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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, November five. This is Jaguars Happy Hour
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Speaker 1: and now sanitized by drones for your protection. J Pece
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Speaker 1: My name is J. P. Shadrick. Jeff Logoman coming up shortly.
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Speaker 1: We've got a busy show for you today. It's week nine.
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Speaker 1: The jackson the Houston Texans meet up this Sunday at
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Speaker 1: t I A Bank feeble preview the matchup this week
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Speaker 1: with the division rivals. Second meeting between the team's Houston
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Speaker 1: got it done down in Houston back in week five.
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Speaker 1: Jake Luton, time rookie quarterback, will start this week for
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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. Will get Logs take on him the
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Speaker 1: defense against the Shawn Watson. That's always the storyline. How
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Speaker 1: do you contain him and don't let him run around
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Speaker 1: all day long? If he gets in trouble in the pocket,
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Speaker 1: he has the ability to do that. There are COVID
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Speaker 1: nineteen concerns starting today in Houston. Three linebackers will not
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Speaker 1: be available for the game this week due to contact tracing.
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Speaker 1: A couple of the one positive and to contact tracings
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Speaker 1: will delve into that Tony Boselli joins us support thirty
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Speaker 1: Today and the Doug Moron Show at five o'clock. We'll
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Speaker 1: hear from the head coach. We hear from Jeff Flagaman
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Speaker 1: now who joins us on. The program is always on
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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoons. And here we go logs, fresh off the by.
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Speaker 1: Are you rested, relaxed and ready for the stretcher run? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm ready to go. The buy is always good.
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Speaker 1: And uh, I had a lot of productive days, i
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Speaker 1: will say, during the by and kept up with all
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Speaker 1: the sporting world and all the events with the NFL,
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Speaker 1: so uh and actually got to relax and watch a
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Speaker 1: little football just as kind of a a fan. And
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Speaker 1: it's kind of nice sometimes to do that, There's no
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Speaker 1: doubt about that. In joy those times while you get it.
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Speaker 1: But now the stretch run is here, and the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: are starting the stretch run with a new quarterback. Governer
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Speaker 1: Minshew has a thumb injury, so they're going with Jake Luton,
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Speaker 1: the rookie six round raft pick out of Oregon State.
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Speaker 1: He'll make his first career NFL appearance of any kind
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Speaker 1: this Sunday against the Houston Texans Doug Marone earlier this
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Speaker 1: week when asked about Luton and what do you expect
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Speaker 1: from the rookie? Well, I think the one thing is,
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Speaker 1: you know, you look early on of of you know,
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Speaker 1: picking up the system. You know systems now, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: probably quite different than most college programs. You know, on
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Speaker 1: on play calls and and and things of that nature.
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Speaker 1: And you know it is is bourbage. There's a there's
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Speaker 1: a lot on on that plate, you know, for those
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Speaker 1: for those quarterbacks. So I guess the first thing I
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Speaker 1: would say I was, I was impressed with, you know,
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Speaker 1: outside of whatever physical ability. You know what I'm saying
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Speaker 1: that you guys, we all can see you know from
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Speaker 1: his college film is uh, you know, his ability to
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Speaker 1: pick it up alright, picking it up one thing, logs,
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Speaker 1: of course, that's that's fine and dandy, knowing the system.
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Speaker 1: But when the lights come on and you walk out
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Speaker 1: on the field on Sunday, you'll you'll have J. J.
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Speaker 1: Watt and the Texans defense on the other side. What
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Speaker 1: are your first expectations, I guess for Luton this week,
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Speaker 1: I mean expectations for most rookies. I mean, not a
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Speaker 1: whole lot. I mean it uh, you know, you're talking
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Speaker 1: about a tough situation to be and I think Jay
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Speaker 1: Gruden had a comment this week and just a couple
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Speaker 1: of days ago, and I don't know if we're gonna
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Speaker 1: be able to play this later on or not, but
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Speaker 1: he said, quote, Jake hasn't called a play our play,
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Speaker 1: one of our plays in our huddle since training camp.
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Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute. Okay, so the last
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Speaker 1: time he was in a huddle calling a Jaguars offensive
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Speaker 1: play was all the way back in training camp. So
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Speaker 1: it's not like he was in the huddle and he's
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Speaker 1: been practicing the verbiage of the j Gruden offense. It's
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Speaker 1: in the Jaguars offense. Hasn't happened. So the expectations for
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Speaker 1: a young player in that situation, I think it's low.
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Speaker 1: But let me say this, My expectations of his physical
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Speaker 1: abilities is pretty high. You maybe the performance may not
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Speaker 1: be there initially because look, he hasn't had a lot
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Speaker 1: of practice time. Even though you had a bye week,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't like they were practicing four days during the
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Speaker 1: bye to get Jake Luton ready for this opportunity after
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Speaker 1: the bye week. You know, there's been limited opportunity but
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Speaker 1: I still think and I believe that. I believe that's
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Speaker 1: going all the way back to training camp when they
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Speaker 1: made him the second quarterback that made the roster on
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Speaker 1: final cut down day, I thought it should have stayed
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Speaker 1: that way because he impressed me that much JP and
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Speaker 1: training camp, I thought he earned the job to be
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Speaker 1: the backup. But they chose to bring Mike Glennan back
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Speaker 1: after exposing him in the final cuts because they just
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Speaker 1: felt comfortable that Mike Glennon has been around a little
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Speaker 1: bit and maybe it wouldn't be too big for him.
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Speaker 1: But in my opinion and training camp, Jake Lewton earned
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Speaker 1: the backup job, and in fact, and part of my
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Speaker 1: mind it was thinking he might earn an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: be able to compete for the starting job because at
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Speaker 1: times he showed the things that you want in a
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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, which is he has great height, he's got
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Speaker 1: the vision to see over the line of scrimmage. He's
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Speaker 1: got an NFL caliber arm. He can fit it in
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Speaker 1: the tight windows. He can throw the velocity balls on
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Speaker 1: the outs, the deep outs, and also into a little
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Speaker 1: short windows or small windows in the middle of the field.
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Speaker 1: So my expectations JP again aren't high. But I also
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Speaker 1: think and I agree with Doug Brone and that when
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Speaker 1: Doug Brown said his ceiling is high and that's what
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Speaker 1: he believes, I think the ceiling is high too. But
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Speaker 1: the thing that you just don't know about is the
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Speaker 1: mental makeup JP. When the live bullets start flying and J. J.
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Speaker 1: Watt starts rushing uh and Za cunning Ham starts coming
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Speaker 1: at you in and all out, Let's what are you
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Speaker 1: gonna do? Right? It's a different world when when that
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Speaker 1: happens sometimes. Now, I wonder the curious thing I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of people will ask going into this game,
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Speaker 1: and I'll be curious to see it on Sunday is
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Speaker 1: how different will the offense be called with Luton? Will
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Speaker 1: they open it up a little bit with his ability
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Speaker 1: to throw a deeper football down the field, or will
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Speaker 1: they be a little more conservative and mixing that run
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Speaker 1: game and and keep things safe for Looten? I mean,
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Speaker 1: for me, Logs, you're throwing him out there. Let's throw
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Speaker 1: the ball around and see what this kid has. Sure, sure,
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Speaker 1: but but but I will say this, I mean, here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. How advanced was the Jaguars playbook anyway with
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Speaker 1: Gardner Mishew Garden Gardener Minshew had and the Jaguars offense,
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Speaker 1: what seven games under his belt? Yes, and this is
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Speaker 1: seven games under j Gruden's offense to the playbook, wasn't
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Speaker 1: six inches thick for Gardner Minshew Now als, Okay, Jake
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Speaker 1: Luton's coming in, we're gonna just you know, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: rink it down instead of six inches six we're gonna
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Speaker 1: cut it down to a one inch playbook. It's I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's not how it was. So I think the playbook
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Speaker 1: will be it will shrink a little bit, but I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna shrink that much. And uh,
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Speaker 1: do you maybe get a little bit of conservative nature
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Speaker 1: with some of your play calling? Maybe, but here's the reality.
