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Halloween Thunderdome · Presented by Speaking Human

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  Speaker 1: In a world where movies rely on marketing more than
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  Speaker 1: ever to connect with audiences, one podcast aims to make
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  Speaker 1: sense of it all. This is movies and marketing. Next
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  Speaker 1: Saturday Night, where's sending that to the future? Go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: make my day? How about now? You're crazy Dutch bastard.
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  Speaker 2: What we've got here is failure Milgate.
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  Speaker 1: Take them around. We're as crosshall of how for we
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  Speaker 1: might be as well with them.
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  Speaker 2: I am an fv I agent.
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  Speaker 1: So Halloween, Halloween coming at us. It's the spooky time
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  Speaker 1: of year.
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  Speaker 2: It's here, it's close, you can feel it. It's getting
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  Speaker 2: eerie out there.
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  Speaker 1: I envision the listener right now, October thirty first, just
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  Speaker 1: sitting there, hanging out, listening to our soothing and yet
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  Speaker 1: often sultry voices, dulcet tones. Yeah, and you're thinking to yourself,
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  Speaker 1: what do they mean? It's almost hear it is here, Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: I envision the listener. They're like sitting in their easy chair.
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  Speaker 2: They got like their big, you know, headphones on, beats
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  Speaker 2: by dre. Perhaps they're just kind of sitting back. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh right, a new episode's kicking in. Put the headphones on,
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  Speaker 2: you know, lean back, they don't see behind them a
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  Speaker 2: masked killer creeping up slowly, so quietly as they're just
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  Speaker 2: laughing along, enjoying the show.
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  Speaker 1: You like, turn around right there, right there, he's behind you.
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  Speaker 1: So if that's you, just crane your neck, take a
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  Speaker 1: glance back, Yeah, just in case, or just sit there
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  Speaker 1: and make sure you have a mirror that you can
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  Speaker 1: see behind you at all times. Yeah, I sit in
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  Speaker 1: with don't let anybody creep up on you like that,
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  Speaker 1: given that it's Halloween. So to start us off tonight.
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  Speaker 1: In the original Child's play from nineteen eighty eight, remember
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  Speaker 1: all the way back then, what real world toy line
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  Speaker 1: inspired the design and marketing of the good guy doll
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  Speaker 1: that Chucky inhabits.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good question, and a you know, very marketing
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  Speaker 2: related question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I know it.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want the multiple choice.
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  Speaker 2: And last time I know I did this, you were
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  Speaker 2: confident and I dove right in and now you're like
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  Speaker 2: dead wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, noop, I think you'll get it this
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  Speaker 1: time without the multiple choice.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I thought I knew it. Now I'm like backing
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  Speaker 2: up a little bit because now I'm like, there's two
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  Speaker 2: things on my mind. Here. Okay, so now I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I don't know it, so maybe I should take
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  Speaker 2: the multiple choice. But I'll tell you up front the
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  Speaker 2: two things that I'm thinking about. Okay, the first thing
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  Speaker 2: that came to my mind was My Buddy, which was
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  Speaker 2: like a doll that was like your friend. But then
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  Speaker 2: the second thing that came to my mind was Teddy
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  Speaker 2: rock Spin, which was like a talking teddy bear.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so are those both in the multiple choice?
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  Speaker 1: Both of those are in the multiple choice? Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: then I'll give you the multiple choice and then you
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  Speaker 1: could decide, Yeah, is it a my Buddy b This
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  Speaker 1: one's good. Cabbage Patch kids, those were scary. See Teddy
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  Speaker 1: Rockspin who talked and also turned on by himself.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds weird when you say turned on by himself.
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  Speaker 1: It was a spooky ass bear. Yeah, Ordze Kid's sister,
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  Speaker 1: which was really kind of the My Buddy counterpart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah female my Buddy right, mm hmm, jeez. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: still in the same jam here. I'm trying to think timeline,
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  Speaker 2: like when did my Buddy come out? I feel like
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  Speaker 2: my younger brother had a My Buddy sometime in the
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  Speaker 2: early nineties, so was that later maybe Teddy Rouxspin was first.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going with rock Spin here, even though my first
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  Speaker 2: instinct was my buddy, I'm gonna go with Rocksbin, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna go against myself.
