  Speaker 5: Guys, and how does.
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  Speaker 4: He help the coaching staff and the players realize we
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  Speaker 4: have to get as much or more out of this
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  Speaker 4: time with two weeks less. Everything that Liam has said
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  Speaker 4: in the off season is sort of a variation on
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  Speaker 4: a very crucial but obvious theme. Look, last year's last year,
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  Speaker 4: the energy that got created around this building was because
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  Speaker 4: everybody was new and everybody was learning each other, and
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  Speaker 4: there's that excitement we all felt at Brian. Liam's concern
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  Speaker 4: and concern is probably the wrong word, but his task
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  Speaker 4: make sure that this year feels as new, feels as
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  Speaker 4: important as energetic urgency, all that stuff. Make sure you
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  Speaker 4: know you got to push the rock all the way
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  Speaker 4: back up the hill and that you have the.
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  Speaker 5: Urgency to do it.
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  Speaker 4: Look, Brian, you've been around Lee as much as I have.
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  Speaker 4: I don't worry about him feeling that sort of energy.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that it's so focused right now, and that's
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  Speaker 4: such the theme means. I don't think it'll be an
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  Speaker 4: issue at all, but it's certainly the theme.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, when the players walk in, feel real confident they're
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  Speaker 1: going to feel it because all of us who come
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  Speaker 1: into the middle of Electric Center can feel it from
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  Speaker 1: them as well. All Right, that'll do it for the
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  Speaker 1: big thing segment of our outstanding show this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Looking forward, we'll turn our.
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  Speaker 1: Eye to number fifty six, and no, sadly we're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about our buddy Jeff Logoman.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the Jaguars first pick.
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  Speaker 1: In the twenty twenty six NFL Draft when we return
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  Speaker 1: to Drags Am and welcome back to Jags Am Brian
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  Speaker 1: Sexton along with John Oser here on a Tuesday morning,
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  Speaker 1: ten days before the twenty twenty six NFL Draft. And John,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel the same way. It's strange to
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  Speaker 1: not have a first round pick and to be dialed
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  Speaker 1: in on very specific prospects because you get to number
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  Speaker 1: fifty six, you just don't know who's going to be around.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a pocket of guys in positions that you
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  Speaker 4: read about a little bit. Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 4: A linebacker is a guy that a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: mock in that spot when you can find mock drafts
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  Speaker 4: because sometimes you know, most people who do mock drafts
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  Speaker 4: and analyze it stop at thirty two. So this team
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  Speaker 4: is twenty four slots away from that. So I think
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  Speaker 4: the best way to think about this draft is, you
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  Speaker 4: know what Gladstone said last week, they feel like a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the positions they're going to go after or
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  Speaker 4: that they want to address our deep positions, and that
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  Speaker 4: would include the linebacker off the ball, especially it's one
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  Speaker 4: of the best classes they've had in a long time.
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  Speaker 4: Edge if you're looking for a third edge.
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  Speaker 5: Behind Trayvon and who is josh heinz Allen.
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  Speaker 4: That is a position that is said to be deep.
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  Speaker 4: Now what you wonder is usually that outside back or
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  Speaker 4: edge guy if they're after the first round. It sometimes
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  Speaker 4: takes more than a year for them to really show up.
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  Speaker 5: But that's not a rule.
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  Speaker 4: Safety, which is another area they could look at, is
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  Speaker 4: also considered very deep. So those are the spots when
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  Speaker 4: you think about this draft. That's the first concept is
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  Speaker 4: that those spots are relatively deep. Running Backs not it's
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  Speaker 4: considered a poor running back class, but you can always
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  Speaker 4: find guys. So if they're looking for that extra dynamic
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  Speaker 4: in that maybe something you have to go after early.
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  Speaker 4: The key for this draft for the Jaguars is probably
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  Speaker 4: not having the fifty sixth pick. It's having eighty one,
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  Speaker 4: eighty eight, and one hundred, which are the three picks
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  Speaker 4: that are near the end of.
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  Speaker 5: The third round.
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  Speaker 4: That's where you wonder could they use that equity to
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  Speaker 4: make their draft day look different than the lead up?
