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The Real Reason Trump Hates the NFL (Repost) · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts Adam Todd
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  Speaker 1: I'm Adam Todd Brown, I'm your host. Connor mcspadden, once
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I saw them out front of my house the other day.
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  Speaker 1: It was the thirteenth time too. Yeah. Yeah, they keep
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  Speaker 1: showing up. But I have guests today so it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: But I will do this motherfucker by myself if I
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  Speaker 1: have to. No, I wouldn't. That would be weird. I
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  Speaker 1: did a solo podcast this week. It was fun, but
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like this would I would just be telling
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  Speaker 2: It's tough when you're done with your punchline. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: keep going.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I would just say.
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  Speaker 1: Eh, I did. I literally did that. At one point,
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  Speaker 1: I made a joke and went a good reference, right,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope people at home responded, Hey, that's Laura Crawford.
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  Speaker 4: The same I have the same reaction to a bad
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  Speaker 4: joke and threats of my own death.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, oh that's right. Yeah. I threatened to kill
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  Speaker 1: Laura if she stole my lighter before we before we
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  Speaker 1: started recording. And that's Adam Ganzer. Howdy. How's it going? Man?
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  Speaker 1: Going great? Thanks for doing the podcast, your third conspiracy podcast, right? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: I did the Jordan ones. Yeah, yeah, because we did
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  Speaker 1: two episodes of the Jordan thing and then this and
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  Speaker 1: this is Laura's I think third conspiracy episode.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't we did.
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  Speaker 1: We did mirage men, We did one with Connor.
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  Speaker 3: Oh we'd yeah about the media and the CIA.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's a fun episode.
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  Speaker 3: That is a fun episode. This episode and.
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  Speaker 1: Now the episode oh that's right. Yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 1: creepy episode. And this is kind of a holdover from
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  Speaker 1: when we did Sports Month on Conspiracy the show. That's
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  Speaker 1: when me and the gans talked about the Michael Jordan conspiracies,
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  Speaker 1: which is a fascinating thing to look into. But I
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  Speaker 1: never got to this episode, which is the real reason
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  Speaker 1: why Donald Trump hates the NFL. And this is one
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  Speaker 1: we do episodes like this sometimes where it's not really
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  Speaker 1: even a conspiracy, like we just all sort of know.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just not like you said before we recorded this,
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  Speaker 1: it's just not as common of knowledge as you would.
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  Speaker 2: Ex and not publicly admitted yet. Right one day it'll
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  Speaker 2: be publicly admitted and then it won't be a conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, it's just all the facts point to this.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you could also say the conspiracy could be is
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  Speaker 4: there a conspiracy by the NFL higher ups to keep
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump out of the NFL? Did they conspire to
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  Speaker 4: keep him out? And it's right, they probably did work
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  Speaker 4: in secrets in some ways to keep him out. And
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  Speaker 4: did Donald Trump work with people within his administration to
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  Speaker 4: defame the NFL? Will they conspire to take down the NFL?
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  Speaker 4: He worked with other people who that was their conscious agenda.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to it. But the part about the.
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  Speaker 4: NFL twiracies, you might not think it seems like any
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  Speaker 4: but there's two.
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  Speaker 1: But the part about the NFL conspiring against him, I
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  Speaker 1: think you can shut down right away because it's less
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  Speaker 1: that they conspired against him. It's just that they did
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  Speaker 1: their due diligence, Yeah, and did a good job screening
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  Speaker 1: a person who wanted to enter their organization. The country
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  Speaker 1: could take some lessons, sure from that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would argue, apparently they had access to his
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  Speaker 2: text retur.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, not a bit.
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  Speaker 2: They legitimately knew his finances better than we, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so that's upsetting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna talk about, uh, what it all
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  Speaker 1: really goes back to. I think the genesis of it
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  Speaker 1: all is the USFL, which is anyone old enough to
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  Speaker 1: remember the USFL, No fucking way. I had a set
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  Speaker 1: of USFL trading cards that I kept for about seven
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  Speaker 1: years and then sold for a nice chunk of money.
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  Speaker 1: Really because the USFL. They they were this upstart football
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  Speaker 1: league that wanted to be an alternative to the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: And for the first couple of seasons they played in
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  Speaker 1: the spring, which is cool because you could basically have
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  Speaker 1: football all year round, and they were getting big name
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  Speaker 1: talent from that you would expect to go to the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: They were drafting big name talent right like herschel Walker
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  Speaker 1: started in the USFL. Steve Young. I couldn't believe that, ye.
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  Speaker 4: Ye, there's a very good thirty for thirty about the
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  Speaker 4: USSL that I did see, and it seemed like they
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  Speaker 4: marketed really the right way. They did an excellent job
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  Speaker 4: early on marketing in it, marketing it, and their approach
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  Speaker 4: was not was not to put down the NFL at all.
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember them as opposed to when the XFL
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  Speaker 4: came out. They were kind of like, you have a
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  Speaker 4: problem with X, Y and Z about the NFL. This
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  Speaker 4: is the alternative to that, whereas the USFL was more like,
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  Speaker 4: wo gonna be nice if they were football in the spring.
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  Speaker 1: Would be cool to watch football all yearn oh year cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's not better football or a rebuttal to football. It's
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  Speaker 2: just more of it, right, more.
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  Speaker 3: Of the football that you like. And this is at
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  Speaker 3: the standard that you expect.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy to me that as as late as the
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  Speaker 2: eighties they're still doing these leagues. I mean, like, I know,
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  Speaker 2: we're still doing it now, but like not in a
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  Speaker 2: serious way, like this is a serious endeavor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they really fucking went.
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  Speaker 2: It's because in the seventies all these alternate leagues fucking worked.