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Speaker 1: Weren't they kind of trying to be conservative play calling
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Speaker 1: with Gardner Minshew over the last number of weeks And
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Speaker 1: weren't they talking about that going all the way back
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Speaker 1: to the last Houston matchup in the week before that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, so it's not like you're gonna do something
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Speaker 1: drastically different and you're gonna change the offense because of
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Speaker 1: a different skill set with Jake Luton. Your offense is
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Speaker 1: your offense. You just need to find a quarterback that
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Speaker 1: connectecute it better. And I think that Jake Luton is
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Speaker 1: gonna have a great opportunity on his hands. And Doug
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Speaker 1: Moron did not mince any work when he was asked
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Speaker 1: a question about well Gardner Minshew get his job back,
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Speaker 1: he said, look, if Jake Luton comes out there and
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Speaker 1: plays well, I mean, what what should you do? Well?
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Speaker 1: You should let him keep playing, you know, So it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to me JP. And and just another note,
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Speaker 1: you know, with with Gardner Minshew, a lot of people
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Speaker 1: may be wondering what is a fracture and damage ligaments
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Speaker 1: and everything? What does that do with a quarterback? How
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Speaker 1: does that happen? And I've had them on both thumbs here,
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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try to to show you visually what
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Speaker 1: if um looks like that's had ligament and broken bones, okay,
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Speaker 1: both of them, and they've both been in ways that
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Speaker 1: they shouldn't been, okay. And what happens is when a
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Speaker 1: thumb gets bent like this way, the ligament that is
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Speaker 1: basically spacing the gap pulls a little piece of bone
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Speaker 1: off with it. So I'm not the doctor in this case.
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Speaker 1: But I'm getting that it was something of this nature
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Speaker 1: with Gardner Minshew because I remember when I had it
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Speaker 1: with both hands it was hard to grit. And with
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Speaker 1: Gardner throwing the highballs on occasion the last couple of
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Speaker 1: games that we saw him playing, losing the grip is
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Speaker 1: what means the ball. You can't hold it when you're
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Speaker 1: trying to be forceful and put velocity on it, and
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Speaker 1: so you lose your grip and the ball comes out
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Speaker 1: high and flies high. So that's my guess as to
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Speaker 1: what happened with Gardner Minshew, even though the Jaguars don't
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Speaker 1: talk medically and don't release that information, if I had
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Speaker 1: to guess, that's what it would have. Well, I just
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Speaker 1: know we we just saw your thumb do weird things
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Speaker 1: in high definition if you're watching on Jaguars dot com
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Speaker 1: and uh that that was quite interesting. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: the visuals. I actually had just a quick cool story.
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Speaker 1: Is that you know when you when you play defensive
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Speaker 1: line or offensive line. I remember when I came in
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Speaker 1: the league, there was a guy that played offensive guard
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Speaker 1: and his name was Dan Alexander and Dan played at
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Speaker 1: UH I think it was Louisiana Tech. He was Louisiana guy.
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Speaker 1: We called him Cajun Dave, you know, and and Uh
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Speaker 1: or Cajun Dan. And he used to wear because back
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Speaker 1: in the early days of the National Football League, you
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Speaker 1: didn't have gloves so to speak, you know, the the
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Speaker 1: Nike gloves or the Adidas gloves or the Newman gloves.
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Speaker 1: You know, back then, the first cloves that were kind
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Speaker 1: of out, they were called Newman's. Well with the offensive
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Speaker 1: lineman back in the day, they were they we didn't
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Speaker 1: have gloves. I mean, receivers caught with their hands and
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Speaker 1: you stick them and uh and the offensive line to
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Speaker 1: protect their hands because their hands are so exposed, they
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Speaker 1: would actually wear a gardening glove, I mean like old
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Speaker 1: fashioned leather gardening gloves. That Dan used to wear these
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Speaker 1: old leather gardening gloves. And he'd have on the old
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Speaker 1: spot built shoes cleats for turf that will looked like boots,
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Speaker 1: you know, like literally like like work boots, and he
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Speaker 1: would take these gloves up. But they did that to
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Speaker 1: protect the hands because as offensive lineman and defensive lineman,
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Speaker 1: you know, you catch something the wrong way and fingers
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Speaker 1: can just go, you know, in ways that they shouldn't
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Speaker 1: go and that brought around the advent of gloves and
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Speaker 1: everything of that nature. But you know, gloves didn't even
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Speaker 1: start becoming popular in football probably until about the early
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Speaker 1: nineties when Newman were the first ones that came out
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Speaker 1: with it. When they did, at first a lot of
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Speaker 1: guys were resisted to doing it, but then they realized
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Speaker 1: how well it could protect their hands, and then everybody
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Speaker 1: started using them. And he can go right back home
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Speaker 1: after the game and do some gardening outside trim to
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Speaker 1: change gloves. You know, it's perfect. Here's another thought about
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew here. You know, I think everybody kind of
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Speaker 1: understands maybe why he wanted he wants to stay on
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Speaker 1: the field. Obviously he knows his situation here and this
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Speaker 1: was this is is his year to show that he
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Speaker 1: was a franchise guy. This was an opportunity. So the
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Speaker 1: story is that he didn't tell the team that he
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Speaker 1: had this injury and they found out officially during the
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Speaker 1: bye week. Where are you on that it's not obviously
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Speaker 1: Doug Moron talked about it this week where he he
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Speaker 1: wants players to be forthright and you know, the medical
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Speaker 1: crew can help the player maybe get back when it
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Speaker 1: goes the other way, it sometimes can hurt the football team.