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  Speaker 4: Meaning could they trade up, could they move around? Are
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  Speaker 4: they going to want four out of the top hundred
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  Speaker 4: picks or do they want to move up maybe to
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  Speaker 4: thirty five to forty. That's something we don't know, but
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  Speaker 4: it's something to watch on Friday night.
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  Speaker 1: Have you looked how much would it cost to be
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  Speaker 1: able to go up? I mean, I mean I think
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  Speaker 1: getting into the first round would be prohibitively expensive.
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  Speaker 4: Well, according to the chart, and there's the old Jimmy
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  Speaker 4: Johnson chart that is sort of still the one that
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  Speaker 4: you know, the chart is a little bit of a misnomer.
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  Speaker 4: It's great to have it, but if two teams decide
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  Speaker 4: what a price is, you don't have to worry about
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  Speaker 4: the chart. But According to the chart, it would take
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  Speaker 4: probably all three third round picks to get up to
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  Speaker 4: twenty five thirty, if another team would even be willing
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  Speaker 4: to do that, Because you can say that value is there.
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  Speaker 4: But if a team's sitting at twenty five, they may
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  Speaker 4: not want your three third round picks. You can say, well,
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  Speaker 4: there's no point in being like me at the grocery
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  Speaker 4: store and saying this is what the price is. Well
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  Speaker 4: the price. You can't sit there with another team and say, well,
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  Speaker 4: the chart says this, because they're like, I don't care
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  Speaker 4: about the chart.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't.
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  Speaker 4: It seems cost prohibitive to get into the but that
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  Speaker 4: never matters once.
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  Speaker 5: You're on the phone. The other thing to remember with
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  Speaker 5: this draft is.
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  Speaker 4: This draft overall in the first round is not projected
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  Speaker 4: to be as good as next year's draft. So I've
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  Speaker 4: gotten questions about, well, could they just you think about
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  Speaker 4: this as a concept.
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  Speaker 5: They have no first round pick?
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  Speaker 4: Could you theoretically trade up trade next year's first to
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  Speaker 4: get up into that and just keep doing that? Sure,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't know that teams are going to want
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  Speaker 4: next year to give away a first round pick if
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  Speaker 4: you try that again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've heard from people around the league that you
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  Speaker 1: definitely don't want to give away next year's first round.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's how good the draft is, not just in players, John,
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  Speaker 1: but also in terms of value. So if you're looking
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  Speaker 1: next year, if you have a first round pick in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven and none of those guys necessarily fit you,
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  Speaker 1: the leverage that you've got, yeah, it's just twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven is not something to give up.
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  Speaker 4: Also, this is not a year necessarily it's CONSI I
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  Speaker 4: don't really talked to James Gladstone about it, but I
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  Speaker 4: assume part of their thought with giving up the pick
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  Speaker 4: last year was it was it uh, they project, they
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  Speaker 4: sort of know what drafts might look like. I think
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  Speaker 4: the thought was this was not going to be a
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  Speaker 4: great first round this year. It is a year where
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  Speaker 4: you it is said that you should be able to
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  Speaker 4: get linebacker late where they are sitting at fifty six,
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  Speaker 4: and that it is a good year for depth and
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  Speaker 4: contributors in the third round.
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  Speaker 5: So you've got three picks.
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  Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think that you can look for a
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  Speaker 4: Day one starter out of that third round. But as
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  Speaker 4: James Gladstone said last week, after the top fifty, you're
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  Speaker 4: looking for contributors in that fifty to one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: fifty type range. They've got four picks there or five
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  Speaker 4: picks there, so it could be a good depth for
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  Speaker 4: the core and for the you know, for the nuts,
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  Speaker 4: both of the franchise of you. I may not be
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  Speaker 4: a star, but it could be a lot of guys
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Second draft.
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  Speaker 1: With James Gladstone leading the effort along with Tony Boselli
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  Speaker 1: and Liam Cohen, you have a sense where they fit
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  Speaker 1: on the best player available because look could be really
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  Speaker 1: easy and I think most people, based on your mock
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  Speaker 1: draft tracker, look at the Jaguars and say the picks
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  Speaker 1: are destined for defense. They need safety, they need linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Just go and spend defense.