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  Speaker 1: They all worked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, So like in the eighties, we keep
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  Speaker 2: doing it and it worked for basketball, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's kind of where the problem begins is
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  Speaker 1: Trump joins the league. He initially refused to join the league,
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  Speaker 1: but within like a year he ends up entering this
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  Speaker 1: franchise called the New Jersey Generals. So the the USFL,
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  Speaker 1: what happens is, well, we should talk about one article
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  Speaker 1: I read that was really interesting. It's called the NFL
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  Speaker 1: Stiff Arm Trump. Now he's hackling from the White House,
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  Speaker 1: and this article just kind of goes into detail about
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  Speaker 1: how a lot of NFL owners to this day still
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  Speaker 1: love Trump, but they're also just kind of talking about
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they a lot of NFL owners publicly say they
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  Speaker 2: love Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let's call it what it is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Also, a fair bit of time in this article is
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  Speaker 2: spent to Jerry Jones' drinking habit, which, yeah, they.
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  Speaker 1: Drank a plastic cup full of liquor twice. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 1: the guy he asked fucked, He asked the writer if
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  Speaker 1: he wanted a shot, and he came back with a
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  Speaker 1: souvenir cup full of I.
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  Speaker 3: Got like nauseated just reading that hurt.
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  Speaker 1: That's like the least thinking about it drink to me. No, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would. I would thump of scotch. Yeah, I would
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  Speaker 1: request ice and a glass and a soda. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't care how good the scotch is.
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  Speaker 3: They have a ginger ale, please.
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  Speaker 2: I love a neat Scotch, but not in the quantity
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  Speaker 2: of beer. Cup full of it twice.
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  Speaker 1: That's well.
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  Speaker 4: The thing that this, it's just the game with this
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  Speaker 4: right now, is why they would be pro Trump. And
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  Speaker 4: in a sense because the main point of people who
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  Speaker 4: are owners of teams is to build new stadiums.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, usually, and that involves a lot of government.
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  Speaker 1: Interaction and yeah, you know, and also.
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  Speaker 4: See politicians if they probably figure, oh, we ride this
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  Speaker 4: Trump wave, we get a bunch of new guys into office,
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  Speaker 4: and then I can strong arm them into paying for
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  Speaker 4: my fucking stadium.
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  Speaker 3: It's great.
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  Speaker 1: And also they're the number one and two most valuable
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  Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. So if anyone has something to
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  Speaker 1: gain from tax loopholes and all the things that come
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  Speaker 1: with being friends of the president, it's the fucking Patriots
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  Speaker 1: and the Cowboys. Ye, that's true. Do you know which
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  Speaker 1: one most valuable? Huh?
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  Speaker 3: Cowboys?
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  Speaker 1: Very good? Yeah, Hey, they ask an interesting question at
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  Speaker 1: the end of this, would Trump be president if he'd
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  Speaker 1: succeeded in becoming an NFL owner. I do like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. That's it's the wheels are spinning in my
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  Speaker 1: head now. I like the idea that his entire campaign
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  Speaker 1: was him going, I'm gonna fucking get big enough to
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  Speaker 1: pull down the NFL. You will let me in. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like if there's one theory of Trump.
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  Speaker 2: That we all have to sort of say this has
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  Speaker 2: to be true, it's that nothing will ever make him happy,
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  Speaker 2: Like every resource and dollar you pour into him is
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  Speaker 2: into a black darkness where he will not return.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think an NFL team, like giving him the
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  Speaker 2: Bills doesn't mean suddenly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still got the Bills. It's the Bills. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that actually wouldn't be bad for football if
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  Speaker 1: he owned the Bills. Can I say that? I mean yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the Bills need some personality and checked it
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  Speaker 1: into their shit. They do all have. The fans are
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  Speaker 1: like all eaten ass in the parking lot. What the
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  Speaker 1: fans are doing? They have a wild fan base, yes
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  Speaker 1: they do.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on with that is this based on an
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  Speaker 3: article or here's saying.
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  Speaker 1: Rie it's based.
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  Speaker 2: The entire site dead Spin is basically dedicated to things
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  Speaker 2: Bill's fans are doing before and after games.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you need to go check that out.
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  Speaker 4: Well again, honestly, with the way the America is going
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  Speaker 4: with the healthcare crisis, I think instead of drinking beer
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  Speaker 4: and eating brought worst before a game, people should be
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  Speaker 4: eating ass and smoking pot, be dropping some ecstasy or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But to this question, I think Donald Trump would not
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  Speaker 4: be priced if he succeeded in becoming an NFL owner,
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  Speaker 4: because well, it depends when, right, right, If he had
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  Speaker 4: gotten in twenty fourteen, I think no, he would.
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  Speaker 1: Not have lunched. I think he would have No, there
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  Speaker 1: had been.
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  Speaker 4: No time before twenty sixteen if he had become an
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  Speaker 4: owner in the Colts, right he wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: Be Yeah, he tried, apparently tried to buy the Colts Baltimore,
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  Speaker 1: the Baltimore the early Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the Baltimore Cults.
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  Speaker 1: Probably right around the time he decided to join the USFL.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Had he been successful in getting the Colts, I think
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  Speaker 4: he would have still tried to be present.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yes, And no answer that question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had. He tried three times. Well, he tried
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  Speaker 1: twice to join the NFL, and the one time he
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  Speaker 1: was like, just offered it and said no. He could
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  Speaker 1: have bought the Patriots in nineteen eighty eight, Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to bring on their debts, so he was
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  Speaker 1: like no because he.
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  Speaker 3: Hates debts, because he hates debts so much.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and now the second most profitable team in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. So there's that business acumen he's known for.
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  Speaker 1: Another article we talked about Sean Gregory writing for Time,
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  Speaker 1: the NFL fought Donald Trump's bullying thirty years ago and
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  Speaker 1: one should do it again. And there's also a really
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  Speaker 1: good documentary that Laura mentioned called uh, small Potatoes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, small potatoes, And it's it's interesting because recently I
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  Speaker 4: was like, you know what, I like small potatoes and
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  Speaker 4: I am sick of their association with minus skill problems.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, a small potato, A tiny, little roasted potatoes.