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Speaker 1: To where do you stand on this or I stand
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Speaker 1: on that? First off, I'm amazed that a starting quarterback
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Speaker 1: for a football team doesn't communicate to the organization that
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Speaker 1: he's got a thumb issue. I mean, that's like a
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Speaker 1: JP for baseball fans. I mean, it's like having Nolan
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Speaker 1: Ryan not tell the Houston Astros or the Rangers. I
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Speaker 1: mean that they looking up I'm having a hard time
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Speaker 1: throwing because my thumb is having an issue. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's crazy to me. Um. So, obviously that's not a
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Speaker 1: situation that you want to have because the expectation is
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Speaker 1: that you should have excellent communication between your starting quarterback
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Speaker 1: and the coaching staff, the training staff, and the organization
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Speaker 1: as a whole. And obviously that wasn't the case with
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshue I and I do understand to some extent that, look, hey,
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Speaker 1: he wants to be able to keep his job. It's
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Speaker 1: as an opportunity to be starting quarterback, and he doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to be told, well, we got to take you
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Speaker 1: out of there, and he's trying to suck it up
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Speaker 1: and play play through it and all that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I understand that part of it. But look, your performance
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Speaker 1: was lacking the last couple of weeks. That certainly was
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Speaker 1: affecting you in the Chargers game. And uh and you know,
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Speaker 1: and the one thing I will say JP is that
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew has never been super accurate on the intermediate
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Speaker 1: to long stuff, and he's never had great velocity on
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Speaker 1: his ball. Um He's always thrown the ball a little
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Speaker 1: bit where it's got a little bit of an arc
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Speaker 1: on it. And we've never said that he has a
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Speaker 1: weak arm. But we've never said that he has a
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Speaker 1: strong arm. So if he loses a little velocity or
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Speaker 1: if he loses a little accuracy, then maybe you don't
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Speaker 1: notice it as much with a Gardener Minshew compared to like,
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Speaker 1: let's say Dan Rino. You know, if it Dan Rino
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Speaker 1: usually throws ninety and also un throwing seventy, then you
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Speaker 1: notice it, whereas Gardner Minshew's probably throwing sixty and then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now he's throwing fifty. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm not not trying to be funny here, but I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to give you an analogy of the different
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Speaker 1: speeds and how sometimes it can be hard to tell.
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Speaker 1: Maybe if a guy has an injured thumb. You know.
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Speaker 1: So from the team standpoint, the trainer standpoint, unless he
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Speaker 1: tells them, they don't know. I mean, all you know
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Speaker 1: is that he just missed d J. Chark ten yards
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Speaker 1: over his head. That's just a bad throw, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's the first reaction. That was my first reacting, you know,
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Speaker 1: the first throw that he had in a game against
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Speaker 1: the Charges. My reaction wasn't, oh man, he can't grip
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Speaker 1: the ball. He must have a thumb injury, you know.
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Speaker 1: So it's it's a shame that had happened, but the
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Speaker 1: reality is that it did and uh and so it
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Speaker 1: presents an opportunity and a great opportunity for Jake Luton.
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Speaker 1: Jake Luton, sixth round rookie getting the start this week
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Speaker 1: for the Jags against the division rival Houston Texans. Plenty
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Speaker 1: of a haad. More on this a little later when
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Speaker 1: Tony Baselli joins us in about fifteen minutes. We'll come
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Speaker 1: defense and see if they can develop that pass rush.
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Speaker 1: This has been a talking point all season long, hasn't
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Speaker 1: Salute to Service game this week, the Jags back home
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Speaker 1: at t i a A Bank Field. Coming up a
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Speaker 1: little later. Tony Brocellian about ten minutes or so, he'll
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Speaker 1: join us. Some COVID nineteen situations down in Houston. Will
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Speaker 1: get into that a little bit later as well. J P.
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Speaker 1: Shadrick with Jeff Logerman and let's get to this Jaguars
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Speaker 1: defense now and the matchup this week against the Shawn
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Speaker 1: Watson and the Texans. Now, you remember back in Week five,
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Speaker 1: they had a big day through the air, Brandon Cooks
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Speaker 1: had a huge day a hud sixty one yards, touchdown,
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Speaker 1: eight catches. On the game, Deshaun Watson throws for three
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Speaker 1: fifty nine and three scores. He didn't think two interceptions
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Speaker 1: in that game. But the defense, you know, they're in
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Speaker 1: that string right now, struggling obviously, thirty point games in
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Speaker 1: the last six times out there in all six losses.
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Speaker 1: So where do you start on defense this week to
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Speaker 1: get things turned the right way? Are you hiding behind
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Speaker 1: your break here? Well, I'm starting right here because if
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Speaker 1: you actually look at the last matchup, this is my
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Speaker 1: game board from the Houston Texans game, and let's see,
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Speaker 1: uh no c j Henderson, uh no, Josh Allen, um no,
20:35
Speaker 1: Miles Jack. You didn't have Cindy Jones in there until
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Speaker 1: a little bit later, you know. So look, when you
20:44
Speaker 1: play a football team and you're depleted, you know, the
20:47
Speaker 1: reality is it's tough. And I think the positive thing
20:50
Speaker 1: for the Jaguars defensively this week is that you're gonna
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Speaker 1: have I don't want to say all hands on deck
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Speaker 1: because you know Avery Jones is on I R. But
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get Miles Jack, I think is the expectation
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Speaker 1: you could end up getting your safety Jared Wilson back.
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Speaker 1: H C. J. Henderson is gonna be able to play
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Speaker 1: in this game. Josh Allen is two two weeks now
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Speaker 1: back in action and also having the extra week with
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Speaker 1: the bye, his knee should be better, you know. So, Uh,
21:18
Speaker 1: it's a better situation for the Jaguars, but JP, make
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Speaker 1: no mistake about it. Even if you're healthy, it's a
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Speaker 1: it's a pretty strong test to be able to face
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Speaker 1: a Deshaun Watson. The one thing that Deshaun Watson hasn't
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Speaker 1: had going for him this year for the most part,
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Speaker 1: is a running game. And that's why the Texans were
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Speaker 1: so good last year is that they had a pretty
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Speaker 1: strong running game and it took a lot of pressure
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Speaker 1: off of Deshaun Watson. And this year the ranked dead
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Speaker 1: last in the National Football League running the ball as
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Speaker 1: an offense. And uh, that's not a very good number.
21:51
Speaker 1: But the last time they played, David Johnson had seventeen
21:53
Speaker 1: carries for ninety six yards. If if you're gonna beat
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Speaker 1: the Texans this time, you can't allow that to happen,
21:59
Speaker 1: you know, so, you better worrying about be worried about
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Speaker 1: stopping and run first, and then you can worry about
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. And once you get to Deshaun Watson, JP,
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Speaker 1: we all know it's a it's a very specific, hard
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Speaker 1: to execute game plan. And when I say very specific
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Speaker 1: in that your goal is to keep Deshaun Watson in
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Speaker 1: the pocket to build kind of this moat around him.
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Speaker 1: But the problem is you can't just build the moat
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Speaker 1: and then be happy with that, because then he's just
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Speaker 1: gonna sit back there in his castle and just you know,
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Speaker 1: throw docks and be able to throw the ball deep
22:34
Speaker 1: though some very speedy receivers. So you need to find
22:38
Speaker 1: a way somehow to get pressure without taking a lot
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Speaker 1: of chances, so that all of a sudden you have
22:43
Speaker 1: a breakdown in your moat and all of a sudden
22:45
Speaker 1: he escapes, and then all of a sudden, you're expecting
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Speaker 1: a defensive back to cover for another four or five seconds.
22:52
Speaker 1: And and that's the challenge of Deshaun Watson. And not
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Speaker 1: only that, but hey, the reality is he can take
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Speaker 1: off and run for thirty r if you got back
23:00
Speaker 1: s turn and you're in man coverage. So, uh, tough
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Speaker 1: challenge this week. And it becomes really really tough if
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Speaker 1: they're running the football well like they did the last meeting.
23:10
Speaker 1: I never thought we would have talked about moats and
23:13
Speaker 1: castles on this show today, but we've gone there like that.
