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A New Era Begins For The Flyers! (PST Episode 616) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest
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  Speaker 1: running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, twelve
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  Speaker 1: years strong. We got a great show for you this week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Warren. I'm here on my buddy Len Hunsicker.
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  Speaker 1: Hey you doing Len, I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 2: I play Everybody's having a good week out there.
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  Speaker 1: as I mentioned, twelve years strong, and we love talking
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  Speaker 1: about these Phillies sports teams. And we've got a ton
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  Speaker 1: to get into this week. We're certainly going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the fact that the Philadelphia seventy six ers now
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  Speaker 1: have the number three overall pick in the NFL Draft.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get into Pete Rose and how he
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  Speaker 1: has officially been reinstated in Major League Baseball now can
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  Speaker 1: possibly be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame even
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  Speaker 1: though he's no longer with us. We'll dive into that.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Brandon marsh on this Phillies
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  Speaker 1: team as well. Since returning to the Phillies after his
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  Speaker 1: rehab assignment, he's really been killing it. And from there,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna get into some Phillydelphia union talk. And then
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  Speaker 1: finally the Philadelphia Flyers they have made a new hire
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  Speaker 1: as their head coach. We're going to dive into it
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  Speaker 1: and certainly get into a lot of Flyers talk with
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  Speaker 1: our guests this week before we're thrown down on the table,
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  Speaker 1: We've got Kelly Hinkle from Broadstreet Hockey dot Com. So
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  Speaker 1: that's that's the agenda, folks, that we're gonna be getting into.
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  Speaker 1: Len If you noticed I didn't mention the Eagle schedule.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mention it at all, buddy, because guess what, still,
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  Speaker 1: we don't cover it because it's ridiculous, no offense to
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  Speaker 1: anybody else out there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like months away before the season even
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  Speaker 2: begins to start, so it's just like I don't know, like, yeah, hell,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. It's fun to you know,
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  Speaker 2: just kind of look ahead, you know. Maybe to me,
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  Speaker 2: the big thing is if and this is something that
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  Speaker 2: I've done in the past and maybe some of you have.
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  Speaker 2: If you're planning a trip to an away game, yes,
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  Speaker 2: getting to see Okay, what are the weekends we're looking at?
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  Speaker 2: What are the most appealing destinations? Yes, most appealing games
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  Speaker 2: we might go to. That's that's where it gets really
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  Speaker 2: fun for me. Other than that, you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I can't really because.
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  Speaker 1: You've done fans of Philly before, right, and there's no
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  Speaker 1: promo here with them or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no promo here. But you know they you
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  Speaker 2: know they do they do top notch work. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: gonna you know, just because they don't sponsor us asn't
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  Speaker 2: mean I can't you know, acknowledge when they're when they
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  Speaker 2: do something well and they do a good job.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, So we're not folks. We don't get into the
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  Speaker 1: Eagle schedule. We haven't for years and years and years.
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  Speaker 1: Like Len said, it's just so early to be talking
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  Speaker 1: about it. It's kind of just like it'd be filler
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  Speaker 1: quite frankly for us. That's not what we want to do,
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  Speaker 1: and it's there's a lot going on this week. We
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  Speaker 1: do have a good amount of stuff to talk about. Absolutely, well,
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  Speaker 1: let's dive into it, because I cannot believe what happened.
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  Speaker 1: You Eric myself were in our homes and we are
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  Speaker 1: watching the NBA Draft lottery Len and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: we're like, oh my gosh, this is going to happen
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  Speaker 1: for the seventy six ers. They got a top four pick,
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  Speaker 1: and at first we didn't think they had at it.
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  Speaker 1: There was there was all this confusion, and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden they're in the top four, and then
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden they get the number three overall pick.
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  Speaker 1: And the implications of this what it means for the
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  Speaker 1: future of this team and this franchise here. Look, they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to get Cooper Flag, They're likely not going
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  Speaker 1: to be drafting Dylan Harper out of Rutgers. Ace Bailey
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  Speaker 1: really seems like the guy who probably should be drafted
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  Speaker 1: Darryl Moore in my opinion, that that's what I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: at this point. But we're certainly going to get into
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  Speaker 1: it here. But I don't know what were your overall thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: because I was like crap in my pants. I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot believe Adam Silver let this
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  Speaker 1: happen for the seventy six ers. Can't believe you let
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  Speaker 1: it happen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's actually kind of funny because you know, you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned being at home for it. I was not at home.
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  Speaker 2: I was on riving Yeah. No, I was driving back
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  Speaker 2: home from South Carolina. Oh, and I was listening to
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  Speaker 2: the to the you know, the lottery show on Sirius,
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  Speaker 2: you know, while I was on the road, and I
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  Speaker 2: happened to look down on my phone and I saw
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  Speaker 2: a couple of texts and it was you guys, and
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  Speaker 2: it was like, and there must have been some confusion,
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  Speaker 2: because I think there was a texture either you or
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  Speaker 2: Eric you knowing you know, Silver screwed us again, or
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  Speaker 2: just saying to that effect where I think there was
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  Speaker 2: initially maybe a thought that they didn't get one of
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  Speaker 2: the top picks, and I guess it conveyed Oklahoma City.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, then shortly after, you know, we found
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  Speaker 2: out that it was you know them and Charlotte and
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio and ultimately Dallas that made the top four.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean interesting, I mean, obviously I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: to get to keep the pick. But and we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about what you think they should do and what we
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  Speaker 2: how we think things are going to fall. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: be up front right now and say I would not
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  Speaker 2: be surprised at all if they trade this pick, oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, and try to get a you know another,
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  Speaker 2: cause Daryl Morey doesn't care about the future. He cares
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  Speaker 2: about right now. He cares about winning right now. He
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  Speaker 2: cares about keeping his job right now. And that's all
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  Speaker 2: any GM ever cares about is keeping their job, and
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  Speaker 2: how you do that is by winning. So they're not
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  Speaker 2: He's not worried about what Ace Bailey or VJ. Edgecomb
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  Speaker 2: is going to be three to four years down the road.
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  Speaker 2: I can promise you that right now. So that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that they're going to trade the pick right but
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  Speaker 2: I definitely like if you, if you ask me, gun
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  Speaker 2: to your head, what do you think they're going to do?
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  Speaker 2: I think that they try to trade the pick?
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  Speaker 1: Wow cely do I Maybe I'm maybe I'm thinking too
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  Speaker 1: logically about this right now, because like on paper, I
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  Speaker 1: think the Sixers need exactly what Ace Bailey offers this
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  Speaker 1: team right now forward, who can develop into an elite
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  Speaker 1: shot making threat from the perimeter, which they desperately need.
