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Spirit Communication: A Story of Love and Loss with Nat Lockett 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Hello and welcome to another episode of The Psyche
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Explorer. And my word, have I got an absolutely
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gorgeous episode for you today. Today's guest
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is Nat Lockett. Nat is a developing medium and
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we met in an online circle. We've read for one
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another several times and Nat gives such gentle,
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calm readings. It's when she reads for you, it's
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such a beautiful experience. And as I explained
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in this conversation, the basis for it was born
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from something else. I originally reached out
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to Nat to see if she had any spooky stories that
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I could share for my Halloween episode. The email
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that I received back, it justified an entire
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episode just for Nat. You will hear these stories
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as we go through our conversation and I'm sure
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she has many more to tell as well. But the reason
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I wanted to give Nat an opportunity to talk about
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her experiences, not only because it may resonate
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with you as a dear listener, but also I really
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want to try and showcase or at least try and
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showcase as many different experiences people
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have onto this path as possible. But the point
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that I made in my Winter Solstice Ghost Stories
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episode was that ghost stories don't have to
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be scary, they don't have to be spooky, they
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don't have to be terrifying. They can actually
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be something really affirming and really positive
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and the vast majority of Nat's experiences are
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exactly that. They are positive. She saw them
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and she still sees them as something beautiful.
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Communication from loved ones who are no longer
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with us. And what I especially love and what
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comes through on this conversation and this episode
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so strongly in my opinion is the theme of love
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and she bakes this into her family. It is the
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first thing her and her husband think of when
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raising their children. We start the interview
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with this amazing phrase that Nat's family sort
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of structure everything they do around and it's
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been led by love. If you take nothing else from
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this episode, my word, please take that. Whatever
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you do in life, be led by love. This is going
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out in April. However, me and Nat recorded this
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in January and it has been a week, my word, with
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everything going on in politics in the US. It's
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scary, scary times. And I think if we all just
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took a moment to step back and question, am I
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being led by love? Things in this world would
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be so much better, so much better. Before we
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start the conversation with Nat. There's a question
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I asked and I'm referring to some videos that
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Nat has sent me. She very kindly allowed me to
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share these videos of her communicating with
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her loved ones using a REM box and a regular
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bathroom light that flashes on and off. I've
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put these together and I've put these onto my
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Instagram Reel, so if you're interested, pop
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on over to my Instagram, the .psych .explorer
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and you'll be able to see them there. Not only
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that, but after we finish recording this episode,
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Nat wanted to tell me about a recent experience
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that her husband had had. So we recorded that
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as well and that is actually on video, that's
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on cam. Again, pop over to my Instagram and you'll
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be able to see a short additional story to one
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of the many that Nat talks about in this episode.
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Right, I have rambled on more than enough. Here
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is the wonderful Nat Lockett. Natalie Lockett,
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my friend from across the pond. Nat, how are
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you? I'm doing well, how are you? I'm very well,
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thank you. You said earlier on before we started
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recording that you got a bit of a tickly cough,
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so I'm sending you all my healing vibes and hoping
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that you can suppress this cough for today's
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conversation. How are you? How was your Christmas?
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Christmas was lovely, very. Small, stayed home,
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it was great. How about yours? Yeah, it was good.
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It was good, thank you. I put on a few kilos.
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You and me both. Yeah, it's like if you can't
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put on and do it at Christmas, then when the
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hell can you do it, you know? Absolutely. And
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for listeners thinking why the hell are you talking
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about Christmas, it is April. We are recording
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this in very early January, so this is the first
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time that me and Nat have seen each other since
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Christmas. Now, before we get started, could
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you just explain to the dear listeners Who are
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you? Introduce yourself if you would. Yeah, so
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I'm Natalie. You can call me Nat or Natalie,
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either way. I am a stay at home mom and a developing
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medium. You know, just trying to live this life
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following the lead of love, making this world
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a better place. Yeah, that's it. That's all I
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do. What a beautiful phrase. Oh, following the
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lead of love. Where does that come from? It's
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kind of just my family's motto, if you will.
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My husband and I, every decision we make, everything
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we do, everything we teach our children, is following
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the lead of love. Is this a loving thing? Where
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is this going to lead us? How does this help
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others? Does this feel like a pull of love that's
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leading us this way, or is it something else?
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And we just, yeah, follow the lead of love is
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what I... have been doing since I was born is
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what I like to think. I've messed up a lot of
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my path. But yeah, in my family, in my home,
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we try to follow the lead of love. I think that
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is so beautiful. I mean, we were talking before
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we pressed record about what's been going on
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this week so far. Again, just to remind listeners,
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although this is going out in April, we are recording
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this first week of January. And the start of
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2026 so far has been... What a beautiful way
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to raise your family with that as your motto.
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I think so many people will benefit if they have
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something like that. Is it easy though? No, no
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it's not because I mean in one way yes, it's
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my automatic, it's just like my automatic. I
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don't know how to explain it any other way other
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than that's just what I do and that's what we
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do. It is not easy for myself at times because
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it's hard to use my voice and that's something
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that I've had to learn how to do. It's easier
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to use my voice for other people. It's easier
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for me to follow the lead of love. So I correct
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myself. Yes, it's easy to do when it involves
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others. Something's happening to someone else.
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I step up and I use my voice. However, following
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the lead of love for myself is something that
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I am working on. Yeah. Thank you so much for
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coming on today, Nat. I reached out to you, well,
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through a mutual circle friend, actually. We'd
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obviously spoken to each other a few times before
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then, because we go to the same online circle.
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But I was putting the feelers out for some spooky
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stories for the Halloween episode. And Chelsea
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said, well, I don't have any, but Nat might.
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And so she got an email to you. And the email
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that I received off the back of that conversation
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was... story after story after story. It was
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possibly the best email I have ever received.
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And I replied back to you and I said, I think
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this is too good of an opportunity to ignore.
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You need an episode just for yourself. And what
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struck me now was that every story you sent me
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seemed to have this backstory or this theme of
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communication with it. Yeah, absolutely. I did
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reach out for the spooky stories. and I gave
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you this list. However, I was so hesitant to
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send it to you because they're not spooky to
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me. And so I am like, yes, I have a list of all
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these experiences, but they don't really fit
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with spooky because nothing has felt. A correction,
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one time spooky, however, it's a lack of understanding
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which leads to my spooky feeling. So I just wanted
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to say that because my list is all like loving
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and exciting and full of curiosity rather than
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spookiness. So I do want to say that because
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it was just kind of on repeat in my mind. Absolutely.
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With that in mind, shall I ask the first question?
