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Mega Edition: The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript ( Part 11-14) (8/16/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
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  Speaker 1: back to the Sarah Kellen interview with Congress. Question. On
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  Speaker 1: October twentieth, two thousand and five, police executed a search
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  Speaker 1: warrant for mister Epstein's pom Beach, Florida home. Were you
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  Speaker 1: present for the search? Answer? No? Question When did you
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  Speaker 1: learn that home had been raided? Answer? I don't recall
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  Speaker 1: how I found out. It may have been one of
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  Speaker 1: the house staff members. I don't really have a recollection.
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  Speaker 1: Question did anyone tip mister Epstein off to the search warrant? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question are you aware of any items
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  Speaker 1: being removed from Jeffrey Epstein's pom Beach residents prior to
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  Speaker 1: the raid? Answer? Yes, he called another assistant and told
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  Speaker 1: her to go to the house and remove the computers
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  Speaker 1: from the house. Question who was that assistant? Answer redacted?
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  Speaker 1: Question what did he tell her? Answer? I just overheard
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  Speaker 1: him on the phone with her, so I vaguely the
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  Speaker 1: gist was like, go to the house and take the computers,
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  Speaker 1: and it was my understanding she was to give them
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  Speaker 1: to his attorney. Question do you know how mister Epstein
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  Speaker 1: became aware of the search warrant? Answer I don't. Question
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  Speaker 1: can you describe what he instructed her to remove from
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  Speaker 1: the property? Answer, as far as I can remember, just
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  Speaker 1: the computers. Question did you witness her remove these items
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  Speaker 1: from the property? Answer? No, I was on the island
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  Speaker 1: with them when he called her. Question how did you
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  Speaker 1: overhear the phone call? Answer? I was in front of them.
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  Speaker 1: Question did you learn that the items had in fact
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  Speaker 1: been removed from the property? Answer? I assume they did,
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  Speaker 1: and I've read articles about it, so I assumed it happened.
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  Speaker 1: Question do you have any firsthand knowledge that the assistant
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  Speaker 1: was complicit in removing the items from the property. Did
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  Speaker 1: the assistant ever tell you? Ham jumps in, did you
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  Speaker 1: know that? Do you know if she did that? Brignac
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to ask that one more time so
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  Speaker 1: it's clear on the record. Did the assistant or anyone
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  Speaker 1: else ever tell you that she had in fact remove
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  Speaker 1: the items from the property. Answer? I don't remember. Question
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  Speaker 1: did you hear if anyone else removed the items from
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  Speaker 1: the property? Ham like at the time, not what you've
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  Speaker 1: heard since then, Kellen, It's hard to remember exactly what
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  Speaker 1: I knew at the time versus what I've read. Brignac. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what's your understanding of why he wanted those contents removed
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  Speaker 1: from the property? Answer? I don't know. Question were items
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  Speaker 1: or records intentionally destroyed or withheld from the police as
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  Speaker 1: part of the investigation? Answer? I don't know. I remember
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Valentine's Day because I was having
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  Speaker 1: dinner with my then boyfriend and Jeffrey called me and
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  Speaker 1: had me come leave the dinner to meet him at
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  Speaker 1: his house in New York and he had lawyers there.
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  Speaker 1: Darren Endyke was there and a few of his other attorneys,
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  Speaker 1: and he told me to gather various things from the
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  Speaker 1: house and give it to his attorneys. Question, can you
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  Speaker 1: list those items for me? And to that, Missham jumps
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  Speaker 1: in again. One second, can we go off record? Now
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  Speaker 1: they're back on the record. Ham, We're just confirming on
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  Speaker 1: the victim piece of it. Brignac, I'm going to ask
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  Speaker 1: the question once more or for clarity on the record,
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  Speaker 1: were items or records ever intentionally destroyed or withheld from
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  Speaker 1: the police as part of the investigation. You said yes,
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  Speaker 1: that items you were called and asked to turn over
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  Speaker 1: items to attorneys. I asked you to list those items. Ham.
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  Speaker 1: Can we just clarify in terms of intentionally withheld from police.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure at the time you understood why you
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  Speaker 1: were collecting the information. Kellen correct. Ham, you were asked
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  Speaker 1: to go I'm not trying to put words in your mouth,
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  Speaker 1: but Kellen correct, I was just asked to go around
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  Speaker 1: the house and collect to give to the attorneys. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know the purpose of what they were going to
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  Speaker 1: do with the items. I didn't understand it. That was it.
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  Speaker 1: That's intentionally trying to get cut off by Brignac. Understood
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  Speaker 1: you received an instruction from your boss to remove items
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  Speaker 1: from the property. Answer. I didn't remove it. I was
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  Speaker 1: just gathering it from the floors in the house and
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  Speaker 1: putting it in the dining room for the attorneys. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what they did with it. Question Okay, can
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  Speaker 1: you list the items that you gathered into the dining room? Answered?
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  Speaker 1: Directories and printed photographs? Question which directories? Answer all the
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  Speaker 1: ones Glen's directory that she had printed and we're all
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  Speaker 1: around the houses. Question in which photographs? Ham, We're going
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  Speaker 1: to ask her not to get into the specifics of
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  Speaker 1: photographs because I think that, based on the allegations that
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  Speaker 1: we've heard, could implicate other victims. Brignac, for the record,
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  Speaker 1: are you refusing to answer the question? Answer? I would
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  Speaker 1: like to answer that question, but I need to listen
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  Speaker 1: to my counsel Timmins. And again, for the record, if
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  Speaker 1: she had immunity, would you be able to answer that question? Ham? Yes, Brignac,
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  Speaker 1: who instructed you? Ham jumps in again. Oh, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: if I can jump in, And I want to be
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  Speaker 1: clear because I think sometimes when people talk about immunity
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  Speaker 1: there are some confusion. This would be use immunity. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know that you know this, Congressman, but this would
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  Speaker 1: be use immunity. It's not transactional immunity. She would be
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  Speaker 1: able to speak about items, you know, speak about issues
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  Speaker 1: to this committee, but it's not transactional immunity. Kellen, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what any of that means. Ham. I know
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  Speaker 1: you don't, but it's fine. Go ahead. Brignac, who instructed
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  Speaker 1: you to gather these items for the dining room? Answer
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey question? And what was your understanding of why these
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  Speaker 1: items were being gathered? Answer to give it to the
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  Speaker 1: attorneys that were working on the case. Question how long
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  Speaker 1: after the instruction did the ray take place? Answer? I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe his New York home was ever rated until
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, which would have been some time probably two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six. Question were you aware of security cameras
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  Speaker 1: on mister Epstein's properties? Answer? He had cameras in the
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  Speaker 1: New York house that were directed out to the street,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't recall any cameras being inside at the
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  Speaker 1: New York house. They were all at different angles on
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  Speaker 1: the street. In Palm Beach, he had noticed someone was
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  Speaker 1: stealing cash out of his bag a few times, and
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  Speaker 1: he had pom Beach police come help put like two
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  Speaker 1: hidden cameras by his like one by his desk and
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  Speaker 1: one I think in the garage to try and catch
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  Speaker 1: whoever it was like breaking in and stealing his money.
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  Speaker 1: And they caught the old house man that was fired
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  Speaker 1: sneaking in and stealing It was actually Larry Vasoski who
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  Speaker 1: put cameras in a clean xbox. Hell of a job
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  Speaker 1: for a pilot, huh. Question was the camera footage ever
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  Speaker 1: turned over to the police or FBI? Answer? I don't
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  Speaker 1: recall exactly what happened with the footage or yeah, question
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  Speaker 1: do you have access to the camera footage or did
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  Speaker 1: you have access to the camera footage? Answer? I don't remember,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it had gone to one of the computers.