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  Speaker 1: He has the physical tools to be a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: defensive player in this league as well. And yes, I
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  Speaker 1: do think the front office and Daryl we are going
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  Speaker 1: to go through all the options here. They're going to
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  Speaker 1: look into all the options, including trading the pick like
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about. But to me, it feels like Bailey
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  Speaker 1: is likely the best outcome here in terms of moving
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  Speaker 1: forward with this team. If you have the Ace Bailey,
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  Speaker 1: Joe el Embiid, Tyree Smaxi, Paul George, and Jared McCain,
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  Speaker 1: that's starting fine, sounds pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: You're thinking of it rationally, and you're also thinking of
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  Speaker 2: it from the standpoint of somebody who's going to be
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  Speaker 2: here ten years from now still watching this team. Daryl Morey,
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  Speaker 2: I would be shocked if he is still here ten
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  Speaker 2: years from now. So that's the lens you're looking at
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  Speaker 2: it through. And you know, there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 2: that could happen in addition to the Sixers, you know,
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  Speaker 2: possibly chopping the pick san Antonio. I mean, there's rumblings
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  Speaker 2: that Giannis is open to move out of Milwaukee, and
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  Speaker 2: right now the Spurs are the hot rumor in terms
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  Speaker 2: of giving up the number two pick. Dylan Harper is
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  Speaker 2: a guy that could be considered a franchise player. He
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  Speaker 2: does not fit in with the fit isn't there in
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  Speaker 2: San Antonio because you have Daron Fox and you have
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  Speaker 2: Stefan Castle who won Rookie of the Year. Do you
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  Speaker 2: need another guard for that reason. I even saw a
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  Speaker 2: couple of mock drafts that said maybe the Spurs go
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  Speaker 2: Ace Bailey at two because that's more of a need.
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  Speaker 2: Same thing with the Sixers, who are also a little
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  Speaker 2: bit guard heavy, and then maybe Dylan Harper falls the Sixers.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of things that have to play out.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of, you know, just scenarios that are
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  Speaker 2: going to play out, and a lot of stuff that
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  Speaker 2: you know you're gonna hear. I've heard things about Ace
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  Speaker 2: Bailey in terms of yes, he can shoot, Yes he's
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  Speaker 2: got the link, all that stuff, but a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people are not really on board with his decision making
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  Speaker 2: with the ball. He has turnover prone. So if Sixers
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  Speaker 2: do go in that direction, you're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: wait on him to develop as a player a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because he's got those deficiencies in his game,
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  Speaker 2: and so for that reason, he's a little bit polarizing,
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  Speaker 2: whereas I've heard a name like VJ. Edgecomb if if
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  Speaker 2: if the top two are indeed you know, Flag and
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  Speaker 2: Harper than a guy like VJ. Edgecomb, who doesn't the
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  Speaker 2: fit isn't as good with the Sixers, but he's more
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  Speaker 2: of a you know, well rounded player, a good defensive player,
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  Speaker 2: isn't there, Yeah, but super athletic guard. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: the upside with Bailey might be higher, But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's all about your comfort level with the
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  Speaker 2: risk there, and I think there is some risk with Bailey,
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  Speaker 2: but he would be my pick. He would be the
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  Speaker 2: person I would want in terms of what I think
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  Speaker 2: is going to happen when what I want to happen
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  Speaker 2: are two different things. I would like to see them
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  Speaker 2: take Bailey, but yeah, who knows, who knows?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know yet, And so we're certainly going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it more in the coming weeks before
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  Speaker 1: this NBA draft and again a critical draft for them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've got a critical draft with the Philadelphia Flyers,
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  Speaker 1: which we're going to be talking about out with our
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  Speaker 1: guest Kelly Hinkel in a little bit. So with these
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  Speaker 1: two teams, the Philadelphia seventy six Ers and Flyers, two
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  Speaker 1: imperative drafts that are right around the corner here. So Len,
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  Speaker 1: anything else for the Sixers before we move on, because
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  Speaker 1: we've got a jam back show this week.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's just gonna be interesting following, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: rumors and the workouts and things of that nature and
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: just seeing like, you know, do they you know, do
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  Speaker 2: they really think that you know, he's the guy or
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: or is because I don't. I don't think Giannis is
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  Speaker 2: going to be coming to Philadelphia. I just don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know I was him.
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  Speaker 2: If I was him, I'd rather go to San Antonio
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  Speaker 2: and play with wem Begnyaya. Yeah, uh Wembanyama. But uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, who knows?
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  Speaker 1: Who knows? Yeah? Who who knows? What's gonna happen? From
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: a money standpoint, you just never you never know what
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  Speaker 1: this freaking seventy six ers team well sort of like
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  Speaker 1: going to be following it from here on out here
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  Speaker 1: at the PSD podcast Show. But let's move on to
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: the next topic that we wanted to dive into, and
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  Speaker 1: it is the fact that Pete Rose is now eligible
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  Speaker 1: to be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame after
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  Speaker 1: he was officially reinstated this week along with all the
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  Speaker 1: shoeless Joe Jackson, fifteen other deceased baseball players that were
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  Speaker 1: initially removed from Major League Baseball's permanent list of band players.
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  Speaker 1: And this was according to a memo that came out
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  Speaker 1: from the league's commissioner. So it is possibly going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say likely, but possibly going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Here Len and I got to say, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: many times have we talked about this over the course
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: of many years on this podcast show. You know, and
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  Speaker 1: we have our feelings about whether or not Pete Rose
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  Speaker 1: should be in the Hall of Fame. I think that
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  Speaker 1: from a fan standpoint, we would like to see it
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  Speaker 1: because of his contributions, of course to the game. I
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  Speaker 1: know I've said a number of times on this show
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  Speaker 1: that I think players should be inducted into various sports
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  Speaker 1: and professional sports hall of Fames because their story contributed
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  Speaker 1: to that particular sport. Certainly Pete Rose did. I would
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  Speaker 1: have loved for him to have been a better human
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  Speaker 1: being and for being Baseball's all time hits King to
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  Speaker 1: be enshrined in the Sports Museum in the Baseball Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame, Yes he should be there, but of course
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  Speaker 1: we know that it's tarnished, you know, when you're betting
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  Speaker 1: on your own team, as he did decades and decades ago.
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  Speaker 1: But he's no longer around, and I think that in
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  Speaker 1: itself kind of just lends weight to how Major League
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  Speaker 1: Baseball handles itself at times. You know, I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: guy as of as much of a piece of garbage
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  Speaker 1: as he was in life at times. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: I think he deserved to be in before he died,
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  Speaker 1: and now hopefully it will happen, because I hope it does,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of you know, how we lived as personal life.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what are your thoughts here at this point, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you still have the you know, just because he's
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  Speaker 2: reinstated doesn't automatically mean he's going to get in. And
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  Speaker 2: you still have the quote unquote gate gatekeepers of the
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  Speaker 2: game with the writers and you know, the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the I guess Veterans Committee after that, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's not a slam dunk to get in right away anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, it just I mean I don't. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want him to hang out with my family. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not asking him to hang out with me. Well he
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  Speaker 2: won't be any Well, let's just let's just go with
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  Speaker 2: if he was living. You know, I'm not looking to
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  Speaker 2: build a personal connection there. As a baseball player. Did
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  Speaker 2: he contribute to the story like you said? And and
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  Speaker 2: was he? Was he a good player?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Or great player? I mean, I think that the biggest
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  Speaker 2: argument against him, if you want to look at it
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  Speaker 2: from just a stats standpoint, is you could maybe call
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  Speaker 2: him a compiler, a guy that was around for twenty
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  Speaker 2: four years. He is the all time hit leader. He's
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  Speaker 2: also the all time leader in games played, played, appearances,
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  Speaker 2: and at bats. So if you want to say, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he hung around long enough, but there still
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  Speaker 2: has to be a reason for them to keep you
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  Speaker 2: around long enough, right, right stuff. So to me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're supposed to go up there and get a hit,
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  Speaker 2: and he did it more than anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: That's where that's the argument, And that was he was
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  Speaker 2: a part of one of the greatest dynasties in baseball history,
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  Speaker 2: in the Big Red Machine. I don't know what else
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  Speaker 2: you want right there. I mean, he's in. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I know, you know, if you're looking at it from
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  Speaker 2: an objective baseball standpoint, I don't know how you keep
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  Speaker 2: him out.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, I would have loved if he had
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  Speaker 1: been a better person in his personal life.