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  Speaker 1: And James gave a nuanced answer about best player available
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  Speaker 1: last week. What's your sense of where this team will draft.
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  Speaker 4: I think this team drafts like most teams draft. You
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  Speaker 4: go into the draft wanting to stick with best available
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  Speaker 4: player as much as you possibly can. It's a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of a silly thing to think you're actually gonna
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  Speaker 4: do that, because you're not. If the best available is
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  Speaker 4: a wide receiver at every pick, you're not gonna pick
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  Speaker 4: eleven wide receivers. That's silly. So his nuanced answer was basically, yes,
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  Speaker 4: you look at best available player, but positional comes into it,
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  Speaker 4: and so I think that's the way they'll broach it.
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  Speaker 4: They are in a situation where they don't have to
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  Speaker 4: draft for need for any position. You could say that
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  Speaker 4: linebackers in need. They have Ventro Miller who can line
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  Speaker 4: up in Devin Lloyd's spot, and I don't think they
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  Speaker 4: lose any sleep doing that.
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  Speaker 5: Defensive tackle is that in.
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  Speaker 4: Need, probably, but you have Eric Armstead, you have Devon Hamilton.
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  Speaker 4: Trayvon I think is going to play a little more
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  Speaker 4: inside rush, so they don't feel like they're desperate at
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  Speaker 4: any spot. Usually teams strive to get in that situation
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  Speaker 4: before the draft, and I think they have so.
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  Speaker 2: One thought on the defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 1: And James had an answer on this one as well,
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  Speaker 1: and that is that you don't necessarily see that penetrating
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  Speaker 1: defensive tackle, right, I mean, they know what that looks like.
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  Speaker 1: They were in Los Angeles where Aaron Donald and he
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: is probably the all time greatest pass rusher from the inside.
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  Speaker 1: You're not looking for defensive tackles to necessarily do that,
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  Speaker 1: but you are necessarily looking at guys who might develop
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  Speaker 1: into that. And I thought it was an interesting answer
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  Speaker 1: because he was saying, we are looking for guys that
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  Speaker 1: can develop.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And usually once you get past a certain point,
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  Speaker 4: and it depends on what the draft looks like, meaning
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  Speaker 4: how good is the draft where you.
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  Speaker 5: Sit in it.
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  Speaker 4: But there comes a point fifth round where you start
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  Speaker 4: looking for traits where you don't necessarily you know, you
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  Speaker 4: know you're gonna miss on a certain percentage of guys
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  Speaker 4: once you get there. So you're looking for the trade.
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  Speaker 4: What do I see in a player that makes me
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  Speaker 4: think they may be able to make it. With Quinn
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  Speaker 4: Allen Junior, for example, last year, the toughness, the savvy,
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  Speaker 4: the you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, the football love, the ability to block.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you saw that and said, well, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: that's a thing that we know he can do. Let's
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  Speaker 4: get him in here and see if he can do
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  Speaker 4: at the NFL level. So usually a corner wide receiver,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: you're looking for your speed, ability to high point the ball,
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  Speaker 4: something that makes you think, okay, that could turn into
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: his NFL superpower if you will sure give them a
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  Speaker 4: chance to make it against these guys who clearly have
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  Speaker 4: more traits than that, but maybe we can develop this one.
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  Speaker 1: So next Friday, pardon me, Next Thursday appears to be
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  Speaker 1: a light day for the Jags, right, they'll be paying attention.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's going on, at least just right now, not being
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  Speaker 1: in the first round, but Friday four picks in the
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  Speaker 1: top one hundred fifty six, eighty one, eighty eight and
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and so we'll have live coverage for you
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  Speaker 1: next Friday.
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  Speaker 4: If there is a beach house involved, you'd like to know, Well, look,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: I don't want to beg but I mean, I'm just
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: throwing it out there.
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  Speaker 5: If there is a beach.
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  Speaker 2: House involved, maybe we can evolve.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: They have my digits, maybe we can evolve in this one.