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Great, yes. Now would you take us back to your
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earliest memories of something that you found
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strange or unexplained and how did you come to
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understand that as a child? I have a story that
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my mom used to tell me from before I can remember
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but the first experience that I do remember I
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must have been five or six from yeah five or
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six and my younger sibling and I used to hear
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in the kitchen everyone would be asleep and I
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heard this forever and eventually I asked him
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and I Would hear pots and pans in the kitchen
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just a ruckus so much was going on Cabinets opening
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closing I get up and no one was in there Everyone's
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asleep. I'd look at my mom and dad's room. They're
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asleep. My others both my siblings asleep No
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one's awake. I'd go back into bed and it would
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just happen again And eventually I asked my younger
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sibling. We shared a room together And he heard
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it as well. And our imagination took over and
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we called it the werewolf in the kitchen. Not
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too terrifying then. No. So we called it the
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werewolf in the kitchen who would show up every
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night, just every night. And what's really fascinating
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about this is eventually it stopped. And fast
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forward to when we're in our 20s and I receive
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a text message from my brother. And he texts
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me and he said, the werewolf is in the kitchen.
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He didn't have to say anything else. I knew exactly
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what he meant. And it was just really comforting.
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I don't know. It felt like an old pal was back,
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if you will. It was really cool. Yeah, so you
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look back on that with not dread or horror, but
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positivity. Absolutely, yeah. There was no feelings
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of anything dreadful. Yeah, I felt very safe.
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I felt curious. I think curiosity is what would
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overcome us. And then our child brains took over
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and we called it the werewolf, which just added
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a lot of play into it. Yeah, the analytical part
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of me is begging to ask, what do you think it
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was? Was it an earthquake or was it something
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spiritual or spooky? But I suppose that takes
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away from the mystery and the romance and the
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magic of it. Yeah, you know, I'm in Washington
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and we have earthquakes quite often. However,
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an earthquake every night, that's not happening.
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No, no, it's not. Definitely something spiritual.
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There's no other explanation for what happened.
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I don't know if I'll have an answer until I transition
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to the spiritual side, and I look forward to
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that. Yeah, but not too soon, please. No, not
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too soon. No, let's knock on some wood, please.
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Let's not be too hasty just yet. So how did it
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feel to be not the only one to hear or to feel
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those things? What did that feel like? You know,
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that is the only experience that we shared together
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until we were about 15. But it did feel nice.
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I don't really... Growing up, I often felt lonely
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and alone because I was often in my own mind.
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Like, I take that back, lonely and alone from
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the physical world, from friends and things like
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that. I was often in my own mind experiencing
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things with my feelings, I guess, if you will,
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I don't really know. But to have my sibling experience
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that with me, I feel like is something really
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special and unique. And it makes me feel really
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warm inside that we shared that together, like
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that piece of our childhood that was so like...
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I don't know, like... It just makes me feel good.
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And to have someone that experienced it with
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me was nice, yes. Something to share when, you
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know, time when you were feeling lonely. Yeah,
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I get that. Yeah. I know there was a time that
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you knew when something was going to happen before
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it happened. I know that there must have been
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several times that this happened, but there's
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one time in particular that you emailed me about
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that you knew something really significant before
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you were even told about it. Would you mind sharing
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with listeners what that was and how did that
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make you feel at that time? Because as listeners
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will hear the story, that must have actually
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been quite dramatic. Yes. So before I share that
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experience, that happened when I was around nine,
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nine years old. My family life, I feel like plays
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in a lot, like leading up to this moment. I need
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to share that I often knew things all the time
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without knowing why. So in my family with my
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father, my mom, I was kind of the know -it -all
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without meaning to be the know -it -all. Everyone
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acknowledged it without acknowledging it. For
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instance, we're driving in the middle of a field,
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in the middle of nowhere, and my mom takes a
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wrong turn, and I'm in the back seat. I remember
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this so clearly, not knowing where we are. I'm
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like, Mom, you're supposed to turn that other
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way. And she's like, you don't know anything.
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You don't have the map. You're a child. No. And
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I'm like, no, honestly, we're supposed to turn
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that way. Well, we drive like an hour in the
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opposite direction. Lo and behold, we're supposed
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to turn that way. So I can imagine how frustrating
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that would have been to have. this little child
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telling you all the things you're doing wrong,
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all the things that are correct. My family kind
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of grew up with me being that person who just
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spoke the truth when the truth wasn't wanted
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to be spoken, if that makes sense. Knowing things
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that I shouldn't have known. So that's kind of
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what my whole life was. So then when I'm nine,
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my grandfather was very sick. He had cancer and
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was passing. We knew he was going to pass, but
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he was ill at this point and we didn't know when.
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My mom goes to visit him and it's me, my dad
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and my siblings that are at home. And I remember
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my dad was sitting in his chair and I remember
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so vividly standing in the living room between
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the living room and the dining room and I felt
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my grandfather. He was next to me. He was with
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me and he was telling me Not verbally, I didn't
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hear him, but he was telling me and I knew that
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he just passed. He was saying goodbye to me.
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Sorry, this actually might make me cry. If you
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don't want to continue now, you don't have to.
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No, I do. I'm a crier, so I just apologize for
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whatever tears come out. Never apologize for
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crying. It was such a gift and it was so beautiful
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to share that moment with him. And I turned to
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my dad, and I was sobbing, and I crawled into
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his lap, and I told him grandpa died. And in
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that moment, my dad was like, no, he did not.
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Someone would call us. Someone would tell us.
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And I was like, no, I'm grieving. I'm bawling.
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I know. I felt him. I felt his goodbye. I felt
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this piece of me leave the physical world and
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join me in my spiritual world. And my dad was
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just saying, no, no, no, no, no. And a couple
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hours later, I'm pretty much told to stop crying
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and to knock it off. And I'm, you know, my mom
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comes home a few hours later, just bawling. And
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my dad's hugging her at the front door. And we
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find out that my grandpa died. And that was the
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first. huge experience that my father had seen
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me have. It was so clear in that moment. You
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cannot deny that I experienced what I experienced.
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And at that moment, a few months later, my dad
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introduced fear into all of my experiences, told
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me that I needed to stop everything I was doing
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and to shut it down, that he was scared for me.
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But there was nothing scary for me in the experiences
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I had. It was quite beautiful to experience my
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grandfather leaving and saying goodbye to me
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to join me in another way. It was beautiful,
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tragic, sad, you know, but so beautiful. Was,
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were your parents, was there religion in your
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upbringing? So we didn't go to church. God was
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not something introduced to me. Goodness, my
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stories always end up at the end and go backwards,
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so I apologize for that. But my father was raised
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Baptist. We didn't talk about God in our home.
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My mom was also raised in and out of the church,
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but it's nothing. We didn't go to church. We
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maybe went to church once, but I don't even remember
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it. What I do remember is before all of this,
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from the moment I can remember, feeling something
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bigger than me. I didn't need to go to church
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to meet Source, God, Divine, Great Spirit, Samantha,
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whatever you want to call this love, this love
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that connects us all. I have felt it since I
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was a child. I grew up in a traumatic home, and
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I remember just laying in bed, and this love
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would come and be with me. And that's who I call
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what everyone else calls God, what I have. learned
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other religions and such. However, To fast forward
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to your question. My dad at that point pulled
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out the Bible and talked about all these things.
