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Susie McCabe · Not Another Football Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with myself,
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Speaker 1: Simon Dnley and Jackie Muck Tomara, and we're delighted to
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Speaker 1: have another brilliant guest. Was in a cab how you
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Speaker 1: do comedian?
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you nineteen ninety six, sixteen year old
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Speaker 2: me would never believe that this was happening. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I never had a crush in any of you. I
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Speaker 2: think that's quite completely obvious, right, but I can't believe
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Speaker 2: it nineteen ninety six. I started going to the football
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Speaker 2: in nineteen nine, nineteen eight eight, and then seriously season
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Speaker 2: last season either won the game in the first twenty
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Speaker 2: or won it in the last minutes. Incredible and I
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Speaker 2: and then I had the early part of the nineties,
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Speaker 2: I actually had a signed picture of you in my room,
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Speaker 2: a wee picture of you and John Collins, and it
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Speaker 2: was from a guy called Eric Dawes who used to
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Speaker 2: coach at Celtic, and it goes through your two favorite
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Speaker 2: players that I went Simondley joined Collins and he got
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Speaker 2: me two same pictures. Eyes met never met, never ever
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Speaker 2: met up. And then I mean just lived through that
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Speaker 2: whole nineties. But then obviously that team I seen Jackie
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Speaker 2: play every position that he ever played, playing goalkeeper. You
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Speaker 2: know because you did, didn't you?
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Speaker 1: It was everything barble keeper?
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Speaker 2: You right back, right midfield? Did you play? You played center?
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Speaker 2: Mud because I remember thinking when we won the league
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Speaker 2: in ninety eight and our last World Cup, it was
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Speaker 2: a travesty that that midfield was broken up because it
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Speaker 2: was you, Burnley and Lambert and he broke it up
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Speaker 2: and he dropped you and put McAllister in that.
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Speaker 3: I mean that ninety eight was the only season that
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Speaker 3: I played. I wouldn't play the year that year. Never
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Speaker 3: played it again rightfield under we m I ten years
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Speaker 3: my whole career, never played that position again.
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Speaker 2: Is that right? Because I I remember it vividly because
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Speaker 2: you'd move you being a right back, didn't you? And
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Speaker 2: he moved you further up the pitch.
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Speaker 1: He didn't like.
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Speaker 3: He didn't like his fullbacks getting forward. So like I
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Speaker 3: lost my place after the second game, may it be
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Speaker 3: off and flaming home. First game I lost to Hibs,
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Speaker 3: I used to.
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Speaker 2: Points after two demanded to the sack.
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Speaker 1: Then you would would have been getting his head hunted
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Speaker 1: after again. But I wanted to see him.
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Speaker 3: He's like, I don't he didn't want his fullbacks and
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Speaker 3: that was my whole game. Everybody, So if you're not
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Speaker 3: doing it, everybody thinks you're holding back your energy and
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Speaker 3: then fortunately get an opportunity.
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Speaker 1: Was similar to your game.
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Speaker 3: F C. Trolla came on in the European game and
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Speaker 3: I started against Liverpool.
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Speaker 2: Right remember that that was. Remember what an absolute heartbreaker.
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Speaker 2: I remember. I used to sit behind the goals and
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Speaker 2: then I've aventually moved round to the north stand. But
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Speaker 2: I'll never forget just shouting just take the booking stops you.
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Speaker 2: And it was. It was Big Alan when I was fixed.
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Speaker 1: Big Martin at the half way line. And then as
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Speaker 1: it closes in, you're looking for anybody to get a bit.
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Speaker 1: I talk about that. See that night. But two to one,
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Speaker 1: we were pushing for three one and their move actually
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Speaker 1: starts was coming down on our right hand side and
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Speaker 1: it gets flashed across the box. Nobody's there and that's
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Speaker 1: when that starts to catch us in the counter. It's
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Speaker 1: all I finish. Its ultimately the goal that puts it.
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Speaker 2: If you're if you're going to get put it by
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Speaker 2: a goal, get put it because he he whipped his
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Speaker 2: I'll never forget it at the back of the neck
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Speaker 2: and just being like, how could we have played this well?
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Speaker 1: And then galvanized us that that kind of got us
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Speaker 1: because there was a lot there was about eight nine
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Speaker 1: new players, and that was the moment I thought, you
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Speaker 1: know what, but actually on something, here was no bad team.
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Speaker 1: That was a decent Liverpool.
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Speaker 2: It was a good Liverpool team. I and then and
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Speaker 2: then obviously that was the the New Year game went
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Speaker 2: at the Burley Lambert goals when picked them up, you
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Speaker 2: get that, I don't care how good you go them get.
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Speaker 1: Don't believe will save that night?
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Speaker 2: And all I did the first half we Harald.
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Speaker 1: Remember even before after you said two brilliant goals to but.
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Speaker 4: It kind of that's what you had to do as well,
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Speaker 4: because you look back now, I think if we had
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Speaker 4: to get the result, Rangers were moving, yeah in the
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Speaker 4: distance there a bit points wise, you had had to
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Speaker 4: win that game, yea.
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Speaker 2: And I wonder what the psychological damage would have been
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Speaker 2: if Rangers had won the ten, like we've lost a ten, right,
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Speaker 2: but we won a nine and then we won another
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Speaker 2: nine and in that thus quadruple trebles and all this
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I wonder what the psychological damage would
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Speaker 2: have been to the club if we hadn't stole. Because
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Speaker 2: watching the game the other day with the Hearts and
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Speaker 2: Rangers and looking at the Hearts fans, I was going
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Speaker 2: kind of reminds me that stop the ten season. But
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Speaker 2: all you could do was thinking about it was all encompassing,
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Speaker 2: like you could beat her. What they were like, I wonder,
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Speaker 2: I wonder who we're going to play this week, and
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I would. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I go up against him. And I remember they've done
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Speaker 2: Fermline game and I was working and I was working
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Speaker 2: in a pub at the time, and do you remember
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Speaker 2: say it was a Sunday game. Remember the kind of
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Speaker 2: sauce pots you used to get. It was on a
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Speaker 2: kind of handle and it was a faultner folcon Bridge,
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Speaker 2: falcon Bridge, Scottish heather.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: I was watching the teley and just loved it. And
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Speaker 2: it was a gay bar I worked, and so everybody's
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Speaker 2: that a lesbian. They were like that you're getting all
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Speaker 2: next weekend off. And I made it to the game.
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Speaker 1: Because if i'd want at that day was my goal,
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Speaker 1: that's right. So I would have been throwing sauce about it.
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Speaker 1: As well, but it was all of it because you
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Speaker 1: missed it, nyfing.
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Speaker 2: And that that game it's selty, but I remember George A.
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Speaker 2: Boyle hitting the bar after we I mean, they rattled
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Speaker 2: it in that game. And I try and describe this
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Speaker 2: and they go. There was like a moment when the
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Speaker 2: final whistle went, but it was silent because it was
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Speaker 2: all like we couldn't quite believe that we could let
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Speaker 2: go of that emotion that because that season was excruciating
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Speaker 2: but amazed, you know. So it was and I think
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Speaker 2: this season may or may well not go with that.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's going that way and it's got that feel
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Speaker 1: about it. Will when this comes out, I think the
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Speaker 1: title will be decided, so we can embarrass ourselves here,
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Speaker 1: but great predictions. At the moment, it's going that way, and.
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Speaker 2: It's that feeling of utter. The only thing I would
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Speaker 2: say about ninety seven was the whole club was together.
