Latest / From First Principles / Earth’s 1-ms Day, Baby Solar Systems, Record Black Hole Crash, CRISPR Cancer Hack & AI Indiana Jones (EP. 1)
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- 0:00So we're going to do the rundown.
- 0:01First story of the day, Earth just had one of its shortest days ever.
- 0:06So the summary on this headline is yesterday, July 22nd, 2025, Earth completed a rotation in less than 24 hours.
- 0:17Yeah, it was shorter by like a millisecond, a millisecond.
- 0:22But, you know, the news people need something to write about in science.
- 0:26So so is this the end of the world or what?
- 0:28No, no, it's it's really not.
- 0:30Even if you believe in auras and chakras, right, it's a millisecond out of a 24 hour day.
- 0:35That's 86 400 seconds in a day.
- 0:39So 86 million milliseconds in a day.
- 0:45So it's one part in 86 million.
- 0:47So your chakra has changed by one part in 86 million.
- 0:52So it's really not that bad.
- 0:54So what's interesting about this is there's actually some interesting fundamental science going on.
- 0:59Yes.
- 0:59Like, why is that happening?
- 1:01Right.
- 1:02Yeah, so that is actually a really cool fundamental physics question.
- 1:05Because I thought it was just 24 hours and that's it.
- 1:08Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 1:09And, you know, if the Earth was in a void all on its own and there's nothing around it, then if it spins for 24 hours, it'll spin at exactly that speed because of the conservation of angular momentum and the conservation of energy.
- 1:23Basically, it's got some rotational energy.
- 1:25It's got some angular momentum.
- 1:27It's not going to go anywhere.
- 1:28Right.
- 1:29But we live in the real world where we've got the moon going around the earth.
- 1:32We've got the sun tugging on the planet.
- 1:34We've got Jupiter tugging on the planet.
- 1:36So we have all of these like little forces that are tugging on it.
- 1:38Right.
- 1:39Yep.
- 1:39And so what's going to end up happening is you have something called tidal friction.
- 1:43Right.
- 1:44The moon creates tides.
- 1:46What are those tides?
- 1:47Those tides are basically like friction from the ocean.
- 1:51as the ocean moves around the Earth as it's pulled by the moon.
- 1:55Oh, does that make sense?
- 1:56Okay.
- 1:56And so you're losing energy to that friction, right?
- 1:59Because the moon is pulling you.
- 2:01Yeah, the moon is pulling the Earth.
- 2:02While we're trying to go this way.
- 2:04Yeah.
- 2:04Okay.
- 2:05And so you have this like this like kind of this this tidal friction happening.
- 2:09And that friction means you're losing energy to heat.
- 2:13And if you're losing energy to heat,
- 2:17the energy has to come from somewhere, and so that slows the rotation of the Earth a little bit.
- 2:21Right?
- 2:21Like, way before, Earth used to have a day of about 19 hours.
- 2:25Now it's 24.
- 2:26Yeah.
- 2:27Way, way, way back, like millions of years ago.
- 2:29Okay.
- 2:29But now it's like 24 hours, and it's going to keep growing.
- 2:33Now, this particular one, it's a little unclear what it is.
- 2:37Okay?
- 2:38This one, it could be the tidal friction.
- 2:40What do you mean, unclear?
- 2:42Well, it's a millisecond, which is really small.
- 2:48It's not just the moon that's doing that.
- 2:50For example, a lot of things on Earth can change its rotational capability.
- 2:56Like, dude, like China.
- 2:58Okay, China on its own changed the rotation of the Earth.
- 3:03Okay.
- 3:03Back when it made.
- 3:04Yeah.
- 3:05Back when it.
- 3:06Okay.
- 3:06I guess that's not a single entity.
- 3:08It's like a billion people.
- 3:10But like when they made the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River.
- 3:13Yep.
- 3:13That was a massive, massive dam.
- 3:16It creates a reservoir.
- 3:18Yep.
- 3:18Right.
- 3:18It creates this massive water lake.
- 3:21Yep.
- 3:22And what does that do?
- 3:23Just like just like when you have a figure skater that's like.
- 3:27like twirling.
- 3:27And then when they like put their arms out, they slow down.
- 3:30When they, when they put their arms in, they speed up.
- 3:33Right.
- 3:33That's because of, again, conservation of angular momentum.
- 3:36What you're doing is you're, you're decreasing what's called a moment of inertia or increasing it.
- 3:42And when you do that, it's kind of like an inertia of rotation.
- 3:46So the bigger you make yourself in terms of the radius, the slower you'll go.
- 3:51Right.
- 3:52And so when, when, when China dammed up this river,
- 3:55the earth made itself a little bigger because there's like all this water now at this high elevation.
- 4:01Right.
- 4:01Right.
- 4:02Right.
- 4:02And so all of this water that you used to just keep flowing now becomes a lake that it's kind of like the earth as a figure skater went like this.
- 4:10And then it slowed down the rotation of the earth.
- 4:14But that was only by like a microsecond.
- 4:15That's fascinating.
- 4:16So this is a millisecond, which is like a thousand times bigger.
- 4:19But the thing is, things happen.
- 4:22The Sumatra earthquake in 2004, also a microsecond, because the Earth's plates shifted just enough that it changed the moment of inertia of the Earth, and then the day changed.
- 4:32This is so crazy because...
- 4:36I never in a million years thought about like the 24 hour day being a dynamic variable.
- 4:42Yeah.
- 4:43Yeah.
- 4:44And dude, I was actually doing, I went on a deep dive on this and it was actually like kind of crazy because now you start asking yourself, you know, on first principles.
- 4:52Yes.
- 4:52You start asking yourself, well, how do we measure a day?
- 4:56Right.
- 4:56Okay.
- 4:56How do you measure a day?
- 4:57It used to be that you could just like measure, okay, the sun is going to be here.
- 5:01And then like 24 hours later, it's going to be back at the same spot in the sky.
- 5:05Right.
- 5:06Like if there's like, imagine there's a mountain in the distance and you're at exactly the spot.
- 5:10And then like the sun like grazes the mountain.
- 5:13And then the next day it's going to graze the mountain 24 hours later.
- 5:15Right.
- 5:16But that's not quite right because in those 24 hours, if the sun is here, the earth has moved a tiny bit.
- 5:22Right.
- 5:22So it's a little bit shorter because the earth has moved.
- 5:25And so you're looking at the sun from a different angle.
- 5:28So it's actually like a little bit less than 24 hours by almost six minutes.
- 5:32So then you're like, okay, so how do you...
- 5:33Wait a minute.
- 5:34First, it was a millisecond.
- 5:36Yeah, yeah.
- 5:36Now it's six minutes.
- 5:37Yeah, because the earth, to point at the sun, the earth doesn't have to do a whole rotation if it's going along this way.
- 5:45If it's moving.
- 5:45Yeah.
- 5:46Right?
- 5:47Because it's rotating around the sun at the same time that it itself is rotating, your angle, like your line of sight, like in terms of being directly in line with the sun, is constantly shifting as you rotate.
- 6:01Yeah.
- 6:01Isn't that crazy?
- 6:02It is.
- 6:03So like you can't actually reliably say so there's a difference between the solar day.
- 6:08Right.
- 6:08And the real day.
- 6:10Oh, OK. OK.
- 6:10So now, OK, what's the real day?