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  Speaker 2: Did I listen?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I am never surprised by your verbiage, my friend. When
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you use words for your work, what do you always
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: say when you work with words, words are your work?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, we'll dive into the
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  Speaker 1: ozone speaking of John's words and answer a couple of
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  Speaker 1: questions for you.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: This is jagsam, but we're back right after.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: This this frit all right, here we go diving into
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the ozone mail bag. You follow it on the website
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: on your mobile phone and now you get the live
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  Speaker 1: version of John Oser read this.
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  Speaker 2: I was born ready buy Alright, here we.
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  Speaker 1: Go from Greg from the Mean Fields of EHS.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Do you know what EHS is?
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  Speaker 5: Fastcall high school? Right, mean Fields of EHS.
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  Speaker 4: Greg was actually a couple of years ahead of.
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  Speaker 2: Me at e fiscoal mean Fields.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of those guys that's here, look up to
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  Speaker 4: the kind of fear in the seventh grade.
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  Speaker 5: Not unlike you.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to recall whether another year with the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars they were more aligned with the VPA the best
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  Speaker 1: Available Player strategy somewhere in the late nineteen nineties question Mark.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's the point is, you know, it feels like
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  Speaker 4: this team really doesn't have any glaring me going into
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  Speaker 4: the draft, and all GM's work to get to this point.
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  Speaker 4: I see Greg's point. I kind of think there's been
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of years where you've felt like that going
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  Speaker 4: into the draft, and I think the matter is are
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: you deluding yourself if you feel that way? And I
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: think this team particularly is probably saying, hey, we're not.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: You know, we have more needs, we have more stuff
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  Speaker 4: to figure out than most people think because they want
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: to think that way. They don't want to feel like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: we're set here, we're set there, We've got to keep
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: getting better. But to Greg's point, I do think it's
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: a year where you don't have If you're sitting at
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: fifty six, you don't have to and all the linebackers
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  Speaker 4: you like are gone. You don't have to get desperate
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: and pick a guy you don't like. You can pull
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  Speaker 4: back and say, you know what, we've got guys on
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  Speaker 4: the roster who can do this. We just don't see
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: the value at this spot. We can go different directions.
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  Speaker 4: So I think they're in good shape. But I don't
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  Speaker 4: feel like the team is looking at their rock saying hey,
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  Speaker 4: we're set.
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  Speaker 1: No, and we can go back to what we talked
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  Speaker 1: about off the top. You've got some players in safety, right,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: so you lose Dewy wingerd in free agency, but you're
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  Speaker 1: bringing Caleb Bransaw in.
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  Speaker 4: That's supposed to be the if then scenario.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 1: White Milam by all accounts, looked really good last year
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  Speaker 1: before he suffered a knee injury at the end of
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: training camp that slowed him all season long. And I
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: watched Jalen McLeod who's an off the ball linebacker. When
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: he was practicing late last year, he never made it
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  Speaker 1: to the active roster. So I mean it's these picks
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: where the Jaguars are picking. They create value players like
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  Speaker 1: the ones we're talking about. It's the range of milam
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  Speaker 1: in Ransaw and and if McLoud is what they think he.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Is, I see people mocking high corner in safety. And
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: that's easy to say because you you look at the
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  Speaker 4: depth chart and say, well, they need a safety. Well,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: as you say to them, ran Saw is a draft
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: pick and he needs to be the guy coming in.
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  Speaker 2: So I thinks to the depth of the roster that
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you remember, well, it.
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  Speaker 4: Speaks to the fact that they're in good shape going
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  Speaker 4: into this draft. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Up next from the o jone mailbag, we bring in
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  Speaker 1: Bradley from Death Valley, California. How do you think a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: redraft of the twenty one draft would go? Knowing what
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: we know now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, and the question is, would Trevor still go number
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  Speaker 4: one over players like Michael Parsons and soul Jamar Chase.
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  Speaker 5: The way the NFL works, I think he would go
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  Speaker 5: number one.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying he has had a better career
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: than those four. Michael Parsons has had a better career
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: for his position than Trevor Lawrence. I'd say Jamar Chase
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: has two. If you're redrafting something you draft based on quarterback.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Trevor has turned into a franchise quarterback. Maybe there's people
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: are in the league who would fel different. I'd be
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: hard pressed not to take the quarterback number one overall,
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  Speaker 4: given those five, given the importance of the position.