23:16
Speaker 1: I like that analogy. Yes, that was very nice. Uh,
23:19
Speaker 1: you know, but now I'm curious about the development of
23:23
Speaker 1: these pass rushers overall. Yeah, I know the scores have
23:27
Speaker 1: not been great for them to be able to get
23:29
Speaker 1: after the quarterback a lot in those situations, that's one thing,
23:34
Speaker 1: But you know, they've been close. Allen's been there. He's
23:37
Speaker 1: been banged up now the last little bit and he's
23:39
Speaker 1: back on the field. That's fine. He's got nine games
23:41
Speaker 1: left this year to really get going. Chase on how's
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Speaker 1: his development going. I know they're doing a lot of
23:47
Speaker 1: extra work after practice every day, talking to Joey Bosa
23:50
Speaker 1: after the game on the field in l A. They're
23:52
Speaker 1: doing everything they can. But at some point, the rubbers
23:55
Speaker 1: gotta hit the road during the game and they've got
23:57
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback a little more often. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and I'm all all for it, And uh, they're not
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Speaker 1: doing a very good job. J p M. The reality is,
24:10
Speaker 1: if if you like, you go back to the game
24:11
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, against the Chargers. The only guy that
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Speaker 1: was having wins as a pass rusher was Josh Allen,
24:20
Speaker 1: and Josh wasn't completely healthy. I mean it wasn't like
24:23
Speaker 1: Josh was just crushing guys. I mean it was he
24:26
Speaker 1: was doing a pretty good job, not as good as
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen can do, and nobody else is winning. And
24:32
Speaker 1: that's hard. I mean, it's very hard when it's a
24:34
Speaker 1: one man band, asked Joe. He can tell you it's
24:37
Speaker 1: hard to play all the instruments by yourself at a
24:39
Speaker 1: live concert. But caleban chas On has got to find
24:43
Speaker 1: a way to have what I call the hands and
24:47
Speaker 1: the hips kind of married together. And what does he have?
24:50
Speaker 1: One sack on the year? Is that right? I think
24:52
Speaker 1: it's one sack on. Yeah, it's one sack. But here's
24:55
Speaker 1: the reality. The one sack that he got, I don't
24:58
Speaker 1: want to say it was anything that he did as
25:00
Speaker 1: a great pass rusher to be able to get that sack.
25:02
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those sacks that every now
25:04
Speaker 1: and again you'd like to get. You fall into him
25:06
Speaker 1: and but his hips and his and his arms or
25:09
Speaker 1: hands aren't working together. And that's the one thing I
25:13
Speaker 1: think that concerns me. You know, when I when I
25:14
Speaker 1: watched him in training camp, I thought, really thought and
25:17
Speaker 1: was very impressed with his hands because he was using
25:20
Speaker 1: his hands, and a lot of young players don't learn
25:22
Speaker 1: to use their hands. They just try to run around
25:24
Speaker 1: guys and be faster than another guy or be stronger
25:26
Speaker 1: than another guy. But they soon find out at the
25:29
Speaker 1: National Football League level, you actually have to have a plan.
25:33
Speaker 1: I mean, even the great Reggie White, who was just
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Speaker 1: so dominant physically, actually had a plan. Reggie's plan was
25:40
Speaker 1: he was gonna take you down the middle and run
25:42
Speaker 1: you over. And then the next plan was is that
25:45
Speaker 1: once you started sitting heavy, he was gonna get you
25:48
Speaker 1: to sit heavy and then give you a little juke
25:50
Speaker 1: and then give you a power rip to the outside.
25:53
Speaker 1: And then once you started to sit on the power
25:55
Speaker 1: rip on the outside, if that didn't work, he was
25:57
Speaker 1: gonna hump your butt about six yards up the field
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Speaker 1: because he was so strong. So even Reggie White had
26:03
Speaker 1: a great plan. Lawrence Taylor had a great plan. If
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Speaker 1: you got a great get off, he was chopping and
26:08
Speaker 1: ripping to get to the outside, and if he was
26:10
Speaker 1: a little bit laid off the ball, he would chop
26:13
Speaker 1: thinking that they're letting the offensive lineman know that I'm
26:16
Speaker 1: going outside. But Laurence Taylor would chop down and then
26:18
Speaker 1: immediately spend to the inside. So even the great pass rushers,
26:22
Speaker 1: they weren't just like these dominant, physically gifted pass rushers.
26:26
Speaker 1: You actually have to learn technique and setting guys up.
26:30
Speaker 1: And I think that's what Caleban chaded on is figuring
26:32
Speaker 1: out right now. And then in college it was a
26:34
Speaker 1: little bit easier. And now you have to have your
26:37
Speaker 1: hands and your hips working together, but then you also
26:39
Speaker 1: have to have your mind working with your hands and
26:42
Speaker 1: your hips, so you can have a plan when you
26:43
Speaker 1: rush the pastor and it's tough. He's having a tough time, yeah,
26:48
Speaker 1: but you know at some point um it'll start to click.
26:52
Speaker 1: I think for those guys. How about the interior play
26:54
Speaker 1: last time out. Davon Hamilton's the rookie out of Ohio State.
26:58
Speaker 1: Avery Jones was not there or so he kind of
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Speaker 1: stepped into that role in the interior and it was
27:04
Speaker 1: certainly the best game he's had so far as a rookie,
27:07
Speaker 1: and that was a really bright spot, and in a
27:10
Speaker 1: in a year where there aren't many bright spots on defense.
27:13
Speaker 1: I think that was a very good development for this organization. Well,
27:18
Speaker 1: Devon Hamilton's the third round pick, and so your expectation
27:21
Speaker 1: with a third round pick is that he's a starter,
27:23
Speaker 1: and it should be um as a third round pick,
27:26
Speaker 1: and he's a big dude, big dude. This past game,
27:30
Speaker 1: I thought it was his best game, and I thought
27:32
Speaker 1: he did a really good job, and and I expected
27:35
Speaker 1: him to do better this past game. And the reason
27:38
Speaker 1: I expected him to do better was that Poenie, who
27:41
Speaker 1: is the starting center for the Chargers, who took over
27:44
Speaker 1: for the uh the center Pouncy who was injured. And
27:49
Speaker 1: Phoenie had been a guard in the past. But Phoenie's
27:52
Speaker 1: not a like he's. He's a little straight legged, he's
27:55
Speaker 1: not super strong, he doesn't play real load to the ground,
27:58
Speaker 1: he doesn't play with a lot of leverage. So I
28:00
Speaker 1: expected somebody who's big and strong like Devon Hamilton's to
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Speaker 1: play well against Feenie, and he did, and it was
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Speaker 1: good to see. And and even if it's against the
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Speaker 1: guy that's not super physical or super strong, it's good
28:11
Speaker 1: to see because when you go against the guy you
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Speaker 1: think you should play well against, you gotta play well
28:15
Speaker 1: against him, and he did that, so so that's good.
28:18
Speaker 1: And I hope it's something that he can build off of.
28:21
Speaker 1: And uh, and also in the meantime to continue to
28:23
Speaker 1: get better and anticipate. And I was talking to somebody
28:27
Speaker 1: about this earlier in the week. JP, you know, you
28:28
Speaker 1: go back, because you know I'm talking about how big
28:31
Speaker 1: and strong Devon Hamilton's is. You go back in the
28:34
Speaker 1: early days of Jaguar's history, and and John Jerkovic, who
28:39
Speaker 1: was a defensive tackle, and he and Joe Fortunato and JP.