- 6:12Or is the solar day the real day and we're living in fake news day?
- 6:16Yes.
- 6:16Where the Earth is flat and the sun is revolving around us.
- 6:20That's certainly not what is happening.
- 6:25But.
- 6:26It's certainly cool to think about.
- 6:29Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 6:30Like in terms of, you know, just shooting the shit.
- 6:33This is actually kind of mind-blowing because I just...
- 6:38It's so...
- 6:39There's so much detail about... Because I remember seeing this like little animation.
- 6:46Because when we were growing up as kids, they showed the solar system as a flat plane.
- 6:51Yeah.
- 6:52Sun in the middle.
- 6:53And everything just doing... Yeah.
- 6:55Is this an orbital...
- 6:56Yeah, yeah.
- 6:57Yeah, you can call it.
- 6:57Yeah, it's an orbit.
- 6:58An orbit around on a flat plane.
- 7:01Yeah.
- 7:01But no, really, we're doing this.
- 7:03As if it was also static in space.
- 7:05Yeah.
- 7:05But we're like flying.
- 7:07Yeah.
- 7:07And we're actually like going around it all like this while we're going that way.
- 7:11Yeah.
- 7:13And that actually causes the next problem, right?
- 7:15Because you could be like, okay, so before we were like, okay, the sun goes to the same spot in the sky.
- 7:19Yes.
- 7:20But now we've just figured out that the Earth is moving.
- 7:22Well, because we're moving.
- 7:22But now the sun is moving.
- 7:24Yeah.
- 7:24So like if we were to say, OK, what if like we pick a star that's far away and then we ask, OK, when is the star going to come back to the same spot?
- 7:33Well, that's better than the sun because the star is like many light years away.
- 7:37The sun is only like eight minutes, eight light minutes away.
- 7:40So sure, that's better.
- 7:41But still, the sun is moving through these stars.
- 7:44The stars themselves are moving.
- 7:46So to really like so, dude, as humans, we're incredible.
- 7:50Like we are so incredible with precision and accuracy.
- 7:53What we've done is so what we do is we point radio telescopes at quasars.
- 7:58Yeah.
- 7:59OK. Quasars are like these incredibly distant objects.
- 8:03OK, like
- 8:05Edges of the universe.
- 8:06Right.
- 8:06OK, we're talking edges of the universe.
- 8:09They release these massive radio signals so you can point a radio telescope at it and reliably be like, oh, the quasars in the same spot.
- 8:17Right.
- 8:17And because it's so, so, so far away, you can that's like our best metric of, yep, the Earth has spun a full 360 degrees.
- 8:25Interesting.
- 8:26Because if we use anything local to our galaxy, then the sun's movement and those movements get confounded.
- 8:32So you want something so far away that it's literally infinity.
- 8:36Right.
- 8:37And then, you know, for all intents and purposes.
- 8:39Right.
- 8:40And then, so that's what we actually do.
- 8:42And that's where we can measure something as small as a microsecond and be like, yeah, the earth literally slowed down by a microsecond when the Three Gorgeons Dam went up or when the Sumatra earthquake happened.
- 8:54And it's going to continue to do so from non-man-made impacts, which is kind of why, at least until proven otherwise, July 20th.
- 9:06Because to go from the Three Gorges Dam level of impact, which is a millisecond to a millisecond.
- 9:13A thousand acts.
- 9:15Mm-hmm.
- 9:16We probably don't have that.
- 9:17It's probably not us.
- 9:18No.
- 9:18No.
- 9:19This is probably either polar ice caps melting or something.
- 9:23Yeah.
- 9:24Or the interior of the earth is rearranging itself.
- 9:28Because the interior of the earth is liquid.
- 9:30It's like a very viscous honey-like liquid.
- 9:33Great word.
- 9:34Right?
- 9:34So it could be rearranging itself in some way that makes the rotation change.
- 9:41This is really fascinating.
- 9:43It's incredible that we can measure like that.
- 9:45To that level, to that degree of accuracy.
- 9:48That's also like verifiable by other people.
- 9:50But it's also a reminder that we know so much and so little at the same time.
- 9:54Yeah.
- 9:54It's really incredible.
- 9:55Yeah.
- 9:56So for our next story, so we just talked about.
- 10:01We're going to stick with space.
- 10:03We just talked about the Earth's fastest spin on July 22nd.
- 10:07Yep.
- 10:09But now a baby shower.
- 10:12No gender reveal.
- 10:14But astronomers apparently have witnessed a baby solar system forming.
- 10:20And is that like a first time thing?
- 10:22Yes.
- 10:23What is the significance here?
- 10:25So we've seen stars being born before, and we've seen stars being born before.
- 10:30We've seen solar systems sort of being born before, but this is the first time that we're seeing Earth-like planets form.
- 10:37Okay.
- 10:38That's the big one.
- 10:38Got it.
- 10:39Okay.
- 10:39Earth-like planets are really hard to image because they're small, right?
- 10:43And far away.
- 10:45You got to get really the right conditions in order to image this thing.
- 10:49And so what these scientists did was they used the ALMA, which is the Atacama Large Microwave Array.
- 10:57It's basically like high on top of the Atacama Desert in Chile, 17,000 feet above sea level, so there's barely any atmosphere.
- 11:04You've got this array of telescopes that measures in the microwave, a little bit shorter than microwave wavelength.
- 11:11And they observed this star called Hops 315.
- 11:17No hops.
- 11:19Astronomers.
- 11:20Not a local brewery.
- 11:21Yes, yes.
- 11:22Although that's a great name for an IPA that I'm never going to drink.
- 11:27But, you know, there's a lot of scientists who are like, yeah, have you tried the IPA?
- 11:32It's fucking amazing.
- 11:33Okay, anyways.
- 11:35This star is 1300 light years away.
- 11:37Okay.
- 11:38Closer or farther than Andromeda?
- 11:40Farther.
- 11:41No, no, no.
- 11:42Way closer.
- 11:42Way closer.
- 11:43Way closer.
- 11:43Andromeda is like millions of light years.
- 11:46Oh, okay, okay.
- 11:46It's like 2 million light years.
- 11:47Got it.
- 11:48Yeah.
- 11:48Anything that's 100,000 light years or less is within our galaxy.
- 11:52My fault.
- 11:53Milky Way is like, yeah, 100,000, 200,000 light years.
- 11:55That makes sense.
- 11:56And then you got the Andromeda.
- 11:57It's in the neighborhood.
- 11:58Yeah.
- 11:58It's not from the other block.
- 11:59No, it's not from the other block.
- 12:00This is our star.
- 12:03It's a star kind of like our sun.
- 12:06And this thing was imaged around 200,000 years old.
- 12:11This star system is 200,000 years old, which sounds like a lot.
- 12:17The earth is 4.6 billion years.
- 12:19The sun, you would say, let's say 5 billion years.
- 12:23Okay.
- 12:23So if we want to compare 200,000 to 5 billion, I did a real quick back of the envelope calculation.
- 12:31So if the sun were a year old, Yeah.
- 12:34This is us taking a photo at 20 minutes.
- 12:38Oh, after birth.
- 12:38Yeah.
- 12:39Okay.
- 12:39This is... Like, this is January 1st, 20 minutes after New Year's.
- 12:44We're still in the hospital.