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  Speaker 4: Part Yeah, you just little olive oil, a little salt
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  Speaker 4: and pepper, roll them around, throw them in the oven
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  Speaker 4: on a sheet of aluminum for absolutely brilliantside dish.
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  Speaker 1: That's a treat. Put him in a skillet for a
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  Speaker 1: little bit after Brown.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you got an Aoli to dunk that shit in.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Maron, But instead we associated with Trump fucking
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  Speaker 1: up the USFL. That's a cosmic injustice right there.
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  Speaker 3: That small potatoes.
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  Speaker 1: That's what that documentary is about, and that's what this
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  Speaker 1: article is about. And it's what the book Football for
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  Speaker 1: a Buck, which covers the brief life of the USFL,
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  Speaker 1: is about. And in this article they're interviewing Jeff Pearlman,
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  Speaker 1: who wrote that book.
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  Speaker 2: I like that guy, Yeah, that guy, I let it fly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was a fan. He was just basically like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Trump is a is a dirt bag huckster. Ert he
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  Speaker 2: thinks he's a dirt bag huckster. That's not me making
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  Speaker 2: up a funny phrase. That's what he said. Yeah, love it.
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  Speaker 1: And sure, what his coverage of the USFL makes clear
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  Speaker 1: is everyone in the USFL pretty much fucking hated Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Right too, hated to be in meetings with him, right
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  Speaker 4: where they describe him as never shutting up.
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  Speaker 3: Right, They're like, you could not get him to shut up.
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  Speaker 4: And when he did shut up and finally someone else
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  Speaker 4: was talking, it was very apparent he was not listening
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  Speaker 4: to a word they were saying.
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  Speaker 1: Right, does that sound familiar to anyone? M exactly the
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  Speaker 1: claims in the book that just came out about Trump,
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  Speaker 1: like what it's like working in the Trump White House.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds a lot like working in the Trump USFL House.
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  Speaker 1: What I love about this article or if you want
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  Speaker 1: to go out and read the book, they both open
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  Speaker 1: with this letter from the owner of the USFL's Tampa
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  Speaker 1: Bay franchise, where he literally at one point says, you're
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  Speaker 1: a lot younger than me.
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  Speaker 3: Which taller.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're younger, younger, so I will have no problem
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  Speaker 1: punching you in the mouth. Oh, I love that. It's
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  Speaker 1: so great. Like he's addressing how Trump kind of requires
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  Speaker 1: that everyone sort of saying his praises when he's around
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  Speaker 1: and give him credit for being the best. And he's like, now,
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  Speaker 1: I'll fucking fuck you up if you keep talking that way. God,
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  Speaker 1: a billionaire fight. I would pay for that. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way. These two were billionaires at the time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he was saying that, He's like, if you continue
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  Speaker 4: to talk about other owners in the press.
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  Speaker 3: I think was specifically his issue was that.
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  Speaker 4: You are bad mouthing other owners in the press and
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  Speaker 4: making us all look foolish by your and he's like,
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  Speaker 4: if I hear that you're talking about these people again,
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  Speaker 4: I will punch you in the mountain.
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  Speaker 1: One of the interesting things that came up in there's
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  Speaker 1: also an article on Newsweek where the hell did I
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  Speaker 1: put it?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Trump's NFL fight dates back to his failed USFL experiment
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  Speaker 1: in the eighties by Tim Marson. It's kind of the
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  Speaker 1: same article, but it's a more straightforward interview with the
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  Speaker 1: guy who wrote this book, and he talks in that
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  Speaker 1: article about this situation where Trump drafts Doug Flutey to
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  Speaker 1: play for the New Jersey General, which admittedly was a
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  Speaker 1: fucking coup at the time. I'm sure I'm old enough
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  Speaker 1: to remember that and be like, holy shit, Doug Flutey.
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  Speaker 1: And then a few years later the Bears had Doug
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  Speaker 1: flute and I was like, oh, fucking Doug. Oh, he's
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  Speaker 1: right in the past, but.
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  Speaker 3: Five four Doug flute Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But he signed Doug Flutey and then immediately reached out
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  Speaker 1: to all the other owners and was like, Hey, how
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  Speaker 1: cool is it that I signed Doug Flutey. I think
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  Speaker 1: all of you should pay his contracts because it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be so good for the league that I signed Doug.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like exactly what he's doing with the fucking
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  Speaker 1: border wall now, where he's like, hey, I'm gonna build
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  Speaker 1: this wall, but Mexico pay for.
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  Speaker 4: It, or he wants he wants the not the UN members,
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  Speaker 4: the NAFTA members, NATO, NATO sorry, NATO members to pay
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  Speaker 4: their share, but.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to pay taxes, at least in this
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  Speaker 1: At least in this version, there's some logic to why
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  Speaker 1: he would want them to pay, because it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I just bost I just bolstered the revenues of this league.
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  Speaker 4: League works for any sports league.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, but wasn't it implied that they kind of did
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  Speaker 2: acquiesce to this.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't it implied? No, not that not the paying Doug Flutie.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably what cause the Tampa Bay owner
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  Speaker 1: to fire that letter off. If anything, There's one more
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  Speaker 1: really fun tidbit from this time article where apparently at
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  Speaker 1: one point Trump like, I feel like him entering the
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  Speaker 1: USFL was because he got rejected by the NFL when
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  Speaker 1: he tried to buy the Colts. Sure, And at one
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  Speaker 1: point he goes on record and says that Pete Roselle
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  Speaker 1: expressed that he wished Trump had bought the Colts, and
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  Speaker 1: then like fucking in court, Pete rosell testifies as to
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  Speaker 1: him saying, mister Trump, as long as I or my
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  Speaker 1: heirs are involved in the NFL, you will never be
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  Speaker 1: a franchise owner in the league.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty that's pretty pretty definitive rejection. Yeah, on public record.