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  Speaker 1: There's an office in the kitchen. There was a desktop,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm fairly certain it somehow was connected to the computer.
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  Speaker 1: Tion im miss Kellen, there have been allegations at the
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  Speaker 1: camera footage has been used for black mail purposes. How
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  Speaker 1: do you respond to that allegation? Answer? I'm not aware
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  Speaker 1: of any black mailing yet. Tell that to Bill Gates.
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  Speaker 1: Question and are you aware of whether the computer hard
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  Speaker 1: drives were removed from the Palm Beach residence prior to
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  Speaker 1: the raid of the Palm Beach residence in October two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and five? Answer only what I just discribed VI
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  Speaker 1: as him telling his other assistant to remove them. Timmins,
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  Speaker 1: you have described physical violence, choking, and other physical interactions.
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  Speaker 1: Did any of those interactions result in visible bruising abrasions? Kellen?
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  Speaker 1: Nonverbal response? Timmins, No, Kellen, no Brignac. You reference gifts
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  Speaker 1: that mister Epstein received while he was imprisoned. Who provided
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  Speaker 1: these gifts to Epstein? Ham? I don't think she mentioned
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  Speaker 1: that sort of but she interpreted to be sort of
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  Speaker 1: special favors like Skype, and that you understand that at
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  Speaker 1: his direction gifts were being given to people, not to
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein, but given gifts to others, Miss Kellen, Right, Brignac, question,
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  Speaker 1: the cash and the Disney tickets were someone else from
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein? Is that correct? Answer? Correct question? Okay? Were
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  Speaker 1: massages a part of Epstein's routine day? Ham? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think we're going to avoid massages. Just again. I know
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  Speaker 1: that the allegations are in this case, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get her into the other victims. Brignac And
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  Speaker 1: for the record, are you refusing to answer the question, Kellen?
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  Speaker 1: I would like to answer the question, I really would,
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  Speaker 1: but I need to listen to my counsel. Brignac. How
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  Speaker 1: was contact information for the messuses procured? Ham? This is
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  Speaker 1: the same issue, Brignac. And for the record, are you
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  Speaker 1: refusing to answer the question? Ham? I'm asking her just
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  Speaker 1: based on the scope that we lay it out, and
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  Speaker 1: given that this is a voluntary interview to avoid certain topics,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope that people do not infer anything by
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  Speaker 1: her silence. Sorry, we do, okay, we do. This is
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  Speaker 1: just another sham voluntary interview, no teeth. Nothing happens if
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  Speaker 1: she lies, and I hope that people do not infer
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  Speaker 1: anything by her silence. She wishes, as she mentioned many times,
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  Speaker 1: that she could talk on these subjects, but this is
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  Speaker 1: not unfortunately, has not been presented to her in a
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  Speaker 1: format in which that is possible. Timmins. But should the
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  Speaker 1: committee provide immunity, she would be able to answer the questions. Ham, Yeah, Timmins, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And that's because she's guilty. I hate to say of folks,
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  Speaker 1: but she's guilty. Now two things can be true at
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  Speaker 1: the same time. Sure, she was victimized by Epstein, but
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  Speaker 1: she's also guilty. Brignac. Can you provide the committee with
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  Speaker 1: an age range of the messuses that came to the house, Pam,
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  Speaker 1: this is the same issue. Thank you, Brignac for the record.
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  Speaker 1: Are you refusing to answer the question? Pam, for the record.
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  Speaker 1: I've asked her, based on the scope that she's prepared
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  Speaker 1: to discuss today, to not answer these questions, but as
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  Speaker 1: she mentioned many times, she would have preferred to be
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  Speaker 1: answering them, Miss Brignac, is that a yes, Kellen. I
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  Speaker 1: need to listen to my counsel's advice. Question, Miss Kellen,
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  Speaker 1: are you familiar with the birthday book that was compiled
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  Speaker 1: for mister Epstein's fiftieth birthday in January of two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and three? Answer yes. Question what was your role with
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  Speaker 1: the birthday book? Answer? I helped put it together, kind
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  Speaker 1: of scan the entries and take it to a binder
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  Speaker 1: so that it's bound into a leather bound. I think
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  Speaker 1: there were two or three books that it entelled. Question
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  Speaker 1: did you make a submission to the birthday book? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: I did, Kellen. Majority Exhibit number one was marked for identification. Briniant,
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  Speaker 1: I would like to introduce majority Exhibit one. This is
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  Speaker 1: the letter from a book that was compiled as a
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  Speaker 1: gift for Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday in January two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and three by Glenn Maxwell. I'll give you a moment
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  Speaker 1: to review, and please let me know when you're ready. Ham,
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  Speaker 1: Is there a certain page you wanted to look at? Her?
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing? Brignac, the whole thing? Question ready? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh. Question. The Committee is aware that these letters
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  Speaker 1: and pictures contain redactions. However, the unredacted version of that
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  Speaker 1: photo on page four has been made publicly available and
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  Speaker 1: therefore the committee believes a submission to be made by you.
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  Speaker 1: Is that correct? Answer? It's not my submission, but this
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  Speaker 1: is a photo of me and him. Question who submitted
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  Speaker 1: this compilation of letters and photographs? Answer? It was another
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  Speaker 1: assistant Ham. It's fine, We'll ask four redactions at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Brignac redacted. Did miss Maxwell provide or redacted provide you
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  Speaker 1: with any instructions or suggestions for what you should write
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  Speaker 1: in the birthday book? Kellen? I mean, she's the one
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  Speaker 1: that asked for us give submissions. I didn't remember what
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  Speaker 1: I submitted until I saw it in the files. I
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  Speaker 1: think she did help with the kind of the reference
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  Speaker 1: of what I submitted, Tolan, And what was your submission, Kellen?
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  Speaker 1: It was also like photographs of me in a bikini,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was like showing gratitude, basically saying
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  Speaker 1: that I was like nothing. I don't remember the exact words,
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  Speaker 1: like the gist, like you know, I had nothing, I'm
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  Speaker 1: grateful for kind of what you've given me sort of thing, Brignac.
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  Speaker 1: Alongside those bikini photos, the entry states and I quote
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  Speaker 1: and thought you might like ellipses some bikini shots. Did
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  Speaker 1: you write this, Kellen, no in this submission. No, that's
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  Speaker 1: not me. Ham, that's not you, Kellen, No, Ham, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this two twenty four is not her. I think page two. Brignac.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know why this collection of letters and photographs
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  Speaker 1: might have been grouped together for the book? Kellen? I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why redacted would have included a photo
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  Speaker 1: of myself in her submission. Brignac. Thank you. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next
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  Speaker 1: episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off. All the information that goes with
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  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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  Speaker 1: off with the Sarah Helen interview with Congress Ms Toland
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  Speaker 1: and then just to go back to something that you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. You had mentioned that mister Dyke helped you
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  Speaker 1: get an attorney at some point? Is that correct answer? Yes? Question,
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  Speaker 1: and I apologize if this is repetitive, But at what
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  Speaker 1: time frame was that answer? I believe for sure around
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. I'm trying to think if it was sooner
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  Speaker 1: than that. I don't know if he had anything to
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  Speaker 1: do with my very first attorney, Bruce Reinhart, but he
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  Speaker 1: helped higher. I think it was twenty fifteen. It was
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  Speaker 1: Scott Link, Justin Chew, and a few others that I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember that. I think it may have been two
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  Speaker 1: different firms. Question that's okay, I'd actually like to talk
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  Speaker 1: about Bruce's rein Hart. You said that he was your
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  Speaker 1: first attorney. One was that answer two thousand and eight
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  Speaker 1: or nine? Probably question for the purpose of the non
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  Speaker 1: prosecution agreement or something separate? Answer? No, just to represent
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  Speaker 1: me in a deposition for a civil suit. Question okay.