- 12:45Yeah.
- 12:46Like, we're still, like, panicking about, is everything okay?
- 12:50Okay, we haven't been discharged.
- 12:51Where's the nurse?
- 12:51Right, right.
- 12:52Like, why did she leave the room?
- 12:54Kind of, you know?
- 12:55Yeah.
- 12:55Like...
- 12:55So, yeah, this is 20 minutes old compared to the sun's one year.
- 12:59Got it.
- 12:59All right.
- 13:00Extremely, extremely new solar system.
- 13:04What they did was, and what's exciting is they observed traces of silica.
- 13:09Okay.
- 13:10Silicon and silicate minerals.
- 13:12Yep.
- 13:12Like rocks.
- 13:13Yep.
- 13:13Okay.
- 13:14Like rocks are made out of silicon.
- 13:16um no the only thing man has anyway yeah yeah we well we'll talk about that later but um so so they they they found these traces of silicate which means that you know there's a rocky planet forming got in this proto-planetary disc yep um the region that they found it is like basically somewhere if like the the sun is there then it's like mars and jupiter some some region between mars and jupiter which is like where the asteroid belt
- 13:42Right.
- 13:43Right.
- 13:43So, you know, getting farther inside that orbit is really hard because the sun, the new star has a lot of radiation that's pushed out.
- 13:52And there's a lot of gas that absolutely obscures you.
- 13:56This thing was like the reason why we could see this is because that star was at exactly the right angle and there was exactly the right hole.
- 14:05in the protoplanetary cloud for us to see inside.
- 14:10Again, it's like with astronomy, there's this game of like, there's so many things to see, but they're like not the right condition for our particular planet on Earth to see.
- 14:19Like we're just not at the right angle to see it.
- 14:22And we can't really move where we are to see it because we're stuck on Earth.
- 14:26We're bounded by this rock.
- 14:27The farthest we've gone is like Pluto, which is really not that far compared to like a 1300 light years.
- 14:33Right.
- 14:33Pluto is like maybe like some hours.
- 14:35Right.
- 14:36Compared to years.
- 14:37Years.
- 14:37Like, so, yeah.
- 14:39So we're stuck on this planet.
- 14:40And so every once in a while we get really lucky.
- 14:43Right.
- 14:43And we see a star at exactly the right angle at exactly the right time with exactly the right telescope to be like, oh, shit, like there's an Earth forming there.
- 14:51Right.
- 14:52And like so that's why this is the first time that we've seen something like a rocky planet form in like an inner part of the solar system.
- 15:00So not only is it close, not only is this newly forming solar system close to us, it is also forming rocky planets.
- 15:10Yeah.
- 15:11And by an act of who knows whoever, we just happen to be pointing in the right direction.
- 15:17Yeah.
- 15:18Yeah.
- 15:18In the vastness of space.
- 15:20That's right.
- 15:20At the right time.
- 15:21Yeah.
- 15:22In the vastness of time.
- 15:23Mm-hmm.
- 15:24To see through a pinhole.
- 15:27Yeah.
- 15:28And it's like, oh, look.
- 15:29Yeah.
- 15:29Baby Earth.
- 15:30Yeah.
- 15:31That's it's insane.
- 15:33I think like the luck that we get, you know, right.
- 15:35Right.
- 15:36And and like, yeah, we just we need to we need to like put out more telescopes to see more of the sky.
- 15:43And there's there's there's efforts, right, going into doing exactly that.
- 15:47But, you know, but NASA is being defunded.
- 15:50NASA is being defunded.
- 15:51NSF is being defunded.
- 15:53The new telescopes are being defunded.
- 15:57But Golden Dome.
- 15:59But Golden Dome.
- 16:01It's golden, right?
- 16:02Yeah.
- 16:03And it's a dome like a rocky planet 1,300 light years away.
- 16:07Yeah.
- 16:07So it's the same thing.
- 16:09Yeah.
- 16:09Let's just point my binoculars at it, and then maybe we'll see some aliens.
- 16:15Fascinating.
- 16:16Right.
- 16:17Our next story, we're going to stick with space.
- 16:22This one has a BBH.
- 16:26It's the biggest black hole.
- 16:28Oh, got it.
- 16:28Okay.
- 16:29Right.
- 16:30I was like, yo, this is not in my notes.
- 16:32This is not in the show notes.
- 16:34Yeah.
- 16:35So we have a BBH, biggest black hole collision ever.
- 16:39Yes.
- 16:41So this is like when you have a crossover episode, you know, with your classic TV show.
- 16:46The most recent one's probably Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Abbott Elementary.
- 16:51That's a big.
- 16:52Did they do a crossover?
- 16:53They did a crossover because they're both in Philly.
- 16:55Oh, right.
- 16:55Right.
- 16:56Dude, I got to watch that.
- 16:57I love both of those shows.
- 16:58It's actually pretty funny.
- 16:59Okay, yeah.
- 17:00So this is the deep space version of that crossover.
- 17:04So the headline reads, two monster, because monster is a scientific term.
- 17:11Two monster black holes collided and physics is nervous.
- 17:16Detected by LIGO, Virgo, and CAGRA.
- 17:21I'll let you correct me.
- 17:23This merger involved black holes of 50 to 96 solar masses, much larger than typical stellar remnants, and...
- 17:33Raising questions about how they formed.
- 17:36It sounds like an immigration conversation.
- 17:37It does.
- 17:38And we are experts at those kinds of conversations.
- 17:41So stay tuned, folks.
- 17:46But it actually is causing a stir in the physics community.
- 17:50Okay.
- 17:50So this is not just headlines.
- 17:51It's not just headlines.
- 17:52This is actually a really cool story.
- 17:54There's a lot going on.
- 17:56And we still don't know exactly how this event happened.
- 18:02Okay.
- 18:03So here's what's going on.
- 18:03Okay.
- 18:04There's a solar mass, 140 solar masses.
- 18:08So this is a black hole that's 140 times the mass of the sun.
- 18:11It combines with something like 100 solar masses.
- 18:14There's a giant air bar with these things because there is an air bar, a chocolate.
- 18:20An error bar is kind of like a chocolate that tells you how off you can possibly be in your number.
- 18:28Like I said, 140 solar masses, right?
- 18:31That means it could be like 80.
- 18:33Okay.
- 18:33Or like 90, or it could be like 180.
- 18:35Okay.
- 18:36Right.
- 18:36It's like, I'm not sure.
- 18:38But not zero.
- 18:39But it's not zero, right?
- 18:42And those arrow bars are quite big because, like, you know, the... Like, let's be honest here.
- 18:47How are we seeing this?
- 18:50Yeah.
- 18:50Okay?
- 18:50Right.
- 18:51This is a black hole colliding with another black hole.
- 18:54So there's no light.
- 18:55Yep.
- 18:55There's no light coming from these things.
- 18:57What's happening is they're spinning, spinning, spinning, spinning, spinning.
- 19:01They crash into each other and become a bigger black hole.
- 19:03Mm-hmm.
- 19:04that spinning stretches the fabric of space-time, stretches and squishes the fabric of space-time.
- 19:11I've watched Interstellar.
- 19:12Right?
- 19:12Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- 19:14Yeah, exactly that.
- 19:15And so, like, literally, when that happens, you get these waves in space-time called gravitational waves.
- 19:22And they literally, like...