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  Speaker 4: That just reminds me of how like a stalker will be. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: she she's in love with me. She's been sending messages
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  Speaker 4: to me that Olivia Naton John is in my brain
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  Speaker 4: and she wants to get married right, And she's like,
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  Speaker 4: I am frightened of you. I've told you to leave
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  Speaker 4: my property multiple times, my security guards, I've arrested you.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, she's playing hard it guys, because
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: she's alone with me.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: That's not It almost feels like a psychotic stalking relationship.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: So then he joins the USFL as the owner of
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: the New Jersey Generals and immediately, like he claims it's
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: not his intent, but like immediately starts pushing for a
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: merger with the NFL.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: It's basically he's shooting President Reagan to get Chody Foster's He's.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Like, watch me kill this whole league just.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: To get you to love me. Yeah, that is exactly
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: what he's doing. And he like really goes out of
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: his way to set this up as a confrontation with
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the NFL to the point where he asks he gets
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: the entire league to agree to start playing in the fall,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: like at the same time as the NFL, Which why.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, man, I feel like Donald
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Trump is proof that there's a certain level of shamelessness
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: or like bald faced like hypocrisy that people don't know
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: what to do about. Yeah, like these rich, powerful men
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: who decided as a lark to start a football league,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: let him do this.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: They're just like they're like all right, in the USFL
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: operates or did it operated initially in such a sweet
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: spot for sports, because like baseball's just starting, so you
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: don't give a shit about that yet the NFL's over.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: There's like besides March madness, there's really unless you like
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: fucking watch hockey like a weirdo. I don't know when
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: that nightmare of a sport starts. It's concurrent with the NBA. Okay, good,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: but it like there's not that much going on. They
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: had it made. There's a really good quote in this
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: article from Houston Gambler's owner Jerry Argovitz. Donald didn't love
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the USFL. We had a great league and a great idea,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: but then everyone let Donald Trump take over. It was
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: our death. You hear that, America, It was our death.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: That awkward silence is going to get edited out. Oh
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the software I used, but yeah, everyone should just know
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: it existed. And yeah, what he's referring to is not
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: just Trump's idea to move to the fall, But then
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: they filed this insane antitrust lawsuit against then because they're
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: arguing that the NFL doesn't provide room for competition. And
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the I think everyone in the world's argument was you
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: could just play in the spring like you have been
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and that would take care of it, right, And Trump's like, nope,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: it's playing them fall.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: And there's no real case that they could say that
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: the NFL prevented them from appearing on any networks or
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: advertising in any way. We're making people aware of their product.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: So in terms of a monopoly, if you're going to
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: monopolize that, you have to say that they control the
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: means of production and they control the means of marketing,
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: and they control, you know, basically all of that, and
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: they don't.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: No, no, they don't at all.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: They don't.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: And they took this like, your scouts can go see players. Yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: they're not preventing you from doing that. So you can
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: get players, you can get teams and coaches.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what's funny is they won the lawsuit, but
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: they were awarded a dollar in damages, so it was
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: almost worse than losing.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Definitely worse. Yeah, that's a humiliating number of dollars to win.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, his thought was, well, we're gonna
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: go up against them and then we'll just draw from
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: their audience so they'll be like, oh shit, we need
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to merge. And that did not happen. Motherfucker's quit fucking
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: with the USFL when it moved to the fall. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: it's like, you did it to yourself in this case.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting. The NFL's strategy was to
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: just make Trump look kind of like an arrogant douchebag
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: because what he wanted what the USFL's case was trying.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: What they were trying to say was that hey, the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: NFL is bullying us and they're not letting us participate in.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: The NFL's defense of that was, no, this is just
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a douchebag leading a bunch of naive business owners down
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the wrong path.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Right if there aren't ratings attached or a television camera
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: attached to judging what Trump is doing, Yeah, that's always
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: how he's going to get right, Like his behavior is
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: that so Like they were just like, if we just
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: treat him like what he is, and nobody but the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: judicial officers have to judge it, right, guess what he loses,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: you know, like.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they it came up a lot that he
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: was just trying to force a merger with the two leagues,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and he was like, no, I'm not in emails. Yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the documents, they produced so many documents where he talks
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: about a merger strategy. So he's literally caught lying in court.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: This is a quote from Patricia Patricia Sabili or Sabilia,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: a juror in the eighty six trial. He did not
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: do the USFL. Well, what's funny in hindsight is that
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: his so called business genius ruined it for them. He
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: was not believable in anything he said. He came off
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: as arrogant, and unlikable sounds about right. Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're lucky that they got it put before
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: a jury in this case, because you know, juries are
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: all about weaving a narrative, and the narrative of the
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: NFL has a monopoly on this. That's that's a vague,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: kind of far reaching narrative, doesn't really have key players.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: You would have to identify this villainous character that's constructing this,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: the side players and everything. And they didn't really get
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: that done with the NFL, whereas on the other side
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: of it, constructing the narrative of this is a buffoonish, cowardly,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: untrustworthy businessman who's leading these menistry.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: That's a much more believable narrative. Yeah, and easy to follow.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they really had it going well for He made
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: it quite easy for them.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet they won the suit. Yeah, that's what's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: so strange.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: The one dollar seems very fitting, right, the winning the suit.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I can't get my mind around.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the I think it's the argument that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you did, like you could just have kept playing in
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the spring. But I'm sorry, and forgive me if I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: don't understand. Why would you award them a win that
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I don't recall from the documentary they didn't talk about it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that so like something about their case was accurate