28:43
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever had a chance to
28:44
Speaker 1: meet him, maybe if he came back for alumni day
28:46
Speaker 1: or something that Joe remembers him. He might have had
28:49
Speaker 1: the the worst body in the National Football League. I
28:53
Speaker 1: mean literally, the guy didn't look like he played football.
28:56
Speaker 1: The guy didn't look like he ever played football. He
28:58
Speaker 1: might have played a little, you know, high school ball,
29:01
Speaker 1: maybe a little called small college ball, because he was
29:04
Speaker 1: just kind of around around guy. And UH. And if
29:10
Speaker 1: he told you at the bar and you never knew
29:11
Speaker 1: who he was and just met him, he tells you
29:13
Speaker 1: he's an NFL player, You're like, you're so full of it.
29:16
Speaker 1: I mean that would be your reaction, but he was.
29:19
Speaker 1: He was a good player, and he was a good
29:21
Speaker 1: player doing large part because he could anticipate blocks. He
29:25
Speaker 1: could anticipate if I'm playing a shade on a nose
29:28
Speaker 1: one way, that guard's coming down and I'm getting a
29:31
Speaker 1: double team, I can I can dig my left hip
29:34
Speaker 1: or my right hip, depend on which side of the
29:35
Speaker 1: senator that I'm on down and hold the point and
29:38
Speaker 1: anticipate where that pressure is coming from. Or if the
29:42
Speaker 1: guards coming down centers pulling around, I can immediately play
29:46
Speaker 1: over here to the guard and now I'm fighting against
29:49
Speaker 1: pressure and and for a large part of the early
29:53
Speaker 1: part of the season, Devon Hamilton's wasn't anticipating and you
29:56
Speaker 1: can be big and strong, but the reality is a
29:58
Speaker 1: lot of the other guys that you're playing again big
30:00
Speaker 1: and strong too, And so he was getting knocked around
30:02
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know so, and so when you
30:05
Speaker 1: went to anticipate, you can play stronger, be stronger and
30:08
Speaker 1: uh and hopefully the more reps he gets, the better
30:10
Speaker 1: he becomes in the better pass rusher that he can be.
30:13
Speaker 1: Because it was the third round pick, the expectation as
30:15
Speaker 1: you need to be able to UH to be a
30:17
Speaker 1: decent pass rusher as a defensive tackle. In my opinion,
30:21
Speaker 1: if you if you drop somebody in the the third round,
30:22
Speaker 1: he's gotta have some pass rushing potential too, and I
30:24
Speaker 1: think he's got a little bit and he's getting better
30:25
Speaker 1: at it. All right, Loves, let's come back in a moment.
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Speaker 1: I hadn't taken a lot of ups with the first team.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I don't think he's called off play one
34:47
Speaker 1: of our players in the Huddleson's training camp, So uh,
34:50
Speaker 1: it will not be easy for him. Uh. It's his
34:52
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34:56
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35:02
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35:07
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35:08
Speaker 1: feel good about his demeanor, his work ethic. We feel
35:11
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35:14
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35:15
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35:20
Speaker 1: That's offensive coordinator Jay Gruden earlier this week discussing Jake Luton,
35:26
Speaker 1: the rookie quarterback we'll make the start for the Jags
35:28
Speaker 1: this Sunday against the Houston Texans. Jaguars Happy Hour continues.
35:32
Speaker 1: J P Shadrick, Jeff Lagerman, and Tony Basselli joins us
35:36
Speaker 1: now from way out in Ponto Vedra Beach, Florida. Tony, good, afternoon.
35:41
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? JP? Logs? Are we doing okay?
35:52
Speaker 1: Ready for some football? Yes? Jake? Hey, listen, Jake Gluten Yeah, Luke?
35:58
Speaker 1: What do you think? Tony? Are you what's what is
36:00
Speaker 1: your expectation for his performance on Sunday. I have zero
36:05
Speaker 1: expectations because here's a guy who's a rookie. Um has
36:10
Speaker 1: never taken a snap in an NFL game, had no
36:12
Speaker 1: preseason no o t as, limited reps in training camp,
36:16
Speaker 1: limited reps in the regular season as the third string quarterback.
36:20
Speaker 1: UM is a six round draft pick. UM. I have
36:24
Speaker 1: zero expectations. He's being put in a very tough spot. UM,
36:28
Speaker 1: and I wish him the best. I mean, we saw
36:31
Speaker 1: limited reps of him in training camp. When we saw him,
36:34
Speaker 1: he looked good. Um. He has a big arm. He
36:36
Speaker 1: looks like he's accurate. But the last time he faced
36:40
Speaker 1: a pass rush guys, was in the Mighty Pack twelve Um.
36:45
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be a little bit different speed and
36:47
Speaker 1: feel out there on Sunday. Uh, if they do play
36:51
Speaker 1: based on the COVID situation with Houston, Yeah, no doubt.
36:58
Speaker 1: That's Uh, that's a It is quite a task for him,
37:01
Speaker 1: you know. But it's one of those where JP we
37:04
Speaker 1: were talking about we got Yeah, we gotta go back
37:07
Speaker 1: to what what j Grud said there, and I mean
37:10
Speaker 1: to think about that for a minute. Yeah, he said
37:13
Speaker 1: that he hasn't called one of our plays and our
37:16
Speaker 1: huddle since training camp. I mean so, I mean Tony's right,
37:22
Speaker 1: I mean, the expectation is is not there. It's not high,
37:26
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you just you just hope that
37:29
Speaker 1: the young man has a knack and that he's he
37:32
Speaker 1: can allow some of his physical talents, which we clearly
37:35
Speaker 1: saw in training camp and in the scrimmage that allows
37:38
Speaker 1: some of those physical talents to carry him a little bit.
37:41
Speaker 1: And and the also the positive thing is is that
37:44
Speaker 1: his last year Oregon State, he was very good at
37:48
Speaker 1: protecting the football. Eight touchdowns I think or something of
37:53
Speaker 1: that nature and three interceptions. I mean, that's that's an
37:55
Speaker 1: incredible ratio. And if he can do that same type
37:59
Speaker 1: of thing with Jaguars, then awesome, awesome. But like Tony said,
38:04
Speaker 1: the expectation is low, but at the same token, the
38:08
Speaker 1: opportunity is very high for a young quarterback in this situation.
38:13
Speaker 1: What's that first huddle going to be Like? If you're
38:15
Speaker 1: a veteran offensive landman and here's Jake Luton out here
38:20
Speaker 1: calling plays in the huddle, that's gotta be a little
38:22
Speaker 1: bit Not that Gardner Minshew's a salty vet. I mean
38:25
Speaker 1: they're both young guys. Anyway, Well, and I got my
38:29
Speaker 1: I can't remember that. UM, maybe Jeff can, but and
38:32
Speaker 1: I think it was nine seven. UM. Margaret dal got
38:38
Speaker 1: hurt in training camp, and we started the season with
38:41
Speaker 1: Rob Johnson. Rob Johnson got hurt in week one, finished
38:45
Speaker 1: the game, but got hurt week one, and we had
38:48
Speaker 1: to have our third string quarterback, Matthews. I can't remember
38:51
Speaker 1: his first names of the life of me. For whatever reason,
38:54
Speaker 1: Steve Matthews and Steve Matthews knew about UM three pass
39:01
Speaker 1: plays and six run plays that he actually could call
39:03
Speaker 1: on the huddle, and it was a struggle for him
39:06
Speaker 1: to get him out and and so the key in
39:09
Speaker 1: those situations everyone else has to rise to the occasion.