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I mean, I never looked at a Bible before this
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point and he really just tried to instill fear
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into my experience and he was scared. He had
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fear. He didn't understand this. He wasn't experiencing
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it the way I was. Instead, he viewed his daughter
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going through these things that he couldn't understand.
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taking him back into what he was taught. So I
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don't put any blame on him or anything of the
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sort for what he kind of tried to instill in
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me, but it just didn't work. I mean, I didn't
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have the fear. I just talked about it less, you
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know. What you're saying then that works out
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perfect for my next question about other people's
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responses to your experiences. You're saying
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that it didn't scare you, but did it stop you?
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Did you start to shut things down or did you
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just carry on along your own way and just keep
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it quiet? Yeah, I would say a little bit of both.
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I think that at that point, you know, becoming
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a teenager and things, and my life was quite
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messy with my family. I kind of was thrown more
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into my physical world, my physical life, and
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would... tried to disappear from that into my
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spiritual life. However, during the day, I was
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so involved in the moment that I did shut down
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and kind of separate myself a little bit. Experiences
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always happen around me. Spirit has always done
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things physically around me all the time. But
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as for feeling spirit and those kind of experiences,
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it really calmed down. I remember going into
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homes where I could feel shifts of energy, but
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not understand them. Looking back now since developing
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my mediumship, now I have an understanding of,
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oh, that's what I felt. And it's really cool
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to know what I felt was accurate, but just have
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a better understanding of what I felt then. But
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as for like the experiences, like my grandfather
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showing up, things like that really slowed down.
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I would say I spent maybe the next 10 years.
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feeling other people and who they were and having
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more of an understanding of humans and seeing
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who they were at the core and letting that kind
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of lead me and grow, I don't really know. Before
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we move on, I just want to explore this a little
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bit more because I've written down this little
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side question. Going back to when you were having
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these experiences when you were a child, I wonder...
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Do you or did you have any language for what
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you were experiencing back then? Or was it just
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feelings? I wonder, how did you interpret that
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at that age? So I thought it was normal. I didn't
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know. I always, so in my family, we don't talk
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about things. We're not, you know, I was told
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not to talk about things. We don't talk about
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things. So I thought this was something, all
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of my experiences, the things that would happen.
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From what I can remember, I remember it just
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being normal, just something that we don't talk
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about for some reason. Until, for instance, I
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share it with my younger brother because that
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was the boldest and loudest thing, right? That
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was continuing. It would happen over and over
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again. I'm like, I can't ignore this. I can't
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not talk about this. Pots and pans are making
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noises and there's no one there. Exactly, like
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this, we have to talk, we can't not talk about
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this. And I do remember my mom would mention,
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I don't have this memory, it feels like a memory
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of a memory. My mom told me that when I was young,
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still in a crib, you know, I talk a lot, I always
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have talked a lot, it's just who I am. And if
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I can't talk, I communicate in other ways. My
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mom told me that I would often tell her about
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a man in a top hat that would come into my room
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and come to my crib and play with me. I don't
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remember this. This is what my mom has told me.
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However, she told me there was a book when I
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got to reading age and there was a book with
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a man in a top hat. And I was so excited because
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it looked just like him. And at that point, my
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mom had excitement over it all. I do remember
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that my mom would talk to me about this, but
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then when you start saying everything and when
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everything you say is what people don't want
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to hear. I think the problem was there was a
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blur between psychism, which I didn't realize
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was psychism. I honestly actually called myself
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a psycho because I thought psycho meant psychic.
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So I would run around and say, I'm a psycho.
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I'm a psycho. I love it. Oh, I love it. I love
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it. I love it. Which is a family memory everyone
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laughs about until it no longer was cute, until
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I started getting information that was too big.
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And I didn't separate. what was spiritual experiences
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versus psychic information. It all was one in
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the same to me. Good golly, I forgot what your
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question was again. However, I think that kind
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of answered it. Yeah, it's about the language,
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about how you made you feel if you didn't have
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that language. I think what you're saying then
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that is actually really common. Back in the winter,
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I released the Winter Solstice episode where
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listeners sent in their ghost stories, which
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weren't scary. They were actually really affirming.
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And one of the stories came from my auntie and
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she was saying about my cousin at that time who
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was a baby. And my auntie had just got my cousin
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out of the bath. She was drying her down. She
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said my cousin looked at the back bedroom towards
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the back bedroom and she just said, hello. And
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my auntie said she looked around behind her but
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there was no one there. And she said, darling,
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there's no one there. And apparently my cousin
24:23
looked up towards the bedroom again and just
24:26
burst into tears because she couldn't conceive
24:29
that what she was seeing wasn't there. And my
24:34
point is, I've listened to and watched so many
24:36
different things from psychics and mediums, and
24:38
there's this thing that... You're not fully human.
24:41
You know, until you're like 10 or so, you're
24:44
still really connected to that world that we
24:47
came from and we are going to. After that age,
24:50
there seems to be this conditioning, this dialing
24:53
down. I mean, clearly you, this has not happened
24:55
to you. But for most people, it just sort of
24:58
dials down the volume of this other world. Yeah.
25:02
Oh, I just want to hug your cousin. That's such
25:04
a sweet story. I just want to hug your little
25:07
child cousin. You know what, if you haven't already,
25:10
I would, and I'm not just selling this, but if
25:12
you haven't already, I would re -recommend anyone
25:15
go back and just listen to those stories. They're
25:18
not scary, they're not spooky, they're just really
25:22
affirming that there's something else there.
25:25
I will definitely, I haven't listened to that
25:28
episode, but I will listen to it with my... older
25:31
child, I'm sure she would love to hear it. Perfect.
25:34
A bit of upsetting nail on the psychic's floor.
25:38
Before we move on to the next question, you were
25:41
talking about your father and how he was instilling
25:45
fear into something that was really natural to
25:47
you. How did that affect you going forward? Maybe
25:51
in life, with your confidence? I think tremendously
25:56
it has affected and impacted me greatly. I still
26:01
work on my confidence. It will be a never -ending
26:04
thing that I need to work on. Being told something
26:08
from someone who I'm trusting, something that
26:13
I don't believe to be true is very confusing
26:17
as a child. To have this beautiful experience
26:20
and have my parent tell me how... fearful I need
26:24
to be of it and how I need to shut it down, cut
26:28
it off. And there was honest, I could feel how
26:31
scared my dad was. He was truly scared, which
26:36
was so conflicting and hard and confusing. Believing
26:43
myself and trusting myself is difficult still.
26:49
What is not difficult? is trusting and believing
26:53
spirit. For instance, this episode, this podcast,
26:58
where you're like, this is all about you, this
27:00
is your podcast, that your episode, it's actually
27:04
nothing about me. And it's not for me. This is
27:08
an opportunity for spirit to share experiences
27:13
that can be had and are had by all, the way that
27:17
Spirit shows up so boldly and beautifully in
27:20
everyone's lives. This isn't about me. It's just
27:24
a story being told that Spirit is telling of
27:29
how they've shown up my whole life. And that
27:32
is what I have confidence in. Myself, none. Spirit,
27:37
all of it. So when I first met Nat on an online
27:48
circle, for me at least, there was this immediate
27:52
connection or at least an immediate recognition
27:54
of this just absolutely phenomenally beautiful
27:59
soul before me. And I think re -listening to
28:03
this as I'm editing this, I am just getting the
28:06
biggest chills as she is talking. I really hope
28:09
you are appreciating what Nat is saying. Her
28:11
philosophy, her experiences just... Utterly beautiful.