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: but not enough to give them damages.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Probably that the NFL exerted so much influence over TV
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and advertisers at that time. If I just had to guess,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I'd say there was probably some exclusivity contracts that the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: NFL signed where they were like, if you work with us,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you can't work with anyone else, which is a thing
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that I think happens a lot, but in this case,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I could see the USFL being like, well, that means
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: that we can't advertise and shit during the fall. And
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I think the jury was probably like, yeah, you're right,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: but also, what about you just playing in the spring
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: like you were in the first place. And I think
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: probably the merger thing where Trump's like, no, I'm not
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: trying to push a merger and then it comes out
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: in court that you're just trying to make a merger happen.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: That's not going to make the jury feel for you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: It probably made everyone feel like Trump was just thinking
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: he was smarter than everyone in the room and was
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: going to make a merger inevitable by moving to the fall.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Well, It's just interesting because like you when you use
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: on the surface, you hear this story, you think, like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: so these owners are like not that smart, I mean,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: because like we really easily poke holes and why they
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: did this lawsuit and yet they did win the lawsuit, right, So,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: like you want, like the thing that I want to
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: say about it that fits into our narrative is that, like,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: like the Trump factor is not just that they went
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: all this way doing a thing they didn't really want
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: to do, because all they wanted to do was have a.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Fucking football league that was successful.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: It's that like he used their own principles against them
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to get to a point where he destroyed the very
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: thing they were trying to do and then further destroyed
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: their ability to like get restitution for it, right you
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like they even had a case
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and he still fucked that up too.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: The issue with him, and he did have an undue
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: influence on the league guys compared to other honors, because
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: they made the point that a New York league was
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: so essential to their operations as a whole league. So
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: he already had undue influence or a larger share of
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: influence than he necessarily warranted, and he's the kind of
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: person that can bring in weaker people within his orbit,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: so he already has an outsized position of power. He
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: brings in a couple other teams to agree with him,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: and then it just becomes what do you want to do?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Have internal fighting the whole time or let him do
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: what he wants? Yeah, do you want to have just
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: a stancil and so you get no business?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Or what have these teams refused to play?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: What do you do? You know?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, kind of have to capitulate to it at some point.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Again, it's mob bus shit. Yeah, And that probably came
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: up in the lawsuit also because I wonder how many owners.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a system where a certain amount
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: of like like, I'm sure they voted, and there had
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to be a certain percentage of owners that decided to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: go short. So I'm sure there were holdouts too who
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: are just watching this case like, fuck, we're going to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: be done. Yeah, this is going to be a catastrophe. Yeah,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and it was. And this is one last quote from
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Jeff Perlman, the guy who wrote the book about the USFL.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: He's talking about Trump. If I needed to tell you
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that he bullied other owners. He was a bully, but
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: somehow people went along with it. They just did. They
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: thought he knew what he was talking about, or they
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: didn't want to argue, or they didn't want to get
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in his way. He was in meetings USF meetings. He
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: was a nightmare to deal with. He would not shut up,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: but when other people spoke, he never listened to them.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: He was just like he was the worst. You you're
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the exhaustion of the Yeah, he fucking runs out of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: steam talking about how terrible Trump is. I think it's
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Connor who has told this story a couple times on
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this podcast. And I don't know what the source of
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it is. But apparently when you're elected president, the you
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: have to watch a video about the horrors of nuclear
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: war and what it causes and like the destruction it causes.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And apparently, like Bush cried, like all these presidents like
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: had really heavy reactions, and Trump was apparently on his
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: phone through most of it. Like if that's I like,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the source of that is, but
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: if that's true, we're so fucked. Like that's a bad
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Like that's like killing animals as a kid.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: That's just it's just not within his purview as something
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: that's real, right, Well, I mean just the images just
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: don't speak to him in the same way because he's
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: seen them before or he I think sometimes people resist
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: things that they feel are emotional traps.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: I think that's sometimes when people feel like they're being
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: trapped to give an expected emotional reaction, they go very
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: much the opposite way. I want to give no reaction
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: because it's a sense of control. It's like, don't put
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: me in this place where I have to experience an
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: emotion for you.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not your pet, I'm not your child, you know.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: So for him, I think he probably shuts down in
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: those moments and he's like, you will get nothing from me.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah. So let's talk about his next attempt
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to enter into the NFL. And I love this fucking
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: article title. They just saw him as this scumbag huckster
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Trump Kaepernick and how the NFL reignited the culture wars
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: on Vanity Fair by Mark Leibovich. Is that the same guy?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Because the first from New York Times right there pointing
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: at a screen going ham on Trump in the NFL.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Good for you, Mark Leibovich. She's like, I.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Could get another r Yeah.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So in twenty fourteen, Trump tried to buy the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, which, like we mentioned earlier, his third attempt
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: or third chance at owning an NFL franchise, which super ironic.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Want to buy the Bills. As much as he talks
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: about people choking.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: It makes them think about money.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bills, Yeah, probably that. It's just I will until
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: they win one. It will never make me think of
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: anything but missed field goals and lost super Bowls four
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: in a row, four consecutive. Getting there four times is incredible.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: They're one of the greatest teams of all time, No, absolutely,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and they just never won such a It was so hard.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I wish I had a friend who was a Bills
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: fan and like the hope died after two and like
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: it's worse that they kept going to the Super Bowl.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to that. I think when your