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Speaker 2: Everybody was moving is one. And I know that we're
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Speaker 2: kind of truce and everybody's kind of all in it together,
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Speaker 2: but it is get that feeling about it that you're going,
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Speaker 2: I mean, does Martin get a helicopter moment? You know
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Speaker 2: what I mean? The irony of that going full circle
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Speaker 2: for Martin from being that helicopter Sunday and you wave
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Speaker 2: a cup defeating all that to Martin coming back and
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Speaker 2: literally saving a season, saving a club, taking the heat
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Speaker 2: off the board for a bit and getting us to
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Speaker 2: a point where Calum is standing with that league trophy.
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Speaker 2: I mean that would be.
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Speaker 1: It would be his best achievement if if he gets it.
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Speaker 2: Out with wanning a European Cup or two European Cups as.
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Speaker 5: A player, and I think it would be I think,
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Speaker 5: I mean the run was amazing, it was.
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't swapped that even though you get nothing. You
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Speaker 2: wouldn't swapped that season from anything.
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Speaker 3: Do you to like Liverpool Black One? You were at
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Speaker 3: Black One.
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Speaker 1: Every Celtic Farmers in the Celtic d.
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Speaker 3: Itself was was special.
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Speaker 1: I mean it was.
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Speaker 2: It was maybe as well, like we need to remember
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Speaker 2: and this is a thing, this is a pure Celtic
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Speaker 2: moth thing right, but there is a bit where you
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Speaker 2: got yourself. That treble was the first treble since Jock Staying.
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Speaker 2: Now you try and explain that to twenty five up year. No,
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Speaker 2: this was this. My brother and his best mate who
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Speaker 2: used to go to the football used to work at
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Speaker 2: Celtic Park. That came up the road for that final
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Speaker 2: game that season and it was just like such. It
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Speaker 2: was like people came home because it was a treble.
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Speaker 2: It was it was Martin and it was the treble
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Speaker 2: and he I mean, honestly, for half a Glasgow they
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Speaker 2: would have carried him out and his shoulders because we
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Speaker 2: grew up watching those Orangers get a double treble. Never
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Speaker 2: done right, But it's that kind of thing where you
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Speaker 2: go is that that's how special that was. And now
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Speaker 2: you're going four trebles back to back and none of
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Speaker 2: them were one with Rangers not being in the league,
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Speaker 2: which I feel gives it more gravitas when you look
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Speaker 2: back there, you could argue that, I we should have
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Speaker 2: won more troubles, but all those troubles were running with
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Speaker 2: Rangers back in the top league. So you can't really
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Speaker 2: dismiss that, do you know what I mean? Because that's
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Speaker 2: a very easy They are hard to win.
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Speaker 3: It is hard to win it, especially if you're competing
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Speaker 3: in Europe as well. You know what the rest players
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Speaker 3: and you get a league cup game or a Scottish
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Speaker 3: Cup game and other players in the squad league games
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Speaker 3: because even in today's football, there's no reserves. So these
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Speaker 3: guys are coming back and they had a lot of injuries.
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Speaker 3: Where do they play?
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Speaker 2: They take a couple of bound schemes.
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Speaker 3: Again, a bound scheme, Disney, prepare you to go onto
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Speaker 3: a high pressure game. You're leaving the kids. Do you
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Speaker 3: see it last year and the Champions League? Young kid
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Speaker 3: comes on. I think it's caught, who's maybe had a
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Speaker 3: four or five i Ason Villa from Dan Murdy, but
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Speaker 3: he's never been prepared for that level.
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Speaker 2: And actually think that's a really good point because when
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Speaker 2: you look at Dane Murdy right, who I think was
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Speaker 2: quite unfortunate because all the games he was pitched in
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Speaker 2: he have been massive, and it's like this boy is
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Speaker 2: not actually getting a chance to make a mistake with
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Speaker 2: a consequence like it's all right to make a mistake,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I remember was it Ross
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Speaker 2: Wallace in a europe game. He was having that like
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Speaker 2: did they matter what he'd done, and Bob, there's no
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Speaker 2: lawful be got and whatever and something cut across the
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Speaker 2: park and put his arm around them and like clearly
11:09
Speaker 2: had a word in easy and it was obviously like
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Speaker 2: it just do it, just stop it, just to the basic.
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Speaker 2: And after that conversational the first ten twelve minutes he
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Speaker 2: camed down and you go, that's young boys are allowed
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Speaker 2: to make a mistake. You know, they're they're just out
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Speaker 2: there trying to learn the game.
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Speaker 1: It was probably a settled Celtics side at the time.
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Speaker 1: Is well successful for this year that's been all over
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Speaker 1: the place at times, the four managers. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: difficult for the likes of young Laves to come in there.
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Speaker 1: As you say, any mistake is magnified and it will
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Speaker 1: be for the next four games. That's they'll make them
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Speaker 1: better for it.
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Speaker 3: Though, and Donovan as well, or they I had experience
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Speaker 3: experienced that pressure.
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Speaker 2: We I thought we don't have been done all right.
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Speaker 2: You know again, I think that's the kind of thing
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Speaker 2: that Martin brings, where he was say, now, listen, this
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Speaker 2: is all you have to do. This is you when
12:04
Speaker 2: when the ball's here, you make sure you're there. And
12:06
Speaker 2: when it's there, you make sure you're there. And that's
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Speaker 2: that's all I care about. And that's all that Lad
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Speaker 2: needs to think about, because he's got fans shouting it,
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Speaker 2: and he's got other players shouting at and he's he's
12:17
Speaker 2: maybe made a bit of a rash challenge. And the
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Speaker 2: ref I mean, Scottish referees never looked to me like
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Speaker 2: they're reasonable guys on a football pitch. They're like kids,
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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Whereas I just like
12:28
Speaker 2: whereas sometimes you look at European refs and such like
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Speaker 2: and they're like, right, I appreciate your a young player.
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Speaker 2: Give went in there headstrong. If you do it again,
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Speaker 2: you're in the book. But just relax. Whereas you just
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Speaker 2: see John beating and I'll giving that, do you know
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Speaker 2: what I mean? Imagine like Douglas Ross, you just feel
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Speaker 2: like that, Yeah, yeah, total, do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 2: You just get ripped right, And even we dis like that.
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Speaker 1: Too quick for him? He is too quick forever it
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Speaker 1: was too quick for him at easter Road at the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Douglas Ross's positioning, That's.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying. He's too.
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Speaker 2: This might be too fat, That's what it might be.
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Speaker 2: I think Douglas is too fat to get back.
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Speaker 3: Then you could have a and he would swear back
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Speaker 3: at Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Did you just play in the shame game? Stephan? Mahey
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Speaker 2: the coin?
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Speaker 1: No, you were injured when I was on the bench,
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Speaker 1: the one where on the bench that was my last
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Speaker 1: game against Renders. What are you going on? It was crazy.
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Speaker 1: I was telling my boys about it recently, actually, because
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Speaker 1: the penalty gets given right after the incident.
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Speaker 2: Do you know the thing as well? That night walking
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Speaker 2: up to the stadium, it was a summer's night and
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Speaker 2: it was a Scotch and red sky and it just
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Speaker 2: felt very volatile because it had been really warm that day.
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Speaker 2: The sun was I think it was it was a
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Speaker 2: six o'clock kickoff, it was something like that and five o'clock,
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Speaker 2: and because it was it was early evening and a
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Speaker 2: summer so everybody's been in tank top. And then they
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Speaker 2: go again the I can't believe somebody through something. That
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Speaker 2: referee really.
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Speaker 1: Guy, it was the guy that night It fell off
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Speaker 1: and away but still singing.
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Speaker 2: Somebody though, didn't they but nobody was seriously injured, but
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Speaker 2: they know everybody was kind of all right, but.