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably screwed. Go ahead, what is it? You're right it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was my buddy. You had it right, see you
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  Speaker 1: second guess yourself? I did I did?
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  Speaker 2: You know that's a perfect picture of how my mind works.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I got it.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, wait, well, it's understandable after the
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  Speaker 1: last time you came hard with confidence. Yeah, you're like,
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  Speaker 1: no multiple choice on know this pop tarts? And then
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  Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's egg offfles.
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  Speaker 2: And Teddy Rouxman and my buddy were so close and
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  Speaker 2: both along the same lines, you know, because Chucky does talk.
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  Speaker 1: He does Chucky right. Obviously heavily based on Hasbro's My
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  Speaker 1: Buddy dolls from the eighties, but as you kind of
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  Speaker 1: dig through, the doll was also inspired by a real,
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  Speaker 1: supposedly haunted doll named Robert the Doll. This doll was
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  Speaker 1: gifted to a boy named Robert Eugene Otto in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: o six, So this is very old and it's rumored
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  Speaker 1: to have been cursed. So a little bit of it
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  Speaker 1: is based on that doll. If you see the picture
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  Speaker 1: of that doll, creepy af I mean, looks a lot
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  Speaker 1: like Chucky. But the overalls and everything else were based
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  Speaker 1: around my buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think all dolls are probably creepy and haunted.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know a lady who like collects those porcelain dolls,
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  Speaker 1: and we used to go to her house, and it
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  Speaker 1: was she would have them sitting around the house and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, no, I gotta go, I can't stay here.
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  Speaker 2: One of our neighbors was like having a garage there
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  Speaker 2: one time and gave some to my daughter and then
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  Speaker 2: she like put them in a room and then was
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  Speaker 2: like within one day, like take these out of my
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  Speaker 2: So they like are in our attic somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's the scariest part that they're lurking there somewhere
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  Speaker 1: and you don't know that they're still there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. They could have escaped or they could be
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  Speaker 1: doing whatever. That's probably why some people keep them out
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  Speaker 1: so they could see them, know exactly where they're at.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good lead in though, you know, talking
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  Speaker 2: about Chucky, one of our big horror villains. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: right now, he's on Fante commercials. Yeah, you know, so
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  Speaker 2: he's just continuing to be in the culture. So we
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of these iconic horror movie villains, so
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  Speaker 2: many in fact, that we said, maybe it's time for
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  Speaker 2: them to have a showdown, Maybe it's time to find
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  Speaker 2: out who's really.
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  Speaker 1: The top dog.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we decided to chuck them into what we
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  Speaker 2: like to call a thunderdome. And that's what's going to
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  Speaker 2: happen here today.
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  Speaker 1: Now. For those of you who may not.
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  Speaker 2: Have listened to every episode of the show, or if
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  Speaker 2: you're not familiar with the nineteen eighty five film Mad
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  Speaker 2: Max Beyond Thunderdome, you may be wondering, what the hell
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  Speaker 2: is a thund underdome? Well, pretty simple. Inside the Thunderdome,
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  Speaker 2: you have a fight to the death. So, as they
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  Speaker 2: say in the movie, two men enter, one man leaves. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: when you go in, only one person's walking out, a
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  Speaker 2: battle royale. In our case, today, we have eight beings, entities,
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  Speaker 2: villains going in and only one of them can emerge
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  Speaker 2: as the champion of frights. Oh I like that, A
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  Speaker 2: champion of frights. I said it so we're going to
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  Speaker 2: find out who that is. In today's Halloween Thunderdome. We've
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  Speaker 2: got in this eight horror movie icons. As I mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to face off at individual battles until where
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  Speaker 2: we wean that down to one. Let's introduce our contestants
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  Speaker 2: for the listeners, Patrick, do you want to start us off? Here?
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  Speaker 1: Go run us through the line. Yeah. So we've got eight.