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: your fan base as a collective starts feeling like, all right,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: how's this gonna go wrong? Look, I know the secret
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: isn't real, but I think the secret's kind of real sometimes,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: like they're they're in that thing.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Like so, like if you're a Cleveland Browns fan right now,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: right and they start winning some games. You can enjoy that,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: right if you're a Cleveland Browns fan and they keep
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: going like eleven and five and keep winning, but never
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: get the like get the cup or whatever. Right, Like,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that's fucked. That's the worst experience there is as a
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: fan because you can't. You have to keep getting your
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: hopes up. They demanded of you. Yeah, that's the bills
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: they demanded of you.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are you familiar at That's a great thirty for thirty.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Also about it's about the Buffalo Bills team that went
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl four straight years and lost all
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: four years and like every time they should have won
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: any of them.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: But I don't particularly remember that one.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: It's really I like the theory that in one of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the games there was a helicopter above the stadium, and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the theory is that because that helicopter was hovering, it
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: knocked the potentially game winning field goal off. Oh my god,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I love so much. So Trump wanted to buy those
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: fucking losers in twenty fourteen. Shout out to chet Wild
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: he's from yeah and it he was rejected once again.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing we mentioned this earlier. Oh was
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: it a conspiracy? To keep him out of the league. Nope,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: they just saw his finances, Like because when you're entering
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: into the NFL, it's not like that's apparently more responsibility
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: than becoming president. But it's a conspiracy in the sense
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that all job interviews are conspiracies. Well, yeah, yeah, he
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: didn't get in because yeah, it takes agreement and cooperation
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: among people, but that doesn't always mean it's a criminal conspiracy.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: They have to evaluate your merits, right, and they said
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he didn't have.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Them or yeah, his stability I think, yeah, it probably
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: wasn't an issue necessarily of having enough assets at that time,
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: as much as being a stable source of assets, yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: or a stable presence in the media.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and by that time he had fi like yeah,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you're right, filed bankruptcy multiple times by then, Like he
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: couldn't This was happening at a time when he couldn't
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: get money in the United States. That's been covered so
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: many times, like by twenty fourteen his money coming from Russia,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So the NFL was probably like no, yeah, And.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: As far as sources of funds come from owners of
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: large teams like this, it is typically industry, and you know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: it's like the Gillette, you know, owns the team. People
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: who were in oil, people who were in manufacturing. Those
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: are usually the business, not usually real estate. Yeah, you
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: don't really hear a lot of real estate tycoons. They
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: tend to be involved in things like art, the arts.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I mean the finance a movie or destroying the arts.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: They used to be in, like the like the Jerry
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Buss was a real estate tycoon and he owned the Lakers.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I mean that used to be a thing in the eighties,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: but it's not a thing now because you can't make
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: enough money in it now.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: So this apparently caused a rift between Trump and Robert
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Craft because he thought Craft should have done more to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: help him get into the NFL. And I was just
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: curious if maybe Craft thought Trump should have done more
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: to help him get his Super Bowl ring back from
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin because Trump that story. Yeah, let's watch it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: There's a quick news report about it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And when a KGB agent steals your ring, what do
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: you yes?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Video, there's video.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: You can see a Russian president, Vladimir Putin holding the
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl ring that belonged to Robert Kraft.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Robert Kraft reaches and just gets denied for a minute there,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it looked like there had been a weird mix up.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: The Patriots owner said he gave the ring as a
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: token of his quote respect and admiration for Putin was
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: the CBS News Moscow buro cheek.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: We heard some rumor that Putin took somebody's ring at
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: an event, but it somebody.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: There was no big deal somebody at the time, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: she took up and he cunts.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I loved it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: It's that football garbage.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: A bit idiot they throw like a sphere around. Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: they initially they did make Robert Kraft say that he
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: gave it to him because we didn't want to like
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: upset Russia and Putin.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: This is what Robert Kraft gets, Yeah, for respecting Putin.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Thugs guess what they jack your shit?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, also, what the fuck does Putin
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: want that ring for? You know what I mean, like
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: just to pay that guy. It's apparently on display at Grate,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: like in a library in the Kremlin right now.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like something stolen from the Crusades. Yeah,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: he just has a display there for all history. Yeah,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: it's all Just make another one, Robert Kraft, you fucking baby,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Just make one.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Well, he probably can't put out all his Stalin memorabilia.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, no kidding. Yeah, they they finally made up
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: when Trump was running for president. Yeah, and Robert Kraft
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: approached Milania I think, and was Donald No, he approached Avankak.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: It's so funny to get those two mixed up.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: After it was announced that the bills had been sold
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to someone else, yep, Trump tweeted, Wow, NFL ratings are down,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: big league. Glad I didn't get the bills. Come on,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: so even in twenty fourteen, I mean, pretty much since
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Twitter has existed, this has been Trump's m O. He
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: apparently also during the I forget like the people that
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: bought the bills are awful too. I'm sure they're like
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: big business time.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet on the character equality of any NFL
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: owner person.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but apparently while they.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Were doing anyone who owns billions of dollars, Yeah, I
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: don't think I can speak to Yeah, the character of
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: anyone who is a billionaire.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Apparently, during their press conference announcing the purchase of the bills,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Trump just live tweeted through the whole thing and was
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: shit talking him. So that's that's on brand.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm god, it just makes you so sad that,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: like we've known it for so long.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And my favorite they talk about this,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I think counts as the final NFL snub for Trump.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: This is also from that Vanity Fair article and this
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: writer is first of all, he talks about how much
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Trump loves Tom Brady. And there's a quote from a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated article. If one thing stands out about Tom