- 19:24They make a meter or a foot a little bit longer and a little bit shorter and a little bit longer and a little bit shorter.
- 19:29For like these periods of time.
- 19:31Yeah, yeah.
- 19:31And they make the clocks go a little bit faster and a little bit shorter.
- 19:34Like time itself is distorted.
- 19:37Right?
- 19:37Like the fabric of space-time, meaning like both of these things are interrelated and they're both like getting kind of wiggled.
- 19:44Yeah, yeah.
- 19:45Right?
- 19:45But how much are they getting wiggled?
- 19:47It's like one part in like 10 to the 22.
- 19:50So 1 divided by 1 with 22 zeros.
- 19:54To tell you how, so in order to observe this, we have these observatories called LIGO.
- 19:59They were funded by the NSF back in the 90s.
- 20:01It was our big, like, you know, high risk, high reward.
- 20:04And let me tell you, it was a really good reward.
- 20:07I was going to say, back when we used to fund fundamental science.
- 20:10Yes, this is such an amazing, like, story of American exceptionalism.
- 20:16The NSF was like... National Science Foundation.
- 20:19Yeah, that's the National Science Foundation, which just got gutted, by the way.
- 20:23I want to note that the National Science Foundation is the number one resource for investment and funding towards basic and fundamental science research.
- 20:32That is not like it does not need profit in order to be successful.
- 20:39No.
- 20:40It's the substrate by which...
- 20:42The government really does a lot of these basic science and early frontier research things.
- 20:47And then they hand it to the private sector to go make billions of dollars.
- 20:49Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 20:50It's because the frequently fundamental science, like you can't have a horizon of like 10, 20 years, even 50 years sometimes.
- 20:59Or quarterly for that matter.
- 21:00Yeah, you can't like, you can't expect...
- 21:03corporations like way back in the day, like if you if you told like any of these pharma corporations like, hey, why don't you go put in some research to like discover how bacterial immune systems work?
- 21:17Like, how does a bacteria defend against viruses?
- 21:20Right.
- 21:21Right.
- 21:21Any of these pharmaceutical companies, these private sector would be like, no, because I don't know.
- 21:26Why would I do that?
- 21:27Right.
- 21:27The NSF said, yeah, that sounds pretty interesting.
- 21:30Why don't you do it?
- 21:31Out came CRISPR.
- 21:32Out came all of the gene technologies that we have today, which are going to literally revolutionize every aspect of human.
- 21:37Yes.
- 21:37Yes.
- 21:38Save millions of lives, make millions of lives better.
- 21:41Maybe also be kind of bad, but like that's what science is.
- 21:45Yeah.
- 21:46Right.
- 21:46And you have to like the point is like in order to like in order to actually have the ability to ask these questions and and say like, OK, how are we going to apply this technology?
- 21:58We need to have the technology in the first place.
- 22:00And the NSF is incredible.
- 22:02And it's like America's secret weapon for why we've been ahead since post-war.
- 22:08And this is – Post-war, like World War II.
- 22:10Whoever wins physics wins the planet.
- 22:12That's a whole other conversation.
- 22:13That's a whole other conversation we can have.
- 22:15But what's interesting is the only part of the reason we're even able to have the story we're talking about here about the biggest black hole collided collision ever is because we have these tools –
- 22:25Yeah, we have this.
- 22:26Instruments that were funded by these programs.
- 22:29Yeah, yeah.
- 22:30We have these two observatories called LIGO, Large Interferometer Gravitational Observatory, something like that.
- 22:37Yep.
- 22:38Maybe it's Light Interferometer.
- 22:39I'm not sure.
- 22:40But it's basically these...
- 22:43giant, giant underground facilities in one in Washington state, one in Louisiana that measure the distortion in length of a three kilometer long tunnel.
- 22:58Okay.
- 22:58So you got a tunnel that's three kilometers long and we want to measure whether that tunnel shrunk by 10 to the minus 18 kilometers.
- 23:06So we got a three kilometer tunnel and we want to see if it got shorter by a little bit bigger than a proton.
- 23:13This is so insane.
- 23:15You know, just imagine.
- 23:17It's not even a little bit bigger than an atom.
- 23:20Right?
- 23:20The thing is, the tunnel is made out of atoms.
- 23:24Right.
- 23:24And we're trying to measure if it's off by one atom.
- 23:26It's like we're making, like, a thing out of Legos.
- 23:29Yeah.
- 23:32And then we're trying to measure, like...
- 23:34Way smaller than I don't know how to say it.
- 23:36Way smaller than a Lego.
- 23:37Yeah.
- 23:38Like like the thing is made out of atoms and we're measuring less than like like a thousand thousand of an atom.
- 23:45And whether it's moved or not.
- 23:46And I guess the idea here is is.
- 23:49gravitational waves impact us on Earth at that small of a, like, that's how we... Yeah, because these things are, like, at the edges of the universe, right?
- 23:57Right.
- 23:58Like, this collision is happening at the edge of the universe.
- 24:01And when these collisions happen, so this particular one, right, 140 solar masses.
- 24:06Yes.
- 24:07Plus 100 solar masses.
- 24:08Yes.
- 24:08The remnant was 225 solar masses.
- 24:11So let's do it.
- 24:12Meaning after they collided.
- 24:13After they collided, they became a 225 solar masses.
- 24:16Now, you might be thinking...
- 24:18Right.
- 24:20Uh, solar masses, though?
- 24:23I might need to hit back.
- 24:24Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 24:25You might need to.
- 24:26Well, you need to become a black hole.
- 24:29I'm halfway there.
- 24:30Yeah.
- 24:30I'm black.
- 24:30You got the first part.
- 24:31I just need the whole part.
- 24:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 24:34But 140 plus 100 is 240.
- 24:36Yep.
- 24:37And then you're left with 225.
- 24:38Where did the 15 go?
- 24:40The 15 became pure energy in these gravitational waves.
- 24:44That just gets...
- 24:45And to tell you like 15 solar masses just gone in the fraction of a second.
- 24:50Okay.
- 24:51That I actually did the calculation here.
- 24:54That is 250 times the brightness of all the stars in the universe.
- 25:02The power output.
- 25:03Bro, no.
- 25:04Yeah.
- 25:05We're not doing this.
- 25:05Yeah.
- 25:06No, no, no.
- 25:06We're not doing this.
- 25:07In a second.
- 25:07That's what this thing that we captured with LIGO.
- 25:10Like we're seeing an explosion.
- 25:11Oh, we have the data.
- 25:12Yeah.
- 25:13We have the data to show that like that happened.
- 25:16We measured it.
- 25:17As human beings, we could say that that happened in the universe.
- 25:24Isn't that like it's like godly...
- 25:28Power and knowledge to be able to like say, yep, it happened and it happened over there and it happened this far away.
- 25:35And we're looking back in time and like someone turned the lights on really quick on the whole universe like that.
- 25:43And it's like it's like when they said Muhammad Ali could turn the lights off and get into bed before the lights turned.
- 25:47Yeah.
- 25:48And it's just this puts that to shame.
- 25:50That's an incredible amount of brightness.
- 25:55Yeah.
- 25:55Which means like part of the thing to our point earlier when we were talking about how we have tools, but we have to kind of get lucky because of the vastness of space.
- 26:04But this is one of those things.