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  Speaker 1: As Shad said, Number one is Michael Myers from the
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  Speaker 1: movie series Halloween. You might know it iconically by the music.
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  Speaker 1: Also Jason Vorhees from the movie series Friday the Thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: It's number two. Number three Freddy Krueger from the movie
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  Speaker 1: series One Nightmare on Elm Street. And then we have
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  Speaker 1: Penny Wise. Number four from the movie series It Stephen King.
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  Speaker 1: Five is Chucky, none other than the one that sort
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  Speaker 1: of led us into the episode from the movie series
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  Speaker 1: Child's Play. Number six is the Zeno morph from the
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  Speaker 1: movie series Alien. Number seven is leather Face from the
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  Speaker 1: movie series The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And then number eight
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  Speaker 1: Hazuzu say it again with me, Hzuzu Suzu so much
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  Speaker 1: fun to say, from the movie series The Exorcist. That's right,
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  Speaker 1: it's the demon who possesses the child. So that's the eight.
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  Speaker 1: It does seem like it's male centric.
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  Speaker 2: It does, which you know, as we know, makes sense
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  Speaker 2: if you look at the serial killer lineup in history.
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  Speaker 1: This is good because I think we've got some good
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  Speaker 1: pair offs. You know, we've got a few rounds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the first round, you know, we've got
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  Speaker 2: some one on ones, and then from there, the winners
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  Speaker 2: of those rounds will then face each other in round two. Finally,
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  Speaker 2: in round three, we're gonna just be left with two finalists.
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  Speaker 2: Whoever takes the other person out there, we're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: our champion.
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  Speaker 1: So how do you win around?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? What's the criteria here? Pretty loose.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that we're figuring this out as we go.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're just gonna talk through these but it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna involve several factors, probably the strength of the character
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  Speaker 2: of the villain, like what they can actually do, but
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  Speaker 2: also of the franchise and their place in pop culture.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's going to play a part too, Maybe
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  Speaker 2: some wild card things we're not even thinking about yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of aspects to each character, more
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  Speaker 1: than you would imagine just you know, surface level, like
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  Speaker 1: you know that they kind of come up. They're scary,
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  Speaker 1: they kill people, but there's a lot to them. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of depth there, I think, more than you
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  Speaker 1: would imagine. And we'll talk a little bit about that
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  Speaker 1: in the episode. I think I think so too.
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  Speaker 2: So let's get to our first matchup here, which is
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  Speaker 2: a humdinger, and that is Michael Myers versus Pazzuzu. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you could ask for a better first
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  Speaker 2: matchup than this one. This is this is strong, this
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  Speaker 2: is tough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you have a guy who's great at
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  Speaker 1: stabbing people, an unstoppable killer, some would say yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: then you have the Pazzuzu. You know, he's capable of
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  Speaker 1: possessions what people call a corporeal threat.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds good, so obviously, you know, Michael Myers, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: referred to as the Shape or the Boogeyman, has the
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  Speaker 2: signature movie franchise of Halloween. Halloween once the highest grossing
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  Speaker 2: independent movie of all time at one point. What is
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  Speaker 2: most impressive to me, though, I think, is the estimated number.
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  Speaker 1: Of kills for this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, some place him at one hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 2: to one hundred and sixty kills in total across his films.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's accurate, but that's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of kills.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a ton of kills. And then you have
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  Speaker 1: Pazuzu from The Exorcist.
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  Speaker 2: Great Legacy, considered one of the scariest movies of all
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  Speaker 2: time h Oscar nominated movie. This was like a you know,
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  Speaker 2: phenomenon when it came out, and still, I mean it
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  Speaker 2: still holds up. This pretty pretty terrifying movie.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing scarier than demonic possession and also just demons
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  Speaker 1: in general, right, because it's it's more of the unseen, unknowable. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some people aren't scared by some guy coming around with
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  Speaker 1: a knife and because you know, just run. How do
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  Speaker 1: you run from a demon.