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  Speaker 1: And did Jeffrey Epstein help Was he involved in that
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  Speaker 1: process at all? Answer? Yes, question getting the attorney? Answer
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  Speaker 1: he found them, he hired him, he paid him. He
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  Speaker 1: would have discussions with Bruce about my depositions. Question And
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  Speaker 1: what did you understand his Bruce Reinhardt's relationship to be
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  Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer Bruce shared an office with Jeffrey's attorney,
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  Speaker 1: Jack Goldberger, so I felt more like he was working
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  Speaker 1: for him and not me. Question And did you know
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  Speaker 1: if mister rein Hart was still working for the US
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  Speaker 1: Attorney's Office at that time. Answer, I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: was aware that he worked for the US Attorney's Office
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  Speaker 1: until much later. Question okay, answer yeah, thank you, Miss Brynac.
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  Speaker 1: Can you list for us the associates of mister Epstein
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  Speaker 1: that you interacted with the most frequently in working for
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein? Miss am like other people that work for
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  Speaker 1: mister Epstein or provided services to mister Epstein. Yes, staff
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  Speaker 1: or outside people, Miss Brynac. Staff. The question is can
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  Speaker 1: you list for me the other associates of mister Epstein
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  Speaker 1: that you work with most frequently in your role as
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  Speaker 1: his assistant? Answer? All the house staff, the pilots, the chefs.
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  Speaker 1: Question is there anyone that we have not yet referenced
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  Speaker 1: today that you work with frequently in your position as
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  Speaker 1: his assistant? Answer? I mean all the house staff. Richard Barnett, Lynn,
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  Speaker 1: Jojo Fontania, Jani SEUs banisek Luela Rabbeo Bryce and Karen Gordon,
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  Speaker 1: Valdsen Kotrin. I mean those would have been the ones
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  Speaker 1: that were around the longest. In the house staff. They
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  Speaker 1: always ended. I mean most of the house staff work
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  Speaker 1: for him for probably twenty years. Question where any of
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  Speaker 1: them aware of the abuse by mister Epstein's toward you. Answer.
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  Speaker 1: The house staff would have been aware when I slept
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  Speaker 1: in his bed, for sure New York, when he would
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  Speaker 1: call me and have me sleep with him, because they
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  Speaker 1: would have to open the door for me when I
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  Speaker 1: came over at night. What extent they knew what was happening,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but they would have known that I
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  Speaker 1: had spent the night. Question can you name them? Answer
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  Speaker 1: Lennon Jojo Fontania. I feel like the island staff would
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  Speaker 1: have been aware. Question who would that be? Answer Miles
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  Speaker 1: and Kathy Alexander for the first few years, and then
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  Speaker 1: Bryce and Karen Gordon during the latter part. Question Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: mister Emmer. We've had another member join. Can she please
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  Speaker 1: introduce herself for the record. Miss Stansbury, Good afternoon. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Congresswoman Stansbury, New Mexico's first congressional district. Thank you, mister Emmer.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Bobert, I believe you had some questions that you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to ask. Miss Bobert. Yeah, in some redacted files,
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  Speaker 1: you're listed as number five as a co conspirator. If
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  Speaker 1: you had immunity, would you be able to give information
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  Speaker 1: about the other people that are listed as co conspirators. Kellen,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that that's a fair representation. Bobert. Did
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  Speaker 1: the DOJ ever interview you and tell you that you
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  Speaker 1: were a co conspirator? Kellen? No, I wasn't aware that
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  Speaker 1: I was being included in his non prosecution agreement. Bobert.
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  Speaker 1: How much time do we have remaining? Tol in five minutes?
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  Speaker 1: Bobert Okay. There's an email that was redacted, and the
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  Speaker 1: email is to Sarah Kay. There are a couple of
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Kays in these files that have been redacted. This
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  Speaker 1: would be from Francis Derby and this is you or
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: excuse me, Sarah Kay, saying that Jeffrey Epstein was going
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to start eating regular food again and eating less jerky.
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  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with this email, miss Kellen? Vaguely with
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  Speaker 1: the subject, Bobert okay, So that said he has six
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  Speaker 1: bags of it downstairs in his freezer for his next trip.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you've answered some reference to these food questions,
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  Speaker 1: but is this one hundred percent undoubtedly regular normal beef
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  Speaker 1: jerky from an animal that people consume, Kellen, one hundred percent,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Miss Bobert. Where gets cut off by Kellen? The chef
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: made homemade beef jerky for Jeffrey and he was obsessed
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: with it. Bolbert. What chef was this? Kellen Francis Derby
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: was the chef? Bobert Okay, And did you ever order
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: specific items that were unusual? We saw that there was
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a large purchase of sulfuric acid toward the end of
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's stay on Little Saint James Island. Did you
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: ever see such purchases made? Kellen no, Ham, do you
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: have the time period for that, just to the extent
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: it might help, Bolbert, I can get that time period.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It was much later. It was probably around twenty nineteen
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: or so that that happened. Ham. Oh, she wasn't working,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: so she would know. Bolbert correct. I'm just asking if
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: in your time did you see any unusual purchases like
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: one hundreds of gallons of sulfuric acid being made? Kellen no, Bobert.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: In every piece of course respondence you had with Jeffrey
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Epstein and his associates, the words you said were the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: exact words you meant, and there were no coding. There
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: was no coding use whatsoever. Kellen correct, Bobert Okay, that's
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: all I have Brignak, is there anything that I have
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: not asked you today that you believe is relevant to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: this inquiry? Kellen, I think in general that I would
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like to kind of bring awareness to and I said
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: it in the beginning of just being educated on the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: grooming process. I think it's really important because I think
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: there's been so much sensationalism and so many conspiracy theories
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: around Jeffrey that it has become. I think the dangers
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: are that people think it was such an open thing
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and there was so many things happening out in the open,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and how did nobody know what was going on? But
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I think Jeffrey was a true master manipulator, and he
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: knew how to compartmentalize and what he allowed certain people
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: to see and know. And I think it's because it
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't so obvious that it's really important part for people
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to understand, and it's more important if you want to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: have bring awareness to this to other situations, so people
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: it's like the covert nature of it, like the grooming
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and you know the targeting of vulnerable victims, gaining their
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: trust kind of essentially trapping them. It's more of the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: psychological abuse more than anything that allows for the sexual
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: abuse to happen. So I kind of think educating people
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: on that is really important because a lot of people
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: don't understand how it works from the outside. They kind
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: of say, like, why didn't you leave, or how didn't
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you know this? Or how didn't you know that. It's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: kind of like the gas lighting and the control. Brignac,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: thank you, miss Ham. Could I just clarify one thing
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: if we have time, Just mister Berlison asked you about
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: meetings with Ehud Barack, and I know you mentioned New York,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: but you met with Barack in other countries as well, Kelln,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: in Israel. Ham, Yeah, I just want to be clear
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that the meetings weren't just in New York, Kelln. We
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: were in Israel with at w Hood Barrock one time,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and there was never times where he was briefing or
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: being briefed. Did you see that, Kellen. I wouldn't have
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: been present like in their private meetings, Berlisten, it was
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: all just personal, Kellen. I don't know what the subject
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: matters were. They seem to meet each other quite often,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: but I don't know what the subject matter was in
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: their discussion Brignac, Miss Kellen, there were instances today in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: which you refuse to answer. We understand that you're here voluntarily,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and we appreciate your testimony for the record. Would you
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: invoke your Fifth Amendment rights against self incrimination in response
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to any or all of the questions if you were
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: compelled to answer them in another setting, Miss Ham, I
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: think we'd have to go through those questions by question,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and so we've identified what she's able to talk about today.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: But to go through a question by question in a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: voluntary setting, in a non deposition about how she would respond,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: we're not prepared to do that. You know, as I've mentioned,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I think the record reflects this. She's answered a lot
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: of questions today and she truly is trying to be
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: helpful to the committee's investigation. But we have to consider
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the impact on her, consider the impact on other victims,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and consider you know, her legal rights and her protection.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: And so we're trying to give as much information as
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: we can under those parameters. Miss Brignac, thank you, Chairman.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Comer Miss Kellen, We greatly appreciate your willingness to come
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in today. I can't imagine how difficult this has been
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: for you, but this has been very helpful to us,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and we sincerely want to provide justice for the survivors,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and I think your testimony today has been very helpful
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: for us. So just on the behalf of the oversight committee,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being here today. Kellen,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Brignac. We'll go off the record now they're
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: back on the record. Question, Miss Kellen, good afternoon. Answer, Hi, question.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start by following up on the conversation
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: during the previous round about the removal of certain items
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: from Jeffrey Epstein's pies. I think you spoke about this
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: at some length. I don't want to make you repeat yourself,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but I do want to make sure that we're clear
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: on the chronology and the details. So I understand from
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that discussion. First of all, that you overheard a phone
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: call involving another assistant redacted. Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question?