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  Speaker 2: No argument there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap up this version of the Ozone
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  Speaker 1: mail Bag Live even person with John Ozier. I see
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: no mention of offensive lineman with the Jaguars in the draft.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: This seems weird. Line was good last year, not great.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't we try to be great? That's from Bill
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  Speaker 1: in Jacksby.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I don't really want to hang out with Bill.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: You know, he seems given to the negative, but which
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: I am to, so you don't need two at the
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: same table. I don't quite know what he has seen
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: that makes no he's talk an offensive line. They are
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: in a position where they're bringing back.
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  Speaker 5: All key guys.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: As you said, Wyatt Mylin's there, and he's that jar
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  Speaker 4: on the shelf.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: If you will so Jonah Bahen as well.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: I would be surprised if, out of what I said,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: they have four in the top one hundred that gets
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: you to round three. They have another one in round four.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: That's five. I'd be a little surprised if one of
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: those five not an offensive linemen, because I think that's
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: how this team is going to build block their offensive line.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know that they're crying in the back that
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: they don't have a first round pick. I don't think
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: they feel like they need to get desperate and fill
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: an offensive line spot. But I certainly think they will
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: continue to try to improve that area. Because Bill, as
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: cynical as he may be, is right. They weren't a
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  Speaker 4: great offensive line. They were a better offensive line they
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: have been. They were functional, they were winning. But they
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: definitely want to keep getting better because they want that
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: to be the foundation piece of the franchise.
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  Speaker 1: But I'd like to remind Bill and anyone who is
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: thinking along those lines, though, that as long as Tony
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Biselli's in the room, yeah, and you have eleven picks,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: there will be offensive line yes, under heavy consideration. And
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that is something that both Liam and James emphasized last week.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: During their news conference. We'll come back and wrap up
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: this edition to Jags Am in just a moment. But
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: here's a reminder to you, just in case you don't
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: get downtown very often. The stadium in the future is under construction,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and it seems like every time you come down here
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you see something else that's new and opening. And in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight that stadium will post. The Daguars will
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: be here in twenty six. Now we're Orlando, we know
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven. The stadium isn't the only thing
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: under construction. The roster is John and Tony Boselli has
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a big hand in that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, at the draft lunch in last week
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of topics covered. I think the one that
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: stood out to me was when I think Liam I'm
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: not even sure he was asked this specifically, but sort
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: of volunteered and got to this point of, look, with
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Tony in the room, every prospect that's discussed got to
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: be able to block, got to be able to tackle,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: and is he tough? Yeah, I'm paraphrasing that a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: But I have people ask me sometimes what does an
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  Speaker 4: EVP do? And I asked Tony that and he he says,
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  Speaker 4: I have no idea, but I think that if you
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: wonder what having bow around the Hall of Fame or
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: the left tackle, the identity of what this was in
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: the nineties, to me, that's the influence there always, you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: looking at a guy. Yeah, yeah, it's all great, but
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: it is he these things? Does he fit? Is he tough?
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Can we count on him? So I thought that comment
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: was interesting insight into what Tony briks.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, leave comebs the head coach, right, so he
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: sets the standard for this team, much like Tom Kauflin did.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: But the one thing that I have seen from Tony
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Boselli in the last years since he started in this
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  Speaker 1: role is that he enforces the standard.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I mean everyone who knows him. He doesn't have to
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: wear the gold jackets he walks through.
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  Speaker 4: The hallway, although he does, which is a little off put.
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  Speaker 2: But the standard is set.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Everybody stands a little a little taller, right, wants to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: perform a little bit. When they know that the Hall
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: of Famer is there, they measure themselves against it.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: So it's been a.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Really good dynamic to date and it's exciting to see
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: what they're going to do next.
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  Speaker 2: Week.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. I think we go Wednesday
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: for the show next week. Sure if the day before
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the first round of the Draft, we'll be here. I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: hope you'll join us. Thanks for being part of Jags AM.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Have a great day.