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  Speaker 2: Something that's inside of you? Yeah, And that's really Pazuzu's power.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if these two are fighting, technically, can't Pazuzu
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  Speaker 2: just get inside of Michael Myers possess him.
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  Speaker 1: See that's interesting to me. Possesses him, makes him stab himself.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's terrifying. I could be wrong, but he
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  Speaker 1: might be scared.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is the tough one Halloween and Michael
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  Speaker 2: Myers just has such a huge imprint. I mean people
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  Speaker 2: still wear this costume all the time. The mask based
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  Speaker 2: on William Shatner mask, by the way, very just well known.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like the Exorcist lives on and Pazuzu
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  Speaker 2: the possession wildcard.
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  Speaker 1: I might go Pazuzu here. There's something about the the
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  Speaker 1: horror of the cosmic possession if you will over you know,
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  Speaker 1: just a street slasher.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know, talking a little smack on Myers, who
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  Speaker 2: is unstoppable. He's not your everyday killer.
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  Speaker 1: True, but he also had a cast that made him popular.
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis, Yeah, that's true. Pezusu didn't need a
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  Speaker 1: cast like that to be scary. We've given it to Pazuzu.
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  Speaker 1: I think we are I think is taking it a
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  Speaker 1: huge upset the spiritual versus the physical.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Pazuzu advancing to round two?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: Who we got in our second matchup?
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  Speaker 1: Patrick? All right? So in our second matchup we got
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  Speaker 1: Jason Vorhees versus leather Face.
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  Speaker 2: He's scary because he doesn't have theme music.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just got chainsaw.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a chainsaw and he's real gritty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, down and dirty.
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  Speaker 2: That is the source of the fear and the Texas
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  Speaker 2: chainsaw Maskers. You watch it and you're watching something a
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  Speaker 2: little bit where you're like, oh, this feels it's so grimy.
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  Speaker 2: It's made on such like a low budget level. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this kind of feels like a little
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  Speaker 2: too real. Yeah, so unpolished just makes me uncomfortable. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why I think Text Chainsaw Masker to me is
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  Speaker 2: one of the scarier horror.
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  Speaker 1: Movies leather Face. He's pretty brutal. I would say that
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  Speaker 1: also goes for Jason Boy's. When I was a kid,
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  Speaker 1: we were watching this in our house, right, must be
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  Speaker 1: an HBO at the time. And he comes upon a
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  Speaker 1: campsite and they're all screaming, freaking out, and the one
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  Speaker 1: girl gets inside of her sleeping bag and he swings
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  Speaker 1: the sleeping bag around in the air and hits there
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  Speaker 1: against a tree. It was both terrifying but also kind
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  Speaker 1: of funny, you know, in a very twisted a way.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny. I apologize to those who think, how
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  Speaker 1: could you think that's funny? That it is not funny? Patrick, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was kind of funny at the time.
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  Speaker 1: So you might have the advantage there.
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  Speaker 2: You got something there. Jason is almost the ultimate popcorn killer. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean the hockey mask. Everybody knows. I mean the
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  Speaker 2: sequels got so ridiculous after a while. He went space.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he took Manhattan. He's kind of indestructible.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I ding him a little bit for that, but that's
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  Speaker 1: also kind of his appeal. Here's where Jason has the
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  Speaker 1: advantage for me is that leather face. While he's rage
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  Speaker 1: full and he's unpredictable, Jason his iconic status. The hockey
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  Speaker 1: mask is almost synonymous with Halloween, where it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't get a lot of leather face costumes, you
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  Speaker 1: don't get a lot of leather faces on how No,
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  Speaker 1: cause it's kind of disturbing and sick.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually scarier and it's more terrifying. But it's not again,
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  Speaker 2: it's not as like fun.
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  Speaker 1: The hockey mask is a symbol of terror. So I
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  Speaker 1: would probably give this to Jason Vorhes. I'm with you
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  Speaker 1: on this.
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  Speaker 2: Even though I think Texas chainsawm Masking the better movie
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  Speaker 2: the original, I think Jason has just more pop culture power,
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  Speaker 2: maybe the most of any of these guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, theater merch too. I was just at the movie
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  Speaker 1: theater and they have Chucky Jason Michael Myers on these
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  Speaker 1: different cups.