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: The court reporter needs a verbal yes answer. Oh sorry, yeah, sorry? Question?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you? And could you just recount the conversation again
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: so that we're clear on the participants and the substance
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of it. Answer. Jeffrey and I were on the island
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and I heard him on the phone with redacted to
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: tell her to go to the house. Question when did
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: this conversation take place? Answer sometime in two thousand and five,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I believe. Question and mister Epstein told Redacted to go
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to the house. Sorry I interrupted you. Answer. Yeah, she
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: lived in Miami. She was based in Miami with her husband,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: so she would have been here Palm Beach. So he
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: told her to go to the house, get the computers,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and it was my understanding to give them to his attorney.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Did he say which attorney? Question? Answer? I believe it
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: was Roy Black, but I don't remember, like he knew
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that at the time or if I found out later.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Question and when he said get the computers, did he
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: mention any other type of equipment or hardware or was
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it just computers generically? Answer? I just remember computers generically.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Question do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein had retained a
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: private investigator at that point in time? Answer? I knew
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: he had one. I don't know exactly when he came
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: into the scene. He had a strange voice and like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a lisp. Answer, but I think it was William Riley?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Was his name? Was there any mention of William Riley
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: during the phone conversation with hdacted? Answer? I don't remember specifically.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Question and do you have any knowledge with respect to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: where the computers ultimately ended up? Answer? I don't. Question.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I understand that there was another conversation that took place
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: in New York and this concern the removal of the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: directory that we spoke about this morning. Is that correct? Answer? Yes?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Question And when did that conversation take place? Answer? That
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: was I believe it was Valentine's Day of two thousand
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and six, just because I remember he called me during
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Valentine's Day dinner with my boyfriend at the time, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he had me come to the house. Question and when
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you got to the house, who was there? Answered Darren
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Endyke and other attorneys? I believe it was Gerald Leftcourt
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and potentially other attorneys. I just don't remember exactly. Question
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: was mister Riley there? Answer? No, he was Florida based.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Question And when you arrived this was at mister Epstein's
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: house in New York? Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question? Okay?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And when you arrived at this meeting, do you recall
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: what was said? Answer? He just told me what to
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: go around the house and gather into the dining room downstairs.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Question he being answered Jeffrey. Question and what did he
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: tell you? Answer? He told me to grab printed photographs
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and directories, is what I remember. And it seemed that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the attorneys were gathering everything that they were going to take.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Question did the attorney say anything? Answer? I don't have
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a specific recollection. Question and the directories that mister Epstein
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: directed you together? Are those the same directories that we
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: spoke about this morning? Answer yes. Question and where were
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: those stored? Answer? They were replaced by all the phones
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in all the houses? Question so these were hard copies?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Answer yes. Question and how many of them were there?
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Answer many? They were in all the houses, buy all
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the phones. Question and so you gathered them up? Answer yes?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Question did anyone else do that with you? Answer? I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: don't remember. Question And after you gathered them, what did
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you do with them? Answer? I put them on the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: dining room table on the dining room table. Question okay,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and then what happened? Answer? I don't know. Question did
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: anyone say anything about where they would ultimately be taken? Answer? No,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I just the general understanding that his lawyers would be
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: taken them. I don't know where they took them or
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: what they did with it. Question do you have any
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: knowledge with respect to where the directories ultimately ended up.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Answer no. Question, And you mentioned mister Endyke was part
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: of the group. Did he have a particular role in
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the endeavor? Answer I'm not sure. I think he was
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: just Jeffrey's in house council, so he kind of had
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: his hands in all things legal. Question if I could
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: just turn back for a moment to the investigation in
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Florida that you were asked about in the previous round,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: was there any point in time at which Jeffrey Epstein
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: told you not to cooperate with law enforcement? Answer no.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Question did he ever tell you what to say to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: law enforcement? Answer no, I was never approached by law enforcement.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Question did anyone else instruct you not to interact with
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: law enforcement in the event they communicated with you? Answer
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: not that I recall. Question there was mentioned during the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: previous round of the Florida Science Foundation, and I take
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: it you're familiar with that entity. Answer yes. Question do
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: you have an understanding as to when the Florida Science
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Foundation was set up? Answer? I don't know if it
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: existed before his work release. Question do you have any
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: understanding as to why it was set up? Answer? I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: assumed it was so he could get work release, have
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: somewhere to go. Question, to your knowledge, did the Florida
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Science Foundation have any genuine operations? Answer? I have no idea.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Question did you ever hear anyone suggests that Florida Science
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Foundation was set up simply in order to give Jeffrey
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Epstein a place to do his work release? Answer that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: felt like what was happening? Question did anyone ever say that? Answer?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if those exact words, but that's generally
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: what I understood. Question do you recall any conversations about that? Answer?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Not particularly. I just remember like being tasked with buying
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: furniture and setting up the office. Miss Ham. Would you
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: mind on the Palm Beach Police if you don't, if
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: we could clarify something you interacted with the Palm Beach
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Police before the search, weren't right you mentioned this before,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: but relating to the theft in the house, Kellen Wright,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like before he was being investigated and they came to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: put cameras in to catch the thief. Ham, But that
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: was only that was the only time that you interacted. Question.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Just a few follow up questions with respect to the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: birthday book that was discussed in the previous round. If
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I understood correctly, and please tell me if I got
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this wrong. You were involved in scamming images from the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Birthday Book? Is that right? Answer? Yes? Question okay? And
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that was before the book was presented to Jeffrey Epstein.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Answer before Glaine reached out to whoever she wanted to
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: participate with the book, and then they would give a submission,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and then we would scan that submission and print it
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: out uniform so they were all the same size and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: on the same size of paper, and then we had
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: all those papers bound into leatherbound books. Question I understand,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: thank you. Do you recall the specific entry in the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Birthday Book that was provided by Donald Trump? Answer? I don't. Question.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Did Donald Trump submit that entry directly to Glene Maxwell?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Answer most likely? Question okay, do you recall any conversation
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: about Donald Trump's contribution to the Birthday Book? Answer? I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: don't really remember any specific contributions to the book. I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: didn't even remember my own question by misredacted. I just
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have a few questions for you, miss Kellen. In the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: previous round, you spoke about SLK Designs employing a woman
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: named or redacted? Was this the only other person besides
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you that worked at SLK Design? Answer yeah. Question and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: who did SLK? What were the clients of SLK Design?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Was it just Epstein? Answer just Epstein? Question okay? And
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: are you familiar with the name Arda. Bescardis? Answer yes.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Question who was he? Answer? He's an immigration attorney that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Darren Endyke introduced me to to help with the application
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: redacted visa question? Did he work for Epstein or you aware? Answer?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I think he had his own firm, but I know
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that I think he did a lot of work for Jeffrey.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I remember him making when he introduced me, he said
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: he would give me a good price because he had
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of history with Darren, so it seems that
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: they had worked together in the past. Question do you
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: know any of the work that they did together in
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the past? Answer? I think he helped with one of
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey's girlfriends that I knew of. Other than that, I'm
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: not entirely sure. Question when you say helped Kellen help
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: with her visa? Question and do you know which girlfriend
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that was? Answer redacted? Question was this the only time