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Speaker 1: She was talking here about hitting somebody throwing the sauce
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Speaker 1: on that. Where did you, comedian, were doing your accommodate
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Speaker 1: at that point?
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Speaker 2: No, noo, so Adam et Maz and she was away
14:45
Speaker 2: traveling the world know that, And we used to work
14:47
Speaker 2: together and they she came back and she'd been diagnosed
14:53
Speaker 2: with stage four terminal cancer, right a varying. So me
14:57
Speaker 2: and my mate Paul had went up to see her
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Speaker 2: and a couple of weeks later sitting and a sadiny
15:02
Speaker 2: was like three in the morning, and it makes you
15:04
Speaker 2: kind of think you should scare yourselfie. So this is
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Speaker 2: twenty ten, right, and I'm like that should they be
15:10
Speaker 2: jumping out a plane? And then we were speaking about
15:12
Speaker 2: how do you remember from like nineteen ninety seventy twenty
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Speaker 2: ten the world, I mean, there was an Iraq War
15:18
Speaker 2: and all that, but the economies that people just went
15:21
Speaker 2: about their business and it was fine and the world
15:25
Speaker 2: seemed quite ordinary, right, We just went about our business
15:30
Speaker 2: and compared to growing up in the nineteen eighties and nineties,
15:33
Speaker 2: which was quite volatile, like politically and a lot of
15:37
Speaker 2: industrial action stuff were going. I I call miners Ravens Craig,
15:42
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, all of that or that
15:43
Speaker 2: kind of under that kind of Thatcherism and even it's
15:47
Speaker 2: quite boring new life, and I mean we're pretty sauted.
15:49
Speaker 2: And I said, as we should do something, you went, oh,
15:53
Speaker 2: you can do this stand up comedy costs. It was
15:56
Speaker 2: that because you're going to learn how to write and
16:00
Speaker 2: then you do a five minute gig at the in there, right, okay.
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Speaker 2: So we went away and the next morning he said,
16:07
Speaker 2: do you remember what you'd agreed to sign up? Tore?
16:09
Speaker 2: And I was like, sign the check because you have
16:12
Speaker 2: not loose a bet. Do you know what I mean?
16:13
Speaker 2: You know what it's like, right, you both signed up
16:17
Speaker 2: for both signed up for it, right the ties So
16:19
Speaker 2: if he co was hinted the course on the first
16:20
Speaker 2: night and it was like the strad Clyde Center, a
16:23
Speaker 2: Lifelong Learning. It was so funny. So the teacher is
16:28
Speaker 2: a woman called Viv g Viv Graham, and she was
16:31
Speaker 2: going in the room and we make sure wanted to
16:32
Speaker 2: stand up comedy and on that right, and people, oh yeah,
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Speaker 2: my amateur dramatic small's the funny one. Another funny you
16:38
Speaker 2: know that kind of person, right, And it comes to Paul.
16:41
Speaker 2: Paul goes, I've wanted to do this course for about
16:44
Speaker 2: five years and I'm like that, what are you John?
16:48
Speaker 2: And he's like, I know, I've kind of never told
16:49
Speaker 2: you that, right, And I was like, no way. She
16:53
Speaker 2: mean what brings you here? And I was like, well,
16:56
Speaker 2: I'm high there if you ever done it. So they've
17:00
Speaker 2: all done like singing and amateur dramatics for that, I'm like,
17:04
Speaker 2: never stood on a stage. She's like, what I said,
17:07
Speaker 2: never spoken in a microphone? She like, must have done
17:10
Speaker 2: like the Nativity at school. And I was like She's like, right, okay,
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Speaker 2: the bother. And then we've done the course and it
17:17
Speaker 2: was like teaching you things to look at things in
17:19
Speaker 2: the papers and all that and how you would extract
17:21
Speaker 2: stuff and you kind of find it what kind of
17:24
Speaker 2: comedy you really like? And it was great. It was
17:27
Speaker 2: dead interesting. But she says, you need to be funny.
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Speaker 2: I can't even make you funny. It's up to you.
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Speaker 2: You kind of learn the kind of scaffolding of it
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Speaker 2: if you like, and then put it together. And then
17:39
Speaker 2: I've done the gig, and I swear to god, it
17:41
Speaker 2: was like see the moment, I still still not so
17:46
Speaker 2: much like a gig just because but I love the
17:50
Speaker 2: butterflies and you go out and I went up and
17:53
Speaker 2: I've done it, and I was like, oh my god,
17:55
Speaker 2: this is the best thing I've ever done in my
17:58
Speaker 2: entire life. Like you know, like it's probably a kin't
18:01
Speaker 2: like you scoring your first go do you know, especially
18:05
Speaker 2: if it's Celtic, do you know what I mean? And
18:07
Speaker 2: it's like that thire going, this is what I was
18:10
Speaker 2: just meant to do. And you know when people go, oh,
18:13
Speaker 2: you never work a day in your life and all that,
18:15
Speaker 2: well that's how I felt. So I just stuck at
18:18
Speaker 2: it and I kept getting gigs and for eight and
18:20
Speaker 2: a half years, I try to build up my reputation
18:24
Speaker 2: and stuff. And then I got to a point where
18:26
Speaker 2: I thought, right, I need to take the jump to
18:27
Speaker 2: go full time. And I had a good job. I
18:30
Speaker 2: was an electrical estimator, so I would price buildings like
18:33
Speaker 2: this for all the electrical work and stuff in it.
18:36
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I'm going to I'm going
18:38
Speaker 2: to jack this in. I'm going to go full time.
18:40
Speaker 2: It's like the best thing I've ever done. I just
18:42
Speaker 2: love it. It's just the best job in the world.
18:45
Speaker 2: Paul still a lawyer. He's still a lawyer. And you know,
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Speaker 2: I think he was really good. He was brilliant, but
18:51
Speaker 2: he didn't really that effort that you need to put
18:54
Speaker 2: in when you first start is so intense and you
18:58
Speaker 2: get very little rewall that you just need to keep going.
19:02
Speaker 2: And I think he was just like, I don't have
19:04
Speaker 2: the time for that, because this is the job that
19:06
Speaker 2: I do, Whereas I was like, your passion one hundred percent,
19:10
Speaker 2: and then you have then had to subsequently go, this
19:12
Speaker 2: is now my job. And that's a great position to
19:14
Speaker 2: bear intity love something so much it's your job. You
19:18
Speaker 2: probably get that, like I do, you know, I mean,
19:21
Speaker 2: or even just being in the around football obviously now
19:23
Speaker 2: that you've retired, just still in and around it and
19:26
Speaker 2: you still get to enjoy it and just sitting talking
19:28
Speaker 2: about football stuffing. He's just sitting talking about comedy comedians.
19:33
Speaker 1: You're writing, so see you're going to do a dig?
19:36
Speaker 1: Is everything strategically written? You can you go off in tangents,
19:40
Speaker 1: Oh you've got I.
19:45
Speaker 2: Drop kick them in the face. No. I'm very much
19:48
Speaker 2: of the opinion of like you have a set, you
19:51
Speaker 2: maybe move your set about. You might want to try
19:53
Speaker 2: out some new stuff that you've written. Right, you might
19:56
Speaker 2: want to try that in the middle of a set.
19:58
Speaker 2: You know, if you're out, when is there a Thursday night,
20:01
Speaker 2: you're probably going to have to try that. But but
20:04
Speaker 2: I like to be quite loose so that you can
20:09
Speaker 2: just Dey'll be what's going on in the room, Maybe
20:12
Speaker 2: do a callback like in your joke referring in one
20:14
Speaker 2: of the other comedians sets on that kind of stuff.