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  Speaker 2: I saw Michael Myers popcorn buckets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, his good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So Jason advancing in this one, so he's going to
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  Speaker 2: round two our next one. We got another icon, Freddy
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  Speaker 2: Krueger versus the xeno Morph.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't know who the xeno morph is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the xenomorph is the alien from the movie Alien Aliens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, five or six sequels after that,
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  Speaker 1: and the recent team issue, yeah, Alien Earth, which is
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  Speaker 1: actually pretty good. I gotta say. Yeah. So here we
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  Speaker 1: got Freddy Krueger. If you remember from Nightmare on Elm Street,
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  Speaker 1: he kills people in their dreams. Mostly he fights them
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  Speaker 1: in their dreams. Hmm. Xenomorphs probably don't dream, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't really know how that would work out.
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  Speaker 2: I was telling my wife about this, you know, this thunderdome,
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  Speaker 2: what we were doing here, and her big question was,
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  Speaker 2: or are they fighting? She's like, do any of these
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  Speaker 2: people sleep? You know, because that's Freddy Krueger's power. I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: are they all kind of gonna sleep? State?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the alien might be the exception to that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the other Killers they're kind of dead
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  Speaker 1: or they're like spirits or something like that. Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I think that the xenomorph might have I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, and the.
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  Speaker 2: Xenomorph does sleep though there's a resting state I suppose.
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  Speaker 1: But would Freddy have the upper hand? Would he even
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  Speaker 1: know how to enter the dream of a xenomorph?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean can't speak to whether they dream
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  Speaker 2: or not, but I think there's been times where they've
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  Speaker 2: been found you know, resting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Freddy's powers, right, they rely on fear and imagination.
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  Speaker 2: M hm.
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  Speaker 1: Xenomorphs, I don't know, man, do they have that?
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  Speaker 2: I will say the Nightmare at Elm Street series was
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  Speaker 2: my favorite of the Killer ones because they were the
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  Speaker 2: most creative in the fact that he could go into
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  Speaker 2: the dreams and like alter everything. Weird things would happen there.
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  Speaker 2: The Kills were super creative. Make my arms super long
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  Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna grab you and you know, rip
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: you to pieces. Things like that kind of like anything
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: could happen in that world.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I really liked that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that helps him in this way,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: but of that time. You know, in the eighties nineties,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: he was probably the most popular. You know, we're talking
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: about Halloween again. His costume still lives on. Don't see
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of xenomorphs out there. That true, He's like
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: adjacent in that way. But the power of the xenomorph,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is why nobody's really defeated them in
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the movies.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pure instinct, acid, blood popping out of you. You know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: they're different forms, yeah, you know, and it habits you
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: inside of you. What if an alien got inside of Freddy, Yeah, yeah,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: pops out and becomes part Freddy right at that point,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: then it has mind powers for people's dreams. Oh, unstoppable.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And if you look back Nightmare on Elm Streep versus Alien,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what their box office did, but I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: feel like Alien might be the winner in that case.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I think Nightmare Elm Streep was popular, but Alien the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: first one, the second one, these were like phenomenon. These
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: were like one hundred million plus grosers. Yeah, so all
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: in all, the franchise probably made more money.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And if you could count a downside of that, it
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: would be that, like Halloween, it needed a cast to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: make that happen. So Courney Weaver is really the Jamie
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Lee Curtis, Yeah, the Jamie Lee Curtis of that movie franchise.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But I think in a real life fight, the Xenomorph wins. Right.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know how Freddy dies. Everybody falls asleep, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that works against the xeno morph,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's a bad matchup for Freddy. Yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I think Freddy just got unlucky.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just got tough. One first round and you're out,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes that's the way it goes.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, two men enter, one zino morph leaves.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Xenomorph another upset, advancing to the next round.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: All right, Our final first round matchup pits penny Wise
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: versus Chucky, a clown.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Versus a doll. Yeah, it's probably the most fun matchup,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I think, out of all of them, because you've got
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: this evil clown versus a murderous doll. I mean, how
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: much fun would that be to see? I would love
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to see that movie, to be honest. If you could
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: pit those two, not Predator versus Alien or Jason versus whoever,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Chucky versus penny Wise, it'd be the funniest it would