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  Speaker 2: I wish everybody was exactly what make this world a
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  Speaker 2: lot better?
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  Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Nobody is perfect, and
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  Speaker 1: yeah he was a he was a real slimeball for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of different things in terms of his life.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, again,
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  Speaker 2: reprehensible human being. Yeah, so was Ty Cobb and Cobs
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  Speaker 2: in there. Yes, I guess, I guess. I wonder it
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  Speaker 2: seems like now the criteria is, okay, you're band, you
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  Speaker 2: have to die and then will reinstate you.
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  Speaker 1: So I wonder that means the questionable thing here with
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  Speaker 1: this crap, you know what I mean, It's like, now
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  Speaker 1: you're dead, now we'll consider it. Yeah, it's it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a I mean to me, it's an fu from baseball,
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  Speaker 1: is what it is. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the steroid guys they're they're not banned, so
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  Speaker 2: I mean they're you know, they're still on the ballot.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess it's a different kind of circumstance and
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna see with Pete Rose, but a right put
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  Speaker 2: him in, put him in, He's.
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  Speaker 1: In absolutely all right. Well, as we're moving along with
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  Speaker 1: the show and the topics that we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: diving into this week here and before we uh take
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: our first break here, wanted to get into some Phillies talk,
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  Speaker 1: but specifically with one center field and that is Brandon Marsh.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and the question we have is has he
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: really turned the corner here since returning to the Phillies
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  Speaker 1: after his rehab assignment and the minors and before Tonight's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely debacle of a game with or against the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 1: And I should say, we're recording this on Wednesday, May fourteenth.
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  Speaker 1: What a horrendous game by this Phillies team. The pitching
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: it was, it was horrendous. Aaron Nola and then the
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: bullpen it was it was.
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  Speaker 2: Easy to me. To me, he was easy. The biggest
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  Speaker 2: question of this year. Yeah, I mean, there's I don't
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: know what's happening, Yes, I really don't.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, But before May fourteenth, here this Wednesday, Brandon Marsh
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  Speaker 1: was slashing four, twelve, four, forty four and five eighty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Those are his slash numbers, So we wanted to give
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  Speaker 1: our thoughts on what Brandon Marsh's strong return really could
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  Speaker 1: mean for the team here. Can he keep this going
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and being this productive? I mean, is he gonna have
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  Speaker 1: slash numbers like this in July? Probably not. But the
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  Speaker 1: fact of the matter is, after his rehab assignment, Len,
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  Speaker 1: he found some consistency. He really did. And granted it's
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: only eighteen played appearances coming into this Wednesday night game,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: but he got off on the wrong foot at the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: beginning of this season and he struggled, struggled, struggled and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: went on the il with that hamstring injury. And again
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: after the rehab assignment at Lehigh Valley, He's now shown
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: us something. From an offensive standpoint, I don't necessarily think
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: he's getting lucky. I think he has found something. He
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: needs to keep that consistency going, because that's what this
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: team needs desperately at this point. From a batting standpoint,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: they need some sort of consistency. And again, it's not
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be batting four twelve, you know, from here on out.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: But that consistency, I think is what is really needed,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and I think random Marsh could actually help provide it
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: to this team. What are you thinking? I I think
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: he's an average where Yeah, I mean, look, obviously he
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: was on the lowest of low's, you know, before he
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: went on the injury list, and you know who knows.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe that contributed to to the batting woes.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: You know, he was hitting zero ninety five when in
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: his last game on April sixteenth, before he went in
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: an ops of three eighty seven, which is nothing. You know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: since then he has raised his numbers up. They're still subterranean.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: He's still hitting below the Mendoza line at one eighty six.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: But you know, he's he's a fourth outfielder on a
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: on a contending team. And look, I know the Phillies
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: are contending team too, but I I I don't really
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: see Brandon Marsh at this point as someone who is
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: an every day outfielder. I don't know. I I just
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I just don't.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And that's so much tup me. I just think, yeah,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't really know how much room there
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: is for growth at this point either, like he he
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: is what he's going to be. I think I don't.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I don't think that there's another level waiting to be
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: unlocked here. So yeah, he's gonna you know, the law
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of averages is gonna it's gonna work its magic and
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: he's going to round himself out. And you know he's
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: not he's currently hitting one to eighty six. Well, he's
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: not going to be down there forever. He'll probably finish
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: a year like two forty or something like that. You know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: he'll hopefully he continues this hot streak for a while.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: That would be great. Any any help that the Phillies
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: can get would be great. But you know, to expect
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: him to carry the load for you know, months at
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a time is asking a lot for a guy of
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: his caliber.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, you make some really good points at the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: beginning of the season when when Rob Thompson said, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: we want him to be the every day center fielder.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: We want him hitting against lefties and given him struggles,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you know, was all for it. I said, absolutely, let
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: him take the bull by the horns and let him
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: get this done. So has the chance, has the opportunities
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a veteran on this team and just completely stumbled out
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: of the gate. And I'm thinking, oh gosh, okay, there
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: goes my take. You know, we hardly ever do any
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: hot takes or anything like this on the show, and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, boy, that really that really stunk. But now
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: with this consistency that we're seeing from him after his
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: rehab assignment, thinking to myself, it's look, it's baseball. This
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: stuff happens. Guys get streaky.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: You're gonna go awful streaks like he was on, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get on hot streaks like he is on. Yeah,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: So that's that's the game. That's how it goes, you know.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And he is a guy that can, you know, play
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of games for you. He can give you
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: that versatility in center or left field, and you can
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: use them where you want to use him. And ideally,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you know, that's.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: What would happen.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I just I don't know. I I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: don't know if I consider him to be an every
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: day major league gutfield.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's just me. They had them in a
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: platoon for how many years, you know what I mean?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: There was a platoon for many years. I guess there's
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a reason why. I guess there's a reason why I'm
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: not out managing there. Huh.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Probably a lot of reasons.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, all right, buddy, Before we go to a break.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: You have anything else with regard to Phillies or Brandon
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Marsh too.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: You know, we did talk about the awful game tonight.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: They was a doubleheader. They did win the first game
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: of the doubleheader two to one, so you know, just
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: want to throw that out there. I mean, you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: they did. I think the Cardinals were on a ten
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: game win streak, which the Phillis busted up there and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: they have started a new one at one by beating
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Phillies tonight. So yeah, you know, well hopefully the Phillies
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: can move on. They showed a stretch of the games
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: coming up and they're playing Pittsburgh, They're playing Colorado, and
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: then they're playing the Athletics. And I'm sorry, but Pittsburgh
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and Colorado those need to be sweeps.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yes they do.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Those those they have to Those are not teams that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: you drop games to. Those are bad, bad, bottom of
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the of the drek, you know, just just bottom of
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the barrel baseball teams. Colorado, especially at least at least
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the Pirates have some interesting players. And I think the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Phillies are going to run into Paul Skeins, which is
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: going to be a challenge. Ye, So you know, I'll
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: give a little bit of grace, but I still think
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: that the Phillies should not be dropping a game to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: either of those teams.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: All right, very we'll see what happened. Yeah, we'll see.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens for sure, And we're gonna certainly
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: be talking about the Phillies in the weeks to come
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and months to come, of course. But before we go
• 22:36
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• 23:10
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• 23:13
  Speaker 1: soon again, are you? I don't know.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I think about it every now and again, and I'm like,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You're enjoying it. You're enjoying life without it.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, it's life is life is better without social media?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Is?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of the uh, not a lot,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: but some of the problems in this country, yes, could
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: be solved of social media, just in a way.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Oh you inches Whistland Dixie. Right, you take a swig there, buddy.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break and we're going to be
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: back in just a bit with some Philadelphia Union talk
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and some Flyers talk. Stick with us, all right, we
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: are back, and why do why don't we get into
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that Philadelphia Union talk that we talked about earlier. They're
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: number three in the Eastern Conference at this point in
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the season. Then they look and appear as though they
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: have the depth and identity to really keep things pushing
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: forward here With this team, I thought was interesting. So
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they had a draw against Columbus and that was an
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: interesting match. I didn't get a chance to watch the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: entire match, but Daniel godzag gasdag sorry, who initially was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: given to Columbus for I think like four million dollars