20:18
Speaker 2: And then if you if you're doing a solo show,
20:21
Speaker 2: you'll have your show and you'll have your structure and
20:23
Speaker 2: you'll know that you're what you're talking about with your
20:25
Speaker 2: jokes and everyth and now. But you want you to
20:27
Speaker 2: know it's so well that again that you're so loose
20:30
Speaker 2: in the room, because you'll never get the same audience
20:33
Speaker 2: in the same room ever again, you know what I mean.
20:35
Speaker 2: So you need to you need to be able to
20:39
Speaker 2: make it special for that thing. So like the fringe,
20:42
Speaker 2: you go to the fringe, you do whatever you've got
20:43
Speaker 2: your other show, But there are certain things that could
20:46
Speaker 2: happen lake comers, do you know what I mean? Just
20:49
Speaker 2: like a Lake coming, I'll go did you got a
20:52
Speaker 2: George Street? And they'll go yeah, I'll say that's George
20:54
Speaker 2: Streek be two squares in the end of it that
20:56
Speaker 2: none of them are called George Square because that's a
20:59
Speaker 2: town planner for do you know what I mean? And
21:01
Speaker 2: going no becaus jehge Square's other part of the town
21:03
Speaker 2: and kind of have a laugh with them. Don't so
21:06
Speaker 2: much pick on them, but have a laugh with them.
21:08
Speaker 2: So you need to just kind of I think you
21:11
Speaker 2: need to be quite relaxed.
21:13
Speaker 1: It comes to experience as well from.
21:15
Speaker 2: And the more material you build up, it's a big toolbox,
21:19
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. They're certain tools that if
21:21
Speaker 2: you're in a building site, you might not use for
21:22
Speaker 2: two years, but one day I am using that day.
21:26
Speaker 2: So it's just sometimes you'll you'll throw it.
21:29
Speaker 1: Where's the best kind of places? Are the favorite places
21:32
Speaker 1: to play? In the fringe? Something with the big kind
21:35
Speaker 1: of festival you do? Festivals? Is it more?
21:38
Speaker 2: I Every year I do the Glasgow Comedy Festival and
21:42
Speaker 2: I'll do three shows over two gigs, over two nights.
21:44
Speaker 2: I'll do a Friday, a Saturday time, a Saturday night
21:49
Speaker 2: and that's always kind of wear a debut and new show,
21:52
Speaker 2: which is quite a bold move, but I enjoy it
21:55
Speaker 2: because it's the Kings and then the Fringe. I'll take
21:59
Speaker 2: that show to the fringe. That show get cut down
22:01
Speaker 2: to an hour and I'll go to Edinburgh. And I'm
22:04
Speaker 2: really lucky. I get to play a five hundred seater
22:06
Speaker 2: in Edinburgh, so you only you go at the fringe
22:08
Speaker 2: and it's like a broom, couple. This is a nice
22:12
Speaker 2: air conditioned, comfortable room, do you know what I mean?
22:15
Speaker 2: And it's a bit like playing a provincial theater. But
22:17
Speaker 2: then now I'm on tour just now, so you're getting
22:20
Speaker 2: to play beautiful rooms like Eden Court, Na Tivoly, the Alham, Brandon, Femlin.
22:27
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful room, you know. So you get to
22:30
Speaker 2: you get to really go and enjoy the rooms per
22:34
Speaker 2: theater or stuff like that, and then you can really
22:37
Speaker 2: go into it then because that's an audience. It's key
22:40
Speaker 2: to see you and you can have a really good
22:43
Speaker 2: time whetting a good but of fun with it and
22:46
Speaker 2: it's lovely, do you know what I mean. It's you're
22:47
Speaker 2: just so privileged, do you know what I mean? It's
22:49
Speaker 2: not you're in such a privileged position to get to
22:52
Speaker 2: do this as a job. It's ridiculous, you know, what
22:54
Speaker 2: I mean, But I just.
22:55
Speaker 3: Love it a long time, and we've got the pubs
23:00
Speaker 3: in the fringe. The stand up comedians were brilliant in
23:03
Speaker 3: one year and I tried to get Jimmy Carr tickets
23:09
Speaker 3: the fringe so I couldn't get them, but Jim Bowing,
23:14
Speaker 3: Jim Boone Francis, I remember I used to do. I
23:18
Speaker 3: used to do stand up or I used to do
23:20
Speaker 3: like Opportunity in Oxford it was Bills, Bills was Bulls.
23:25
Speaker 3: So I had got the six tickets and they were
23:28
Speaker 3: they working through for Glasgow because I will stayed in Edinburgh.
23:31
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I've got Jim Boone, He'll be
23:32
Speaker 3: good funny and I've seen them in Phoenix nights. So
23:36
Speaker 3: We're in the conference center and was sitting down at
23:38
Speaker 3: the back or his seats there and I never told
23:42
Speaker 3: a fucking joke. He talked about was Billseye, about the
23:46
Speaker 3: caravan and this Bully Special prize and they're all, hammer me,
23:50
Speaker 3: you told me, I just gonna be funny.
23:53
Speaker 1: You know the funniest part of the night. It was
23:55
Speaker 1: a wee guy at the front row. He just kept
23:58
Speaker 1: going in.
24:03
Speaker 3: The first time Jim is that, yeah, well don't mean
24:05
Speaker 3: he was I don't know. We can see his head
24:09
Speaker 3: going on that too. It was the funniest part of
24:13
Speaker 3: the whole night. I was that I'd apologized for the
24:17
Speaker 3: first experiences.
24:19
Speaker 1: First and last, I've been back in person. So we
24:24
Speaker 1: did an episode with the boy Scott Kyle Brilliant and
24:28
Speaker 1: we're in it. So I was at the Friends last year.
24:30
Speaker 1: That was my second experience, right, But as you're talking about,
24:34
Speaker 1: we were at the conference center, yep. So we did
24:37
Speaker 1: the pavilion.
24:41
Speaker 2: The pavilion I suppose to.
24:42
Speaker 1: The conference center's a lovely place as well, but the
24:45
Speaker 1: audience is right there, right there in front of you.
24:48
Speaker 1: It's quite dawning.
24:49
Speaker 2: So I don't think the Ralph Little and Will Meller
24:54
Speaker 2: and it was called the Will and Ralph should know better,
24:58
Speaker 2: so they can. They don't really dare each other. They
25:00
Speaker 2: come up the ideas of things to do, and they'd
25:03
Speaker 2: always wanted to do stand up. So I get the
25:05
Speaker 2: phone call to say, could you come and meet them,
25:07
Speaker 2: have a wee meeting with them and then they'll go
25:09
Speaker 2: away do their other stuff. So they were doing like
25:11
Speaker 2: trapeze work and all that, and Paisley. Then the next
25:16
Speaker 2: day we're going to come and film them. So I
25:18
Speaker 2: was like, right, okay. So it was in the Glasgow stand,
25:21
Speaker 2: so I had WoT down had a meeting with them
25:23
Speaker 2: and the Argon and Great Western Road O Byers Roads
25:28
Speaker 2: and they'd be chat with them and I was like, right,
25:31
Speaker 2: this and that blah blah blah, right okay. So they went, oyess,
25:34
Speaker 2: write your stuff, there's my number if you need it
25:36
Speaker 2: and drop me a text. Blah blah blah. Right, okay,
25:38
Speaker 2: we'll go into the stand. So they weren't allowed to
25:40
Speaker 2: see each other sets right, so that was fine. So
25:45
Speaker 2: they told them we're in the club and we I
25:47
Speaker 2: was like, and where are the audience where you're standing?