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: be Chucky. You know, my thing with him was always
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: just kick him. Yeah, but estimated number of kills. You know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: he's had a lot of movies, fifty plus kills. This
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: is across you know, the child's play movies, Bride of Chuckie,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Seed of Chucky, Curse of Chucky, Cult of Chucky, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: of course he had his own series too, and he's
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: got a wife. Yeah, Bride of Chucky. I mean the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: fact that the doll got married has a sinister bride
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to help him. I think they both rely on deception tricks. Yeah, yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that's a good point and surprise. So they both have
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: these twisted sense of humor and that what makes it
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: a fun matchup because watching them sort of like play
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: tricks on each other and mess with each other would
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: be interesting.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: But could they do any of their signature things to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: each other like penny Wise, you know, like plays on
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: people's fears, right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, does Chucky have fears?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: No?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think he does. And here's the other thing.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Pennywise has been defeated by kids, and Chucky's is a
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: kid's toy.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chucky also has the soul of a serial killer
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: in him, so he I think would probably sneak up
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: on penny Wise in some way. Penny Wise is probably like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this stupid doll out in two seconds.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And going back to your point, is like his sole
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: power is really fear, playing off fear. When he was defeated,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: it was because they weren't afraid of him, and if
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Chucky's not afraid of him, he'd immediately lose.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: He's got nothing. And Chucky's kind of thing is like
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I'm pretending like I'm a friendly doll, which could work
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: on penny Wise. Yeah, please don't hurt me, clown.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then his bride comes into Yeah, slit's his throat,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: which wouldn't be a fair matchup, but you know, who's
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to say with these villains, Yeah, I don't know.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: If they care about fair matchups. So Chucky taking out
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: penny Wise surprising. It's all around. You know, I didn't
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: know it was gonna happen here today, but I'm just
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: surprised already by what's happening. So advancing to round two,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: we've got Pazuzu, Jason, the Xena Morph, and Chucky. We're
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: losing Michael Meyer's leather Face, Freddy and Pennywise, some big
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: icons down already.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now you should be really on the edge of
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: your seat. Yeah, now, it gets serious looking behind you
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: most of the time. Take a quick peek, just make
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: sure this is our intermission break. Take a look behind you,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and we're back, all right. Round two.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: The first matchup is Pazuzu versus Chucky m okay, which
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: technically we've got a demon versus a possessed doll. Right, Yeah,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Chucky's kind of like a demon inside of a doll,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: so it's kind of like a demon versus demon.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And this could go one of two ways. Could Bazuzu
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: overtake the other demon inside of Chucky possession and then
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: possess him, or is that slot already filled and he
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: can't and therefore Chucky's fighting a spirit who has no form.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: What would Chucky do then, I don't know. He would
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: try to cut his ankles, you know, his his spirit ankles. Yeah, so,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Pazuzu kind of comes up
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: on top here. I think so too.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I think Chuck's a little bit out of luck. I think,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're looking at the Exorcist, Exorcist just
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: swallows up child's play hole.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, child's play wasn't winning any awards.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: No, The Exorcist approximately four hundred and forty one million
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: worldwide nineteen seventy.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Three, four hundred and forty one Yeah, really nineteen seventy
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: three too? Is that adjusted? I have no idea. Yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: why are you asking me these kind of questions?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: God?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Let's see now this looks like well, according to I'm
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: getting different number. According to box office Mojo, I got
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: four hundred and thirty worldwide, two hundred and thirty three domestic.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Those are some insane numbers.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like fifty billion dollars today. That's my math.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It was a phenomenon number one movie of nineteen seventy three.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Pazuzu I think comes out swinging, kills Chucky immediately,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Chucky dead on arrival.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Our next matchup, in round two, we've got Jason versus
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the Zena one. Jason, your boy. He killed Kevin Bacon
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: with an arrow to the.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Throat underneath the bed too, I think under the bed.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or was that his mother? I was somebody?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: But also one of those things where does Jason lose