39:12
Speaker 1: Everyone else has to play better. And we knew it,
39:14
Speaker 1: and we knew the situation where we're in. We knew
39:16
Speaker 1: we had a guy that was gonna struggle be comfortable,
39:18
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna struggle to communicate UM, and it
39:22
Speaker 1: was gonna be a very simple game plan. And all
39:24
Speaker 1: we ended up doing is going to scoring I think
39:25
Speaker 1: forty three points. Now. The defense played very well, got
39:28
Speaker 1: some turtle words for us, and we ran the ball
39:30
Speaker 1: and we had big plays to Jimmy Smith and Kingo Cardell.
39:33
Speaker 1: But when I think we literally called, you know, probably
39:36
Speaker 1: a total of ten different plays on that Sunday, and
39:40
Speaker 1: the owners came on everyone else. The offensive line has
39:42
Speaker 1: to block better. You have to keep a clean pocket,
39:44
Speaker 1: you have to run block, you have to be you
39:46
Speaker 1: have to control the line of scrimmage. Receiver has got
39:48
Speaker 1: to create space. Um, you know, the back's gotta run hard.
39:52
Speaker 1: Tight ends got to do their thing. I mean it, really,
39:54
Speaker 1: the onnest comes on everyone else. Now, you can't put
39:57
Speaker 1: this on Jake Luton. It's not fair. I he's not ready.
40:00
Speaker 1: I don't care how talented he is. I don't care
40:02
Speaker 1: what the story is. You know he has he has
40:04
Speaker 1: a big arm, all those different things. I'm excited to
40:07
Speaker 1: see what he can do. It'll be interesting. Um, but
40:13
Speaker 1: let's be honest. There's a reason he was a six
40:15
Speaker 1: round draft pick, and not that guy's lating the draft
40:18
Speaker 1: can't perform at a high level, and not that scouts
40:20
Speaker 1: don't miss some people. So I'm not taking a shot
40:23
Speaker 1: Jake Luten. But you gotta be honest with yourself, and
40:25
Speaker 1: you gotta be realistic, and you have to understand that
40:27
Speaker 1: we're not going to ask this kid to do too
40:29
Speaker 1: much because if we do, most likely it'll be a
40:32
Speaker 1: complete failure. Alright, So so I'm gonna bring this up.
40:36
Speaker 1: And and it's obviously tongue in cheek. Tom Brady was
40:39
Speaker 1: a six round pick. Yeah, but Jeff, but you're you're right.
40:45
Speaker 1: Let me say something real quick. That's a good job
40:47
Speaker 1: because you're right. And but let's not forget um it
40:51
Speaker 1: was I think it was the second year when he
40:52
Speaker 1: finally got in there midway through the season. Um. And
40:55
Speaker 1: if you think back to the early years of Tom Brady,
40:58
Speaker 1: tom Brady did not carry that. It's not the Tom
41:01
Speaker 1: Brady we know now or in the in the you know,
41:04
Speaker 1: the last career, the first quarter of his career, it
41:08
Speaker 1: was a defensive team. They ran the ball. They're one
41:11
Speaker 1: of the best defenses in the NFL. That's how they
41:13
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, that's how everyone else and allowed
41:20
Speaker 1: Tom Brady to get into it. Yeah, they had did
41:23
Speaker 1: a very good defense. And I obviously said that tongue
41:26
Speaker 1: in cheek. But you know, I think the one thing
41:27
Speaker 1: that they can do. You know, when Tony JP is
41:29
Speaker 1: talking about, Okay, we only had ten plays for Steve
41:32
Speaker 1: Matthews and there's nothing wrong with having ten play, you know,
41:36
Speaker 1: because the one thing I think that you can do
41:38
Speaker 1: sometimes is you can dress up those ten plays. You
41:40
Speaker 1: can put a skirt on it, you can put a
41:42
Speaker 1: dress on it, you can put jeans on it. What
41:44
Speaker 1: I mean by that is you can window dress it.
41:46
Speaker 1: So you might be running the same you might be
41:48
Speaker 1: running ten plays, but one play, if it's run the same,
41:51
Speaker 1: might look you know, four different ways based on a
41:53
Speaker 1: formation or emotion or a way that you get to it.
41:56
Speaker 1: And so it's kind of a way to simplify things
42:00
Speaker 1: without making it simple for the defense to figure out
42:02
Speaker 1: exactly what you're gonna do. Um. But you know, it's
42:05
Speaker 1: I think it's a It's an exciting time for Jake
42:08
Speaker 1: Luton and Tony's right. I mean, the expectations are low,
42:11
Speaker 1: but at the same token, after what I've seen out
42:13
Speaker 1: of Gardner Minshew the last couple of weeks, I'm ready
42:16
Speaker 1: to see something different. I'm ready to see somebody execute
42:19
Speaker 1: the offense at a better rate. I'm looking at board
42:22
Speaker 1: and seeing a quarterback trust his pockets to stay in
42:25
Speaker 1: the pocket, to keep his eyes down the field and
42:28
Speaker 1: go through a progression, and then also to be able
42:30
Speaker 1: throw somebody open, you know, with with arm strength and
42:33
Speaker 1: fitting it in the tight windows. Because I haven't seen
42:36
Speaker 1: much of that from Gardner Minshew, Jeff, do you think
42:41
Speaker 1: and you know basic only what you just said, um,
42:44
Speaker 1: because I agree with all that, I think you're dead on.
42:47
Speaker 1: But I had big questions. I mean, I don't know
42:49
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be get good in the pocket. I
42:51
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be comfortable with the rush.
42:53
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna step up. I don't
42:55
Speaker 1: know if if the first guy is not open, if
42:57
Speaker 1: his eyes go down and start looking around a way escape.
43:01
Speaker 1: I'm interested what happens the first time he gets hit
43:03
Speaker 1: in the chops by J. J. Watt and now all
43:07
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's came on. Is he started looking
43:09
Speaker 1: at the rush? Does he take his eye eyes off
43:12
Speaker 1: down the field? I have no idea. All I know
43:14
Speaker 1: about this kid is that he's a big arm. He
43:17
Speaker 1: looks the part. I don't know. I mean, I'm not
43:20
Speaker 1: even sure how great of an athlete is he gonna
43:21
Speaker 1: be able to run around and buy time? I mean,
43:24
Speaker 1: I don't know. And training camp that's easy. But those
43:27
Speaker 1: are all things that I have no idea. What to
43:30
Speaker 1: expect and anyone outside that coaching staff, and even the
43:33
Speaker 1: coaching staff doesn't know because they've never seen him do
43:37
Speaker 1: it in any game, not in the preseason nothing. They
43:41
Speaker 1: they he has never been back there where the thought
43:45
Speaker 1: that if he holds the ball too long or if
43:47
Speaker 1: he steps up in the pocket, a three h pound
43:49
Speaker 1: defensive tackle is gonna hit him as hard as he
43:51
Speaker 1: can right in the chest as he's delivering it. I mean,
43:54
Speaker 1: that's definitely is seven on seven. One good thing Tony
44:00
Speaker 1: Uh we talked about j J Walk coming in, is
44:03
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars did a pretty good job on j
44:05
Speaker 1: J the last time in the last matchup. Yeah, Whitney
44:09
Speaker 1: Merciless was the one that I think had a pretty
44:13
Speaker 1: significant impact in that ball game. And as of right now,
44:17
Speaker 1: Whitney Merciless is not playing in this game against the Jaguars.