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: or so interesting watching him out there. Not sure he's
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: really going to be the type of fit that Columbus
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: needs from him with his skill set. But what I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: thought was interesting in the matchup, I don't know if
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you did you watch the matchup at all. Like I said,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I only saw I caught.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: The second half of the game, and that was a
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: tough one because that was a you know, they were
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: up two to one with a couple of minutes left
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: and Columbus scored a goal to draw even, and it
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: just it feels like on their in their home stadium,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the Union led a couple of points slip through their
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: fingers that they should have had that game.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something that I noticed. And when I went over
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to a site that we'd like to go to Philadelphia,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: soccernow dot com. Uh, you know, we have we have
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: some friends over there that that do some great writing.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Our friend Josh Schuster comes on the pod every now
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and again to talk about the the Union as well.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Kai Wagner was very interesting in this game. He had
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: an excellent game defensively, but he wasn't the focal point
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: of the Union's build up. You know, in previous mass matches,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: his his his crosses were the team's main creative outlet.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: But this time the Union found ways to kind of
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: build through the midfield and right side as well. And
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting aspect of this game
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: where they didn't necessarily need to rely on that part
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of kai Wagner's offensive prowess. And even though again it
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: was it was it was a draw, they only got
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: one point out of that particular game. This team is
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: still showing us that they have depth and that they
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: have a certain energy level with within them, I think,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and being number three in the Eastern Conference has not
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: nothing to sneeze about, given last year and what the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: expectations were for this team coming into this season. Len
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I think that, uh, I think we're gonna start. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: would still see some good stuff from the Union from
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: here on out. Except for tonight. I think they the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: last time I know, they they won. They did they win.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: They were down like two, they were they were getting there.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were down to nothing, and they came off
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the canvas and and they actually won that game three
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: to two. Oh my gosh, against you know, against the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: n l A Galaxy team, the defending MLS Cup champions.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that's uh, that's and look it's
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: at home, you know, but that's still that's a good win.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: That's a that's a really good win, especially coming back
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the way that they did.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't think they were going to win that I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was driving, I was driving my kids around to their
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: activities tonight, just checking all my to see what the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: score was. They were down to nothing. I was like, ah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: this is done. Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: No, they came back and won that game. So that's
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great sign right there.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely are Are you liking what you've been seeing
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: thus far? Just in terms of, you know, there's a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: new coach here with this team, it just seems fresh.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: It just seems like we're seeing a fresh Philadelphia Union
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: team here.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: It definitely does. I mean they you know, they they
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: far exceed granted my expectations coming in the season. It
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: would be hard for them to be lower than they were.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: To be dead honest with you, I really did not
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: see this. So that's a credit you know, to to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the team and and the new coaching staff that's come
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: in here that they've done what they've done so far.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I from what I've seen so far, I'm
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: very very impressed. You know. It's still there's those moments
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: like I mentioned with you know, in the Columbus game
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: where you just like, oh man, you you just let
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: a huge opportunity sip through your fingers to pick up,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you know, a couple of points on a team that's
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: right in front of you in the standings. Yeah, you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: maybe you draw even you know things, maybe if it
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: ends up, you know, being tied, you know, coming in
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the seating at the end of the year, maybe there's
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: a goal differential, which the Union currently have a goal
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: differential plus eleven. You know, so you know that that
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: is you know, every every inch that you can get
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you need, especially in those in those games against those
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: teams that are directly above you. So that one was
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: a bummer. That one was kind of I watched it
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and I it just I got it it. It definitely
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: made me mad. But by and large, the way that
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: they performed this season is like I said, way outperformed
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: what I thought was absolutely yeah, absolutely all right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: We just wanted to do some quick Union talk there
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we we certainly have to lend
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and our discussion here before we get to our disco
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: version with Kelly Hinkel in my interview with her about
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: this Flyers offseason where the team is going. Today was
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a huge day, a huge day, folks, for this Flyers
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: team and organization. As Danny Brier and the Flyers front
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: office made the coaching higher. Then a new era is
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: upon us. Rich Tockett, Rick Tockett, Rick Tockett, did I say.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Rich, Yeah, you did? What am I doing?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: It's late?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I I ask myself that question every time I do
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: a show with you. I know, what is he doing?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: God him? I'm tired. It's late. Uh. Rick Tocket their
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: next head coach. I'm trying to do the build up
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: here and I completely drop the ball. I just.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: You're you're, you're that shortstop that's trying to make the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: flashy play yes, instead of just just fundamentally just getting
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: in front of the ball scooping.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: It up everyone. I have no flash. There's no flash.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: There's an attempt at flash, but it usually it's the
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: flash of an airplane going into the ground.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Or it's something like that, you know, car crash. All right, Well, yes,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Rick Tocket, folks, he is the Flyer's next head coach.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: A lot of us thought this could possibly happen. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: was thinking that there were other options, perhaps for the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Flyers to take a lot of talent out there, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I think for where this team is right now, in
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the middle literally the middle of this, everybody says the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: word rebuild, and we've certainly said it on this show too,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: But just the recalibration of who this Flyers team is,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I'm going to use
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a word that the kids are. The kids say it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: mid It's like a mid to type of decision. I'm like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like kind of excited it way, but then I'm
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like I have this like optimistic aspect of
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: this lynn and then I have this other side of
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: me that's like what the majority of Flyers Nation is
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: saying online now, it's just part of the old boys club.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: He was a former player. Of course they're going to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: do this. This is the same thing they always do.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Like I get it, but there's still that part of
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: me that is that has the optimistic aspect like I
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: do every freaking year with this team, even though it's
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: a heartbreaker.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know where are you at right now. I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: want to be optimistic. I truly do, I really do.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But this, to me, I think Rick Hockett was always
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: their first choice. Yeah, I think he was always their first, second,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and third choice all at the same time. Had the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: guy from Denver not re signed David Carl the University
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: of Denver. Had he not, you know, going back to school,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: maybe they would have given him a more serious look.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: But I think Tockett was the guy that they wanted
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: all along. And it is you know, I've saw I've
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: seen so many arguments, you know, on Facebook today where
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I still am. I just lurk. I don't post anything,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: so don't feel the need to look me up, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I do look at accounts and and you know, people
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: were going back and forth. Well, you know the guys
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: they brought in, Vigo and Tortorella and Lobolette. They weren't
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: flyers guys. But it's just tough when you look at
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the at the you know, look at the organization and
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: you see Danny Brier, former flyer, Keith Jones, former flyer,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Rick Tockett now former flyer, Bob Clark senior advisor, former flyer,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: John Leclair, former flyer, Like it's just it's like the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: most Yeah, it's the most incestuous organization. I have friends
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: from a company I worked that you know a while
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: ago that we still joke about it, and I we
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: were talking about it today and I made mentioned about
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: talk it doesn't work out. You still have to get
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: through you know, Sean Antoski and Trent Klatt and other
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Flyers of the past as head coaches before you maybe
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: go in another direction. And I think I even said, like,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: congrats to whoever they pick six overall, because not only
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: do they maybe have an NHL career ahead of them,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but thirty years from now the Flyers will hire them
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: after GM or head coach, so they've got that to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: look forward to. It's just it's just them from the Oregons.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: So when you when you get stuck in a malaise
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: where you haven't made the playoffs in a few years
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and you have that reputation, that's what your fan base
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: is going to do. Sorry, it's it's just what it is.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So you can't really, I think blame people. My bigger problem,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you know with the whole Rick Hocket thing is, yes,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: he did win the Jack Adams Award, I believe two
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: years ago in Vancouver for the good season he had there.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: But if you look in the nine years he's been
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a head coach, which he's only made the playoffs twice.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Right, So.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: What am I exactly supposed to get excited about here?