- 26:05This is where, yeah, this is where the gravitational wave just comes and we will see it.
- 26:08We will see it.
- 26:10We're not going to miss this one.
- 26:11We're not going to miss this.
- 26:11We don't need a pinhole and to be looking at the right place at the right time.
- 26:15No.
- 26:15Yeah.
- 26:15This one is like it's coming from everywhere.
- 26:16This thing's going to stretch and it hits us.
- 26:18Yeah.
- 26:19Unless even actually, no, no, there's it's not possible for us to miss this really.
- 26:24Right.
- 26:25It could like if we only had one, then if the gravitational wave is coming this way, then like both arms would stretch the same amount and cancel each other out.
- 26:35But the earth is curved.
- 26:36It's not flat.
- 26:37And we have so we've got two at two different angles.
- 26:39So we'd see it.
- 26:40Yeah.
- 26:41But it's incredible that we get to observe these things, right?
- 26:46It just makes you feel so good that humans were able to do this.
- 26:52One of the things I find so interesting about this is, as you're talking to me about these things, this kind of feels a little bit left field, but when people talk in religious context about God or any derivative, any other version of the naming convention you want to put on it based on what book your parents read, this is...
- 27:11the power yeah the level of literal power like literal yeah measurable power yeah that we like ascribe to these concepts of a deity that's higher in the higher yeah yeah yeah this is this is that this is that 250 times the brightness of all the stars in the universe that's the amount of energy that was released let there be light right it's insane i mean that's literally like that's that's
- 27:37In this case, it's like, let there be gravity, like gravitational waves.
- 27:41Right, right.
- 27:42But it's still energy at the end of the day.
- 27:44And like in the language of physics, they're kind of the same.
- 27:47Which, again, you know, like tune in next week.
- 27:49Yeah.
- 27:51It's insane.
- 27:52So this, I think one of the things that's so interesting about all these stories is every single one of these stories is like based on instruments.
- 28:00I think people like sometimes forget that.
- 28:04The tools, because we have the ability to create tools, that is kind of the mechanism by which we are acquiring knowledge over time.
- 28:14And we get better at making tools, we get more precise, we get more clever, and we come up with better experimental design.
- 28:20And then we get these interesting science headlines.
- 28:23I mean, as a perfect example of us building tools, sometimes they're like really big tools and physical and we're measuring.
- 28:32Sometimes they're really small tools and we use them to like do stuff.
- 28:35Yeah.
- 28:35And this next story is we're going to have the pronunciation brigade decide is it CRISPR or CRISPR?
- 28:46Yeah, I don't actually.
- 28:47I say CRISPR.
- 28:50Right, because it's crisp and there's a dash with the capital R. Right.
- 28:54Then I'm like, but then people because you have an accent.
- 28:57Yeah, yeah.
- 28:58And I'm brown.
- 28:59It's like, ah, you're wrong.
- 29:01Yeah.
- 29:02But what's what's interesting.
- 29:03So there's the next headline is about CRISPR uncovers, CRISPR uncovers.
- 29:11Anti-cancer vitamin D gene.
- 29:15So the title is the gene that supercharges vitamin D and kills tumors found.
- 29:23Now, I know there's a lot of people here in L.A. who are big vitamin D supplement advocates.
- 29:31And I've really been pushing for this.
- 29:33But the story goes, apparently, CRISPR screening revealed a gene found.
- 29:40That boosts vitamin D's ability to suppress tumor growth, especially in pancreatic and choleratical cancers.
- 29:53Colon cancer?
- 29:54Yeah.
- 29:57But I don't know what any of that means.
- 29:58Yeah.
- 29:59Okay.
- 29:59So CRISPR is this technology that we've built.
- 30:04Another tool.
- 30:05It's another tool.
- 30:06This was built with NSF funding.
- 30:08It started out being like people were like, hey, how does a bacteria defend against viruses?
- 30:14Basically, what's the bacterial immune system?
- 30:17Seems kind of like a random research question.
- 30:21Why would we spend money on that?
- 30:22A lot of people are asking, why do we spend money on fundamental science?
- 30:25Well, this is why.
- 30:26Because out of that bacterial immune system came CRISPR, which is this gene editing mechanism.
- 30:33What it can do is basically snipe DNA at any custom point.
- 30:37that you give it, you can program a scissor to search for a specific sequence of DNA, cut it at that point, and then we've got other types of enzymes that'll actually stitch it back together.
- 30:49So now you can just play God and take DNA and be like, I don't like this part, cut it out, put something else in, stitch it back together.
- 30:57I would love some, I don't know, maybe like two inches of height, a little bit more intelligence.
- 31:05Yeah, it's too late for us.
- 31:07Oh, that's unfortunate.
- 31:07Yeah.
- 31:08But the kids.
- 31:08But the kids.
- 31:10Maybe.
- 31:10Yeah, the kids love it.
- 31:12The Chinese are doing it.
- 31:13Yeah, they already have.
- 31:14Yeah, literally.
- 31:15Yeah, literally.
- 31:15Literally.
- 31:16That's another.
- 31:17That's a start for another day.
- 31:18That's a whole.
- 31:19Yeah.
- 31:20So we figured out how to cut.
- 31:23The gene sequence.
- 31:24The gene sequence with CRISPR.
- 31:25And so what they did was they targeted this particular gene called SDR42E1.
- 31:29Okay.
- 31:30It's a gene that basically lets cells use vitamin D to create these hormones, hormones like calcitriol.
- 31:44Sorry.
- 31:45Yeah.
- 31:45Calcitriol.
- 31:46That's the hormone.
- 31:47It's a cholesterol type hormone.
- 31:48Mm-hmm.
- 31:49This is super important for like bones.
- 31:51It's how they reuptake calcium, potassium.
- 31:55It's really important for our immune system.
- 31:57Basically, all the things the vitamin D is important for.
- 32:02This particular gene helps vitamin D do that.
- 32:04Okay.
- 32:05Now, what people have noticed earlier is that this particular gene is really active in cancer cells.
- 32:13Okay.
- 32:14Okay?
- 32:14Like cancer cells like express this gene a lot.
- 32:17Okay.
- 32:18Okay?
- 32:19So perhaps it's important for cancer cell survival.
- 32:22So what these guys did was they went and they got a culture of these cancer cells.
- 32:26They went in with Chris Barr and they said, I'm going to cut this gene out.
- 32:30The gene out that does the viral.
- 32:31Yeah.
- 32:31I'm just going to silence this gene.
- 32:32It's no longer going to work for these cancer cells.
- 32:34Censorship regime on the gene.
- 32:37Yeah.
- 32:37It killed the cancer cells.
- 32:39Oh, but it not only did that.
- 32:41OK. OK.
- 32:42When I was reading this, it killed cancer cells.
- 32:44That's great.
- 32:45OK. What was really surprising to me is that it then modified 4000 other cancer related genes that were downstream.
- 32:56So this particular gene acts like a switch that like controls a bunch of other genes downstream.
- 33:04So it's not just like it's not just doing like one thing.
- 33:08Right?
- 33:08It's like this kind of like overseer.
- 33:11It's an air traffic controller.
- 33:12Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 33:13And when you cut that off, the cancer cells are nowhere to be found, right?
- 33:15And then they... Like, all of these other genes are gone.
- 33:18The cancer cells are...