25:52
Speaker 2: And then it's like, oh shit, and I went on,
25:55
Speaker 2: they're there round here and I went the tables will
25:58
Speaker 2: be bodied up, pick it and he was like, are
26:00
Speaker 2: you joking. I'm just the audience has been there because
26:03
Speaker 2: he's obviously just to their camera or it is a
26:07
Speaker 2: bit of thunder back, and I was like, when you're
26:09
Speaker 2: in a club. But I had to came down and
26:11
Speaker 2: kind of be like, but see when you hear this laugh,
26:14
Speaker 2: it will just right off the ceiling and right back.
26:18
Speaker 2: And he was like really, And I went I. He
26:20
Speaker 2: was like, right, right, right. So there was a couple
26:23
Speaker 2: of jokes and I went, oh, I would change that.
26:25
Speaker 2: You need to punch that up as supposed to punching
26:27
Speaker 2: down that kind of thing. It's like, right, okay, And
26:31
Speaker 2: he came back and Ralph set with so much that
26:35
Speaker 2: it was so darker. Will Will kind of brought up
26:38
Speaker 2: a thing where he went when I grew up very blindly,
26:41
Speaker 2: what happened is that were naked attraction.
26:46
Speaker 6: It's a great point, and it's like, how did we
26:49
Speaker 6: go from here's here's my balls.
26:56
Speaker 1: Before your face?
27:02
Speaker 2: Just standing what a really good observe. And he was
27:07
Speaker 2: just kind of talking about that and getting old and
27:09
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, and then Wills was really like dark.
27:14
Speaker 2: It was really dark, right, but it was funny, but
27:16
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, And I had said he'd done like jokes,
27:21
Speaker 2: and I went, I dropped them because I don't think that's.
27:23
Speaker 1: It's not.
27:26
Speaker 2: It's not tangible enough historically for the audience to get
27:29
Speaker 2: it right. And he was like, right, okay, and I went,
27:32
Speaker 2: you don't have to, I'm just gidding you advice. So
27:33
Speaker 2: the bit I had said drop done it died in
27:36
Speaker 2: its whole right, died just drop it. He'd never done it,
27:39
Speaker 2: he'd done it, and then he done this other bit
27:42
Speaker 2: and he talks about his sister died and he'd done
27:44
Speaker 2: an amazing punch line at the end, right, and it
27:47
Speaker 2: raised the roof and it was brilliant. And honestly, those
27:50
Speaker 2: two guys were this is guys that've been in TV
27:54
Speaker 2: since that, you know what, being done theater all that, right,
27:57
Speaker 2: like proper Shakespeare and stuff. They were like kids and
28:02
Speaker 2: Christmas moment they were flying high and I was like,
28:06
Speaker 2: that's that's the beauty stand up. That's the beauty of
28:09
Speaker 2: live entertainment in your audience being there, because it really
28:12
Speaker 2: is magical, do you know what I mean? It really is.
28:15
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing. And it's when you have that
28:18
Speaker 2: kind of connection, it's just great fun, just great fun.
28:22
Speaker 2: So you should always enjoy it.
28:23
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not putting ourselves to comedy. I've
28:26
Speaker 1: committed to the London Marathon on the show what was
28:29
Speaker 1: the ice hockey or something? I don't think comedies.
28:34
Speaker 2: Ice hockey my big thing.
28:37
Speaker 1: I love I like watching it watching it stand up.
28:41
Speaker 2: Over the years, he's your favorite stand ups.
28:44
Speaker 3: The old ones obviously, Billy Connley, all the old stuff,
28:48
Speaker 3: you know, the one with the audience with the or
28:50
Speaker 3: the celebrities an audience.
28:52
Speaker 2: I I I that was just so funny. Man. You
28:56
Speaker 2: know that comes on the TV about once every sixth
28:59
Speaker 2: week late at night, and I will still watch that
29:02
Speaker 2: tears from Dinner Face. Do you know the thing with
29:10
Speaker 2: Conley as well, all these stuff still stands. It's not sexist,
29:14
Speaker 2: the racist stuff talking about hitting the wife and all
29:17
Speaker 2: that stuff that he could have done because it was
29:19
Speaker 2: that generation. But he knew he was just a big,
29:23
Speaker 2: silly looking clown and he really played into that. And
29:27
Speaker 2: I often wonder if Billy Conley done in continence pants?
29:30
Speaker 2: Now people be up, well, that's not actually how in
29:32
Speaker 2: continence pants? I don't think the truth A fixtion was
29:37
Speaker 2: in the Galley gate. Oh the galley This is not
29:44
Speaker 2: believable because the Bible is do you know what I mean?
29:47
Speaker 2: It's like that kind of thing, isn't it when you're going,
29:51
Speaker 2: oh you know, but eyes.
29:53
Speaker 3: Have you found a big difference when you started to
29:55
Speaker 3: know what you can and what's right.
29:58
Speaker 2: I mean I never say anything that was of a
30:02
Speaker 2: controversial though it was funny in the new show I
30:06
Speaker 2: had done twenty minutes right in organizing my dad's funeral,
30:11
Speaker 2: because a funeral is a thing that everybody goes through, right,
30:16
Speaker 2: but there's a certain element of like a Catholic funeral
30:20
Speaker 2: that my nuche involved in the Catholic funeral, right, and
30:24
Speaker 2: me going to see the priest, and the priest kind
30:26
Speaker 2: of going your hands are no bad and I'm like,
30:28
Speaker 2: they're bang else And he's like, oh, we don't know
30:31
Speaker 2: about that one. And I'm like, I think you'll find
30:33
Speaker 2: even the ranger supports will be crying at this father writing.
30:36
Speaker 2: And that the kind of my nuiche of it and
30:39
Speaker 2: the and all the stuff that goes on in the
30:41
Speaker 2: carrying of the coffin and everything, right, and it was
30:44
Speaker 2: there about my dad dying. It was just the observations
30:48
Speaker 2: of a funeral, right, and it's something that everybody goes
30:51
Speaker 2: through and blah blah blah, and I'd done this, and
30:53
Speaker 2: I kind of slid the priest off for just being
30:56
Speaker 2: so blunt, because for us it's one of the worst
30:59
Speaker 2: things we can but for him it's just every day life, right,
31:03
Speaker 2: And the kind of bluntness of the priests really funny,
31:08
Speaker 2: and my kind of resistance to him so I've done
31:10
Speaker 2: twenty minutes in this and this guy bood because I
31:15
Speaker 2: said the world Celtic, right, I've just slated the Catholic
31:20
Speaker 2: Church for twenty minutes, and you bud that we'd put
31:23
Speaker 2: on your Spider Man mask, peel peel peel, right, And
31:26
Speaker 2: I've done this and the Kings and it was just
31:28
Speaker 2: off the cuff. Do you know that guy? Get out
31:30
Speaker 2: and left, and you're like, you can shout out, then
31:34
Speaker 2: get something back and go that's that. I'm away. Oh
31:38
Speaker 2: and you should have came to see a Fenian lesbian, right,
31:40
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? You're like me? And
31:43
Speaker 2: I never even said anything controversial. I just bound I've
31:48
Speaker 2: done twenty minutes. Then it was like he was so
31:51
Speaker 2: disgusted that I'd even said the name. It It was again,
31:55
Speaker 2: it was another joke about my dad. It was about
31:58
Speaker 2: I basically said, my dad's very much like asko Catholic
32:00
Speaker 2: fish up on a Friday, calling the referee a Mason
32:04
Speaker 2: the Saturday lie in a Sunday. Do you know what
32:06
Speaker 2: I mean? That's just a sociological observation about Glasgow. And
32:13
Speaker 2: and it gets booed and you're calm down, man, Do
32:17
Speaker 2: you know what I mean like relax. So there is
32:20
Speaker 2: an element of people need and I don't mean people
32:27
Speaker 2: should let things go. You shouldn't let racism go and
32:29
Speaker 2: sexism going, all those things, but just they get upset.