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I'm Brady, it's that he loves those women and guess what,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: they love him too. And this is he also speaking
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to Howard Stern. He said I think he and Ivanka
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: would make a great combination. Yeah, exactly. And what's really
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: fun about this article. The writer shares a story about
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: how he was interviewing Trump at his golf course in
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Rancho Paulos Verdes, which is very close to here, and
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the Trump keeps badgering him to call Tom Brady, and
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: he's like, Tom will say great things about me. You
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: got to get Tom Brady on the phone. And the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: guy finally is like, fine, I'll call Tom Brady. And
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: he asked Tom Brady for a quote about Trump, and
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady says, I really have no interest in political talk.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Right now. I have learned way too much about politics
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the last seven months. Let's talk about this upcoming XFL reboot,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: which is the most garbage Trump pandering, fucking nonsense I've
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: ever seen. I hope it made me sad when I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: hope thinking of this gave Vince McMahon cte if anyone
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: wants to read about it. The Make Football Great Again
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: League is a bad idea by Roger Sherman writing for
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: The Ringer. Don't support this bullshit because here, like the XFL,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I hated the original incarnation of it where they were like,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: we have no rules, and yeah, I mean that was cute.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Coontics made it out of the league into the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah he had a good run somehow, but it was
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: just they were like, no rules, that's going to make
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: this league cool and authentic. No, it's going to mean
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: your receivers can't catch passes because you let defensive backs
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: punch them in the stomach as they're running downfield.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: And then they like, how did they start the game.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: They started to start the game with like dodgeball. Like dodgeball.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they set the ball at the fifty yards and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the teams had to fucking run.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: It was still the bacon. Yeah, like a childhood exercise.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Oh see, this is what makes me sad about it
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: is like d aout er right right, it's thinking about
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: like where are the American audience for football where they
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: think it is, right, So like in the nineties, they're like,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you more violent dream, more sex
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: is going to go like way further past like any
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: of the rules of football. Right, that's the that's the appeal.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Now it's like, we're going to make these football players
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: obey us. Yes, that's the that's the fucking gimmick of
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: that creepy That sucks.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: It's selling a different male fantasy because the male fantasy
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: of that era was to be unbound by restrictions of
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: your sexuality or your violence, and the male fantasy of
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: this era is to control the bodies of black men
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: that are far greater than you from the safety of
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: your comfort of your own home, where you don't have
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: to reflect on yourself as a fan. You can just
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: see obedience and fantasy and acting of following the rules.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: But it's also yes, that's true, but also like they're
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: intentionally removing the cheerleaders. Yes, like that's this strange magmatic Yeah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: they're they're going for really conservative types, which I think
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: has a very I think this is Trump thinking all right, now,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I got it. Now I know how to go up
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: against the NFL. We have to just politicize it and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: go after the really conservative types who watch football. Now,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like if we can interject some anger about kneeling during
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the national anthem and then offer them this alternative, which
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: that's the creepiest thing about it. The XFL originally was
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: no rules, and now it's got some very specific rules
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: which we haven't mentioned yet, but one of them no criminality,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: which that's such a racist, dog whistle fucking thing to
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: put in your NFL rules.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: And whereas Vince McMahon has also been investigated for crime, right,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: which is a great irony, and if.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: You've watched it, he's committed crimes on the air. Yes,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, all players required to stand for the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: national anthem? Sure, of course, of course, that's like the
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: one thing I knew would be in it. Yeah, which
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: the WWE plenty of wrestlers have been arrested for crimes
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and are still in the league, and there's no national anthem.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I don't believe they do well.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: They do always in times of a national tragedy, they
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: for everything. They will say, we want to have given
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: a moment of silence and hand over the hard They
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: do many events for the troops, and they perform overseas
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: and right maybe's and they.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Do play the national anthem.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: They have had after nine to eleven they had dead
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Jillian Garcia's put.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Then the national anthem.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: And that's not like after nine to eleven, of course,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: but they've done him.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: They've done the national anthem bit more than you would expect.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: But Trumps but it's not as regular.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Trump's criticism of espnist that they're not airing the national
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: anthem before each contest, which is certainly something he doesn't
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: require of the WWE.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: No, there's no way Vince McMahon believes this is the
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: best product. I mean, like that's what we're getting to, right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Vince mcman has has his whole life stood for the
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: opposite of this, like the Attitude era and all wrestling
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: that led up before it until they went corporate, Like
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: he believes in the opposite of this. So like this
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: league is clearly pandering to a real bummer thing, right,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: that's having a mic moment, right, Yeah, Well, Vince.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: McMahon was never really that radical in terms of what
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: he wanted to do with wrestling, about not having rules
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. He kind of was forced into
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: making a more extreme product by their demand for people
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: had seen Japanese wrestling and seen ecw and they wanted
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: more extreme action.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: So he was never really like.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: A guy who wanted people to you know, extreme or
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: like any kind of cage matches. That wasn't really his thing.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he sold it a bunch, No, he did, but
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: that was never like what he thought of as good wrestling.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Miss been one of the guys who looked like bodybuilders
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: to press slam each.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Other, right, you know, right, wanted he wanted.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: He didn't want blood. He didn't want blood or guts
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: or that's just stuff that he just.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Just a guy. You want to sacrifice some bodies for money, yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and will give you anything you asked for.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: And to me, the no cheerleader thing in the New
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: League seems very much a reaction to that kind of
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: red pill stuff because it's like, you know, in the nineties,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: we had like, oh, we want free sexuality, we want
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: hot lesbian action, want girls who are you know, exhibitionists?