- 33:21Basically dead.
- 33:22Yeah.
- 33:22And now you can have these like targeted immune therapies.
- 33:25Yeah.
- 33:25Right.
- 33:26These targeted like cancer therapies where you can like target a specific tumor.
- 33:31Yeah.
- 33:32Make the CRISPR go into just those cells, cut those out.
- 33:35And then, you know, you can get rid of the cancer that way.
- 33:38This.
- 33:39Okay.
- 33:40Um, wow.
- 33:41Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
- 33:43That – and again, quick shout-out to NSF.
- 33:46We wouldn't be having this as an option for people who are cancer patients and or who have family and friends who are cancer patients.
- 33:52This is why fundamental science research investment matters because this –
- 33:59I didn't realize that this was what that was about because effectively like, and correct me if I'm wrong, we're not saying we're cancer experts here.
- 34:07But one of the biggest challenges is how to solve for this.
- 34:11Yeah.
- 34:12Both from like a therapeutics, like an after the fact, and also from a preventative context.
- 34:18And this seems to be the case in the most high impact way that for people who already have tumors, right?
- 34:25There is now another among many research avenues, another option to explore that has a level of precision.
- 34:35That's right.
- 34:36That might have been missing from previous iterations of cancer.
- 34:38Exactly.
- 34:39Yeah.
- 34:39Like it's not like radiology, we're just blasting the whole thing with with radiation.
- 34:44Right.
- 34:44Or even chemo chemo, like the whole body.
- 34:46Right.
- 34:47This you can like target it into a specific area.
- 34:51The other cool thing is like, so here, you know, you want to cut off vitamin D from cancer cells and then basically starve cancer cells from vitamin D. Also make all of these other genes go haywire and then you kill it, right?
- 35:04What you could also do is with gene therapy, now that we've identified this gene that's so important for vitamin D, you can like up it for people who are vitamin D deficient.
- 35:13Right.
- 35:13Have like other kinds of disorders that aren't necessarily cancer related.
- 35:16Right.
- 35:17It opens up whole new avenues of medical research.
- 35:20And I imagine that there are learnings from this that then can be extrapolated to a variety of other.
- 35:31We're talking about vitamin D in this context.
- 35:33Yeah, but you can I mean, you know, genes are incredibly powerful tools.
- 35:40Right.
- 35:40Right.
- 35:40The genetic code is incredibly powerful.
- 35:42Right.
- 35:43This is one of the ways that CRISPR is being used.
- 35:45But there's like so many other different ways that CRISPR can be used, not just to like make designer babies, but also like actual like health things, you know, that are much less, I think, ethically concerning.
- 35:57Concerning.
- 35:58Right.
- 35:58Right.
- 35:58Like this is not ethically concerning to me.
- 36:01Right.
- 36:01Right.
- 36:01We don't need Birkin babies.
- 36:03Yeah, but this would be nice.
- 36:04But maybe solving cancer at scale without hair loss, chemo, destroying the body in these other ways and much more efficient.
- 36:14Yeah.
- 36:14Potentially, if you scale it up, also much more cost effective.
- 36:18That's right.
- 36:18Which corporations might not like, but that's a whole other story.
- 36:20But that's a whole other story, of course.
- 36:22Fascinating.
- 36:23Again, the power of our ability to build and create tools and come from first principles to understand the fundamentals.
- 36:32And I think, again, this is what we should never underestimate, right, like the power of fundamental knowledge when you can then.
- 36:41I mean, this is why the U.S. government.
- 36:43has understood when you think about warfare that physics is the starting point.
- 36:48Yeah, physics is the starting point.
- 36:51And then, like, getting everywhere, like, funding all levels is huge, right?
- 36:57It's huge.
- 36:57Like, it's like a national security issue that we're not funding science.
- 37:01Right.
- 37:02Yeah.
- 37:03I don't understand it, dude.
- 37:05So that's – okay.
- 37:06So, again, that's our fourth story today.
- 37:10And a perfect example of how some of our existing, like, really deep scientific tools and research are providing, like, real-world value.
- 37:20It might not be making groceries cheaper, but it's going to help you not get killed by them.
- 37:26We're going to pivot back to space for our second to last story before we end on our wonderful A.I.
- 37:33is here story of the day.
- 37:36And the title on this article is A Star That Died and Then Died Again, but not three days later.
- 37:46So this isn't the second coming of Jesus.
- 37:48It's like a Jon Snow.
- 37:50Oh, Jon.
- 37:50Oh, Jon Snow star.
- 37:51OK. Shout out to the Game of Thrones fans.
- 37:54Yeah.
- 37:54Yeah.
- 37:54Yeah.
- 37:55The this is the star.
- 37:56The prince who was promised the prince for they they totally totally shot the bed with the last season.
- 38:01Look, you know, I don't want to be a TV or movie producer and I don't envy that job.
- 38:08But basically the story is saying that we have the first visual confirmation of a, quote, double detonation.
- 38:16Yeah.
- 38:17Type of supernova where a helium shell explosion triggered a core blast in a white dwarf.
- 38:27Now, this sounds like some adult contemporary literature.
- 38:33Yes.
- 38:33Double detonation.
- 38:34Double detonation of white dwarves.
- 38:36No, we're not talking about Snow White.
- 38:38We're talking about deep space.
- 38:39No, we're talking about deep space.
- 38:40We're talking about a star that's about the size of the Earth.
- 38:43Okay.
- 38:43It has the mass of the sun.
- 38:45Imagine that.
- 38:46Oh, super dense, super dense.
- 38:48Yeah.
- 38:48So this is what this is what would happen to our sun when it dies in about five billion years, when it runs out of fuel and the gravity just collapses it.
- 38:59The sun is not big enough to become a supernova, which is like when the gravity is so fast that it just goes.
- 39:06Everywhere.
- 39:06It just explodes.
- 39:07Yep.
- 39:07This is kind of like the...
- 39:08It's going to, like, shed its outer layers, and the core is going to remain and become a white dwarf.
- 39:13It's going to be about the size of the Earth, but about the same mass as the sun.
- 39:18These white dwarfs are the stellar remnants of these stars, right?
- 39:22They're like the...
- 39:23The corpses, you can say.
- 39:25But sometimes they can come alive again, especially in binary star systems.
- 39:29So if you've got a white dwarf from a star that died and it's got a companion, get your head out of the gutter, Lester.
- 39:37Binary white dwarves.
- 39:40I know.
- 39:41The white dwarf has a companion and it's stealing from its companion because that's what it's doing.
- 39:46The white dwarf is stealing...
- 39:49gas from its companion.
- 39:51I'm not making this up.
- 39:52This is what's happening.
- 39:53Okay?
- 39:53This is not, we're not here to push the agenda of the alphabet.
- 39:57No, no, no, no.
- 39:58This is science.
- 39:59This is, there's a star revolving around another star.
- 40:02Okay?
- 40:02It's just physics, guys.
- 40:04Right?
- 40:04Like, there's no, there's no, there's no,
- 40:08Okay.
- 40:08Okay.
- 40:08But, okay.
- 40:09So, so the, the white dwarf starts stealing mass.
- 40:14Okay.
- 40:14From his companion.
- 40:15And when it does that, it starts like getting fatter and fatter.
- 40:20And at some point it's going to, the traditional thinking is it's going to reach this thing called the Chandrasekhar limit.