44:22
Speaker 1: So positive. Yeah, let's come back to We'll get into
44:27
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44:31
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44:34
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44:38
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48:17
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48:21
Speaker 1: hope everybody's healthy over there. Uh. You know, I don't
48:25
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48:27
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48:33
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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans COVID nineteen situation and welcome back to
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour On this Thursday, JP Shadrick, Jeff Flagman,
48:53
Speaker 1: Tony was elly with us as well. The Texans have
48:56
Speaker 1: placed three linebackers on the COVID nineteen reserve list. Jacob
49:00
Speaker 1: Martin tested positive for COVID nineteen reportedly, but linebackers Whitney
49:06
Speaker 1: Merciless and Dylan Cole will also miss this week's game.
49:09
Speaker 1: They must test negative for five days in a row
49:12
Speaker 1: because of contact tracing, so three linebackers not available for
49:16
Speaker 1: the Texans this week against the Jaguars, and now of
49:19
Speaker 1: course concerns about the status of the game as well.
49:23
Speaker 1: Romeo Cornell said today that the league wants to play
49:26
Speaker 1: the game if possible, and they'll wait until tomorrow before
49:29
Speaker 1: making a decision at the latest Saturday, when the Texans travel.
49:33
Speaker 1: So still some question marks, guys about this game. But um,
49:37
Speaker 1: you know, three linebackers not coming, that's a that's a
49:40
Speaker 1: big chunk on that defensive sidebogs. Yeah, and and I
49:44
Speaker 1: will say that JP, I mean the three linebackers you're
49:46
Speaker 1: talking about, the one that supposedly tested positive with Jacob Martin,
49:51
Speaker 1: and then you have the the high UH incidents of
49:55
Speaker 1: contact with Whitney Merciless and Dylan Cole. So that's three.
49:59
Speaker 1: But then go to a fourth linebacker, which is Kyle
50:03
Speaker 1: Emmanuel who did not practice the last couple of days
50:06
Speaker 1: because of a concussion. So in reality, they could be
50:09
Speaker 1: short four linebackers, three of them due to COVID, one
50:12
Speaker 1: of them because of a concussion. So that would leave
50:15
Speaker 1: the Texans with Zack Cunningham, UH, Peter Colombay, Tyrrell Adams,
50:22
Speaker 1: Jonathan Greening, and Brendan Scarlett. But you gotta remember now,
50:26
Speaker 1: I mean some of these guys are like hybrid defensive
50:28
Speaker 1: end linebackers that are not true linebackers. So the Texans
50:32
Speaker 1: are gonna have to dip into that practice squad I
50:34
Speaker 1: would imagine for this Jaguars game this weekend. Yeah, big change, Tony,
50:40
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll see you the next day or
50:42
Speaker 1: so if there's any more positives that pop up down there.
50:45
Speaker 1: Hopefully not, Hopefully this game goes on a schedule this week.
50:49
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean you hope, so I mean number one,
50:51
Speaker 1: you hope no one's getting sick, and you hope everyone's
50:53
Speaker 1: all right there. Um, and the you know, the league
50:57
Speaker 1: wants to play this game. They want to play all
50:58
Speaker 1: the games here because you're running out you know, teams
51:00
Speaker 1: with by weeks. We've already had our bye week. So
51:02
Speaker 1: now if you don't play this game, you're moving it
51:05
Speaker 1: to a Week eight team. I mean you're moving it
51:07
Speaker 1: out or you're doing something. I mean, you're you're I
51:10
Speaker 1: don't know if you can just because both teams are
51:12
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs. I maybe just cancel it. I mean,
51:14
Speaker 1: how do you do it? But you have draft order,
51:15
Speaker 1: I mean, you have so many different things going on
51:17
Speaker 1: that it becomes a real issue looking at the overall standing.
51:22
Speaker 1: So imagine they'll play it unless there's a big outbreak
51:25
Speaker 1: at the Texans if it continues and they're gonna be
51:27
Speaker 1: forced to shut down the game. But I would plan on.
51:32
Speaker 1: My guess is they'll play. But the other interesting thing
51:34
Speaker 1: guy guys around the game, you know, is you have
51:37
Speaker 1: the COVID issue, which is, you know, first and foremost
51:39
Speaker 1: making sure that everyone's healthy. But Florida George is gonna
51:42
Speaker 1: be playing on the field on Saturday and it's seventies
51:45
Speaker 1: pent chance of rain. You know. One of the concerns
51:47
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about and worrying about is what's that
51:49
Speaker 1: field look like. You know, if if Florida and Georgia
51:53
Speaker 1: tear it up, um and you know, to no fault
51:56
Speaker 1: of their own, just because of the rain. If you
51:58
Speaker 1: get a heavy rain for on Saturday, it could make
52:01
Speaker 1: it for interesting playing conditions on Sunday. Yeah, I'm looking
52:06
Speaker 1: at the weather forecast and I got tony it was
52:09
Speaker 1: about so hopefully it is more and what I'm looking
52:12
Speaker 1: at versus what you're you're describing. One of the things. Yeah,
52:17
Speaker 1: one of the things about the COVID situation that I
52:19
Speaker 1: had mentioned a while ago, and I'm kind of surprised
52:22
Speaker 1: that the league didn't even take a look at this
52:24
Speaker 1: or there wasn't any conversation about this, because Tony you
52:28
Speaker 1: mentioned how okay, now that both teams have had their bys,
52:31
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do if something happens, and and
52:33
Speaker 1: JP you had mentioned that as well earlier. I thought
52:37
Speaker 1: that every opportunity with teams um going into a bye weeks.
52:42
Speaker 1: Perfect example is the Jaguars Texans. If the Jaguars and
52:46
Speaker 1: Texans have a bye week and they share it and
52:49
Speaker 1: they're playing together coming out of that bye week, play
52:53
Speaker 1: it now like last week they should have played it
52:55
Speaker 1: last week. Then it would give if teams are healthy,
52:58
Speaker 1: just because okay, the more bye weeks that you can
53:02
Speaker 1: save kind of getting towards the end of the season,
53:06
Speaker 1: the more flexibility that you have to maybe jumble things
53:10
Speaker 1: around and move things around. And I'm surprised that the
53:13
Speaker 1: league uh didn't take advantage of that once again here
53:17
Speaker 1: in this instance, because both the Texans and the Jaguars
53:20
Speaker 1: had to buy this past weekend. And the other thing,
53:24
Speaker 1: I mean, you wonder could they move the game like
53:27
Speaker 1: they have before moving to Monday night or Tuesday night
53:29
Speaker 1: type of thing to give the Texans more time to
53:32
Speaker 1: go through the testing protocols and get guys back healthy.