28:17
If you want to tell Natalie how amazing she is,
28:21
she's not actually on a lot of social media.
28:23
So if you want to tell her, please let me know
28:26
and I'll forward your messages on to her. You
28:28
can find me at the .Scikit .Explorer, Facebook,
28:32
threads and Instagram. Yeah, just please pass
28:36
on your love to Natalie because just, oh, just
28:40
chills, just beautiful. Now, without sounding
28:48
too patronizing, I think you are doing phenomenally
28:51
on this episode. I know I said to you before
28:53
that this is your episode, but I think what you
28:55
were saying before the break there about it being
28:58
about spirit, I love that philosophy. It's just
29:02
absolutely beautiful. I really hope that my listeners
29:05
or our listeners take that forward with them
29:08
into their lives. You know, it's very easy when
29:10
we step onto this path of mediumship, that we
29:13
develop an ego. You know, we call ourselves developing
29:16
mediums, but actually, it's very easy to develop
29:19
an ego instead. And I really believe that what
29:22
you just said, Dan, that is something that everyone
29:25
should take on board when they step down this
29:27
path. Really, really beautiful. Thank you. Let's
29:31
get back to your story, shall we? Great. Please.
29:34
So you moved into your teenage years. Did you
29:38
notice any change in intensity? And is there
29:41
a particular moment that stayed with you if you
29:43
did notice a deepening of intensity? Yeah, absolutely.
29:49
So there was one moment that involved several
29:53
people. So it was really quite fascinating and
29:56
I will never forget this. It's as if that happened
29:58
yesterday. I was around 15 and me, my mother,
30:05
my younger brother, and we went to visit my grandma.
30:09
And at this point, she had a very old farmhouse
30:13
up in Michigan, in the U .P., like in the middle
30:16
of nowhere, a very old, old farmhouse. We were
30:20
visiting her and she was an artist. And so we
30:25
painted these paintings and we're sitting in
30:29
the kitchen and we had all of our paintings out.
30:31
And my grandma was just discussing them with
30:33
us and, you know. Oh, I love that. I love that.
30:37
Honestly, I miss her so much because painting
30:40
with her was just such a beautiful thing. So
30:43
there's this door closed, a rocking chair in
30:46
front of the door, and all of our paintings in
30:49
front of this rocking chair. Behind the door
30:52
are stairs that lead upstairs to two bedrooms.
30:56
Now, these two bedrooms don't lock. However,
31:00
my mother tried to open one and it would not
31:03
budge and would not open a few days before. So
31:05
that's kind of sticking out to us. And then it
31:07
opened up just randomly, which could have been
31:10
heat, coldness. I like to really bring the mundane
31:12
in and not have everything be spirit. It's very
31:15
important. I think it's important to, you know,
31:17
especially in Michigan, it gets really cold.
31:19
Absolutely. Yeah. So it very well could have
31:21
been that. We were up there during summer, so
31:23
it wasn't getting too cold. I still insert that
31:28
because I think it's very important. pictures
31:34
sitting there and we hear footsteps. All of us
31:38
hear footsteps coming down the stairs. As the
31:42
footsteps reach the bottom of the stairs, the
31:46
rocking chair starts to rock. There's no draft.
31:49
There is nothing going on. This rocking chair
31:52
is just rocking. And my grandmother has had experiences.
32:00
before. And so this is nothing abnormal and usual
32:03
to her. Instead, she's just continuing on. But
32:06
I will never forget that moment where I have
32:10
people experiencing something that I experienced
32:13
on my own. They're all hearing it, they're all
32:16
seeing it. And it was just like, I like I'm beaming
32:19
right now. I know no one can see this. I was
32:21
so excited to share this moment. Look at that,
32:25
everyone. Look at that. Right. It was so cool
32:29
and it was so lovely. I will admit that at this
32:32
point I didn't want to be alone in the house
32:35
because that was so bold. I think that was the
32:37
boldest thing that had happened that I was just
32:40
like, you know what? I don't really want to be
32:42
alone. I want to experience this with others,
32:44
but something about being alone, I just don't
32:46
want to. So I'm taking a nap a couple of days
32:49
later. And I wake up, and you know who's all
32:52
alone in the home? I am. I am all alone. I asked
32:55
my family not to leave me. They're exploring
32:57
the property, looking at old farmers' machinery.
32:59
I don't even know what they're doing. And I hear
33:03
someone walking upstairs. And I hear someone
33:06
walking down the stairs. And I have to run. I
33:09
have to run through the kitchen, past the stairs
33:11
to get outside to a sunroom to leave the house.
33:14
And I did. I did leave very quickly. It's nothing
33:18
scary. I was just... No, there is. There's something
33:22
about inanimate objects moving on their own,
33:25
especially rocking chairs. And maybe I've been
33:27
scarred from The Woman in Black. Have you ever
33:29
seen it or read it? No. Oh, my God, you must.
33:33
It's amazing. Written by Susan Hill, she wrote
33:36
this story, I think, back in the 80s and... They
33:40
turned it into a stage show in the West End,
33:42
I don't think it's on anymore, but went to see
33:44
it a few years ago, and everyone in our group
33:46
said, oh, it was so boring, but I loved it. The
33:49
whole thing was just played by two people, and
33:52
it was so atmospheric. and it's set in Victorian
33:56
England and this house is on a little causeway,
34:00
on a tidal causeway, it's cut off by this tidal
34:03
causeway and it's owned by this woman and this
34:06
solicitor goes to stay there to try and tie up
34:09
this woman's affairs because she's died. but
34:12
their rumour is that if you see the woman in
34:14
black, something awful happens to all the children
34:17
in your life. It's really good. That's terrifying.
34:21
Oh, it is. It's terrifying. It's brilliant. But
34:24
the reason I bring it up is because in the play
34:27
and in the film, there's this rocking chair that
34:32
just goes back and forth on its own and it's
34:35
so atmospheric and it's followed up by this blood
34:38
curdling scream. It's terrifying. I mean, as
34:42
soon as I read your email about a rocking chair
34:44
rocking with its own, I thought, oh my god, oh
34:47
my god, oh my god, it's the woman in black. It's
34:50
so funny too because that sounds very, you know,
34:54
traumatizing, that story, the terror inserted.