32:34
Speaker 2: It's like that, you know, I don't think that's how
32:36
Speaker 2: in continence pants work a billy you can almost heal
32:39
Speaker 2: them in your head. It's like I don't know a
32:41
Speaker 2: pint about a half pint sketch in Scotland, and seeing
32:45
Speaker 2: when you're other half pint in Scotland you get offered
32:47
Speaker 2: the color and booking crayons. It's just funny, right, it's
32:55
Speaker 2: just a daft I think you'll find a half pints
32:58
Speaker 2: are perfectly acceptable drink at mind. Father used to drink
33:01
Speaker 2: a half and a hoof in your life. It's a
33:04
Speaker 2: fucking joke. Just it's totally do you know what I mean?
33:10
Speaker 2: And you go shot. It's just always old guys just moaning,
33:14
Speaker 2: not old pensioner guys just wanting our Karens, you know
33:18
Speaker 2: the Karens. Well, actually I think this promotes alcoholic drinking
33:22
Speaker 2: their wine. You know, I mean a big straw, so
33:27
Speaker 2: I crack.
33:29
Speaker 1: It takes all sorts seeing your comedy then so the
33:33
Speaker 1: festivals and stuff. So we like to talk about a
33:35
Speaker 1: bit of music on this is that tied in a
33:40
Speaker 1: do you know? It's the likes a transmit obviously around
33:43
Speaker 1: the corner different festivals. Is a little comedy tense done
33:48
Speaker 1: that before.
33:48
Speaker 2: People used to do rock nests. I never done it
33:51
Speaker 2: because it fell around about the fringe. There was the
33:54
Speaker 2: odd one at Tee in the Park is Tee in
33:56
Speaker 2: the Park was slowly dying and then you had the
34:00
Speaker 2: There was a comedy tended transmit last year which was
34:02
Speaker 2: lovely but a fun and it was kind of lunch timey.
34:05
Speaker 2: And the thing we transmit is it's not as intense
34:08
Speaker 2: to stee in the Park is because everyone be afraid
34:11
Speaker 2: at lunchtime at Tea in the Park was gobbed. So
34:14
Speaker 2: it was people who are still eating a roll or
34:16
Speaker 2: eating a hot dog and coming in with their pint
34:18
Speaker 2: and having a wee chunckol and then going about and
34:20
Speaker 2: doing their thing, and it's i mean, their music.
34:25
Speaker 1: Big time in the side of the comedy.
34:27
Speaker 2: What they so my right, I've got an older brother
34:32
Speaker 2: eight years older than me, so I grew up at
34:36
Speaker 2: a time when it was like Jaran Jurann and Spandu
34:39
Speaker 2: Ballely and he literally went and like just put me
34:42
Speaker 2: through a wee chi cane and gave me you to
34:46
Speaker 2: the Smith's the House Martins, simple minds to a degree,
34:51
Speaker 2: Jesus and Mary Chain, the Stone, the Rosies, like this
34:54
Speaker 2: could literally be his bedroom, right, I all of that really,
34:59
Speaker 2: So he was born and seventy two, so two eighty three,
35:02
Speaker 2: he's ten eleven years old. He's really finding his musical taste.
35:06
Speaker 2: So you're looking at like you two wore under a
35:10
Speaker 2: bloodred sky, all of that, and I was obviously this
35:13
Speaker 2: was kind of just always in the house. This was
35:17
Speaker 2: just always the music. My dad worked to be from home,
35:20
Speaker 2: so Mark was eight years older than me and my
35:21
Speaker 2: mom kind of listened to like Motown and stuff like that,
35:24
Speaker 2: but he also listened to like the Specials in SKA,
35:28
Speaker 2: which is quite funny because he never really get into
35:31
Speaker 2: Motown until he was later, but he kind of went
35:35
Speaker 2: in at his generation and worked his way back as
35:38
Speaker 2: opposed to get in the house. The influence for the house,
35:41
Speaker 2: and then that kind of led me down a path
35:44
Speaker 2: of the Stone, Rosie's, the Happy Monday's James, which then
35:48
Speaker 2: takes inty Brick Pop did and then that whole explosion
35:53
Speaker 2: of that and it was almost like that was all
35:55
Speaker 2: just gearing up to get there. But I think, I mean,
36:00
Speaker 2: I would probably take at Kung Babies maybe my cut
36:04
Speaker 2: off their album, brilliant album. I mean, so it's the
36:07
Speaker 2: Joshua Tree. So it's rattling hum which is almost overlooked
36:11
Speaker 2: because they brought rattling hums about their journey through America
36:16
Speaker 2: after making a wild making the Joshua Tree, you know,
36:19
Speaker 2: and you go, what I mean, it's great and act
36:22
Speaker 2: Hung Baby's brilliant, I mean, zoopa, but Stone Roses last.
36:29
Speaker 1: Just when you're saying that, I'm just remembering my influencing
36:32
Speaker 1: music was from a mate's older brother and it was
36:36
Speaker 1: just stuff that was put on too. You remember Stone Roses.
36:39
Speaker 1: At the first time I thought Guns and Roses, I'm like,
36:41
Speaker 1: I'm not really in but it was a Stone Roses
36:44
Speaker 1: and they're my favorite band.
36:45
Speaker 2: But.
36:47
Speaker 1: From an older a MAT's older brother. So it's similar
36:50
Speaker 1: to that how things.
36:52
Speaker 2: Just stick with you. And it was that kind of
36:54
Speaker 2: Jackson Pollock like it really like it was really bright
36:58
Speaker 2: and it was colorful, and you know the majority of
37:01
Speaker 2: these was not bright and colorful. With that type of music.
37:04
Speaker 2: It was quite grim and I think, I mean, I
37:09
Speaker 2: still say, like, if you go wish her top three albums,
37:11
Speaker 2: I'm like the Stone Rosy Stone Noses definitely maybe, and
37:15
Speaker 2: then my third will just rotation. I like, I was
37:21
Speaker 2: going to an oasis called something. My girlfriend was on
37:23
Speaker 2: the phoneyir palishment. Oh no, no, I'm not going to
37:25
Speaker 2: the concert sous. He's going to a powerful school. You
37:27
Speaker 2: know me clear. I was a bigger Bluff fan, and
37:30
Speaker 2: I swear to god.
37:31
Speaker 6: I was like, wow, wow, wait, this is eight months
37:35
Speaker 6: we've been seeing each other, and this is when how
37:38
Speaker 6: I find it a bit And she's like no, no,
37:41
Speaker 6: and then like Pulp, like I loved, and I got
37:44
Speaker 6: to introduce Pulp.
37:48
Speaker 2: The gardens called Someting the Gardens for hug Maney and
37:51
Speaker 2: I met Jarvis Cocker and I genuinely was like, my
37:55
Speaker 2: head's going to explode. What a sound guy. He's so sound.
37:59
Speaker 2: And Richard Holly was there and he came on and
38:02
Speaker 2: barred out a few songs to them, and I was like,
38:04
Speaker 2: it's rich Richard Holly's there drinking a wee glass of
38:07
Speaker 2: wine and getting his guitar ready, and.
38:10
Speaker 1: We've had opportunities like that through your comedy to do.
38:13
Speaker 2: Stuff like that. Yeah, and just just meet those people
38:17
Speaker 2: that like it's funny because he signed my album and
38:20
Speaker 2: I've got it framed and I've got to jump.
38:22
Speaker 1: Remember Cocker jumped on the stage.
38:24
Speaker 2: Was at the Brits in TV The Brits, the Britts
38:28
Speaker 2: Eye the Brits. It was Michael Jackson.