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's not really a track record of great success here,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: So you know, for that reason, I just don't know, like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm glad that you know, he was a
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: you know, he you know, was a good player for
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the Flyers. You know, he'll you know, have some of
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that hard news attitude that you know really gets some
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: of this fan based horny for whatever reason. Yeah, you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: all the girls that loved him that are like in
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: their late forties and early fifties, Yeah, they'll be thrilled.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So there's that.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: But you know, look, you know, you give the guy
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: a chance. You know, I I do I want them
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: to succeed, Yes, of course I do. I think that
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: they're still a ways away talent wise. I don't think
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Rick Tockett or Scottie Bowman or any great NHL coach
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: you can ever think of, you know, is going to
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: do much with a team that has no first line center, Yeah,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: no number one defenseman. The goaltending is atrocious. There's you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: it's a team that just you know has all of
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the bottom six guys and the bottom two pairing guys
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you could ever want, yep, but very little of the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: guys up front, the stars that you need to make
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: plays in this in this game and they don't have them,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: and until they get them, you know, and I don't
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what they're going to do
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: in this draft here. You know, the hopefully they get
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: a player that's going to help him out, you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: you never know, they have a number of picks to
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: go with here, and you know, ideally this hopefully we
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: come back from going man that twenty twenty five draft.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Look at all the contributors they got for that team. Yes,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: that's what I want more than anything.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: But I don't want them to swing too big, to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: be like this guy has trump tremendous, a tremendous upside,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: tremendous ceiling.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think that the Flyers are
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: more likely to keep the pick than the Sixers. But
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I think the Flyers it's not gonna happen this year,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think, because I don't think enough money freeze up.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: But I think next year, the next offseason, I think
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: money is going to free up, and I think the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: cap is going to go up as well, and I
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: think that the Flyers are going to go more towards
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: you know, bye bye bye, you know, and and just
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: try to bring in talent, which you know is fine
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: as long as you you know, get the right players
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: and chemistry is there sign them to you know, eight
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: year contracts and they get hurt two years into it
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff that seems to happen all the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: time in Philadelphia. Yeah, so we'll see, wait and see.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I want to be optimistic, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I just I feel so mid about this right now,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: but I want I want to be optimistic about.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna be talking about of course you do. Yeah, yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And I'm interested in hearing you know, that interview. Just
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: go want to hear her thoughts on you know, some
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: of the the prospects because at this point, that's what
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at. And you know, we don't watch any
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: of these games. None of us have access to like
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the you know, Canadian Hockey League, the juniors, you know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: not on TV or anything like that. We don't really
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: watch that stuff. So yeah, you know, I can say
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: anything I want about any of these prospects, but I've
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: never seen any of them play, so what do I know. Yeah,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: but you know, there are some guys that interest me.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Guys I've read up on and I have tried to
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: read up on a lot of these guys. But yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I'll be interested to hear what other people think in
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: terms of who they would like to see them take
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: at that six pick.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we're going to get into more NHL draft talk,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: some more Flyers draft talk on the PSD podcast show
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: here in the future for sure. And yeah, the draft's
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: right around the corner. I meant end of end of June.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It'll be in the June, I believe.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like twenty seventh, perhaps somewhere around that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: But anyway, folks, that's gonna do it for us. Right
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: here with Len, we are going to be getting to
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: our interview and discussion with Kelly Hinkle from Broadstreet Hockey
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: dot Com in just a bit, Len, Buddy, you got
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: anything else before I let you go here? No? No,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I am good. All right, sounds good, Well, buddy, We'll
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: be seeing you later. Folks. We are going to take
• 38:23
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• 38:32
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• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Were doing well on the audio side here. The video
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: stuff is interesting. It's like I feel like we're starting
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the show all over again, because like I mean, I mean,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: we're not getting the you're not getting hundreds or thousands
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: of views or anything like that at this point.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It's a cool element we you know, haven't really done.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So you know whatever we're building, folks, we're building, like
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and share this stuff. How about that?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Like the rebuilding Flyers team. We're just twelve years in
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and we're still building.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there, I love it. All right, We're gonna
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: take a break here and when we get back, we
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: got our interview with Kelly Hankele. Stick with us.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: And now on the table.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: All right, and we are back with one of our
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: good friends of the PSD podcast show here. And yes,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: she is wearing a Toronto Maple Leafs shirt right now.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Very proudly. She is wearing that exactly as we are
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: about to talk about this Philadelphia Flyers team, the offseason
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: with the future holds for Danny Breer and company. As
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: some big news came out today as we are recording
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: this here on Wednesday, May fourteenth, we've got from Brushstreet
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Hockey dot Com, Kellyhinkele, how are you great, Jeff?
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: How are you doing? I'm doing that date for the Flyers.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly right, Tacket becoming the head coach. Who could have
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: seen this coming, my friend, Yeah, is.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Once again the Flyer's doing the thing that everyone in
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: the media describes as the Flyers thing to do, yes,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: which I don't in my mind is always like a
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: negative like this isn't a compliment, ram Like when people
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: are saying that's the most Flyers thing to do, I
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: don't think it's necessarily a compliment, but we keep doing
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: it anyway.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's the tradition. It's a tradition, it's culture, it's
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: what we have come to expect from this organization. It's
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: just it never ceases to amaze me. I Mean, we
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: were going to talk about coaching towards the end of
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: our conversation here, but let's just get into it right
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: off the bat again. Talk it gonna be the next
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: head coach of this team and Danny Brier wanting to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: sort of just solidify here with this coaching pick where
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: the direction of this new Flyers era is going to go. Here,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I'm trying, as we've just got the news just a
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: couple hours ago, Kelly, I'm trying to be objective about
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: this one because it's something new two, because I don't
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: want to just like saying about he's a former flyer.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: It's the culture thing within this organization. You look at
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the wins, the losses, all that with his coaching career,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and you say to yourself, Okay, maybe same old, same old.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: But again, I'm trying to be objective with could this
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: really work for this team to start this new era here?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: That is my question that I'm going to be dissecting
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: in my head during the course of this offseason. I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, like, where are you at right now? Lenn
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: and I talked about it a little while ago. Where
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: are you at right now?