34:56
Yeah. However, today... I'm like, please rock
34:59
all of my chairs, flip them upside down, do whatever
35:01
you can. I'm here for it. Let's do it. I love
35:05
it. I thoroughly recommend the film, the book,
35:09
the play. They're all brilliant. But yeah, let's
35:13
move on from rocking chairs. I remember in one
35:17
of your stories, you were saying about smelling
35:19
something. And I wonder, at the time, did you
35:23
feel or smell were these things physical? Or
35:27
were you interpreting them through how you're
35:29
feeling? Like, now you and I might say as you're
35:33
Claire's. How did you feel that? What was that
35:35
like? So, I would say everything up to this point,
35:40
there was a lot of physical activity always happening.
35:42
Things, obviously, rocking chair is rocking.
35:45
But everything was primarily feeling. I just
35:47
felt and kind of knew. So what is that? Clairvoyance,
35:50
I believe? No, Claire cognizant. Cognizant. Yeah.
35:55
Claire sent it? No, Claire Cobbenson is knowing,
35:58
yeah. You know, I'm going to trust you. I don't
36:00
know any of them. I don't know why I just pretended
36:02
like I did. That information comes in and it
36:04
goes straight out. Anywho, I can't retain that.
36:10
So, when I was in my 20s... It started to become
36:15
more than just feeling. The smelling started
36:18
to happen. One particular night, I'm at a birthday
36:21
party of, or not a birthday party, I'm sorry,
36:24
excuse me, just a winter party at my brother's
36:26
house. And this night, I was going all around.
36:31
I was very pregnant, so my nose was very active.
36:35
Like, I can smell things, right? And I could
36:40
smell my dad everywhere. throughout this entire
36:43
home. It didn't matter who I was talking to.
36:46
I could smell him and it just kept, I would leave
36:48
a room, I'd go somewhere else and I could smell
36:50
him. And the smell was accompanied with a feeling,
36:53
but I couldn't understand this feeling. needed
36:58
to understand it and I just remember going everywhere
37:01
saying like why do I smell dad you smell like
37:03
dad you smell like my dad you know which is a
37:06
smell of whiskey and tobacco but everyone also
37:09
has that unique smell to them you know this the
37:13
smell that is you and it's mixed in with that
37:18
and I could never find where this smell was coming
37:22
from that night nowhere I looked everywhere And
37:26
the next day I go home and I received a phone
37:31
call from my brother, letting me know that my
37:34
father passed. And gosh, you know, I'm gonna
37:39
cry again, but looking back at that, I know that
37:48
it was his soul. Letting me know he was about
37:52
to depart and transition from this physical world.
37:56
I I knew that feeling I now know the feeling
38:01
that accompanies when I smell someone I know
38:03
that feeling now because it happened again That
38:07
accompanies when someone's going to pass and
38:09
it happened which I love. It brings me so much
38:16
comfort and peace. Me and my father weren't talking
38:18
at the time, so it's extra special and it's extra
38:21
beautiful that he showed up before he passed
38:26
in such a bold way that his spirit did his soul
38:29
and gave me that smell and that feeling so I
38:33
could experience that. You know, you're right.
38:36
It really is such a beautiful thing. I had a
38:39
similar thing when my mum died. I knew to the
38:42
minute when she died, I was driving to the accident
38:44
and I knew I probably wasn't going to make it.
38:48
But I thought, don't say anything, just look
38:51
at the time and the clock on the car, because
38:54
I know that means something. I knew that that
38:56
time was important and I could just feel her,
38:59
I knew that she had gone. About 10 minutes later
39:01
my sister called me to tell me that she had gone.
39:04
And I knew she had gone and we got to the accident
39:09
and the paramedics were there and the doctor
39:11
was there and the doctor said, do you have anything
39:13
to ask? And I said, what time does she die? And
39:17
I remember looking at the clock and it being
39:18
12 .01 when she passed, when I felt her and the
39:21
doctor said she was declared at 12 .02. And I
39:25
just knew it, I just knew it. And there's something
39:27
about that transition from body to spirit where
39:31
I hear people talk about When people die, they
39:34
need six months to go to a spirit hospital. And
39:36
I'm just like, no, it just does not sit right
39:39
with me. Or at least it's not my experience.
39:42
Absolutely not. I think that's other people projecting
39:44
their beliefs onto me and my experience. And
39:47
that just doesn't sit right with me. No, yeah.
39:50
Which is all we can really speak from is our
39:52
experience, right? So I wonder what their experience
39:56
is to say something so bold like that. And it's
39:59
always that boldness. It's that definitive, this
40:02
is how it is. I'll always try and caveat. If
40:05
I don't know something, I was in the reading
40:07
this night and I said to them, I feel like this
40:10
is what I'm getting. I feel like this is what
40:12
they're trying to say to me. But I mean, I don't
40:13
know. I'm not there. I have no idea how it works
40:16
on that side. But I do feel it's really important
40:18
to caveat that because we just don't know. I'm
40:21
sorry. I know we're getting away from your experience.
40:23
I'm really sorry. But I guess my point is that
40:26
you've had these experiences around people's
40:28
deaths and they're so poignant, but they're so
40:30
beautiful as well. Has that helped you with your
40:33
abilities? Do you think that's deepened your
40:35
abilities? Absolutely. Well, first, I must touch
40:40
on thank you for sharing about your experience
40:42
with your mom. I could just feel the love surrounding
40:46
me in that moment. So just thank you for sharing
40:50
that. And what a beautiful thing that you were,
40:54
that you felt that. I just... as tragic as that
40:59
is and how much I wish that wasn't your experience,
41:01
I just want to acknowledge it. I can't move on
41:03
without acknowledging that. Oh, bless you. Well,
41:05
thank you. It's what started this whole journey
41:09
from that moment onwards. Yeah, absolutely. That's
41:14
also my mother passing was also that. I forgot
41:18
your question. Will you please repeat it? I'm
41:21
so sorry. Yes, absolutely. You were saying that
41:25
it seemed to me the most profound experiences
41:27
you have tend to be around the death of people,
41:31
so your father, your grandfather. And I just
41:33
wondered if that had helped, maybe the wrong
41:36
word, but deepened your abilities that you have.
41:40
Yes, it has. I find that my biggest experiences,
41:45
like the loudest experiences that I have, are
41:49
always surrounding someone who I love. deeply
41:53
their passing, which then just shows me what
41:57
is possible, not only for myself, but what's
42:01
possible for others, and also what's possible
42:04
for me to open up to for others, for Spirit to
42:09
work through me for others, right? And it's feeling
42:13
that deep love, that... With my father's passing
42:18
with smelling that with my grandfather's passing
42:20
and feeling and knowing It comes with just this
42:26
deepest feeling of love that I just cannot describe
42:30
It is the true sense of unconditional love in
42:33
those moments. I also another example that I
42:36
have of someone passing My husband's grandfather
42:41
was very ill and we knew he was passing. We didn't
42:44
know when. We visited him and he couldn't get
42:48
out of his bed and my daughter really wanted
42:53
him to get up and play with him and it was very
42:55
important to her. And I was like, no, no, no,
42:58
we can't, like he can't talk. He truly was at
43:02
the end and I didn't want her to hurt him. And
43:07
so we go home and I have a dream that felt more
43:10
than a dream. And in this dream, he came to me.