38:31
Speaker 6: That was it.
38:32
Speaker 2: And ah because all the kids and all that were
38:35
Speaker 2: on the stage and Cockers not having it. No, that's
38:38
Speaker 2: when they were allowed to drink it the Brits. They're
38:40
Speaker 2: not allowed to do that anymore. But it was like
38:43
Speaker 2: in that like Radiohead the Benz, like everyone goes okay,
38:46
Speaker 2: computer and I'm like, oh for me, I love the
38:49
Speaker 2: Bens and I would kind of but I that was
38:53
Speaker 2: that was my influence. And it's funny because of so
38:55
Speaker 2: much of that music, I would say, from nineteen eighty two,
39:00
Speaker 2: seen ninety two, that's so very specific to that time
39:05
Speaker 2: time and it's a certain sound and even just things
39:08
Speaker 2: like the Pete Mode Teenage Fang Clock Brilliant Album, Brown
39:13
Speaker 2: Bandwagon S Kneel and Pink for the Dollar the Dollar Bag.
39:19
Speaker 2: So there's there's I mean, but equally, I love a
39:22
Speaker 2: bit of disco, old school seventy studio fifty four disco.
39:26
Speaker 2: Do you what mean you go? That's a buyer, that's
39:28
Speaker 2: a great what's.
39:29
Speaker 1: Your favorite games you've been at?
39:30
Speaker 2: Then?
39:31
Speaker 1: Did you manage to see the store? Noes?
39:33
Speaker 2: I when you see them with my brother at the
39:35
Speaker 2: Ettie Had.
39:36
Speaker 1: This is a story is that when they can they
39:38
Speaker 1: can background the saying.
39:40
Speaker 2: I I when they came background, So I I seen
39:43
Speaker 2: them at the Ettie Had. Then the year later I
39:45
Speaker 2: seen them at handing for the last gig. So me
39:48
Speaker 2: and my brother meeting Manchester. Can you get a hotel
39:51
Speaker 2: in Manchester? So the night before I stay in Liverpool,
39:54
Speaker 2: he drives up. He stays down there. Children, So he
39:57
Speaker 2: drives up. We're meeting Manchester. We stayed at My girlfriend
40:02
Speaker 2: at the time dropped us off. And you know how
40:04
Speaker 2: there's that kind of house and estate next to the
40:06
Speaker 2: Ettie Had. Right, there's a chippy, then there's a massive
40:09
Speaker 2: house in estate. My brother went right. One of the
40:12
Speaker 2: lads at my work said there's a boozer in here,
40:14
Speaker 2: and I was that right, Oh jeez. England won the
40:17
Speaker 2: Euros so it was awesome. George's flags right, and we
40:20
Speaker 2: walked in. Everyone had a Paul Whaler hair cut and
40:24
Speaker 2: a jacket and I was like, we are wearing a
40:27
Speaker 2: pub fishameless. We are the only people not on gear.
40:32
Speaker 2: I said, you know why you went? Why do you
40:33
Speaker 2: think I went? Because we probably looked like police like
40:37
Speaker 2: compared to the rest of them. The two so we
40:39
Speaker 2: went into this pub and then we went to the
40:41
Speaker 2: Etty Hard and it was a public Enemy, and then
40:44
Speaker 2: it was the Stone Roses and it was genuinely just
40:46
Speaker 2: one of the best moments in my life. And then
40:49
Speaker 2: Hammding the following year was meant to be my brother,
40:52
Speaker 2: but he became a dad for the first time. So
40:54
Speaker 2: I went with my mate who missed waterfall because she
40:57
Speaker 2: went to the toilet and I was like, why what
41:00
Speaker 2: you daily? What you Dane? There was a week guy
41:04
Speaker 2: next day who was about fifteen when he's died, and
41:06
Speaker 2: I was like, I love them and he's dad clearly
41:11
Speaker 2: curated his music and I was like, have you seen
41:14
Speaker 2: Taxi Driver? He went, no, w have you seen good Fellas?
41:17
Speaker 2: He had no. I was like Blest and the Happy
41:20
Speaker 2: Mondays he went, just getting into them. I was like,
41:22
Speaker 2: what be the grateful dead? He's like no, the good.
41:24
Speaker 2: I was like, you're a bet your day like so,
41:27
Speaker 2: and I was looking at this week, I going, I
41:29
Speaker 2: am so jealous, like you get to see this for
41:32
Speaker 2: the first time, which I would have done anything to
41:34
Speaker 2: see this when I was your reach, do you know
41:36
Speaker 2: what I mean? And you've got so much life of
41:41
Speaker 2: culture to come at you that's been before, and you're
41:46
Speaker 2: going to relive it. You're going to pass it on
41:48
Speaker 2: to your kids, because this stuff's timeless and it won't age.
41:52
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh man, you've got so much,
41:54
Speaker 2: Like I know, the world's terrible, but you've got so
41:57
Speaker 2: much to look forward to in that learning cover that
42:00
Speaker 2: kind of popular culture from a different time because you
42:04
Speaker 2: can really tap int.
42:05
Speaker 1: He definitely can, because I mean that Stone knows his
42:07
Speaker 1: album's twenty seven years twenty seven eight nine. I think
42:13
Speaker 1: twitters is that right? But you see a lot of young,
42:18
Speaker 1: even young bands now doing all the covers of the
42:20
Speaker 1: stuff because on social media, trying to get themselves out there. Yeah,
42:23
Speaker 1: and it's coming right background and.
42:25
Speaker 2: It's it's incredible though, that isn't it that generational.
42:29
Speaker 1: Massive compliment to them? All these bands are taking their songs,
42:32
Speaker 1: aren't they.
42:33
Speaker 2: I mean John Squire or Johnny Mah, you know what
42:36
Speaker 2: I mean. I mean, imagine having then you've got Paul
42:38
Speaker 2: Weller no talking about the style count so never talk
42:43
Speaker 2: about the Style Couds. So I remember naing Frankie having
42:45
Speaker 2: this discussion and Frankie was that the stip don't be
42:48
Speaker 2: I said, they're pish, And then about a month later
42:50
Speaker 2: they said, I went back listening to the Stylecouds rights,
42:54
Speaker 2: I was like, they're terrible. They are terrible. But that
42:58
Speaker 2: kind of thing of like just passing that stuff down,
43:02
Speaker 2: like I've never really been into rapp or anything like that.
43:05
Speaker 2: And I couldn't remember my brother being all the words
43:07
Speaker 2: to put like all the public Enemy songs. So that
43:10
Speaker 2: was obviously something that had got into him, which probably
43:14
Speaker 2: equally came from the scan the Specials and fed into that.
43:18
Speaker 2: And there's a real kind of what's the word that
43:21
Speaker 2: you're looking for there, there's a real kind of thing
43:23
Speaker 2: where everything just leans into everything. Every week bit of
43:26
Speaker 2: popular culture will take in another way. But I do
43:29
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, It's like it's magical, and
43:32
Speaker 2: I think I think we were very lucky when when
43:36
Speaker 2: we grew up with that kind of stuff. I mean
43:38
Speaker 2: even art like Damien Hurst and Tracey Emmen and do
43:42
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, that's all really important stuff.
43:44
Speaker 2: Even if you don't go it, even if you don't
43:46
Speaker 2: get it, it's all right for it to be out
43:49
Speaker 2: there because you need it to be out there, and
43:51
Speaker 2: kids need to see ay, because we're living in a
43:57
Speaker 2: world where it's four cord songs and it's very beige
44:03
Speaker 2: and it's really nice middle class boys and girls that
44:05
Speaker 2: are doing it and there's no grit. There's no grit there.