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that you interacted with Arta? Answer yes? Question thank you?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Answer during that process? Question Okay, I have a few
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: questions for you about Frederick Focai. I would just like
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to get a better sense of the relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: What was your understanding of that relationship? Answer? Jeffrey took
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: me and himself in Glane and we all went to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Fakai's salon to get our hair done. And I believe
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that Jeffrey helped broke a deal with Forkai and L
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Brands less Wexner's company. I believe they bought Fakai's brand.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Question do you know when that deal would have been Answer?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It was during my employment, because I remember his salon
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: changed locations. It was like near the channel of the
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Chanelle building at first, and then it moved to Henry Bendel,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: which less Wexner owned. Question Okay, so early on in
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: your employment or Kellen maybe within the first few years. Question,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: so was your understanding of their relationship Epstein and Forkai
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: a social relationship or a business relationship? Answer? Both would
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: be my understanding. I do remember a flight that Forkai
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: took on his plane to Paris one time. Question for
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: social activities. Answer, I think he was just catching a ride.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Question do you know how the two of them met
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: answer I. Question it was before you met Forakai and Epstein.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Answer correct. Question and you mentioned that you and Glaine
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and Epstein would get your haircut there. Are you aware
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of other women that either work for Epstein orre just
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: in his orbit that would also go and get their
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: haircut with Forkai? Answer yes. Question were you aware of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Epstein introducing women to Fokai? Answer? For Kai introduced me
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to Epstein the first time I met him? Question okay,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: but not Epstein? Answer I don't know the other way.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Question okay, And you mentioned Wexner, so I'd just like
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to briefly touch on you mentioned meeting him a couple times.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Were you ever aware of Epstein stealing money from Wexner?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Answer no, I only found out about that in the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: press when Wexner said it happened. Question okay, thank you redacted.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Question you mentioned Leslie Groff previously. What was your relationship
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: with her? Answer? We were co workers. She was like
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey's executive assistant that worked in the office in New York.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Question would you say that we were close? Answer? We
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: were friendly, but nothing outside of work. Question when you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: would go to New York, where would you like? What
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: space would you typically work out of Answer. So the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: first year from me about two thousand and one, two,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I want to say twenty ten. I worked out of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Galland's house in New York, out of her townhouse on
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: sixty fifth Street. She had an office in the bottom floor.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And then when Jeffrey was released from house arrest in
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach and came to New York, I started working
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: out of the townhouse at seventy first Street. Question. When
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: miss Groff started working for mister Epstein, did she also
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: work out of the townhouse? Answer? So, she was at
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the Madison office in the beginning, and then when Jeffrey
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: got rid of that office, he took over two apartments
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: at three Oho one East sixty sixth Street, and she
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: worked in that office one of those offices. And then
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: when Jeffrey got back to New York after house arrest, Leslie,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: when Jeffrey was in New York, she would work out
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of that house. Otherwise I think she stayed at home
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and worked out of the house if she wasn't in town. Question.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: So after his house arrest, the two of you would
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: work in the same space. Answer. She was on the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: main floor and I worked on the fifth floor. Of
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the townhouse question, got it? What was your understanding of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: her responsibilities? Answer? She would keep track of his schedule.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: He would make all the phone calls through her. Typically
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: he would just call and say, connect me to this person,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: connect me to that person. She helped, I believe, with
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the scheduling of the apartments at three oh one, like
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: where the guests were, like the schedule of that giving massages, messages,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: like relaying messages from Epstein to various people, to the staff,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. Question And did she also
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: help with the scheduling? Sorry, this is different The sixty
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: sixth Street is at a different building than the one
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that you just mentioned, the three oh one E sixty
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: sixth Street. Yeah question, okay, great, thank you. Would she
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: also book travel answer yes? Question? And would she also
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: do that for his personal plane and also commercial travel? Answer?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yes question? And she would also schedule meetings? Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Do you know whether she paid girls and women? Answer?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: right here, and then the next episode dealing with the topic,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: We're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: information that goes with this episode can be found in
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: pick up where he left off with the Sarah Kellen
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: interview with Congress. Question do you remember what you talked
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: about at all? Answer? I think I knew that he
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: was like a donor or maybe like a wing named
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: after him or something. He was involved. He was a
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: big art collector, so he had involvement with the museum.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Question what was your sense of mister Black personally? Answer?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I knew he had a mistress, and I remember I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: think his mistress was with him at the dinner in Paris,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: and I remember seeing him walking on Madison Avenue with
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: his mistress and being surprised that he was being so
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: brazen and bold out in the open with a mistress
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: in the city that his wife lived in. Question and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: that is the same general time frame at least like
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: post work release maybe answer maybe? Question okay for the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: dinner in Paris. So what was mister Black, Mister Epstein,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you mister Black's mistress anyone else? Answer? I don't remember specifically.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Question and where in Paris was it at? Answer at
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a restaurant? Question Okay, do you remember what was talked about? Answer? No?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Question Okay, did you have any other interactions with mister Black? Answer?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I ran into him after I stopped employment with Jeffrey
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: at the Milken Conference. I think that was in I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: want to say it was in Singapore, and I said hello,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and it was just a very short interaction. Question do
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you know approximately what year this would have been. Answer?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: It would have probably been twenty fourteen, fourteen or fifteen.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Question is there anyone with them? Answer? It was kind
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of just like in general public area. Yeah, I don't
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: remember him being with anybody. Question, got it? Do you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: know if mister Black ever went to Little Saint James? Answer?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, not that I witnessed or recall him
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: being there. Question and just to step back a bit,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: what was your understanding of the nature of the relationship
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: between mister Epstein and mister Black. Answer? I assume Jeffrey
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: was managing his money. Question anything else? Answer? They seem friendly. Question. Previously,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you mentioned the photograph that you took of a number
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: of different men, I believe in New York City, Larry Summers,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Jess Staley, others. Correct answer correct. Question Do you remember
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: approximately when that was? Answer twenty eleven, maybe twenty ten,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven probably. Question and was it in mister Epstein's
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: gets cut off by Kellen. Answer it was in his
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: New York home. It was in the foyer outside of
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the dining room, Miss Ham. This was after he was
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: back from work. Release if you don't mind me asking Kevin, yes,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Miss Ham, okay, question mis redacted. Do you remember why
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: all those men were in his home? Was it a
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: dinner a meeting? Answer? I think it was a dinner.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Question And how did you come to take the photograph
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: of him? Answer? When he had dinners like that, he
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: would have me just stay at the house a lot
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: of times to be available to either help serve or
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: if there was anything that was needed he needed while
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: he was in the meeting. So I remember they had
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a meeting in the dining room, and then they came
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: out and Jeffrey asked me to take a picture of
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: all of them together. Question do you have any sense
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: of what the meeting was about? Answer? I don't. Question
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: do you remember anyone else who was there but who
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: was not in the photo? Answer? No? Question okay. Did
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you have any other interaction with mister Staley. Answer, I
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: know that him and his family flew on the plane
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: one time, his wife and his two daughters. Question were
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you on the plane with them? Answer yes? Question what
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: was your sense of him personally? Answer that he was
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey's private banker. Question any other interactions. Answer? I think
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: just from the photograph, like when he would come to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the house for meetings. It was maybe just seeing him