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Well, so, like I mean, now that it's happened, I'm
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: going to try to be as optimistic as I possibly
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: can about it, right because, like I'm gonna be honest
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: with you, I the reason that I didn't want them
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: to hire Rick Talckett honestly doesn't have anything to do
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: with the fact that he used to be a flyer
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: and hiring old flyers as a flyers thing like that
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: wasn't a consideration for me.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to pretend that I'm an expert in
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: what it means to be an NHL head coach. However,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: all of us, every single one of us, has his
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: body of work that we can all look at, yes
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: and objectively say is this good or is it bad?
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: And not even is it just is it good or
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: is it bad? Is it the best choice? Is it
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: the best fix for the Flyers where they are right now?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Yes? Yes.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: I said the other day on the phl Y Show
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: that I think that if this Flyers team was ready
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: to turn the corner into we're going to be a contender,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: like right next year, starting next year, we're going to
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: be perennial playoff contenders. Were getting into it. This is
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the year that we put the pedal down. We're going
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: to do it. Okay, maybe then, Maybe then I'm like,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: all right, let's bring in Rick Talk and see what happens.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I just don't think they're not there yet. I don't
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: think anybody is expecting them to be an actually competitive
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Cup team next season. I don't think Danny Brier is
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: expecting them to be that. And so for me, I
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: just would have liked them to bring in someone that,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: in my mind, could have been more of like a
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: development coach rather than like someone that could grow with
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: the team or someone who could continue to shape what
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: is a pretty young team into what they're going to be.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: J Woodcroft Honestly, for me, he was one of my
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: top guys that I was looking at and checked a
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: lot of the boxes I liked.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I liked him. I liked that since he got fired,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: he's been kind of on this like tour to gain
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: as much knowledge as he possibly can. It's why he
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: was at the Flyers training camp last year is because
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: he's been going all over the place to be like,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: what can I learn as a head coach to take
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: into my next job so that I can do better?
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: That is like a huge thing to me. I don't
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: think that you see a lot of NHL head coaches
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: doing this kind of like proactive training of themselves for
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: their next job, So that I thought was kind of cool.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I was kind of hoping for them to go with
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Firschweiler and keep Shaw on as an assistant. And like
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of people have argued with me, like, how
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: can you say that you don't want Rick Tucket when
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: you don't eat Like, Firstwiler's never had an NHL head
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: coaching job, how do you know what he's going to be. Well,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: first of all, I don't he can be a boat.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. What I do know is that
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: he took an incredibly uncompetitive hockey program at Western Michigan.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: That's not a school that you heard about, Like, it's
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: not BC, it's not BU, it's not North Dakota, it's
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: not Denver. Like, it's not a hockey school that you
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: heard of regularly if you you know, casually follow college hockey.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: He turned that into a winning program, and every player
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: that played for him, including Alex Bump, said that they like.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: That to me is like, Okay, this is a guy
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: that a knows how to coach a winning team. I'll
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: be it at a different level, but I don't. I'm
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: assuming that could translate. And also he's a guy that
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: knows how to communicate with players in a way that
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: makes them both respect him but also like him. And
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I the idea that you can't like your head coach
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: is like a weird thing, like a debate that I've
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: been having with Charlie runing back and forth for a while.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: But like you have to like these guys have to
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: like dislike the head coach. I don't know why that's
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: a thing, but like that's what That's what I wanted
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to see. Now here's the thing. Maybe Rick Tucket has
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: learned lessons. Maybe Rick Tucket will be a completely different
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: head coach than he was in Vancouver or Arizona or whatever.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: All I know is that I look at Rick Tucket's
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: body of work and I see, at best, a mediocre
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: NHL head coach. At worst, a guy that I don't know.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: This year Vancouver was a disaster, and I understand that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I understand that it was mostly that these two players, JT.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Miller and Elias Petterson hated each other. I don't know
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: that there's anything Rick Talky could have done to stop
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: these two dudes from hating each other or acting like
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: adults when they went to work, because apparently they couldn't
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: do either of those things. That said, he was the
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: head coach that was presiding over this team that was
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: an abject disaster this season, that did not live up
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: to expectations but had all this locker room drama. Like
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: at worst, he's the guy that oversaw that nonsense right.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: At best, at the very best, he's a guy that
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: took a team that had a goaltender playing out of
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: his mind and that was on an absolute pdo vender.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: He took them to the second round of the playoffs, Like, okay, yeah,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: there's nothing if you take away his name and you
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: just looked at his record, there's nothing about it that
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: like excites you, you know what I mean, as like
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: a head coaching, And it just seemed like the time
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: that Danny Breer could do something exciting and like inspiring exactly.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: And this was an extremely inside the box higher And
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: I understand that in hockey circles he's incredibly respected and
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: he was obviously going to get a head coaching job somewhere.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: So I'm sure that as far as the NHL, you know,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: community at large is concerned, this is a big win
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: for the Philadelphia Flyers. And I'm really hoping that I like,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: he makes me feel stupid in six months, you know
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, I hope that at the end
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: of the day, I'm like, Wow, I was real dumb
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: forever doubting that Rick Hockey could do something with this team.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yep, But I just don't know, I just yeah, he yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, he primarily coaches like a dump and chase style.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I don't want, Like, that's not what I want for
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: this team. It doesn't seem to be how modern NHL
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: teams win cups.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I'm hoping there's a change and some
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: sort of alteration where he has grown over these years. Yeah,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: there might be. That's the hope. That is my hope
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: heading into this upcoming season, that it is going to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: be different, that we are going to be able to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: see enhance development with the talent that's here, which I
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: think there are certainly questions about it, but we could
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: certainly talk about that aspect of what the coaching is
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: going to be at another time too, because I also
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: wanted to dive into with you, Kelly, an article actually
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: that was put up on Broadstreet Hockey dot com by
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: your colleague Thomas Williams. He wrote a piece this week
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: about the offersheet compensation thresholds for the upcoming season here
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and the Flyers have already been named as a team
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that really could utilize an offer sheet this summer, especially
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: for a young top six center, and I wanted to
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts about what the offer sheet threshold really
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: means as a storyline as it pertains to this Flyers
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: team and how they are going to be moving forward
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: during the course of this offseason. I just wanted to
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this, so.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I would say, up until, like up until the New
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: York Islanders won the draft lottery. Yeah, I was very,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: very very pro Danny getting out there and doing some
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: big balls off a sheet to get somebody in here
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: who could be a game breaker. Now I'm not entirely
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: sure I want them giving up that twenty twenty six
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: first under any circumstances. Okay, because even though I don't
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: think like they're obviously not tanking, they never have been.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: I would assume they're going to address the goaltending issue,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: which means that like just baseline, they should be better
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: than they were this season. Right that said, I don't
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: think it's out of the realm of possibility that they
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: end up as like a bottom of the lottery lottery
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: team like That's that wouldn't be a crazy result to me.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Like they could absolutely end up where the Islanders were
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: this season, and given how good Gavin McKenna is projected
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: to be, I just think you got a like just
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: in case you got to hold onto that thing. Yeah,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: because even if you even if you have a one
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: percent chance of winning the lottery, you might just and
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: then your entire franchise has changed. So at this point,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I still would like to see him do something with
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: an offer sheet, but something on the lower end that
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: doesn't involve a first round pick. Like one of the
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: guys we've been kicking around at Broadstreet Hockey is a
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Maverick Bork that plays for the Stars. Yeah, mostly because
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: he's like a lower end player. So like the threshold
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: that you're signing him at would only require you, I think,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: to give up a second and a third, So no
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: big deal there. And Dallas is I think one of
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: those teams that if you target a guy with an
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: offer sheet, they're going to have trouble matching because they're
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: not going to want to overpay. Kind of like a
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: mid tier guy and you're absolutely going to be overpaying
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: him if you if you issue an offer sheet, like
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: that's how it works. So I if they do it,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I kind of want to see them just kind of
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: do what the Blues did and like going for more
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: of those mid tier guys, like maybe you can steal
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: one of them rather than going for a high end talent.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: That said, like, I think the guy that everyone or
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: at least people that I talk to were hoping that
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: they would end up offer sheeting is is like a
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Marco Rossi And I think you can get Marco Rossi
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: in a trade, yeah yeah, And if you can trade
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: for Marco Rossi because like even then, like if you
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: even if you're trading next year's first for Marco Rossi,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: you can lottery protect it then like there's you know
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: what I mean, like you can do something with it
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: to ensure that you're not you know, getting yourself out
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: of the Gavin mckennel too early.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: And also I like the one the thing that I've
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: been beating on And I don't know if this would
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: actually happen, but in my mind it makes a lot
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: of sense. Is Owen Tippot for Marco Rossi? Straight up?