53:35
Speaker 1: Um if if it forks out with that five day window,
53:38
Speaker 1: so you know, we'll find out more tomorrow. Um and uh,
53:42
Speaker 1: we'll see where this thing goes. But you know, with
53:44
Speaker 1: COVID cases ticking up everywhere and around the country, this
53:48
Speaker 1: is gonna be something the NFL has have to deal
53:49
Speaker 1: with weekend and week out. I'm fraid yeah. And one
53:53
Speaker 1: thing here, JP the league is dealing with to one
53:58
Speaker 1: win football teams here, and I think the flexibility as
54:03
Speaker 1: long as the teams can feel fifty three or however
54:07
Speaker 1: many for game day by utilizing their practice squad elevations,
54:12
Speaker 1: the league is going to say the game must be played.
54:14
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I don't think they're gonna try to
54:17
Speaker 1: maneuver anything else around or have any special considerations for
54:21
Speaker 1: this game. The word is, we're told that the Texans
54:26
Speaker 1: are practicing today, but they're in intensive protocol just like
54:30
Speaker 1: the Jaguars were the week of the Chargers games, so
54:34
Speaker 1: virtual meetings. But at least so far today practice has
54:38
Speaker 1: been normal for the Houston Texans let's look around the
54:41
Speaker 1: a f C South games on the docket this week
54:44
Speaker 1: and we'll see how good the Colts are Johnny five
54:48
Speaker 1: and two. They're hosting the Baltimore Ravens also at five
54:51
Speaker 1: and two this week. What do you think about that game? Well,
54:54
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting if strength against strength at Colts defense
54:57
Speaker 1: pretty day good and they're done good job all year.
55:00
Speaker 1: They're gonna face the Baltimore Ravens, who can run the ball.
55:04
Speaker 1: We know that. I mean, they gashed the Steelers and
55:07
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for a bunch of turnovers by Lamar
55:09
Speaker 1: Jackson in the passing and probably would have beat the Steelers. Um,
55:12
Speaker 1: So you know, you gotta load up and it'll be
55:14
Speaker 1: interesting to see how the Colts defend them. I think
55:17
Speaker 1: that right now, with the way that the passing game
55:19
Speaker 1: for the Ravens is going, I think Lamar we am
55:21
Speaker 1: not seeing a step forward like we did last year
55:23
Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson. He has been a little bit shaky
55:26
Speaker 1: from the pocket. So I think they're gonna do everything
55:28
Speaker 1: they can to load up and forced Lamar Jackson to
55:30
Speaker 1: beat him from the pocket. Yeah, and the wide receiver
55:34
Speaker 1: in Baltimore Brown is not very happy because he's not
55:38
Speaker 1: getting the ball. Lamar Jackson hasn't taken that next up up.
55:41
Speaker 1: You know, interesting too, the cults have been affected by
55:44
Speaker 1: the COVID situation as well. Uh if I remember reading correctly, today,
55:50
Speaker 1: they practiced and because they had a positive test with
55:54
Speaker 1: a staff member that they are practicing, and then after
55:57
Speaker 1: that they are doing the meeting than everything else remotely
56:02
Speaker 1: because of a staff member being tested positive. So it's amazing.
56:07
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if you guys have
56:09
Speaker 1: seen some of the the uptick in the COVID cases
56:12
Speaker 1: across the nation, but I think we're seeing some of
56:14
Speaker 1: that also kind of being reflected in the National Football
56:17
Speaker 1: League because I just don't remember as many issues popping
56:21
Speaker 1: up early in the season, is what we're seeing now
56:23
Speaker 1: with the situation. The Bears and the Titans meet in
56:31
Speaker 1: Nashville this week. Bears at five and three, Titans at
56:34
Speaker 1: five and two. Who you like in this one, Tony Well?
56:38
Speaker 1: And I was shocked last week that the Titans played
56:40
Speaker 1: so poorly against the Bengals. I mean, I thought that
56:42
Speaker 1: was a perfect game for them to go out there
56:44
Speaker 1: and run the ball, but their defense has been so
56:46
Speaker 1: poor that made the trade for Desmond King from the
56:49
Speaker 1: Charges this week they got rid of Pick Beasley has
56:51
Speaker 1: really done nothing for them except for take cast some
56:54
Speaker 1: big paychecks. Um and so, but this is I think
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Speaker 1: we're the Titans can get healthy defensively, defensively at least
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Speaker 1: because the Bears are atrocious on the offenses out of
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Speaker 1: the ball. The problem is they're going to get some
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Speaker 1: really good Bears defense were of the better units in
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Speaker 1: the NFL, led by gluil Mack and McKey, um and
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Speaker 1: Hicks the interior defensive alignment. So, um, I think it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a really good football game. It'll be interesting
57:17
Speaker 1: to get strength against strength, weakness against weakness, so it'll
57:20
Speaker 1: be a good matchup. Yeah, Nick Foles is just he's
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Speaker 1: not very good, and uh, you know, they made the
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Speaker 1: major switch from Trabinsky to Nick Boles and Nick Foles
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Speaker 1: not great. And I think the the interesting matchup of that.
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's always interesting to watch Derrick Henry against
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Speaker 1: a great defense, but seeing how Nick Foles and the
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Speaker 1: Bears offense plays against that Titans defense is also that.
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Speaker 1: It's a great matchup. And I'll take the titles. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think you know interesting thing, Jeff about you mentioned
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Speaker 1: Dick Folds not playing very good. You know, the Bears
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Speaker 1: have better offensive numbers under Trabinsky than they do under Folds.
57:59
Speaker 1: But Risky went and had his shoulder looked at. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I think this week he has some damage, so my
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Speaker 1: guess is he won't be coming back. But yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: a bad They're not very good. And uh, I think
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Speaker 1: the Titans get healthy this week. Can figure it out alright, guys,
58:15
Speaker 1: about a minute left here, final thought about the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Texans game. What's your gut telling you, Tony, I actually
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Speaker 1: have no feeling for this one, JP, because I don't
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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get at. Jake Luten. I mean now,
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Speaker 1: because the Texans defense is so decimated. Hopefully the offensive
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Speaker 1: line has a big day. Give it to James Robinson,
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Speaker 1: but you have to Shaun Watson. We have yet in
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Speaker 1: the last six games stopped anybody from scoring thirty plus points,
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Speaker 1: so I think they're gonna have to keep it under
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Speaker 1: thirty to win. J C. I'm taking the Jaguars just
58:45
Speaker 1: because the toa factor. Just like the Miami Dolphins got
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Speaker 1: a new quarterback, everybody else rallied and played well. And uh,
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Speaker 1: and you saw the Dolphins end up winning, even though
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Speaker 1: two or through for less than a hundred yards. I
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Speaker 1: think so. I think he could something similar to that
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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars as a team. Well all right, I
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Speaker 1: like it. Jeff Logaman picking the Jags this week, Tony.
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Speaker 1: We will talk to you a little bit later in
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Speaker 1: the week. Have a good one, all right. Tell Douga
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Speaker 1: said hello, We'll do it, Tony Vaselli out of here.
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