- 40:26It's named after my boy Subramanyam Chandrasekhar, Nobel Prize winner from India.
- 40:32It's basically the maximum mass a white dwarf star can have before weird physics starts happening, before the electron degeneracy pressure goes away and it starts collapsing on itself and all this other stuff.
- 40:43So usually the mass goes gross to that length and then it like explodes.
- 40:49Okay.
- 40:49But this one had like a sub detonation.
- 40:53Okay, where it was like it was like amassing a bunch of gas and then the helium shell that from all the gas that it was getting detonated and then that triggered another detonation inside because the shockwave went inside and outside and then the shockwave detonated the star itself.
- 41:10What's cool about this story to me was how they discovered it.
- 41:13Okay.
- 41:14How do we know that there was a double detonation?
- 41:16Right.
- 41:16What would you expect to see?
- 41:17What you'd expect to see, because this thing would happen like many years ago.
- 41:21Yeah.
- 41:22So what you'd expect to see is one shell, like imagine a double detonation right out in empty space.
- 41:28There'd be like a shell of expanding gas and then there'd be another shell inside.
- 41:32Right.
- 41:33There'd be a double shell.
- 41:34Yeah.
- 41:35So you want to, what you need to do is you need to image this double shell.
- 41:39It's incredibly hard to do, okay?
- 41:41Because this is a pretty recent eruption, I think, within the last thousand years.
- 41:44So the shell is not that big, right?
- 41:47So you're trying to image something really small.
- 41:50They use the very large telescope, the VLT, which is kind of like the VLA that you visited in New Mexico.
- 41:58Except in New Mexico, those are a bunch of radio telescopes.
- 42:01These are for optical telescopes.
- 42:03So it's much harder to synchronize the...
- 42:06Versus...
- 42:07Yeah, exactly.
- 42:09And in the radio telescopes, the frequency of light is pretty slow.
- 42:14So in order to get this giant picture with high resolution, you need to synchronize all of the signals from the radio telescopes.
- 42:21But because the frequency of the light is slow, the clocks are like... You can synchronize them as long as you're much shorter than the time it takes for a single...
- 42:33But in optical...
- 42:36The clocks need to be extremely, extremely fast.
- 42:38So building this VLT is like a feat of engineering in its own right.
- 42:42And they actually don't even use like digital synchronization.
- 42:46They have like underground mirrors that like manually synchronize all the light using light.
- 42:52Yeah.
- 42:52Because it's it's it's pretty great.
- 42:54Yeah.
- 42:55That's as close to speed of light as fire.
- 42:56Yeah.
- 42:56Yeah.
- 42:57So they literally have underground mirrors that are like on like trains that
- 43:02yeah it's it's it's an insane engineering project but what they did was they used this vlt in chile they pointed it at this system and over two years they imaged it for 39 nights and whoever tells you that like science isn't romantic like this is this is like astronomy is probably the most romantic of sciences because you've got to synchronize this so that there's no full moon there's no moon in the sky it's got to be extremely dark to see this thing it's extremely faint right like what you're trying to see
- 43:30You got to synchronize over 39 nights over two years, point this telescope at the same spot to image the same thing over two years.
- 43:38You're like borderline stalking it.
- 43:40You're right, right, right.
- 43:40At this point, right?
- 43:41Hoping that there's no clouds that are in between and all this other stuff.
- 43:45And finally, you get this amazing picture.
- 43:49And hopefully we can put it out.
- 43:51Yeah, we'll pull it out.
- 43:52It's an amazing picture of these like calcium shells moving.
- 43:57Mm-hmm.
- 43:57out at near the speed of light, away from this explosion, right?
- 44:01And so, yeah, it's a very clear sign of this, like, two shells moving out, and you can see the double detonation.
- 44:09And it's being captured over time, so you can see that it's movement through space, such that you can sort of then back-calculate...
- 44:16Yeah, like in 10 years, you can go back and like actually see them.
- 44:20And like maybe one of the one of the things is moving faster than the other.
- 44:23And there's all sorts of possibilities for how we can like better understand these kinds of explosions.
- 44:30Because understanding this explosion is very important for us from a fundamental science perspective, because these explosions help us chart out the distances to galaxies.
- 44:39Yeah.
- 44:40Oh, and help us chart out the expansion of the universe.
- 44:43It's we're Christopher Columbus.
- 44:45We're building the map of the world.
- 44:47And this is like our meter stick.
- 44:48Right.
- 44:49This is right.
- 44:49This is our Maria Pinto Santa Maria.
- 44:52What were the ships called?
- 44:53Oh, I forgot.
- 44:54The Pinto.
- 44:56Anyway, they made me learn this.
- 44:57Someone's going to put it in the comments and they're going to be like, you.
- 45:00Yeah, America's education system.
- 45:03That's what's important, apparently, knowing the fucking ship name of Christopher Columbus's.
- 45:09You know, the genocidal maniac who killed all the Native Americans.
- 45:12But that's fine.
- 45:14So this is the first time we've seen a double kill in space.
- 45:17Double kill.
- 45:18Yeah.
- 45:18Shout out to all my Halo people.
- 45:20And like, again, is I just one of the things I keep wanting to come back to is how extremely clever the humans who build these instruments are that enable us to gather data that then we can make conclusions about the beautiful world around us.
- 45:40And we can't do that.
- 45:43without enabling these brilliant people to have creative freedom to like build.
- 45:47Yeah.
- 45:47And like, again, imagine someone coming up to, hey, I want to build a giant telescope and I want to build a series of underground mirror systems.
- 45:56Yeah.
- 45:56And I want to build four of them.
- 45:58I tuned out like 15 minutes ago.
- 46:01Yeah.
- 46:01It's just, but it's so I, the wonder I've always loved space.
- 46:07We're so infinitesimally small in a sea of everything.
- 46:12Yeah.
- 46:12And there's so much interesting stuff going on around.
- 46:14And the wonder, I think this is kind of what you were saying there, the romance in astronomy is uniquely interesting in the sciences.
- 46:24Yeah.
- 46:26You know, in a way where it's like the wonder is constantly there.
- 46:29Yeah.
- 46:30You kind of never know what you're going to find.
- 46:32What you're going to find.
- 46:34Sometimes you might be looking at the right place at the right time like several of our stories.
- 46:38I think our last story of the day, and this is one I have no.
- 46:44So we always do an AI story.
- 46:46AI is going to be something that's going to impact all of our lives on a daily basis whether we like it or not.
- 46:53forever for the rest of our lives until the planet ends or we all die or something yep and so as long as we don't give them the access to nuclear and solar power and they can self-replicate but that's a whole nother story but you have an interesting ai story yes it's an optimistic one we love an optimistic ai story for our listeners today so we're gonna have dr krishna chowdhury walk us through the optimistic story of the day on ai
- 47:18Yeah, it's a new AI from Google's Deep Mind called Aeneas.
- 47:23Aeneas.
- 47:24Aeneas, yeah.
- 47:25Do you know who that is?
- 47:26I need another Aeneas because my current one is struggling a little bit.
- 47:31I'm not familiar, though.
- 47:33Aeneas is basically like the Roman version of Odysseus.
- 47:37Got it.
- 47:37Like, he apparently, like, he fled Troy with the Sword of Troy, and then he...