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Bill Garon hates Marco. He's he's obviously gettable.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Bill Garran, to quote Charlie O'Connor, is a size queen.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: And Owen Tippett is a big boy. He's a big
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: boy and he's fast, and like the ceiling on Owen
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Tippet I think is pretty high. Yeah, I'm after last season.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: It's not that I'm out on Owen Tippet, but at
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: this point he's a guy that, like if we're trading
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: him for something that we need, and we need high
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: end centers and Marcot Rossi is small, yes, but also
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: he's real good. Yeah, And the Flyers need really good
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: players before they need to be thinking about how big
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: they are, like they need to Yeah.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: God, what a trade that would be.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I'd do that in a heartbeat, I know, right, So,
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: like in my mind, I'm like, you know, maybe you
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: can get Bill Garran on the phone, be like, you know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Owen Tippet's large and fat. How do you like this?
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: They might probably be like, I love large and fast.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: So like I think that they could probably get Marko
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Rossi in a trade, so like I would like to
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: see them. I do want them to be aggressive. I
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: no longer think I want them to be aggressive in
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: the offer sheet market because of that first round pick.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I kind of I want them to hold on to it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: All right, very good. Well, as we're moving along with
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: the conversation here, Kelly, I also I wanted to talk
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: about It's not the biggest deal in the world, but
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the Flyers they did make officially a transaction during this
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: off season here by signing to a one year deal
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: center Rodrigo Ables for eight hundred thousand dollars. Certainly, again,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: it's not the biggest trans transaction in the world, but
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Danny Brier wanted to obviously have a serviceable fourth line
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: center in the pipeline if they needed, like they did
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: earlier this year. I'm wondering what are your thoughts on
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: this particular re signing here and what it could mean
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: for the team.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's exactly what you said. They
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: wanted to have some depth at center because it's still
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: a problem that needs solving. Yeah, and like we don't
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: know yet if he's going to be able to solve
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: it this summer. So you know, if they can't solve
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: it this summer through trade or through signing a free
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: agent or whatever, they're probably gonna need to call up
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: somebody from the Fantoms at some point. And enables I
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: think when he was up looked pretty good. He looked
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: no solid, solid bottom sixth center, And at this point,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: the Flyers can't have too much center depth because the
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: top end of the center pool is completely empty, right,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: So it's just like a little insurance move for a
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: guy that I think did a pretty pretty good job
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: when he was called upon, and so it's nice that
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: he's being rewarded with a new contract. I like him
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: sticking around if he's the guy that you're calling up
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: every time you need somebody at center, Like, I'm not
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: going to be mad about it. He looked pretty good.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right. Well it is again May fourteenth
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: here on this Wednesday, the we are recording this. The
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: NHL Draft is a little over a month away at
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: this point, so I do want to get into some
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: draft talk with you too. You know, last week on
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the show, my co host Eric and I we were
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: just talking about draft lotteries in general. Kelly just how
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I was mentioning just how I can't stand him anymore,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Like I just don't think they are I really don't
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: care for them. They don't seem to do what they
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: were really intended to do in terms of tanking and
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: all the I'm talking NBA draft lottery as well, even
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: though it worked out for the Sixers this past week.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: But you know, as we are looking towards this NHL
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Draft and what the Flyers are going to be doing,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: what Danny Breer and company are going to be doing
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: with that number six overall pick, and I think that's
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: why I was so initially upset last week. It's because
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: they had the technically the number four pick. They go
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: down to number six. Look if it's the Sixers and
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: the draft lottery and they move up to three, I'm
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of course happy about it, but honestly, it still stinks
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: in other ways for other teams. If I'm being an
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: objective sport fan here, we still again have more than
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: a month before they start making this first critical selection
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: of this draft. What are you hoping that Danny Breer
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: and company does with this first pick of the draft,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: because it's going to be so important, it's going to
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: be so critical.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, just like to be clear, I am not
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: a draft expert like you, Jeff. I have a full
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: time job. I do not have time to do a
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: whole lot of take of children playing hockey like I
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: just don't. So most of my opinions are based on
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: aggregating all of the information that I can find from
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: people who do have time to watch all of these people,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: including our own Charlie O'Connor. Yes, at this point, based
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: on what I've read and what I think the Flyers need,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: my hope is that James Hagen's falls to six and
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: they can take him, okay, he seems like a surefire
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: at least at least like second line guy, you know,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like for me, it doesn't seem like
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: there's very many sure things after those first two guys,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: after Misa and Schaeffer, all of the other guys seem
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: to have like a wide range of where they could
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: end up. Like a lot of them do have high
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: ceilings and if they hit, they'll be good. But then
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: those same guys also have like hmm, but they could
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: also you know, just be okay wingers whether you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: they can maybe just be middle six guys. And and
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: so I for me, the I hope that the flyers
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: just they don't reach. I don't want them to do
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: what they did with Jet. I don't think that this
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: is the place to like go totally off board and
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: do something wacky and you know, pick some guy that's
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: projected to go twelve with the sixth overall pick like
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: that seems crazy. I just hope, like, however, these first
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: five shakeout, I just hope they take that next guy
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: that's supposed to be the guy, whether that's Hagan's or
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Frondel or even if like martone falls that far, which
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: seems unlikely at this point. Like, I just want to
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: see them take the guy that gives them the best
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: possible chance to have a player that will be an
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: impact player. And I think James Hagen's to me, looks
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: like the most talented center that could probably end up
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: at six. That said, if he's not there, Charlie really
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: likes Joe O'Brien. He sounds like he's got pretty good upside,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: so that's that would be fine. I just don't I
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: don't want the guy that seems like, again the Flyers
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: move to make you know, pejoratively, it's this Brady Martin
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: kid who's apparently just like a big boy, smash kind
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: of guy, and that seems to be like the biggest
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: fear among Flyers people that pay attention to these draft things,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: that the Flyers will reach and take him with the
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: six overall pick, And I just don't want them to
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: do something like that, Like I don't think this is
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: the place. Like it's one thing to take a gamble
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: when you're picking twelve overall like they did last year.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: You trade down to thirteen, you take Jet Luchenko, maybe
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: something happens with six. I feel like you just you
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: gotta go with the guy that's probably going to be good, yes,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: and not reach for it. Like, if you want to
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: do something wacky, do something like trade a couple of
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: later picks to move up, do something wacky in the
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: you know, fourteen to fifteen range. Whatever, that's fine, right, Well,
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: like Charlie has been saying, I hate I'm always sealing
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Charlie's thoughts, but he's very smart.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: He is a smart boy.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been saying, like the dream would be for