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: some points? Because pretty sure his mom was killing people.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: His mom did kill a lot of people in the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: first one. You know, when your mom's doing some of your.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Work, that's a giveaway that maybe you're not up to
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the task of killing a xenomorph, an alien from another
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: planet that can be like a parasite, get inside your body,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: explode out of your chest. I mean, are you then unstoppable?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Well, let's throw this out there. Jason, you know, often
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: dies at the end of the movie and comes back.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So can he even be killed? Yeah, Xenomorphs
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: can be killed. They can be killed. They have been killed,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: though there's just more of it, you know, they lay
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the eggs. Yeah, so that's a good point, and maybe
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: ten points in Jason's favor is that if he can't
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: be killed, if he can be you know, resurrected or
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: whatever it is that's happening, that might definitely defeat the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: xenomorph who can be killed.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason's strong. Jason can rip things apart. He could
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: stick a xenomorph in a sleeping bag and swinging around.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: He does. He has creative ways of killing people and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: potentially aliens. So I don't know, I'm being swung like
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a sleeping bag to the other side. Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Initially I was like, you know, acid blood, but yeah,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: once you take in that indestructibility, he's kind of a
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: little bit supernatural in that way.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he is part of what we called it
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Big three Slashers, Freddie, Michael and him m hm, the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore ooh, yeah, of killers again. Costume popularity. You
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: went back nobody's dressing up as a xenomorph.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: No, it's unfortunate you don't see a lot of them.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: How do you dress up as a xenomorph?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I mean it seems like an expensive costume versus a
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: hockey mask.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: It would I have seen at comic cons. I've seen
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: these elaborate things that they do with three D printing
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: now and it's crazy. But that's not the norm for
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: sure at Halloween, so not in my neighborhood. Jason, I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: think wins this.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's give it to Jason. Surprising. I mean, he
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: beats a leather face and then the xenomorph on the
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: road to the championship round where Jason now is going
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to be taking on Pazuzu. I don't know, you know
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: when we started that this is what I would have
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: expected in the end now, but it's.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: It feels right, it does honestly, Jason obviously unstoppable. He
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: gets resurrected. But then you have Bazuzu, who is a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: demon who possesses. And one is very serious and scary,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the other one is kind of funny and scary.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: They both have iconic songs. Oh yeah, Exorcists. I can't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: sing that one for you. It's like a chimy piano
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: type thing. Yeah, and it's and it's just eerie, right,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And then the other one was I mean, and that
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, you eveually your friends in
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the dark in the woods. Yeah, terrifying, just the sound.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Pazuzu, you know, who is a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: mess Atamian demon, Mesopotamian, Mussopotamian. We're not trying to be
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: scientific here, Shad.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: We're not archaeologists. If we are talking about legacy, the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Exorcist has struggled beyond the original. They keep making them
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to some extent, but I think they've struggled to really
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: leave an imprint beyond that initial movie, which you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: super huge, super big shadow. You know, all these Jason movies,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: even if they're kind of throwaway people like, I'm coming
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: for the coming for the sound, I'm coming for the kills.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I know what I'm gonna get. It's kind of funny,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: it's kind of goofy. Give me ten of these for
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: like ten years were pretty popular.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I know Michael Myers was credited with a
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: lot of kills, but I'm pretty sure Jason Vori He's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: has more kills than him.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Estimated at one fifty to one sixty three, Michael Myers
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: one thirty to one sixty. So he's probably the highest
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: on our list of kills.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Even if you count potentially some of his mom's kills, right, Yeah,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: even if some of his moms are in there.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Another challenge of Pazuzu is, you know, not really get
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the kills down. If you're going into your annual review,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: they might be like, are you really taking them out?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know that's not what the demon's trying
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to do, not necessarily like trying to just instantly kill people.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: How many kills is a soul worth? Yeah, so you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's going for straight up kills. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: think he's going for souls quality, not quantity, is what
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right, Okay, he's.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Also thrown his machete at somebody's head who's in a wheelchair,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: causing them to not only die, but then their wheelchair