- 47:44did a journey very much like Odysseus and ended up in Rome, founded Rome.
- 47:49So Virgil wrote a poem called the Aeneid, and it's one of the great classical works of literature.
- 47:56And the Google DeepMind AI is called Aeneas because it is basically a generative AI model that helps epigraphers and is like an AI Indiana Jones.
- 48:09It's like...
- 48:10Basically trying to decipher Latin and date it and tell you where the Latin is from.
- 48:17It's got three jobs.
- 48:19It's going to decipher Latin.
- 48:21And frequently a big problem with antiquity is like the incompleteness of what we find.
- 48:29You've seen like the statues.
- 48:30There's an arm missing.
- 48:31There's a head missing.
- 48:32And they're still like a nose missing.
- 48:34And like they're still like in these museums and they're priceless.
- 48:37Right.
- 48:37Because they're these incredible works of art.
- 48:40Same thing happens with inscriptions, right?
- 48:42You go to like the Parthenon or like any of these other ancient Greek or ancient Roman temples, half the marble is gone.
- 48:51So the Latin is going to be like this and then it's going to be cut off, right?
- 48:54And so we don't know what the rest of the Latin says.
- 48:57Well, this is something where generative AI can do something, right?
- 49:00This actually sounds perfect for LLMs because they're basically next token generation.
- 49:04So it's almost literally the core function of these models is kind of,
- 49:10purpose to like fill in fill in the gaps.
- 49:12Yeah.
- 49:12Fill in the gaps.
- 49:13Limited information.
- 49:14Yeah.
- 49:15Fascinating.
- 49:15Yeah.
- 49:16So and that's exactly what this thing does.
- 49:18It's so it does three things.
- 49:19It fills in missing text.
- 49:21It provides a provenance, which is like, where did this thing come from?
- 49:25And it uses basically like context clues or like, did they abbreviate certain Latin terms to figure out like what the dialect is and then figure out where in the classical, you know, world it came from.
- 49:37Yeah.
- 49:37And then also it gives you an estimate of the date based on, again, like context and like vernacular, grammar, things like that.
- 49:46So it's trained on 176,000 Latin inscriptions.
- 49:51Only some of them have images.
- 49:53Okay.
- 49:53But most of them are like actually translated like...
- 49:56stuff anywhere from 7th century BC all the way to 8th century AD.
- 50:01So giant thousand year span of stuff.
- 50:07And it's an incredible tool now because so what they did was they tested it on this temple, on some inscriptions from the Temple of Augustus, which is in Ankara, Turkey.
- 50:19It's also called the Queen of Inscriptions because there's so many inscriptions that are on this temple.
- 50:25But again, a lot of these inscriptions are cut off and like they don't have it.
- 50:29Right.
- 50:30So they tested it between that.
- 50:33The thing completed it.
- 50:34A bunch of historians actually said, OK, that's actually a pretty good inscription.
- 50:37The inscription itself is from the Emperor Augustus.
- 50:39It's like an autobiography.
- 50:41Like I did this.
- 50:42I did this.
- 50:42You know, that's that's what the emperor's used to do.
- 50:44I was the biggest and the bestest.
- 50:46Yeah, basically.
- 50:48Yeah.
- 50:49Yeah, right after killing Caesar.
- 50:50No, wait, I don't think he did.
- 50:53No, that's a different Augustus.
- 50:56I'm confusing my Shakespeare with the real world.
- 51:00And the other thing is it gave like two date ranges.
- 51:03So it was like 10 to 20 CE or 10 to 1 BC.
- 51:09It said that this is the date range that this inscription is on.
- 51:12And that corresponds exactly to what current historians say
- 51:17are debating over whether it's this or that.
- 51:19It's sort of independent because I think part of with AI, people always talk about, well, when you do these AI models and they do these benchmark tests, people are saying, well, if you feed them the test while you're training.
- 51:30No, this is not in the training.
- 51:31It's not in the training data set because it was just those inscriptions without the interpretations of modern day historians as
- 51:38X, Y, or Z. Yeah.
- 51:39It just had structured data around it.
- 51:41It's like, we know this description is, like that's as a fundamental entry point.
- 51:46But I think that's an important distinction because the National Reaction will be like, well, okay, but it also took all the feedback and interpretation of these historians and that's why it lined up with what they already said.
- 51:55But the point is that it didn't have that.
- 51:57It didn't have that.
- 51:58This was a completely test case, right?
- 52:00And so it becomes this incredible tool that now epigraphers and historians can use
- 52:05obviously it's going to like make some stuff up, but like this is having this tool is much better than not having this tool.
- 52:11Right.
- 52:11Because then you can like reduce the amount of effort that you're doing.
- 52:14You can, you can like cross check, you can verify there's, there's a lot of,
- 52:21New inscriptions that are coming out as archaeological digs are happening.
- 52:26I was just in Pompeii the other day.
- 52:27There's an active dig happening in Pompeii.
- 52:30They're going to find new inscriptions.
- 52:31And then they'll be able to feed it into the Salah Lama.
- 52:34Obviously, there's going to be stuff that's cut off because the volcano came and buried the city.
- 52:38And buried everything.
- 52:39Right?
- 52:39So, like, it's...
- 52:42I think it gives a lot of hope for what AI can do for human beings.
- 52:47Like in this case, you know, a lot of people talk about like AI is a way we're like losing humanity.
- 52:53Right.
- 52:53And into certain respect, I think that is true.
- 52:56Like if we're not careful, we might lose our ability to be human or like our sense of what it means to be human.
- 53:05But in this case, like it's giving us more connection to our human past.
- 53:12what the same humans were like 2000 years ago, you know?
- 53:18And so like, it's, it's helping us connect in, in, in ways that I think are very good.
- 53:24And so like, if AI can be used for more things like this and less for like, you know, surveillance or like trying to like addict me to video games or apps, like, I think that'd be nice.
- 53:37I, I, I think what's so fascinating is AI is both,
- 53:44a lens into our past that allows it to interpret it with greater clarity and like the specter like hanging over the future because it's like or the guillotine that hangs over our future where we actually have the ability to pull it.
- 53:58Yeah, yeah.
- 53:58But we don't understand that we have that ability.
- 54:00That we're constantly like, yeah.
- 54:02Like if we go after like what is easy and what is profitable, then all we're doing is just like loosening our grip on this.
- 54:10Correct.
- 54:11You know?
- 54:11Right.
- 54:11And that's not good.
- 54:13This is why it's so important.
- 54:15I think these conversations where we try to talk about these topics from first principles.
- 54:20Yeah.
- 54:20Because the way we can retain our humanity is...
- 54:23is by always having that frame of reference and mindset, whether it's from a media literacy perspective, whether it's from a science literary perspective, social interpersonal interaction, and,
- 54:37When you're flooded with information everywhere all the time, being able to have a framework to build up what the world, the worldview that you have that is not simply just intaking information and outputting it without processing is like...
- 54:57increasingly and so so important and it's why i love being able to talk to you about these stories it's it's a it's a good time it's a good time i also like thanks for sending me these stories because like the more i the deeper i don't it's like every single like science story just has like so many layers to it and and you you you get such a a kick out of like knowing how we did things
- 55:20At least I do.
- 55:20No, I do too.
- 55:22And that's why we are very excited for next week's installment of Firm First Principles.