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: in passing kind of thing. But I mean, nothing substantative
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that I can remember. I just know, like I know
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the name, I know who he was. Question sure, did
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you have a sense of mister Staley's personal relationship with
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: mister Epstein? Answer? They were definitely friendly. For sure. I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: feel like when jess Like moved banks, then Jeffrey moved
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: banks with them or something. Question okay, answer and it
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: was JP Morgan the Barclays. I believe. I think it
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: was from JP Morgan to Barclays. Question two quick questions
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: going back to the Florida investigation and the plea, And
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the first one concerns Richard Kahn. Do you have any
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: knowledge of when mister Kahn became I'm aware of Jeffrey
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Epstein's arrest. Answer no. Question did you ever talk about
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that with mister Kahn. Answer no question. And the second
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: question is concerning Bruce Reinhart, whose name came up in
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: a previous round. Do you have any idea how he
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: came to be associated with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? I don't.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if maybe Jack Goldberger may have made
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the introduction because they shared an office in Florida. Question
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and then fast forwarding again in time twenty eighteen, specifically
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: December of twenty eighteen. It's my understanding that Jeffrey Epstein
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: made a payment to you in the amount of two
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Am I right about that? Answer? Yes?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Question what's your understanding as to why Jeffrey Epstein paid
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: you that amount of money? Answer? I was telling him
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: about my financial situation between me and my ex husband,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that we had gutted our apartment a few months before.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: He was in the hospital with emergency open heart surgery
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and had to stop his and wasn't making any didn't
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: have any income, so he spent basically his entire savings
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: trying to rebuild the apartment and it wasn't enough, and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: then we were trying to refinance, so he couldn't refinance
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: it unless it was livable, but we couldn't make it
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: livable without refinancing it. So it was just this bad,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: stressful situation. And I remember telling Jeffrey about it and
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: expressing it, and he got on the phone and called
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Richard Kahn and said, why are Sarah this money? So
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I assumed it was kind of to help alleviate some
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: of that stress. Question during the course of that conversation,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: did he ever mention the investigation that was under way
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in the Southern District of New York? Answer? No, question.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Did he ever mention the series of articles that had
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: begun to appear in the Miami Herald in November of
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Answer? I believe that he mentioned it to him,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and he kind of just dismissed it. He was like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing, the exact same thing, just being regurgitated,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: like kind of it was just like, what ever, it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: old news and just kind of dismissed it. Question and
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you mentioned it during the same conversation. Answer yes, question okay,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: did Jeffrey Epstein tell you not to mention the two
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars payment to anyone? Answer he did.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Question did he tell you why he didn't want you
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to mention it? Answer? He did not. Question did you
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: have an understanding? Answer? I had no idea. I didn't
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: know if maybe he didn't want to make other people
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: jealous or something. Question did you ever suspect that the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: timing of the payment was an indication that was intended
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: to keep you from working with the Southern District of
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: New York or other law enforcement? Answer that was not
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: my understanding. Like I said, he sort of just dismissed
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the Miami Herald articles and I wasn't aware that there
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: was an investigation happening at the time. Question when was
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the last time you were in contact with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: He would occasionally email me, like on my birthday, Happy
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Birthday type of thing. I don't remember the last time
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: that was. Question did he ever contact after his arrest
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen? Answer? No question. I have just one
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: follow up question on mister Endyke and mister Kahan. Did
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: either one of them ever open up a bank account
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: for you? Answer? So there was a bank account for
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: SLK Designs. I don't remember exactly. I may have opened
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: it myself, But then like redacted managed it kind of
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the payroll for redacted and the sort of thing I
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: didn't really I didn't really deal with it. Question redacted
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: managed the SLK account? Answer yes, question and did she
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: do so on the behalf of mister Kahn? Answer? They
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: worked together. I don't know how they divided their responsibilities.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Question And did either mister Cohn or redacted have control
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: over the account? Meaning could they make deposits and withdrawals?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Answer yes. Question And did you have that sort of
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: control over any other accounts that you were a part
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: of or that you owned? Answer no, question, Ham, Can
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I just ask to clarify? What about did you have
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like work credit cards able to make payments on them? Kelen? Yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I had the type of work credit cards that they paid.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Question Did they ever make any payments, whether from a
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: bank account or a credit card that you were unaware
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of and found out about later? Answer? I don't think so.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Question or without your consent? Answer if they had, I'm sorry.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Question did they ever like make a payment from any
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: of the accounts we've been talking about, be it a
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: bank account or a credit card account without your knowledge
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: or your consent? Answer? It could have been possible I'm
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: not aware, but they would have been able to, you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: have checks or whatever from the SLK Designs account. Question
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Miss Kellen, I just have a couple questions. Last August,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Glenn Maxwell was transferred to a minimum security prison. How
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: do you feel about that decision? Answer? I find it suspicious,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: not quite sure why that would have happened. Question you
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: find it suspicious because the nature of her crimes aren't
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: consistent with being in a minimum security prison. Answer. I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: don't really know what kind of prison she's meant to
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: be in for those crimes, but it seems like she's
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: kind of being treated favorably. Question Okay, so you disagree
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: with the decision to move her to a minimum security prison. Answer? Yeah. Question,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and there's been reports that she's been given special treatment
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: in this new prison. How do you feel about that? Answer?
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: It seems like we're kind of repeating Jeffrey's experience in
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: prison being treated favorably and getting favorable treatment. Question auhah, understood,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Question one quick follow up with respect to
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Leon Black. You said his mistress was with them at
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the dinner in Paris. Then you also said you saw
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: him with her when you ran into him on the street. Answer,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I saw them walking. Yeah. Question do you remember what
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the mistress name was? Answer? I don't. Question was it
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the same person in both instances? Answer yes? Question Okay,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: thank you, Miss Stansbury. Hello Kellen High Stansbury, thank you
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: so much for being here today. Represent New Mexico's first
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: congressional district. Zoro Ranch is not my district, but adjacent
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to my district, and I'm sure you're aware you've probably
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: been seeing in the news that our state legislature has
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: opened the Truth Commission. It's a legislative body, and part
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of what our Truth Commission is trying to do is
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to try to establish the facts around the ranch, what
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: happened there, whether or not abused happened there. I know
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: that you were asked some questions earlier. I wasn't able
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to be here this morning, so I just want to
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: follow up on some pieces of the story that are
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: particular interest to our commission and also your experience there,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: because I understand from the earlier questions that you had
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: traveled there, so I understand that your bio that you
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: were involved on a day to day basis in management
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: of the affairs and properties of mister Epstein. Did you
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: also play that role at Zoro Ranch as well, Kellen,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I wasn't really involved in like the he had staff,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: like permanent staff that lived at the ranch that managed
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: it and took care of it. Stansbury. So what was
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: your specific role at the ranch then, Kellen? It was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: more just still the capacity of Jeffrey and Glane's personal assistant. Stansbury. Okay.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: So that was the only when they were physically there
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that you played that role, Kellen, Yes, question, Stansbury. So
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: who managed the day to day affairs when you were
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: not there? Kellen? There were several people Karen and Bryce,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Gordon Stansbury, Gordon Kellen, Gordon Stansbury, Okay, Kellen. They were
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: kind of the main ones. There were definitely ones before
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: their employment. I just don't remember. There was like kind
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: of a driver manager. His name was Monaalito. I don't
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: remember his last name. Stansbury, Uh huh, Kellen. There was