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: goes backwards down a set of steps.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, just like in the Exorcist when the guy falls
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: down the stairs.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: So yeah, as far as like stare knocks go, that
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: might be better. He's frozen somebody's head and then smashed it.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah he has.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Let's see what else he's done. Pop somebody's eyeball out.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And he's also killed people in space? What demon could
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: do that? Demons don't go out of space.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Again, we go to could Pezuzu just possessed Jason potentially,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: But we're talking about Jason as this indestructible supernatural for
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: us who just comes back to life.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Plus you know again going to the uh Halloween costumes
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. The product placement. I think Jason
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: is he's winning. He's winning. Long story short, I think
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Jason might have this.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I think Jason might too. I think we're gonna have
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: to give it to Jason. I think Jason is the
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: ultimate ampion of frights. Walking out of the Halloween Thunderdome,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the only man alive.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Was that predictable. I was kind of rooting for Bazuzu
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: me too, and Pezuzu had a really good run. Pazuzu
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: barely made it in right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: You know. We considered some other candidates, like long Legs,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Jason I think is a top one. I don't know
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: that I would have picked Jason to win.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't have. But then like he comes out
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, ugh, once you see the body of work. Yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the body of Work. I like, hey, I like how
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you kind of scooted that in there. So, what's your
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: favorite slasher movie or horror movie? Like, out of any
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: of these maybe or not, any other movies that you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: would recommend?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Probably the Exorcist in Texas, Chainsaw Massacre of my favorite.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I really like the Nightmare on Elm Street series too.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: When I was younger, that was the one I was
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: like most intrigued by and kind of scared by as
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: a kid.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is it the Dreams? Is it the Dreams part? Yeah?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Just the creepiness of Freddy, you know what I mean.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It was like I had the kind of same thing
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: as Friday the Thirteenth, where it was like a little funny,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: but also when you're young and watching it, you're like,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: it's also just the tone of the music and like
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the way it looks. You know, it's also just a
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: little bit scary. You're like, this makes me feel.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: A little uneasy. What about you? I would probably say
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: The Exorcist if you're going for serious scary, or Friday
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the Thirteenth if you're going for funny scary, Like some
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: of the kills are just silly. Even Freddy Freddy had
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of one liners. And then The Second Alien
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite probably sci fi scary movies.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a tough time calling that one a
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: horror movie. You know, the first one kind of falls
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: into horror, but the second one is more on the
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: sci fi. I guess the first one is too, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the second one's less of a horror mm hmm.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: So outside of this any any recommendations.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: An actual movie that's like pretty creepy that gets talked
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: about sometimes is The Strangers if you've ever seen that, Yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: which is just a pretty straight up like people getting
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: kind of stalked by killers for no reason movie, but
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: good tension in that. That's a movie I remember watching
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and being like, oh, this is this is pretty like scary.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And another one I like is American Werewolf in London,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: which is a you know, kind of funny, kind of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: scary movie which has some great special effects. So those
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: are a couple off the top of my head.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I would say as a kid, Poltergeist scared me. That's
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: a good. Yeah, if you're talking about true fright and scariness,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: it's the spirit for me, way scarier to me than
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: this seeable Michael Myers, Jason. That stuff is scary in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: its own right, but if you can't see it and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it can possess or it can like just haunt to you,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: that's terrifying to me. It's all those like Poltergeist man,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the scenes in that movie when I was a kid,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: it still haunt me to this day, you know. Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Another one, the Shining I think is a good. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: mean Stephen King, he had, he had the knack, he
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. That guy, well, Jason's the winner
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: of Thunderdome epic epic.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: In these thunderdomes, you just don't know who's gonna walk out, yeah,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: with their machete.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Eight horror movie villains enter, one horror movie villain leaves. Well,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that's it for this episode of Movies and Marketing. Until
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: next time, let's fade the black. I'll be back. He's
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: not coming back.