43:15
We were right back where we were, and he was
43:18
getting out of the bed. And I'm like, oh, what
43:20
are you doing? Please lay back down. And my daughter's
43:24
playing with him, crawling in his lap, and they're
43:25
reading together. And I'm like, no, no, no, no,
43:27
no. And he's like, Natalie, please let me. I
43:31
feel okay now. I'm okay now. Let me. I'm good."
43:36
I'm like, no, no, no, she's going to hurt you.
43:37
And he's like, you're not listening. I'm good
43:39
now. Let me be with my granddaughter. Let me
43:42
play with her. Let me have this moment with her.
43:46
And then I woke up from this dream. Ooh, I have
43:49
the chills from head to toe. I don't know if
43:51
you can feel those chills. I have chills from
43:52
head to toe. I always get chills when you're
43:55
talking that because you're always so engaging.
43:57
I just love it. I absolutely love it. Spirit
43:59
just shows up like so boldly with love that it
44:02
just gives me the chills. Yeah. So I wake up
44:06
and in the door frame of my bedroom is standing
44:12
my husband's grandfather. I can see him clearly
44:16
standing there. I wasn't afraid. I knew he was
44:22
there. And I could, ooh, I could feel him saying
44:26
goodbye. He just gave me a look and my husband
44:30
was sleeping. I just felt so safe and I felt
44:36
so much love. And I just saw him. I literally
44:39
saw him. If I got up, I would have been able
44:41
to touch him. That's how physically strong he
44:44
was standing there. And I just went back to sleep.
44:48
I just closed my eyes and went to sleep because
44:50
it just felt so, that's what I needed to do.
44:53
I didn't need to wake up my husband and give
44:56
him the news. I didn't need to get up. That was
44:58
what was supposed to happen in that moment. You
45:00
know, and then we woke up. to his mom calling,
45:03
telling us the time that he died, which was the
45:06
time I woke up. I forget what time it was, but
45:08
I remember, I remember looking at the clock and
45:11
it was the same time. So, which is just another
45:13
example in way that spirit showed up so boldly
45:18
with and through love that I saw them now physically,
45:23
which was just so beautiful. And then so every
45:28
experience just deepened this understanding and
45:31
has just been the slow unfoldment to what I consider
45:36
the truth of spirit just continues to unfold
45:40
and I know it will continue to unfold. I'm never
45:43
going to stop experiencing new things with spirit
45:47
and what they're capable of. My entire life I
45:50
look forward to the continued unfoldment of what's
45:53
possible. And that story just kind of continued
45:58
to unfold and to bring this back to the smelling.
46:04
In 2021, my mother passed. And before she passed,
46:09
let's go backwards in time because that's what
46:11
I like to do is start, you know, just I never
46:14
tell stories fluidly, I apologize. When I was
46:18
a child, since the moment I could speak. without
46:22
knowing what I was doing. I would never do this
46:24
now. This is not something that's okay. I do
46:26
not condone this. Anyone that's listening, do
46:28
not do this. However, me not knowing any better,
46:32
since the moment I could speak, I have been telling
46:34
my mom how she was going to die. And I told her,
46:37
not knowing I was doing, I didn't know this was
46:40
something bad. I didn't know, I just knew. I
46:44
told her, I said, Mom, you're gonna die of lung
46:47
cancer. Your lungs are going to fail you and
46:51
I just would tell her over and over and over
46:53
again and then You know eventually it got to
46:57
a point where I can't tell her like I understood
47:00
why this was a terrible thing to be saying to
47:02
someone and again do not tell people even if
47:05
you think you know it's not something you want
47:07
to live with. But at that time you don't have
47:09
the language for what you are feeling at that
47:13
time you were just this innocent child who just
47:16
says what they feel. Yes, so innocently. I remember
47:19
as a child and worried. I was, I had this worry
47:22
and this fear because I knew and my mother was
47:25
also a smoker. She started smoking immensely
47:28
and I was like, please stop. Like I, it tore
47:32
me up and I just knew my whole life. And so I
47:35
was so encouraging of her to stop smoking because
47:37
I didn't know if it was the smoking that was
47:39
going to do it. I just remember being Before
47:43
I understood smoking caused lung cancer, before
47:47
I understood anything, I just knew and felt I
47:49
knew how my mom was gonna die. I knew she was
47:51
going to die and I knew how. And I had to tell
47:53
her because it made me so sad. Don't do that.
47:58
Again, do not do that. Adults that are listening.
48:03
But fast forward to the year 2021, six months
48:07
before my mom passes, before we know anything,
48:11
I smell her. and I have this feeling. This is
48:15
gonna make me cry. And I don't wanna tell her.
48:19
I don't wanna tell her because at this point
48:21
she knows, we know things are always happening
48:23
around me. They've amped up physical stuff. Pianos
48:26
are playing in my house. Like, you know, you
48:28
name it, it's happening. Things being flipped
48:30
over, like stuff is always happening. And I told
48:35
my husband. and it tore me up for like a week
48:38
I was like I can't stop smelling her and I can't
48:41
stop feeling this and he was like okay and he
48:46
encouraged me to talk to her about it and I was
48:48
like so I did and I said mom I I'm really worried
48:52
and I don't want you to be worried but I I needed
48:56
my mom's love in that moment as a child like
48:59
little girl meat came out sorry So I told her,
49:04
I said, Mom, I'm smelling you. And it's along
49:08
with that same feeling that I felt with Dad.
49:11
And I'm just really worried about you. Can you
49:13
go to the doctor? And so then stuff started happening
49:16
and they found a spot on her tongue. She started
49:19
going to the doctor and it just really unfolded
49:21
really quickly and it ended up being her lungs
49:24
that took her. That really was such a moment.
49:30
When she passed, I was in the room with her,
49:34
and I remember I was with her when she passed,
49:38
staring into her eyes. She was staring into my
49:40
eyes and she couldn't breathe. And I was just
49:43
staring into her eyes, telling her I was the
49:46
last thing she saw. Whether or not that she wanted
49:48
that to be the case, it was. She was staring
49:50
at me. And I just kept telling her that it was
49:54
OK. It was OK, and everything was going to be
49:57
OK. she stared at me as she took her last breath
50:02
and she passed. And something that was so beautiful
50:08
in that moment is I could feel the power of her
50:12
love and I felt her still in the room. It just
50:17
so happened to be my birthday. She held on for
50:21
my birthday. At midnight she pointed to the clock
50:24
and I was just like, why is she pointing? What
50:27
is she doing? And then my husband was like, oh
50:31
my goodness, Nat, it's your birthday. And then
50:34
my mom, just a few minutes later, let go and
50:37
passed. And that was really a beautiful gift
50:38
she gave me as well. But in that moment, in that
50:42
time, I crawled into her lap. My husband's in
50:45
the room. And what's so cool about this is my
50:49
husband, who is not interested in mediumship.
50:53
He's interested in love, spirit, all of that.