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: there was a woman, she was a woman manager in
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the very beginning, and I don't remember her name exactly,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and then eventually Bryce and Karen took over from there.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I know there were a few others other staff members
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that worked on the ranch, and I just don't remember
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: their names. Stansbury, Okay. Is there any other person associated
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: with the ranch that either worked for mister Epstein or
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: that you believe have knowledge about the ranch, its operation,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: what happened there that you think the Truth Commission should
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: speak to? Kellen? I would think Bryce and Karen would
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: be the most knowledgeable Stansbury, Okay. And I did mention
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: earlier our Truth Commission would love to speak with you
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: if you're willing to at some point, and so I
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: just want to extend that invite to you. So I
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: know that you were asked earlier about your travel to
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the ranch. Do you know about how many times you
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: were there? Kellen? Typically I went once a year in
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: August with Jeffrey, and I have been a few other
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: maybe two other times by myself and a few friends.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: That he offered it to like a birthday present for
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: me to go Stansbury. And when you guys would go
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: in August, about how long would you stay Kellen? I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: want to say about a week Stansbury. About a week, Kellen,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: maybe two weeks. He didn't stay in one place for
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: very long Stansbury. And how did mister Epstein use the ranch? Kellen?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: He would go on walks exercise Stansbery. Was it like
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a retreat for him? Was it a replace of business?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Did he bring people there? Kellen? He would have guests,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: he would have meetings. There was some sort of science
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I think there was, or may have been in Santa Fe.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: There was a scientist Murray gentleman that was based out
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: of there that would come and see him. Stansbury Maurice gentleman.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Kellen Murray gentleman Stansbury Murray. I forget the name of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: what he worked with, but it was some sort of
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: science thing that was in the area. He was friendly
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: with the governor, Governor Richardson Stansbery. Yeah, did you ever
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: see mister Richardson there, Kellen? I know I met him,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if he was specifically on the ranch.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here and
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: in the next episode dealing with the topic, We're gonna
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: finish this bad boy off. All the information that goes
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: with this episode can be found in the description box.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: he left off. What the sai Kellen transcript from her
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: meeting with Congress Miss Stansbury. Well, we'll definitely look at
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: flight logs as well, so that's helpful to know. And
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I know because we have somewhat limited time that we're
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: able to ask questions. I do want to give you
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: another opportunity. I did hear you say with the last hour,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and then I'll turn it back to our attorneys that
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you wanted to make sure people understood the level of
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: manipulation that affected you as an assistant and how that
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: contributed to your abuse. Can you just share a little
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: bit more about what that looked like if you feel
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: comfortable and it doesn't cause extra trauma. Kellen Sure. He
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: was very good at targeting vulnerable people. He would get
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: to know you and your situation and then offer to help,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: like with me, he offered to pay off my credit
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: card debt. The first time I met him, he asked
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: me what I wanted to do with my life, and
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I said I wanted to go to fit and study
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: yoga and plates and he was like, well, you can
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: do all those things if you work for me. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: with dangle carrots, I mean, he would make false promises
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: all along the way, like he would say, he would
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: put you in an apartment that I lived in New
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: York in my name if I made it working for
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: five years for him, which he never did, and he
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: kept continuing to promise through the years. Never did. So
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: he would act like your savior, your caretaker. And that's
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: how I viewed in the beginning, like how I referenced, like, oh,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: he's being so generous and not understanding myself that it
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: was a form of control. When I only got paid
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: twenty five thousand a year, like I couldn't afford to
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: live where I wanted to live. I had to live
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: where he told me to live. When he took me
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: close shopping, I was like, Oh, he's so generous, but
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: it wasn't closed that I chose, and I trusted that
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: his caste was superior to mine, that he knew better.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And then if I wore something that he didn't approve of,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: he would look at me dismissively and be like, where
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: did you get that? It's disgusting? Throw it away. So
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: he was just very good at decimating your ability to
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: make your own decisions and have your own autonomy, and
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: it made you more and more dependent on him. He
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: would tell people that he paid for a two of
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: my friends. They were also as assistance college education, but
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: it was contingent upon them taking classes that he told
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: them to take, and when they like wavered from that,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: he stopped paying for their schooling. So it was just
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: like you had to abide by every rule. Stansbury. This
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: is very helpful. Thank you, and I'll turn it back.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing. Mister Krishna Morti. How much time
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: do we have on the clock redacted? Ten minutes, krishnal Morthy,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: We have ten minutes left redacted? Yes, krishnal Morthy, okay, great, okay. Hi.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I'm Raja krishnal Morthy from Illinois eighth District, and thank
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: you for coming in some very specific questions. And I
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: was here for the first part of your questioning this morning,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: but I missed some of the middle of it, so
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I apologize if this was asked. Have you met Donald Trump? Kellen?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I did once at mar A Lago for maybe five
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  Speaker 1: minutes in my first or second year of employment, probably
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one or two thousand and two. Krystnal Morti, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and what was the nature of that interaction? The five
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  Speaker 1: minutes Kellen. Jeffrey used to go to the gym at
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  Speaker 1: mar A Lago and I went with him one time
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  Speaker 1: and mister Trump was there and he introduced me to him.
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  Speaker 1: Krishner Morty. And what year was that, Kellen? Probably two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and one or two thousand and two, Krishna Morty okay.
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  Speaker 1: And did you see her witness anything untoward in your
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  Speaker 1: interaction with Donald Trump? Kellen? No, it was just kind
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  Speaker 1: of like one of like the main rooms at mar
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  Speaker 1: A Lago. He was kind of like introducing me and
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  Speaker 1: that was it. It wasn't like a very long interaction. Krishna Morthy.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the only interaction you've had those five
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  Speaker 1: minutes in two thousand and one or two thousand and
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  Speaker 1: two at mar A Lago Kellen, Yes, for me personally, yes,
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  Speaker 1: krishnal Morthy okay. And how about Milania Trump Kellen, I've
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  Speaker 1: never met her, Krishna Morthy. How about other members of
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  Speaker 1: the Trump family Kellen. I met his son or sons
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  Speaker 1: through my ex husband. He was friendly with them. Krishna Morty.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Kellen. My ex husband was friendly with Don
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  Speaker 1: Junior and Eric, so I met them not through Jeffrey,
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  Speaker 1: but through my ex husband, christ No Morty, the ex
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  Speaker 1: husband who gets cut off by Kellen, my second ex husband,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Vickers. Christ No Morty okay. And what was the
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  Speaker 1: interaction with them at the time, Miss Kellen. I remember
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  Speaker 1: having lunch with them in New York, christ No Morty.
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  Speaker 1: What year was this, Kellen? It would have probably we
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  Speaker 1: were married in twenty thirteen, so it would have been
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  Speaker 1: some time after twenty thirteen. Christ No Morty okay. And
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  Speaker 1: it was a social occasion that you met them for lunch, Kellen,
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  Speaker 1: Just for lunch, yeah, christ No Morty okay? Got it?
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  Speaker 1: Any other members of the Trump family Kellen, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think so. Krista Morty Okay? Is there? I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to name some agencies, you know, like three letter agencies.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard the word FSB with your time
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  Speaker 1: with Epstein when you were employed with them. I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: Kellen doesn't sound familiar. Krishna Morty Massad Kellen, not that
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  Speaker 1: I can think of in relation to Epstein, christ No Morty,
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  Speaker 1: Cia Kellen No christ No Morty m I five Kellen
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  Speaker 1: No krishnal Morthy, did you ever come across an interaction
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  Speaker 1: or are you aware of any interaction between Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: and any foreign intelligence agency, Kellen. I remember there being
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the exact situation, but his bodyguard, Igor Zinoviev.
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  Speaker 1: I remember there being something about taking a class or
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  Speaker 1: something with the CIA, or getting a certification or something,
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know exactly what it was or how
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  Speaker 1: it came to be. Kristnal Morthy okay. And we've heard
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  Speaker 1: about this Iegor character, Kellen. Uh huh, krishnal Morthy. Igor.