44:08
Speaker 2: The Julie Walters, the Arctic Monkeys, they all come from
44:12
Speaker 2: a place of real kind of working class grit and
44:16
Speaker 2: they get there through scholarships if it's acting or whatever.
44:19
Speaker 2: And we really, we really need that because that's what
44:23
Speaker 2: you know. De Niro would never been de Niro if
44:26
Speaker 2: he'd been a nice lad for Cambridge, you know, or
44:28
Speaker 2: if he grew up on a farm in Ipswich. You
44:30
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's that kind of thing that
44:33
Speaker 2: you see. We actually need to find a path for
44:36
Speaker 2: these kids to get through because it used to be
44:40
Speaker 2: football or music and that's kind of been taken away
44:43
Speaker 2: because to be a good footballer, you down you go
44:45
Speaker 2: to one of these kind of academy farms.
44:48
Speaker 1: Even the music is totally different everywhere practice.
44:52
Speaker 2: I mean I had a joke like, and what's on
44:55
Speaker 2: the show that I'm touring. They can serve We're going
45:00
Speaker 2: to bring back conscription and national service. Now, now you're not.
45:04
Speaker 2: That's a generation that I've never had to walk to school.
45:07
Speaker 2: You're not sending them to war. This is they've never
45:11
Speaker 2: felt the way of a sot wet the whole coat,
45:13
Speaker 2: never find a back back, do you know what I mean? So,
45:17
Speaker 2: and but there is that, and we do need those kids.
45:20
Speaker 2: Like the Arctic Monkeys, you can draw it an absolute
45:24
Speaker 2: thrilling two oasis into the stone rosies. It just goes.
45:27
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? I don't. I don't
45:30
Speaker 2: think they're bad. I really enjoy their music. But they're no,
45:33
Speaker 2: They're no my generation, do you know what I mean?
45:35
Speaker 2: I was the generation before.
45:37
Speaker 1: For so, as you've been a great guest, we are
45:40
Speaker 1: going to wrap it up with we get a recommendation
45:44
Speaker 1: from a previous guest, which in this case was Scott Keyle,
45:48
Speaker 1: and we do a film an album in a song right,
45:51
Speaker 1: so is recommended the film The Rock.
45:56
Speaker 2: Oh great fellow, good film. But I've not seen it
45:59
Speaker 2: and you need to work again. I've not seen it
46:01
Speaker 2: in years.
46:01
Speaker 1: So album David Gray, White Ladder.
46:04
Speaker 2: Brilliant album. Went to see the anniversary tour of that album.
46:09
Speaker 2: It was quite funny. Look, we're very young David Gray
46:11
Speaker 2: against modern David Green. But what a brilliant album.
46:17
Speaker 1: The song is from the Manic State Preachers and it's
46:20
Speaker 1: if you tolerate this nib and I just get it wrong.
46:24
Speaker 2: They I've anything new there, but that's it's always nice
46:29
Speaker 2: to leave us it. That's a great tin in motorcycle emptiness.
46:35
Speaker 1: So can they get a film, an album and a
46:36
Speaker 1: song of yourself for a mixed guest?
46:38
Speaker 2: So my film, I was really torn here right between
46:43
Speaker 2: Godfather Too and Goodfellas. But I love Goodfellas. I think
46:49
Speaker 2: Godfather Too is a very special film, especially within the trilogy,
46:53
Speaker 2: especially after one. But Goodfellas is a stand alone example
46:57
Speaker 2: of wonderful cinematography and that acted. And I only found
47:01
Speaker 2: out reasonably recently that the bit with Joe Pesky going
47:05
Speaker 2: funny funny how was off script? Scarcese just filled it
47:10
Speaker 2: and let him go in that. That's great acting, great
47:13
Speaker 2: directing drills. I mean, but he is everyone's favorite social path,
47:19
Speaker 2: isn't he because he's sitting like see when you see
47:22
Speaker 2: him going into the underground car park and you go
47:25
Speaker 2: on and I've sat with people who have never seen
47:28
Speaker 2: it and they got heat is mental and then they go, oh, no,
47:32
Speaker 2: he goes everyone's favorite social path. So that's that's that
47:37
Speaker 2: My natural album. My album is a London Nill Hell
47:42
Speaker 2: four or Hell for London Noill. But the House mouns right,
47:46
Speaker 2: this is a great album. This was nineteen eighty six.
47:50
Speaker 2: Paul Heaton. I think Paul Heaton's probably one of the
47:53
Speaker 2: greatest songwriters that this country's ever produced. Who doesn't get
47:56
Speaker 2: the recognition and to have done that The House Martins
48:01
Speaker 2: and then you go into the Beautiful South, which I
48:04
Speaker 2: mean for a man to write the lyrics for a
48:07
Speaker 2: woman and the way that he does is incredible. But
48:12
Speaker 2: I mean there's the kind of love songs in the Heartbreak.
48:15
Speaker 2: We're not talking about Adele or Seline de On here,
48:17
Speaker 2: We're talking about basically a Northern couple in various situations
48:23
Speaker 2: carry on up the charts as a phenomenal album. And
48:25
Speaker 2: I nearly put that in, but I've went for this
48:28
Speaker 2: because it speaks to what Britain was then and it
48:33
Speaker 2: actually now speaks to his now, that whole thing, that
48:36
Speaker 2: kind of flag day and think for a minute, and
48:41
Speaker 2: it's just an incredible album. Norman Cook, fat Boy Slimt
48:45
Speaker 2: is of course in that band, and just the story
48:49
Speaker 2: of Paul Heaton's life in Journey is such a lefty.
48:53
Speaker 2: He's a socialist. He is a principal man who writes
48:58
Speaker 2: amazing songs and has never been given the credit. Because
49:02
Speaker 2: a cool guy as well.
49:03
Speaker 1: He'll put money behind the bars a different things for
49:06
Speaker 1: these fans coming.
49:08
Speaker 2: If it was for his birthday. I think it was
49:10
Speaker 2: his fifth day, thirty sixtieth birthday, and he put one
49:12
Speaker 2: in behind bars all over the UK and his favorite
49:16
Speaker 2: pubs and his favorite cities, and he put it behind him.
49:19
Speaker 2: People keep going and get a drink on him. He's
49:21
Speaker 2: just he's an incredible man. I went to see him
49:24
Speaker 2: at the Hydro and he's just an incredible artist and
49:28
Speaker 2: just he just gets music and he manages to look
49:32
Speaker 2: at the world and turn it into something that's not
49:37
Speaker 2: fucking head cheering, do you know what I mean. I'm
49:42
Speaker 2: doing a collab with helping Great. That's what I need.
49:45
Speaker 2: Two multi millionaires tell me about the state of the world,
49:48
Speaker 2: you know what happen. And my song, my song is
49:56
Speaker 2: actually from that album and it's called get Up off
50:00
Speaker 2: of Our Knees and there are It's an amazing it's
50:04
Speaker 2: a very simple song, but there's an amazing song. There's
50:07
Speaker 2: certain certain lyrics and it's like, hey, some spend winter
50:10
Speaker 2: in a palace, some spend it in blankets. You know,
50:13
Speaker 2: Banquets will be banquets, famines will be farmines, and so
50:16
Speaker 2: on and so forth. Some people lose a son at war,
50:20
Speaker 2: some people give it orders, you know, and it's really
50:23
Speaker 2: kind of class division, but without it's kind of saying, look,
50:27
Speaker 2: this is this system doesn't work, and this system has
50:32
Speaker 2: stopped working and we're being exploited. That was released in
50:36
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. It's twenty twenty six and it's brilliant.
50:43
Speaker 2: So everybody should actually listen to that album. Let's get
50:46
Speaker 2: a revolution. So it you've been great, very much.