50:57
But he's not interested in having communications
51:00
himself necessarily. The moment I crawled out
51:03
of my mom's lap right before I did, he said,
51:07
I just felt her leave. And I said, I did too.
51:12
And I knew it was time to go because I just,
51:14
there was just a moment where she was like, filled
51:18
that room with so much love. And even though
51:21
her physical body was gone for quite some time,
51:23
there was just this moment when we knew, oh,
51:26
She filled us with all of the love, and it's
51:28
okay to leave now. I mean, our loved ones are
51:31
always around us, so for her to have left, well,
51:34
that's not accurate. However, that moment of
51:37
needing her to fill the space so boldly and impact
51:41
like so densely, that moment no longer needed
51:45
to be there, and she lessened it, and we knew
51:47
we could leave. Yeah. So all of that, I feel
51:52
like I just really rambled and went on a side
51:54
path there, and I apologize, but it all just
51:57
unfolds and continues to get bigger, and Spirit
52:01
continues to work through me and shine through
52:05
my life in a way where others can experience
52:08
the love. Because I have shown, my husband, I
52:13
have shown, and he now experiences this beautiful
52:16
love in those moments. And I just, there's something
52:21
about others experiencing this and having their
52:24
hearts and minds open to it because anyone can
52:28
feel these things. Anyone can experience these
52:30
things. I just like to share them to let people
52:34
know that they're not alone ever. And it's such
52:39
a beautiful, wonderful thing. As sad as it can
52:42
be at times, there's so much beauty and so much
52:44
love that I feel honored. to experience every
52:49
moment that I do. Thank you so much for sharing
52:53
that Nat. I'm not even gonna try to analyze it
52:56
or say anything more because what you said there
52:58
was absolutely beautiful and perfect. I have
53:02
one more question though. One more question before
53:05
we bring this beautiful recording session to
53:07
a close. You are a mom of two children. You have
53:11
a life, you have a family and everything that
53:14
goes with that, I'm sure. How have you come to
53:18
live with and understand your abilities? I think
53:22
you sort of answered this question already, but
53:24
I'm confident for you, we get it. For you, this
53:28
has been completely normal from day one. This
53:30
has been almost your cornerstone. This is the
53:32
essence of Nat. But how about as a parent? As
53:37
a parent, how do you use your abilities or bring
53:40
it in to help you with your parenting? Yeah,
53:45
it's... One of the coolest things to bring into
53:49
my parenting and then see Grow through my children
53:53
both of my children have had experiences with
53:56
spirit as well I mean, of course they will everyone
54:00
does in my home you come into my home as a stranger
54:02
you leave a friend, you know you a curious friend
54:06
because spiritual stuff always happens all the
54:10
time, but with my children, both of them have
54:13
had experiences, and what I have loved is that
54:17
because I was raised with this fear instilled
54:23
from my father, as things happen with my children,
54:27
I instill curiosity, I instill play, I instill
54:32
love and wonder and... Seeing that unfold in
54:38
them and the experiences they have is just like,
54:41
it fills me with this like bubbly sparkle. My
54:46
oldest has seen spirit since I can remember and
54:52
she moves about the world as this bright little
54:58
loving light. Do you want to hear experiences
55:01
that they've had or? Yeah, I mean only if you
55:04
feel happy to share. I really don't want to feel
55:06
like I'm rinsing your family for all your stories.
55:12
Only if you want to. No, I don't want to take
55:15
all your time is what I'm thinking. No, not at
55:17
all. You carry on please, carry on. Great and
55:20
you can just cut whatever you know So my oldest
55:28
My husband and I started a business when she
55:31
was like three years old we were launching this
55:33
business and there are hundreds of people at
55:36
this event with these vaulted ceilings and this
55:41
is shortly after my husband's grandfather passed
55:45
so my daughter, we see her, we're mingling with
55:49
everyone, and we see her standing on the top
55:51
of these stairs in this very big open room, just
55:54
staring up at the rafters, waving. And so my
55:59
husband and I walk up to her and sit down and
56:01
we're like, hey, you know, what are you waving
56:03
to and talking? Like, what's going on? And she's
56:06
like, grandpa, grandpa's here. And my husband's
56:10
like, just cracked, you know, he's like. Trying
56:13
to hold back his tears because it's such a proud
56:15
moment for him You know his grandfather was so
56:18
proud of him that he showed up and he was just
56:21
There and needed his presence to be known and
56:24
with my daughter being so open He was speaking
56:27
through her to him and my husband knew without
56:29
asking without needing to say anything else We
56:32
know why grandpa is showing up and why our oldest
56:35
could see him and why he was saying hi to her
56:38
And she's had experiences like that her whole
56:42
life. And what's really, really cool about her
56:46
is she sees a lot. She never met my father. I
56:50
was pregnant with my oldest when he passed and
56:56
she sees him all the time. along with my husband's
57:01
grandfather. She says that they're always outside.
57:04
She'll look out her window and she'll see them
57:06
in our yard. And it just brings her all this
57:08
comfort. And I just think that's such a beautiful
57:10
thing. So one thing that I have had to work with
57:15
her because she's now a pre -teen and still has
57:18
experiences. Often now they happen at nighttime
57:22
and she... A cat will come and lay with her often.
57:27
She'll feel a cat lay in her bed, think it's
57:29
ours, and realize, oh no, my door is closed.
57:31
And she'll go to pet the cat, and there's no
57:33
cat there, but she can feel it needing and feel
57:35
it in the bed with her. And also loved ones will
57:38
visit her. They'll come up to her while she's
57:41
sleeping and wake her up, and they'll touch her.
57:44
And she doesn't like that. For her, she has asked,
57:48
she's like, Mom, I know that it... who it is,
57:52
and I know it's fine and good, but when I sleep
57:56
and I don't expect it, it just kind of scares
57:58
me. And so I've taught her how to have boundaries.
58:02
I'm like, listen, no one wants to scare you.
58:05
There's nothing scary, but if this is startling,
58:08
which then scares you, let's set some parameters.
58:11
Let's set some boundaries. So I've taught her
58:14
and they listen to her. She has asked them. Just
58:20
in her room, out loud, hey. This makes me scared.
58:24
I don't like you waking me up. Can you please
58:27
not do that anymore? Keep showing up, just not
58:30
that way. And so they've stopped showing up to
58:32
her in that way, which is, I think, just such
58:34
a beautiful thing. Amazing. What a wonderful
58:38
guy your husband sounds. I just want to give
58:41
him a massive big hug, which is absolutely fantastic.
58:44
And your parenting, too. I just love it. If more
58:47
people could raise their kid to be this loving
58:50
ball of light. I love that. For you and your
58:53
family, I just think, I love it. I think that's
58:55
really beautiful. Before we start this recording
59:00
that you share with me some videos and I put
59:02
them together in the form of a reel and you give
59:05
me your permission to share these on my Instagram.
59:07
So listeners, listen up. If you're interested
59:09
in seeing these videos that Nat has captured
59:13
of stuff going on in her house, intelligent responses
59:18
to phenomena, do go onto my Instagram and have
59:24
a look for those reels. Very quickly, Nat, would
59:28
you mind just explaining to the listeners what
59:30
these videos are and how did they come about?