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  Speaker 1: He was supposedly a guard forum at the jail or
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  Speaker 1: whatever they call it during work release, Kellen. He was
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  Speaker 1: his personal trainer, and when Jeffrey went to jail, he
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  Speaker 1: was sort of his driver and bodyguard. After that, Krystal
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  Speaker 1: Morty okay, Igor, did you ever have any interaction with Igor? Kellen? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: krist No Marthy okay. And did Igor have any Are
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  Speaker 1: you aware of Igor having any interaction with foreign intelligence agencies? Kellen?
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  Speaker 1: Other than I don't know, I don't know how I
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  Speaker 1: knew or heard that you have taken some sort of
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  Speaker 1: like course or something with the CIA. Krishner Morty okay.
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  Speaker 1: But not a foreign gets cut off by Kellen. Foreign
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  Speaker 1: no krystnal Morty Okay. Finally, I want to just turn
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  Speaker 1: to financial transactions. I understand that there was a wire
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  Speaker 1: transfer that they talked about, or some kind of financial
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  Speaker 1: transaction that you folks discussed. We're aware of one point
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  Speaker 1: well one point five billion and wire transfers that were
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  Speaker 1: picked up in what are called suspicious activity reports that
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  Speaker 1: are kept by the Treasury Department and banks have to
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  Speaker 1: disclose them. What's the largest wire transfer that you were
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  Speaker 1: aware of Epstein was involved with, Kellen. I wasn't aware
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  Speaker 1: of any other large transfers except the ones he sent
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  Speaker 1: to me. Kristner Morty okay. And those are the only
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  Speaker 1: ones you're aware of, Kellen, Yes, Krystal Morty Okay. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, Wexner, have you met Wexner? Kellen, yes, kristnal
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  Speaker 1: Morthy you did, Okay. Wexner made a very large wire transfer,
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  Speaker 1: made very large transactions with mister Epstein, supposedly to pay
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  Speaker 1: him for financial advice. What is your opinion on that
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  Speaker 1: and what's your knowledge of that, Kellen. I don't have
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of their business dealings or how much he was
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  Speaker 1: paid or any of that. Chris Morthy Okay, Glenn Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: is now seeking By the way, before this interview, you
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  Speaker 1: did not have any interaction with the Trump administration. Correct
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  Speaker 1: or any members of the Trump administration, Kellen know Ham.
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  Speaker 1: You mean him preparing for the interview. Kristna Morthy? Correct, Kellen, No,
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  Speaker 1: Christna Morty. Has anybody reached out to you? Kellen, No,
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  Speaker 1: Krishna Morthy And no other actors or entities reached out
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  Speaker 1: to you either, right, Kellen. No. Krishnal Morthy Okay, good.
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  Speaker 1: Glenn Maxwell is seeking clemency right now, you're aware of that, right,
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  Speaker 1: Kelln Yes, christ Morthy, she's seeking a pardon. I presume
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  Speaker 1: that you would agree that she does not deserve any
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  Speaker 1: form of clemency. Kellen, I would agree, Krishna Morthy. And
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  Speaker 1: why is that, Kellen, she abused me? I believe that she.
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  Speaker 1: I always had this sort of belief that she's the
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  Speaker 1: one that turn Jeffrey into a monster, that he became.
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  Speaker 1: Krista Morthy, how many people do you think that Glaine
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell specifically participated in abusing You don't have to name names.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying numbers. Kellen asked a question again, Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: krishnal Morthy, I'm asking you how many people ballpark. Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe that Glene Maxwell personally participated in abusing I'm
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  Speaker 1: not asking you to name names. I'm just saying ballpark.
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  Speaker 1: Are we talking hundreds? Kellen, I don't know. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: witness anything but my own abuse with her. Kristnal Morthy,
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  Speaker 1: you never witnessed Glen Maxwell participating in any abuse of
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  Speaker 1: any other person. Kellen No, Kris No Morthy. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's all for me, Thank you. Ham May I
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  Speaker 1: just make sure the record is clear because you asked
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  Speaker 1: about it. If it's all right, you asked about her
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  Speaker 1: meetings with foreign intelligence officials. You did travel and meet
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  Speaker 1: with foreign government officials with mister Epstein right in Israel
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  Speaker 1: and Russia and places like that, but you just don't
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  Speaker 1: You don't have knowledge either way if there were intelligence
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  Speaker 1: officials in the meetings, is that right? Kellen correct? Kristnal
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  Speaker 1: Morty Sorry, two questions. Ministry of State Security, have you
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  Speaker 1: heard of that, Mss Kellen No, Kristna Morty have you met?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know if Jeffrey Epstein ever had any contact
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  Speaker 1: with Jijen Ping Kellen No, Krystal Morthy, Vladimir Putin Kellen No,
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  Speaker 1: he interview. Had contact with someone that used to date
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  Speaker 1: Naomi Campbell, that was Russian flag Vlad Something. They came
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  Speaker 1: to lunch in Palm Beach. Krystal Morty Okay, but not
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  Speaker 1: putin Kellen No, not that I'm aware of. Ham When
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  Speaker 1: you were in Moscow, you don't remember meeting with anyone
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  Speaker 1: Kellen No from the Russian government. Kellen Well, we did
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  Speaker 1: have a dinner in Moscow with I think he was
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  Speaker 1: the head of the Chechen rebels, probably two thousand and three.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, Krystal Morty with one of the
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  Speaker 1: heads of the Chechen rebels. Kelln Yeah, Krystal Morty Okay.
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  Speaker 1: In Moscow, Kellen in Moscow, Krystal Morty Okay, Kellen. It
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  Speaker 1: was a dinner with a bunch of people. She gets
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  Speaker 1: cut off by christal Morthy rebels or the people that
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  Speaker 1: were sent to suppress the rebels. Do you know, Kellen Well,
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  Speaker 1: I was very ignorant about all of those sorts of
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  Speaker 1: things at the time. Kristnal Morthy. I understand, Okay, Kellen.
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  Speaker 1: I recognized kind of his name and picture from the press.
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  Speaker 1: Krystal Morty Okay, Kellen, and he had like arm guards
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  Speaker 1: around him. At dinner in Moscow, Krishna Morthy. And you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have any contact from with anyone from North Korea
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  Speaker 1: Kellen no, Kristnal Morthey or Iran Kellen no, Krishna Morthy. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: thank you redacted. You said just a few minutes ago
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  Speaker 1: that you think that miss Maxwell made mister Epstein the
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  Speaker 1: monster that he was. Can you say more about that, Kellen,
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  Speaker 1: She would like her whole life was just pleasing him
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  Speaker 1: and giving him whatever he wanted and making sure everybody
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  Speaker 1: did exactly what he said to do, and made him entitled.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he was wealthy, and she was looking to
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  Speaker 1: maintain her lifestyle that she was accustomed to that you
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  Speaker 1: grew up with, and that she had all the connections.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like she kind of taught him and
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  Speaker 1: shape Jeffrey into who he became, showed him how to
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  Speaker 1: use his money, Like he didn't have private planes before her,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't have the townhouse before her. Like she kind
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  Speaker 1: of showed him how he could live his life. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that it created the sense of entitlement that
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  Speaker 1: he could do whatever you wanted. Question got it? Thank you, redacted.
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  Speaker 1: Very last question and it's a short one. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to run a name past you, Achmad Kadirov. Is that,
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  Speaker 1: by any chance the Chechen leader who you met in Moscow? Kellen, No,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound familiar. Redacted. Okay, miss Ham, can we go
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  Speaker 1: off the record? They go off, and then they get
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  Speaker 1: back on Ham. So I think the question was do
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  Speaker 1: you remember this person, Kellen, not the particular name. There
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  Speaker 1: was another another name. It was like Umar or something
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  Speaker 1: along those lines. Yeah, redacted, and we are done, Miss Kellen,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and we are off the record.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks. That's going to do it for the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: whole entire Sarah Kellen transcript. Next up, we're gonna dive
• 1:01:53
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