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: And then I feel like there was almost too much
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: of that, and now it's like guys reacting that. It's
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: like she's a slut, she's a whore, and they're kind
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: of sick of being bombarded with women's sexuality and they
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: just seem to judge it more where they're just like, oh,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: she's a shameless model slut and she won't fuck me.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: And they're like, yeah, they're like, let's just remove all
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: of that for the equation because it's too sticky and uncomfortable.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: But also because they I mean, it might just be
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: practical where because like you can't go a year without
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: five treating scandals in the NFL.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Where they're like, are you upset at those dirty, filthy
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: super Bowl halftime shows? And yeah, beyond say it's probably
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: sick of Jane jac and Beyonce and all.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: These black flots. Yeah, I think it's a mix ruining
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: your football.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's a mix of all of those things.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: It's just this strange.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Rising theocracy that I don't think if they really understood,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: if they really made the thing they wanted, whether they'd
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: be happy with it now.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: That's the thing is I feel like we're all we're
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: pitching to an America nobody really wants. Yeah, who wants
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: this authoritarian, fun, free, fucking.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Twenty five percent of the country. I don't think they
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: really do. I mean, I know they're voting for it,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't think that's what I guess we'll see.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I don't think they want it new out of whole
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: cloth like this. I think they they want the product
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: they already watched to shift. They don't want a new
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: product that is all of these things.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, I don't know.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of different theories about this, but
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: like one of the things is to me, this just
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: seems like an like old man ideas.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like this just seems like like old men who
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: used to understand things are just now old and the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: cultures passed him by. Like, but I don't think force
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: it back. I don't think it's entirely that. I think
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: someone somewhere gets that this is going to resonate with
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: a certain Sure, yeah, it's a demographic in the United States.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like a watch like a consumer group, and it's
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: they're like, what are your top five things that you
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: would like to change it at the NFL and they
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: just amalgamated a bunch of you know, questionnaires.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: But like, there's no way that this was like we're
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: going to get New York and Los Angeles and Chicago,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: and like we're gonna get both coast to.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Buy in on this league. This way, there's no way.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: But that's still a thing that will resonate with Trump supporters,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: where they'll be like, we don't give a fuck. Make
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the biggest team in Columbus. We don't give a shit.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Like so it's it's it's going to be an exclusively
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: uh like right wing Trump supporter league.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, they'll get a California team for sure. It'll
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: just watch It'll just be northern California. Yeah, I guess
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, yeah, friends. Now, I just don't state
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: in New York they'll have a Buffalo franchise probably sure.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I just don't know what quality athletes are going to
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: really want to do this.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I know they will, I know they bodies, but
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: they won't have if I didn't include it in the notes.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: But their budget is only like one hundred million for
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the first season, and that's like about ninety million less
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: than most teams in the NFL individually have to spend
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: on players each year.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: But there's but again, if you watch Hard Knocks or yeah,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: there are of those guys who can't make a team
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: who will take yeah, yeah, one hundred and fifty grand
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: a year to play football.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's gonna take the same thing as the USFL,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: where they're actually getting big name players out of college,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: which I can't see happening, especially because one of the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: things that causes big name players in college to drop
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: low enough to where they might be affordable is off
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the field problems. Right, So what are they gonna sign
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: a bunch of goddamn Aaron hernandez is and then straighten
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: them out? Yeah, in the Trump League, this.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Guy's a great player. He's spin a Koma for four year.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This doesn't seem like it's gonna work to me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I just can't see how. Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think I'm wrong. Maybe I don't see
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the world for what it is. I just don't see
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: how it's gonna work.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting to see how this
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: plays out. That's why I'm not I don't want to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: be so quick to be like boycott the NFL. It's like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: right now, that kind of feels like like you're more
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: sticking it to the players who have been protesting in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the NFL. It's not a simple answer, yeah, because I
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: was thinking.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: That when the owners were signing that agreement, that like
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: we're gonna make them so that they all have to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: stand for the anthem. Yeah, if I can watch football,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: are going to do that. But they've kind of taken
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: both sides of that argument. And also, yeah, the players
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: are the ones to lose the money and I and
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: they deserve to make that money.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, like they're incredible what they do.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's tough. Oh man, oh boy.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Football shouldn't be this complicated. No, it's impossible to watch
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: without commentators already. Now we got to get all this
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: political commentary involved too. We haven't had the president involved
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: in football this much since Teddy Roosevelt, yeah, or since Obama.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Like I think Obama was always in fantasy leagues and
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: ship and he'd show up at halftime.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: But like Teddy Roosevelt made them change the rules. Oh yeah,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: didn't because they were they were dying in the field
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: right when they were playing like that was like a.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Good running on the greatest generation when you could close
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: line a motherfucker, I don't think.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Line.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah there are like there's bring back close lines, bring
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: back letting NBA players dunk their free throws.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I often think, what would happen they used to do that?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to check. That used to be a
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: thing you could on the line that you have to
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: jump from the line. But if you were like like
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Wilt Chamberlain, that's just like a little jump in a reach, right,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and you could just dunk your ship. Should absolutely let
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: him do that. Yeah, let's start our own league. Yeah, honestly,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: would it be worth.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: X F and you have to do exactly.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: It's in the books. We did it all right? Well,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: this was a fun episode. Yeah, I guess we'll see
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: how it shakes out. I still I'm in love with
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: this theory that Trump's entire presidency is NFL motivated. I'm
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: gonna fucking run with it. I just think that, like,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: has anybody ever treated him legitimately other than TV Russia? Right,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And that's why we are where we are now Russia
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and NBC. Yeah, thanks guys, So what do we have
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to plug before we get out of here. This is
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: a Patreon only episode, which, man is the public missing
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: out because this was fun.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: This is really fun so much. You have to Patreon
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: subscribe to get this.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: It's it's fun. Five dollars a month you get all
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: our shit. Nice. But I'll send it to you if
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you want to hear it. I wouldn't be that way.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: No, maybe maybe I'll listen to it again. I did
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: listen to some of my other ones over again.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so much fun. Great, it's interesting to see
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: what I said. And also we're doing a PUI podcast
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: at the end of the month live at the Hollywood Hotel.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Oh nice, which is that's where we come out, do comedy,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: sober and get fucked up and come back and record
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a podcast. So if you want to come to that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: It's the last Saturday of the month at the Hollywood Hotel.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I believe it's October twenty seventh, but if you look
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: in the twenty seventh isn't a Saturday, then it's not
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: the twenty seventh, it's whatever the last Saturday of the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: month is. I don't write these things down. There's a
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: good idea it is a twenty seventh, twenty seventh. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: there it is, Thanks Laura. What do you have to plug?
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: What do I have to plug?
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a black Hat comics since Saturday, doing
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: a cosplay shows.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: That's gonna be fun.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Hawk girl and I don't know, we get some more.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: When is this coming out?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: You're just gonna put this UPISCE going up tomorrow?
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Tomorrow? Okay? And then on Wednesday Day, I'm gonna bet
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: the show Bear City in Long Beach. That'll be fun.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Nice Long Beach. Yeah, LBC, so much drama, but now
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be comedy. It's a little hard.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Take.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Steroids kill me? Steroids?
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Do you take steroids?
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Kill me?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Adam ganz Er, what do you have to play?
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: You can catch me on the Small Beans podcast network,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: hosting the One Upsmanship podcast about video games, or on
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Twitter at the Real Gans.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Nice. Let's get out of Hereford Comic.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I forgot to always say it like.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I'm Adam Todd Brown. Hey, let's get out of here.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Adam say goodbye, Laura, say goodbye, good night, goodbye everybody.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: We love you,