59:34
As a developing medium myself, I love to play.
59:39
Like, play is what I'm all about. Let's just
59:42
see what can happen. Eileen Davies, I have heard,
59:47
says, don't limit the limitless. And I... I don't
59:51
want to limit anything. Let's just play. So first,
59:55
our electricity has been rewired and redone.
59:59
There's no issues with our electricity in our
1:00:02
in our old home. There is a certain lamp in my
1:00:06
living room that's brand new. Fine. We plug it
1:00:08
in like doesn't matter. Like it will flicker
1:00:11
when I feel a shift in the room, when I feel
1:00:14
communication needs to be had. They will speak
1:00:18
through this light in my living room. However,
1:00:22
what you will be sharing is not my living room
1:00:24
light. It's completely different. It is my bathroom
1:00:28
light. And so my loved ones like to communicate
1:00:31
through light. Typically it's this lamp. However,
1:00:34
this time it's my bathroom. I'm sitting in the
1:00:36
living room and they never have done this until
1:00:39
this moment of the video that you have. I'm sitting
1:00:43
in my living room with my husband and all of
1:00:46
a sudden it's like a strobe light just on off,
1:00:48
on off, on off. And my husband's like, Natalie,
1:00:53
who's here now? You know, this is new. I don't
1:00:58
know. I'm going to go find out. So I go into
1:01:02
the bathroom and I they start replying I like
1:01:06
to establish communication where let's make sure
1:01:09
this isn't a Faulty flickering light, you know,
1:01:14
let's turn it on for a yes and turn it off for
1:01:16
a no If I ask you to turn it on will you turn
1:01:19
it on if I ask you to turn it off? Can you turn
1:01:22
it off and let's start to develop a baseline
1:01:25
to make sure that this isn't something mundane.
1:01:29
So I establish that in the bathroom and then
1:01:32
I just ask questions. And as I ask the questions,
1:01:36
it's so cool because I can feel them in the room
1:01:40
with me. I feel the shift. I feel them. And I
1:01:43
have this knowing too, right, that comes in.
1:01:48
It's like I know when the lights gonna turn off
1:01:52
and I know what the reply is going to be and
1:01:55
they're communicating through this light blinking
1:01:58
on and off and It just validates the experience
1:02:03
that I'm having through my body. So I just think
1:02:05
it's so cool We don't need a light. We don't
1:02:08
need spirit lights, balls, REM pods, we don't
1:02:12
need that, but I think it's really cool to give
1:02:16
another opportunity for Spirit to speak to us
1:02:19
and also validate what we're feeling. Yeah, so
1:02:24
my mom showed up in the bathroom with me and
1:02:26
that was so cool and like the light will start
1:02:29
to flicker in a way and I can feel it's her laughter,
1:02:33
I feel it's her excitement, like I feel it. It
1:02:35
turns on and off and it sounds like a thank you
1:02:38
from her and so I say you're welcome back because
1:02:41
I just know that was thank you. I just, it was
1:02:45
such a cool experience. I'm looking forward to
1:02:47
sharing these with listeners. I really can't
1:02:49
wait to put them out there. So any listener who's
1:02:52
curious, not only to see what Nat's bathroom
1:02:55
looks like... Oh, it's dusty. It's dusty. It's
1:02:59
terrible. You and mine both. You and mine both.
1:03:02
No, but people are going to love this. Honestly,
1:03:05
people... I know people are going to love this
1:03:07
because when I have my Paranormal Investigation
1:03:09
episode come out in October, last October, people
1:03:13
loved it. So if you're into that, then do...
1:03:15
go over to my Instagram onto Reels and check
1:03:18
out the video that Nat has sent me, or the videos
1:03:20
that Nat has sent me. Nat, thank you so much
1:03:23
for today. It's been absolutely gorgeous. And
1:03:25
for lack of better words, gorgeous, wonderful.
1:03:28
It's just fantastic. Thank you so much. Where
1:03:31
can the listeners find you? You said you're a
1:03:33
developing medium. Are your books open for readings?
1:03:36
Yes, I would just love the opportunity to meet
1:03:41
with anyone who wants to help me continue my
1:03:44
development. I love giving Spirit the opportunity
1:03:48
to connect with you, the listener. So yes, I
1:03:54
have a website. My website is Needonet with a
1:03:57
G, like the bug. Brilliant. I will put all of
1:04:09
that information into the show notes. So if you're
1:04:12
listening and you didn't quite catch that, go
1:04:14
into the show notes of whatever podcast provider
1:04:16
you are listening to this on and it will all
1:04:19
be there for you. All that is left for me to
1:04:21
say is, Nat, thank you so much. This has been
1:04:24
really, really beautiful. Thank you so, so much.
1:04:27
Oh my goodness. Thank you, Matt. I so appreciate
1:04:30
you giving spirit the light and allowing me to
1:04:34
be one of the voices. Just thank you. I appreciate
1:04:37
you. It has been my absolute pleasure. Thank
1:04:40
you. The marvellous Nat Lockett, and I implore
1:04:48
you, if anyone is interested in having a reading
1:04:50
with Nat, you can find her out all the channels
1:04:52
that she mentioned at the end of her interview
1:04:54
there. If you didn't quite catch all, they are
1:04:57
in the show notes, so whatever podcast provider
1:04:59
you are listening to this on, have a look at
1:05:01
the notes on this episode and you will find Nat's
1:05:04
details there. Again, you'll also find on my
1:05:08
Instagram page, on the Reels section, the .psychic
1:05:12
.explorer, you will see the videos that Nat has
1:05:15
sent me of her communicating with the lights
1:05:17
and the REM pod. You will also see an additional
1:05:20
bonus video of a conversation that Nat and I
1:05:23
had separately about an experience that her husband
1:05:25
had. So please make sure that you go online and
1:05:28
you check that out. Just one more thing before
1:05:31
I love you and leave you lovely people. This
1:05:33
episode is focused quite heavily on grief so
1:05:36
I just wanted to give some support details in
1:05:38
case you are in that place where you need support
1:05:42
or help. If you're in the UK, you can go to cruze
1:05:45
.org .uk, that's C -R -U -S -E .org .uk. Their
1:05:52
telephone number is 0808 808 1677. I know I also
1:05:58
have a number of American listeners, so I wanted
1:06:01
to give some stuff for you guys too, but I couldn't
1:06:03
find one particular line. I think that might
1:06:06
have changed due to the current administration
1:06:08
maybe. got rid of. But if you are struggling,
1:06:11
please Google bereavement support in the USA.
1:06:14
There are plenty of options available. It just
1:06:17
tends to be quite specific on who you have lost
1:06:20
and what the situation and circumstance is. Right,
1:06:24
that is enough of me. Enjoy the rest of your
1:06:26
day, you lovely, lovely listener. And I will
1:06:29
see you on the next one. Take care, guys. Bye.