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: them to be able to draft someone like Hagen's or
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: O'Brien with six overall, because that's kind of like a
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: as close to a sure thing as you're going to get, right,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: and then maybe a guy like McQueen falls to thirteen
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: fourteen because of the back issue and maybe you can
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: trade up, and like that's a giant chance that you're taking,
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: but it's a giant with like a huge upside if
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: it works out for you. Yeah, like that kind of
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: thing I would be okay with. It's not that I'm
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: against them taking swings. I just don't think you take
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: a big swing with six.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: You gotta be you gotta get something. Yes, that's thet
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: they just do that.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the point. You have to get something for
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the future here, like I get trying to take a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: swing and if you miss, it's a big, big miss
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: at this critical juncture where this team is at in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: terms of the restructuring. I'm tired of using the word rebuild,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: but just the restructuring of where this team needs to go.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: So uh, before I let you go, Kelly, I do
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: want to talk about, you know, the draft in terms
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: of the overall theme. And interestingly enough, this flyer shirt
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: that I'm wearing right here, believe it or not, the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: story behind this. I got this at the broad Street
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Hockey Party when Nolan Patrick was drafted, when.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: The Cursed Draft, the Cursed Draft.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Party, and it was the first time we all met
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: each other. And I think Bill Mattz actually threw me
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: this shirt for some rea amazing. I think he actually
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: just threw it at me here, Jeff, and I don't know.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I think I think that's what happened. Long story short,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: but I want to get into this draft from an
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: overall perspective again, because it is such an important time
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: in this Flyers era, this new era of this team
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: really trying to turn the corner here. When it's all
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: said and done, Kelly, what are you hoping the theme
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of this Flyer's draft is going to be, say, like
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the day after the draft or that week after the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: draft when we're all dissecting these picks. What are you
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: hoping the theme will inevitably be.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Well, since you mentioned it before I get into it,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: there will be another ninth annual Broschiet Hockey Draft party
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: h with our friends at PHLI. Details are going to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: be coming out in the next week or so. Probably
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: better not be.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: On vacation with my family again well twenty seventh. Yeah, yes, oh, I.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Know it is kind of prime vacation time, so I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: get it. But there will be another Broughcher Hockey Draft party.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: So if you are listening and you want to come
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: to that, just check out our socials on the PHL.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: So they are fun, folks. I've been to a few.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: They are fun. So again, it's fun.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: It's fun being in a room with a bunch of
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Flyers fans when the Flyers are doing stuff, you know
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: what I mean. It's way better than watching on your
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: couch absolutely. Any anyway, I'm kind of hoping. I'm kind
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: of hoping that just we get out of this draft
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: and like collectively as a fan base, we're feeling like
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: good and and whether that means good about the picks
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: that were made or if they make trades at the draft,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: we're happy about those. I just think that, like this
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: talkic decision is the first one that Danny Breyers had
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: to make that has that's definitely like a split opinion
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: on like, like, you know, there hasn't really been a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: lot that he's had to do that I think have
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: been like objectively like you can't look at it be bad,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Like you can't look at the Meach Cough pick and
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: be like that was terrible idea, Like that was just
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: objectively good. Like nothing that he's done so far has
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: been polarizing in any way.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Right, even the trades earlier, Like the trades were not
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: as polarizing.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: No, I think, you know, like some people really liked
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: Frost and Ferrabye. They seem to be very popular among
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: like younger fans, which is cool. So I know a
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: lot of people were upset, but I think a lot
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: of people but but but I don't think anyone looked
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: at them or were like, whoh, terrible idea. You're really
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: gonna regret that, you know what I mean? Like they
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: were they were moves that probably had to be made.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Freeing up the cap space was good, and I don't
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: think either one of those players is going to turn
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: out to be good enough that we're going to like
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: really regret it at the end of the day. This
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: talkic move, though, was the first one where people are
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: I think genuinely like some people really love it and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: some people really really hate it. And so I think
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: we're heading into this draft for the first time with
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Danny Brier's kind of like the opinion on him being
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit up in the air as far as
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: general managers go, because he hasn't given us a reason
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: and yet to not like what he's been doing. So
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: I just hope that we come out of this draft
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: without thinking like, really blew that, or Wow, can't believe
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: they did that, or Wow, that looks really stupid, Like
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: just like I want to, I want to head into
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: this offseason feeling like positive and optimistic, and I think
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: if they're able to, like obviously no one knows if
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: you nailed the draft pick for like five years, Like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: people pretend like people can pretend that they know with
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: certainty that zeb Buham is going to be better than Jeluchenko.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Nobody does. I don't know, you don't know. Nobody knows.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: We're not going to know for like three or four
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: years if that was a giant miss or not so far. Honestly,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: it's looking kind of even in my opinion, but anyway,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: so we're not really gonna know. But but there's gonna
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: be like a vibe, you know what I mean, Like
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: if they end up taking James Hagen's I think the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: overall the vibe is gonna be like cool, definitely got
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: a guy that's going to help the team if they
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: do so, I'm done like reach on Brady Martin because
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: he's a big Flyers guy. I think a lot of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: people are gonna be like, ooh, I.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Don't know, toilet memes thing.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just one of those things where then you're
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: gonna start having people like for so long. For so long,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: the vibes have been so negative around this team. I know,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: since Danny Breers come on, for the most part, they've
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: been pretty positive. And I would just like to see
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: that continue, because it's a lot more fun when people
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: are not miserable about hockey.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I'm just hoping that whatever trays are made, whatever picks
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: are made, there's no one that can look at them
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: and objectively be like this sucks. And I think they
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: can very easily come out of this without anybody thinking
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: that it sucked. And so like that's like it's very
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: low bar. That's really all I need from them. It's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: just don't don't mess it.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: Up, exactly, don't screw it up, Danny, come on, don't
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: screw it up. Great way to end this discussion. She
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: is Kelly Hinkle from Broadstreet Hockey dot Com. You can
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: also see her awesome discussions and faces over at phl
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Y when she's talking to our good friends. Yeah, she's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: talking to our good friends, Charlie O'Connor, Bill Mattz and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the crew over there as well. I know you are
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: on Blue Sky, my friend. Folks can search out Kelly
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Hinkle there. I know you're on Threads as well, and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: other places. There's too many. There's just too many anymore.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: That's a good choice place from time to time. But yeah, all.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Right, well we are gonna let you go, my friend.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time so very
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: much appreciate it, and uh, I hope you'll join us
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: at some point down the road.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: I always love doing it. Thank you, Jeff, and.
• 1:06:43
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